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Davor wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
They will never have all the codexes come out at the same time.
That would be terrible for sales.

What like now?

Who ever I was answering commented that 8th edition and EVERY codex should drop at the same time.

Codex releases are spread out for multiple reasons, some are just physically practical, but mostly it's so they can hype each codex release and tempt us to try a new army EVERY time a codex is released.

Releasing new codexes all at once would be detrimental to sales of each. People would just pick their favorite faction, or the most competitive codex, and not buy the rest.

For people who only buy a single codex, they won't get that, or at least care for it, but a lot of us verterens buy damn near every codex, as they are released.

At best, we would get a Black Codex, like 2nd edition, or amry list summeries, like they did when 3rd edition released.

GW's best bet financially, if they release an 8th edition, is to release a ruleset that does not invalidate the current codexes with an errata booklet for any neccesary changes, and then release updated codexes.

Anyone with a force other than Space Marines, Craftworld Eldar, Space Wolves, and Necrons would probably appreciate an updated codex anyways.

Just because this is GW's concept of selling stuff doesn't mean that other concepts won't work.

But GW's concept is the problem why most people are complaining about the rules.

In best case scenario you get 6 months were all factions have content for the current edition
worst case is that the factions rules are spread over 3 editions.

Of course this system works good to sell stuff, but it also is the reason why lot of players are leaving after they have seen 2 edition changes and instead of buying all books, the buy 0.

tneva82 wrote:

Requizen wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

Nvs wrote:
What makes you think they'll kill off Ahriman? I could see if it there was another Tzeentch CSM special character, but I doubt they'd do that.

Thousand Sons only need one boss man. Ahriman is finecast. Magnus will be plastic.

Ahriman doesn't control the Thousand Sons, he has a Warband called The Prodigal Sons that was banished from the Planet of Sorcerers where Magnus rules. Magnus hates Ahriman, so unless he randomly shows up to help the Space Wolves, we won't see him die.

GW can easily put him randomly there to kill him off though.

Depending on how much they want to change they could easily start killing off finecast characters. Too many models on sales isn't that effective and finecast is bit of a failure so wanting to reduce those isn't impossible.

GW can create all sort of weird storylines to kill off characters they want. 2 years ago who would have thought Teclis would help Malekith to become Phoenix king?

There was a burst of light and then a figure appeared. It was Ahriman the Chief Librarian of the Thousand Sons!

"I am here to claim all the secrets of The Fang!" said Ahriman evilly as he stepped out of the warp portal.

"I don't think so," growled Logan Grimnar wet leopardly.

Grimnar punched Ahriman's head off so hard that Slaanesh died and all the noise marines!

"It looks like from now on you'll be Ahriman the Fell-headed" said Logan Grimnar.

All the Space Wolves laughed.

The End.

Technically speaking, it is the time of ending allready, but as this point I'd welcome any truely bold decision from Geedubs.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Requizen wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

Nvs wrote:
What makes you think they'll kill off Ahriman? I could see if it there was another Tzeentch CSM special character, but I doubt they'd do that.

Thousand Sons only need one boss man. Ahriman is finecast. Magnus will be plastic.

Ahriman doesn't control the Thousand Sons, he has a Warband called The Prodigal Sons that was banished from the Planet of Sorcerers where Magnus rules. Magnus hates Ahriman, so unless he randomly shows up to help the Space Wolves, we won't see him die.

GW can easily put him randomly there to kill him off though.

Depending on how much they want to change they could easily start killing off finecast characters. Too many models on sales isn't that effective and finecast is bit of a failure so wanting to reduce those isn't impossible.

GW can create all sort of weird storylines to kill off characters they want. 2 years ago who would have thought Teclis would help Malekith to become Phoenix king?

There was a burst of light and then a figure appeared. It was Ahriman the Chief Librarian of the Thousand Sons!

"I am here to claim all the secrets of The Fang!" said Ahriman evilly as he stepped out of the warp portal.

"I don't think so," growled Logan Grimnar wet leopardly.

Grimnar punched Ahriman's head off so hard that Slaanesh died and all the noise marines!

"It looks like from now on you'll be Ahriman the Fell-headed" said Logan Grimnar.

All the Space Wolves laughed.

The End.

That made me spit my drink out. Exalted!

Sounds pretty much on the money.

What Chaos players need: Codex: Gods Legions, Codex: Legions Undivided, Codex: Renegades. What we going to get: Codex: Black Legion part IV, Codex Supplement: Black Legion Reloaded.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Requizen wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

Nvs wrote:
What makes you think they'll kill off Ahriman? I could see if it there was another Tzeentch CSM special character, but I doubt they'd do that.

