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Not gonna lie, I think the new Dataslate for helbrutes is pretty cool. I cant find any additional points costs for the formations anywhere so if someone could let me know that would be awesome.

1 is a group of 3 indepenent helbrutes that get to deepstrike and have IWND, one roll on the crazed table for the entire formation.
1 is a helbrute with two units of cultists - While the helbrute is alive the cultists have fearless, if it dies they get zealot. If the helbrute gets cover from cultists its save is a 3+, however for each save a cultist dies.
the last is a unit of 5 helbrutes - There is a alpha helbrute that is a character. If there is a rage marker you get to choose the result

These are just the main parts of the rules but I like them a lot. The thought of an almost all helbrutes and cultist army sounds like a lot of fun.

Honestly I see a use for all of these formations, I think they really help with a lot of the helbrutes issues. The 5 man pack with controlled rage responses or the granting of fearless to cultist units without having to take typhus(so your cultists can still run to try and get to those objectives). Not to mention the deep striking unit of them(back armor, or just a CC presence) that gain IWND

Any other thoughs

R the helbrute scoring units?

 Filch wrote:
R the helbrute scoring units?

No, they still count as Elites even though they exist in a detachment outside of your usual FOC.

I love that they are making them kind of useful. The deepstrike seems really useful, the cult and 5squad seems fun.

1500 gunline? Lol.

Sorc, ml3, relic to give div
Sorc, ml3

Cultists x35, 1 stubber
Cultists x35

Aegis, quadgun

5 Helbrute formation, all missile launcher and TW lasgun

Put everything behind the aegis, buff helbrutes with sorcs, use cultists as wounds for the sorcs. Choose to fire twice and not move with the helbrutes (10 tw lasguns shots, 10 missles).

You have a decent idea there up to "Choose to fire twice and not move the Helbrutes". That's where it breaks down for two reasons:

1) That rule only effects models in the formation who have become Crazed.
2) That shooting rule requires you to shoot something that's already shot you and glanced/penned you in the last turn. Great when you have choices because multiple units did that, not so great when a lone Predator does it.

The Deepstriking one seems most usefull even though Murdersquad or whatever it's called sounds the most awesome of awesomeness.

Murder

Squad

The 1-3 that has Deep Strike and It will not die so that's kind of awesome.

For someone with three helbrutes, this is awesome news and I will be getting that data slate for some deep striking 'brutes.

Do it!! Got the slate and it's goooood. (at least for dreads). planning to use the three deepstrikers bare bones to cause hel behind there lines while the rest gets into range to wreck face. There also useful for my deamons as they lack ranged AT and I don't like the flying circus type lists.

I'm trying to think of an optimal load out for a mayhem pack. I'm thinking MM/ML or two power fists with a heavy flamer. Thoughts?

Power Fist w/ Flamer and Multi-Melta strikes me as the best option for them. They want to land close and start wrecking things and this keeps them from being completely scewed if they get glanced/penned and fire frenzy (as they have to shot whomever shot them) so it's likely the most balanced load out.

Alternatively ML/PowerFist w' Heavy Flamer so you can have more templatey goodness as needed (less great at killing tanks though).

Where can I find these said Dataslates? I cant seem to find them on the GW site.


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NVM Found them! ^_^

Are the cultist in the helcult formation count as scoring?

they are still troops choices, so yes.


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you can find the slate on the black library site in the digital releases section if you look hard enough (took me 3 trys to find it..)

I think there are great possibilities with this new dataslate. I ve already thought about using these beasts for some competitive play. The helcult and mayhem particularly are very good. I think they will make the difference. Btw the cultists are scoring as in their profile in the slate are troops, so...

Played against this this weekend with my orks. I must say, having 3 helbrutes drop in the back field is deff scary.

FINALLY!

I've wanted to run 3 helbrutes with 2 heavy flamers each for so long and now I can deep strike them in. Awesome.

 zammerak wrote:
Played against this this weekend with my orks. I must say, having 3 helbrutes drop in the back field is deff scary.

What was the outcome?

Captyn_Bob wrote:
you can find the slate on the black library site in the digital releases section if you look hard enough (took me 3 trys to find it..)

If you use the Search box you can find it in one try.

I ended up glancing 2 of them to death with my lootas and crushed the other one with my biker nobs and warboss pk combo. They did kill one squad of lootas, my 3 cannons and 3 lobbas in the backfield

I recently played a 1000 pt game and used the helcult formation, 40 fearless cultists with hatred and pistol ccw was decimating some tyrannid warriors and guants. I have to say that that is one of my favorite so far as fearless cultists along with a survivable helbrute makes for some hilarious charges.

Still what leaves Helcult out of competitive builds is mainly that most armies ignore cover so the dread will be doomed easily.
What needs testing is Mayhem and squadron formation.

Helcult is still fine; even if the Helbrute dies, its cultists still stay fearless since they gain the Zealot (fearless & hatred) USR.
Which makes for even more hilarious charges. That many dice re-rolling to hit first turn?!

And when you say most armies ignore cover, avedominusnox, you really only mean Eldar and Tau.

Sounds like the Mayhem Pack worked great against those Orks though, taking out their backfield big guns and tying up some fire/nobs for a turn or two. Exactly what they should be accomplishing!

The formation with 5 Brutes, the Alpha brute is a character so it can issue, accept and deny challenges, it also got a 5++ save and it can LoS.

I played Mayhem pack vs (my) Orks a few days back, lending them to a new player to try out the game.

They didn't really do anything. However, it was facing green tide. Plus they had a possessed 'deathstar' holding them back

 Laughingcarp wrote:
Helcult is still fine; even if the Helbrute dies, its cultists still stay fearless since they gain the Zealot (fearless & hatred) USR.
Which makes for even more hilarious charges. That many dice re-rolling to hit first turn?!

And when you say most armies ignore cover, avedominusnox, you really only mean Eldar and Tau.

Sounds like the Mayhem Pack worked great against those Orks though, taking out their backfield big guns and tying up some fire/nobs for a turn or two. Exactly what they should be accomplishing!

I would love to field all the formations in friendly games but in tourneys I always see people spam tau/eldar and don't forget that through necron tesla spam helbrute swill glance to death. But I really feel something about Mayhem. I believe that with careful play and positioning it can do something different. As a CSM and CD player I strongly believe that it can do a difference by offering great anti-tank value on daemons.

Does the Helbrute dataslate have any "fluff" or is it just the rules?

 sub-zero wrote:
Does the Helbrute dataslate have any "fluff" or is it just the rules?

Plenty, it is some of the most interesting fluff I've seen yet, and does very well. My favorite has to be the ending story, an Iron Warrior gone insane but only desiring death, angry at those unable to kill him, it's actually well done.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 sub-zero wrote:
Does the Helbrute dataslate have any "fluff" or is it just the rules?

Plenty, it is some of the most interesting fluff I've seen yet, and does very well. My favorite has to be the ending story, an Iron Warrior gone insane but only desiring death, angry at those unable to kill him, it's actually well done.

Am I detecting sarcasm??? LOL

no, actually. zebio's right, it's a good short story. I wouldn't say there's a "lot" of fluff (the data slate isn't all that big), but the quality of what's there is pretty good.

Yeah I have to agree I was actually surprised at how good the fluff is. It really explains what makes Helbruted different from loyalist dreadnoughts.