A 50 year old TV series about a 900 year old alien who travels around space and time with glamourous assistants in a wooden blue box needs more realism?
CthuluIsSpy wrote: Dinosaurs on a ship? Looks like we need Samuel L Jackson.
On a semi-related note, I would actually like to see a black Doctor.
Yeah, I always found it strange that all 11 regenerations have been white and british. I mean, he's an alien right? I thought his regen had no limit and was completely random. By this point, we should have had an American doctor, an Asian doctor, a female doctor, an Indian doctor, a Black doctor...you get the point. Hell, even an alien doctor would work. I mean on the outside...you know what I mean.
On a semi-related note, I would actually like to see a black Doctor.
I dunno. Jackson as the Doctor would be just.... wrong. Even as a companion he'd be disturbing.
WHAT DOES THE DOCTOR LOOK LIKE?
He...he's white... English...
DOES HE LOOK LIKE A BITCH?
"SAY EXTERMINATE ONE MORE TIME melon-fether, I DARE YOU, I DOUBLE DARE YOU" .................................. Well, you have to admit, he'll get gak done.
All possible new Doctor archetypes aside, seeing as we all know there's very little chance of them changing it, I think the best we can hope for is an alien companion.
That said, I would love to see Johnny Depp as the Doctor. It would be hilarious.
Shucks, who am I kidding. I just want captain Jack Sparrow in space. Say, anyone here good at photoshop?
Darkvoidof40k wrote: All possible new Doctor archetypes aside, seeing as we all know there's very little chance of them changing it, I think the best we can hope for is an alien companion.
Jar Jar Binks as companion? I think there was an alien companion at one point though...can't remember.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: The series seems to be running out of steam in my view. The Dalek horse has been flogged for too long, and they seem to have lost a lot of their potency. Fresh ideas are needed, but instead, we'll get more daleks and more angels...:(
We've not had a Dalek related story for 1 and a half seasons, this is their first appearance since Victory of the Daleks in series 5 (unless you count the very brief cameo in Closing Time from last series). In what capacity are they being "flogged" or overused? Same goes for the Angels. We've not seen them in almost the same amount of time. both have had a rest and are due for another story.
I personally like that we got the Daleks back; though their appearance raised more questions than it answered, such as why are the power ranger "new paradigm" Daleks working with the brass ones? Where did the brass ones come from exactly? Davros ones? Escapees from the Void? Why/how does Skaro still exist? Who knows? It's a massive elephant in the room that incidentally Tennant's Doctor would have asked.
I'm sure it will be answered and hopefully it's not just the BBC skimping on CGI as they already had the models of the brass ones rendered from previous series. Same goes for the supposed appearance of Dalek Sec in the same episode, as his casing is a physical model and was in the background in one of the scenes (bit where Amy is hallucinating). Continuity error courtesy of the BBC prop dept. or something else?
As for the Angels, I'm looking forward totheir next appearance. Mainly due to the fact that
Spoiler:
there will be a certain landmark in New York turns out to be a massive Weeping Angel (supposedly)
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: The series seems to be running out of steam in my view. The Dalek horse has been flogged for too long, and they seem to have lost a lot of their potency. Fresh ideas are needed, but instead, we'll get more daleks and more angels...:(
We've not had a Dalek related story for 1 and a half seasons, this is their first appearance since Victory of the Daleks in series 5 (unless you count the very brief cameo in Closing Time from last series). In what capacity are they being "flogged" or overused? Same goes for the Angels. We've not seen them in almost the same amount of time. both have had a rest and are due for another story.
I personally like that we got the Daleks back; though their appearance raised more questions than it answered, such as why are the power ranger "new paradigm" Daleks working with the brass ones? Where did the brass ones come from exactly? Davros ones? Escapees from the Void? Why/how does Skaro still exist? Who knows? It's a massive elephant in the room that incidentally Tennant's Doctor would have asked.
I'm sure it will be answered and hopefully it's not just the BBC skimping on CGI as they already had the models of the brass ones rendered from previous series. Same goes for the supposed appearance of Dalek Sec in the same episode, as his casing is a physical model and was in the background in one of the scenes (bit where Amy is hallucinating). Continuity error courtesy of the BBC prop dept. or something else?
As for the Angels, I'm looking forward totheir next appearance. Mainly due to the fact that
Spoiler:
there will be a certain landmark in New York turns out to be a massive Weeping Angel (supposedly)
The statue of liberty...as an angel...
Did Doctor Who just jump the shark? How is that even possible?
Darkvoidof40k wrote: All possible new Doctor archetypes aside, seeing as we all know there's very little chance of them changing it, I think the best we can hope for is an alien companion.
Jar Jar Binks as companion?
I think there was an alien companion at one point though...can't remember.
There have been non-human companions before (most obviously Susan and Romana), but the only non-human-shaped companion would be K-9. I doubt we'll be seeing him in Who again any time soon. Since the dramatic purpose of the Doctor's companions is to the audience's PoV character, I wouldn't expect the trend of fairly normal, contemporary earth companions to change. At least the new one doesn't have too much of an estuary accent.
Edit: I forgot (for fairly obvious reasons if you've seen any of their stories) Adric, Nyssa and Turlough, all of whom were explicitly non-human (albeit human-shaped) aliens. (And all of whom were either dull, aggravating or, in the case of Adric, a potent combination of the two.)