Thousand Sons only need one boss man. Ahriman is finecast. Magnus will be plastic.

Ahriman doesn't control the Thousand Sons, he has a Warband called The Prodigal Sons that was banished from the Planet of Sorcerers where Magnus rules. Magnus hates Ahriman, so unless he randomly shows up to help the Space Wolves, we won't see him die.

GW can easily put him randomly there to kill him off though.

Depending on how much they want to change they could easily start killing off finecast characters. Too many models on sales isn't that effective and finecast is bit of a failure so wanting to reduce those isn't impossible.

GW can create all sort of weird storylines to kill off characters they want. 2 years ago who would have thought Teclis would help Malekith to become Phoenix king?

There was a burst of light and then a figure appeared. It was Ahriman the Chief Librarian of the Thousand Sons!

"I am here to claim all the secrets of The Fang!" said Ahriman evilly as he stepped out of the warp portal.

"I don't think so," growled Logan Grimnar wet leopardly.

Grimnar punched Ahriman's head off so hard that Slaanesh died and all the noise marines!

"It looks like from now on you'll be Ahriman the Fell-headed" said Logan Grimnar.

All the Space Wolves laughed.

The End.

I will accept this so long as Logan keeps that one-liner.

All of the CSM characters that are representative of a particular chaos god are "Renegades" and not strictly speaking legion conformists. It's an often overlooked detail but important to understanding the disconnect between GW's representation of CSM and the more legion-centric form the player base desires. The challenge with CSM has always been there are so many variations that it's a real challenge to include them all.

With the emergence of the Daemon Primarchs it opens up the possibility that these internal conflicts take centerstage. If the rumor of legion and renegade rule being separate and distinct are true the Daemon Primarchs maybe the characters for one while the current CSM characters are representative of the other.

 Yaraton wrote:
What Chaos players need: Codex: Gods Legions, Codex: Legions Undivided, Codex: Renegades. What we going to get: Codex: Black Legion part IV, Codex Supplement: Black Legion Reloaded.

Pretty much. They don't necessarily have to be separate books but they need to have distinct rules.

That's pretty much true.

Fabius? Doesn't hang with his Legion. More interested in making Super-Marines.

Ahriman? Banished by his Legion for fething everything up.

Kharn? Essentially broke his own legion up due to his own insanity.

Only Typhus and Failbaddon seem to be sticking with their Legions.

I thought typhus pretty much did his own thing at this point while Mortarion sits in the warp and tries to figure out how to get rid of scarring on his heart.

 adamsouza wrote:
For people who only buy a single codex, they won't get that, or at least care for it, but a lot of us verterens buy damn near every codex, as they are released.

Who the feth does that now? When a codex used to be $20 it was actually doable, but not when they're $50-60 a pop and they're being replaced within a year or two.

I still bought them at $50 a pop ($100 for the limited versions of the armies I played). Then they redid several books in less than two years... I stopped buying all books except for the few armies I have left that I play. The price is not worth the pictures, art, and fuff like it used to be.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

Thousand Sons only need one boss man. Ahriman is finecast. Magnus will be plastic.

You'll have a plastic Ahriman before you'll have a plastic Magnus. Probably painted in red though.

Sad Panda wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

Thousand Sons only need one boss man. Ahriman is finecast. Magnus will be plastic.

You'll have a plastic Ahriman before you'll have a plastic Magnus. Probably painted in red though.

Betrayal at Prospero confirmed!

Sad Panda wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

Thousand Sons only need one boss man. Ahriman is finecast. Magnus will be plastic.

You'll have a plastic Ahriman before you'll have a plastic Magnus. Probably painted in red though.

Wait... Ahriman is going to be in the TS v SW HH box?

Damn it Panda why do you tease us so .

Sad Panda wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

Thousand Sons only need one boss man. Ahriman is finecast. Magnus will be plastic.

You'll have a plastic Ahriman before you'll have a plastic Magnus. Probably painted in red though.

Sad Panda wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

Thousand Sons only need one boss man. Ahriman is finecast. Magnus will be plastic.

You'll have a plastic Ahriman before you'll have a plastic Magnus. Probably painted in red though.

Is it going to be explicitly Ahriman or is it going to be a somewhat generic looking Librarian, 30kified? :p

Well there goes my hope for Mk III armour. Also no Phall :(

Yeah, i remember someone saying something sbout Mark 3 being to much of a pain in plastic. Do we have any MK3 legs in plastic, now that I think about it?

