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Da Butcha wrote:

I'd love to see Flak missiles for Long Fangs, but if they do a Knight-sized wolf I might actually resort to a table flip.

Oh it could be great- imagine a creature with paws the size of dreadnoughts, a massive maw and bold wolf styling. It is an all mechanical style that sits between the Wolf riders and the Daemonsteeds of Khorne.

Atop this mighty beast is a Thunderwolf strapped into an elaborate piloting rig with a rider astride it.

Rather than anything fancy, the SW simply call it- the Lightningwolf cavalry.

Again, thinking about comparisons to AoBR:

Each comes with an Ork character and Marine character (unnamed in AoBR, named in this one, but that doesn't necessarily make much difference), 10 PA marines, 5 termies, and 5 Nobs.

AoBR also came with a Dreadnought, 20 Boyz, and 3 Deffkoptaz... the new set replaces all of them with... 3 Kanz and 10 grots. Still seems like a value drop, given that 3 Kanz are priced the same as one Dreadnought. That said, the new set probably has much nicer sculpts, as well as more bits, if it is basically the sprues from the relevant boxes, rather than starter-only monopose sprues.


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I am still thinking it may be worth picking up, but I will most likely wait till we have definite info on any Space Wolves codex update.

 Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
If so, it's decent value, but surely it will be the snap-together Nobz...

That would require the creation of a whole new mould just for the Nobz. And why would the Nobz be snap together but not anything else?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
If so, it's decent value, but surely it will be the snap-together Nobz...

That would require the creation of a whole new mould just for the Nobz. And why would the Nobz be snap together but not anything else?

Edit: as the pics show, you're right. Good .

Have to say that's a really disappointing Ork force. Grotz, not boyz? Wut?

I've just started some orks, and this box set makes me sad. I wanted to get some boyz in the box set. Bit disappointed in the contents personally. Seems good value though

Here are some pictures of the two forces in the Starterset I saw on Facebook:

Orks



Space Wolves



In the Space Wolves picture it says on the bottom that the box indeed contains a small rulebook as well as a campaign supplement.

I'm sure I read that it had 10 Gretchin and 'ork boyz' as a separate thing, but with no idea of how many. They surely will put at least a squad of boyz in?

Also, is that warboss sitting on a squig? Looks quite cool

 Malthor wrote:
Here are some pictures of the two forces in the Starterset I saw on Facebook:

Orks



Space Wolves



In the Space Wolves picture it says on the bottom that the box indeed contains a small rulebook as well as a campaign supplement.

I like what I see. It looks like they're moving towards just repackaging existing stock rather than creating entirely new stuff just for the starters.

Grrrr.... i converted my AOBR warboss with a buzz-saw claw... now he's going to look like he's stock

Convert him to a Big Mek with Killsaw, maybe? So much goodness in the new dex.

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
Again, thinking about comparisons to AoBR:

Each comes with an Ork character and Marine character (unnamed in AoBR, named in this one, but that doesn't necessarily make much difference), 10 PA marines, 5 termies, and 5 Nobs.

AoBR also came with a Dreadnought, 20 Boyz, and 3 Deffkoptaz... the new set replaces all of them with... 3 Kanz and 10 grots. Still seems like a value drop, given that 3 Kanz are priced the same as one Dreadnought. That said, the new set probably has much nicer sculpts, as well as more bits, if it is basically the sprues from the relevant boxes, rather than starter-only monopose sprues.


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I am still thinking it may be worth picking up, but I will most likely wait till we have definite info on any Space Wolves codex update.

You get a campaign book instead though. Not as great for new players, but I already have a large ork army and my uncle a large space wolves one. New, different missions to play are great for us, whereas new models not quite as much.

Confirmation of rules is awesome, definitely getting this!

Wow! That's a terribly unrepresentative ork force vs. a fairly reasonable SW one. A small force of 10 Grey Hunters and 5 Wolf Guard seems rational, but an Ork force of 10 Grots, 5 Nobs, and 3 Kans? Whaaaaa?

Admittedly, I needed 3 Kans since the unit size went to 6, and I can always use more grots and nobs, so I will probably get it. Wish I knew a SW player who wanted the Wolves but didn't want a small format rulebook.

I do think that (especially as the entire line transitions to plastic) that the idea of using existing models instead of new molds for starter boxes isn't bad. It's surely a way to get the old guard to buy old models, true, but it does save them money on development, and they could start thinking of all sprues as 'general release' sprues, rather than making some beautiful models (or necessary ones, like koptas) that are only available in one particular combination. I mean, wouldn't most CSM players have been happy to be able to buy a box of 10 Cultists, or a box of 5 Chosen, as needed?

So...what is everyone thinking the price of this biatch is gonna be?


Scratch that. I forgot the grey hunters box actually has 10 bros in it.

Purportedly the price is $135.

 cincydooley wrote:
So...what is everyone thinking the price of this biatch is gonna be?


Scratch that. I forgot the grey hunters box actually has 10 bros in it.

100 euros/80 quid/135 bucks or thereabouts

So if it's at $135 does that actually offer any savings?

$50 for the Termis and $33 for they Grey Hunters.

I'm not quite sure on Orky prices though.

I like it.

Very pleased for the small rule book, the orks while making no sense from a game perspective will be absorbed into an existing army no probs and I dig the new warboss and the big squig.

The wolves I'll just sell though I might keep the new character as he's a very nice looking model and will make for good painting practice with his many little details.

The way they are armed and painted in the picture it's 5 grey hunters and 5 blood claws.

However, grey hunters all have bolsters/pistols/chain swords in their gear list so it matters not.