The episode was great, the dinosaurs, the companions, the robots were all fantastic. I did think the ending was pretty weak though, leaving five minutes to wrap everything up was a lil strange.
Ok, Um this episode was all over the place. The Namesake(Dinosaurs make a very short appearence and have little bearing on anything)
The two new companions bring nothing, Nefertiti was supposed to bring some strong women type, but we have that in Amy. We are supposed to act sad when she turns herself over...she was a gag companion.
Rory's Dad was just rory plus 50 or so years.
The Hunter was, Ok i suppose
So many thins Shoehorned, Like the need for two people who share a gene to fly it.
And God the Beach, that was a majorly stupid addition. All it existed for them to get chased.
And The Doctor dealing with the villain was majorly out of character for him. The Docter has save others for higher offenses
My wife disagrees, but i think this might have been the worse Doctor Who episode of all time. To many reasons to list, you lot watched it and can figure out why i might think that. Funny how the sonic screwdriver was nowhere to be seen when he was being held by the two chucklebots.
I actually enjoyed it. Yeah, it wasn't the greatest, none of Smith's have been, and there were a few plain stupid and horribly clichéd moments.. but I was particularly proud about a baddy dying for once. Shows a somewhat darker side of the Doctor resurfacing, much to my satisfaction.
Also, am I the only one who immediately thought of the Gunmen of the Apocalypse way back when the first trailer for this series was released and we saw only a few seconds of the cyborg in next episode?
Deathshead420 wrote: My wife disagrees, but i think this might have been the worse Doctor Who episode of all time. To many reasons to list, you lot watched it and can figure out why i might think that. Funny how the sonic screwdriver was nowhere to be seen when he was being held by the two chucklebots.
Yup, completely agree.
Apart from 'a little bit of oil came out', that made me chuckle
hotsauceman1 wrote: Ok, Um this episode was all over the place. The Namesake(Dinosaurs make a very short appearence and have little bearing on anything)
Think this has to do with the idea of every episode being like a movie but in forty five minutes. Did anyone really expect them to be anything other then a gimmick?
Rory's Dad was just rory plus 50 or so years.
Same could be said of Jackie or any of the companions parents that have made an appearence, they're usually an older version of the companion with a bit of comedy.
So many thins Shoehorned, Like the need for two people who share a gene to fly it.
Didn't like this either, reminded me loads of something from a crappy RTD episode, most of the ending did actually.
Deathshead420 wrote:To many reasons to list, you lot watched it and can figure out why i might think that.
*Make overly dramatic statement and refuse to explain reasoning behind it. *
Funny how the sonic screwdriver was nowhere to be seen when he was being held by the two chucklebots.
It's a screwdriver, it's not meant to be used to destroy and disable robots. It's for allowing the Doctor to fix technological stuff, not as a weapon.
Darkvoid of 40k wrote: but I was particularly proud about a baddy dying for once. Shows a somewhat darker side of the Doctor resurfacing, much to my satisfaction.
Yeah, I always found it strange that all 11 regenerations have been white and british.
The target market is white and British. The liscence fee is mainly paid for by people who're white and British. Having said that, a black doctor could work. There was no one good enough who showed an interest, though I did hear Petterson Joseph (Alan Johnson from Peep Show) mentioned. That guy would make a great doctor.
Being British is not negotiable though. It's a British show, not a world show. And when I say "British", I mean English. They made David Tennant adopt an English accent ffs
The ending was out of place for the doctor. he should have just launched the other ship to get blown up, then drop whats his name on a new planet with all the dinosaurs to keep him company.
sirlynchmob wrote: The ending was out of place for the doctor. he should have just launched the other ship to get blown up, then drop whats his name on a new planet with all the dinosaurs to keep him company.
I was expecting him to throw him in some prison or whatever, although to be fair Solomon shot his friend's dad, forced him to help him when he would have done it anyway, murdered all of the Silurians, tried to steal his good friend Queen Neffy, and generally mess around with him. He used all his chances before he teleported onto his ship. Oh, he also killed the Doctor's pet dino.
Besides, seeing as we didn't actually see him die and there was a good few seconds of his ship flying off before it got hit by the missiles, I'll bet he comes back later down the line having escaped in some crafty way. Likely he teleported onto Earth or the moon perhaps.
Yeah, plus, I know regenerations re-writes the entire body and supposedly he could even be an animal(?) I'm not sure it can change gender.. and I'll bet the previous incarnation has some baring on the one that follows, genetics and all that still apply in some sense with them.
What I really want to know is why Time Lords look like humans. Was that ever answered?
Well, alright mr Pedantic, you're right there, but from our human point of view they look like us. In fact, technically, I was right anyway, humans and Timelords both look like each other.
am I the only one who immediately thought of the Gunmen of the Apocalypse
As soon as I saw it I thought of A Stranger In a Strange Land cover. I know its not the wild west, I guess the cyborg Eddie look a like in the trailer must be the reason. I swear there is some Iron Maiden art with Eddie in the wild west but I cant find it now, maybe it was a poster or something I had, or maybe my mind just remembered this picture wrong.
