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 Kosake wrote:
Found this here:



I think that's a 1:1 scale battlewagon with deffrolla.

Who and why is this being made. That's not even something GW would put at their HQ, its more like a movie prop.

 Bonzofever wrote:
Hammer of Wrath would be totally USELESS for Orks. Additional S3 hits can't make the difference in close combat.
GW should let us have something to increase their survivability instead...

Like a waaagh every turn ????

Hmm.. the bikes moving out of Troops would tie into this rumour that Wazdakka might be going awol. Will be a real shame if it turns out to be true.

The Codex always comes out the week before the last set of releases so that you can get the codex when all the new models have been publicly announced.

By this reasoning it means that if we are getting the codex on the third week, we are getting four weeks of ork releases, so that they can bring out more stuff than a normal release, since Orks have been 'neglected' for so long.

This supports they idea that, there will be Deffkoptas (also the old model is discontinued) and tanbustas/kommados. Although probably no buggies because although they are old they do have a plastic kit.

This would put the release at 6 kits and some characters. Only one more kit than Space Marines got.

 Orock wrote:

 Kosake wrote:
Found this here:

I think that's a 1:1 scale battlewagon with deffrolla.

Who and why is this being made. That's not even something GW would put at their HQ, its more like a movie prop.

Seafloor mining.

It's shocking how much it looks like a battlewagon. The builders are in the UK, so we should expect a C&D letter from GW any day now.

Hammer of Wrath would be ded killy!

Even 10 boyz is gettin a marine squished wiv it!

There are two things that I am worried about rules wise. First of all, If they drop the looted wagon, I¨m going to be very annoyed, since I don't want to run mine as a "counts as" IG Bassilisk.
Secondly, I really hope that at least some type Ork warboss on a bike makes it in, or my FW Biker boss miniature is only able to be used as a FW special character before he is even built.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
Hmm.. the bikes moving out of Troops would tie into this rumour that Wazdakka might be going awol. Will be a real shame if it turns out to be true.

That would make me a sad panda. I have an ork army but only 2 'real' troops choices (grots). The rest is all bikes (30-40 of the suckers).

Previous page was full of Ork literature.

I just can't resist and I need to recommend you this:

This is so orky and funny:



Have fun

 Bonzofever wrote:
Hammer of Wrath would be totally USELESS for Orks. Additional S3 hits can't make the difference in close combat.
GW should let us have something to increase their survivability instead...

I wouldn't thumb my nose at this, the benefit of hammer of wrath is that it happens first, every model we kill with it potentially saves an Ork or two, which can equate to 8 more attacks in the first round

 Bonzofever wrote:
Hammer of Wrath would be totally USELESS for Orks. Additional S3 hits can't make the difference in close combat.
GW should let us have something to increase their survivability instead...

Are... are you kidding? Hammer of Wrath would be INCREDIBLE for Orks!

What's our MAIN HUGE WEAKNESS in close combat? Low Initiative.

Hammer of Wrath would give your Boyz a huge number of auto-hitting S3 attacks at I10, before anyone has a chance to counter-attack in close combat! That's huge! Yeah Hammer of Wrath might not be a big deal when you're talking about a squad of 5 Nob Bikers as it is now. But with a mob of ~15ish Boyz? With that many Hammer of Wrath hits, you could even do a wound or two to a Monstrous Creature!

The only problem is getting enough Boyz in B2B contact to pull off a huge number of hits. In a good-sized mob though, I'd imagine you'd be able to get 6-8 fairly regularly, unless you only made your Charge roll by the skin of your teef.

I don't know if we're getting enough in BTB to be 'incredible' before a consolidation. It's too bad it's not within 2" instead.

It depends on how close you are when you charge.

If you are lucky you could get 15-20 Hammer of Wrath hits.

NamelessBard wrote:
I don't know if we're getting enough in BTB to be 'incredible' before a consolidation. It's too bad it's not within 2" instead.

Be interesting if the ones with in 2 inches that did not make into base to base added to the strength of the hammer of wrath hit. The ones behind push the ones forward.

Hammer of wrath on dredds is fun, killed a marine with a dredd charge last week.

Re-watching the BoW video, it sounds as if you only get HoW with Greenskin Hordes if you have more than ten models in the unit and you roll 10" or more on your charge range.

So that's a 1/6 chance of activating an underwhelming rule? Just changed from 'sort of handy, sometimes' to 'why even bother writing the rule?'

But can you reroll one of the dice? Ala "ere we go" from the Flashgits leak?

Anyone want to give me a summary of what BoW said for Ork Rumors? I've got the Stompa in the Codex bit.

 pretre wrote:
Anyone want to give me a summary of what BoW said for Ork Rumors? I've got the Stompa in the Codex bit.

Formation - 'ork warband' - warboss, mek, unit of nobs, six boys mobs, one unit of grots. Gives Boss of the Waaagh! Greenskin Hordes and Stampede rules.

Boss of the Waaagh! Lets you re-roll your warlord trait if taken as a primary detachment.

Greenskin Hordes. "Evey unit with ten or more models in the detachment gains the Hammer of Wrath special rule... and in every assault phase in which is successfuly charges an enemy unit the dice rolled for it's charge range in ten or more before modifers..." The wording here is confusing; not sure if it means that Hammer of Wrath only works if you roll ten or more, or if there was another rule which got cut out.

Stampede! If the formation's warboss is your warlord, he can use his Waaagh! special rule each and every turn after the first. This implies that warbosses have a special rule called 'Waaagh!' which usually can't be used every turn.