 Crazyterran wrote:
Yeah, i remember someone saying something sbout Mark 3 being to much of a pain in plastic. Do we have any MK3 legs in plastic, now that I think about it?

Not that I can think of off-hand. I can see how that might be the case. Oh well, looks like my HH Era Imperial Fists will be in Mk IV armor if I decide to get them.

Plastic Ahriman, finally



Do we fight Space Wolves in the next board game? Or those Sissies of Silence, maybe?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
That's pretty much true.

Fabius? Doesn't hang with his Legion. More interested in making Super-Marines.

Ahriman? Banished by his Legion for fething everything up.

Kharn? Essentially broke his own legion up due to his own insanity.

Only Typhus and Failbaddon seem to be sticking with their Legions.

Typhus is known as The Traveler because he was sick (har) of Mortarion rotting on the Plague Planet, and decided to go out and spread the word (and sickness) of Nurgle.

And Abbaddon is TOTALLY distanced from his former legion, painting their armor black, being the only legion to change their name and considering Horus a fool.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:

And Abbaddon is TOTALLY distanced from his former legion, painting their armor black, being the only legion to change their name and considering Horus a fool.

The entire legion did that. They painted their armour black to mark the shame and grief of their defeat and then united under Abaddon. If there are still Sons of Horus (or even Luna Wolves) floating around out there as any kind of organisation then that's a new addition. Being unified is what sets the Black Legion apart from the others.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
That's pretty much true.

Fabius? Doesn't hang with his Legion. More interested in making Super-Marines.

Ahriman? Banished by his Legion for fething everything up.

Kharn? Essentially broke his own legion up due to his own insanity.

Only Typhus and Failbaddon seem to be sticking with their Legions.

Typhus is known as The Traveler because he was sick (har) of Mortarion rotting on the Plague Planet, and decided to go out and spread the word (and sickness) of Nurgle.

And Abbaddon is TOTALLY distanced from his former legion, painting their armor black, being the only legion to change their name and considering Horus a fool.

True but at the same time it's more of a Sons of horus reborn thing he has going on. So of all the characters, Abaddon and Typhus are probably still the closest to their legions.

Rosebuddy wrote:

 Nightlord1987 wrote:

And Abbaddon is TOTALLY distanced from his former legion, painting their armor black, being the only legion to change their name and considering Horus a fool.

The entire legion did that. They painted their armour black to mark the shame and grief of their defeat and then united under Abaddon. If there are still Sons of Horus (or even Luna Wolves) floating around out there as any kind of organisation then that's a new addition. Being unified is what sets the Black Legion apart from the others.

Word Bearers and Iron Warriors

Roknar wrote:

 Nightlord1987 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
That's pretty much true.

Fabius? Doesn't hang with his Legion. More interested in making Super-Marines.

Ahriman? Banished by his Legion for fething everything up.

Kharn? Essentially broke his own legion up due to his own insanity.

Only Typhus and Failbaddon seem to be sticking with their Legions.

Typhus is known as The Traveler because he was sick (har) of Mortarion rotting on the Plague Planet, and decided to go out and spread the word (and sickness) of Nurgle.

And Abbaddon is TOTALLY distanced from his former legion, painting their armor black, being the only legion to change their name and considering Horus a fool.

True but at the same time it's more of a Sons of horus reborn thing he has going on. So of all the characters, Abaddon and Typhus are probably still the closest to their legions.

Eh, there were barely any Sons of Horus left by the time Abaddon created the Black Legion, and he'd abandoned them and gone off on his own. He more created a legion from scratch out of anyone that would follow him than it being a SoH reborn thing.

There is mention of some in the black legion supplement. The Sons of the Eye, which are butthurt about abaddon being the leader. The wolves of Horus who got a bad case of nostalgia wanted to be luna wolves again and the True Sons who keep the traditions of the Sons of horus alive and still worship horus. The rest all seem to pretty much seem to have followed abaddon or at least accept his position as warlord. Those that are left anyway, quite a few must have died as they fell to depression and fighting other legions with no real goal beyond survival.

But he didn't build the Black Legion from the fraction of the SoH that were left after Terra and the Legion Wars, he built the Black Legion and most of them happened to join it. The Black Legion aren't the Sons of Horus. I would definitely count Abaddon as one of the Chaos leaders who left their former legion.

 ImAGeek wrote:
But he didn't build the Black Legion from the fraction of the SoH that were left after Terra and the Legion Wars, he built the Black Legion and most of them happened to join it.

At it's core it was all Black Legion(still sons of horus at that time). After that he started taking anybody in who would accept his leadership. No idea how much That core of SoH affects the legion as a whole though.