I likes it too, but for Gods Sake can RORY STOP DYING PLEASE??!! Man thats getting old fast. Otherwise, Suranne Jones was awesome and it was an original idea which makes a change.
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Next week looks very interesting too, another view of the 'Midwife/Nurse', and flesh creations gone rogue.
Obviously it's referring to Dr River Song. But in what capacity; is yet to be revealed.
edit: Just a discussion starter; what form d'you think the oh so brilliant Daleks will appear in this series? Dear Lord they were atrocious.. just like the entirety of the previous series.
Who lets one person direct AND star as the main character? Whoever it was.. I want to write a stern letter of disapproval to them.
Bit of a derailment here, I've been working through Dr Who on Netflix from Season 1 (reboot) to just starting Season 4.
Loved 1 and 2 but found 3 a disappointment, Martha seemed too much to be Rose-lite (yes, yes I get that a black companion, especially one better educated and higher class than Rose is a big step but still). The end of Season 3 in particular almost worked. I loved the Master (Brits is it just me or was John Saxon based on Tony Blair?) and the scene in Last of the Time Lords where we see him on the Bridge of the Valiant with the Doctor in a doghouse was just chilling. Very very well done. But the whole 'Peter Pan/I do believe in fairies' ending just left me cold.
Season 4 is looking promising Donna at least seems cut from a different cloth than Rose and Martha, but she's right now really, really annoying.
I think there was a lot of pointed criticism of the last administration/Blair in some of RDT's episodes. The line which causes the female PM to step down after the Xmas special was borrowed from a real life event/whispering campaign used about Mo Mowlam.
Loved this weeks episode a lot. Nice dialogue, moved along swiftly, neatly resolved, and suitably emotional.
Beautiful.
Nice trailler for next week too.
.. and, we can assume, that the Tardis gave Rory a neat little spoiler.
Spoiler:
which has to be a River Song reference, but is that too obvious ?
and
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Given what we saw the stolen soul do.... is this perhaps a clue as to what is, perhaps, being grown inside the little girl from the first 2 episodes ? same odd coloured energy, and if it exists at all points of time and space maybe this is how it does and then doesn't exist ?
Maybe this soul was to be transposed into the Tardis they were building in the Lodger episode ?
If you noticed, when the TARDIS woman touches Amy, she looks at her hand strangely as well, as if she felt something. Even Amy gives her a funny look like she felt it too...
@Kid Kyoto I always thought Saxon was how Blair was meant to be (actually clever and not a bumbling fool for example), apart from the fact that he was crazy and wanted to kill everyone. I didnt like the ending either, but seeing the Doctor elevated to a kind of God-like level was pretty cool.
Donna doesnt get any less annoying, just funnier as the season continues. You learn to love her
Darkvoidof40k wrote:Obviously it's referring to Dr River Song. But in what capacity; is yet to be revealed.
edit: Just a discussion starter; what form d'you think the oh so brilliant Daleks will appear in this series? Dear Lord they were atrocious.. just like the entirety of the previous series.
Who lets one person direct AND star as the main character? Whoever it was.. I want to write a stern letter of disapproval to them.
No one did let the same person direct and star in an episode... I think your sources might be a bit off..
Darkvoidof40k wrote:Obviously it's referring to Dr River Song. But in what capacity; is yet to be revealed.
edit: Just a discussion starter; what form d'you think the oh so brilliant Daleks will appear in this series? Dear Lord they were atrocious.. just like the entirety of the previous series.
Who lets one person direct AND star as the main character? Whoever it was.. I want to write a stern letter of disapproval to them.
No one did let the same person direct and star in an episode... I think your sources might be a bit off..
It was a long time ago, but I distinctly remember finding out that Matt Smith is also the director.. Meh, can't give a citation, as I have no idea where I heard/found it out.
Darkvoidof40k wrote:Obviously it's referring to Dr River Song. But in what capacity; is yet to be revealed.
edit: Just a discussion starter; what form d'you think the oh so brilliant Daleks will appear in this series? Dear Lord they were atrocious.. just like the entirety of the previous series.
Who lets one person direct AND star as the main character? Whoever it was.. I want to write a stern letter of disapproval to them.
No one did let the same person direct and star in an episode... I think your sources might be a bit off..
It was a long time ago, but I distinctly remember finding out that Matt Smith is also the director.. Meh, can't give a citation, as I have no idea where I heard/found it out.
oooo if he is that would be BAD.Cant find evidence on it though.
Matt Smith's debut series was utter trash. Completely rediculous and lost all of the "feel" of the good ol' Doctor and the fictional universe he inhabits.
Darkvoidof40k wrote:Matt Smith's debut series was utter trash. Completely rediculous and lost all of the "feel" of the good ol' Doctor and the fictional universe he inhabits.
I wish they'd kept Tennant..
Yeah, I mean everyone knows that Tennant was the first and only doctor!!
I mean, apart from Eccleston, and he came after McGann, who came after McCoy, who came after Baker, who came after Davison, who came after the other Baker, who came after Pertwee, who came after Troughton, who came after Hartnell.
Everyone knows that Hartnell is the first and only doctor!1!
You do realise that Tennant left, he wasn't fired?
Also, ridiculous as compared to what? Sentient balls of fat? Robotic Santa Claus? Humans turning into giant scorpion creatures? A Villainous sheet of skin, who uses acid as moisturiser? The Slitheen of "Oh no it's a pickled egg" fame? This is the last of the daleks, wait now it's the last, dammit, NOW it's the last of the daleks, they've been wiped out!! And they're back....
BaronIveagh wrote:Here we go. This always happens. Someone starts screaming that Whoever was the best Doctor, and the thread goes down hill from there.
Shhh! if we pretend it didnt happen, it wont happen! Anyone got any more ideas of who/what the eye-patch lady is?
Darkvoidof40k wrote:Matt Smith's debut series was utter trash. Completely rediculous and lost all of the "feel" of the good ol' Doctor and the fictional universe he inhabits.
I wish they'd kept Tennant..
Yeah, I mean everyone knows that Tennant was the first and only doctor!!
I mean, apart from Eccleston, and he came after McGann, who came after McCoy, who came after Baker, who came after Davison, who came after the other Baker, who came after Pertwee, who came after Troughton, who came after Hartnell.
Everyone knows that Hartnell is the first and only doctor!1!
You do realise that Tennant left, he wasn't fired?
Also, ridiculous as compared to what? Sentient balls of fat? Robotic Santa Claus? Humans turning into giant scorpion creatures? A Villainous sheet of skin, who uses acid as moisturiser? The Slitheen of "Oh no it's a pickled egg" fame?
This is the last of the daleks, wait now it's the last, dammit, NOW it's the last of the daleks, they've been wiped out!! And they're back....
I'm completely aware of how many Doctor's there's been. But when people think of the reboot, they think of Tennant, not Eccleston. Sure, Tennant did have some fairly rediculous things in his series', but the execution was great. Besides, many episodes weren't so stupid and they were brilliant anyway. For me, he's the best Doctor, with Tom Baker very close behind. I also enjoyed the original Doctor.
The problem with Matt's first series is that they were trying to appeal to a younger audience too much.
I know that Tennant left; doesn't mean I hadn't wish they'd kept him. The point was that they couldn't keep him because he left. Admittedly, I worded it poorly, but I would've thought people would be intelligent enough to understand it.
Pretty much all the stuff with the Daleks since the reboot has been going down hill from the beginning.. but at least with Tennant the episodes were enjoyable and still 'fitted' the theme of Doctor Who.
/rant
Carry on everyone!
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BaronIveagh wrote:Here we go. This always happens. Someone starts screaming that Whoever was the best Doctor, and the thread goes down hill from there.
Shhh!
if we pretend it didnt happen, it wont happen! Anyone got any more ideas of who/what the eye-patch lady is?
Well, when I first saw/heard her, my immediate thought was that Amy was in some sort of psychic/mental operation/mind game or some such. But now I'm more inclined to believe that she's being followed in time by some organisation or other.
So I know I'm still 2 years behind but I want to throw out a question, is the Doctor a patronizing monster?
Seeing the Last of the Time Lords (master/John Saxon arc) and then Fires of Pompei (Doctor causes the destruction of Pompei) close to each other is really pretty disturbing. After the Master kills a good chunk of the human race (10% on day one) and keeps the Doctor in a birdcage or doghouse for a year, the Doctor forgives him and fights to save his life.
But a few episodes down the line he's willing to blow up 20,000 people and can barely be bothered to save one family.
What's the difference?
Well history which was the point the episode was making, but also the Master is a time lord and humans aren't.
He seems fond of humans sure, but after going to such lengths to save the Master all his other actions killing off whole races of aliens and humans by the thousand really make him look like a different character. More like a farmer who cares about human lives but only feels a tinge of regret when culling his herd.
Kid_Kyoto wrote:So I know I'm still 2 years behind but I want to throw out a question, is the Doctor a patronizing monster?
Seeing the Last of the Time Lords (master/John Saxon arc) and then Fires of Pompei (Doctor causes the destruction of Pompei) close to each other is really pretty disturbing. After the Master kills a good chunk of the human race (10% on day one) and keeps the Doctor in a birdcage or doghouse for a year, the Doctor forgives him and fights to save his life.
But a few episodes down the line he's willing to blow up 20,000 people and can barely be bothered to save one family.
What's the difference?
