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dienekes96 wrote:Tau - 2005
Necrons - 2002
Tyranid - 2005

Space Wolves - 2000

1) Space Wolves were the VERY first Codex (1994). Ever. They have been updated once. In 2000.

2) SW are the only Codex that requires the purchase of an additional book to field. Which is still better than a WD army like the poor BA.

3) Since 2000, only TWO "non-Codex" SM Codicies have been released. In the last 9 years. TWO.

3a) 2005 - BT
3b) 2007 - DA

So please, ONE Space Wolf thread without people whining about the Space Wolves getting an update after NINE years of waiting. That would be great.

To those members that still feel the need to whine about an army getting an update after nine years, a pre-emptive "you are a douche".

i was going to mention this last night, but i passed out before i could finish typing it, woke up this morning and found your post

bravo!

Demogerg wrote:
i was going to mention this last night, but i passed out before i could finish typing it, woke up this morning and found your post

bravo!

True Space Wolf fan.

First off I want to say that all those people saying the Space Wolf book came out 9 years ago, you have your facts wrong. I know this because I remember the Space Wolf Codex came out when I was in grad school, I remember it well.

So that can't be nine years ago.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:First off I want to say that all those people saying the Space Wolf book came out 9 years ago, you have your facts wrong. I know this because I remember the Space Wolf Codex came out when I was in grad school, I remember it well.

So that can't be nine years ago.

Go look at the codex. the copyright on it is 2000. so maybe early 2001 at the earliest but not any later then that.

dashrendar wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:First off I want to say that all those people saying the Space Wolf book came out 9 years ago, you have your facts wrong. I know this because I remember the Space Wolf Codex came out when I was in grad school, I remember it well.

So that can't be nine years ago.

Go look at the codex. the copyright on it is 2000. so maybe early 2001 at the earliest but not any later then that.

I think KK is more responding to the fact that, surely, he can't be that old. He's just feeling his age.

Wow...another codex for the imperium.

So iirc its been SM, Guard then everyone thinks SW? I understand generic SM and Guard but what I dont get is why there hasn't been a xenos release since 5th edition (imo Orks are 4th/5th but more 5th). Don't get me wrong I would love to see SW back on the shelves and the do need a new dex and I understand the resons persented for the update. I just figured GW would switch it up and not have 3 Human/Imperium dex's in a row. Plus it kills the idea of an Angels of Death codex i was hoping for (SW, BA, BT, DA in one dex). I just hope that GW doesn't drop the ball like they did with DA.

Like I've said before, I think it wouldn't be that difficult to just do all codexes at the same time when a new edition comes around.

great to hear that. its the one chapter ive followed since i started.

I just want to see squats and genestealer squats come back.

They are the only marines I have ever played. I still have the WhiteDwarf were they did a codex preview chapter approved article. Issue 231, April 1999! Looking forward to this one.

Everyone is always crying about Xenos. It is not like before the SM dex the releases were Demons and Orks.

The Dark Elder were scheduled to be released earlier, and that would have spread out the Imperial releases, but it took longer to do than they thought because they have to completely re-do the entire line of minis, so it got pushed back some.

The Dark Eldar and Space Wolves codexes are the oldest and need to be re-done, and they are the next ones to be released after IG, so people just need to deal with that.

If it makes you feel any better, we should not see another Imperial codex for a while.

The point that all the imperial hate comes from is around the time they added black templars, demon hunters and witch hunters, and redid chaos and gaurd. It left a lot of xenos players feeling pretty second string.

If Phil writes it, it's always good. He displays that sort of balance that none of the others could hope to achieve.

A monkey would've done better than Robin. He makes Thorpe blush.

Well, isn't he the Newbie at Games Dev? If so, we should be nice to him.

Really?

Why?

I suppose a case could be made to criticize the 'editor' instead, but really....

Nofasse 'Eadhunta wrote:If Phil writes it, it's always good. He displays that sort of balance that none of the others could hope to achieve.

Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!

Good one. You should become a comedian!

Vladsimpaler wrote:

Nofasse 'Eadhunta wrote:If Phil writes it, it's always good. He displays that sort of balance that none of the others could hope to achieve.

Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!

Good one. You should become a comedian!

im so funni i no rite

Again:

RELEASE THEM AT THE SAME TIME SO ALL THE RULES ARE CONSISTENT AND EVERYTHING IS IN BALANCE!

As a xenos player, I feel second string because of all the rules changes that have directly affected, in some cases, the very heart of the army (i.e. fearless=2x more gaunts dead). But I can't whine more than necron or D.E. players. I think we should whine as one and get them to stop this idiotic system of game development.

Codex releases since SW got updated in 2000:

Craftworld Eldar 2000
Tyranids (x2) 2001, 2005
Tau (x2) 2001, 2006
Necrons 2002
CSM (x2) 2002, 2007
Daemonhunters 2003
IG 2003
Witchhunters 2004
Space Marines (x2) 2004, 2008
Black Templars 2005
Eldar 2006
Dark Angels 2007
Orks 2008
Chaos Daemons 2008

I don't care about Xenos/Imperium "splits". I don't play SM or CSM or IG or Daemonhunters. I play Space Wolves.