Yes there was. In an episode (I don't remember which one, but i believe it's with Martha) the companion say "You look Human" to Ten, to what he replies "You look TimeLord. We were there first."
CthuluIsSpy wrote: Dinosaurs on a ship? Looks like we need Samuel L Jackson.
On a semi-related note, I would actually like to see a black Doctor.
Yeah, I always found it strange that all 11 regenerations have been white and british.
I mean, he's an alien right? I thought his regen had no limit and was completely random.
By this point, we should have had an American doctor, an Asian doctor, a female doctor, an Indian doctor, a Black doctor...you get the point.
Hell, even an alien doctor would work. I mean on the outside...you know what I mean.
Asylum started off with the greatest wtf-moment in a long time. What do you mean, they're divorced? Are you kidding me?! There is NO WAY those two would seperate. Like in, ever. And then they talked about it, how he always loved her more than she did him and how she left him because she can't have children because of what the lady in the eyepatch did to her... I'm confused about the new companion though. So she really will be the new companion? Because I was quite confused when she was "killed" in the end. Though I'm not a big fan of the Doctor having a "girl genius" companion. It's not that I really need an audience surrogate character, but it shouldn't be someone who outsmarts the Doctor.
Weird way to write out the Daleks from the DW story. Although that was a pretty funny scene. "DOCTOR WHO?!" Also, Dalek Zombies.
Now, as much as I love David Tennant and pretty much the entire RTD run (I know a lot of you disagree with that), I think that Dinosaurs was exactly what Doctor Who should be, Completly whacky adventures where genres and settings merge to become this.... wibbly wobbly, well you get the idea.
It was strange to see Solomon killed, but I wouldn't be surprised if they're actually building up to something. There was line in the trailer about his darker side...
Yes there was. In an episode (I don't remember which one, but i believe it's with Martha) the companion say "You look Human" to Ten, to what he replies "You look TimeLord. We were there first."
I meant, was there ever an answer as to why they look like each other?
I'd theorise the Time Lords actually had something to do with the creation of the human race, hence the special interest. A 'toned down Timelord' perhaps.
Asylum started off with the greatest wtf-moment in a long time. What do you mean, they're divorced? Are you kidding me?! There is NO WAY those two would seperate. Like in, ever. And then they talked about it, how he always loved her more than she did him and how she left him because she can't have children because of what the lady in the eyepatch did to her... I'm confused about the new companion though. So she really will be the new companion? Because I was quite confused when she was "killed" in the end. Though I'm not a big fan of the Doctor having a "girl genius" companion. It's not that I really need an audience surrogate character, but it shouldn't be someone who outsmarts the Doctor.
Weird way to write out the Daleks from the DW story. Although that was a pretty funny scene. "DOCTOR WHO?!" Also, Dalek Zombies.
Now, as much as I love David Tennant and pretty much the entire RTD run (I know a lot of you disagree with that), I think that Dinosaurs was exactly what Doctor Who should be, Completly whacky adventures where genres and settings merge to become this.... wibbly wobbly, well you get the idea.
It was strange to see Solomon killed, but I wouldn't be surprised if they're actually building up to something. There was line in the trailer about his darker side...
The girl genius was a dalek, her mind rejected the process so she kept thinking she was human. That's how she was able to access the daleks networks.
She was still a genius though.
She was turned into a full Dalek rather than a puppet because she was so intelligent, but the fact that she retained her mind while she was a Dalek meant that she could control Dalek technology.
I liked the first episode, it had just the right level of darkness for me, while also adding a fair bit to the backstory.
I also liked the fact that they had Dalek marks other than just the standard bronze version in the asylum.
The second episode was also quite good, but not quite as good as the first. The fact that Solomon ended up pushing up space-daisies was also nice, it showed a slightly more unforgiving side to the doctor
I like the idea of a companion who is The Doctor's intellectual equal, I'm guessing that's what River was meant to be but it never came across as if she was...
Corpsesarefun wrote: I like the idea of a companion who is The Doctor's intellectual equal, I'm guessing that's what River was meant to be but it never came across as if she was...
Yeah, it always seemed like she was cheating (by having knowledge of the future, or reading her journal from the 'past') instead of being actually a genius...
Corpsesarefun wrote: Meh, River mostly came across as "I AM BADASS THUS EVERYTHING WORKS FOR ME" rather than the geeky jiggery pokery that The Doctor does...
True, but i didnt like that after the first million times (she bored me after a couple of regular appearances)
Corpsesarefun wrote: Meh, River mostly came across as "I AM BADASS THUS EVERYTHING WORKS FOR ME" rather than the geeky jiggery pokery that The Doctor does...
Yeah, she seemed to have the same goals, but different methods. Whereas the doctor would fiddle with a door and zap it with the sonic screwdriver to open it, she would probably just kick it down. He would then try and talk down the guy with the gun on the other side with some long speech about right and wrong, whereas she'd get them to lower their guard, kiss them, and have drugged lipstick or something.
River was an excellent character.. in the beginning. After the library though, things just went down hill until she became horribly anticlimactic. Also, I might just be snatching at thin air here but are the Doctor's Diary and his sketchbook when he wrote himself into the human timeline as a teacher one and the same?
Maybe, but apart from the episode in which she's introduce, can you think of any episodes where she was able to put her medical training to use?