Well history which was the point the episode was making, but also the Master is a time lord and humans aren't.
He seems fond of humans sure, but after going to such lengths to save the Master all his other actions killing off whole races of aliens and humans by the thousand really make him look like a different character. More like a farmer who cares about human lives but only feels a tinge of regret when culling his herd.
I wonder how deliberate this was.
It's absolutely deliberate. The Doctor is seen as this great, amazing, unstoppable and brilliant being - there's nobody else like him left in existance. But he has many dark secrets and areas of his personality that he would prefer to never see arise. He has killed countless people.
Now with the Master incident, time 'reset' itself/returned to how it was before the paradox after that episode, and the Master was the only other Time Lord left, so of course he wanted to preserve his life - the Master was the only other being who could ever truly understand him. I'm still hoping for a return of this devious villain though!
Now, with the Fires of Pompai, the reason he didn't save them all was because:
a) to stop the aliens.
b) to preserve the time line - no paradox is a good paradox. And whatever happens, we certainly don't want to see certain all-devouring paradox-closing and all-round nasty beasties again.
IMO he gets a bit......jaded i suppose is the best term, at the beginning of that series. After seeing what happened to the other last Time Lord he kinda stops caring about people and just saves the time line. (just think how down-hearted he must be, even after allowing the Master to live, and then he dies anyway).
Although, he has always sacrificed people so he can continue saving everyone else. At least, thats how i see it: he cares about humanity (and the universe in general), but there is an element of 'for the Greater Good (OMG the Doctor is the first Ethereal!!! ).
Just my take on it though.
Here's another question, how much of what the Doctor does is deliberate?
More than once he's arrived at the wrong place, meant to go to Rome landed in Pompei on Volcano day, AND during an alien invasion. Meant to go to NY to see Elvis, landed in London during the coronation AND during an alien invasion.
Now of course he has lots of uneventful trips which no one bothers ot make episodes about (this one time the Doctor went Edo Japan and had a splended time) and of course this is a TV show and Rome+aliens is going to get more eyeballs than Rome without aliens.
But we only have his word he's went to the wrong place or didn't know about the aliens. None of his companions have a clue how to operate the TARDIS. So he could be playing dumb while really working to clean up the time line.
OR he could be a puppet of some higher force (the soul of TARDIS)?
Kid_Kyoto wrote:Here's another question, how much of what the Doctor does is deliberate?
More than once he's arrived at the wrong place, meant to go to Rome landed in Pompei on Volcano day, AND during an alien invasion. Meant to go to NY to see Elvis, landed in London during the coronation AND during an alien invasion.
Now of course he has lots of uneventful trips which no one bothers ot make episodes about (this one time the Doctor went Edo Japan and had a splended time) and of course this is a TV show and Rome+aliens is going to get more eyeballs than Rome without aliens.
But we only have his word he's went to the wrong place or didn't know about the aliens. None of his companions have a clue how to operate the TARDIS. So he could be playing dumb while really working to clean up the time line.
OR he could be a puppet of some higher force (the soul of TARDIS)?
Kid_Kyoto wrote:Here's another question, how much of what the Doctor does is deliberate?
More than once he's arrived at the wrong place, meant to go to Rome landed in Pompei on Volcano day, AND during an alien invasion. Meant to go to NY to see Elvis, landed in London during the coronation AND during an alien invasion.
Now of course he has lots of uneventful trips which no one bothers ot make episodes about (this one time the Doctor went Edo Japan and had a splended time) and of course this is a TV show and Rome+aliens is going to get more eyeballs than Rome without aliens.
But we only have his word he's went to the wrong place or didn't know about the aliens. None of his companions have a clue how to operate the TARDIS. So he could be playing dumb while really working to clean up the time line.
OR he could be a puppet of some higher force (the soul of TARDIS)?
Any thoughts?
The tardis takes him were hes needed not were he wants to go
Kid_Kyoto wrote:Here's another question, how much of what the Doctor does is deliberate?
More than once he's arrived at the wrong place, meant to go to Rome landed in Pompei on Volcano day, AND during an alien invasion. Meant to go to NY to see Elvis, landed in London during the coronation AND during an alien invasion.
Now of course he has lots of uneventful trips which no one bothers ot make episodes about (this one time the Doctor went Edo Japan and had a splended time) and of course this is a TV show and Rome+aliens is going to get more eyeballs than Rome without aliens.
But we only have his word he's went to the wrong place or didn't know about the aliens. None of his companions have a clue how to operate the TARDIS. So he could be playing dumb while really working to clean up the time line.
OR he could be a puppet of some higher force (the soul of TARDIS)?
Any thoughts?
The tardis takes him were hes needed not were he wants to go
Even the TARDIS said so itself (herself? Himself? Thingy?!) in the last episode.
Revenent Reiko wrote:Guys you are aware that Kid_Kyoto hasn't SEEN the latest episodes yet??!!
Spoilers much?!
To be blunt, not a great idea entering a discussion with a lack of necessary information.
What necessary information? Knowing the current series doesn't stop you from discussing past series does it?
Kid_Kyoto was putting forth a hypothesis of sorts which i didn't want to agree or disagree with due to spoilers, hence my comment of 'No Comment'.
Meh.. he hasn't missed much though. Tennant's stuff was the best.
Meh, i like Tennant too, but i have been (and still am) giving Smith a chance.
Revenent Reiko wrote:Guys you are aware that Kid_Kyoto hasn't SEEN the latest episodes yet??!!
Spoilers much?!
No worries, I can't really jump into a thread like this and not expect some spoilers.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE 10th DOCTOR DIES!?!?!?
I still like my theory though, he knows where he's going and why but plays dumb for his companions and the bystanders.
*sigh* i tried K_K.
tbh i always thought your theory was the correct one (i.e. i had the same theory back in the day), he is pretty sneaky lets not forget.
I like to think of the doctor as being a bit sinister, and an absolutely arrogant egomaniac to boot. It makes the series much more enjoyable when I watch it that way. But it's like comics, different writers have slightly different takes, and I just watch for those little nods to the more sinister nature of the Doctor.
I'm not going to get into a debate about which series is better, it's personal taste, but much of the Matt Smith stuff suits my idea of what it should be about more than the RTD stuff, though RTD's time did have some great episodes and brought me back into Doctor Who after seeing it a few times (old series) as a little kid.
I really like RTD's Doctor Who! The show is still fantastic under Moffat, but there is now other tv show that brought me this close to tears as Doomsday or the season 4 finale did. I don't know a lot of shows or movies which can do that. Toy Story 3 is the only one I can think of.
Really enjoyed The Doctor's Wife. Though it wasn't exactly what I was hoping for when I saw the old control room in the trailer.
Last Saturday was really weird for me. Firstly, I noticed that
Spoiler:
The Tardis' sign actually said pull when the door is always opened inwards, which turned out to be mentioned later in the episode
and then I made a comment about voting for 'No one' in the Eurovision Song Contest, intending to mean I wouldn't vote, but then the final act's (think it was the final one, or around that) song was called 'No one'...
Hey guys, I found out a few days ago from a friend that...
Spoiler:
....That Sarah Jane will be appearing in another doctor who episode maybe in this series. Basically I think what happens is she dies gets put into a Tardis shaped coffin the priest is David tenant (Yes the 10th doctor returns!) and the 11th doctor is there! Apparently they argue over who's Tardis is who’s, because of Amy that takes off the St john's ambulance sigh off the 11th doctors Tardis and paints one on the 10th doctors Tardis. Apparently in the end they take the wrong one!Ha! ...
HAZZER wrote:Hey guys,
I found out a few days ago from a friend that...
Spoiler:
....That Sarah Jane will be appearing in another doctor who episode maybe in this series. Basically I think what happens is she dies gets put into a Tardis shaped coffin the priest is David tenant (Yes the 10th doctor returns!) and the 11th doctor is there! Apparently they argue over who's Tardis is who’s, because of Amy that takes off the St john's ambulance sigh off the 11th doctors Tardis and paints one on the 10th doctors Tardis. Apparently in the end they take the wrong one!Ha! ...
....Hope this helps?
I hope so very much this is true! I would LOVE for this to happen! It reminds me of that Christmas special "The Next Doctor" during Tennant's reign of awesome.
Avatar 720 wrote:Anyone else not feel that episode?
I've been feeling that this episode isn't going to be good from the comments I've seen so far. Trying to watch it on the BBC iplayer, but it's buggy and not working yet.
Avatar 720 wrote:Anyone else not feel that episode?
I've been feeling that this episode isn't going to be good from the comments I've seen so far. Trying to watch it on the BBC iplayer, but it's buggy and not working yet.
I will say one thing; The Doctor has a great taste in music
Avatar 720 wrote:Anyone else not feel that episode?
I've been feeling that this episode isn't going to be good from the comments I've seen so far. Trying to watch it on the BBC iplayer, but it's buggy and not working yet.
I will say one thing; The Doctor has a great taste in music
Avatar 720 wrote:Anyone else not feel that episode?
I've been feeling that this episode isn't going to be good from the comments I've seen so far. Trying to watch it on the BBC iplayer, but it's buggy and not working yet.
I will say one thing; The Doctor has a great taste in music
Lord-Loss wrote:It seemed very short and not all much happened. The next episode looks lots more action packed though, defintely looking forward to the next one.
