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Anyone kept track of Prodos' misleading or incorrect use of information or u-turns? Prodos may be busy "fulfilling" but they seem to be well practiced at burning bridges.

Off topic... I'm wondering if the Terminator Genisys game is any good? I'm thinking Alien vs Predator vs Terminator potential. (Don't need AVP:THB to arrive to play it, I have horrorclix aliens, predators and some excellent predastore hunters. I have some gripping beast marines to if I wanted to chuck them in the mix)

Alternatively, has anybody home brewed any of these factions into Deadzone?


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PomWallaby wrote:
Anyone kept track of Prodos' misleading or incorrect use of information or u-turns? Prodos may be busy "fulfilling" but they seem to be well practiced at burning bridges.

Off topic... I'm wondering if the Terminator Genisys game is any good? I'm thinking Alien vs Predator vs Terminator potential. (Don't need AVP:THB to arrive to play it, I have horrorclix aliens, predators and some excellent predastore hunters. I have some gripping beast marines to if I wanted to chuck them in the mix)

Alternatively, has anybody home brewed any of these factions into Deadzone?


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There is another thread on Terminator Genesys which might interest you PomWallaby
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/647791.page

The miniatures aren't a patch on AvP*, but gamewise it's tremendous fun, really well designed.
Probably the 'surprise hit' of the year so far for me in fact.

* EDIT: that's probably a bit unfair, the terminators are perfectly adequate for what they are.

Hang on ? So the second wave figures they had finished and cast up almost a year ago weren't actually ok'd buy fox !! Remember all the pictures of boxs of them they kept showing! So now we have to waif while fox ok them ..what if they need to be changed ? Do prodos have the cash flow to ditch £1000s of worth of product and recast them ? .

Where did the update come from I didn't get an email for this one?

Interesting that they reopened people's pledges and there's nothing in the update about it.

My pledge is stuck as awaiting in the manager so I'm guessing that it's still closed.

Thanks Pacific, I get the distinct impression AVP rules will go straight in the bin until properly play tested and fixed. Terminator may be a good alternative to mess about with.


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@JoRugby, update was seen on Prodos' own forum. (I agree an email wouldn't have gone a miss.)

Joyboozer wrote:
The sculpts for wave two mentioned were reported as being approved except for the packaging quite some time ago. How surprising they actually weren't.

In addition, all those boxes full of ... well, crap? I'd say, Prodos 1, truth still 0.

PomWallaby wrote:
Anyone kept track of Prodos' misleading or incorrect use of information or u-turns? Prodos may be busy "fulfilling" but they seem to be well practiced at burning bridges.
Off topic... I'm wondering if the Terminator Genisys game is any good? I'm thinking Alien vs Predator vs Terminator potential. (Don't need AVP:THB to arrive to play it, I have horrorclix aliens, predators and some excellent predastore hunters. I have some gripping beast marines to if I wanted to chuck them in the mix)
Alternatively, has anybody home brewed any of these factions into Deadzone?
Ps... Nice to have a message board where any doubts or conserns don't get your message deleted or permabanned. Free speach etc etc.

That'd be one hell of a scoreboard. I mean, if you think boxes of cast stuff it started waaaaaay back. Bah, who needs the frakking fanbase? As long as nobody sues, they are on the win ... no, wait, that doesn't account for the internet age anymore. Dang forums and communicating people ... why can these runts (i.e. us backers) leave a company alone and just throw the money at them?

 JoeRugby wrote:
Where did the update come from I didn't get an email for this one?
Interesting that they reopened people's pledges and there's nothing in the update about it.
My pledge is stuck as awaiting in the manager so I'm guessing that it's still closed.

Bah, email, shemale, all the same. As long as the true hardcore fanboys get the info and just can't get out of their nerdgasms, that's good enough. The other runts (i.e. us backers) would just find more hairs to pick and god forbid, accuse them of lying anyways or, again.
Uhm, go check your PM. Mine's been closed for months and surprise, it was all open again, just in case I wanted to add some more money into a bottomless pit.

Hey, at least you guys will get something. I've been waiting for the completion of Assimilation Alien Host, a KS which was done *before* this one even launched, and still no word as to when we can actually expect anything like Swarm level or above to be finished. I just want someone to buy me out of my pledge so I can be done with it.

