A few months ago my brother started watching Doctor Who. After he told me how blown away he was, I gave it a shot too. And now I am utterly hooked.
The first season takes a few episodes to get going but once it does it is fantastic, as the Doctor would say. The Daleks are now among my top 10 villians of all time, everytime I hear them scream "EXTERMINATE" I get shivers.
And now I have just finished season 2 and... well....
That ending makes me sadder than Toy Story 3 did. Gork damnit, this show is touching...
Like it, but some of the stories have parts which make me just retch. I preferred the Christopher Ecclestone series, as that Doctor actually had some balls in a fight.
I honestly don't get people's obsession with it. Terry Pratchett made a very good point that it often relies on Deus ex machina i.e. is a plot device whereby a seemingly inextricable problem is suddenly and abruptly solved with the contrived and unexpected intervention of some new character, ability, or object.
However, they have started to tone this down and I genuinely enjoy Matt Smith in the role. Amy Pond despite her short skirts is a bit annoying though and I preferred Martha Jones.
Nonsense, twaddle and flim flam. Baker had cheek, fun and gravitas.
Seriously, the most telling part? Genesis of the Daleks. The Doctor has just placed explosives in the Dalek incubation chamber. He's standing there, and all he has to do to end the Daleks forever and indeed complete his mission assigned by the Time Lords, is touch those wires. You genuinely feel his concern. Brilliant stuff. Tennant would just say some bollocks about 'The shadow proclamation'
Mr Mystery wrote:Nonsense, twaddle and flim flam. Baker had cheek, fun and gravitas.
Seriously, the most telling part? Genesis of the Daleks. The Doctor has just placed explosives in the Dalek incubation chamber. He's standing there, and all he has to do to end the Daleks forever and indeed complete his mission assigned by the Time Lords, is touch those wires. You genuinely feel his concern. Brilliant stuff. Tennant would just say some bollocks about 'The shadow proclamation'
The second part is true, Tennants doctor suffered several episodes of bad writing.
I guess for the reason of continuity/sanity Dr Who should be categorised into the Old, long running Dr Who series and the new Dr Who Series.
Apart from a regenerating main character, his vehicle and some of the villains it is a completely different show, for a different era.
Of the old Dr Who Tom Baker is superb and had several great storylines.
I liked Ecclestone and Tennant I found to have some very poorly written episodes and he was just to OTT random for my tastse by his last season.
Matt Smith however is awesome in the role, left field, has gravity in the role. It has turned Dr Who into must watch TV each week for the wife and I.
Amy Pond's short skirts are my favorite companion.
The only thing I've seen from Matt Smith so far are a few pics and he loks terrible in every single one.
There is some bad writing here and but I love it when Tennant really gets going. Like in his first christmas special.
"Look at these humans. They're so young, so eager to explorre the universe. More to see that can ever be seen. More to do.. no wait, that was the Lion King"
And I really dug Ecclestone. Valkyrie said it, he was more of a fighter. I loved his finale when he's facing an armie of Daleks and they demand his surrender and he just looks at them and says: No.
I like Matt Smith. He does what he does fairly well. Overall, however, the writing in this past season dialed up the sap-factor way past tolerable. The Van Gogh episode in particular felt like a cliche at the beginning, something potentially profound by the middle, and a barrage of emotional cheapshots by the end. And the Dalek episode was utter trash! I struggle to think of a single redeeming aspect in that episode. Karen Gillan's cuteness only carries Pond so far as she's merely shallow when it comes right down to it. On the upside, the Weeping Angels two-parter is riveting and the Silaurian two-parter is very solid despite failing to ultimately deliver. Smith is the big selling-point of this season and he does deliver . . . in an eccentric, benevolent, paternalistic sort of way.
I prefer Tennant myself. He can also do eccentric but he's very convincing at being down there in the trenches, so to speak, with "mere" mortals. His anguish and frustration as well as faith and hope are vivid. Whereas Smith is endearingly smug, Tennant is all passion and tension.
Manchu wrote:I like Matt Smith. He does what he does fairly well. Overall, however, the writing in this past season dialed up the sap-factor way past tolerable. The Van Gogh episode in particular felt like a cliche at the beginning, something potentially profound by the middle, and a barrage of emotional cheapshots by the end. And the Dalek episode was utter trash! I struggle to think of a single redeeming aspect in that episode. Karen Gillan's cuteness only carries Pond so far as she's merely shallow when it comes right down to it. On the upside, the Weeping Angels two-parter is riveting and the Silaurian two-parter is very solid despite failing to ultimately deliver. Smith is the big selling-point of this season and he does deliver . . . in an eccentric, benevolent, paternalistic sort of way.
I prefer Tennant myself. He can also do eccentric but he's very convincing at being down there in the trenches, so to speak, with "mere" mortals. His anguish and frustration as well as faith and hope are vivid. Whereas Smith is endearingly smug, Tennant is all passion and tension.[/quote
Yeah, I thought that was ridiculous rather than cool. It would have been cool before 1977. But X-wings have been around for well over thirty years now and adding a magical (because science and magic are exactly the same thing in Doctor Who) forcefield around a Spitfire so that it can fly into space is a step backwards. I accept that the episode was mainly a set-up for future encounters with the Daleks and that it is quite a bit better than other such episodes (like the abysmal Destiny of the Daleks episodes) from the past. But I think we can rightfully expect much better from Matt Smith's era than Tom Baker's.
Watched "the runaway bride" this morning. I'm surprised she didn't stay with the doctor and appearantly the new companion will be introduced next episode.
Anung Un Rama wrote:Watched "the runaway bride" this morning. I'm surprised she didn't stay with the doctor and appearantly the new companion will be introduced next episode.
The Tardis chase scene was pure gold.
Don't worry, that is the lovely Mrs Tate that you undoubtably have heard much about and is the companion in the 3rd tennant series.
Watched the Christmas special earlier (Sky+ is great. ) and I wasn't that impressed to be honest.
Spoiler:
The whole thing with the screwdriver being in the shark and the singing was stupid. I also noted how the shark lived over 50 years, what's up with that?
It was a largely good and fairly touching episode though. More importantly, it had Katherine Jenkins in it! *swoon*
I think Gambon (as ever) and Matt Smith did particularly good acting in it too.
Anung Un Rama wrote:Watched "the runaway bride" this morning. I'm surprised she didn't stay with the doctor and appearantly the new companion will be introduced next episode.
The Tardis chase scene was pure gold.
The Chase scene is good, the rest of that one was pretty poor. But you wait for the next Xmas special, Kylie Minogue on a Spaceship Titanic. It's ghastly.
Watch some proper Doctor Who, some of the older releases are cheap enough on DVD now, I recommend the 'Beginings' set which has the very first three stories with Hartnell, and perhaps Daleks Invasion of Earth, Tomb of the Cybermen and the War Games for Troughton, Spearhead from Space, Claws of Axos and The Three Doctors for Pertwee, Pyramids of Mars, Genesis of the Daleks, Brain of Morbius and City of Death for Tom Baker, Earthshock and Caves of Androzani for Davison, Revelation of the Daleks for Colin Baker and Rememberance of the Daleks for McCoy.
If I had to pick just a couple? Just watch Pyramids of Mars and City of Death. If you don't like those there's no hope.
On old Doctor Who, you can't not recommend the Talons of Weng Chiang, that was awesome.
I recall one where the doctor went on holidays on a feudal world too, that was also awesome.
Doctor Who threads seem to crop up fortnightly in OT, but it's all to the good.
Anung: Tennant was good in his first series, but he slides gradually downhill. The next one has some great episodes (especially around the middle of the series) and some stinkers. As it goes on, Russell T Davis's tropes become more exaggerated. The season after that again, has some stellar episodes (won't name them, but they are really good) and a bunch of meh ones. Matt Smith has been more consistent so far, though I wonder what sort of tropes we'll see arriving from Moffat. I think I detect a couple so far, but they don't annoy me as much as RTD ones. It's my favourite TV show by a good margin.
Why blame Tennant for Davis's foibles? The Tennant specials (Planet of the Dead, Waters of Mars), for example, are pretty lame on balance but he's great in them.
Whoops, use of Tennant's name there when I meant Tennant's series gave the wrong impression. I have lots of respect for Tennant and I think when he gets the right script he is fantastic. He also shows more range in what he can do than Smith has so far.
Waters of Mars was great stuff, so was Midnight and the ones in the Library. Planet of the Dead was alright.
RTD put me off watching Doctor Who for nearly an entire year with his ridiculous season enders. (Don't want to spoil stuff for Anung, but you know what I'm talking about.)
Shame, because the penultimate episodes (Utopia, Waters of Mars) were usually balls out awesome.
In your estimation, Waters of Mars was . . . good? Everyone's acting aside, I thought it was absolutely horrible. I thought it addressed a fascinating point about choices and time travel but did so very poorly, managing to invalidate itself. But hey, if you like Waters of Mars the rest of Dr Who must seem like a masterpiece!
Genesis of the Daleks is truely amazing. Favourite Dalek design and 3rd Favourite Doctor. Victory of the Daleks crushed their reputation and destroyed most respect the Daleks have. But this will stop the Constant "Theres always one Dalek left Crap". But there are some good factors to Victory of the Daleks.
Manchu wrote:In your estimation, Waters of Mars was . . . good? Everyone's acting aside, I thought it was absolutely horrible. I thought it addressed a fascinating point about choices and time travel but did so very poorly, managing to invalidate itself. But hey, if you like Waters of Mars the rest of Dr Who must seem like a masterpiece!
From my point of view:
Spoiler:
1. Good pacing, pretty good horror story, scary monsters = hooray (I'm massively freaked out by any sort of infection or invasion of self baddies in fiction. The corruption of the different members of the crew gave me severe heebie jeebies. Reminded me of the old Who episode I saw as a kid with the plant that did the same thing and made me scared of the garden for about a week).
2. Interesting moral dilemma for the doctor, handled fairly well. Not perfect, but I did love that he went all meglomaniacal. I thought it was going to be a brilliant ending for the 10th Doctor, with him having to be killed because he'd gone mad with power. Unfortunately, they totally didn't go with that idea.
3. For Dr Who, some pretty good effects. Mars base, mars surface, scary watery monster people, all top notch for low budget Sci Fi. That has it's own appeal, for me.
4. I recently used that episode as inspiration for a class for my year eights on colonising mars, which they absolutely loved.
