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 Kanluwen wrote:

 CryonicCenobyte wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Oh god heavy grav on troops, and phosphor

Ad Mech is is the "no saves allowed army"

Don't get your hopes up too much.

There is nothing on the poster that suggests there is some kind of CC variant servitor.

The Kataphron Battle Servitors come with Incendine Combustors(which can be upgraded to Heavy Phospher Blasters much like the Kastelan Robots can upgrade their carapace mount from an IC to HPB) and some kind of plasma cannon. While there definitely is a weapon that looks like it is grav from the distinctive look on the barrel(seen on the middle Battle Servitor), I have a hard time believing that there is some kind of "Heavy Arc Rifle" as they would have showcased it on the poster.

You're making assumptions based off those posters which contradict reliable information we have.

Just because Fulgurite Electro-priests and Corpuscarii Electro-priests were grouped together in one picture dubbed "Electro-priests" on the poster doesn't mean the dual-kit doesn't exist. It's 99.9% confirmed.

Logically it follows that Kataphron Breachers and Kataphron Destroyers have also been combined into the Kataphron Battle Servitors image. GW obviously just ran out of space on the poster to split up all the dual-kits.

They didn't run out of space. I have the poster. I can tell you right now that if they had wanted to, they could have done it.

It just would have necessitated removing the Knight from the back portion of the poster and having the Mechanicus on one side and the Skitarii on the other.

Except they probably wanted to keep all the AdMech stuff on one side.

Whatever the reason, the point is, we know that at least one of those units is actually a dual-kit despite being displayed only once. Which means I'm not going to reject highly plausible sounding rumours about the potential dual builds of the kataphrons and neither should you. None of the specific rumours about AdMech stuff have been wrong this entire season.

Captain Citadel wrote:
A new set of info is doing the rounds about the new tracked units in the upcoming Cult Mechanicus codex – The Kataphrons!


via Captain Citadel

Kataphron Destroyers

(Kataphron Breachers are their Assault based counterparts)

3+ Models per unit (55pts apiece)

W:2

Phosphor Blaster, Plasma Culverin, other weapon options



Holy Requisition Formation
1 Tech Priest Dominus

1-3 Kataphron Destroyers units

Formation can Deep Strike

Noice.

No one expects the Holy Inquisition Requisition!

Ouch lol

That joke made me wince.

 CryonicCenobyte wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 CryonicCenobyte wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Oh god heavy grav on troops, and phosphor

Ad Mech is is the "no saves allowed army"

Don't get your hopes up too much.

There is nothing on the poster that suggests there is some kind of CC variant servitor.

The Kataphron Battle Servitors come with Incendine Combustors(which can be upgraded to Heavy Phospher Blasters much like the Kastelan Robots can upgrade their carapace mount from an IC to HPB) and some kind of plasma cannon. While there definitely is a weapon that looks like it is grav from the distinctive look on the barrel(seen on the middle Battle Servitor), I have a hard time believing that there is some kind of "Heavy Arc Rifle" as they would have showcased it on the poster.

You're making assumptions based off those posters which contradict reliable information we have.

Just because Fulgurite Electro-priests and Corpuscarii Electro-priests were grouped together in one picture dubbed "Electro-priests" on the poster doesn't mean the dual-kit doesn't exist. It's 99.9% confirmed.

Logically it follows that Kataphron Breachers and Kataphron Destroyers have also been combined into the Kataphron Battle Servitors image. GW obviously just ran out of space on the poster to split up all the dual-kits.

They didn't run out of space. I have the poster. I can tell you right now that if they had wanted to, they could have done it.

It just would have necessitated removing the Knight from the back portion of the poster and having the Mechanicus on one side and the Skitarii on the other.

Except they probably wanted to keep all the AdMech stuff on one side.

Which they didn't. The actual army books and painting guides are on the reverse, with a Knight.

Like I said, it could have been done by removing the Knight and having a book on each side. As it stands--the Knight is by itself, with no sign of its army book, on the reverse.

Whatever the reason, the point is, we know that at least one of those units is actually a dual-kit despite being displayed only once. Which means I'm not going to reject highly plausible sounding rumours about the potential dual builds of the kataphrons and neither should you. None of the specific rumours about AdMech stuff have been wrong this entire season.

Oh, so I missed the rumored Praetorians?
The Tech-Priest on an Abeyant?

The rules for Legio Cybernetica in 40k?

There have been rumors that have been fairly specific for the Ad Mech, and they were wrong. It's a possibility that will crop up. Remember that this latest batch of rumors seem less like reliable sources and more like guesswork.

 Verviedi wrote:
That joke made me wince.

Thank you! I'll be here all day

But in all seriousness I remain fairly optimistic that GW will have the Electro-priests and Kataphrons as dual kits.