But if I did care:
Imperium - 7
Xenos - 8
Chaos - 3

So again, I want a new Codex for "my" army. More to the point, I want new models. The ONLY Xenos race that did not get at least a SINGLE release since SW was released is DE (they did get an update in 2003, but I don't count that). Some got two releases. And the DE are getting a full re-do by Jes Goodwin, so I think that is worth the wait, so no sympathy from me.

So when you back away from the whining, actual data (such as releases and dates) is your friend.

And GruntfC, they can't release them all at once. Besides the burden on developers, their business model isn't set up for that.

These days the tables are much more even with regard to xenos/imperial scum, I'll freely admit. I'm just talking about where the sentiment comes from originally. Back then I would have agreed with it.
I'm against seperate marine codices too, but at this stage I know they're happening anyway, and Space Wolves justify their own book far more than Blood Angels or Dark Angels, so I say fine, go ahead.

I like it. Thats all I have to say to this thread.

Well said brother dienekes96, I concur wholeheartedly!

BDJV wrote:Well said brother dienekes96, I concur wholeheartedly!

I agree too, Im sure well get both a space wolf codex and a dark eldar codex this year, and if phil and jes are writing them then they will be excellent! So with a bit of patience and plenty of hype over them im sure theyl be well recieved by both sets of fans?

on the other hand a got a sneaky look at the imp guard codex yesterday and boy is it thin?

bob

This sounds good. If it's really happening this year, I may augment my Deathwing terminator army with a "counts as" space wolves army with an asian theme.

I play only Space Wolves too as my Space Marine army.

A lot of the kids don’t know this, but the Space Wolves were very good (a lot of people say way overpowered) in 3rd edition, but in 4th edition they were weak as kittens.

I remember back in 2004-2005 they were alternating SM codexes with Xenos codexes and they were going to put out one a year. I remember getting upset because at that rate, would have to wait all the way until 2008 to get a new codex. Looking back, boy was I an optimist.

I never realised the wolves had so few codexs.

Oh well treat 'em mean keep 'em keen.

I remember playing against them in 3rd ed and they were horribly unstoppable (granted however I played Tau)

Not played against them recently so can't comment on them under new rules.

While I fully understand why people would want an updated codex, I don't get why the differing chapters need their own dex? Could they not have put enough into the SM dex to suit all chapters? Its not like they don’t have enough RACES and ARMIES to support without splitting them into factions!

By maintaining this methodology in the long run you just piss people off more!

Let me explain, so it’s been 9 years.... ok, say they get a new dex, Yay Wolvies! So what happens with 6th Ed comes out (say in 3 years? Maybve less?) then 7th Ed (maybe 7 years?) and you still don't got another update... guess who's going to be bitching then!

If they combined them into the main Marine Dex you'd be guaranteed to get an update when the marine dex updates, which will be every edition of the rules.

And while I fully look forwards to lots of cool fluff, pretty artwork and tasty figures, I’m not looking forwards to facing new grey and furry cheese (The beards I can stand) which is what’s going to happen when you try and make a “balanced” character full army!

Then again, as has been said before “They are in the business of selling figures, not making balanced rules”

dashrendar wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:First off I want to say that all those people saying the Space Wolf book came out 9 years ago, you have your facts wrong. I know this because I remember the Space Wolf Codex came out when I was in grad school, I remember it well.

So that can't be nine years ago.

Go look at the codex. the copyright on it is 2000. so maybe early 2001 at the earliest but not any later then that.

I didn't say it wasn't printed in the year 2000, I said it can't be nine years ago. Someone's math is wrong

Anyway I checked with a friend of mine who once changed planes in England and he tells me that the new Space Wolf Codex is going to have some of the best models you've ever seen, art that really captures the look of the army and rules that are fantastic. He says everyone will want to start a new Space Wolf army.

Blackmoor wrote:I play only Space Wolves too as my Space Marine army.

A lot of the kids don’t know this, but the Space Wolves were very good (a lot of people say way overpowered) in 3rd edition, but in 4th edition they were weak as kittens.

True.

They were even better in 2nd ed., though. They were the only SM worth a damn back then.

while i agree that they are in need of a new codex, it's also not as bad as some space wolf players make it seem. yes, the current codex is from 2000 but you can simply use the current 2008 space marine codex without any modification as long as you have an ounce of imagination. you lose the "i'm so special as a chapter i get my own book" feeling but you get to use the new rules. that's what i'm doing with my blood angels since the white dwarf "codex" is so crappy. blood claws = scouts. blood claw bikers = scout bikers. long fangs = devastators. wolf guard = sternguard. wolf priest = chaplain. almost any SW vehicle = same exact SM vehicle. the only model you lose out on is the leman russ tank.

that can't be said of the xenos that are in need of updating. DE? yeah, a dark lance could be a brightlance and warriors could be guardians. raiders /= falcons. talos /= wraithlord. etc. they don't have the easy subsitutions that make them playable as a current edition army. same thing with necrons and tau.