The bad stuff: Characters weren't THAT well scripted (didn't mind the acting). Ending as you said, very weak (common problem for RTD). Especially that it all happened anyway- apparently the two survivors didn't mention the Doctor at ALL, which makes no sense. And yer one's suicide, well, it also made no sense. I was disappointed by that, and the next episode, but I don't let it spoil what was an exciting and tense bit of entertainment with some interesting explorations of the Doctor's meglomania along the way. (I'm particularly interested in that interpretation of the Doctor, see, so I was happy to see it on screen.) For me, the real turds of that series are the last two episodes, which were so bad they made me angry.
@DaBoss: I agree with all of your praises (save "scary monsters"; they were pretty dumb IMO) but still think the bad--where your assessment also matches mine--greatly overwhelms the good.
If you like the subject of Mars colonisation, let me recommend the hard scifi novel Red Mars by Kim Stanley Robinson.
I'm quite happy with my autographed MANUSCRIPT copy of RM.
As for the shark in the christmas special living over 50 years ...
Sharks on earth tend to die only because something eats them (or just parts of them and throws the rest back in to die). They don't get much in the way of diseases (and it didn't seem to be in much threat from OTHER predators in that show).
Howard A Treesong wrote:The Chase scene is good, the rest of that one was pretty poor. But you wait for the next Xmas special, Kylie Minogue on a Spaceship Titanic. It's ghastly.
I actually liked the whole episode. Big monster, random destruction of property, Tennant being awesome ("Don't let the man with the Sonic device near the soundsystem"). The Tardis chase scene was just something I wish to see more of. Working with the fact that he has a spaceship which is incredibly powerful, but looks like a Police Box.
Howard A Treesong wrote:Watch some proper Doctor Who, some of the older releases are cheap enough on DVD now, I recommend the 'Beginings' set which has the very first three stories with Hartnell, and perhaps Daleks Invasion of Earth, Tomb of the Cybermen and the War Games for Troughton, Spearhead from Space, Claws of Axos and The Three Doctors for Pertwee, Pyramids of Mars, Genesis of the Daleks, Brain of Morbius and City of Death for Tom Baker, Earthshock and Caves of Androzani for Davison, Revelation of the Daleks for Colin Baker and Rememberance of the Daleks for McCoy.
If I had to pick just a couple? Just watch Pyramids of Mars and City of Death. If you don't like those there's no hope.
I'm not sure if I want to start watching the old show. There's so much other stuff on my to-watch list. My brother is currently watching them, but I still want to watch the whole old Turtles cartoon at some point and there is always so much new stuff I have to keep up with. (Season 2 of The Brave and the Bold is great!)
Da Boss wrote:Anung: Tennant was good in his first series, but he slides gradually downhill. The next one has some great episodes (especially around the middle of the series) and some stinkers. As it goes on, Russell T Davis's tropes become more exaggerated. The season after that again, has some stellar episodes (won't name them, but they are really good) and a bunch of meh ones. Matt Smith has been more consistent so far, though I wonder what sort of tropes we'll see arriving from Moffat. I think I detect a couple so far, but they don't annoy me as much as RTD ones. It's my favourite TV show by a good margin.
Saw episode 301 yesterday, that's the oneTerry Prachtet complained about, with the hospital on the moon. And I have to say, yes, it is kinda stupid, but I still like the show. Mostly because of the Doctor though. It's really his character that pulls me back in, at least if there are no Daleks around, who are a riot every time. Yes, a lot of the show is over the top and goofy and I like that. I have seen enough "serious" Sci-Fi in the last few years. I tried to watch TNG, I saw all 5 seasons of Bab 5 and I'm watching Firefly again with a friend. Those are all Sci-Fi shows more grounded in reality and science and not just "well, there's a force field around it, duh" but that's exactly what I came to like about the show. The Doctor's just awesome in everything he does and I guess I could get used to the new companions. And yes, it does relie a lot on Deus-Ex-Machina, but so far, none were as stupid as the one in the end of Fable 2.
jargonmultiplier wrote:Tom Baker VS Tennant anyone?
Tennant easily
Heretic!
Meh Baker had a fantastic voice but lacked the passionate chaos bubbling under the surface of Tennants doctor
how many Tom Baker episodes have you watched? because from that responce i don't think you have seen many, Tom Baker Doctor's was energy, chaos and joy
Waaagh_Gonads wrote:I guess for the reason of continuity/sanity Dr Who should be categorised into the Old, long running Dr Who series and the new Dr Who Series.
Apart from a regenerating main character, his vehicle and some of the villains it is a completely different show, for a different era.
I don't really think thats true or fair, each regenration of the Doctor has a very different feel and a very different show, William Hartnell's show is as different to Jon Pertwee's show as Jon Pertwee's era is to the most recent regenerations (with the difference in themes between the Christopher Eccleston and Matt Smith being massive)
As of now i would have to say that Tom Baker, Paul McGann (his radio plays are amazing) and Matt Smith are my top three, with David Tennant fighting to get on the podium. The new christmas special was very engrossing, a true who episode.
Lord-Loss wrote:Watched the Christmas special earlier (Sky+ is great. ) and I wasn't that impressed to be honest.
Spoiler:
The whole thing with the screwdriver being in the shark and the singing was stupid. I also noted how the shark lived over 50 years, what's up with that?
1. although taken to a bit over the top, vocal resonance with crystal is very much possible
2. maybe you don't know much on the animal kingdom, maybe looking up sharks would help (some are believed to have lifespans over 100 years), as long as they are good at what they do and aren't killed by human hunters they are very long lived, add this to the fact that these aren't Earth sharks so don't have to follow Earth rules.
BBC Worldwide, the BBC's commercial arm, has today launched a new channel on YouTube offering vintage video clips from Doctor Who.
The Classic Doctor Who channel features a mixture of classic clips from the series and exclusive previews of forthcoming Doctor Who DVD releases.
The YouTube channel will run in conjunction with the Classic Doctor Who Twitter page (@classicdw) managed by 2entertain - the DVD publishing business fully acquired by Worldwide last year - to enable fans to more easily discuss vintage Doctor Who.
"We're really looking forward to giving Classic Doctor Who its own home on YouTube," said Jo Warren, Worldwide's head of UK & Ireland sales.
"It will be a great space for fans to discuss Classic Who - we're launching with some fantastic clips and we'll be regularly adding to the collection!"
Classic Doctor Who brand manager Dan Hall added: "I'm delighted to join forces with our digital team and YouTube. This is an exciting new way to deliver content for our net-hungry market."
From today, YouTube users will be able to browse more than 45 video clips dating back to Doctor Who's very first episode, including footage from Meglos, the four-part series originally broadcast in 1980 with Tom Baker as the Doctor. A new Doctor Who Meglos DVD boxset will be released by 2entertain on January 10.
I'm a huge fan of the new series - the mini-episode Time Crash even inspired me to look into the classic Who episodes. Haven't seen much yet (read: anything past the second doctor) but I loved William Hartnell as the First Doctor. Most memorable moment for me was when you look at him, an aged old man with a cane, beating the snot out of a would-be assassin and throwing him out a window. And from what I've read, he's the only Doctor who died of old freaking age.
In terms of the new series, I think I enjoyed Tennant's Doctor over Smith. Not that Smith isn't an excellent choice for a Doctor, but I really enjoyed Tennant's great enthusiasm and spirit throughout his three series.
And at the OP: series 3 and 4 have some real gems in them. Blink was very well-done, Gridlock has a shocking, heartwrenching ending, and the three-part finale (Utopia, the Sound of Drums, and Last of the Time Lords) is really quite epic. Most of series 4 is excellent as well, and Tennant and Tate have a great dynamic together. I think one of my favorite lines was from (I believe) The Unicorn and the Wasp:
(Doctor is miming shaking something, as he's been poisoned and a key ingredient will save him)
Donna: Shake...milk...shake...milk...milkshake? Harvey Wallbanger?
Doctor: Harvey Wallbanger?! How is that one word?!
I like matt smith, but my favorite is David Tennant. His acting skills are amazing and he plays the doctor really well, his doctor was quite erractc, but he played that quite clevarly.
Amy pond sucks. Her only redeeming quality is herlooks. She can't act, she causes more problems than she soklves, and she always gets in the way.
Locclo wrote:. I think one of my favorite lines was from (I believe) The Unicorn and the Wasp:
(Doctor is miming shaking something, as he's been poisoned and a key ingredient will save him)
Donna: Shake...milk...shake...milk...milkshake? Harvey Wallbanger?
Doctor: Harvey Wallbanger?! How is that one word?!
I loved when he was teacher her to fly the TARDIS:
DW: Be careful, you're getting too close to the eighties!
Dona: What am I gonna do, put a dent in them?
DW: Well somebody did!
The new Christmas special was fantastic. So glad it only aired a day later in Canada. Dumbledore was amazing as the Scrooge character and I thought that it was good of them to try not to fix everything with the sonic screwdriver the whole time.
The episode was rather touching too, I loved when the painting changed back and forth.
"The girl in the fireplace", the episode with Queen Victoria and the werewolf, "Blink" and the last three episodes of the third series are my favorites.
I -censored by the Inquisition- hate "Blink". That was THE scariest Dr. Who episode I have seen. Even re-watching it freaks me out. Ugh. The Crash of the Byzantine was less scary, but still a fantastic episode. Its fair to say that the Stone Angels are by far my favourite creatures of the Whoniverse.
On a slightly different note, have you seen any Torchwood Anung Un Rama? If not, I'd heartily recommend it.
I loved Girl in the Fireplace too, and Blink. Silence in the Library was also pretty good. That's why I was so excited when I found out Moffat was taking over Doctor Who. I think he likes a lot of the same things I like, his main weakness is his female characters.
Haven't seen Torchwood yet. My brother said it's not that good though I do want to see it just for more of Jack Harkness. Are there a lot of crossovers? Should I watch it parallel to Doctor Who?
How's Sarah Jane Adventures?
Anung Un Rama wrote:Haven't seen Torchwood yet. My brother said it's not that good though I do want to see it just for more of Jack Harkness. Are there a lot of crossovers? Should I watch it parallel to Doctor Who?
How's Sarah Jane Adventures?
