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If you could abort a Primarch to change history to favor the Imperium, which would you choose?
Lion El'Jonson 2% [ 11 ]
II 2% [ 9 ]
Fulgrim 4% [ 19 ]
Perturabo 1% [ 6 ]
Jaghatai Khan 0% [ 2 ]
Leman Russ 3% [ 17 ]
Rogal Dorn 1% [ 4 ]
Konrad Kurze 2% [ 8 ]
Sanguinius 2% [ 9 ]
Ferrus Manus 0% [ 1 ]
XI 3% [ 15 ]
Angron 2% [ 10 ]
Roboute Gilliman 5% [ 27 ]
Mortarian 0% [ 2 ]
Magnus the Red 4% [ 22 ]
Horus Lupercal 12% [ 62 ]
Lorgar Aurelian 53% [ 271 ]
Vulkan 0% [ 0 ]
Corvus Corax 0% [ 0 ]
Alpharius and Omegon 1% [ 6 ]
Even if the results would save quintillions of human lives, abortion is always wrong 2% [ 12 ]
Total Votes : 513
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You are an assassin of the Officio Assassinorum. By a miracle of technology, you have been teleported back in time and through space, and you are in the laboratory the Emperor is using to gestate the Primarchs. You have none of your gear, but all of your forum, RL knowledge of the Horus Heresy and within moments, you will be killed by the automated defenses of the lab. You have time to terminate the life support of exactly ONE Primarch tank before you are blown to atoms. For the might of the Imperium, which do you choose?

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 Jon Garrett wrote:
Perhaps not technically a Marine Chapter anymore, but the Flame Falcons would be pretty creepy to fight.

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"Right. Well, did you at least use the burnas?"

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from a RP standpoint it'd proably be Horus due to the visceral gut reaction it'll bring. but if I could make the choice knowing what I know, definatly Lorgar.

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BrianDavion wrote:
from a RP standpoint it'd proably be Horus due to the visceral gut reaction it'll bring. but if I could make the choice knowing what I know, definatly Lorgar.


I fixed the question for you. I hope you voted for Lorgar.

 Jon Garrett wrote:
Perhaps not technically a Marine Chapter anymore, but the Flame Falcons would be pretty creepy to fight.

"Boss, we waz out lookin' for grub when some of them Spice Marines showed up and shot all the lads."

"Right. Well, did you at least use the burnas?"

"We tried, but the gits was already on fire."

"...Kunnin'."
 
   
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Well with no Lorgar the whole Heresy probably wouldn't happen soooooo
   
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 EmpNortonII wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
from a RP standpoint it'd proably be Horus due to the visceral gut reaction it'll bring. but if I could make the choice knowing what I know, definatly Lorgar.


I fixed the question for you. I hope you voted for Lorgar.


heh I did, ther "horus if I knew nothing" was more of the obvious qualifier anyway

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Lorgar would be the obvious choice, but I voted Leman Russ just because I think a world where the Space Wolves didn't exist and didn't try to murder the Thousand Sons would be cool.

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I voted Horus because I feel that he is the key for Chaos and even without Lorgar, Erebus would probably still have a remote chance at getting his hands on Horus. A remote chance that chaos would have probably done anything to ensure it came to pass.

Erebus was definitely the true origin of the Heresy, Lorgar was merely a tool.

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I think either Lorgar or Horus would work. Lorgar, because he wouldn't be able to corrupt others, and Horus, because that would drastically reduce the scale of the Heresy and prevent others from being swayed. I voted for Lorgar though.

And the last option is hilarious. Plus the one vote for Roboute Gilliman

 King Pariah wrote:
I voted Horus because I feel that he is the key for Chaos and even without Lorgar, Erebus would probably still have a remote chance at getting his hands on Horus. A remote chance that chaos would have probably done anything to ensure it came to pass.

Erebus was definitely the true origin of the Heresy, Lorgar was merely a tool.

Yea, on the second thought Horus was the key since he was the most powerful and a mirror to the Emperor. And the whole thing's named after him. The Chaos gods would have found some way to corrupt him, either through Erebus or some other agent.

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He was not the golden lord. The Emperor will carry us to the stars, but never beyond them. My dreams will be lies, if a golden lord does not rise.

I look to the stars now, with the old scrolls burning runes across my memory. And I see my own hands as I write these words. Erebus and Kor Phaeron speak the truth.

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 EngulfedObject wrote:
I think either Lorgar or Horus would work. Lorgar, because he wouldn't be able to corrupt others, and Horus, because that would drastically reduce the scale of the Heresy and prevent others from being swayed. I voted for Lorgar though.

