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It would not be so bad if they had not done such a shoddy and shockingly lazy job on the Inquisiton Codex....

I dislike most of the GK non Marine models - the flyer and the babycarrier being truely offensive in my eyes...........only matched by the Taurox and the Centurions - I had dreaded what rubbish the new Codex would inflict - Knight Titans carrrying Babycarriers or such like.....

I don't think Assassins should have been in the GK Codex - they should have been in a Imperial Agents Codex (covering a wide variety of Imperial operatives and agencies) and not the copy paste job that the new "codex" is likely to be.

Yeah well this is ridiculous.

I dig that IG and the occasional Smurf wants to have an Assassin at his side as well. But stripping the assassins away from the GK codex (which otherwise already is pretty mundane without additional flavor) and selling it separately as an army book that contains 4 units is plain money robbing

 Sir Arun wrote:
Yeah well this is ridiculous.

I dig that IG and the occasional Smurf wants to have an Assassin at his side as well. But stripping the assassins away from the GK codex (which otherwise already is pretty mundane without additional flavor) and selling it separately as an army book that contains 4 units is plain money robbing

Nothing new here. Assassins have been in a strange place ever since 3rd edition.

 dementedwombat wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
Yeah well this is ridiculous.

I dig that IG and the occasional Smurf wants to have an Assassin at his side as well. But stripping the assassins away from the GK codex (which otherwise already is pretty mundane without additional flavor) and selling it separately as an army book that contains 4 units is plain money robbing

Nothing new here. Assassins have been in a strange place ever since 3rd edition.

I believe that was also a 30 page book similar in size to the old craftworlds codex and sold for like $15

I don't have any personal experience with the book itself other than knowledge of its existence (that awesome cover was staring at me whenever I went into the local hobby shop as a kid). The wiki style article I pulled the picture from states 24 pages, so that sounds about right. I couldn't give you a retail price though.

I was mostly just pointing out that a book consisting of only the four assassins has been done before. Here's hoping we get rules in the inevitable supplement for the other types invented for the Heresy books that have never hit the table (I believe there was something like an information warfare specialist and a poison specialist) but I won't hold my breath for that.

Personally, I wouldn't mind Assassins not to be in the GK Codex anymore, because .. let's face it, Codex Grey Knights should be about Grey Knights. I like the idea of selling minor "add-on" supplements like Inquisition or various Marine Chapters for a sort of mix-and-match style army building with elements that don't really make for an army of their own, but are useful to add on other armies with a proper, larger Codex, or change the way said armies are played.

That being said, the layout of said supplements is atrocious, the free space created by removing said units from the combined Codex is not used for something good, and I think they cost too much, so ... meh. Good idea, lousy execution.

If they removed assassins and Inquisitors, they should have added something else in. This is lazy even by GW standards.

 Sir Arun wrote:

 dementedwombat wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
Yeah well this is ridiculous.

I dig that IG and the occasional Smurf wants to have an Assassin at his side as well. But stripping the assassins away from the GK codex (which otherwise already is pretty mundane without additional flavor) and selling it separately as an army book that contains 4 units is plain money robbing

Nothing new here. Assassins have been in a strange place ever since 3rd edition.

I believe that was also a 30 page book similar in size to the old craftworlds codex and sold for like $15

It was free with your purchase of White Dwarf when it was first released

There was also a 2nd edition Codex Assassins that used the same artwork.

actualy as dementedwombat wrote they were codexes, and i believe that removeing them from GK is a right choice . about the codex realeses if they are not from the same person they can crated in same time and realsed even the same day, its a sing of better financial than worse. now if they are from same person is bad sign,,,,,
i hope GW stay well, its a big company and i love w40k, i wont want to lose it
aslo i wanted to reales a BA codex, GK werent in that problem for nerf/buff when BA realy need a buff (comperad to the other SM)

 Pada wrote:
actualy as dementedwombat wrote they were codexes, and i believe that removeing them from GK is a right choice . about the codex realeses if they are not from the same person they can crated in same time and realsed even the same day, its a sing of better financial than worse. now if they are from same person is bad sign,,,,,
i hope GW stay well, its a big company and i love w40k, i wont want to lose it
aslo i wanted to reales a BA codex, GK werent in that problem for nerf/buff when BA realy need a buff (comperad to the other SM)

how would you feel if they removed your kroot, kroothounds, krootoxen and vespids and sold these 4 units separately in a 30 quid xeno mercenaries book?

we should had many other models, like krootox and batlesuits mostly
about their removal, well i would like of couse but here is a problem : kroot are mercenaries at their most part, logicaly they souldnt be in my codex but in a seperate one ( whith will be batle-brothers with every one ) but dont say it outside because if GW hear it........ new codex: kroot will come.......
seriously now : if they only remove and dont put anything... well i dont know maybe use tau as allies only? i see that GK go in that way, good allies , not good stand-alone force...........
its a strange thing if you see SM codex

I hardly think GKs are a codex that can "only be allies" even if the worst rumors are true and no buffs come.
that said I think the GKs would benifit from taking their own allies.