I backed Alien Assimulation Host as well. I don't think it's fair to compare it to AVP. Yes Troll Forged are slow, but if I remember correctly the money ran out ages ago. Unlike some projects which shut down, Ed has continued to sculpt and cast and pledges are slowly being fulfilled. I think I backed at "swarm" so should be due the pledge manager "soon". AVP however was always going to go to retail as plastic, the kickstarter was for a resin limited collectors edition. Troll forge have used their funds to set themselves up but are fulfilling backers first. On the other hand Prodos haven't yet produced the "retail" plastic edition and instead have decided to sell the collectors kickstarter edition at retail before sending it out to backers. A lot of backers of AVP I suspect would have been better waiting for retail. I understand that Fox may have a stranglehold over Prodos, perhaps even a gagging order, but Prodos come across not very sincere or apologetic. Besides, when Troll Forged run into difficulty they didn't falsely lockdown the kickstarter page to shut out the crowd with burning pitchforks. When it comes to kickstarter delays, Kingdom Death bucks the trend there. Sometimes somethings are worth the wait.

I backed at 'Real Aliens' level. I've no intention of, but if I add an additional copy of the game, my Pledge only increases by £30, plus I get addtional free items to choose. If I further increase the extra games to 2, that then adds on an additional £70.

Anyone else have this same calc? Not sure their pledge manager is correct.

So for lack of any real news from Prodos, I found this awesome starship board being made out of the Mantic Battlezones tiles on the FB page. Amazing.

so my pledge status is showing as "awaiting " what does that mean ? Is it open or closed ?

Well, if it means anything I closed mine a few days ago, it now says 'awaiting' also.

Awaiting what? Even when you click on it, it goes no-where and just sits there enigmatically..

Perhaps they manually check each closed pledge manager, cross-referencing the backer name to any forum posts to see if he or she has been naughty or nice..

 BrookM wrote:
Perhaps they manually check each closed pledge manager, cross-referencing the backer name to any forum posts to see if he or she has been naughty or nice..

haha - if that was the case, since I was kicked out of the KS, and then subsequently banned from the forum (now reinstated), there's no way on earth they'd have allowed me to pick up box number 50 at Expo.

yeah,

 BrookM wrote:
Perhaps they manually check each closed pledge manager, cross-referencing the backer name to any forum posts to see if he or she has been naughty or nice..

I'm fethed then I've been pissing on their cornflakes for a few weeks now.

Panic...

So I finally had a chance to check my pledge manager, and yep it was open! Why they opened it I'm not sure, but I'll be damned if they think I'm dropping any more money on this now! Between Avp, and the slew of other stuff I bought to support this game, I'll need to play for a long time to recoup any benefits!

 Grumpae wrote:
So I finally had a chance to check my pledge manager, and yep it was open! Why they opened it I'm not sure, but I'll be damned if they think I'm dropping any more money on this now! Between Avp, and the slew of other stuff I bought to support this game, I'll need to play for a long time to recoup any benefits!

I suspect that is one reason they did it without asking/notifying you. The other is likely to have the ready excuse of "how can we ship to you when your pledge manager isn't even finalized?!?".

[quote=I suspect that is one reason they did it without asking/notifying you. The other is likely to have the ready excuse of "how can we ship to you when your pledge manager isn't even finalized?!?".

 warboss wrote:
I suspect that is one reason they did it without asking/notifying you. The other is likely to have the ready excuse of "how can we ship to you when your pledge manager isn't even finalized?!?".

I forget when or where it was posted but at one time there was a post where they stated they reopened all pledge managers to update final shipping information. Backers were supposed to re-verify everything, probably hoping for some last minute additions as well, then close it to show that everything was finalized. I initially ignored it because I thought I recently closed it, unlike some friends who had closed it ages ago. So I figured I would be fine. When I did check back it was still open so I closed it.

Soda Pop has posted on facebook that they're going to be the US Publisher for AvP,

and will have this at their Gencon booth

but the will NOT be offering it to retail until all US KS backers are fulfilled (see comments)

https://www.facebook.com/NinjaDivision/photos/a.126982504148981.22090.126968547483710/474050909442137/?type=1&theater

It's good to see that they have at least put things in place to get this deliver in North America. Hopefully this won't come back to bite Ninja Division by association or worse Prodos throwing them under the bus for errors and delays that are actually their own fault.

