July White Dwarf New Apocalypse Edition rumour /pics added pg 34, 41& 42

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**Sidstyler**

Dundas wrote:
From todays GW news:

"The skullhurler fires, you'll not be surprised to learn, a massive skull, which creates a vast explosion upon impact, sending out hundreds of daemonically infused skulls to chomp their way through nearby enemies."

Some things are just beyond parody...

It's hilariously stupid and somehow kinda cool at the same time. Reminds me of the little skull things from Doom in a way.

Also, "networked reactors"...how the feth does that work? So one guy decides to blow himself up with his own reactor and they all do? Do they draw straws and whoever gets the big one gets the remote that controls the other two?

**Foda_Bett**

pretre wrote:

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Scoring
Scoring is done based on the number of strategic objectives controlled each break and at the end of the battle. There are six new scenarios to play and several dozen Strategic Assets, which allow you to outmaneuver your foes, place minefields in front of them or bombard them from orbit. Unnatural disasters erupt across the warzone or magma storms fall from the sky while seismic explosions rip apart the battlefield. Your Warlords can even perform heroic acts during the game, which could potentially turn the tide of battle. Just make sure they don't get killed while doing it there's nothing quite so tragic as having your commander blown to bits in their finest hour.

Formations
Necton Tesseract Vault and the Obelisk: Both of the Vaults have the Seismic Assault Ascendant Power (you've got to give them two out of a list of six, and all of them are truly nasty), which unleashes a massive 6D6 S8 AP3 shots per turn (new apoc barage). The Obelisk: its Gravity Pulse ability automatically hits enemy flyers in both shooting phases.

Space Marine Battle Company: Orbital Strike Strategic Asset and the Comrades-in-Arms rule, which enables all squads in the Battle Company to fire overwatch for nearby allies when they are assaulted.

Tau Riptide Wing: 3+ Riptides gains Coordinated Attacks and Networked Reactors

Eldar WraithKnight Dreamwalker Squad: 3-5 Wraithknights. Gains Dreamwalk (fluff mentions faster response times)

IG Baneblade: 525 pts (with no sponsons), can take 2 sets of sponsons for 50pts a pair (lost option for flamer sponsons and option for extra armor), commisar tank upgrade for 45pts, and command tank upgrade for 200pts. HK/Stubber/SB all as guard codex

Space Marine Librarius: five+ Librarians, will unleash a Force Vortex. Woe betide anyone who is caught in that!

Space Marine Predator Assassin Squadron: Three new Predator Annihilators should be a match for most armoured targets (their killshot rule makes their firepower even more dangerous than usual. making them fire as a D-weapon if all their lascannons hit). At the start of the game I have to nominate a chosen target and they do a lot better against that (all weapons are twin-linked), but as long as I choose the right formation for the right targets, they will be deadly.

CSM Legionnaire Warband: units have Hatred and be Fearless, so long as they're within 12" of a Space Marine. Warlord may call Finest Hour. So Death Guard with Typhus get Feel No Pain and Fearless.

CSM Heldrake Fear Squadron: pre-game Vector Strike, as well as its 'always-on ' Daemonforge.

Strategic Assets
Crusade Banner: Pick a Marine standard bearer, all marine units with models within 24" gain FNP

Camouflage: any army. Pick a friendly HQ unit. Friendly units within 24" of that model have shrouded the first turn of the game

Blind Barrage: The same

Trophy Kill: Strategic Asset rewards us with three extra victory points if we can kill the enemy Warmaster.

Entropic Plague: Strategic Asset, which, on the turn I use it, strips every model within 3D6" of my Warlord of its armour save.

I've been posting the same things here. Someone came behind me and posted the verbatim rules of the WD.

**pretre**

Foda_Bett wrote:

I've been posting the same things here. Someone came behind me and posted the verbatim rules of the WD.

Yeah, I had seen some of them before but it was a nice big summary all together. Also, it helps get people off of the ridiculous OT crud they've been on.

**Squigsquasher**

Sidstyler wrote:
Dundas wrote:
From todays GW news:

"The skullhurler fires, you'll not be surprised to learn, a massive skull, which creates a vast explosion upon impact, sending out hundreds of daemonically infused skulls to chomp their way through nearby enemies."