And she did end up being fairly high up in UNIT, which won't really happen unless you're fairly intelligent.
I think the Doctor needs a single male companion, around 22 or so, bored with life and he and the doctor go on adventures and they become best of friends, then something horrible happens to him like all the companions.
And no girl following them around.
hotsauceman1 wrote: I think the Doctor needs a single male companion, around 22 or so, bored with life and he and the doctor go on adventures and they become best of friends, then something horrible happens to him like all the companions.
And no girl following them around.
That would be interesting, but I suppose they won't want to break their current 21st century sex appeal stamp on everything that the show's had since revival. In fact I remember there were quite a few one or two episode 'companions' the 10th and 11th had, but sadly they never featured beyond that.
hotsauceman1 wrote: I think the Doctor needs a single male companion, around 22 or so, bored with life and he and the doctor go on adventures and they become best of friends, then something horrible happens to him like all the companions.
And no girl following them around.
That would be interesting, but I suppose they won't want to break their current 21st century sex appeal stamp on everything that the show's had since revival. In fact I remember there were quite a few one or two episode 'companions' the 10th and 11th had, but sadly they never featured beyond that.
That and Steven Moffat only seems to write the same sexy, sassy, attractive, sitcom-girl characters in everything, particularly if you're actually familiar with his sitcom work. It's there quite strongly in the last episode with Queen Nefertiti and the dalek-girl from the last episode, that will be his future companion, is a very clear example. Amy, River and others exhibit similar traits... it's a bit predictable to be honest, the characterisation of the dalek-girl was not at all inspired.
Yeah, They are supposed to come off as strong women, but they come off and pushy and abusive. I felt as the thing between Rory and her about not having kids was way to forced. She Just came off as chewing the scenery.
We need a different companion.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also I still say that one guy who defeated the cyberman to save his baby deserves to bee a companion, with his baby. He will run around with his baby carrier on his front fighting daleks. And one episode will be the baby getting loose on the TARDIS and breaking it.
Imagine the wacky adventure, The Doctor and the baby.
Yeah, They are supposed to come off as strong women, but they come off and pushy and abusive
Really? I think they come quite annoying at times when they're confident in a really bad situation, like Amys "Geromino" before they entered the prison planet.
Moffats companions seem to be more similar to each other then RTDs were.
hotsauceman1 wrote: Yeah, They are supposed to come off as strong women, but they come off and pushy and abusive. I felt as the thing between Rory and her about not having kids was way to forced. She Just came off as chewing the scenery.
We need a different companion.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also I still say that one guy who defeated the cyberman to save his baby deserves to bee a companion, with his baby. He will run around with his baby carrier on his front fighting daleks. And one episode will be the baby getting loose on the TARDIS and breaking it.
Imagine the wacky adventure, The Doctor and the baby.
As much as I truly, deeply, hated that episode for its ending, that would be funny. "Daddy Doctor" would have to be the episode's name, for sure.
I was actually hoping that he got a dalek sidekick. Not just the hot girl in it. Imagine the doctor showing up everywhere with a dalek in tow, would be interesting to say the least. Plus they could keep the smoking hot companion thing but add a twist. How can he fall in love with a Dalek?
While I'm on the subject of hot companions, that girl almost got me in hot water with the misses, shes so good to look at i forgot me Julie was in the room for a minute and was like daaamn. She got all pissy that the doctors sidekicks keep getting hotter and hotter. Don't get me wrong, and I'm sure some people will disagree the ginger was hot but shes got nothing on the new one IMO.
I actually weirdly wish they had made James Corden his newest assistant, the episodes that Matt and James have been in together are excellent and it would add a great new dynamic to the show to break out of this pushy, head strong female assistant who eventually is hurt or broken routine.
The concept of him having a best friend rather than a partial love interest would make for an interesting plot point and the fact that his girlfriend/baby could tag along also in some episodes makes for an interesting break or two into something very different.
Don't get me wrong I enjoy sexy assistants as much as the next guy, but I do watch for the story/plot....... honestly
Rysaer wrote: I actually weirdly wish they had made James Corden his newest assistant, the episodes that Matt and James have been in together are excellent and it would add a great new dynamic to the show to break out of this pushy, head strong female assistant who eventually is hurt or broken routine.
The concept of him having a best friend rather than a partial love interest would make for an interesting plot point and the fact that his girlfriend/baby could tag along also in some episodes makes for an interesting break or two into something very different.
Don't get me wrong I enjoy sexy assistants as much as the next guy, but I do watch for the story/plot....... honestly
O GOD no! PLEASE!
I didnt like Corben as an 'assistant' in the episodes he was in (apart from being vaguely funny, i hated those episodes with only one exception, the line 'there is no second floor'...) i dont want him in any more...
yes, i agree there shouldnt always being a pretty assistant just to make the Doctor interested (loved Rose as a love interest, and the way she kept being referred to in the 'one that got away' type of thing, but hated how they kept bringing in more women to continue the idea. It also didnt work when Tennant left, introducing a (taken) female as a love interest is just wrong (not that im unhappy with Amy at all as a pretty girl on screen )
I quite liked him to be honest but I get that he isn't everyones cup of tea, it doesn't even have to be James Corden, I'd just like a male assistant for a change.