Sarah Jane Adventures is pretty good, but be warned that it's basically Doctor Who for kids. The stars of the show (other than the titular Sarah Jane) are all young teenagers who meet with an older Sarah Jane Smith, one of the Doctor's companions (she was a regular companion throughout the lives of the Third and Fourth doctors, and reappeared during various specials) as she hunts down alien activity and prevents hostile takeovers involving the entire planet. If you really, really enjoy all the aliens trying to take over the Earth stories from Who, Sarah Jane Adventures is probably worth a look, because that's pretty much every episode.
I'd say Torchwood gets better throughout its series, and is well worth a look IMO. "Children of Earth" is particularly good. Also, the end of Series 1 links with the Dr. Who episode "Utopia", and there is significant interaction in "The Stolen Earth/Journey's End".
Speaking of Doctor Who for kids, I was in London last fall and I'm surprised how big it is, over there. It felt like it's bigger than Star Wars over there.
Anung Un Rama wrote:Haven't seen Torchwood yet. My brother said it's not that good though I do want to see it just for more of Jack Harkness. Are there a lot of crossovers? Should I watch it parallel to Doctor Who?
How's Sarah Jane Adventures?
Sarah Jane Adventures is pretty good, but be warned that it's basically Doctor Who for kids. The stars of the show (other than the titular Sarah Jane) are all young teenagers who meet with an older Sarah Jane Smith, one of the Doctor's companions (she was a regular companion throughout the lives of the Third and Fourth doctors, and reappeared during various specials) as she hunts down alien activity and prevents hostile takeovers involving the entire planet. If you really, really enjoy all the aliens trying to take over the Earth stories from Who, Sarah Jane Adventures is probably worth a look, because that's pretty much every episode.
It's really very good. Better than Torchwood IMO, which is bleak and "adult" in a rather adolescent fashion, ie stick some bad language and rubbish sex scenes and it's now Doctor Who for grown ups. The Children of the Earth series was the best Torchwood has been, but there's so much rubbish in the earlier seasons. SJA is more rewarding, it's very pleasant viewing and on several occasions is better than some of Doctor Who's output.
Anung Un Rama wrote:Speaking of Doctor Who for kids, I was in London last fall and I'm surprised how big it is, over there. It felt like it's bigger than Star Wars over there.
Anung Un Rama wrote:Speaking of Doctor Who for kids, I was in London last fall and I'm surprised how big it is, over there. It felt like it's bigger than Star Wars over there.
Dr who is a British idol, like the queen and tea
I knew the old series was, I'm just surprised how popular the new show is, conserding just how many Sci-Fi series there are.
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Howard A Treesong wrote:It's really very good. Better than Torchwood IMO, which is bleak and "adult" in a rather adolescent fashion, ie stick some bad language and rubbish sex scenes and it's now Doctor Who for grown ups. The Children of the Earth series was the best Torchwood has been, but there's so much rubbish in the earlier seasons. SJA is more rewarding, it's very pleasant viewing and on several occasions is better than some of Doctor Who's output.
My brother said the problem with Torchwood is, that it takes itself to seriously and that Harkness isn't as much fun in there as he was with the 9th Doctor.
Anung Un Rama wrote:Speaking of Doctor Who for kids, I was in London last fall and I'm surprised how big it is, over there. It felt like it's bigger than Star Wars over there.
Dr who is a British idol, like the queen and tea
I knew the old series was, I'm just surprised how popular the new show is, conserding just how many Sci-Fi series there are.
like 80% of households watch it at least semi-regularly and almost everyone watches the Christmas specials now.
Amusingly its uncommon for someone under 30 to watch the old series unless forced by nostalgic parents.
Anung Un Rama wrote:Speaking of Doctor Who for kids, I was in London last fall and I'm surprised how big it is, over there. It felt like it's bigger than Star Wars over there.
Dr who is a British idol, like the queen and tea
I knew the old series was, I'm just surprised how popular the new show is, conserding just how many Sci-Fi series there are.
like 80% of households watch it at least semi-regularly and almost everyone watches the Christmas specials now.
Amusingly its uncommon for someone under 30 to watch the old series unless forced by nostalgic parents.
True dat. Genuinely quite surprised one of the satelllite channels hasn't picked up old Who. Years and years ago, I think UKTV Gold used to show entire stories all at once. Them were the days!
Here we are, I tell my little brother to watch doctor who and before he even finshes the second season he spawned a 3 paged ongoing thread :-)
I've seen every of the new Episodes so far, including the imo best Christmas Special of the new show.
I loved Tennant but with the last few Episodes Smith just nailed the character.
As of the old shows I've only seen the first three stories with Hartnell, wasn't that impressed though.
Is it essential to watch every old Episodes or are there some key ones to follow the main story arc ?
Howard A Treesong wrote:It's really very good. Better than Torchwood IMO, which is bleak and "adult" in a rather adolescent fashion, ie stick some bad language and rubbish sex scenes and it's now Doctor Who for grown ups. The Children of the Earth series was the best Torchwood has been, but there's so much rubbish in the earlier seasons. SJA is more rewarding, it's very pleasant viewing and on several occasions is better than some of Doctor Who's output.
My brother said the problem with Torchwood is, that it takes itself to seriously and that Harkness isn't as much fun in there as he was with the 9th Doctor.
I'd agree with the points raised about Series 1. Series 2 corrects a lot of these, and Children of Earth is the best it has been.
M@MAX wrote:
As of the old shows I've only seen the first three stories with Hartnell, wasn't that impressed though.
Is it essential to watch every old Episodes or are there some key ones to follow the main story arc ?
I have watched many of the old series, but have never found anything relating directly to the story arc of the current DW episodes. It's almost a new show altogether. I would like them to do something with this time war that they keep taling about. Like a movie or something.
The only real use you would get out of watching through the old series (other than enjoyment, that is - the show DID go on for 20-some seasons, so that should be proof enough that it's a decent show) is to meet some of the Doctor's enemies, and learn some of their origin stories. The Daleks have numerous serials that are, for the most part, really well-done. I recommend the first one just for the shock value of seeing the Daleks in a completely different personality than the modern ones. That, and the fact that they are defeated by the awesome power of a tarp.
(And no, that's not a misspelling. I mean a tarpaulin. Daleks have extreme tunnel vision, so tossing something over one's head is enough to blind it completely.)
Locclo wrote:The only real use you would get out of watching through the old series (other than enjoyment, that is - the show DID go on for 20-some seasons, so that should be proof enough that it's a decent show) is to meet some of the Doctor's enemies, and learn some of their origin stories. The Daleks have numerous serials that are, for the most part, really well-done. I recommend the first one just for the shock value of seeing the Daleks in a completely different personality than the modern ones. That, and the fact that they are defeated by the awesome power of a tarp.
(And no, that's not a misspelling. I mean a tarpaulin. Daleks have extreme tunnel vision, so tossing something over one's head is enough to blind it completely.)
Locclo wrote:The only real use you would get out of watching through the old series (other than enjoyment, that is - the show DID go on for 20-some seasons, so that should be proof enough that it's a decent show) is to meet some of the Doctor's enemies, and learn some of their origin stories. The Daleks have numerous serials that are, for the most part, really well-done. I recommend the first one just for the shock value of seeing the Daleks in a completely different personality than the modern ones. That, and the fact that they are defeated by the awesome power of a tarp.
(And no, that's not a misspelling. I mean a tarpaulin. Daleks have extreme tunnel vision, so tossing something over one's head is enough to blind it completely.)
Or a well placed set of stairs
The safest place to be in case of a Dalek attacking you? The middle of the top floor of a block of UK flats. They have to be UK though, otherwise the Dalek could use the lifts, you know, the big metal boxes that don't work in this country =P
Haven't seen many of the old DrWhos, but in my opinion, the Doctor gets better with each regernation in the newer series. Ecclestone was okay, but he didn't seem to have the eccentricity of the Dr, nor did he really look into it.
Tennant was a lot better at this, but I think the bat-crap-crazy was a little overdone; his choice of companions (*cough* Catherine Tate *cough*) didn't help much. I couldn't ever take CT seriously. After you've watched enough Catherine Tate Shows, you just can't take anything she does seriously.
Matt is doing a great job balancing eccentricity and getting more immersed in the role of the Doctor. His obsessions with random objects can get quite tedious though, "Yes, it's an X, we know it's cool, can you please stop saying it?".
Companion-wise (looking at the main ones; bar SJS), Rose was alright. Micky seemed like he'd been tacked on last-minute and didn't really serve as the character that I think Rory serves currently. Martha was a little dull (Rose had some spark and life) but she knew her way around herself. Tate... I think Donna could've been played by someone else. Tate doesn't fit the role for me, as I mentioned. Karen. I might be considerably biased her for somewhat obvious reasons, but I like how she is as Amy. She pushes the boundaries of the companion and adds a bit more to a character that seems more like a more mischievous Rose. She was especially good in Amy's Choice, as her portrayal of Amy's feelings and emotions at that point in time are what i'd see as spot on. Rory is a bit mysterious. I'm not quite sure what, but something is telling me to expect the unexpected from him. The way he's played so far is a bit half-hearted at times, but i'm sure it'll pick up.
Anung Un Rama wrote:Speaking of Doctor Who for kids, I was in London last fall and I'm surprised how big it is, over there. It felt like it's bigger than Star Wars over there.
It is bigger than Star Wars for British people.
Doctor Who was originally conceived as a children's series and first aired in 1963. It was usually broadcast about 6p.m. on Saturday afternoons, just after the end of the sports coverage. My family is on to the third generation. My parents watched it when it started, then I watched it in the late 60s and 70s, and now my daughter watches the new series.
Anung Un Rama wrote:Speaking of Doctor Who for kids, I was in London last fall and I'm surprised how big it is, over there. It felt like it's bigger than Star Wars over there.
It is bigger than Star Wars for British people.
Doctor Who was originally conceived as a children's series and first aired in 1963. It was usually broadcast about 6p.m. on Saturday afternoons, just after the end of the sports coverage. My family is on to the third generation. My parents watched it when it started, then I watched it in the late 60s and 70s, and now my daughter watches the new series.
Amy is useless!!! She is the most worthless companion the doc has ever had. She gets in the way more than anything, and I can't remember one episode when she was actually helpful. Rory is helpful, if only slightly.
but Amy is a cute redhead (I can hope to see the nun's outfit for her Kissagram gig).
Two things to remember about Dr Who. It's as bad as panto gets. It has cardboard sets (virtual cardboard these days) and it doesn't take itself seriously or know how to count.
Amy is useless!!! She is the most worthless companion the doc has ever had. She gets in the way more than anything, and I can't remember one episode when she was actually helpful. Rory is helpful, if only slightly.