Well, we can say, Prodos hasn't run this project into the ground like Palladium Books did with their KS.
But then, this isn't a contest on who runs the worst KS-after-campaign.

Ya listen Prodos?

I'd like to see the kickstarter page reopened. Remember when Prodos said this?
"It's important for us to say that the Kickstarter page was initially removed by mistake, but now we have decided with Fox that it might be better to stay down until the product you have pre-ordered has shipped."

PomWallaby wrote:
I'd like to see the kickstarter page reopened. Remember when Prodos said this?
"It's important for us to say that the Kickstarter page was initially removed by mistake, but now we have decided with Fox that it might be better to stay down until the product you have pre-ordered has shipped."

I'm not sure they can to be honest. Not that there'd be much point since they're (verrrry slowly) fulfilling the pledge rewards right now.

OK, so here's the deal ...
This morning at 8:45 the doorbell rang and shook me out of bed after approx 5 hours of sleep.
It was the UPS guy with a big black heavy package. Dozy is signed, put it aside and ignored it until I gulped down my first coffee - today won't be fun, but going back to sleep is next to useless.
Checked the address - for my wife, from Poland. Synaptic relais falling into place: Must be AvP ... who cares, need more coffee (Don't even approach me before cup #3).
Now I have that much. First I thought, wide and heavy box, but are those two copies? It was, I just expected the box to be thicker.
I haven't rummaged through the contents - you already know what there is and I'm gonna check, if everything is complete.
So, it took exactly one week from Poland to Germany - they share a border, but hey ...
As it looks, you have to write them an angry mail (unless you're not in the EU, since hell knows, when those distributors will start shipping) and make sure, your PM is locked and tight to get your goods. Sad thing, after all that wait, this shouldn't be necessary.
Now I don't want to paint the devil at the wall, but I shouldn't wonder, if the whole "close your PM" will be rince and repeat for wave two.

yeah,
Not sure why Prodos need a UK distributer?

Their online stores says it's based in the UK
At the very least they have an office in Leamington Spa?


obviously we can't trust any thing prodos say or write to know if this is true...

But it does seem odd that a company that set up the AVP KS listed as a UK company is searching for a UK distributer.

Panic...

Just a little something, to put Prodos to shame (as if such a thing was even remotely possible).

I've ordered me a copy of Warlords Terminator Genesys. Arrived rather quick, but the box got pretty beat up during transit.
Mailed them, provided them with a picture, now I'll get a new box (just the box) that I have to fold up. Quick response times and I must admit, I'm a happy customer.
Now for playing that bugger itself ...

Adding to that point my copy of avp arrived this morning (not a backer just bought online), upon opening it seems I have 10 stalker and 5 infant aliens. God knows who checks the components.

Packaging errors can happen, anywhere. Not just with the small companies.
I don't say that, because I now at least have my basegame, it's fact.

I'll even go that far to check through all, count every token and card, if it's all accounted for.

If I where you, I'd contact them, maybe send them a pic of the bags.
I'd see one of three scearios:
They ignore you - I'd doubt that.
They want you to return the whole game or at least the two bags and send out replacement.
They send you the missing minis and tell you, to keep the difference.

 Panic wrote:
yeah,
Not sure why Prodos need a UK distributer?

Their online stores says it's based in the UK
At the very least they have an office in Leamington Spa?

Spoiler:

prodos wrote:
CONTACT US
Prodos Games LTD
Unit 15
Neilston Street

CV31 2AZ
Leamington Spa
Email service@prodos.co.uk

obviously we can't trust any thing prodos say or write to know if this is true...

But it does seem odd that a company that set up the AVP KS listed as a UK company is searching for a UK distributer.

Panic...

It's not that odd. Prodos started out in the UK but moved their casting to Poland (the printers were already in Poland IIRC) a while back and their packing and shipping followed.. because warehouses are apparently a fair bit cheaper over there. Now all orders from Prodos come direct from Poland, with Rob and co still at the "head office" in the UK.