I agree though the whole Rose love interest was great as it was handled very well and felt genuine, but ever since then we've had the same assistant plot forced on us time and time again with little to no success. The Amy/Rory/Doctor love triangle sort of thing was just a bit strange and pretty wrong really.
What would be interesting would be an actual alien assistant, it opens thousands of new opportunities and stories, but I get that the Doctors love of humans is probably the reason we won't see this anytime soon.
Rysaer wrote: I quite liked him to be honest but I get that he isn't everyones cup of tea, it doesn't even have to be James Corden, I'd just like a male assistant for a change.
I wouldnt mind a different person (with a different character/backstory) but not Corben, it felt too much like a gimmick (exactly like Tate tbh).
Rysaer wrote: I agree though the whole Rose love interest was great as it was handled very well and felt genuine, but ever since then we've had the same assistant plot forced on us time and time again with little to no success. The Amy/Rory/Doctor love triangle sort of thing was just a bit strange and pretty wrong really.
Agreed on all counts. Especially with Rose's exit (the last thing the Doctor saying across the rift, but not quite being able to say it in time...choked me up im not ashamed to admit). Actually starting to get bored of the triangle, it was fun when he was first introduced (who the hell is this? Why is he so close to you? That sort of thing), but is getting more tired the longer they play on it...
Rysaer wrote: What would be interesting would be an actual alien assistant, it opens thousands of new opportunities and stories, but I get that the Doctors love of humans is probably the reason we won't see this anytime soon.
Definitely. As said earler on, there have been alien assistants before, the problem is that they all 'just happen' to look entirely human...some like Chan Tho (the assistant to the Master before he got his memories) would be cool (although the voice may get irritating), or the daughter of the dryad woman from series one (the new series), one of the cat-people, something like that...theyve done compassionate (Rose, Tate, Martha till she went UNIT), theyve done ruthless (River, Captain Jack to an extent), they need something different, logical maybe? (robot - the upoming Dalek, obviously ) but with something to balance that out (a psychic empath like Deanna Troy from ST: TNG? that way they could argue everything out, allowing the Doctor to make his own choices in the background, allowing the 'darker' side of the Doctor that weve been seeing recently to come forward maybe?
Revenent Reiko wrote: I wouldnt mind a different person (with a different character/backstory) but not Corben, it felt too much like a gimmick (exactly like Tate tbh).
Yeah I can relate to that, I think it's because this is the only thing I've ever actually watched with James in it I probably have more tolerance to him, I never watched Gavin and Stacy etc, but I agree that Catherine Tate did feel more like a gimmick.
Agreed on all counts. Especially with Rose's exit (the last thing the Doctor saying across the rift, but not quite being able to say it in time...choked me up im not ashamed to admit). Actually starting to get bored of the triangle, it was fun when he was first introduced (who the hell is this? Why is he so close to you? That sort of thing), but is getting more tired the longer they play on it.
I was genuinely choked up for a good bit, don't worry, it's man tears
Also it was amusing at first I agree, but it has reached that stage where it is getting very tired/stale.
Definitely. As said earler on, there have been alien assistants before, the problem is that they all 'just happen' to look entirely human...some like Chan Tho (the assistant to the Master before he got his memories) would be cool (although the voice may get irritating), or the daughter of the dryad woman from series one (the new series), one of the cat-people, something like that...theyve done sompassionate (Rose, Tate, Martha till she went UNIT), theyve done ruthless (River, Captain Jack to an extent), they need something different, logical maybe? (robot - the upoming Dalek, obviously ) but with something to balance that out (a psychic empath like Deanna Troy from ST: TNG? that way they could argue everything out, allowing the Doctor to make his own choices in the background, allowing the 'darker' side of the Doctor that weve been seeing recently to come forward maybe?
Just my thoughts..
Yeah that would be awesome, and I agree with everything you've said here.
What I would actually find quite interesting is to play on the Doctors loneliness, they should bring someone like the Dream Lord back as he continues to travel alone, to nibble at the back of his mind and generally mislead/trick/counteract the Doctor. It would make for some interesting story arcs as well as giving us more a glimpse of the Doctors real psyche.
Going in I thought Tate would be very much a gimmick, and that it would bring down the quality of the show, (to clarify, I hate the catherine tate show, and pretty much everything else I've seen her do) but I think ultimately, at the end of the day, she actually did quite well - she conveyed a very human perspective to it, and while bossy / full of it, she played the part well, certainly enough to counter my intial reaction and to make me feel that the Donna episodes were some of the better ones (certainly better than the martha season).
Revenent Reiko wrote: I wouldnt mind a different person (with a different character/backstory) but not Corben, it felt too much like a gimmick (exactly like Tate tbh).
Yeah I can relate to that, I think it's because this is the only thing I've ever actually watched with James in it I probably have more tolerance to him, I never watched Gavin and Stacy etc, but I agree that Catherine Tate did feel more like a gimmick.
I never watched any of that either, but i was aware of it. I just dont like dumping a recognised comedian into a show like DW really adds anything to it other than gimmick value. Tate was alright because she added a strong female at the same time, was still quite annoying after a while.