And the last option is hilarious. Plus the one vote for Roboute Gilliman



I actually think there could be a point to that vote. Not likely, since the voter probably just doesn't like Rowboat Girlyman, but I'll probably discuss my ideas tomorrow, after sleep and some beer.

 Jon Garrett wrote:
Perhaps not technically a Marine Chapter anymore, but the Flame Falcons would be pretty creepy to fight.

"Boss, we waz out lookin' for grub when some of them Spice Marines showed up and shot all the lads."

"Right. Well, did you at least use the burnas?"

"We tried, but the gits was already on fire."

"...Kunnin'."
 
   
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 EmpNortonII wrote:
I actually think there could be a point to that vote. Not likely, since the voter probably just doesn't like Rowboat Girlyman, but I'll probably discuss my ideas tomorrow, after sleep and some beer.

Well, after the Heresy the Legions wouldn't have split so that made be a strong point in favor of his abortion, depending on your view. But Lorgar would've been shamed by some other Legion so I don't think it makes a difference there.

And the Angels of Darkness descended on pinions of fire and light... the great and terrible dark angels.
He was not the golden lord. The Emperor will carry us to the stars, but never beyond them. My dreams will be lies, if a golden lord does not rise.

I look to the stars now, with the old scrolls burning runes across my memory. And I see my own hands as I write these words. Erebus and Kor Phaeron speak the truth.

My hands. They, too, are golden.
 
   
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 jreilly89 wrote:
Lorgar would be the obvious choice, but I voted Leman Russ just because I think a world where the Space Wolves didn't exist and didn't try to murder the Thousand Sons would be cool.


*cough* Horus's fault

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my guess it the vote for Gulliman is someone was thinking if he never existed Space Marines would never have been divided into tiny 1000 man chapters.

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Kavik_Whitescar wrote:
*cough* Horus's fault
What if you aborted Magnus instead? Functional Golden Throne and Imperial Webway!

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And the Angels of Darkness descended on pinions of fire and light... the great and terrible dark angels.
He was not the golden lord. The Emperor will carry us to the stars, but never beyond them. My dreams will be lies, if a golden lord does not rise.

I look to the stars now, with the old scrolls burning runes across my memory. And I see my own hands as I write these words. Erebus and Kor Phaeron speak the truth.

My hands. They, too, are golden.
 
   
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Knowing what I do now, Lorgar but in heat of the moment without knowledge of the universe itd be Horus without a doubt

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I voted Horus because the Chaos gods would have found a way to get to him, and with his death the Heresy wouldn't have had such success, or as cool a name.


But if I had time for 2 Rowboat would would have been a grease stain on the floor. Screw his codex

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I wonder if if it was Veteran Sargent who voted for Alpharius.

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Horus. You can make the argument that absent Lorgar Horus wouldn't have fallen, but absent Horus there's no clear favoured son who would be able to rile up as much support as he did.

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 EngulfedObject wrote:
Kavik_Whitescar wrote:
*cough* Horus's fault
What if you aborted Magnus instead? Functional Golden Throne and Imperial Webway!


According to A Thousand Sons Magnus would likely have been needed on the Golden Throne. So without Magnus there won't be a Functional Golden Throne nor an Emperor free to walk around doing stuffs he liked, sooooo....

Anyways I picked Logar just cause.
   
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Logar maybe people are right about horus, but bearing in mind horus was the greatest in the crusade without him the emperor would have been killed by an ork warlord IIRC. Ererus never would have got near horus without Logar. Though I can see the argument for both horus and Robute gulliman
   
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Without Lorgar, Erebus probably wouldn't be a chaplain/marine, just a religious zealot on a planet, who would not accept the Imperial Truth. Hence, he would have been taken diwn in order to obtain the compliance of said planet.

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I vote Horus, with out Horus I think Emperor will still be alive. Emperor is the key success for Imperium.

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 lcmiracle wrote:
According to A Thousand Sons Magnus would likely have been needed on the Golden Throne. So without Magnus there won't be a Functional Golden Throne nor an Emperor free to walk around doing stuffs he liked, sooooo....

Anyways I picked Logar just cause.
True but the Human Webway would still be accessible and Malcador would still be around to act as the Emperor's agent (since the Golden Throne didn't need to be occupied at all times before Magnus's psychic breach). Actually, that would mean the Emperor could walk around without leaving anyone on the Throne if he wasn't crippled by Horus.

 david choe wrote:
I vote Horus, with out Horus I think Emperor will still be alive. Emperor is the key success for Imperium.
Yea, I think so too. I'm beginning to regret voting for Lorgar.