Some things are just beyond parody...

It's hilariously stupid and somehow kinda cool at the same time. Reminds me of the little skull things from Doom in a way.

Yeah, there is no way they wrote that without a smile. They just decided "Feth it, let's come up with something funny".

To me, that's what makes me love the Khornemower. Sure, it's ridiculous, OTT, silly, and extremely 80s, but I think that's the point. It's a modern re-imagination of a crazy Epic 40,000 war machine from days gone by, with today's modelling technology. I actually quite like the slightly more silly, darkly humourous direction they're taking, like they used to take back in the day. Like how Noise Marines were basically killer Hair Metal bands who literally made their opponent's intestines explode with the power of rock, and as such had mohawks, guitar-cannons, crazy leopard print colour schemes, and the like.

We loved that feel then, why can't we love it again?

**CthuluIsSpy**

Sidstyler wrote:
Dundas wrote:
From todays GW news:

"The skullhurler fires, you'll not be surprised to learn, a massive skull, which creates a vast explosion upon impact, sending out hundreds of daemonically infused skulls to chomp their way through nearby enemies."

Some things are just beyond parody...

It's hilariously stupid and somehow kinda cool at the same time. Reminds me of the little skull things from Doom in a way.

Yeah, that's pretty metal.

**Foda_Bett**

Someone asked me what I thought about the command tank upgrade?

Logically they could mean for the purposes of becoming a warlord/warmaster.
We know they're doing "different" things with warlords and making a "warmaster" which is an overall commander of the apoc team.

It wouldn't surprise me if this is so you can run just tank companies (as you really can't have a non-armored warlord without it).
I can see them saying:
Each player gets a warlord, one of those per team is nominated a warmaster for the event (Be sure to change warmasters every game so no one gets their feelings hurt).

**pretre**

Squigsquasher wrote:
We loved that feel then, why can't we love it again?

Because loving things is so 10 years ago. We're into either ironically liking things or comparing things to other things in a ridiculous manner.

**Talizvar**

Well, GW has the Apoc. stuff on advanced orders.

Why do I get upset when I look at a collection of models they packaged together at ridiculous prices, add them up and see they cost EXACTLY the same if I ordered them individually.

I say to them "MEH".

Here is a fine opportunity to upsell by reducing packaging and reducing the cost slightly to get us fanboys to buy it because it is a deal. They did this with the last Apoc. it was awesome.

I do not feel love here. I feel used and want a divorce: the magic is gone.

**Alfndrate**

Talizvar wrote:
Well, GW has the Apoc. stuff on advanced orders.

Why do I get upset when I look at a collection of models they packaged together at ridiculous prices, add them up and see they cost EXACTLY the same if I ordered them individually.

I say to them "MEH".

Here is a fine opportunity to upsell by reducing packaging and reducing the cost slightly to get us fanboys to buy it because it is a deal. They did this with the last Apoc. it was awesome.

I do not feel love here. I feel used and want a divorce: the magic is gone.

I asked them this same thing with the Iyanden bundle, using the premise that if they offered even a 10% discount on that 1-click bundle, they'd save me enough money for another flyer kit... This is the response I got:

GW Customer Service Rep wrote:The one click bundles that appear on the website are meant to function for a quick and easy checkout process. Virtually all of the bundles we have packaged over the last year are either based on a theme. For example: the Iyanden bundle coinciding with the supplement, or they feature one of each new release for an army release.

See that bolded part? They're not trying to save you money, or thank you for buying direct, or any other reason that could be thought of as to why they could give you a discount on these bundles. They're literally saving you a few clicks...

**Enigwolf**

Alfndrate wrote:

See that bolded part? They're not trying to save you money, or thank you for buying direct, or any other reason that could be thought of as to why they could give you a discount on these bundles. They're literally saving you a few clicks...

Didn't you know? Each click is human energy and electricity saved, ergo, money saved!

**keltikhoa**

Its part of GW, Humanitarian efforts. Imagine how difficult it is for a quadriplegic to click all those different things to order his army. GW is generous to offer such an advantage to their fanbase!