Agreed on all counts. Especially with Rose's exit (the last thing the Doctor saying across the rift, but not quite being able to say it in time...choked me up im not ashamed to admit). Actually starting to get bored of the triangle, it was fun when he was first introduced (who the hell is this? Why is he so close to you? That sort of thing), but is getting more tired the longer they play on it.
I was genuinely choked up for a good bit, don't worry, it's man tears
Also it was amusing at first I agree, but it has reached that stage where it is getting very tired/stale.
Assuming im a man...? Only kidding, i am Agree though, there are times when its acceptable (and there is the whole 'if it makes you feel that way, it was done well, because it was meant to).
Definitely. As said earler on, there have been alien assistants before, the problem is that they all 'just happen' to look entirely human...some like Chan Tho (the assistant to the Master before he got his memories) would be cool (although the voice may get irritating), or the daughter of the dryad woman from series one (the new series), one of the cat-people, something like that...theyve done sompassionate (Rose, Tate, Martha till she went UNIT), theyve done ruthless (River, Captain Jack to an extent), they need something different, logical maybe? (robot - the upoming Dalek, obviously ) but with something to balance that out (a psychic empath like Deanna Troy from ST: TNG? that way they could argue everything out, allowing the Doctor to make his own choices in the background, allowing the 'darker' side of the Doctor that weve been seeing recently to come forward maybe?
Just my thoughts..
Yeah that would be awesome, and I agree with everything you've said here.
What I would actually find quite interesting is to play on the Doctors loneliness, they should bring someone like the Dream Lord back as he continues to travel alone, to nibble at the back of his mind and generally mislead/trick/counteract the Doctor. It would make for some interesting story arcs as well as giving us more a glimpse of the Doctors real psyche.
Thank you.
I mostly agree, but they played around with that after Rose left. I got a bit tired of the thousand yard stare Tennant was forced to adopt episode after episode, kind of ruined the poignancy of the season ending from before actually. I think there has been enough of the loneliness of the Doctor 'on his own', i think a much better idea would be for him to have a larger group of companions like previous Doctors, but while they are celebrating a victory (over a generic, but dangerous enemy, doesnt really matter who as such....), he is left out, not feeling the same sense of achievement because its nothing new anymore. Focus more on him getting jaded, sick of the endless cycle of saving everyone/everything with noone to really help, losing his will to go on...he could even give up on it for a while, and Watch the Galaxy Burn (see what i did there? ).
I like the idea of the Dream Lord though, they never brought that back like i thought they would, wouldnt be a bad time to do it actually, but as a villain over a number of stories, affecting everything, manipulating everything like other enemies have before, but from within the Doctor's mind as opposed to being a tangible enemy like previous villains.
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Ovion wrote: Going in I thought Tate would be very much a gimmick, and that it would bring down the quality of the show, (to clarify, I hate the catherine tate show, and pretty much everything else I've seen her do) but I think ultimately, at the end of the day, she actually did quite well - she conveyed a very human perspective to it, and while bossy / full of it, she played the part well, certainly enough to counter my intial reaction and to make me feel that the Donna episodes were some of the better ones (certainly better than the martha season).
Agreed, mostly...
Completely agree with going in pre-disposed to not liking her, and finding out she actually did quite well. My problem with her was that the character only seemed to have depth to it when it was written in (not sure that makes much sense), but she did prtray the character she was given very well.
Meh, give me a companion who wacks people.
Companion Bob: Oh no we're surrounded by X!
Doctor: I'll just get out my sonic scredriv
(wack wack wack) Companion Bob: ok we're good. Lets go.
Doctor: er...wow.
Or a companion that challenges his cutesy stick his nose in ethics.
I like a Dalek companion myself. Doctor can control to an extent but sometimes its just got to let a little EXTERMINATE! hang out.
Frazzled wrote: Meh, give me a companion who wacks people.
Companion Bob: Oh no we're surrounded by X!
Doctor: I'll just get out my sonic scredriv
(wack wack wack) Companion Bob: ok we're good. Lets go.
Doctor: er...wow.
Her name was Ace, she was the last companion of the original series, and she beat a Dalek with a ball bat and had a penchant for explosives.
Frazzled wrote: Meh, give me a companion who wacks people.
Companion Bob: Oh no we're surrounded by X!
Doctor: I'll just get out my sonic scredriv
(wack wack wack) Companion Bob: ok we're good. Lets go.
Doctor: er...wow.
Her name was Ace, she was the last companion of the original series, and she beat a Dalek with a ball bat and had a penchant for explosives.
Frazzled wrote: Meh, give me a companion who wacks people.
Companion Bob: Oh no we're surrounded by X!
Doctor: I'll just get out my sonic scredriv
(wack wack wack) Companion Bob: ok we're good. Lets go.
Doctor: er...wow.
Her name was Ace, she was the last companion of the original series, and she beat a Dalek with a ball bat and had a penchant for explosives.
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I preferred leela, she was hot, And had a habit of killing things.
I always thought a cool character to reintroduce is the Doctor's daughter, from the episode where his genes are used to clone her from a single parent. She would make a cool companion, or maybe have the two of them meet once in a while. Plus, the actress was really cute!
I have to admit I was kinda disappointed when River Song didn't turn out to be her in the end. That would have been just as interesting a twist.