I don't think any of the companions have been particuarly useful (Excluding Donna in her 'Dr Donna' thing). Ain't they just there so the Doctor has someone to explain things to and the audience can understand whats going on?
Amy is useless!!! She is the most worthless companion the doc has ever had. She gets in the way more than anything, and I can't remember one episode when she was actually helpful. Rory is helpful, if only slightly.
Balls I say! Balls!
The one with the void whale. She works it out, and shows the Doctor he can be wrong, and doesn't need to do everything himself. The rest of the season, she was the plot.
It's all about her connection to the crack in time, and how the Doctor, well, I won't spoil it. She very much serves a purpose.
Amy is useless!!! She is the most worthless companion the doc has ever had. She gets in the way more than anything, and I can't remember one episode when she was actually helpful. Rory is helpful, if only slightly.
Balls I say! Balls!
The one with the void whale. She works it out, and shows the Doctor he can be wrong, and doesn't need to do everything himself. The rest of the season, she was the plot.
It's all about her connection to the crack in time, and how the Doctor, well, I won't spoil it. She very much serves a purpose.
Just for future reference, I never said she was useless either! *is now protected from all sides
I'll give you the space whale. None of the rest. The doctor was nearly trapped forever because of her connection with the crack in time. She was a trap. SHE was the problem.
Donna was really useful. One memorable moment was when she discovered that the sick days folder in the ATMOS plant was empty. Another was when she Helped stop people from turning into living blobs of fat in Partners in crime. And when she managed to get the Doc to alter 'unalterable' history int Pompeii. I belive we've already mentioned the DrDonna.
Martha saved the Doc's life. She restarted his hearts twice. When Harold Saxon Took over the world she saved it.
With rose all I have to say is two words: "Bad Wolf."
Anung Un Rama wrote:Saw the season 3 finale. Thank Gork there weren't any Daleks in it, I don't think I could've survived so much awesome.
And can anyone tell me where I can more music from the show? Is there a CD?
I know they're all on iTunes for $10 each - each one is a compilation of all the music that plays during the various series. I think my favorite was the music of Season 3, mainly for "The Futurekind" and "This is Gallifrey: Our Childhood, Our Home." Although I get teary-eyed at "The Doctor Forever" as well, I believe that's been playing since the first.
I hated the season three ender. I mean, I loathed it. It made me so angry. It had a couple of okay bits, but it was so bad apart from them that I stopped watching Doctor Who for an entire year.
Really? I liked it. Granted, the part how the Doctor got back to his former self was a bit over-the-top, even compared to the rest of the show, but I liked the Master and more of Jack Harkness is always a good thing.
Smith is far, far closer to the Doctor than Tennant ever was. The manic side is definitely there, and he seems a lot less human, which is entirely appropriate.
I think I finally found out what I don't like about Matt Smith (apart from his face that is )
The 10th Doctor did his best to save people. And it almost killed him every time when he couldn't do it. To him, life in every form was something precious he had to protect it.
The 11th Doctor on the other hand... he just does it. Because it's what he does. He's not defined by the what and why he does, but just by the fact that he is. I can accept that his current, less emotional form, is more like the old one. But I don't like him that way as much as I liked Tennant.
Ahk, I wish I had seen this thread sooner.
I would just like to say that Baker beats all the others. He had class, humor, an awesome voice, an awesome scarf, jelly babies, and a funny smile. He set the standard for all following doctors ...Tennant was still good though. He gets 2nd . I also really think they need to up the fear factor on the Daleks who used to be the most awesome villains. Lately they've been thwarted a little too easily and the weeping angels may surpass them....
Matt Smith grows on you after a while. It helps to watch the behind the scenes and see his funny character. "Fez's are cool"
I'd say he gets 3rd or at least close to it
I thought his tardis was kind of a funky, cool weird, not like a bad weird.
Okay, so I've finished the season, next up is the christmas special.
I'm warming up to Smith, the whole part where he randomly teleports through time was pretty funny. Still miss Tennent though.
The Pandorica was a pretty cool idea, though I hope we'll see Smith interact with a few of Tennent's supporting character's like Sarah Jane or the always awesome Captain Jack.
I dunno, I didn't start on Smith and he's my favourite. He's getting better scripts than Tennant, which is a lot of it for me. Plus I'm interested in the more wierd and alien bits of the Doctor's personality.
My first was Peter Davison, who I found likeable but fairly forgettable (unlike Tegan... /happynoise).
Then came Colin Baker and I hated him.
Then, last of the firstwave Doctors, Sylvester McCoy, who remains my favourite Doctor and by far the most under-rated.
Of the new ones, Eccleston was like Peter Davison in terms of likeable but unmemorable, Tennant was ok but RTD's writing had started to make me ill. I'm really liking Matt Smith and I didn't think I would. I hope he's allowed to keep the alien distance and aloofness he's displayed, I'd hate to see him forced into that 'loveable messiah' bs they RTD made Tennant go through.
Da Boss wrote:I dunno, I didn't start on Smith and he's my favourite. He's getting better scripts than Tennant, which is a lot of it for me. Plus I'm interested in the more wierd and alien bits of the Doctor's personality.
Kilkrazy wrote:Everyone's favourite Doctor is the one when they watched it for the first time, so mine is Jon Pertwee.
Well I first saw Christopher Eccleston but my favorite is Sylvester McCoy so that's not quite right
Also in the Tennant vs Smith debate, I'm enjoying Smith more, but it's because RTD isn't writing it anymore, I really hate how he wrote Doctor Who. Of the two Doctors themselves, Tennant's was a little too human for me, Smith actually seems to have that alien quality that Tennant lacked.
I think RTD's Doctor Who (at least with Tennant) was more of the Jo Grant era kiddy stuff rather than the more cult show how I prefer it.
The loveable messiah thing as MGS put it was terrible IMO. If Tennant had had decent writers he could have been one of the best Doctors, sadly I don't feel he was and that he suffered the same problem as Colin Baker. Their both good actors but were given gak writers (though Tennant is the better actor). Also I can't stand how with Tennant they seemed to try and make him into a Mary Sue tragic hero character, practically the same way they fethed up James Bond in 'Quantum of Solace'.
The Daleks really need to up the fear factor. In the classic series almost every time you saw them they were pretty terrifying, but in the new series not only do they survive in a Deus Ex Machina way (until the last episode) every time their supposedly 'destroyed' but their not scary at all. The only time since the revival they've been used properly IMO was in 'Dalek' with Eccleston.
The Cybermen are another problem, we need this universes Cybermen because there's only so many ways/times they can come from Pete's universe without just being cliche (it was bad enough when they appeared trapping the Doctor in the Pandorica).
The Master wasn't too good really, I didn't like how insane and almost hyperactive he was, and it'll be interesting to see how he can return without bringing back the Time Lords again. I loved Derek Jacobi's Master though. He lacked the class of the old Masters, especially Anthony Ainley.
The Ice Warriors have had their continuity messed up badly with the introduction of The Flood in Waters of Mars and with RTD having Tennant say that the Ice Warriors weren't around at that point, contradicting both Peladon stories.
The Silurians were done well, the problem was the villain in that episode was a crazy Welsh mother. I have no complaints about the Sontarans as they were portrayed as I hoped they would be, the Autons were also portrayed nearly perfectly.
The best new monster (controversially) was The Beast, and in fact was one of the best villains in Doctor Who history. The second best was the mysterious Midnight Creature, which is very disturbing as not even the Doctor had any idea what it was. The Dream Lord I found to be a great villain, being so similar to the Valeyard, he's one of the best new monsters.
The Weeping Angels were done pretty well, though now their out of existence we won't see them again and as a result they can't be overused and screwed up. The Krillitanes were another great species and I'd love to see more of them, same with the Carrionites, the Racnoss and the Gelth. The Ood are kinda overrated, they were good as the Beast's slaves though the red eye thing felt forced and their whole episode/slavery thing was kinda disturbing IMO.
The animal-humans are kinda hit and miss, the flies were good but the Judoon and the Cat-people kinda sucked. The Isolus was a surprise, I genuinely expected the episode to suck ass but I enjoyed it, a lot. The Trickster from Sarah Jane adventures was good but in a very sucky show and never allowed to evolve into the major villain he could be.
The Absorbaloff, the Giant Wasp and the Adipose are just plain jokes and honestly Doctor Who would be better if they were forgotten permenantly.
Now the Zygons, the Haemovores, the State of Decay Vampires and Yetis need to return and the Fairies from Torchwood as well as the Sycorax need more screen-time
I'm surprised how some people seem to hate Russel T. Davis. I loved every episode he wrote, especially the season finales. While I enjoy the show for the fun and the action, it's the emotional parts that really brings it home. Both the endings of Doomsday and Journey's End were the most emotional and saddest pieces of TV I've ever seen. And I love them for it.
Moffat's stories with Smith are still wacky and over the top. And I like that. Doctor Who can tackle settings and ideas that no other Sci-Fi could even approach and it works. Still, I just enjoyed Tennant's run so much more. Someone said the Doctor isn't supposed to be relatable, that the audience should identify with the companions, but it's just not working with Amy and Rory for me.
Regarding the various adversaries:
The Daleks are easily my favourite. They work so well because they're never in more than 3 episodes per season, which keeps the threat-level high. But also because their just utterly hillarious. "We have your associate" You will surrender!" "No." "What is the Meaning of this Negative? Explain!" I have to say though, the "Mighty Morphin Dalek Rangers" are a bit ridicoulus. They're just not as threatening anymore with all those bright colors. At least it made sense how they came back.
Blink was a brilliant episode, but it also made it difficult to bring the Angels back in any form. While I agree that it seems a bit forced how they always bring the Daleks back in much more dangerous form then before, the Angels were practically unbeatable the first time they arrived. How Amy and the 11th Doctor managed to avoid them so easily is beyond me.
The Cybermen were great in The Age of Steel and okay after that. I loved the giant Steampunk Cyberking in The next Doctor, but more because it was a giant Steampunk robot and less because of the Cybermen themselves.
