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Hi everyone,

ok I was just interested what your opinions were on best pieces and why, it doesn't have to be one thing it could be a number of things inc characters, squads and vehicles.

Im still opening up to game specifics and for the most time I was just collecting from a hobby point of view. Im trying to understand strengths and weaknesses and pretty much everything in between to get a better understanding with what a chapters power consists of.

So far my Blood Angels are pretty stock in terms of what I have. I was thinking moving more into the Death Company set I don't know maybe because I keep hearing their badass

Ok so anyways.....please fire your opinions and why - I know the title says space marines but it can be anything from any race really.

Anticipate hearing all your thoughts

Favourite infantry unit: Either tactical squad or Sternguard vets. Both are versatile and durable, can be kitted for almost any role, and are very fun to build and paint.

Favourite vehicle: Probably the drop pod, as it gives you unmatched freedom in deployment and counter-deployment.

Favourite character: Captain with Teeth of Terra, Primarch's Wrath and Armour Indomitus. Fighty, shooty and hugely expensive!

I love my DA veterans. They're not that great from what I've heard (they do alright when I use them!), but I really love those robes and hoods

Great stuff

Apart from Mephiston from the blood angels, can anyone else tell me who else from any other chapter has these super high powers that this guy has?

possibly marneus calgar, hes just a massive terminator bowling ball with two power fists and he gets his own body guards with power axes, so he big killy shooty scary and is so good he has a squad of Honor guards. I dont even play ultras i play DA but i have to hand it to them hes good

 kerikhaos wrote:
Great stuff

Apart from Mephiston from the blood angels, can anyone else tell me who else from any other chapter has these super high powers that this guy has?

In terms of pure stats, No SM character comes close to matching Mephy. Cassius matches him for toughness, and that's it. However, there are a few that could probably beat him in a fight. If Tigurius or Eizekel could get a wound through his 2+, they could Force Weapon him to death. Lysander, Calgar, Logan and Belial could probably beat him down over time, as his lack of invuln and AP3 means that Termie characters with high-S/low AP weapons can deal with him.

Going heretic, Abbadon and Typhus would stand a chance as well, for the above reason.

 Paradigm wrote:

 kerikhaos wrote:
Great stuff

Apart from Mephiston from the blood angels, can anyone else tell me who else from any other chapter has these super high powers that this guy has?

In terms of pure stats, No SM character comes close to matching Mephy. Cassius matches him for toughness, and that's it. However, there are a few that could probably beat him in a fight. If Tigurius or Eizekel could get a wound through his 2+, they could Force Weapon him to death. Lysander, Calgar, Logan and Belial could probably beat him down over time, as his lack of invuln and AP3 means that Termie characters with high-S/low AP weapons can deal with him.

Going heretic, Abbadon and Typhus would stand a chance as well, for the above reason.

wow, pretty detailed break down - thanks for that. So its pretty safe to say then that Mephiston is a hard ass legend in the game or at least one of. In terms of points though - is his worth in points much higher than other special characters of near to equal power?

I just hope I will be able to paint him as good as this mini

Mephy is, at the moment, a subject of a lot of debate. Rather than getting bogged down in that, I'l give you a breakdown of what he can do and where the risks are.

What he can do:
- Bully anything with 3+ or worse armour. Against the likes of any kind of Space Marine or any Necrons/tau, he can still tear stuff up.

- He is great for threat overload. With Wings of Sanguinis, he's fast, so the enemy has to deal with him, diverting a lot of firepower or ignoring him and letting him kill stuff. Especially if you make a big deal about his MC-level stats, people are going to want to focus a lot for firepower on him.

- With S10 (with Sanguine Swords) and a good number of attacks, he tears tanks a new one.

What he should avoid:
- AP2: anything that can throw out a lot of AP2 attacking in CC or shooting should be given a wide berth, as something like a plasma IG vet squad or a unit of Terminators could take him out pretty easily.

- 2+ saves are also a problem, so resist the urge to send him up against enemy HQs in 2+ armour or Terminators and the like, as his damage output will be hugely reduced.

That just about covers it.

As for 'is he worth the points', I don't know. BA already pay more than SM for a lot of things, so dropping 250 points on one model may be a bit over the top. However, against targets which he can handle, he excels.

He's also exceptionally cool as a character, so that's as good a reason as any to take him.

 Paradigm wrote:

 kerikhaos wrote:
Great stuff

Apart from Mephiston from the blood angels, can anyone else tell me who else from any other chapter has these super high powers that this guy has?

In terms of pure stats, No SM character comes close to matching Mephy. Cassius matches him for toughness, and that's it. However, there are a few that could probably beat him in a fight. If Tigurius or Eizekel could get a wound through his 2+, they could Force Weapon him to death. Lysander, Calgar, Logan and Belial could probably beat him down over time, as his lack of invuln and AP3 means that Termie characters with high-S/low AP weapons can deal with him.