Just wondered what she's been off doing while the Doctor gets all the screen-time.
Frazzled wrote: Meh, give me a companion who wacks people.
Companion Bob: Oh no we're surrounded by X!
Doctor: I'll just get out my sonic scredriv
(wack wack wack) Companion Bob: ok we're good. Lets go.
Doctor: er...wow.
Or a companion that challenges his cutesy stick his nose in ethics.
I like a Dalek companion myself. Doctor can control to an extent but sometimes its just got to let a little EXTERMINATE! hang out.
Isn't that what River did?
"oh you're zapping something with your sonic screwdriver? allow me to shoot everyone"
Frazzled wrote: Meh, give me a companion who wacks people.
Companion Bob: Oh no we're surrounded by X!
Doctor: I'll just get out my sonic scredriv
(wack wack wack) Companion Bob: ok we're good. Lets go.
Doctor: er...wow.
Her name was Ace, she was the last companion of the original series, and she beat a Dalek with a ball bat and had a penchant for explosives.
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I preferred leela, she was hot, And had a habit of killing things.
Leela was indeed a wonderful companion. There's a rather charming moment in "The Talons of Weng-Chiang" in which the Doctor finds himself obliged to deflect the police from investigating the deaths she caused rather than the murders carried out by the story's villain.
Frazzled wrote: Meh, give me a companion who wacks people.
Companion Bob: Oh no we're surrounded by X!
Doctor: I'll just get out my sonic scredriv
(wack wack wack) Companion Bob: ok we're good. Lets go.
Doctor: er...wow.
Her name was Ace, she was the last companion of the original series, and she beat a Dalek with a ball bat and had a penchant for explosives.
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I preferred leela, she was hot, And had a habit of killing things.
Leela was indeed a wonderful companion. There's a rather charming moment in "The Talons of Weng-Chiang" in which the Doctor finds himself obliged to deflect the police from investigating the deaths she caused rather than the murders carried out by the story's villain.
Yes I remember Leela. We need some hostile companions back.
I still like a slightly controlled Dalek who occasionally gets off the lease when stressed.
Frazzled wrote: Meh, give me a companion who wacks people.
Companion Bob: Oh no we're surrounded by X!
Doctor: I'll just get out my sonic scredriv
(wack wack wack) Companion Bob: ok we're good. Lets go.
Doctor: er...wow.
Or a companion that challenges his cutesy stick his nose in ethics.
I like a Dalek companion myself. Doctor can control to an extent but sometimes its just got to let a little EXTERMINATE! hang out.
Isn't that what River did?
"oh you're zapping something with your sonic screwdriver? allow me to shoot everyone"
That's a bit more Captain Jack' style (or the Brigadier's, who memorably unleashes genocide on one story's antagonists after the Doctor has made peace with them) than River's. I had high hopes for River as a Romana-esque companion; the last season dashed them most cruelly.
Deathshead420 wrote: I was actually hoping that he got a dalek sidekick. Not just the hot girl in it. Imagine the doctor showing up everywhere with a dalek in tow, would be interesting to say the least. Plus they could keep the smoking hot companion thing but add a twist. How can he fall in love with a Dalek?
While I'm on the subject of hot companions, that girl almost got me in hot water with the misses, shes so good to look at i forgot me Julie was in the room for a minute and was like daaamn. She got all pissy that the doctors sidekicks keep getting hotter and hotter. Don't get me wrong, and I'm sure some people will disagree the ginger was hot but shes got nothing on the new one IMO.
I'd disagree entirely with that; having Leela as a companion allowed the writers the opportunity to restate the Doctor's pacifist ethics every time he upbraided her for killing people or refused to take the easy, violent recourse that her propensity for knifing and poisoning antagonists provided.
Who cares what the nerd with the flashing screw driver gets up to, so long as he can deliver her to a selection of futures and pasts where clothes are optional, possibly even frowned upon.
hotsauceman1 wrote: We need a Companion that is slightly insane and kinda hates the Doctor, But still loves him.
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Also I still Think Donna's Grandad was the best companion.
NOOOO, not another turlow.
speaking of kills though. did they ever let Jamie McCrimmon (2nd doctor) kill anyone? I'd go look, but all those episodes are on vhs tapes and I no longer have a player for them.
Who cares what the nerd with the flashing screw driver gets up to, so long as he can deliver her to a selection of futures and pasts where clothes are optional, possibly even frowned upon.
How old is the Doctor now then? I remember in the silly space man episodes he was actually over 1000 years old at one point. But that might have been one of the trillion timelines that they simply erased due to the fact that they cocked everything up on such a universal scale that the only way to solve a problem every other episode is to destroy a timeline or blow up the universe and what have ye.
Yeah, in the Impossible Astronaut etc he gets aged 200 years while avoiding dealing with the possibility of his dying.
Looked it up...
Tardis Wiki wrote:ELEVENTH DOCTOR
Not long after Amy Pond first encountered the Doctor, he told her that he was 907 (DW: Flesh and Stone), which he then restated when meeting the Dream Lord. (DW: Amy's Choice) When his future self invited him to Utah, the younger Doctor gave his age as 909. (DW: The Impossible Astronaut) The Doctor later commented that he was around George's age of eight "about a thousand years ago". (DW: Night Terrors) When he met Amy, Rory, River and Canton at Lake Silencio, his older self told Amy that he was 1103. (DW: The Impossible Astronaut) Indeed, the Doctor at this point in his life had just finished his farewell tour which lasted nearly two hundred years. (DW: The Wedding of River Song)
Knew i got 900 from somewhere....