@Kilkrazy Well the Wasp suffered from one thing, a terrible story which made little sense, was badly written and was just terrible all around, if the Wasp had a full episode it could have been ok. The Absorbaloff was ridiculous, if they hadn't made it so comedic, and so ridiculous it'd have been better. It was compared to the Slitheen which (in their first episodes at least) were pretty credible and effective villains, if the Absorbaloff had had writing like that and hadn't looked like the fat woman from Little Britain gone male and Green then it could have been good, but really the final result wasn't anywhere near it's potential
@DaBoss Evil of the Daleks or Genesis of the Daleks while the newer episodes, I don't know. For some reason the fact they seem so indestructible and also are so often used and easily defeated has kinda wittled away the fear factor for me
@Manchu, what's so abysmal about Destiny of the Daleks, it was an effective mixture of comedy and Sci-fi, it had the second appearance of Davros who'll always be one of the best villains in Doctor Who and it introduced the Movellans which were great Dalek enemies and a great idea
@Mr Mystery, yes the pyschic paper is a little too Deus Ex Machina
And the Dalek episode was utter trash! I struggle to think of a single redeeming aspect in that episode
Easy, the Daleks escaped, no more situational bs with one Dalek surviving everything the universe throws at it and resurrecting a new Dalek force only for it to be annihilated easily by some Deus Ex Machina anti-dalek bomb or some gak like that. We can finally have Daleks back properly
The Van Gogh thing seemed a little like they were trying to copy the success of the Dickens and Shakespeare episodes, and really it wasn't as good, but was still fun.
Amy Pond generally isn't a good companion in any way other than eye candy, TBH she almost reminds me of -shudder- Bella Swan at times, her only pro is that unlike Donna she isn't seemingly intentionally annoying, rather she's just a little useless and stupid
I like the fact that the Daleks are back properly and are busy off constructing an empire somewhere in time, it's alot better then the Dues ex Machinia gak. I'm slightly confused about the Cybermen at the moment though; are the cybermen we see in the season finale the ones we see with Tennant or are they older Cybermen from previous Doctors? They seem very high tech to be Tennants Cybermen.
Murdock129 wrote:Amy Pond generally isn't a good companion in any way other than eye candy, TBH she almost reminds me of -shudder- Bella Swan at times, her only pro is that unlike Donna she isn't seemingly intentionally annoying, rather she's just a little useless and stupid
Don't you dare make fun of Donna! She was brilliant!
Automatically Appended Next Post: And yeah, the 11ths Doctor's theme is really one of the things that makes the character work. Once it starts, you know he's going to do something awesome.
That's your opinion, personally I found her unbelievably annoying and she just seemed like one of Catherine Tate's random characters dumped into Doctor Who, but if you like her then fine. Personally I didn't and never will like her
I prefured daved tennet to be hoenest because he was a lot like tom baker (who was an all time clisaic) matt smith is ok to me but i think it is because of the wirters!the latest fannlie was rurrained the first part was amaing and how they built up suspence but was completely rewained it but he is deffently a really good acter i really like his knew tardis (time and reltive demtion i space) the new them tune is prettey col and funkey!!!But the 4th series music was really good as well as the 3rd/2nd/1st too(by the way that the new series)proboly my favouit eposide for chrisafer elexsion is parting of the ways davaid tennet is journeys end (i just love davros in it !!!)and for matt smith it is the pandoricar opens pt 1 and for tom baker it is either gensis of the darliks or desteny of the darleks.either darliks or cybermen are my favuoit monster.
sorry for my bad spelling but i havent spelt all of those name for years!(too much warhammer 40k see!)but in my defence i have watched some recently too!!!
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youbedead wrote:The best reason to like smith's doctor.
This awesome piece of music
I find that them tune quite funkey but it does work!
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Anung Un Rama wrote:I bought the first 2 Soundtrack CDs. The music for Doomsday is fantastic!
Both Main Themes are great but this here is one the the absolutly best scores i've heard EVER
Regarding ST vs MS: I loved the DT episodes and can't understand that there are people who don' like RTDs writing, but MS ist a new Doctor so he can be as different as DT as he wants and I'm fine with it.
I finally got a few of the older doctors runs and am quite exited how they work in comparison
I think I now know why I didn't like Smith. He's not Tennant. That's pretts much the only reason now.
I just saw the Christmas Special. I love this series, even with the stupid new Doctor and his stupid large forhead and his stupid shiny new Tardis. It's Doctor Who. And it's still brilliant.
Anung Un Rama wrote:Okay, so I've finished the season, next up is the christmas special.
I'm warming up to Smith, the whole part where he randomly teleports through time was pretty funny. Still miss Tennent though.
The Pandorica was a pretty cool idea, though I hope we'll see Smith interact with a few of Tennent's supporting character's like Sarah Jane or the always awesome Captain Jack.
You need to check out The Sarah Jane Adventures - one of the greatest kids tv shows ever made... Both Tennant and Smith have appeared in this and likely Smith will again...
HAZZER wrote:I prefured daved tennet to be hoenest because he was a lot like tom baker (who was an all time clisaic) matt smith is ok to me but i think it is because of the wirters!the latest fannlie was rurrained the first part was amaing and how they built up suspence but was completely rewained it but he is deffently a really good acter i really like his knew tardis (time and reltive demtion i space) the new them tune is prettey col and funkey!!!But the 4th series music was really good as well as the 3rd/2nd/1st too(by the way that the new series)proboly my favouit eposide for chrisafer elexsion is parting of the ways davaid tennet is journeys end (i just love davros in it !!!)and for matt smith it is the pandoricar opens pt 1 and for tom baker it is either gensis of the darliks or desteny of the darleks.either darliks or cybermen are my favuoit monster.
sorry for my bad spelling but i havent spelt all of those name for years!(too much warhammer 40k see!)but in my defence i have watched some recently too!!!
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youbedead wrote:The best reason to like smith's doctor.
This awesome piece of music
I find that them tune quite funkey but it does work!
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Anung Un Rama wrote:I bought the first 2 Soundtrack CDs. The music for Doomsday is fantastic!
same here!
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M@MAX wrote:Both Main Themes are great but this here is one the the absolutly best scores i've heard EVER
Regarding ST vs MS: I loved the DT episodes and can't understand that there are people who don' like RTDs writing, but MS ist a new Doctor so he can be as different as DT as he wants and I'm fine with it.
I finally got a few of the older doctors runs and am quite exited how they work in comparison
same here
SJA is allright but I have seen praticly every episode but it is never broadcasted when it is about to start!
Anung Un Rama wrote:I wanted to give SJA a try. Should I watch it in full, are there episodes to be avoided? And I need to see the episode with Tennent!
Yes I quite want to give SJ a... oops sorry, off topic there.
Great series these, my kids got me hooked over Christmas as the CBBC (Childrens BBC) digital channel repeated loads of the episodes.
Would love somone to sculpt a 'not' Judoon figure, they'd make a cool army
The new U.S.-based season of Torchwood begins on Starz on July 8th, 10 pm
Bill Pullman, who portrays Oswald Danes, a former school teacher and convicted child killer, and Mekhi Phifer join "Torchwood" alumni John Barrowman (Capt. Jack Harkness) and Eve Myles (Gwen Cooper) in the series. Also joining the cast are Alexa Havins (When in Rome, Fat Girls) as Esther Drummond, a deskbound CIA employee who dreams of active duty and who suddenly finds herself running alongside Jack, Gwen and Rex; and Arlene Tur ("Crash," Eat Pray Love) as Dr. Vera Juarez, a Washington D.C. surgeon, who finds herself on the frontline of medical care on "Miracle Day" advising the government think-tanks on the best course of action for the world's population.
Torchwood begins with a day when nobody dies. All across the world, nobody dies. And then the next day, and the next, and the next, people keep aging, they get hurt and sick, but they never die. The result: a population boom, overnight. With all the extra people, resources are finite. It's said that in four month's time, the human race will cease to be viable. But this can't be a natural event - someone's got to be behind it. It's a race against time as C.I.A. agent Rex Matheson investigates a global conspiracy. The answers lie within an old, secret British institute. As Rex keeps asking "What is Torchwood?," he's drawn into a world of adventure, and a threat to change what it means to be human, forever.
.. which sounds alright as an opener. I'd prfer something closer to "Children of Earth" but I'll give it a go when it's on.
Anung Un Rama wrote:He's weird, but he'll grow on you.
So will scrofula.
I don't want it, either.
Not overly fussed on this incarnation of the doctor. Amy is nice (but I have a thing for redheads).
There have been perhaps 5 really good stories since the wingnut (Ecclestone) took over the role.
(Started watching with Pertwee, stopped watching during Tom Baker).
I really didn't like him at first and still prefer Tennent for quite a lot reasons but I don't hate Matt Smith anymore. Wel, maybe his haircut. Well, and his face. Well, and his Tardis. But the show is overall still really, really awesome!
I'm just jaded with CGI cardboard sets. The real cardboard (wibbly wobbly) sets and THE quarry that was SOOOOO overused in the original series (and also B7 and other mediocre brit SF) were almost as bad.
I noticed the cardbord set only once in the Weeping Angels two-parter. Smith threw himself at an indestructable steel door and it bulgend under his weight.
You know, I can not express in words how much I need more Doctor Who at this point. But all this talk about how the stakes could not be higher is a bit weird considering that we had episodes about the end of time and a bomb that could destroy the multiverse.
But yeah, more Doctor Who. I need it. I need it bad.
You know, I heard so many weird things about Torchwood, I really wasn't sure what to expect. I didn't expect that it still would be so funny. John Barrowman kicks butt.
I also didn't expect that already the 2nd episode would have a sex-related Alien-incursion. If you count the deodarant in the first episode we already had two alien-related (implied) sex-scenes. Interesting.
--- the episode set in the country.. that last line ! --
but at times it did feel a little like they were crowbarring sex/adult situations into it without need.
There were one or two occassions I found myself yelling at the TV words to the affect of "stop trying to get your leg over and get on with saving the fething world. This isn't "confessions of a time traveller" or some such.
Watched two more episodes of Torchwood. The one with the device that makes them sees the past and future was overall pretty... useless.
The cyberwoman episode on the other hand was pretty cool. Yeah, it was a bit ott, the design was kinda off but I liked that they actually made a connection to Doctor Who.
In series one you'll find 'Countrycide', 'Out of time' and 'Captain Jack Harkness' the best, with 'Small Worlds' as an honourable mention.
Series 2 is far better imo. 'Kiss Kiss Bang Bang', 'Sleeper', 'Adam', 'Fragments' & 'Exit Wounds' are the stand out episodes.
Anung Un Rama wrote:Anyone ever read any Doctor Who novels bades on the new show?