I'm thinking that guard might work nicely for the grey knights.

Maybe take a tank command to get you some russes, a token vetern squad, and then maybe some Wyvrens to help break up blobs.

i dont play GK , i said only from the reactions that i saw so maybe you have more righr as in my place are no many players
but still taking allies is still not a stand alone codex

 Crimson Devil wrote:
On the bright side. All of the codexes should be out before they declare bankruptcy. Probably still won't have my Bretonnian book by then though.

Considering the quality of new GW releases, maybe you should consider yourself lucky than
The lack of attention for WHFB may actually be for the better. At the very least it makes WHFB more stable and balanced than 40k.

 Pada wrote:
i dont play GK , i said only from the reactions that i saw so maybe you have more righr as in my place are no many players
but still taking allies is still not a stand alone codex

many stand alone codexes benifit from allies. saying "I think this would be a great allied force for this codex" is something people say about every codex. I mean plenty of people run both Marines and IG with allies, and those are two of the most tatically flexable books in the game

It's happened before that a new codex comes out with few or no new options. Or that a codex loses options as well as gaining new ones.

But this has never happened: a Codex coming out with fewer options that doesn't replace the lost options with anything else. Losing Inq you effectively lost half your army (for some people) and it's not piking replaced by anything else.

Unprecedented is the word.

This hits me strongly, because I was working on a GK army when I quit (around the beginning of 7th edition). I just decided, feth it. Good thing too because if I'd continued playing, it would have been quite a waste of money and I'd have quit at this point anyway. A snazzy cover doesn't make up for this crap.

 Mysterious Pants wrote:
A snazzy cover doesn't make up for this crap.

This a thousand times over.

I will continue to use my old GK codex (that also has a nice cover) + Errata with my gaming group. I dont play in tourneys and feth pickup games anyway. They are a trainwreck in 7th edition to begin with.

 Crimson Devil wrote:
On the bright side. All of the codexes should be out before they declare bankruptcy. Probably still won't have my Bretonnian book by then though.

My blood angels know the feels.

Ehh, they are my main army and I'm finding it hard to want this book. When you think back to what was in the Daemon Hunters book you had rules for inducted forces, Grey Knights, Inq forces,Assassins, Radical lists with summoned Daemons, painting and conversion tips and even some scenarios. From the sounds of things this book just feels empty. Hopefully the rules make up for everything. I really want to do a GK+Tempestus force.

 Opeth30 wrote:
Ehh, they are my main army and I'm finding it hard to want this book. When you think back to what was in the Daemon Hunters book you had rules for inducted forces, Grey Knights, Inq forces,Assassins, Radical lists with summoned Daemons, painting and conversion tips and even some scenarios. From the sounds of things this book just feels empty. Hopefully the rules make up for everything. I really want to do a GK+Tempestus force.

fun idea there, Grey Knights and Inqusitional stormtroopers?

 MWHistorian wrote:
If they removed assassins and Inquisitors, they should have added something else in. This is lazy even by GW standards.

Its the EA approach, copy paste everything, put in the minimal required effort, and slap on a "premium" price tag. The brainless will buy without question, the smart will get it without paying much or at all. The dexes are printed in china, there is no way they are worth $50 or $60 (or $120 like the LE ones). I have dozens of 100+ page full colour hard back comics and books and not a single one is over $30 unless its gigantic sized, and even then.

I just pulled one off my shelf, a collection of old horror movie posters and random stuff, 212 pages, hardback all colour, $32.95. Printed in china.

]fun idea there, Grey Knights and Inqusitional stormtroopers?

Indeed, the orders are too nice to pass up plus access to valks. I always ran my henchmen as not-stormtroopers.

The terribly poor artwork alone should inform you of how lackluster this release will be.

The old codex Daemonhunters was imo a far superior concept. Despite being vastly underpowered during it's last few years it allowed people to play in a nice variety of ways and spared us from crap like Dreadknights, Paladins, Purifiers and the like (we are totaly and completely pure Grey Knights, but the guys next door are even purer, and the Paladins are even more pure and... *puke*).

This board is starting to become becoming a parody of itself.

How so?

 Blacksails wrote:
Its not like the GK codex took any work or effort.

Might as well burn $30, tear out pages from your existing book that no longer exist in the new one, and sharpie the new points costs.

Zing! I wonder how much more GW will burn out of the last remaining vestige of interest I have in the setting with this codex. PurityClaws for the new PurityMarine discovered on PurityIsles with his PurityFocus?

 Las wrote:
This board is starting to become becoming a parody of itself.

Games Workshop is becoming a parody of the Imperium of Man at least.

 SHUPPET wrote:
How so?

You don't even need to open a thread anymore to know what tone or content is being regurgitated in the discussion. It's tiring.

I'm quite happy with the new (and temporary?) speed of releases.
If we followed the old way I would probably get my BA and Cron-Codex a month or two before 8th hits us in a couple of years.

 SHUPPET wrote:
The terribly poor artwork alone should inform you of how lackluster this release will be.

Pretty subjective, I think that codex looks bad-ass and I hate marines of all flavours...