Yeah, it was obviously a set-up episode for next week, but even next week seemed a bit....meh to me. Not a fan im afraid
I watched three episodes and now I am hooked......
David Tennet I would give up my GF just spend a single day with him, just to talk about his hobbies. If he says he plays sc2 I will challenge HIM!
Asherian Command wrote:
David Tennet I would give up my GF just spend a single day with him
This isn't awkward at all..
I've read some theories on the internet that seem to make sense.
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The Ganger Doctor could be the one that was killed at the begining of the season, he could have easily lied about being two hundred years older.
I loved that episode !
I thought doctor who was a nerdgasmic horrible show. I was proven wrong.
After watching him the Norton Show with Josh Groban (Musical idol) and the other book writer... My mind was wiped of that heresy!
To all doctor who fans!!! After the next episode there's a break until autumn NOOOOOOOO!!!It's probably so there’s no break bettewn the summer and christmas!
Does anyone else (apart from me) watch doctor who confidential (Wrong spelling I Think)? Because the last one was soooo funny with matt smith holding the puppet while attacking what’s her name (The person who plays Amy).I think its killain something?
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Darkvoidof40k wrote:
HAZZER wrote:Hey guys, I found out a few days ago from a friend that...
Spoiler:
....That Sarah Jane will be appearing in another doctor who episode maybe in this series. Basically I think what happens is she dies gets put into a Tardis shaped coffin the priest is David tenant (Yes the 10th doctor returns!) and the 11th doctor is there! Apparently they argue over who's Tardis is who’s, because of Amy that takes off the St john's ambulance sigh off the 11th doctors Tardis and paints one on the 10th doctors Tardis. Apparently in the end they take the wrong one!Ha! ...
....Hope this helps?
I hope so very much this is true! I would LOVE for this to happen! It reminds me of that Christmas special "The Next Doctor" during Tennant's reign of awesome.
This.. will be most delicious to watch.
Same here It would be a good epsoide compared to the latest serise.(The only good one so far I think was the first 2).
Darkvoidof40k wrote:I doubt there will actually be a break in the series; it's never happened before. Ever.
Maybe you could quote give a link to your sources of information?
Doctor Who Wiki wrote:Filming started in July 2010. This series was preceded by a 2010 Christmas Special, written by Steven Moffat. The series is split into two sections, with the first episode, The Impossible Astronaut airing on 23rd April 2011. It will then stop after the seventh episode, A Good Man Goes To War is aired. The series will pick up from episode eight in the Autumn, and run through to the finale, episode thirteen. Short prequels were released on the official site to publicise the series
And you just know they're going to leave it on a huge cliffhanger...
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What if the Silence had Ganger technology and Amy is a copy. That would explain why the Tardis can't tell whether she's pregnant or not cause the real Amy is and the Ganger isn't.
Lord-Loss wrote:And you just know they're going to leave it on a huge cliffhanger...
Spoiler:
What if the Silence had Ganger technology and Amy is a copy. That would explain why the Tardis can't tell whether she's pregnant or not cause the real Amy is and the Ganger isn't.
You know, i was thinking something similar when i saw it last night. The Time Lords have some of the most advanced tech in the Universe and yet their Pregnancy Test is absolutely RUBBISH!
The test itself might be fine, it might be what it's trying to scan that is causing the confusion. Either that, or the Tardis doesn't want to reveal the answer.
notprop wrote:Damn 2 parters why isn't there a warning before that sort of thing?
I would wait and watch both parts on iPlayer.....grumble...grumble.
dont even get me started! (although i remember a couple years ago when they would disappear from iPlayer when the new episode was aired....missed a very good episode because of that )
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Avatar 720 wrote:The test itself might be fine, it might be what it's trying to scan that is causing the confusion. Either that, or the Tardis doesn't want to reveal the answer.
Spoiler:
Point taken, i was just annoyed that it kept taking so long. Could easily be a test for a Time Lord foetus, which i never thought of.
Lord-Loss wrote:And you just know they're going to leave it on a huge cliffhanger...
Spoiler:
What if the Silence had Ganger technology and Amy is a copy. That would explain why the Tardis can't tell whether she's pregnant or not cause the real Amy is and the Ganger isn't.
This is probably similar to the truth. But then again, it also seems like the little girl from the first episode is related to Amy and the Doctor.. possibly meaning RORY IS NOT A HAPPY BUNNY.
I read on Doctor Who Wiki that Gallifrayons are unable to have children, instead they're 'loomed' into existence as adults but they still have to mature mentally.
Lord-Loss wrote:And you just know they're going to leave it on a huge cliffhanger...
Spoiler:
What if the Silence had Ganger technology and Amy is a copy. That would explain why the Tardis can't tell whether she's pregnant or not cause the real Amy is and the Ganger isn't.
This is probably similar to the truth. But then again, it also seems like the little girl from the first episode is related to Amy and the Doctor.. possibly meaning RORY IS NOT A HAPPY BUNNY.
Well, in this last episode
Spoiler:
Rory seemed strangely attached to Jennifer, and Amy didn't look too pleased about it, so I think something might happen between those two at some point.
I wasn't exactly convinced at first, but somehow I like this episode more now, that I know it's a 2-parter. Dedicating a whole episode just as a set-up for the next one reminds me of the first season with Ecclestone.
It will be very interesting to see how the Doctor handles the fact that he has a clone now. I wouldn't be too surprised if that incident showed his darker side. He didn't exactly seem happy about it.
I like the idea that the new Doctor might be the one from The Impossible Astronaut, though it would be a bit cheap. To be honest, I'd be surprised if the survives the next episode.
Avatar 720 wrote:The test itself might be fine, it might be what it's trying to scan that is causing the confusion. Either that, or the Tardis doesn't want to reveal the answer.
Anung Un Rama wrote:btw.: is it just me, or did the Doctor seemed to know what the Flesh is?
He blatantly did.
Considering the Flesh were in that episode with that freaky hospital run by cats he must know what they are.
Really? I can't remember that.
It was the one with the cats...
I think it was the second episode with Rose...
I only remember it 'cos i had to watch it in Japanese for some reason...
Anung Un Rama wrote:btw.: is it just me, or did the Doctor seemed to know what the Flesh is?
He blatantly did.
Considering the Flesh were in that episode with that freaky hospital run by cats he must know what they are.
Really? I can't remember that.
Yeah neither can i, they havent been in anything else AFAIK
I distinctly remember the cat lady calling them The Flesh.
After that i thought they were gone for good but it seems they brought them back for an interesting episode...
Anung Un Rama wrote:btw.: is it just me, or did the Doctor seemed to know what the Flesh is?
He blatantly did.
Considering the Flesh were in that episode with that freaky hospital run by cats he must know what they are.
Really? I can't remember that.
It was the one with the cats...
I think it was the second episode with Rose...
I only remember it 'cos i had to watch it in Japanese for some reason...
According to Doctor Who Wiki that's just a coincidence of them having the same name, they're completely unrelated.
Anung Un Rama wrote:btw.: is it just me, or did the Doctor seemed to know what the Flesh is?
He blatantly did.
Considering the Flesh were in that episode with that freaky hospital run by cats he must know what they are.
Really? I can't remember that.
It was the one with the cats...
I think it was the second episode with Rose...
I only remember it 'cos i had to watch it in Japanese for some reason...
According to Doctor Who Wiki that's just a coincidence of them having the same name, they're completely unrelated.
Anung Un Rama wrote:btw.: is it just me, or did the Doctor seemed to know what the Flesh is?
He blatantly did.
Considering the Flesh were in that episode with that freaky hospital run by cats he must know what they are.
Really? I can't remember that.
It was the one with the cats...
I think it was the second episode with Rose...
I only remember it 'cos i had to watch it in Japanese for some reason...
According to Doctor Who Wiki that's just a coincidence of them having the same name, they're completely unrelated.
There doesn't seem much to support that...
to support what?
That they are related? or that they aren't related?
Anung Un Rama wrote:btw.: is it just me, or did the Doctor seemed to know what the Flesh is?
He blatantly did.
Considering the Flesh were in that episode with that freaky hospital run by cats he must know what they are.
Really? I can't remember that.
It was the one with the cats...
I think it was the second episode with Rose...
I only remember it 'cos i had to watch it in Japanese for some reason...
According to Doctor Who Wiki that's just a coincidence of them having the same name, they're completely unrelated.
There doesn't seem much to support that...
to support what?
That they are related? or that they aren't related?
lol Delic army would be such a great Necron force lol lotsa possabilities, Ancient Necrons hovering up from the ground to suck the life out of a planet.
Anung Un Rama wrote:btw.: is it just me, or did the Doctor seemed to know what the Flesh is?
He blatantly did.
Considering the Flesh were in that episode with that freaky hospital run by cats he must know what they are.
Really? I can't remember that.
It was the one with the cats...
I think it was the second episode with Rose...
I only remember it 'cos i had to watch it in Japanese for some reason...
According to Doctor Who Wiki that's just a coincidence of them having the same name, they're completely unrelated.
There doesn't seem much to support that...
to support what?
That they are related? or that they aren't related?
That they aren't related.
What evidence is there that they are related though?
To me it seems that they were referred to as "the flesh" because they weren't considered to be real humans, but were humans biologically, so to the sisters they were just lumps of disease riddled meat.