I've read lots of the books based on the original series or continuing it but few of the newer hardbacks because they are a lot less adult. I read a couple, they were mostly awful but I think they've improved. As for the older book line, well like all tie-in fiction there are some to avoid but there are some cracking ones too. If you know the sort of thing you are interested (preferred Doctor, monsters, traditional or radical storylines) in I could recommend a few.
Well, my favourite Doctor is Tennant, but I read there are also a few about Ecclestone, I would try those too. And prefered enemy are definetly the Daleks.
"The Eyeless" by Lance Parkin is supposed to be pretty good, some of the 9th Doctor ones were the earlier ones in the range and utterly dire. Avoid "Winner Takes All" at all costs, unless you want to read a story about giant hedgehog aliens trying to conquer the world by selling playstations on a council estate.
Sightings of the Silents or indications of their presence in Series 5:
The Elventh Hour - While hanging from the TARDIS, the Doctor looks up into it and for a couple of seconds has a confused look on his face. Also, just how did Tennant's Sonic get in that room? Also, when Rory and Amy exit the elevator on the second floor of the hospital, Rory glances behind him at something, but when he looks back towards Amy, he shakes his head like he forgot something. It is about 42:49. In the scene at the end of the episode where Amy goes into the TARDIS for the first time. there's one point where she leans back on the console and is looking around the room. The camera is pointed towards her face, so we can't see what she's looking at. She looks around with a sort of awe-struck smile, but then her eyes linger over something and her expression turns into a look of horror. She starts breathing really quickly and turns as if to get the Doctor's attention, but as soon as she's facing him she just asks, perfectly normally, "Why me?", as if she'd completely forgotten about what she'd just seen. Also, she flicks a TARDIS button/switch/lever at this point. Accidental Amy or something meaningful?
The Beast Below - At around 9:25 a black figure walks past Amy, she looks confused/scared for a couple of seconds then shrugs it off.
Victory of the Daleks - Near the end after the Daleks escape, the Doctor moves slowly backwards, as he gets near to the green framed window/doorway he looks to his left with a shock. The camera then switches to Amy and Churchill who both stare to the Doctor's left with a look of shock before Amy continues on as normal with the line "Doctor, it's OK you did it, you stopped the bomb."
The Lodger - At 21:47 for a couple of shots Amy looks in the distance or at the screen and gasps, then shouts for the Doctor's attention but he doesn't listen. She looks away and shakes it off.
Vampires of Venice - At the end when Rory, Amy, and the Doctor are standing by the TARDIS, the TARDIS door is open and then shuts on it's own.
The Big Bang - There are cloaked figures behind the Sarcophagi in the museum; a third figure moves out of shot at the edge of the screen at about 13:31
I can barely believe it, I was sure it was being wrongly reported at first. A total shock, like most I imagine I had no idea she had cancer so this is out the blue. Very sad news.
Wow. That one really came out of nowhere. I haven't seen anything of the old stuff or the SJA show, but I was looking forward to it. A shame, I really enjoyed her in the few Tennant episodes she was in.
On a lighter note, David Tennant is marrying Goergia Moffet, the daughter of Peter Davison.
New series starts this Saturday, and thank christ for sky plus otherwise I'd be missing it!
Give up some love for Matt Smith too, I was sceptical that anyone could follow on from Tennant without BEING Tennant, but he's done it and damned well too.
New alien race this Saturday as well, shame it'll be a cliff hanger though...
Aah, the Doctor Who thread is hiding in the stickys. I never look up here
Yes, an enjoyable episode. But like I said in my now locked thread, this is a time travel show and it's difficult to be shocked about stuff that you know can get sorted out later.
I wasn't as happy as I could have been with it. I liked the Doctor as always, and Rory had some good moments. But I am tired of River Song and I really want to see the back of her.
The baddie is interesting, but I thought I dunno, the end bit was poorly directed or something? It seemed hammy, and not in a good way.
Will keep watching, hope it was just a blip and not a portent of dooooooom.
Just saw the season/series premier and enjoyed it. While I like the look of the creatures shown I can't help but feel they look like a menacing offspring of the Ood mixed with the Crying Angels gimmick of not looking away. In this instance you forget about them instead of being killed our being tossed into the past.
I particularly enjoyed the little moments that referenced previous episodes.
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Like River Song's fear that there will be a day when she looks at the doctor, and he doesn't know her. She fears that day will kill her. Beautiful reference to Silence in the Library.
Also, the Tardis like craft in 'The Lodger' returns. I can't help but think that this is ominous.
This creates a wonderful over-arching plot, and is really rewarding for long term viewers. I only hope they reference Torchwood in the new series, as I love that organisation.
My only real problem with it was that there's a hole in the plot. The Doctor knew what would happen, so someone had to have told him, so there's no point to not telling him, as NOT telling him would be the paradox, not TELLING him.
I think it's funny that NOW they are concered about screwing up the timeline again. You know, after the whole Christmas special was just one big universe implosion waiting to happen.
I thought about The Lodger when I saw that as well. Not sure if the similarities to a lot of previous things is an homage or going to be a purposeful part of the plot.
Ahtman wrote:I thought about The Lodger when I saw that as well. Not sure if the similarities to a lot of previous things is an homage or going to be a purposeful part of the plot.
It's too similar for there not to be more to this story, it seemed odd that in the Lodger it was described as someone's attempt to build a Tardis and then never referred to again. You'd think that was a BIG deal. So I hope they really address it now.
Not sure if anyone has noticed, but if you watch the last episode of the last series, when they are in the room with the pandorica just after Rory reappears there are 'thing's moving around the room, you only see them for a moment but there's one that moves just off camera and others hiding behind scenery.
Anung Un Rama wrote:The Doctor's Tardis is the last one in existence, right?
As far as he knows, he thought he was the last timelord too and that wasn't entirely correct. This new console room looks like someone's attempt to build a copy of a tardis.
The title (the impossible astronaut) is reminiscent of "The Impossible Planet".
Given the sinister nature of the villains, and their apparent reality bending powers, I wonder if the Beast wasn't as dead as we thought?
I'd be happy if that was the case. It was a good villain.
Could be a red herring or my overactive imagination though.
I also forgot to mention that the child's voice is eerily similar to the voice in The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances. The Astronaut suit reminded me of The Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead when the Vashta were controlling the bodies from inside the suits.
Ahtman wrote: The Astronaut suit reminded me of The Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead when the Vashta were controlling the bodies from inside the suits.
One of the things I like best of all about sci fi as a genre is you can read something like the above and agree 100%, despite the essential preposterousness of the ideas and concepts therein.
..so, I'm thinking then that the lost or misplaced voice thing is also very similar to the Lodger episode, where someone.... ( or something..!) had been dabbling in Tardis building, and the technology does indeed seem very similar.
In the preview thing for the next episode did it look like some of the crew had (black marker pen) style "runes" or glyphs drawn onto them ? Maybe as if these were some form of protection against the aliens abilities ?
I thought the writing looked remarkably like that from the Impossible Planet, at least thats what i assumed they were...
and yeah i love sci fi's ability to make us all believe made up stuff Whats better is when preposterousness makes people disagree despite the fundamental preposterousness of the entire thing
reds8n wrote:
In the preview thing for the next episode did it look like some of the crew had (black marker pen) style "runes" or glyphs drawn onto them ? Maybe as if these were some form of protection against the aliens abilities ?
Reminded me of:
Also pondering if child in space suit is young River Song.
Am also very bored by continual River Song.
Thing about insinuated plot arch being slowly revealed to success (see series 2-4 of Babylon 5) is that it shouldn't be continually and habitually rammed down your eyes like Dr Who has been doing recently, ever since 'bad wolf' I think.
There is a hidden thingy going on, we get that, it's hardly exciting and hidden if you keep pointing at it loudly and going on about it.
Also, these baddies are very heavily borrowed from 'The Misters' from Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
Yeah, im getting very very tired of seeing River Song without any explanation, as other people have said, theres only so much plot over hang i can handle/take before i get bored and stop watching.
Some of the plot arch stuff they have done has been excellent (vote saxon posters for example) but this is getting old quick.
basically, get on with it BBC!!
MeanGreenStompa wrote:Thing about insinuated plot arch being slowly revealed to success (see series 2-4 of Babylon 5) is that it shouldn't be continually and habitually rammed down your eyes like Dr Who has been doing recently, ever since 'bad wolf' I think.
There is a hidden thingy going on, we get that, it's hardly exciting and hidden if you keep pointing at it loudly and going on about it.
I was really surprised in how they used in season 4. The entire season we'd get those quick shots of the Doctor's hand in jar and I kept thinking "yes, I know we have that, can we please move back to the show now" amd when they actually made it a plot device (again) it really took me by surprise. And since that day I focus on every little details, just waiting for it to pop again. Like in season 5, the Tardis was late quite often.
MeanGreenStompa wrote:Also, these baddies are very heavily borrowed from 'The Misters' from Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
Where those the ones who took all the voices in Sunnydale so they couldn't scream?
I read that John Simm would like to return as the Master. And that Moffat would like to get him back as well. While I liked this version the Master, IMO the new Doctor should have a new Master counterpart (still crossing fingers for Alan Rickman ). On the other hand, the Smith seasons really could use some more ties to the Ecclestone and Tennant era. Your thoughts?
I'd actually like to see a brief Doctor/Master team up like they did for Scream of the Shalka. The dynamic between the two of them for that was borderline hilarious.
MeanGreenStompa wrote:Also, these baddies are very heavily borrowed from 'The Misters' from Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
Where those the ones who took all the voices in Sunnydale so they couldn't scream?
yes, apparently I misremembered their names, they were called 'the gentlemen'.
Can't even shout Can't even cry The gentlemen are coming by,
Looking in your windows Knocking on you doors They need to take seven And they might take yours,
Can't call to mom Can't say a word You're gonna die screaming But you wont be heard.
Has anyone ever played the Doctor Who PC adventure games which came out last year? I heard terrible things about the Wii game, but the PC games look interesting.
Anung Un Rama wrote:Like in season 5, the Tardis was late quite often.
That's coz Series 5 was sponsored by British Rail
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, I can't help but think that the new alien thing is just an Ood but without the spaghetti / bowling ball arrangement. I like the gentlemen reference though - that was a damned good episode.
Almost all SF aliens are people in make-up. There is a limit to how much make-up you can put on an actor and let them still act. This has been true since the early 20th century.