**H.B.M.C.**

What in the world makes the Baneblade worth over 500 points, and sponsons worth 50?

**Bolognesus**

I'm guessing the SHV damage table will be interesting to read, along with a bunch of the new SHV rules - they'd have to be pretty damn durable to even remotely justify those prices...

**Billagio**

Man, I just bought a stompa off ebay. I hope that its not gimped because its getting a huge points increase or is not very durable :(

**cadbren**

H.B.M.C. wrote:

That was the thing about Apocalypse: There was a point to the bundles. The original Battle Company? Captain + Command Squad + 6 Tactical Squads + 2 Assault Squads + 2 Devastator Squads + 9 fething Rhinos (and a Razorback for fun!) for about AUD$800 (and about US$400-500). Now it's over AUD$1k, and there are no Rhinos, but a few Dreads thrown in. The Land Raider formation (that had 4 Land Raiders IIRC), basically came with a free Land Raider. The Dread Mob had 3 Deff Dreadz.

And so on.

Apocalypse was a runaway success for GW last time because there was an actual point to buying the formations. Now they're just the same price as always.

The original Battle company box in terms of individual sets was: commander, command squad, 6 tactical squads, 4 assault squads, 4 devastator squads, 8 rhinos and a razorback. It provided you with 9 vehicles and 111 marines.

The new one has replaced two of the devastator squads with a seventh tactical squad. They could have done that with the first but someone obviously goofed (fortunately).

Essentially they've replaced 9 vehicles with 3 dreads and a chaplain. So the new one is 3 dreads and 110 marines.

Is there no savings again with this? There doesn't appear to be with the predator squad but I didn't check anything else. I was hoping they might do sets like the vindicator squad and the whirlwind/landspeeder squad, at a lower cost than buying individually. No point buying these formations otherwise.

**MajorStoffer**

cadbren wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:

That was the thing about Apocalypse: There was a point to the bundles. The original Battle Company? Captain + Command Squad + 6 Tactical Squads + 2 Assault Squads + 2 Devastator Squads + 9 fething Rhinos (and a Razorback for fun!) for about AUD$800 (and about US$400-500). Now it's over AUD$1k, and there are no Rhinos, but a few Dreads thrown in. The Land Raider formation (that had 4 Land Raiders IIRC), basically came with a free Land Raider. The Dread Mob had 3 Deff Dreadz.

And so on.

Apocalypse was a runaway success for GW last time because there was an actual point to buying the formations. Now they're just the same price as always.

The original Battle company box in terms of individual sets was: commander, command squad, 6 tactical squads, 4 assault squads, 4 devastator squads, 8 rhinos and a razorback. It provided you with 9 vehicles and 111 marines.

The new one has replaced two of the devastator squads with a seventh tactical squad. They could have done that with the first but someone obviously goofed (fortunately).

Essentially they've replaced 9 vehicles with 3 dreads and a chaplain. So the new one is 3 dreads and 110 marines.

Is there no savings again with this? There doesn't appear to be with the predator squad but I didn't check anything else. I was hoping they might do sets like the vindicator squad and the whirlwind/landspeeder squad, at a lower cost than buying individually. No point buying these formations otherwise.

But think of the clicks your saving!

**warboss**

I wonder if this plastics release will have the shortage issues (not necessarily due to demand but rather due to supply) that the tau and (to a lesser extent) the eldar releases had.

**jonolikespie**

Dundas wrote:
From todays GW news:

"The skullhurler fires, you'll not be surprised to learn, a massive skull, which creates a vast explosion upon impact, sending out hundreds of daemonically infused skulls to chomp their way through nearby enemies."

Some things are just beyond parody...

I'm pretty sure my IQ lowered about 8 points reading that.

**BrookM**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
What in the world makes the Baneblade worth over 500 points, and sponsons worth 50?

Perhaps for balancing issues and no, I did not type that with a straight face. Does make me wonder who the author is of the whole thing.

**H.B.M.C.**

The Baneblade at 400 points is a stretch. 550 with one set of sponsons? Come on. And 200 for a command thingy? They realise that the 200 points doesn't make it any more durable right?

