July White Dwarf New Apocalypse Edition rumour /pics added pg 34, 41& 42

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**shade1313**

pretre wrote:
shade1313 wrote:
At least 3 of the CE went to preorders through my local GW store, and one of the guys ordered that AND the GE.
or so you hope. There were issues with stores over promising preorders and GW under delivering.

Considering I got my order in within two minutes of them being posted on the pre-orders page, I'll be royally PO'd if I don't get mine.

**H.B.M.C.**

Lord_Mortis wrote:
Edit: Nope, looks like it may apply to just a single Apocalypse Formation. Can still come in from any table edge though.

Good. That's the way it always should have been.

**shade1313**

Lord_Mortis wrote:
There is also a pic of some of the strategic assets. Flank March looks to be the same as before....

Edit: Nope, looks like it may apply to just a single Apocalypse Formation. Can still come in from any table edge though.

In other words, expect TFG to default to that one.

Edit: I started my comment before the clarification. Still, I'll likely keep Ambush tucked away for when I know someone's fielding The Green Tide. Although, if they can't assault on the turn of arrival as Outflanking units, that'd mitigate it somewhat.

**Crablezworth**

I tend to avoid playing with formations or some the crazy assets, I call it big 40k or apoc light.

**ausYenLoWang**

Rather suprised that Forgefiends/maulerfiends didnt get a formation, but the helldrakes did.....

might be time for a banablade formation then..

**Billagio**

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Hmm... that's a good question... what can I field of everything that's there?

Daemons: 3 of the Chaos Daemons ones, assuming the Khorne one doesn't require exactly 70 Bloodletters.

CSM: 5 of the Chaos Marine ones. Almost 6, but I don't have that many Spawn.

Eldar: I don't have enough Eldar to do any of those formations, although combined with two of my friends we could do the Wraithknight one. Kinda shocked there's no Wraithguard formation.

Imperial Guard: There is not a single Guard formation there that I cannot do. Some I can do more than once. I can do the Emperor's Fist Tank Company 3 times over.

Necrons: I have to assume that the big Warrior one doesn't require 100 Warriors, and if so I can do it. I decided against buying the Money Vault, so I can't do the Necropolis. I do hope there's a formation for multiple Monoliths (like the last version of Apoc) and that they don't all require a Money Vault.

Marines: Battle Company? Easily. Tactical Reserve? Probably. First Company? No problem. I could even do a Scout Company if I dip into my ancient single-pose plastic Scouts supplies. So 6 of what's there.

Tau: I don't own any Tau vehicles. Don't have enough Tau to do any of those.

Tyranids: All the Tyranid ones, although I don't have any Hive Guard.

Armageddon Imperium: I can do three of them, and that includes the Stronghold and the Mechanised Company.

You.....have a lot of tanks.

**H.B.M.C.**

Billagio wrote:
You.....have a lot of tanks.

Yeah. 30 Russes (technically 31 if you count the Bombard). 10-tank Artillery Company (including that Bombard). 12 Chimeras. 3 Hellhounds. 1 Stormblade. 1 Hellhammer. 2 Shadowswords. 3 Baneblades. 3 Macharii (one of each flavour). Then lots of other things like 6 Valks, 20 Sentinels, 400+ Infantry, and so on.

**shade1313**

Someday, when I have finished building and painting them all, I will find an Apoc game to play in wherein I'll field 2 full SM Battle Companies, comprised entirely of the old Legion of the Damned.

Edit: Maybe 1 Battle Company. The other may be a Reserve Company of Tacticals, I'm not sure if I'll make enough of them into Assault Marines to do two Battle Companies.

**Ravenous D**

... $300 for a case and a book. Who the feth can justify buying this junk?

**Voldrak**

If sisters of battle retributors can man vengeance platforms with punisher guns... there won't be a need for formations.

This will be the formation...

**Billagio**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Billagio wrote:
You.....have a lot of tanks.

Yeah. 30 Russes (technically 31 if you count the Bombard). 10-tank Artillery Company (including that Bombard). 12 Chimeras. 3 Hellhounds. 1 Stormblade. 1 Hellhammer. 2 Shadowswords. 3 Baneblades. 3 Macharii (one of each flavour). Then lots of other things like 6 Valks, 20 Sentinels, 400+ Infantry, and so on.