The Genestealers are meant to be distorted humans. You can either credit GW's artist for the clever way they realised the standard TV trope in 2D art, or you can damn them for the lack of originality in designing aliens.
Ahtman wrote: The Astronaut suit reminded me of The Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead when the Vashta were controlling the bodies from inside the suits.
One of the things I like best of all about sci fi as a genre is you can read something like the above and agree 100%, despite the essential preposterousness of the ideas and concepts therein.
..so, I'm thinking then that the lost or misplaced voice thing is also very similar to the Lodger episode, where someone.... ( or something..!) had been dabbling in Tardis building, and the technology does indeed seem very similar.
In the preview thing for the next episode did it look like some of the crew had (black marker pen) style "runes" or glyphs drawn onto them ? Maybe as if these were some form of protection against the aliens abilities ?
The writing on their faces immediately made me think of this:
I've played the adventure games. They're allright, but are very same-y, have weak plots and consist largely of very simple puzzles. Clearly aimed at younger/casual gamers.
HAZZER wrote:Hey I don't know about you but these so called silence guys look a lot like Genestealers from 40k?
Not really, no. The head is a bit bulbous, that's about it. It's far more like The Scream which according to the production team is what it was based on.
reds8n wrote: Enjoyed the 2nd episode immensely, more than the first one in fact. Especially the opening bit when they were being hunted and captured.
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Loved the River Song rescue too
Some nice open ended plot hooks for later in the season too, especially the last scene !
Seconded. What a show! So many questions that will keep me watching.
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Both pregnant and not pregnant at the same time?
Who is the child? (Could it be River Song?)
Will the Silence return?
Why build the Spacesuit?
And... will the doctor truly die?
So, I'm wondering if the time lord like child is in fact Rory and Amy's child. It having been altered/affected by their time travel adventures, the whole Rory having been a Roman robot for 3,000 years and even more so by Amy having been changed when she was revived in the Dr.s' prison in the last season.
We never actually got a definative answer as to how long they had Amy prisoner, and we had the remidner about Rory's interesting life path. Maybe the Silence needed or required someone with "temporal energies"/similar to control or power their homebrewed/built Tardis. And it was a little girls voice coming from the "lost" Tardis in the lodger episode yes ?
maybe these energies making her unstable in some way or other, hence the need for the life preserving astronaut suit.
So, I'm wondering if the time lord like child is in fact Rory and Amy's child. It having been altered/affected by their time travel adventures, the whole Rory having been a Roman robot for 3,000 years and even more so by Amy having been changed when she was revived in the Dr.s' prison in the last season.
We never actually got a definative answer as to how long they had Amy prisoner, and we had the remidner about Rory's interesting life path. Maybe the Silence needed or required someone with "temporal energies"/similar to control or power their homebrewed/built Tardis. And it was a little girls voice coming from the "lost" Tardis in the lodger episode yes ?
maybe these energies making her unstable in some way or other, hence the need for the life preserving astronaut suit.
..or I'm totally wrong.
very intersting thoughts!
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im also thinking that the unstable thing is why she regenerates so early/young
Of course, it could all be back to front and the Silence engineer the Time Lords. Remember, the Tardis is an antique the Doctor stole. Remember too that Time, as far as the time lords are concerned, is not a straight line. Further, who knows what en utero exposure to the Time Vortex does.
Revenent Reiko wrote:The Time Lords grew the Tardises (Tardii? ), The Doctir stole it from the rest of the Time Lords
Questionably possible. (Paradox: the Doctor has made two different claims about how he aquired the Tardis. The first was he stole it from the Time Lord Marnal, the other from a general stockpile of TARDI being decomissioned.) However, his extensive modifications to it may make it an entirely different beast from other (Type 40, mk 1) TARDI.
However, it should be pointed out that on every occasion that a psudo-TARDIS has been built, it has been because someone has captured a Time Lord, or otherwise got the information from them. Rassilon claimed to have invented Time Travel (among other things) but we also know that Rassilon was a big fat liar who murdered people and stole things. So the question becomes: Is A) the psudo Tardis we see in this and in Boarder the Type 1 Mk 1 and we're at the beginning of Time Lord history (which was, previous to our pal Rassilon, a matriarchy) or do the Silence have a time lord, and TARDIS, they've been trying to copy?
hmmm i hadnt heard he alternative to how he acquired the TARDIS, my apologies Baron.
im now wondering if the ability to create a TARDIS is somehow built into the Time Lords, and if so:
i
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s that why they 'captured' amy's daughter (or whoever the little girl is)
i dont agree that this is the beginning of the Time Lord history though, because how would the pseudo-TARDIS know to look for a Time Lord as a pilot in the Boarder?(i know it wasnt specifically a Time Lord, but you know what i mean?) The Silents wouldnt have created something they cant use would they? seems a bit silly to me but who know?
also, it turns out i cant type Time Lord properly...ever
Well, it's stated at different points that not every citizen of Gallifrey is a Time Lord, but they are all the same species. So it's not genetic. Rassilon claims to have more or less 'invented' time travel, but again, considering he attempted to murder some of his own colleagues in that endeavor, it's possible that he stole or found the technology from somewhere else.
Consider: Silence create their own version of the TARDIS, which is drifting around time and space. Rassilon finds it, kills anyone else who knew, claims to have invented it, and then tries to eliminate anyone who might talk.
The sad part is that this is entirely possible without retcons.
Revenent Reiko wrote:The Time Lords grew the Tardises (Tardii? ), The Doctir stole it from the rest of the Time Lords
Questionably possible. (Paradox: the Doctor has made two different claims about how he aquired the Tardis. The first was he stole it from the Time Lord Marnal, the other from a general stockpile of TARDI being decomissioned.) However, his extensive modifications to it may make it an entirely different beast from other (Type 40, mk 1) TARDI.
Bonus fanboy points for namechecking Marnal.
Can not both be true? The Tardis was ready to be decommissioned and he helped himself to it. In it's during its operational period it was 'owned' by Marnal but he was dealt with by the Doctor's parents. He's also claimed to have only 'borrowed' it which plainly isn't true. A Tardis seems to have some kind of symbiotic link with its owner, so one could 'belong' to someone even if it's been retired. It could explain why the first Doctor didn't really know how to control it, he had a notebook to help with the controls (which he then lost) and was left aimlessly wandering (though he would take offence at having this pointed out). Over the years he seems to have become more and more attached to it, not only does he have greater control over it, but in Planet of the Spiders it brings him 'home' when he is dying, and by the current series he's largely able to make precision landings hopping around in time and space and it opens to a snap of the fingers (which I don't personally like but it's proving the point).
I thought Time Lords become Tiem Lords by being exposed to the Time Vortex around the age of eight.
How are candidates picked, if it isn't genetic?
BTW there is genetic variation between members of a species. The Time Lord capability might be a trait like blue eyes, colour blindness and detached ear lobes are in humans.
It's not really very clear how they are 'picked' seeing as there are families of Timelords, there's never been any suggestion that there are any 'failed' Timelords.
I would assume that in distant history (Probably Rassilon era) their society split into those that could become Timelords and those that could not, and this applies to their children too. The 'could nots' now get all the menial jobs or live outside Timelord society which has been shown on TV.
There is something called the 'Rassilon Imprimatur' which appears to be the sympiotic link required for operating a Tardis and no one is born with it. This might come as a package of gifts like the ability to regenerate and their heightened sense of temporal affects around them.
If we get into the 'expanded universe', to borrow the Star Wars term, then Time Lords are not born biologically but 'loomed'. There are families of Timelords who create their children artificially though using their family genetic material. Though it's partly contradicted by odd little things in the series (Doctor Who is full of inconsistencies anyway) it's neither been rejected nor confirmed out right. That said the Doctor clearly has been stated to have biological parents, but that's a whole heap of trouble...
What really makes a mess of it is the 'Doctor's Daughter' episode, as it's not clear if she's regenerating or it's a side effect of the terraforming device. While we don't have the dramatic BOOM and then a new person, Tennant points out in Doctor Who Confidential that Jenny is, in fact, a Time Lord or 'something similar'.
Might Regeneration be an ability that regular people have there, and that Time Vortex amplifies this? Remember what happens with Rose and that silly time vortex...
Most Timelords don't appear to travel the universe, and the time vortex, though. They are a miserable lot and tend to watch from afar. It's interfering that gets the Doctor's wrists slapped.
BaronIveagh wrote:Well, it's stated at different points that not every citizen of Gallifrey is a Time Lord, but they are all the same species. So it's not genetic. Rassilon claims to have more or less 'invented' time travel, but again, considering he attempted to murder some of his own colleagues in that endeavor, it's possible that he stole or found the technology from somewhere else.
Just to make sure, Rassilon was Timothy Dalton's character from End of Time, right?
BaronIveagh wrote:What really makes a mess of it is the 'Doctor's Daughter' episode, as it's not clear if she's regenerating or it's a side effect of the terraforming device. While we don't have the dramatic BOOM and then a new person, Tennant points out in Doctor Who Confidential that Jenny is, in fact, a Time Lord or 'something similar'.
Might Regeneration be an ability that regular people have there, and that Time Vortex amplifies this? Remember what happens with Rose and that silly time vortex...
As far as I can tell, regerations can be quite different. 9 absorbed the Time Vortex and had a nice lightshow. 10 actually destroyed the Tardis with his regeneration. Though that might have something to do with him keeping it back for so long. Or maybe radiation poisening just requires a lot of regernative energies, who knows?
But if Rory can still remember his life as a Roman altough they rebootet the universe, does that mean that he's still a robot?
Anung Un Rama wrote:Just to make sure, Rassilon was Timothy Dalton's character from End of Time, right?
Yes, apparently, he regenerated since the original series, were he was played by Richard Matthews.
Anung Un Rama wrote:
But if Rory can still remember his life as a Roman altough they rebootet the universe, does that mean that he's still a robot?
No, as the Doctor explains to Amy when she wonders how she can remember people that no longer exist, being a time traveler means you can remember things that ended up not happening.
Anung Un Rama wrote:
But if Rory can still remember his life as a Roman altough they rebootet the universe, does that mean that he's still a robot?
No, as the Doctor explains to Amy when she wonders how she can remember people that no longer exist, being a time traveler means you can remember things that ended up not happening.
ahh see if forgot that he was real again, so when Rory and River burst out if the TARDIS, i was expecting to see Rory blasting away with his weird finger gun as well as River.