**Skullhammer**

I'm thinking (hopeing) that super heavys can only lose a hp due to pens, this would "balance" them a bit as at the moment they die way to easily to glances and for there cost (points/pounds) I'd like them to last a bit longer than my opponents first shooting phase.

This is pure speculation and not a roumor!

**BrookM**

That's what I had hoped for at the very least, or you know, +1 to BS, because if you're going to make is special, might as well make is super-special for that amount.

**jonolikespie**

It sounds like all superheavies are getting price increases, which makes no sense at all, don't they want us to buy more big kits?

**Peregrine**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
And 200 for a command thingy? They realise that the 200 points doesn't make it any more durable right?

If it isn't a typo it probably means that the command tank upgrade gives some kind of army-wide benefit beyond just upgrading the tank itself. If, for example, the command tank rule gives you an extra strategic asset you're probably going to buy it for every Baneblade in your army. And whatever it is, it's almost certainly not the same weak command tank upgrade as the old Baneblade.

**H.B.M.C.**

I completely agree Peregrine. I'm sure it won't be the same command tank upgrade as before, but price increases of a significant percentage (this is a 40% price increase!) need to do more than just give a few rules even if they are army wide because it paints a giant target on the vehicle.

People are already irrationally afraid of super-heavies even though most of them are glass hammers and virtually all of them are one-gun wonders (what's a Shadowsword do once the Volcano Cannon is down? Answer: Sweet feth all!). Now tell your opponent that you took a 200 point upgrade to make your Baneblade into a Super-Duper Command Baneblade and what's he going to do? Leave it alone?

At 500 or 700 points it still only has 9 HP. Would you rather have a 700 point target, or spend those same 700 points on an equal amount of Leman Russes?

Essentially GW have taken the problems that plague smaller Super-Heavies (the Macharius's and Malcadors of this world) where they're not worth the points you pay and are often less useful than cheaper regular tanks (vanilla Macharius vs Land Raider - guess who wins?) and transferred them onto the bigger ones. That's bad. That's very bad. That's game-breakingly bad (unless HP's work differently in super-heavies, which I doubt).

**BrookM**

I posted it a while back, but here it is again:

It counts as a HQ choice and is part of the High Command formation, whatever that might mean.

**Peregrine**

It counts as a HQ choice and is part of the High Command formation, whatever that might mean.

Exactly the problem. We have absolutely no idea what the important part of the rule does. "HQ choice and high command formation" tells us nothing, it could be a game-breaking overpowered option or it could be a complete waste of 200 points.

H.B.M.C. wrote:
At 500 or 700 points it still only has 9 HP. Would you rather have a 700 point target, or spend those same 700 points on an equal amount of Leman Russes?

I don't know. We have no idea what the upgrade does. It's possible that it's powerful enough that you'll get 200 points of benefit before your opponent kills it (or even that the benefit doesn't depend on the tank staying alive), or it could just be a complete waste of points. But speculating about how it's too expensive is just pointless right now.

Just to give an obvious example, let's consider the "free asset" hypothetical again. Let's say I take an orbital bombardment asset and use it on the first turn, before my opponent even gets a turn. I can pretty confidently say that I got 200 points of value out of it, and I'm going to be even happier if my opponent then treats my 500 point Baneblade as a 700 point threat instead of making better targeting decisions.

**unmercifulconker**

So that one click apoc bundle costing more than buying the seperate items was addressed by GW.

Do they amend the price of the bundle? Oh come on as if thats GW's style.

They just got rid of the multi squad eldar box sets which is the vypers, walkers and platforms so the price of the bundle is now accurate.

off GW now.

**midget_overlord**

If it counts as an HQ then it can perform super heroic acts, whatever those are. They can change the balance of the game, does that mean they are really broken? Something we might ban from our club.

I doubt they brought back the FOC for apocalypse, the bane blade product page describes it as available to all armies in apocalypse.

**Peregrine**

midget_overlord wrote:
Something we might ban from our club.

Wow, really? Talking about banning something before we've even seen a hint of what the rules are?