They are both clones. The Dr seems to know something about them that no one else does. And, according to Dr. who Wiki he claims to have met the previously... Under history 3rd paragraph. http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Flesh
purplefood wrote:They are both clones.
The Dr seems to know something about them that no one else does.
And, according to Dr. who Wiki he claims to have met the previously...
Under history 3rd paragraph.
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Flesh
If it was in an episode it would have a reference link thing at the end of the paragraph.
purplefood wrote:They are both clones.
The Dr seems to know something about them that no one else does.
And, according to Dr. who Wiki he claims to have met the previously...
Under history 3rd paragraph.
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Flesh
If it was in an episode it would have a reference link thing at the end of the paragraph.
Fair enough.
There is more evidence point to rather than against IMO.
Don't the Sontarans grow clones in a vat of goo? I think it's a green goo rather than the pancake mix used for 'The Flesh', but similar technology maybe ??
purplefood wrote:They are both clones.
The Dr seems to know something about them that no one else does.
And, according to Dr. who Wiki he claims to have met the previously...
Under history 3rd paragraph.
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Flesh
Just rewatched it with my housemate, he says that they are an early version of the technology, as if when he met them before they were much more advanced.
Some nice nods o' the head towards Frankenstein et al, which were nicely done. A little predictable, perhaps, but then again that's largely to do with the format of the show as well.
I do wonder if the guy who kept sneezing was a clue or something ? Like maybe they already died and were replaced before or something.
.. why yes, I did enjoy "Moon" immensely too BTW.
Once again we're presented or teased with the possibility of their being another Time Lord/similar.. a recurring theme of the series so far. One can only assume that this is a tease towards however they resolve the ..problem... from the first episode.
I'm assuming that at least part of Rory's motivation is that he too has, essentially, gone through something very similar to what the vat clones are going through. If this is the case or is touched upon then I can only applaud them for this character work.
.. whilst once again thinking this is another ( previously referred to or reminded to us earlier in the series) reference to a copy of a thing being a thing and/or replacement.
Or of course it could just be that this is coincidence and he's acting as he is purely for the needs of the plot.
I kept thinking the same thing about the sneezing (and i loved MOON too ), but wasnt sure if it was maybe something to help us differentiate between the humans and the Flesh.
Both myself and my housemate agreed that Rory's story was completely out of character. Even though he is a nurse, and a caring person, theres no way he would suddenly have feelings for another woman that quickly (he waited for Amy for 2000 years for Gods sake!).
purplefood wrote:I suppose so but it can't have been easy, he must have killed a whoe boatload of people.
Erm, why would he have killed lots of people?
I mean, im sure he did at some point or another, but why a boatload
Well think about it.
It's a very mysterious artifact that was around during the time of empires and such. So many different cultures must have tried to claim it and kill him off, he would of had to defend himself and protect the great big box.
purplefood wrote:I suppose so but it can't have been easy, he must have killed a whoe boatload of people.
Erm, why would he have killed lots of people?
I mean, im sure he did at some point or another, but why a boatload
Well think about it.
It's a very mysterious artifact that was around during the time of empires and such. So many different cultures must have tried to claim it and kill him off, he would of had to defend himself and protect the great big box.
O OK, thought you had a different reason than that lol, thats pretty much what i thought of as well @Ledabot, well it is made here.... (alright, in Wales but close enough)
purplefood wrote:I suppose so but it can't have been easy, he must have killed a whoe boatload of people.
Erm, why would he have killed lots of people?
I mean, im sure he did at some point or another, but why a boatload
Well think about it.
It's a very mysterious artifact that was around during the time of empires and such. So many different cultures must have tried to claim it and kill him off, he would of had to defend himself and protect the great big box.
O OK, thought you had a different reason than that lol, thats pretty much what i thought of as well @Ledabot, well it is made here.... (alright, in Wales but close enough)
but since we are in the commonwelth you would think that we would get it before france but nooooo. we have to wait.
I think im having a bad day. i dont think ive posted anything positive yet....
O PLEASE tell me someone else watched tonights episode??!! on the whole , the actual episode was pretty meh, but the ending.......o thank you whoever is listening, there is something to look forward to next week!!
The episode was ace A little exploration of personality and self combined with some awesome hilarity with the double Doctors. I had an inkling that the real Dr and his Ganger were being confused but it was a nice plot twist. And that ending........ absolutely bleeding fantastic.
purplefood wrote:I was a bit worried the Doctor Smith was gonna go a touch mental, near the middle...
Mmm same here, i was a bit concerned they werent showing us their shoes.....but it all worked out i suppose.
A little annoyed they didnt explain the whole Rory + Jennifer thing AT ALL, or how the Doctor seems to have had 2 Sonic screwdrivers
purplefood wrote:I was a bit worried the Doctor Smith was gonna go a touch mental, near the middle...
Mmm same here, i was a bit concerned they werent showing us their shoes.....but it all worked out i suppose.
A little annoyed they didnt explain the whole Rory + Jennifer thing AT ALL, or how the Doctor seems to have had 2 Sonic screwdrivers
He can make a new screwdriver...
I was completly freaked out by Jennifer... she went craaazy...
On the whole, I agree with pretty much everything that's been said on the episode.
It wasn't all that good near the end.. especially with another repeat of the stereo-typical "The escape route/vehicle is right over here, lets martyr ourselves pointlessly instead!"
To be honest, the plot has been rather transparent throughout the entire series, increasingly so the further in we've gotten.
From a dramatic viewpoint that was necessary to get rid of the excess Doctor and to show that the Gangers were capable of proper human empathy and emotion.
I don't understand why Jennifer went so off the rails, though.
BBC wrote:The Daleks are to be given "a rest" from Doctor Who, writer Steven Moffat has told the Radio Times.
Moffat, who is also the BBC television show's executive producer, said: "They aren't going to make an appearance for a while. We thought it was about time to give them a rest."
The Daleks were voted the scariest villains in the history of Doctor Who in a poll of fans in 2007.
Moffat said they had been defeated by the Doctor "about 400 times".
Created by Terry Nation, the Daleks are the Doctor's hugely popular enemies who have made regular appearances in the long-running science fiction show since first appearing in 1963.
Moffat said: "There's a problem with the Daleks. They are the most famous of the Doctor's adversaries and the most frequent, which means they are the most reliably defeatable enemies in the universe."
Recent episodes of the show, which stars Matt Smith as the timelord, have been criticised for being "too scary for children".
But Moffat said: "It is horror, but horror for children. It's scary in the way that a fairy story can be scary."
That could just be people typing the wrong thing rather than it not being correct corpses, God knows i do it enough.... and i have to say it was my housemate who picked up on it. We assumed flashbacks too, but Who knows?
And i have thought it was 'The Silents' ever since it turned out they were a race (rather than silence).
Da Boss wrote:Did what happened at the end not seem to go against everything else the Doctor had done and said with regard to 'gangers? Or did I miss something?
I didnt think so, he hinted that the gangers would become a new 'race' in the future, but needed to study their early development so that he could save Amy (still not entirely sure how destroying the ganger would do this, but im hoping it will be explained).
Da Boss wrote:Did what happened at the end not seem to go against everything else the Doctor had done and said with regard to 'gangers? Or did I miss something?
The gangers in the acid mining plant were self aware and sentient after the accident, the Amy he "turned off" wasn't sentient, it was being "driven" by the captive Amy.
Kilkrazy wrote:I don't understand why Jennifer went so off the rails, though.
A Deus Ex Machina probably.
I think it was to do with finding the discarded Flesh. The others seemed to be unaware of it, just Jennifer.
I guess seeing several of yourself all manked up and, well, blobtastic would drive someone already confused and hurt right over the edge into 'completely effing tonto' territory.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh, and I seriously, seriously hope we see more of Liz 10. Really good character that one!
olivertcurtis wrote:I heard that they were getting rid of the Daleks. I am happy about this because the look like toy pepper pots on wheels. I much prefer the Cybermen.
David Tenant RULES!!!
They're not getting rid of our belovedly terrible Daleks, they're just "giving them a rest".
olivertcurtis wrote:I heard that they were getting rid of the Daleks. I am happy about this because the look like toy pepper pots on wheels. I much prefer the Cybermen.
David Tenant RULES!!!
They're not getting rid of our belovedly terrible Daleks, they're just "giving them a rest".
This isnt a bad thing to me, i was getting pretty sick of 'So its the season finale...any thoughts on the villain......?....no? OK, Daleks it is then'
olivertcurtis wrote:I heard that they were getting rid of the Daleks. I am happy about this because the look like toy pepper pots on wheels. I much prefer the Cybermen.
David Tenant RULES!!!
They're not getting rid of our belovedly terrible Daleks, they're just "giving them a rest".
This isnt a bad thing to me, i was getting pretty sick of 'So its the season finale...any thoughts on the villain......?....no? OK, Daleks it is then'
The Daleks just get so utterly annihilated every time now.. it'd be nice if they actually had some victories for once! Not that I condone mass genocide and xenophobia and murder and such things..
olivertcurtis wrote:I heard that they were getting rid of the Daleks. I am happy about this because the look like toy pepper pots on wheels. I much prefer the Cybermen.
David Tenant RULES!!!
They're not getting rid of our belovedly terrible Daleks, they're just "giving them a rest".