Da Butcha wrote:
Wow! That's a terribly unrepresentative ork force vs. a fairly reasonable SW one. A small force of 10 Grey Hunters and 5 Wolf Guard seems rational, but an Ork force of 10 Grots, 5 Nobs, and 3 Kans? Whaaaaa?

Admittedly, I needed 3 Kans since the unit size went to 6, and I can always use more grots and nobs, so I will probably get it. Wish I knew a SW player who wanted the Wolves but didn't want a small format rulebook.

I do think that (especially as the entire line transitions to plastic) that the idea of using existing models instead of new molds for starter boxes isn't bad. It's surely a way to get the old guard to buy old models, true, but it does save them money on development, and they could start thinking of all sprues as 'general release' sprues, rather than making some beautiful models (or necessary ones, like koptas) that are only available in one particular combination. I mean, wouldn't most CSM players have been happy to be able to buy a box of 10 Cultists, or a box of 5 Chosen, as needed?

I think this kit is leaning toward- Kill the Xenos idea lol. Saying that though, Killa Kans should give Wolf Guard a run for their money. Nobz should be able to take the Blood Claws/Grey Hunters no worries, Grotz are like the cultists from DV- cannon fodder. For those of you complaining that they should've used a different army from SM. 40K is pretty much all about Humanity's struggle against the alien, the mutant, the heretic. Makes sense to have the Emperor's Finest in each edition.

On a further note- the dice gods are fickle. Never really certain how a game will go.

 cincydooley wrote:
So if it's at $135 does that actually offer any savings?

$50 for the Termis and $33 for they Grey Hunters.

I'm not quite sure on Orky prices though.

Its about 50% off but it might not have all the option from the standard boxes though the two HQ's are unique to this box. It has a campaign booklet and Mini: The Rules.

Isn't the campaign book meant to just be some missions using the figures in the box, or is that something else?

Makes me wonder if they have decided they can't afford the tooling with fully unique contents for a starter. The other possibility is they want the flexibility to change the contents to keep things fresh and do more product tie ins/fill out some existing holes in product lines.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

I think this kit is leaning toward- Kill the Xenos idea lol. Saying that though, Killa Kans should give Wolf Guard a run for their money. Nobz should be able to take the Blood Claws/Grey Hunters no worries, Grotz are like the cultists from DV- cannon fodder. For those of you complaining that they should've used a different army from SM. 40K is pretty much all about Humanity's struggle against the alien, the mutant, the heretic. Makes sense to have the Emperor's Finest in each edition.

That is the best match up, of course, but when you consider things a little more tactically, I think the wolves massively have the edge. The Wolf Guard can take an AC or CML, and the GH can take dual Plasmas (and a pistol) so the Kans will get shot to bits. The Grots will be shot down as soon as some bolters get in range, and offer very little in return; they're cannon fodder, but without anything to really protect. The Nobs are no harder to kill than 10 boyz, and the CML will ID them. I think the Wolves have it here, especially given the options available to them; the Orks only get choice on the Nobs (CC or different CC) and the Kans (shooty-killy or killy-shooty), while the Wolf Guard can GH (which can be built as more Wolf Guard if you fancy a super-Elite army) can be kitted out to take on almost anything with ease.

In terms of utility, SW win as well, everyone needs more PA SW and Termies. Orks really got the raw end of the deal here, I think.

That is the least exciting box set they could have done. From the Wolf perspective, Wolf Guard terminators aren't that great. You could, in theory, kit them out as two Lone Wolves with SS/CF or SS/TH which would wreck the kans and then make the remaining three two Sgts for the 2x 5man grey hunters (lol, blood claws...) and build Arjac.

Thus you could have a smash face wolf list that would just walk over that amount of orks.

But just common models without neat sculpts? Tepid.

It could be a consequence of a 2 rather than a 4 year cycle (if this is going to be the case going forward too),

not enough time to make it worth cutting a specific sprue

or this may be a once of stop gap for the same reason

Seriqolm wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
So if it's at $135 does that actually offer any savings?

$50 for the Termis and $33 for they Grey Hunters.

I'm not quite sure on Orky prices though.

Its about 50% off but it might not have all the option from the standard boxes though the two HQ's are unique to this box. It has a campaign booklet and Mini: The Rules.

All prices USD
Nobz $25
Gretchen $16.50
Kanz $46.25

WolfGuard Termi $50
10 Spacewolves $37.25

Total $175

Add in the two special charactors and some combination of rules or campaign and its a pretty good deal if its around $135

UltraPrime wrote:

 Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
If so, it's decent value, but surely it will be the snap-together Nobz, which are pretty useless and fetch pennies on eBay.

I use them as 'Ard Boyz.

Compare the picture to the one on the GW webstore. It's the same models as the normal Nobz boxed set. The same is true for the grots, the Wolf Guard, and the power armored Space Wolves. I'm pretty sure these won't be the garbage snap-fit models of the Black Reach, Assault on Macragge, and 2nd edition boxed set days.

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
Makes me wonder if they have decided they can't afford the tooling with fully unique contents for a starter. The other possibility is they want the flexibility to change the contents to keep things fresh and do more product tie ins/fill out some existing holes in product lines.

Part of me thinks it's to get away from having cheap models in starters. Given that I can go on ebay and make a 1500 point DA army from DV for about £50, they probably want to cut down on that potential so that (according to their theory) I buy it from them at full price. Of course, this is stupid; the starters get more people into the hobby and are probably among the best-selling products, but as it involves sales from which GW get no money, I can see them trying their utmost to eliminate it.

Hell, if they could stop their stuff being sold second-hand at all, I bet they would.