Seriously, if there's one thing GW loves more than Big kits, Eldar and Space Marines, it's dual kits.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Oh, so I missed the rumored Praetorians?

You mean the tracked heavily armed cybernetic constructs which some of us speculated would be Praetorians, since that's how they're described, but which GW decided to name Kataphrons because they have incompetent IP laywers?

The Tech-Priest on an Abeyant?

Where did this rumour come from, because I've only ever seen that as utter speculation.

The rules for Legio Cybernetica in 40k?

Did you miss the unit of Castellan robots?

There have been rumors that have been fairly specific for the Ad Mech, and they were wrong. It's a possibility that will crop up. Remember that this latest batch of rumors seem less like reliable sources and more like guesswork.

There are always rumours that are wrong, for every release. That doesn't justify the vehemence with which you're denying this specific rumour, especially considering A; the Kataphrons have been rumoured to be a dual-kit since before we knew they were called Kataphrons, by people who've been on the money about everything else so far, and B; his logic is bang on - we know Electropriests are a dual-kit, we've seen concept art in the teaser and Atia found redirects for them both before GW shut down that method, yet the poster only shows the CC variant.

It would be irrational for GW to make a non-dual kit infantry box. A dual kit boosts sales due to people buying multiples to create both units of infantry or vehicle.

Holy Requisition Formation
1 Tech Priest Dominus

1-3 Kataphron Destroyers units

Formation can Deep Strike

that's exactly what I want ! please be true

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Oh, so I missed the rumored Praetorians?

You mean the tracked heavily armed cybernetic constructs which some of us speculated would be Praetorians, since that's how they're described, but which GW decided to name Kataphrons because they have incompetent IP laywers?

Yeah, sure it's all about the "IP lawyers". It has nothing to do with the fact that maybe, just maybe, someone decided that following the old listings of stuff which were wildly broad and vague was a bad idea when actually creating the tabletop interpretations.

The Tech-Priest on an Abeyant?

Where did this rumour come from, because I've only ever seen that as utter speculation.

It came from another of these "anonymous sources" that Naftka/Bell of Lost Souls are so fond of.

If you can't figure out the point I'm making, which isn't to be "vehement"(that's you reading it as such, think of it more as a matter of fact tone or a bit of one with a laugh involved).

The rules for Legio Cybernetica in 40k?

Did you miss the unit of Castellan robots?

Kastelan*

And nope, I didn't. What you seemed to have missed however was that the rumors that started swarming around in regards to the Legio Cybernetica were throwing around Heresy armaments. Things like Volkite weaponry, for example, were rumored.

There have been rumors that have been fairly specific for the Ad Mech, and they were wrong. It's a possibility that will crop up. Remember that this latest batch of rumors seem less like reliable sources and more like guesswork.

There are always rumours that are wrong, for every release. That doesn't justify the vehemence with which you're denying this specific rumour, especially considering A; the Kataphrons have been rumoured to be a dual-kit since before we knew they were called Kataphrons, by people who've been on the money about everything else so far, and B; his logic is bang on - we know Electropriests are a dual-kit, we've seen concept art in the teaser and Atia found redirects for them both before GW shut down that method, yet the poster only shows the CC variant.

But y'see, that's the issue.

The people who have been "on the money about everything else so far" didn't even have all the specifics to the point where they would know the names of the Kataphrons. The Electro-Priests might have gotten two redirects, but have they been found for the Kataphrons?

And also, my biggest reason for pointing out the poster is it was not supposed to go out this past week. It was not supposed to go out until after the Mechanicus releases actually were done.


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 Verviedi wrote:
It would be irrational for GW to make a non-dual kit infantry box.

Harlequin Troupe box says "Sup".
Eldar Windrider Squadron says "Sup".

Harlequin Troupe in fact are the core infantry of the Harlequin book--and yet they only have a single Troops choice.
Windrider Squadron would have been PERFECT to dual kit with Shining Spears--but they didn't.

A dual kit boosts sales due to people buying multiples to create both units of infantry or vehicle.

That's not strictly true.

Dual kits make better sense for the limited shelf space of a store, they make sense in that it is easier for their store employees to walk a newcomer into an army or help someone with gift-buying, but the commonly touted thing of "boosting sales because people will buy more" isn't as true as some people seem to think about it.
There is a reason why your precious theoryhammering has become so widespread and it comes down to the fact that people are going to try to find the best way to spend their money. They're not going to buy three boxes of widgets and another three boxes of whosits to field three of each unit when they have a cap on the number of units they can field.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Yeah, sure it's all about the "IP lawyers". It has nothing to do with the fact that maybe, just maybe, someone decided that following the old listings of stuff which were wildly broad and vague was a bad idea when actually creating the tabletop interpretations.

Nah Kan I'm pretty sure it was because you can a ™ after Kataphrons and can't after Praetorians.