My word...

**Harriticus**

Looking over these formations, they just seem to be a hodgepodge of whatever expensive Models GW could come up with and rarely have any strategic benefit to them.

And my Guard are only 4 tanks, basilisk, manticore, hydra, baneblade, 5 chimeras, 3 sentinels, 1 valkyrie, and ~90 infantry. I am a poor mans Regiment.

**davethepak**

Ravenous D wrote:
... $300 for a case and a book. Who the feth can justify buying this junk?

The same people who buy other prestige products (its a marketing term, look it up).

Like:
* Collectors editions of comics that sold for 25 cents and pay $500
* Sports cars that are $160,000
* People with no kids who never go camping/off road and buy an $50,000 suv
* A rolex watch.
* A 55" tv (or a 70" for that matter).
* An autograph
* a "signed" anything
* a "was used by ...(insert famous person name here)" item
* an big engagement ring
* old chairs from a stadium...
* a Tshirt from a concert for $50.

Get the idea?

While I won't buy most of those things...there are people who will.

The new cases are cool....but I will spend my money on other toys.

**Cheex**

Anyone notice this on the digital releases page in WD?

**Breotan**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Does anyone know if the new Vortex template is just the old one reskinned or the larger 5" one similar to the Storm of Magic templates?

It's the small template.

**dlight**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
I despise the Realm of Battle Board with every fibre of my being, but I have to repost this picture because it is a lovely board set up:

Would you pay over 2k for it? Of course not, but it looks amazing.

Kinda, but there isn't much room left for models.

Apoc works best with a minimal amount of terrain on the table. There are so many models in a big game, you don't want half the board fitted with terrain.

The board would need to be 2x as big as the one pictured for a proper, balanced game. In this setup, you would be deploying your forces right next to enemy
emplacements.

**H.B.M.C.**

Isn't much room left? Most of that table is empty space.

And minimal terrain is best? So it just becomes a "who brought the most long ranged guns" slugfest? No thanks. Never tell me that less terrain is better. Never.

**AduroT**

That is a super bad ass looking army case. I kind of want one, although I don't know what for...

Is the Tesseract Vault the only new Necron release? It's cool and all, but might be too large for me to get much use out of, except as maybe terrain... Was hoping for some more new kits I could get cool bitz out of for my Cryx.

**dlight**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Isn't much room left? Most of that table is empty space.

And minimal terrain is best? So it just becomes a "who brought the most long ranged guns" slugfest? No thanks. Never tell me that less terrain is better. Never.

No, minimal terrain is best on that size table. It is way too cramped. Unless everyone is fighting with pure super heavies. That table needs to be WAY bigger for that terrain setup.

**sudojoe**

dementedwombat wrote:
That flying "super monolith" looks pretty awesome. Can't wait to see someone buy it and paint it up with some awesome object source lighting from that star god thing in the middle.

It just looks so unbalanced and top heavy. I'd be afraid of it toppling over and breaking!

**orunlu**

dlight wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Isn't much room left? Most of that table is empty space.

And minimal terrain is best? So it just becomes a "who brought the most long ranged guns" slugfest? No thanks. Never tell me that less terrain is better. Never.

No, minimal terrain is best on that size table. It is way too cramped. Unless everyone is fighting with pure super heavies. That table needs to be WAY bigger for that terrain setup.

hate to say it on a 6x8 table the biggest game I d play on it would be at max 5k and that would be a very large game on that size table. A good game on that table would be 3500-4k. At that size there is plenty of room for movement. with that terrain set up

**MajorWesJanson**

AndrewC wrote:
I think thats optomistic.

Two quad icarus lascannon? 96" range, presumably H2 TL w Int & Skyfire. (Based off of BrB P114)

Do you honestly think they will be accepted?

Cheers

Andrew

Well, they are on a building, not an artillery piece, so can be shaken, and I expect the bunker to be in the 250-300 point range with the pair of quad lascannons.

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SickSix wrote:
I like how they are selling the 'Fortress of Arrogance' that was a converted Baneblade from last Apoc Ed. and now it's just a more expensive box with a $20 comissar yarrick figure.