This isnt a bad thing to me, i was getting pretty sick of 'So its the season finale...any thoughts on the villain......?....no? OK, Daleks it is then'
The Daleks just get so utterly annihilated every time now.. it'd be nice if they actually had some victories for once! Not that I condone mass genocide and xenophobia and murder and such things..
Overall a nice episode which certainly didn't go in the direction I expected it to. But the ending....
Just to get this straight, Amy saw the woman with the eyepatch the first time in 602, in the orphan home. That could mean that the switch happend while she was fleeing across America.
according to the actress, in Dr. Who Confidential after the show, we have in fact been watching the artifical/puppet Amy for this entire season, meaning she was snatched either in the last one or between seasons.
Assuming that she was correct and wasn't simplifying or mistaken anyway.
olivertcurtis wrote:I heard that they were getting rid of the Daleks. I am happy about this because the look like toy pepper pots on wheels. I much prefer the Cybermen.
David Tenant RULES!!!
They're not getting rid of our belovedly terrible Daleks, they're just "giving them a rest".
This isnt a bad thing to me, i was getting pretty sick of 'So its the season finale...any thoughts on the villain......?....no? OK, Daleks it is then'
The Daleks just get so utterly annihilated every time now.. it'd be nice if they actually had some victories for once! Not that I condone mass genocide and xenophobia and murder and such things..
Thats the problem, if your goal in every episode is the destruction of the universe then they can't ever have any victories. They need to start small, like stealing a cookie or something, it could even be a time cookie
Ha, I knew that there was a break! River is Amy’s daughter! Omg! Lol! That’s what the answer to the riddle saying;"The only water in the forest is river" or something like that!
Wonderful episode IMO. Showing how powerful the doctor is, and the showing how utterly dangerous that power is through River's speech... fantastic writing.
Saw the child being the girl in the Space Suit coming, but not the rest of it! Very impressed.
What I can't wait to find out is if this Madame Kovarian character is River or not. If she is, then doesn't it create a paradox when you kidnap yourself? The actress is listed as 'Frances Barber' but isn't given a picture. Double bluff by the BBC?
Crap!
That episode was terrible. It's got all the worst aspects of Doctor Who crammed into it.
Argh. I couldn't count the ways I hate that episode right now, because I gotta go mark tests. But I liked the overall idea and absolutely hated the execution. Urgh.
Also, can we PLEASE have less Fangirl characters going OMIGOD THE DOCTOR! Puke.
Hmmm, not as good as i thought from last weeks lead up, but still liked it. Have to say, i missed the whole River/Melody thing till right at the end (basically till it was explained ) what can i say? its been a long day Actually, we dont know whos trapped in the Astronaut suit anymore, it might not be River corpses.
I actually mostly enjoyed this episode. It's nice to tie up some loose ends. though it seems like everyone agrees that post 2005 Doctor seems to have a lot of women in his life, with some very confusing interrelationships.
Darkvoidof40k wrote:To be honest the best thing they could do is retcon the 11th Doctor and have him regenerate back into the 10th some how.
I got really bored of 10th and I think Matt Smith is doing a great job. His Doctor is alot more interesting then 10, he's more alien and more violent.
The 10th and the 4th were the best. However matt smith is doing a good job, I think yeastardays epsoide was the best one since the 2 parter for the silence.
To be honest,i have not liked a lot of the episodes so far.On the other hand,Matt Smith has been excellent i think and forms my top 3 with Tom Baker and David Tennant.
To be honest I can't complain about ANY of the 10th Doctor's episodes. Sure, there's probably a few things I didn't like, but nothing that ruins the entire thing.
But with the 11th Doctor? Every episode is terrible; to varying degrees. The highlight of the series so far has been when he died.
Darkvoidof40k wrote:
The 11th is just.. ugh. Silly. Too silly. I can't take any of this series seriously.
"The Headless Monks!"
Bloody rediculous.
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You keep talking like this is the first time Doctor Who has been this way, but you also talk like you've seen the original series. These two things are mutually exclusive.
Darkvoidof40k wrote:
The 11th is just.. ugh. Silly. Too silly. I can't take any of this series seriously.
"The Headless Monks!"
Bloody rediculous.
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You keep talking like this is the first time Doctor Who has been this way, but you also talk like you've seen the original series. These two things are mutually exclusive.
Let us recall the celery stick?
Of course Doctor Who has lots of funny and silly bits and always has. It's just the fact that every episode, there's new bullcrap to put it basically. Always stupid answers, stupid ways out of it, and terrible execution of plot. A lot of the 11th's story lines have been great and had lots of potential, but their execution has just been so terrible.
Yes, I think that's the root of the problem I have with the 11th Doctor's episodes: the execution. They just do it so badly. But I won't deny that there're things in some of the episodes I would've liked to have changed anyway because they were such poor Deus Ex Machinas.
I didn't have much of a problem with tonight's episode. I liked how it brought back all the characters from the past few series and showed us they hadn't just forgotten them, and Rory's insecurities showing up when the Sontaran said he was just a nurse. But it was pretty obvious River, the little girl and Amy's baby were the same person, and Matt Smith's voice is....just....SO FETHING IRRITATING RAAAAAAAWWWRRRRWRWRWRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAWWWRRR!!!!!!!
Darkvoid, seriously, give it a rest. You like Tennant, you don't like Smith, we get it, it's fine, you don't have to keep going on about it.
I agree, generally, the execution has been poor. The worst thing they've been doing is trying to make it more...awesome and badass. It's not awesome and badass in a traditional sense and they shouldn't try and force it, it just doesn't work. I feel like they are relying a lot on the show's name and momentum to generate drama instead of using decent plotting, script, and direction. The action scenes tend to be really badly directed and when we're expected to take it so seriously it really breaks my suspension of disbelief. I can deal with silly fights or stuff when the show isn't screaming "I AR EPIC" at me with every fibre of it's being, but when it is, it grates horribly.
Worst example of that was River's voice over. That was cringeworthy. See the problem is I love the concept of the episode, but man, they just didn't carry it off with the right amount of gravitas. I don't put that at Smith's door, he's done well before and did well with what he was given there, but his supporting cast and the direction and script are just weak.
Also. Please. God. Let them stop uselessly pointing guns at someone they want to kill, and just let someone goddamned shoot him when he's mid monologue. Argh! Even physically BEATING HIM TO DEATH could have worked at several points in that episode.
Da Boss wrote:Darkvoid, seriously, give it a rest. You like Tennant, you don't like Smith, we get it, it's fine, you don't have to keep going on about it.
I agree, generally, the execution has been poor. The worst thing they've been doing is trying to make it more...awesome and badass. It's not awesome and badass in a traditional sense and they shouldn't try and force it, it just doesn't work. I feel like they are relying a lot on the show's name and momentum to generate drama instead of using decent plotting, script, and direction. The action scenes tend to be really badly directed and when we're expected to take it so seriously it really breaks my suspension of disbelief. I can deal with silly fights or stuff when the show isn't screaming "I AR EPIC" at me with every fibre of it's being, but when it is, it grates horribly.
Worst example of that was River's voice over. That was cringeworthy. See the problem is I love the concept of the episode, but man, they just didn't carry it off with the right amount of gravitas. I don't put that at Smith's door, he's done well before and did well with what he was given there, but his supporting cast and the direction and script are just weak.
Also. Please. God. Let them stop uselessly pointing guns at someone they want to kill, and just let someone goddamned shoot him when he's mid monologue. Argh! Even physically BEATING HIM TO DEATH could have worked at several points in that episode.
Agreed. Except for the top bit telling me to stop ranting; I shall rant all I like.
I like Matt Smith...
Incidentally, i also liked the episode, the twist was a touch predictable after all the foreshadowing but it was a nice episode and well written... more or less.
Seriously, what's will all the hate in this thread? People keept bashing RTDs episodes and now everyone hates the last two seasons?
I for one loved the mid-season finale. Because, let's face it, the Doctor IS a Bad-Ass. Granted, I've never seen the old show, but the new one is bad-ass all the ime. When Nine flew the Tardis right in the middle of the Dalek fleet head on. When Ten imprisons the Family of Blood. And let's not forget Elevens Stonehenge speach (which, loses quite a bit of impact if you know that they just tricked him, but it was still awesome).
A good man goes to war was sooo great. I nearly pissed himself when they turned all expectations we had about the father around TWICE.
He has lived for hundreds of years. And his name is the last centurion.
That was brilliant! Because even when I was perfectly sure that Amy never could've had something with the Doctor the way they establish her relationship with Rory that one line came so out of nowhere and was turned around again. Never would have thought Rory, I mean fething RORY, could be some damn bad-ass.
Yes, the show is ridicoulus over the top. But there is no other show that can actually pull this off like Doctor Who. Spitfires in Space? Hell Yeah!
The revelation was not what I expected. For a minute I thought River was the Doctor's mother. I'm not sure I'm quite comfortable with this. It puts a big spin on a character a lot of people seemed to hate. But now I'll have to check Silence in the Library again and see how she dies.
Do we know the girl soldier? I don't remember her.
Anung, I didn't dislike the last season (season 5) at all, I loved it. And Tennants last couple of seasons have brilliant moments.
I'm not enjoying this season as much, because I think it's falling into some of the self indulgent traps that the later Tennant seasons did. It won't stop me watching the show, but it will frustrate me (if it continues).
No idea if anyone else clocked it, but those Cybermen do not appear to be the alternate universe onces. They are proper, proper cybermen. Who hopefully no longer say delete when jobbing someone.