Detachment 'ork horde'. HQ, three troops, elite, fast attack, heavy support, fortification and Lord of War. Gives Greenskin Hordes and Boss of the Waaagh! Not sure if 'elite, fast attack and heavy support' was meant to mean one of each is compulsory.

Nothing else new, I think.

 Perfect Organism wrote:
Re-watching the BoW video, it sounds as if you only get HoW with Greenskin Hordes if you have more than ten models in the unit and you roll 10" or more on your charge range.

So that's a 1/6 chance of activating an underwhelming rule? Just changed from 'sort of handy, sometimes' to 'why even bother writing the rule?'

This is from a company that put the squig hopper into its current state, and gave the poor swines a special rule that needs a triple six to activate, and even then provides a single S3 (IIRC?) impact hit. A whole line of text that may as well not be there for all the good it does.

Murrdox wrote:
Are... are you kidding? Hammer of Wrath would be INCREDIBLE for Orks!

What's our MAIN HUGE WEAKNESS in close combat? Low Initiative.

Hammer of Wrath would give your Boyz a huge number of auto-hitting S3 attacks at I10, before anyone has a chance to counter-attack in close combat! That's huge! Yeah Hammer of Wrath might not be a big deal when you're talking about a squad of 5 Nob Bikers as it is now. But with a mob of ~15ish Boyz? With that many Hammer of Wrath hits, you could even do a wound or two to a Monstrous Creature!

The only problem is getting enough Boyz in B2B contact to pull off a huge number of hits. In a good-sized mob though, I'd imagine you'd be able to get 6-8 fairly regularly, unless you only made your Charge roll by the skin of your teef.

Sure, I10 S3 hits sound great, but I think sending 15 boyz against a 5-man tactical marines squad is enough as is, no need for HoW.
Anyway, if you kill the enemy unit on your turn, the next turn your boyz are as good as dead... Sometimes it's better to remain in close combat to block LoS and finish them off during opponent's turn.
A good thing would be allowing the Orks to go back to the old rule, when you could charge another enemy unit when the enemy unit was destroyed at the end of assault phase.

I hope you can still use bikes as troops....

 Perfect Organism wrote:

Greenskin Hordes. "Evey unit with ten or more models in the detachment gains the Hammer of Wrath special rule... and in every assault phase in which is successfuly charges an enemy unit the dice rolled for it's charge range in ten or more before modifers..." The wording here is confusing; not sure if it means that Hammer of Wrath only works if you roll ten or more, or if there was another rule which got cut out.

That is decidedly less impressive and pretty much useless, especially if that special rule is specific to this "Formation".

This sounds suspiciously like a Dataslate special rule. Does this mean that with 7th edition codexes, they're ditching the idea of these separate purchases for dataslates, and are adding them into the main rulebook as "Formations" instead?

 Dez wrote:
I hope you can still use bikes as troops....

Me too, coming from an evil sunz player.. love my bikes.

 Karl Hammer wrote:
There is a discrepancy between the WD text and the table listings of the G/M-naughts. In the text they say that the (2) rokkit launchas are TL, whereas the TL entry is not listed in the tables. The models themselves seem to have the rokkits in pairs perhaps suggesting they are TL...although that may be completely irrelevant. While the overall conclusion wouldn't be substantially changed, having (2) TL rokkit launchas would certainly help.

maybe that's not the way to answer, but I'll give it a try nonetheless: look at the model
it has 4 Rokkits, and 4 Big Shootas
therefore, I would say that both are TL

Murrdox wrote:

 Perfect Organism wrote:

Greenskin Hordes. "Evey unit with ten or more models in the detachment gains the Hammer of Wrath special rule... and in every assault phase in which is successfuly charges an enemy unit the dice rolled for it's charge range in ten or more before modifers..." The wording here is confusing; not sure if it means that Hammer of Wrath only works if you roll ten or more, or if there was another rule which got cut out.

That is decidedly less impressive and pretty much useless, especially if that special rule is specific to this "Formation".

This sounds suspiciously like a Dataslate special rule. Does this mean that with 7th edition codexes, they're ditching the idea of these separate purchases for dataslates, and are adding them into the main rulebook as "Formations" instead?

I don't think they will ditch the idea of separate purchases for dataslates, but are likely to include a couple in a codex and then make you buy more. In a way this is more to give players a flavour of what they can have by spending just a bit more money. After all when would GW ever pass up on the option to sell extra stuff, with little or no development cost which is immediately appealing to everyone.

 Dez wrote:
I hope you can still use bikes as troops....

Well I,m resigned to losing my lobba's and cannons, unless I can use forgeworld rules.
Don't like the nauts one bit. The new guns are meh. He's hoping that's the worst of it.

 loki old fart wrote:

 Dez wrote:
I hope you can still use bikes as troops....

Well I,m resigned to losing my lobba's and cannons, unless I can use forgeworld rules.

I don't think either of those things is going away.

 boredbeard wrote:
Previous page was full of Ork literature.

I just can't resist and I need to recommend you this:

This is so orky and funny:

Spoiler:

Have fun

This has been chilling in my Amazon Wishlist ever since I caught wind of Ork rumours. There's also Defenders of Ultramar, which, although focuses on Ultrasmurfs, has fantastic artwork and Orks in it.

Oh how I wish there were more Ork stories..

Does Furious Charge add to Hammer of Wrath?

 Mr Morden wrote:
Does Furious Charge add to Hammer of Wrath?

I'd have to double check but I'm pretty sure HoW goes off a model's unmodified strength.