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I would not want to go to a tournament any time soon for the simple fact that I can't stand overly seriously players, granted being friendly doesn't win you a trophy but the entire purpose of this game, for me, is to have fun and showcase your army with like minded people and if someone got in a piss with me over something as simple as going over by a few points, forgetting a rule every now and then or even just having fun, it would sour the game for me and I wouldn't want anything to do with that person because I don't really want my fun ruined by a smelly Eldar player who pops a blood vessel every time I take out one of his units

(ps, love eldar so don't get all flustered)

Next step: people with bad skillz at gaming should not go to stores as well. Imagine, playing with them in MY LFGS while I could have been playing with better players!

Non-competitive players should play only inside their garages, away from my prying eyes!

Dman you really make the worst topics. Baiting for the most hate

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Dman you really make the worst topics. Baiting for the most hate

He has the Midas Touch: any thread he posts in turns to pure comedy gold!

Yeah I don't mind either.

Keep it up Dman!

Guess what, it is the competitive players giving you those 0's!
They where being tactical, by giving other players a score of 0's they increase the chance that their overall score will be higher then yours.
Non-competitive players are more likely to give you justified scores, as they are not competing for any sort of 'win.'

Or, given the quality of your posts in this thread, they are justified in giving you those scores!

May I ask what "soft scores" are?
I've never played a tournament, this saturday is my first, I've never heard that expression before. Reading this topic, I'm guessing it's a secondary vote like Fellowship in other gaming scenes?

 Buttery Commissar wrote:
May I ask what "soft scores" are?
I've never played a tournament, this saturday is my first, I've never heard that expression before. Reading this topic, I'm guessing it's a secondary vote like Fellowship in other gaming scenes?

Usually painting, army composition and sportsmanship.
The scores that don't take in to account what a hardcore badass you are and are therefore worthless.

Oh, that sounds like a really lovely idea.

...I'm beginning to wonder if I'm too hugbox for this hobby.

I would rate a player who gave out hugs at least an 8/10 on Sportsmanship!

 Vector Strike wrote:
Next step: people with bad skillz at gaming should not go to stores as well. Imagine, playing with them in MY LFGS while I could have been playing with better players!

Non-competitive players should play only inside their garages, away from my prying eyes!

Smooth...

OP: Stop being a coward, and hiding behind your eldar instant-win, easy mode army. All winning 40k tournaments say about you is that you're the most obnoxious. Its easy to create a WAAC list in 40k, and even easier to play. If you had any stones, you would be playing warmahordes or infinity. You don't dare, because you know you'll lose.

 KillMaimBurn96 wrote:
I would not want to go to a tournament any time soon for the simple fact that I can't stand overly seriously players, granted being friendly doesn't win you a trophy but the entire purpose of this game, for me, is to have fun and showcase your army with like minded people and if someone got in a piss with me over something as simple as going over by a few points, forgetting a rule every now and then or even just having fun, it would sour the game for me and I wouldn't want anything to do with that person because I don't really want my fun ruined by a smelly Eldar player who pops a blood vessel every time I take out one of his units

(ps, love eldar so don't get all flustered)

Um... I very rarely encounter that kind of player, and I tend to be near the top tables at events I go to. (In fact I'm up about $800 of prize support in the last 5 months. ) Most of the time I'm joking with my opponent about how such and such objective is a bottle of vintage Baal wine from 38576 AD (good year!) or some such, so I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that tournaments are all about SRS BSNESS. Maybe you've listened to the Internet too much?

I don't like the idea, way too open to abuse.

JinxDragon wrote:
I would rate a player who gave out hugs at least an 8/10 on Sportsmanship!

I usually settle for a handshake after the game (out of curiosity, short of sharing Oreos, what would make it a 10?).

Though weirdly some people get very confused by handshakes. We just spent an hour or more together and had fun, it's not that strange, surely? I'd do the same if we'd just spent two hours chatting on the train and parted ways.

Handshakes are fine, anything more and I'd probably try to clobber them on instinct.

kburn wrote:
OP: Stop being a coward, and hiding behind your eldar instant-win, easy mode army. All winning 40k tournaments say about you is that you're the most obnoxious. Its easy to create a WAAC list in 40k, and even easier to play. If you had any stones, you would be playing warmahordes or infinity. You don't dare, because you know you'll lose.

I play infinity, I used to play warmahordes but it got boring

JinxDragon 662514 8099790 wrote:
Non-competitive players are more likely to give you justified scores, as they are not competing for any sort of 'win.'
!

I find the idea that any human would do anything for free for another one very interesting. Can you tell me more about those not wining guy and good scores given by them. Instead of those mythical guys who knowing they won't win themselfs do everything that everyone else playing them doesn't win either?

If you had any stones, you would be playing warmahordes or infinity. You don't dare, because you know you'll lose.