I do however remember that time travelers memories are special, so one out of two isnt bad
Anung Un Rama wrote:Just to make sure, Rassilon was Timothy Dalton's character from End of Time, right?
Nope, that was some Lord President guy who appeared in the old episodes. Rassilon is dead, I think.
It was supposed to be Rassilon. I think we have to conclude that, like the Master, the Timelords resurrected him during the time war because according to all other information on the matter Rassilon is long dead. Well sort of, his tomb in on Gallifrey and while seemingly dead he still has some sort of consciousness. He claims to have found immortality, but the price appears to be that you are in some sort of eternal sleep.
Anung Un Rama wrote:But if Rory can still remember his life as a Roman altough they rebootet the universe, does that mean that he's still a robot?
No, as the Doctor explains to Amy when she wonders how she can remember people that no longer exist, being a time traveler means you can remember things that ended up not happening.
Yeah, but that was really weird. Amy remembered the soldiers in the Angels-episode last season but she forgot Rory because he was important to her. How does that make any sense?
It was interesting to see that the silence was already hinted at last season. I'm still not sure if all plot threads from that episode we're resolved.
Something that doesn't seem to make much sense is how now the Doctor, Amy, Rory and River can remember the Silence.
I know they're all being killed off by humans but you'd think their 'effect' would still last even if they're all dead. Not all of them would be dead yet anyway, surely some would get away.
Lord-Loss wrote:Something that doesn't seem to make much sense is how now the Doctor, Amy, Rory and River can remember the Silence.
I think the 3 months between part 1 and 2 could use a bit more explanation.
Lord-Loss wrote:I know they're all being killed off by humans but you'd think their 'effect' would still last even if they're all dead. Not all of them would be dead yet anyway, surely some would get away.
I believe scaring them away was the entire point to begin with.
Kilkrazy wrote:Almost all SF aliens are people in make-up. There is a limit to how much make-up you can put on an actor and let them still act. This has been true since the early 20th century.
The Genestealers are meant to be distorted humans. You can either credit GW's artist for the clever way they realised the standard TV trope in 2D art, or you can damn them for the lack of originality in designing aliens.
I diden't know that Genestealers are meant to be distorted humans.
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Kilkrazy wrote:There is an awesome Flash game in which you are a Dalek and have to escape from the underground lab, exterminating all in your way.
This has been out for years but still I love it!I still on the last level though.
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reds8n wrote:
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So, I'm wondering if the time lord like child is in fact Rory and Amy's child. It having been altered/affected by their time travel adventures, the whole Rory having been a Roman robot for 3,000 years and even more so by Amy having been changed when she was revived in the Dr.s' prison in the last season.
We never actually got a definative answer as to how long they had Amy prisoner, and we had the remidner about Rory's interesting life path. Maybe the Silence needed or required someone with "temporal energies"/similar to control or power their homebrewed/built Tardis. And it was a little girls voice coming from the "lost" Tardis in the lodger episode yes ?
maybe these energies making her unstable in some way or other, hence the need for the life preserving astronaut suit.
..or I'm totally wrong.
Same here...
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I was thinking that the girl was deffently amys child, but Im not sure about it beeing royes? Could be the doctors and amys.Or just the doctors beacuse in serise 3-4 (can't rember off the top of my head) he mentioned about him beeing a dad or somethig...Then when the time lords return theres a old woman...His mum?....One on the previous doctors has a cousen (or something) that travels around with him for a while...Weord or what?...Or is it a cowisendeced?....Whatever it is we are deffently going to find out in this serise.....Keep your eyes peeled chaps....ASP....
and yes, the Doctor has stated he was a father, and i think the ambiguity about the child is kinda the point. More importantly, as someone said before, is it possible that the child really is Amy's but is she now partially a Time Lord because of hat happened in the Pandorica?
Automatically Appended Next Post: btw i dont mean to be harsh about spelling, its just a bit of a pain to read thats all
Whilst not spawned, she was created using a machine that successfully took the Doctor's DNA and turned it into a descendant. She is also seemingly able to regenerate, as is shown at the end of the episode, and then she leaves and isn't heard of again.
It is possible that there is another progenation machine in the universe, and possibly, just possibly, this was used to create another time lord (or lady, in this case) in the form of the little girl we see, who has no name (like the doctor's daughter, who is named 'Jenny' by Donna) and the fact that the Doctor believes Jenny to be dead could prevent him from figuring it out too early so a plotline can develop.
Moffat is also the one credited with suggesting that Jenny comes back to life, and seeing as though he has a hand writing these episodes, he could have plans for her.
Point of fact, however, we're following (mostly) the Doctor's frame of reference, so he wouldn't have said that, as, for him, it wouldn't have happened yet.
It might just be my lack of sleep, but what is that which he would not have said?
EDIT: I think it may well be my lack of sleep, as i'm losing concentration when reading the last few pages of the thread and keep having to go back and making sense of the posting order.
BaronIveagh wrote:Where he's talking about having been a father before. Unless of course Jenny goes back in time to...and ...no, that paradox makes my head hurt.
Aye, Jenny going back in time would be my argument to that, as she states that she wants to be like her father when leaving in her pod, and how better to be like him than travelling through time and spending a lot of time running
Whilst not spawned, she was created using a machine that successfully took the Doctor's DNA and turned it into a descendant. She is also seemingly able to regenerate, as is shown at the end of the episode, and then she leaves and isn't heard of again.
It is possible that there is another progenation machine in the universe, and possibly, just possibly, this was used to create another time lord (or lady, in this case) in the form of the little girl we see, who has no name (like the doctor's daughter, who is named 'Jenny' by Donna) and the fact that the Doctor believes Jenny to be dead could prevent him from figuring it out too early so a plotline can develop.
Moffat is also the one credited with suggesting that Jenny comes back to life, and seeing as though he has a hand writing these episodes, he could have plans for her.
Ture,
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There need to be another eposide on jenny.The girl could be half human half timelord...And yes I know that when donner bacame it she nearly died....I't enver ment to happen barldy barldy ballar....
Automatically Appended Next Post: Er guys spoilers please,
because we don't want to give a way what may be key points in certain thuings! Did you know.....
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.....I love spoilers form river song and on dakka!.....
So, I'm wondering if the time lord like child is in fact Rory and Amy's child. It having been altered/affected by their time travel adventures, the whole Rory having been a Roman robot for 3,000 years and even more so by Amy having been changed when she was revived in the Dr.s' prison in the last season.
We never actually got a definative answer as to how long they had Amy prisoner, and we had the remidner about Rory's interesting life path. Maybe the Silence needed or required someone with "temporal energies"/similar to control or power their homebrewed/built Tardis. And it was a little girls voice coming from the "lost" Tardis in the lodger episode yes ?
maybe these energies making her unstable in some way or other, hence the need for the life preserving astronaut suit.
..or I'm totally wrong.
Apart from the fact that there we're several different "people" who got people into the room inj The lodger it has been stated that someone tried to build a Tardis, so that's a very interesting theory.
I'm a bit fuzzy about the universe rebooting. How exactly did they revive Amy with the Pandorica?
- Just so that we will remember it, the Alien pilots armor read D.I.H.S. Why do Aliens write in English? - Again, the woman with the eyepatch who's looking at Amy from some sort of parallel world. The way she opens those doors and speaks to Amy I'd say we have an Asylum/Hospital thing coming up. - Also: SPACE PIRATES!!!
Apart from the foreshadowing, it was another very enjoyable episode. Took them long enough to make a pirate episode and I needed that after the season premire wasn't the Western I was hoping for.
Wait a minute! Maybe we WILL get a Western episode. Think about it. When Amy and Rory came to the Doctor in Impossible Astronaut he was 200 years older. That kinda works out, doesn't it?
I thought it was a terrible episode; apart from a bit near the end, the acting was all very half-arsed to me. It also didn't seem to have anything to do with... well, anything, bar the second point in Anung's spoiler tag.
Here's to hoping that it's just one of the odd rubbish episodes you get with every series and that next week's is better, because it looks like it will be.
His Mother? could have sworn she died with the Fall of Galifrey Also, the Ood....AGAIN??!!
Personally i thought the woman with the eyepatch was a midwife: 'your doing really well' *fake smile* while looking down. Makes me think of a midwife looking at a prospective mother when shes on the bed giving birth for some reason. Albeit the black clothes dont really fit with a hospital (white is for clean)
His Mother? could have sworn she died with the Fall of Galifrey Also, the Ood....AGAIN??!!
Personally i thought the woman with the eyepatch was a midwife: 'your doing really well' *fake smile* while looking down. Makes me think of a midwife looking at a prospective mother when shes on the bed giving birth for some reason. Albeit the black clothes dont really fit with a hospital (white is for clean)
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The Ood are really getting on my nerves now. Unlike the Daleks, they don't seem to play any major role in anything; they've not been at war with the Time Lords or Makind and they just seem to be <generic Alien> for any episodes that need a baddie or goodie and they can't be arsed thinking up anything new.
The black-clothed 'midwife' reminds me of Franky from Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow.
His Mother? could have sworn she died with the Fall of Galifrey Also, the Ood....AGAIN??!!
Personally i thought the woman with the eyepatch was a midwife: 'your doing really well' *fake smile* while looking down. Makes me think of a midwife looking at a prospective mother when shes on the bed giving birth for some reason. Albeit the black clothes dont really fit with a hospital (white is for clean)
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The Ood are really getting on my nerves now. Unlike the Daleks, they don't seem to play any major role in anything; they've not been at war with the Time Lords or Mankind and they just seem to be <generic Alien> for any episodes that need a baddie or goodie and they can't be arsed thinking up anything new.
The black-clothed 'midwife' reminds me of Franky from Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow.
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Yup same here with the Ood, i liked the first episode or so with them in, but when they started to find lame reasons to use them....not so much.
i definitely has to Google sky captain and the World ofTomorrow , but yes she does look like that character.
^ You can find two clips of the episode, a clip from the next Doctor Who Confidential and some more stuff on the blog of the writer of the episode. Just scroll down.
Avatar 720 wrote:I thought it was a terrible episode; apart from a bit near the end, the acting was all very half-arsed to me. It also didn't seem to have anything to do with... well, anything, bar the second point in Anung's spoiler tag.
Here's to hoping that it's just one of the odd rubbish episodes you get with every series and that next week's is better, because it looks like it will be.
Then you get to the one played by tate.
) and I wasn't that impressed to be honest. 
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