Going heretic, Abbadon and Typhus would stand a chance as well, for the above reason.

Abaddon would beat Mephiston every time without contest. Typhus would probably win most of the time, as all he needs to do is weather one round of attacks and get one wound through to force weapon him, and with a S6 daemon weapon that's not hard to do.


Anyways, my favorite character is a Khorne Lord on a Juggernaut. Anything that is not S10 is toast against him.

herpguy wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:

 kerikhaos wrote:
Great stuff

Apart from Mephiston from the blood angels, can anyone else tell me who else from any other chapter has these super high powers that this guy has?

In terms of pure stats, No SM character comes close to matching Mephy. Cassius matches him for toughness, and that's it. However, there are a few that could probably beat him in a fight. If Tigurius or Eizekel could get a wound through his 2+, they could Force Weapon him to death. Lysander, Calgar, Logan and Belial could probably beat him down over time, as his lack of invuln and AP3 means that Termie characters with high-S/low AP weapons can deal with him.

Going heretic, Abbadon and Typhus would stand a chance as well, for the above reason.

Abaddon would beat Mephiston every time without contest. Typhus would probably win most of the time, as all he needs to do is weather one round of attacks and get one wound through to force weapon him, and with a S6 daemon weapon that's not hard to do.


Anyways, my favorite character is a Khorne Lord on a Juggernaut. Anything that is not S10 is toast against him.

Thanks for that and to you paradigm for the details. I will have to go look into abaddon and Typhis to see why these guys are even bigger badasses than Mephiston but non the less Mephiston is up there with the few high powered dudes then that's fine with me. What about that sanguinor guy? Examplar of the host? Why is this guy no souped up since I keep hearing loads of things about this random on and off character

The Sanguinor is generally regarded as rather overpriced due to the fact he lacks the ability to join a squad, has an AP3 weapon and goes down pretty easily to small arms.

However, as a character assassin for enemies in 3+ or worse armour, or something to run interference among squads, he's pretty neat. His ability to buff a sarge to almost-HQ levels is nice too.

Generally, though, he ends up suffering from being in the BA codex, where you just can't afford to drop that much on a single model without gutting your list. In a vacuum, he's fine, and the model is amazing, but he's just a little too expensive in the codex as a whole.

Abbadon will beat him as he can beat almost anything in the game, with only Swarmlord (I'm assuming he's still awesome under the new codex) and Ghazkull on a Waaagh! able to really rival him. AP2 weapons, Eternal Warrior, awesome stats across the board and a ton of attacks make him one of the kings of close combat.

Typhus would take him as he has an AP2 force weapon, so just has to take Mehpy's first round of attacks before tapping him with the scythe and instakilling him. Mephiston lacking Eternal Warrior here hurts a lot.

My favourite character is Chaplain Cassius, he's just a badass.
My favourite infantry unit is Sternguard, I max them out with combi-flamers and heavy flamers.
My favourite vehicle is the Land Raider Redeemer.

My favourite HQ is Khârn the Betrayer. Squishy, but if he gets the charge he makes a horrible mess out of anything he gets in combat with, up to and including Land Raiders. Only Invulnerable Saves can stop him once he's begun chopping.

My favourite infantry unit is Khorne Chosen. Again, squishy, but with the right upgrades and accompanying Khârn they put out 5 S5 attacks each with rerolls to hit on the charge, absolutely butchering anything less than MCs or Terminators.

My favourite vehicle is my Vindicator.

 Paradigm wrote:
The Sanguinor is generally regarded as rather overpriced due to the fact he lacks the ability to join a squad, has an AP3 weapon and goes down pretty easily to small arms.

However, as a character assassin for enemies in 3+ or worse armour, or something to run interference among squads, he's pretty neat. His ability to buff a sarge to almost-HQ levels is nice too.

Generally, though, he ends up suffering from being in the BA codex, where you just can't afford to drop that much on a single model without gutting your list. In a vacuum, he's fine, and the model is amazing, but he's just a little too expensive in the codex as a whole.

Abbadon will beat him as he can beat almost anything in the game, with only Swarmlord (I'm assuming he's still awesome under the new codex) and Ghazkull on a Waaagh! able to really rival him. AP2 weapons, Eternal Warrior, awesome stats across the board and a ton of attacks make him one of the kings of close combat.

Typhus would take him as he has an AP2 force weapon, so just has to take Mehpy's first round of attacks before tapping him with the scythe and instakilling him. Mephiston lacking Eternal Warrior here hurts a lot.

Mephiston has the same problems as Sanguinor as far as being overpriced is concerned. Sanguinor has the benefit of a 3++ save and Eternal Warrior in his favor though. To be honest most of the BA characters are in need of an update, that's just part of being from a codex of a previous edition.