Or there is no prize support for those tournaments in your area. Or no community for those games, failing that very small ones that don't warrent a s shop owner supporting a tournament with gaming space.

Dman137 wrote:

kburn wrote:
OP: Stop being a coward, and hiding behind your eldar instant-win, easy mode army. All winning 40k tournaments say about you is that you're the most obnoxious. Its easy to create a WAAC list in 40k, and even easier to play. If you had any stones, you would be playing warmahordes or infinity. You don't dare, because you know you'll lose.

I play infinity, I used to play warmahordes but it got boring

Do you win tournaments? Wait, let me answer that for you. The answer is no, seeing how you claim warmahordes is "boring"

Take of your kid gloves and play a real tournament.

Better to have tried and lost, than to lie to yourself for the rest of your life.

Well imo it is better not try to waste 700$ on an army only find out it can't win games. That is worse then losing the money.

Id go to a tournament and bring my Sisters. I have no expectation of winning, im just gonna tally up how many units i can incinerate by the end of it I got the idea from a guy who used to play Orks (the new codex made him shelve them) and he went to tournaments and just tallied up how many things his Deff Rolla flattened. It was a pretty funny list of things.

 niv-mizzet wrote:

 KillMaimBurn96 wrote:
I would not want to go to a tournament any time soon for the simple fact that I can't stand overly seriously players, granted being friendly doesn't win you a trophy but the entire purpose of this game, for me, is to have fun and showcase your army with like minded people and if someone got in a piss with me over something as simple as going over by a few points, forgetting a rule every now and then or even just having fun, it would sour the game for me and I wouldn't want anything to do with that person because I don't really want my fun ruined by a smelly Eldar player who pops a blood vessel every time I take out one of his units

(ps, love eldar so don't get all flustered)

Um... I very rarely encounter that kind of player, and I tend to be near the top tables at events I go to. (In fact I'm up about $800 of prize support in the last 5 months. ) Most of the time I'm joking with my opponent about how such and such objective is a bottle of vintage Baal wine from 38576 AD (good year!) or some such, so I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that tournaments are all about SRS BSNESS. Maybe you've listened to the Internet too much?

Same here. After years of going to events, the people you play, both at the top and bottom tables, are universally cool. You do rarely run into a dick, but that's no different from any time you play strangers. After a while, you get to where you show up at an event and keep running into people who're like "hey, you're that dude I played a few years back at X event, how's it going man?".


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JinxDragon wrote:
Guess what, it is the competitive players giving you those 0's!
They where being tactical, by giving other players a score of 0's they increase the chance that their overall score will be higher then yours.
Non-competitive players are more likely to give you justified scores, as they are not competing for any sort of 'win.'

Or, given the quality of your posts in this thread, they are justified in giving you those scores!

Not really. Our local tournament scene includes soft scores, and we run basically an event per month. Over the several years of playing with them, you get pretty familiar with the consequences of soft scores.

Among competitive players, there's an unspoken rule to always give your opponent perfect sportsmanship unless you catch them cheating redhanded or they do something incredibly rude and really, really, really deserve a poor score. This is almost universal, and it's a major faux-pas to violate this rule. You will occasionally get someone who does violate it, but it's always one of the well-know TFG's (and they're pretty rare).

With casual players, though, you frequently get poor sports who dock you for crappy reasons. You can have three great games where you and your opponents were joking and laughing and generally having fun, then at the end of the day you find out that someone gave you a major hit on sportsmanship. It's amazing how frequently you get the "yeah, you were totally cool to play against, but I thought your army was cheesy so I docked you on sportsmanship". It's frequently undeserved, I've seen people get criticized for having "cheesy" well painted and converted Thousand Sons (who have terrible rules). Among casual players, there's no real consistent code of conduct to stick to, so whether or not you get docked on sportsmanship is a complete crapshoot.

Regardless, it does highlight the fact that sportsmanship scores do a terrible job of actually enforcing sportsmanship.

Buttery Commissar,
At least an 8/10, as in no lower.
They can easily get more points by being friendly too!

kburn wrote:

Dman137 wrote:

kburn wrote:
OP: Stop being a coward, and hiding behind your eldar instant-win, easy mode army. All winning 40k tournaments say about you is that you're the most obnoxious. Its easy to create a WAAC list in 40k, and even easier to play. If you had any stones, you would be playing warmahordes or infinity. You don't dare, because you know you'll lose.

I play infinity, I used to play warmahordes but it got boring

Do you win tournaments? Wait, let me answer that for you. The answer is no, seeing how you claim warmahordes is "boring"

Take of your kid gloves and play a real tournament.

Better to have tried and lost, than to lie to yourself for the rest of your life.