And the Angels of Darkness descended on pinions of fire and light... the great and terrible dark angels.
He was not the golden lord. The Emperor will carry us to the stars, but never beyond them. My dreams will be lies, if a golden lord does not rise.

I look to the stars now, with the old scrolls burning runes across my memory. And I see my own hands as I write these words. Erebus and Kor Phaeron speak the truth.

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person67 wrote:
Logar maybe people are right about horus, but bearing in mind horus was the greatest in the crusade without him the emperor would have been killed by an ork warlord IIRC. Ererus never would have got near horus without Logar. Though I can see the argument for both horus and Robute gulliman


Why can you see an argument for Guilliman?

I voted Lorgar, I think him or Horus could work, but it seems sensible to cut it off at the source. Erebus mightttt have still had some sway but I don't think he'd have been in the position to had it not been for Lorgar.
   
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 david choe wrote:
I vote Horus, with out Horus I think Emperor will still be alive. Emperor is the key success for Imperium.


Were Horus removed, Chaos would have simply corrupted another Primarch in his place.

Erebus is the actual source of the Horus Heresy.

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 Wyzilla wrote:
 david choe wrote:
I vote Horus, with out Horus I think Emperor will still be alive. Emperor is the key success for Imperium.


Were Horus removed, Chaos would have simply corrupted another Primarch in his place.

Erebus is the actual source of the Horus Heresy.

Hense Erebus would have never gone down that path had Lorgar been removed.

Though Chaos would have still found a way...

 
   
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 Wyzilla wrote:
Were Horus removed, Chaos would have simply corrupted another Primarch in his place.

Erebus is the actual source of the Horus Heresy.
Yes but would this other Primarch be as powerful as Horus and would the Emperor hesitate when fighting him? The reason the Emperor was crippled was because he couldn't bring himself to strike down his favored son.

And the Angels of Darkness descended on pinions of fire and light... the great and terrible dark angels.
He was not the golden lord. The Emperor will carry us to the stars, but never beyond them. My dreams will be lies, if a golden lord does not rise.

I look to the stars now, with the old scrolls burning runes across my memory. And I see my own hands as I write these words. Erebus and Kor Phaeron speak the truth.

My hands. They, too, are golden.
 
   
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 EngulfedObject wrote:
 Wyzilla wrote:
Were Horus removed, Chaos would have simply corrupted another Primarch in his place.

Erebus is the actual source of the Horus Heresy.
Yes but would this other Primarch be as powerful as Horus and would the Emperor hesitate when fighting him? The reason the Emperor was crippled was because he couldn't bring himself to strike down his favored son.


Considering that Horus is a wus compared to his Primarch brethren outside of tactical prowess? Yeah, the HH could have been a lot worse if somebody else fell, like Magnus or Vulkan becoming the champion of Chaos. Also, it should be noted that Horus wasn't even supposed to win. Chaos chose him as a sacrificial lamb to wound the Emperor badly enough that he could not continue to fight, but still hold on to enough strength to hold the Imperium together in a somewhat stable state. The Chaos Gods never wanted to fully destroy the Imperium, otherwise there would be no eternal war to amuse themselves with.

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 ImAGeek wrote:
person67 wrote:
Logar maybe people are right about horus, but bearing in mind horus was the greatest in the crusade without him the emperor would have been killed by an ork warlord IIRC. Ererus never would have got near horus without Logar. Though I can see the argument for both horus and Robute gulliman


Why can you see an argument for Guilliman?

I voted Lorgar, I think him or Horus could work, but it seems sensible to cut it off at the source. Erebus mightttt have still had some sway but I don't think he'd have been in the position to had it not been for Lorgar.


mostly codex astartes hate. people tend to forget Gulliman pretty much single handedly kept the IoM together during the post heresy years.

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BrianDavion wrote:
 ImAGeek wrote:
person67 wrote:
Logar maybe people are right about horus, but bearing in mind horus was the greatest in the crusade without him the emperor would have been killed by an ork warlord IIRC. Ererus never would have got near horus without Logar. Though I can see the argument for both horus and Robute gulliman


Why can you see an argument for Guilliman?

I voted Lorgar, I think him or Horus could work, but it seems sensible to cut it off at the source. Erebus mightttt have still had some sway but I don't think he'd have been in the position to had it not been for Lorgar.


mostly codex astartes hate. people tend to forget Gulliman pretty much single handedly kept the IoM together during the post heresy years.


Yeah I thought it might be the standard UM hate...

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