Mr Mystery wrote:No idea if anyone else clocked it, but those Cybermen do not appear to be the alternate universe onces. They are proper, proper cybermen. Who hopefully no longer say delete when jobbing someone.
How can you tell? Chestplates were blank.
Doesn't this theory suggest that they should follow the previous Cyberman design? There's no reason the "original" ones would just copy the "new" ones (unless they cared about trying to look not-stupid).
I would just like to point out and remind posters that Dr Who is for kids, the fact that we as adults like it is a plus. Obviously they try to walk a fine line producing a show that kids like and that the parents will sit an watch as well, but it's aimed at kids. So for crying out loud give it a rest when it comes dissecting which Dr was the best one. Stop delving into the storyline of each episode as if it's an episode of Battlestar Galactica, Stagate Universe or Lost. It's for kids and as long as they are still watching it, that is all that matters.
if we might get, eventually, a new "flesh" body for River, into which they "download" her personality/soul from the massive library planet,and then the Dr. fixes this into being a real/permanent body using Tardis/time energies like he did with the worker doppels.
I am also thinking that the person inside the astronaut suit might well be the Dr. too -- who kills a flesh duplicate of himself -- which he now knows is possible to make, and knows that they watch him die -- because at the time that happens Amy is still a flesh puppet and he wants to convince the clerics and co. that he really, really is dead.
With the Tardis being hidden under/in the lake.
I still wonder a little bit about the Omega type symbol on the soldiers uniform... Omega would indeed, possibly, be able to "hack" into a Tardis wherever it was/is in space and time to enable the flesh Amy to keep functioning.
Perhaps he wants a timelord body to possess or something.
This would perhaps also tie in neatly with the constant little hints and teases about the possibility of there being other time lords left alive somewhere.
Or that could be nothing, dragging up Omega would, perhaps, be a bit too much from the past possibly.
It would make sense, that the Doctor who got killed in the first episode was a duplicate, but somehow it still seems too easy a solution.
And why would the Doctor kill himself? He clearly enjoyed the company.
...I think the fleash have a very importaint part in this later serise?...
...Just wandering
They'll be used as a dodge...
What do you mean?Something like a red hearing?
No...
They have already shown the Doctor getting jobbed.
They will clearly want to avoid having to not continue the show so it is likely they will use the gangers as a dodge to avoid having the Doctor killed...
Quite a few of Moffat's episodes seem to focus around some group actually going after the Doctor. The united villians with the Pandorica, now the Omega army or whatever they called. They knew what danger the Doctor is and they go after him.
The 10th Doctor usually just stumbled into these things.
I prefer Tennent, but quite a lot of that comes from Smith's story lines being....kinda meh, which is a shame because IMHO hes doing a good job as the Doctor.
Da Boss wrote:Darkvoid, can you explain why you think the 11th doctor is an idiot? What qualities does he have that annoy you so much?
Well, internet posts do have the annoying habit of coming across harsher than intended.. but to be honest, he just does stupid things and is rather too arrogent for my liking, to briefly name a few things.
Revenent Reiko wrote:He just loves Tennant
<3
Goliath wrote:
Darkvoidof40k wrote:Also, the 11th is a bit of an idiot.
(I foresee getting flak for that)
The 10th was a very good and very well developed character though, and his story was inexorably tied in with that of the 9th Doctor's brief series.
seriously, can you stop it with the constant Matt Smith hate?
It seems that every post you make is praising Tennant as if he is the messiah, and criticising Smith.
You like Tennant. You wish he hadn't quit. We Get It!
Here we go again.. I told you I foresaw the flak.
I don't hate Matt Smith, I just don't like his episodes much. His character is funny sometimes, but loses the feel of Doctor Who too much. Oh yes, I will continue to exercise my ability to complain about Matt Smith whenever possible.
Revenent Reiko wrote:I prefer Tennent, but quite a lot of that comes from Smith's story lines being....kinda meh, which is a shame because IMHO hes doing a good job as the Doctor.
As an older viewer I feel the 11th Doctor is a return to the original version seen in the first three incarnations, who were often rather irascible and aloof, though fundamentally kind and protective to humans. They also dressed in a more old fashioned style like this one.
Kilkrazy wrote:As an older viewer I feel the 11th Doctor is a return to the original version seen in the first three incarnations, who were often rather irascible and aloof, though fundamentally kind and protective to humans. They also dressed in a more old fashioned style like this one.
You might be onto something here KK, especially considering the odd hints at previous Doctors we've had recently.
Darkvoidof40k wrote:Also, the 11th is a bit of an idiot.
(I foresee getting flak for that)
The 10th was a very good and very well developed character though, and his story was inexorably tied in with that of the 9th Doctor's brief series.
He's not that bad, he's just in the shadow of one of the best Doctors there ever was. I know he's over the top, but can you really say that the 10th wasn't? The entire point of the Doctor is that it's over the top. Some of the writing has been terrible, but that's not Matt's fault anyway. The only thing I don't like is how his voice is so annoying. Seriously, when he gets angry his lips start quivering and he develops a lisp, his voice keeps getting moany and wierd, spit flies everywhere...it's like watching him have a seizure in slow motion.
And...Russel T Davies........Love and Monsters....(rushes to bathroom and vomits profusely)
if we might get, eventually, a new "flesh" body for River, into which they "download" her personality/soul from the massive library planet,and then the Dr. fixes this into being a real/permanent body using Tardis/time energies like he did with the worker doppels.
I am also thinking that the person inside the astronaut suit might well be the Dr. too -- who kills a flesh duplicate of himself -- which he now knows is possible to make, and knows that they watch him die -- because at the time that happens Amy is still a flesh puppet and he wants to convince the clerics and co. that he really, really is dead.
With the Tardis being hidden under/in the lake.
I still wonder a little bit about the Omega type symbol on the soldiers uniform... Omega would indeed, possibly, be able to "hack" into a Tardis wherever it was/is in space and time to enable the flesh Amy to keep functioning.
Perhaps he wants a timelord body to possess or something.
This would perhaps also tie in neatly with the constant little hints and teases about the possibility of there being other time lords left alive somewhere.
Or that could be nothing, dragging up Omega would, perhaps, be a bit too much from the past possibly.
McCoy remains my firm favourite. For classic 'and that's what you get for fething with not only one of the most intelligent, and powerful beings in the universe, but also one with an immense amount of compassion, fethface' I can highly reccomend Silver Nemesis, Remembrance Of The Daleks and Curse Of Fenric. Seriously very very different side to the Doctor then.
Also, the conclusion of Remebrance could well be said to be the opening shot of the Time War.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh yes, and Matt Smith is on board for another seasons. YAYS!
I love Smith, I prefer his character to Tennant's in ways that I can't exactly pinpoint.
His usually jovial sort of demeanour and then sudden slips into the void of sadness and anger are great, as they're so sudden, and he's usually completely silent before erupting.
Tennant was the same in some ways, but he wasn't as whacky as Smith, he always kept a darker undertone to his character, even when he was quite happy; it made his slips into anger a bit less surprising and less powerful to me.
His being there for another series is also great news
Red: Thanks for that Private Eye link, it certainly sheds some light on some questionable decisions. Guess they've got to learn to live within their means as a show again.
14 episodes have been confirmed for 2012 though, they just may not all air in 2012.
There's quite a few inaccuracies in the Private Eye piece. The split this season was decided ages ago, it wasn't due to any kind of panic that they couldn't complete on time. Also the filming on the episodes for this season finished at the beginning of May meaning they have over six months to do post production on just six episodes. That's hardly going to break them to meet the Xmas deadline is it? Peter Bennet only joined the programme for season 5 so hasn't been there "since 2005". The programme "Baker Boys" is made by BBC Wales just like Doctor Who, so if loads of people were trying to get away from Piers Wenger they weren't trying very hard. Also in contradiction to the 'joint venture' it's actually the case that Peter Bennet isn't even one of those working on Baker Boys so that's a fact-failure too.
So considering all that, you have to wonder if there's much in this story at all, it sounds like rubbish.
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purplefood wrote:Did they set out trying to do Dr. Who-esque stuff or did it just end up like that?
Well I think like many companies they are doing "not" figures. Heresy also do a few not-Firefly figures and Hasslefree do all sorts of things like a Shaun of the Dead and a not-Buffy.
Anisty Castings have just re-released their resin tardis BTW.
Wow! "Good Man goes to war" was so EPIC!
I was a bit let down by the last two episodes (especially that you could have put all of it into one)this was absolutly great stuff.
On another note: Coul we open a "who is the best Doctor" Thread for all the guys you need to complain about smith or tennant ...
Sat sitting here, watching Series 5...the museum, episode 4, where the Doctor finds the ships black box....final resting place of the Headless Monks...
I first started collecting knickers in 1983 when at the Longleat Exhibition I was sold a pair of Janet Fielding's underwear by a make-up lady. But let me be clear on this; there is nothing "perverted" or "weird" about my collection. We all collect things we like, and I find knickers more personal than an autograph on the back of a plastic cup.
To date I have ninety four pairs of knickers which I think you'll agree is a wonderful achievement! I have built this collection up by begging, borrowing and on three occasions stealing. I like to write to female Doctor Who celebrities for items of their clothing and over the years it's become pretty clear to me that the way to ask is to not refer to their "knickers" but their "feminine undergarments".