Oh and confirms that discounted bundles are 100% DEAD. No more Christmas megaforces :(

If they took away battleforces, then maybe I'd agree that Megaforces were gone. But I still expect to see 4-5 of them come December, 2 for Fantasy, Space Marines +1 for 40K and maybe daemons.

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H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ok, the collector's wasn't that big a deal. I thought it came with templates and other stuff, but really it's the book divided up into smaller things, the cards, and an extra warzone. Not a huge loss.

And it says that there are 100 formations, all available as easy 1-click bundles, confirming our fears that everything in this book is a readily available model purchase rather than something a bit more creative (like the last version of Apoc, that included things like Warlord Titans). This also makes me believe that further formations will not be released via PDF on their website but as overpriced iOS bs.

I'm guessing 100 formations plus superheavy units and such. The Lord of Skulls, Megalith, and Reaver Titan all are new additions to the book, and it is 296 pages vs the 200 pages of Apoc 1 and 88 pages of Reload.

As for Apoc formations in iOS stuff, my prediction is that they will show up in various Codex Supplements, which already have Planetstrike and Cities of Death. Apoc seems too logical not to add to them.

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AndrewC wrote:
I've just realised from looking at the pictures on GW that the quad cannon arn't even mounted on the fortification. So we'll have the ADL quad gun placement arguement twice over now.

Cheers

Andrew

The quad las, punisher cannon, and battle cannon turrets all fit into the little turret rings, so they can only go on the vengeance turret mount, or one of three places on the redoubt. They don't sit on top wherever.

**Sidstyler**

I was looking at the templates and kinda laughed at the product description.

"These are an essential purchase for anyone who wants to play games of Apocalypse."

...which is of course why they're in extremely limited supply. Make sure you buy this "essential" now, or it's gone forever!

Same thing with the rest of this junk, honestly. The vortex template is kinda cool, I actually think it looks better than the webway portal and could probably be used as one for all those DE players that missed out on that the first time, but like everything GW sells now it's extremely limited so BUY IT NOOOOW if you really want it! The cards are a neat idea, but again, if you don't BUY IT NOOOOW you'll never get them. This stuff really shouldn't be limited, yet it is. Hell, why not make all the codices, rulebooks, and maybe even the models "while stocks last" from now on, why keep anything around for longer than a month?

It's just little things like that which really bother me.

**Enigwolf**

So these are all up for pre-order... But does anyone know the release date?

**Void_walker**

Think it's the 14th of next month.

**Morathi's Darkest Sin**

Two weeks I believe.

Even though I could tell that's what they would be from the White Dwarf its really sad to see the one click bundles... do they really think folks are that stupid.

**Pacific**

That terrain set-up looks nice, but can you imagine what a modelling/painting studio could come up with for that much money?

The nameless wrote:
I'm not sure if this has been brought up, but why weren't the Sisters invited to this fight?

I know I shouldn't laugh... but this comment is just so pitiful...

(sorry The nameless! )

**dreamakuma**

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1090030a&prodId=prod2090131a&rootCatGameStyle=

Did they just kill Yarrick?

The siege of Tempestora Hive saw a gathering of three of the greatest heroes of the Armageddon War - Commissar Yarrick, High Marshal Helbrecht, and Captain Tycho. Tempestora may have been lost, but thanks to the actions of these three men, Armageddon Prime still held on.

Did they just kill off one the most Iconic characters in 40K?

**macas**

Ravenous D wrote:
... $300 for a case and a book. Who the feth can justify buying this junk?

Would not buy any of these.

**Morathi's Darkest Sin**

dreamakuma wrote:

Did they just kill off one the most Iconic characters in 40K?

Na'h, they are just referencing stuff we already know with a more in depth look, only Tycho actually died in that fight, Yarrick is still in pursuit of Ghaz somewhere. Tbh those two fluff books are part of the reason I'm considering a CE.

If you break down the £150 into GW mentality pricing it ain't that bad.

Leather cover Apocalypse book - easy £50 on its own
100 Card stock formation cards - I'd say £30
Five door reference screen - £15
Strategic Cards - £8
The hard book background book £30 - based on Iyanden
The two soft back ones £15 each.

So separately its be over £160 and that's not counting the case, which is pretty funky.