There's also already another unit called Praetorians.

Not that that's stopped them before...

They seem very fond of the name Rangers, for example...

Warriors also..

I think they must be playing AD&D between games

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
There's also already another unit called Praetorians.

True, I forgot about the Necron unit. Honestly, about this whole dual/kit or no, all we can do is wait for further leaks. The faeit rumors will be proven true/false in time.

 Ascalam wrote:
Not that that's stopped them before...

They seem very fond of the name Rangers, for example...

Warriors also..

I think they must be playing AD&D between games

Probably 4th ed from all the stupidity

migooo wrote:

 Ascalam wrote:
Not that that's stopped them before...

They seem very fond of the name Rangers, for example...

Warriors also..

I think they must be playing AD&D between games

Probably 4th ed from all the stupidity

Definitely not. 4th ed was balanced and fair to the point of utter boredom with everything playing the same in slow motion. That is nothing like the mess that 40k is in and digging itself deeper into as the months go by. Current 40k is like a bad 3e d20 supplement line by a 3PP that makes you wonder why the hell you'd ever use anything from the PHB.

 warboss wrote:

migooo wrote:

 Ascalam wrote:
Not that that's stopped them before...

They seem very fond of the name Rangers, for example...

Warriors also..

I think they must be playing AD&D between games

Probably 4th ed from all the stupidity

Definitely not. 4th ed was balanced and fair to the point of utter boredom with everything playing the same. That is nothing like the mess that 40k is in and digging itself deeper into as the months go by. Current 40k is like a bad 3e d20 supplement line by a 3PP that makes you wonder why the hell you'd ever use anything from the PHB.

You know I loved 3.5 but forth as you said was well as you perfectly described.

3rd was lacking certainly.

4th just felt babied beyond belief.

I did have an idea where a warforged turned up on an admech cruiser though.

But back to the topic at hand. There's a fantastic guide on here for weathering that I plan to use for my bots

 Kanluwen wrote:
-snip- Naftka/Bell of Lost Souls -snip-

Oh sorry, I had thought we were seriously discussing this, seems you're just having another flare-up of your Contrarianitis.

 RedFox wrote:

Holy Requisition Formation
1 Tech Priest Dominus

1-3 Kataphron Destroyers units

Formation can Deep Strike

that's exactly what I want ! please be true

who needs drop pods!

 Exergy wrote:

 RedFox wrote:

Holy Requisition Formation
1 Tech Priest Dominus

1-3 Kataphron Destroyers units

Formation can Deep Strike

that's exactly what I want ! please be true

who needs drop pods!

Seriously... this is so fluffy it tickles my soft underbelly! While the Skitarii march tirelessly across a world to find their objective, once it is located, the Techpriest and big guns just teleport down and bring the pain. Awesomesauce.

Holy Requisition Techman!

Have these been posted?

Edit: Yes. Spoilering to avoid wasted time...

Yes.

The little dude in the middle looks so dope. What is he a tech preist?

 Wilson wrote:
The little dude in the middle looks so dope. What is he a tech preist?

Datasmith. He has a pistol that shoots Gamma Rays.
Str6 AP2 Armorbane.

He has a 2+ save and T4.

 Verviedi wrote:

 Wilson wrote:
The little dude in the middle looks so dope. What is he a tech preist?

Datasmith. He has a pistol that shoots Gamma Rays.
Str6 AP2 Armorbane.

He has a 2+ save and T4.

Nice, cheers mate! Shame its walking with mc's.

 Wilson wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:

 Wilson wrote:
The little dude in the middle looks so dope. What is he a tech preist?

Datasmith. He has a pistol that shoots Gamma Rays.
Str6 AP2 Armorbane.

He has a 2+ save and T4.

Nice, cheers mate! Shame its walking with mc's.

Quite the bodyguard, and comes with a majority toughness of 7 and FNP to that 2+ armour.

 Verviedi wrote:

 Wilson wrote:
The little dude in the middle looks so dope. What is he a tech preist?

Datasmith. He has a pistol that shoots Gamma Rays.
Str6 AP2 Armorbane.

He has a 2+ save and T4.

That is odd. Something that shoots gamma rays (that require the most shielding compared to alpha/beta) should be ap2 but fleshbane, not armorbane. Eh, no big deal.

 warboss wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:

 Wilson wrote:
The little dude in the middle looks so dope. What is he a tech preist?

Datasmith. He has a pistol that shoots Gamma Rays.
Str6 AP2 Armorbane.

He has a 2+ save and T4.

That is odd. Something that shoots gamma rays (that require the most shielding compared to alpha/beta) should be ap2 but fleshbane, not armorbane. Eh, no big deal.

From the fluffy description, the gamma radiation is a by-product of the ionised whatchamawhosit.

The pistol is described as being able to "cut a hole in an Aquila Strongpoint".