Because kill the caster is such fun. The game is boring to me some models are cool but for the most part they all suck. I'll stick to fun games like x-wing, flames of war and 40k and the occasional blood bowl game

Dman137 wrote:

kburn wrote:

Dman137 wrote:

kburn wrote:
OP: Stop being a coward, and hiding behind your eldar instant-win, easy mode army. All winning 40k tournaments say about you is that you're the most obnoxious. Its easy to create a WAAC list in 40k, and even easier to play. If you had any stones, you would be playing warmahordes or infinity. You don't dare, because you know you'll lose.

I play infinity, I used to play warmahordes but it got boring

Do you win tournaments? Wait, let me answer that for you. The answer is no, seeing how you claim warmahordes is "boring"

Take of your kid gloves and play a real tournament.

Better to have tried and lost, than to lie to yourself for the rest of your life.

Because kill the caster is such fun. The game is boring to me some models are cool but for the most part they all suck. I'll stick to fun games like x-wing, flames of war and 40k and the occasional blood bowl game

What point levels did you play? I'm no warmachine expert, but I've played it a fair amount and know a few hardcore warmachine tournament players and the consensus from them, which I agree with, is that at lower points games turn towards caster killing, but at higher points it's all about scenarios.

 DarkLink wrote:

Dman137 wrote:

kburn wrote:

Dman137 wrote:

kburn wrote:
OP: Stop being a coward, and hiding behind your eldar instant-win, easy mode army. All winning 40k tournaments say about you is that you're the most obnoxious. Its easy to create a WAAC list in 40k, and even easier to play. If you had any stones, you would be playing warmahordes or infinity. You don't dare, because you know you'll lose.

I play infinity, I used to play warmahordes but it got boring

Do you win tournaments? Wait, let me answer that for you. The answer is no, seeing how you claim warmahordes is "boring"

Take of your kid gloves and play a real tournament.

Better to have tried and lost, than to lie to yourself for the rest of your life.

Because kill the caster is such fun. The game is boring to me some models are cool but for the most part they all suck. I'll stick to fun games like x-wing, flames of war and 40k and the occasional blood bowl game

What point levels did you play? I'm no warmachine expert, but I've played it a fair amount and know a few hardcore warmachine tournament players and the consensus from them, which I agree with, is that at lower points games turn towards caster killing, but at higher points it's all about scenarios.

last I played was 35pt but I played some 15 here and there.

Yoyoyo wrote:
Yeah I don't mind either.

Keep it up Dman!

Please don't feed the trolls. They need to stay under their bridges.

Pain4Pleasure wrote:

Yoyoyo wrote:
Yeah I don't mind either.

Keep it up Dman!

Please don't feed the trolls. They need to stay under their bridges.

Anything we can do when he starts another one of these stupid "LOL l2p, Eldar are l33t" BS threads? Mods feel like doing something?

Despite OP tendency to stir up trouble with bad topics and replies, I'll speak to the issues with tournament gaming that others have brought up between casual players and hardcore gamers.
I go to tournaments (rarely, unfortunately) to play new armies and see some that aren't in my meta and to have fun. That's why I play 40k.
I've been playing for years and, right now, my Flesh Tearers and EC aren't too hot, and my DE are the epitome of a glass cannon. I don't seriously expect to win it all, but I look to improve and have fun with other gamers.
A way to improve said tournaments could be divisions. I play 40k casually, but I'm a serious rugby player. I'll speak to the tournament format for sevens rugby since it could help 40k. They're done in a weekend, anywhere from 1 to 3 day tournies (more so players can rest, 40k doesn't need those gaps between games). The tournaments I compete in have divisions starting at the bottom usually composed of teams of casual/newbies/oldboys there to either learn the game or just get drunk and divisions going up to the elite that is international caliber athletes (usually international squads' bench players, up and comers, or guys who are just a year or two too old to be on the international squad now). Playing in the top division, we watch game film, analyze every bit about the game and our opponents, and maximize what we can do with what we have, similar to WAAC players. I don't have a problem with that. Everybody in the elite division is at that tournament to win, sometimes to possibly qualify for bigger tournaments. I've also played in tournaments on the less-skilled teams, but I still had a blast because I was there more to have fun than I was to win the top trophy. If we won a game, it'd be great, but it's hard to expect to win the whole thing when the team I'm playing with has a "beer cutoff" time of 10 minutes before the game begins. To suggest not drinking between games on those teams will get you castrated.

So, maybe 40k tournaments (if they're big enough) should split into divisions between those who are incredibly serious and those who are just out to see the best and have some fun themselves without getting demolished. If I walk into a tournament with my FT, I don't expect to win, but I wouldn't mind going into the less-competitive division if it meant playing against a CC-themed Ork army that turns into an absolute slaughter and is fun for everybody.

Part of the problem is that competitive events are pretty much the onlyform of organised group events. If you prefer to "play for fun"* but all that's on offer is tournaments, then that's what you do.

I've heard of people trying to organise "campaign days" or similar, but the uptake is never very high - even among the very people who complain that no-one ever runs "story-driven" events.

* a daft term, since "those guys" are also playing for fun; winning is fun too.