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People are *always* asking me if I have any men's pants from Doctor Who. I'd like to make it absolutely clear right now that I am not a gay pervert. Lots of my very best friends are gay but the thought of asking for another man's pants is frankly dirty. To this end I rather hope I've heard the last of one cast member who continually *insisted* on sending me items of his clothing.
M@MAX wrote:Wow! "Good Man goes to war" was so EPIC!
I was a bit let down by the last two episodes (especially that you could have put all of it into one)this was absolutly great stuff.
On another note: Coul we open a "who is the best Doctor" Thread for all the guys you need to complain about smith or tennant ...
The headless monks made me thinking about 40k..lol
I agree that the headless monks seemed like they'd fit into 40k, and that they're not just a star wars thing like I heard from some people. Notably, their swords looked like I picture a power sword, and certainly aren't light sabers (since they have a metal blade surrounded by energy).
But let me be clear on this; there is nothing "perverted" or "weird" about my collection... People are *always* asking me if I have any men's pants from Doctor Who. I'd like to make it absolutely clear right now that I am not a gay pervert. Lots of my very best friends are gay but the thought of asking for another man's pants is frankly dirty.
On the weird bit - I like that he insists that he's not doing anything 'perverted' or 'weird', but thinks that he would have to be a gay pervert to collect men's underwear. I suspect that what he's got is a lot of people buying some panties from Walmart, then saying 'oh yeah, it was from this star's wardrobe' to get him to pay money for them. This is a really common scam when selling movie props.
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Darkvoidof40k wrote:He gave himself boobs.
I loved his enthusiasm about them. He might feel that being a nurse is a terrible thing, but the fact that a job sucks is no reason to half-ass things!
Heres is a clip of the very first episode ( before my time , Pertwee & Baker where my years , it went down hill after Baker )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW6VV8nIwMs
I'm posting this picture to explain why I haven't been blogging as much as usual of late (sorry 'bout that). I've been busy with this little project. A few advance notices have appeared on Amazon and similar sites, but I thought it was time I blogged an official word here as well. It's due out for Christmas - it's a Christmassy kinda story, as you can tell by the, uh, Ice Warriors - so it's on a helluva tight turn around. But it's also a helluva big honour to write this year's major hardback (last year's Christmas book was by Mr Moorcock, if you recall). I'm loving every minute of it, and I think it's going to be a cracker.
OMG, I didn't just make the 'Christmas cracker' joke in public, did I?
Anyway - Amy, Rory, Matt Smith's Doctor and some Ice Warriors. Did I mention the Ice Warriors? I got chills, baby! Chills!
oh hell yes !
Torchwood on Thursday too for us Ukers, it already having been shown in the USA.
.. anyone catch it ? Thoughts please -- but use spoilers please !
Dam. they stopped the freaken series half way threw for some dumb show about protagonists in afganastan. because we wernt aready a whole season behind!
Super pumped for Torchwood tonight! I'm interested to see how they develop Jack's character. Has he moved on from the events of Children of Earth, or is his confidence waning and affecting his leadership?
So Torchwood season 4, episode 1 just finished... I'm glad seasons 3 and now 4 have finally worked out what Torchwood should have been all along. That was all kinds of cool
Anyhoo. To keep up the cartoony Dr Who goodness, here's a Tom Baker that I drew a few years back. I never did get around to finishing all of the others...
I didn't really watch too much of the last series of Torchwood. It really started to wane to the point where I wasn't too bothered about it and never caught the conclusion.
So I sat down to watch last night thinking that there would be parts that I missed from the end of Series 3, but it was all so slow and explained (presumably for the expected US and BBC1 audiences) that it really didn't matter. As Red says it was alright but after the rest-o-da-series preview I’m not sure I’ll really pull out all of the stops to watch as I would with Dr Who.
Good: US money, effects are better as a result - Not-corpse on the slab was a little unsettling (that being the point)
Moving away from Wales to the US should be better locations and not just the same old damp Cardiff
The US actors - The CIA agent chap (from ER) was good, and the ladies were pretty. I quite enjoyed trying to place them all in the series that they had appeared in before.
Bad: [sarcasm] I think Russell T Davis might be gay and has to let everyone know it is okay to be gay by including it in every story-line if the preview and past series of Torchwood and to a lesser extent Dr Who are anything to go bi. [sarcasm] Seriously though, we get the point Russell but it looks like we could be in for more of the same.
Slow, slow, Q...Slow, Sloooow - Setting the scene is one thing but this was hardly a rip-roaring introduction to Torchwood. They really seem to be concentrating on a 10 episode arc.
Ugly: While I appreciate that it is a BBC Wales production -Welsh accents, "I'm Welsh not English bitch!" blah blah blah. Not sure why this is starting to grate with me but it is. I'm sure the exaggeration is for the US audiences benefit but they seem to be laying it on a bit thick. Ideally Gwen would ditch her wet blanket husband and let the action commence without his incessant moaning.
Is this trying (in terms of series setup) to be a 24 clone?
Watched Torchy for the first time last night. Loved it. But I have to agree, that "teaser".. Yeah.. went on for freakin' ever. I just sat there thinking "Well, I know 90% of the plot for the rest of the series now."
The first episode of Torchwood managed Starz viewing figures that were, as many have observed, comparable to those of Camelot.
You know Camelot, it’s a silly place. It was also the show with Eva Green (nice) that got cancelled after one season (nasty).
So, bad news for Captain Jack’s big move to America. Even worse, the second episode saw viewing figures drop drastically.
Entertainment Weekly report at 30% drop. Sharp. It doesn’t seem likely that an extra third of the viewers went timeslip and fired up the Tivos, but the less urgent imperative with a second episode could have driven some folks to the DVR and account for some of the 30% figure.
It’s looking like curtains for the US rendition of the show though, of course, nothing is final yet and we’re certainly a long way from an official announcement.
Will the BBC move ahead with any more episodes all by themselves? My guess is yes.
Last week’s screening of episode one received an approval rating off 85, which is considered a real win. If they really are as motivated by these Appreciation Index scores as they say they are, more Torchwood looks like pretty much inevitable.
whether or not the cure they cooked up is even vaguely plausible, but it was written well enough for me not to care. Thought Pullman was amazingly good in his role as well.
I think Edta does treat heavy metal poisoning, but whether you can have a single lethal dose of arsnic and then cobble together various ingredients and boil them in a kettle before directly injecting them into someone is a different matter...
Did any of the UK viewers experience sound balancing issues? At times I was struggling to hear what the actors were saying because of the overbearing music. Thought the episode was good, but I hope they rectify this annoyance.
Thoroughly enjoyed it. When what's-her-face with the broken/twisted neck was walking backwards towards them (even though the entrance to the building was indeed in the direction she was walking, yet the only plausible place she could have exited) and one of them said "just drive" I assumed they were going to just run her over. Apparently reversing in the other direction caused her to fall over sufficiently, so no worries. /ramble
The trailer for the next one looks very interesting.
I was quite disappointed by the new torchwood. I appreciate that it's made to be shown in the US as well as the Uk but I feel that they have made it entirely for america rather than both. IMO they have lost a lot of what made torchwood good. I really don't like the way they have made the CIA far ahead of torchwood when the first few series show torchwood as being more powerful than any human based organisation. The american characters are much more useful than either Gwen or Jack. I wasn't a fan of them going over to the US either. It may be me but I got the "feth yeah go america" feel which is a shame as I loved the first 3 series.
CadianXV wrote:Did any of the UK viewers experience sound balancing issues?..................... but I hope they rectify this annoyance.
That would be the Welsh accents mate, but since she is a main character I can't see it being rectified.
I was better but still only okay. Still seems a bit like they are trying to be a bit 24 to me.
Nope thats not it. I live in Cardiff, and can understand Welsh accents perfectly. It was the music drowning out the words I was complaining about, not how the characters were speaking. I take it you didn't experience this?
CadianXV wrote:Did any of the UK viewers experience sound balancing issues?..................... but I hope they rectify this annoyance.
That would be the Welsh accents mate, but since she is a main character I can't see it being rectified.
I was better but still only okay. Still seems a bit like they are trying to be a bit 24 to me.
Nope thats mohoni. Buchedda i mewn Caerdydd , a all ddeall Cymraeg acenion 'n anhyfreg. Bu 'r beroriaeth yn boddi i maes 'r eiriau Achwynwn am , mo fel 'r chymeriadau were yn areithio. Chymera 'i 'ch didn't brofi hon?
4M2A wrote:IMO they have lost a lot of what made torchwood good.
As someone who loves Who and couldn't even make it through the first season before giving up on Torchwood, I find myself unable to make sense of your statement.
Like all things it's subjective. Torchwood is certainly very different to Dr Who. While the setting is the same the roles the characters fill is much darker and the show looks at the Dr Who setting from another perspective. A lot of things which are key to Dr Who are reversed in torchwood so it would make sense that some people who like Dr who hate torchwood. I find Dr Who watchable at best, I love the deep, interesting setting but don't like the type of stories doctor who focuses on. This has just become worse recently- there is no suspence or concern for the characters because they are obviously going to be ok and if the die they will be saved later on. I like a lot of the characters but can't stand the Doctor. For me Torchwood took what I liked about Dr Who and made story lines I found much more interesting.
notprop wrote:
Nope thats mohoni. Buchedda i mewn Caerdydd , a all ddeall Cymraeg acenion 'n anhyfreg. Bu 'r beroriaeth yn boddi i maes 'r eiriau Achwynwn am , mo fel 'r chymeriadau were yn areithio. Chymera 'i 'ch didn't brofi hon?