My favourite HQ has to be Chaplain Grimaldus & Retinue because he's awesome and his boosts to near by troops is very handy.
My favourite Squad would be Vanguard Veterans, with TH/SS and with there jump packs, they are much better that terminators with there manoeuvrability there can pick there targets, and are even better in a storm raven gunship.
My favourite vehicle has to be the crusader, due to it's high capacity and good weapons and armour, it a beast when it comes to transport.

Character: Captain Titus. He seemed very humble and human for an Astartes of his position.

Vehicle: The Rhino. That goofy looking box is such a classic vehicle that I would say it is the face of 40k tanks.

Squad: Assault Squad because the Space Marine game made jump packs look so awesome.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Character: Captain Titus. He seemed very humble and human for an Astartes of his position.

Vehicle: The Rhino. That goofy looking box is such a classic vehicle that I would say it is the face of 40k tanks.

Squad: Assault Squad because the Space Marine game made jump packs look so awesome.

When you see that game, you'd think it'll do a bit more than a S4 AP- hit.

Just look at what happens when you assault jump into a group of cultists.

Favorite character is st. Celestine. When I have her with my Seraphim they always kick butt. She's a beast. (for her points)
Favorite troop is the humble SM tac squad. They're my favorite models to put together.
Favorite vehicle is the Exorcist. This is a vehicle with character. I don't like the actual model so I use mural-painted Whirlwinds, but I love how this thing performs. If every unit in my army earned its points back like my Exo's I'd be a tournament champion and I don't even go to tournaments.

Characters-wolf guard with cyclone, rune priest with divination
Squads-long fangs+5 ml

combine together=7 ml with fire control, prescience/ignores cover/4+ invun and termie 2+ tanking for everyone.

Chaplains.

Nothing like an insanely devout follower of the Emperor who spews forth litanies of hate and retribution. A Marine who basks in pure close combat fury and death.

Saddens me that their current stats do not reflect this...

A simple Chaplain...armed with nothing more that his Crozium and bolt pistol should be force of doom...

Fluff wise, Dante is a total boss. But in the game, he's a stinking turd. KHAAAAAAAAAAAN!

Thanks for replies. Very interesting that typhus and abbaddon keep popping up as super characters. I guess it has something to do with the powers of chaos being that much stronger than other races. I'm going to check up on these characters to broaden my literature on the subject.

Keep them opinions flowing.

How about lemartes? What kind of special dude is he. Keeper of the lost or something?

I find Lemartes to be a great character, but he is also overpriced right now. The problem with Lemartes is that he automatically comes with a jump pack, so if you want to utilize the jump pack's movement you have to give the rest of his squad jump packs which can raise his true cost quite a bit.

Death Company units in general hit like a freight train in 6th edition, but they can get expensive fast.

 Orblivion wrote:
I find Lemartes to be a great character, but he is also overpriced right now. The problem with Lemartes is that he automatically comes with a jump pack, so if you want to utilize the jump pack's movement you have to give the rest of his squad jump packs which can raise his true cost quite a bit.

Death Company units in general hit like a freight train in 6th edition, but they can get expensive fast.

when you say the rest of his squad you mean that if they arent assault marines already then I will need to upgrade them to assault marines with jump packs otherwise hes a pointless character? hmmmmm

by the way is this abaddon and Typhus? So if they are they are both chaos marines.......makes this interesting since these characters are above all other primarch or special HQ characters

kerikhaos wrote:by the way is this abaddon and Typhus? So if they are they are both chaos marines.......makes this interesting since these characters are above all other primarch or special HQ characters

What makes you think that is true?

 kerikhaos wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:
I find Lemartes to be a great character, but he is also overpriced right now. The problem with Lemartes is that he automatically comes with a jump pack, so if you want to utilize the jump pack's movement you have to give the rest of his squad jump packs which can raise his true cost quite a bit.

Death Company units in general hit like a freight train in 6th edition, but they can get expensive fast.

when you say the rest of his squad you mean that if they arent assault marines already then I will need to upgrade them to assault marines with jump packs otherwise hes a pointless character? hmmmmm

Lemartes is not an independent character, he can't join squads. He can only be purchased as an upgrade for a Death Company squad, and they have to pay extra for jump packs.

EDIT: And really you don't have to give the rest of his squad jump packs, he'll work perfectly fine in a squad of footsloggers. But if you want him to be able to utilize the jump pack's movement then the rest of the squad has to have them as well.

Character - Astorath. His fluff/model is as cool/grimdark as it gets. Love it!

Squad - Vanguard Vets. Everybody hates on them, but again, the models are bad in the ass department. Run em as BA and they either get to assault out of DS or get a 5+ FNP and FC from your priest. When they hit, it hurts!

Vehicle - Storm Talon. Its cheap and I have an unhealthy fixation on assault cannons. Also it looks (to me) like a giant, flying pirhana. Is that alone not reason enough?

BA Vanguards literally can't do enough damage to justify their cost.