Trawiadol. Rydych yn Gymraeg felly?
In other news, I have discovered that snotlings have been messing with the T.V. So just my sound thats been messed up.
Episode 8: Let's Kill Hitler
Written by Steven Moffat
The gang's all back! The Doctor, Amy, River and Rory return in what promises to be an action-packed belter of an adventure. So far the following details have emerged:
'In the desperate search for Melody Pond, the TARDIS crash lands in 1930s Berlin, bringing the Doctor face to face with the greatest war criminal in the Universe. And Hitler. The Doctor must teach his adversaries that time travel has responsibilities - and in so doing, learns a harsh lesson in the cruellest warfare of all.'
We also know it features Albert Welling as Hitler and is directed by Richard Senior, previously at the helm for Time and Space plus the Doctor Who pre-title sequence for this year's NTA awards.
Episode 9: Night Terrors
Written by Mark Gatiss
Mark Gatiss has previously written spooky episodes including The Unquiet Dead and The Idiot's Lantern, but he promises that Night Terrors features some of the scariest moments he's ever dreamt up! The adventure has a modern day setting and features a little boy who has a fear of something... Can the Doctor help him?
Episode 10: The Girl Who Waited
Written by Tom MacRae
Tom MacRae's previous credits include The Rise of the Cybermen/The Age of Steel plus the critically acclaimed The Crash of the Elysium. This is his first television adventure for the Eleventh Doctor and it's directed by Nick Hurran who was recently at the helm for the updated version of the cult classic, The Prisoner.
Episode 11: The God Complex
Written by Toby Whithouse
We know the adventure is set in a hotel and features an alien called Gibbis played by David Walliams. Again, the episode is directed by Nick Hurran and as writer Toby Whithouse was behind School Reunion and The Vampires of Venice, we know we've got something special to look forward to!
Episode 12
Written by Gareth Roberts
Craig Owens is back! The popular character from last year's The Lodger returns and judging from the trailer for eps 8-13 he's getting closer than ever to the Doctor! The adventure is written by Gareth Roberts whose credits include Attack of the Graske, The Unicorn and the Wasp and, of course, The Lodger.
Episode 13
Written by Steven Moffat
The big finale! This one remains shrouded in mystery but Karen Gillan has promised us that the series will contain 'possibly the biggest twist so far'... Is it possible that this is the adventure that delivers it? Steven Moffat penned last year's incredible finale but it's probable that this adventure will conclude the series with a bigger bang than ever!
SO. Farewell then to another executive producer at Doctor Who, with Beth Willis following Piers Wenger out the door. A PR storm has already followed the Eye’s revelations of behind-the-scenes calamity under the leadership of the gruesome twosome and the reduced number of episodes that will air next year.
This time the corporation was taking no chances. As Willis prepared to return to her former employer, independent producer Kudos, BBC Drama controller Ben Stephenson and showrunner Steven Moffat lined up to offer fulsome praise (and there’s a phrase that’s often misused).
Meanwhile more lowly staff at BBC Wales – uncowed by a threat of punishment “in the strongest possible way” should they be proved to have leaked any information to Private Eye – tell us that “we are planning a party for the day they leave Wales, and we will be buying a cake for your informant when we discover who it was.”
Tardis not cleared for take-off
Production on Doctor Who is meanwhile running several months behind the usual schedule. The Christmas special – hitherto filmed in June or July each year – will not see cameras roll until September. Filming on the next series customarily starts shortly afterwards: this time the Tardis is unlikely to take flight before February next year.
The corporation’s commercial arm, BBC Worldwide has had a good look at the figures for 2009, the last year when a smaller number of episodes than usual aired, and has noted that sales of its flagship kids’ title Doctor Who Adventures dropped by nearly two-thirds. It has now reconsidered plans for a massive magazine partwork it was to release in the run-up to the programme’s 50th anniversary in 2013. It has, to use a technical publishing term, been “gak canned”.
So, with the new trailer out, anyone have any idea what the eye patch thing does? I think it might constantly project an image of a silent into that eye so that the wearer can remember them. Since they're making a comeback and people deal with them, they must have worked something out.
I was wondering something similar, if perhaps they have an eye removed and it's kept alive elsewhere and they're still linked to it -- through technology a bit like the meat puppets from earlier in the series -- and that's how they see the Silence so they don't forget them.
reds8n wrote:I was wondering something similar, if perhaps they have an eye removed and it's kept alive elsewhere and they're still linked to it -- through technology a bit like the meat puppets from earlier in the series -- and that's how they see the Silence so they don't forget them.
Better yet: they make a Flesh copy of the eye, the eyepatch is what connects the real eye to the copy, and they put the eye in a room with a captured silent. You'd have just a whole wall of eyes staring at a chained silent, which makes Jenny's accusing wall of eyes thing in Almost People a piece of foreshadowing instead of just a random oddity.
reds8n wrote:I was wondering something similar, if perhaps they have an eye removed and it's kept alive elsewhere and they're still linked to it -- through technology a bit like the meat puppets from earlier in the series -- and that's how they see the Silence so they don't forget them.
Better yet: they make a Flesh copy of the eye, the eyepatch is what connects the real eye to the copy, and they put the eye in a room with a captured silent. You'd have just a whole wall of eyes staring at a chained silent, which makes Jenny's accusing wall of eyes thing in Almost People a piece of foreshadowing instead of just a random oddity.
reds8n wrote:I was wondering something similar, if perhaps they have an eye removed and it's kept alive elsewhere and they're still linked to it -- through technology a bit like the meat puppets from earlier in the series -- and that's how they see the Silence so they don't forget them.
Better yet: they make a Flesh copy of the eye, the eyepatch is what connects the real eye to the copy, and they put the eye in a room with a captured silent. You'd have just a whole wall of eyes staring at a chained silent, which makes Jenny's accusing wall of eyes thing in Almost People a piece of foreshadowing instead of just a random oddity.
.. it's going a bit too slowly for me really, some of the episodes feel a little dragged out.
Pullman has been astoundingly good however, he's fascinating in every scene that he's in.
Digging the overall plot, just wish they'd move things along a little faster, not least as i have increasing trouble believing that the world is as calm and ordered as it's being portrayed as being, I think they'd be much more disruption and chaos.
I agree. Children of Earth worked brilliantly because it was five episodes long. Miracle day is ten, and seems to be progressing at half the pace because of it. I realise the series needs time to introduce the new characters, but so far the plot doesn't seem to warrant being twice as long.
CadianXV wrote:I agree. Children of Earth worked brilliantly because it was five episodes long. Miracle day is ten, and seems to be progressing at half the pace because of it. I realise the series needs time to introduce the new characters, but so far the plot doesn't seem to warrant being twice as long.
Theres a plot now?
Seriously though, i completely agree, its slow and nothing much is happening, getting a bit bored...
This is English actress Nina Toussaint-White. She appears in the upcoming run of Doctor Who, playing the character Mels.
She’s best known for a run on British soap Eastenders a couple of years ago and has worked in theatre since. But she will appear in the upcoming episode, Let’s Kill Hitler.
A name similar to a previous companion (Mel) and a current baby companion (Melody)? Doctor Who only gets that clumsy with surnames such as Smith and Jones… first names are usually kept unique. And with other people credited playing younger versions of her in the same episode?
All I can say is this… keep a close eye on Nina Toussaint-White when she appears on Doctor Who at the end of the month. Her moment has been prepared for.
I've skipped the last 3 pages of this thread to avoid potential Torchwood spoilers but now I've seen Let's kill Hitler and I need to talk about it.
This episode was soooo awesome! Okay, maybe that has something to do with the fact that I didn't get any new Doctor Who for months, but I loved it anyway.
Spoiler:
That's the thing about Doctor Who. You don't just do an episode about the Doctor travelling back in time to meet Hitler. There's also a robot of time traveling miniature people. How do they come up with this stuff?
The revelations about River were really fun, though they do a time loop explanation again, by telling River her name is River because her name is River. Missed some potential character development there.
While this could be an end to the River Song over-exposure some people have been complaining about, I really hope we get to see more of here as a kid. At least for Amy's sake.
I didn't like the episode. It wasn't as much "Let's Kill Hilter!" as "Let's Kill Hitler! At least for the first 5 minutes, then skip to something completely different and forget about him."
corpsesarefun wrote:I agree with avatar completely.
Spoiler:
the whole use regeneration energy to save someone that is dead is such an overused cop out too
Well would you have preferred it if the doctor died?
Yes, then regenerated instead of not being able. I mean what the hell was "regeneration disabled"?!? How do you disable a biological function like that?
Rediculous. I've generally disliked the 11th Doctor's episodes.. but this one was just terrible. I absolutely hated it. Avatar was right, it wasn't even Lets Kill Hitler, it was Lets Save Hitler.
I think if we still had Russell T Davies, this Doctor would work very well. The terrible script writing is just unbelievably bad.
Anung, if you would, I'd be pleased if you could give an explanation as to why you enjoyed the episode so much. I can understand that different people will like different things, but I'm actually very interested as to how anyone could enjoy that episode.
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