The problem now is that he didnt die, therefore he could again be any age....darn.
Yeah, in the Impossible Astronaut etc he gets aged 200 years while avoiding dealing with the possibility of his dying.
Looked it up...
Tardis Wiki wrote:ELEVENTH DOCTOR
Not long after Amy Pond first encountered the Doctor, he told her that he was 907 (DW: Flesh and Stone), which he then restated when meeting the Dream Lord. (DW: Amy's Choice) When his future self invited him to Utah, the younger Doctor gave his age as 909. (DW: The Impossible Astronaut) The Doctor later commented that he was around George's age of eight "about a thousand years ago". (DW: Night Terrors) When he met Amy, Rory, River and Canton at Lake Silencio, his older self told Amy that he was 1103. (DW: The Impossible Astronaut) Indeed, the Doctor at this point in his life had just finished his farewell tour which lasted nearly two hundred years. (DW: The Wedding of River Song)
Knew i got 900 from somewhere....
The problem now is that he didnt die, therefore he could again be any age....darn.
Thing is he hasn't really aged at all. That's sort of the time lord's schtick I suppose, but the fact he wasn't even slightly different is annoying.
By rights although it could just be for humour it does mention that when he regenerates he could come back as almost anything, old, young, skinny, fat, you name it, there stands the chance that he could even come back with extra limbs or even heads have been joked about.
Lord of battles wrote: I say they either need to make Jack Harkness the new companion, or make more torchwood episodes!
If anyone from procurement at the BBC is reading this please disregard this post, he knows not of what he asks.
Captain Jazzhands isn't what Dr Who needs, that as I have established is Caprica Six.
Torchwood is something that no one needs. And don't get me starts on that Welsh bint....damn she's annoying......in any other series her husband would have been killed but he keeps popping up and surviving.....see what you've done now? I've started now ranting about that hopefully dead series!
Eh, Torchwood wasnt Bad per say, but it was poorly handled.
We want to make a Doctor Who but make it more grown up and adult.
How are we going to do that?
Simple, make half the characters gay and have sexual overtones in every episode.
Can't we just make it darker and more serious and less silly?
Nope. Gay Sex.
AduroT wrote: Eh, Torchwood wasnt Bad per say, but it was poorly handled.
We want to make a Doctor Who but make it more grown up and adult.
How are we going to do that?
Simple, make half the characters gay and have sexual overtones in every episode.
Can't we just make it darker and more serious and less silly?
Nope. Gay Sex.
Actually what they did was market it for an American audience, and thats what killed it IMO....i honestly didnt care either way that there happened to be gay intercouse in the newest series (my Dad wasnt exactly happy with it which was quite funny to watch), its not like it was a secret that Jack was gay even in DW, so...yeah, i didnt care either way. What i did find fault with was the terrible story, the awful structure of the episodes, the addition of a typical gung-ho black FBI agent to 'make it more American' (not that i have anything wrong with their being a black team member, im just pointing it out), and the worlds worst series ending that i have ever seen...
To be fair, Captain Jack was from a point in the future where attitude towards sexual partners was 'It doesn't necessarily need to have a pulse, or be moving' due to so many human varients, aliens, etc, and sees 'beauty' differently because of it.
I mean, Cpn John thought a poodle was sexy.
Same sort of thing as if someone from 1000 years ago saw the sexual preferences and attitudes of people today - it'd be almost the same difference looking outside in.
Nah it's not the gay thing, it's just I always think Captain Jazzhands will spring into a west end show tune at any moment. It sort of ruins any suspense or action that has built up.
[Welsh bint] - Wats that Jack?
[Captain Jazzhands] - hmmmm could be from Solaria or errrr maybe? Yes it is, it's from.......OOOOk-lahoma, where the wind comes sweepin' down the plain........[turn, tap, heel kick, smile.....Jazzhands]
You mark my words it will happen if there is another series.
Good ol Captain Batty Jack. I really didn't mind him too much in DW, but Torchwood for get it. That show can remain dead. The American TW had one good thing going for it ...only one, John De Lancie aka mutherfethin Q.
Cool I didn't know there was a Doctor Who thread here! Fantastic. Been a fan for almost 30 years. Love all the new ones. In fact it's kinda hard to watch the old stuff now. I got some Tom Baker with Sarah Jane a few months ago and couldn't finish it! I used to love it! As of now my favorite companion has got to be Donna Noble. I liked her because she was so different from everyone! No even a close love interest for the Doctor and that was good. I'd love her to show up to be with Matt Smith.
Honestly? Its like they read my ideas post and stole the best idea...and then did a crappy version of it.... (by this i mean the Doctor becoming jaded with the whole idea, getting sick of constantly doing the same thing - although they took a different tack with it being due to his compassion, which i liked)
it was very rushed IMO (i know they are all short episodes, so there isnt too much they could have done, but still..), not a bad concept, and i like the idea of a cyborg protector throughout history, (but even that has been done with Rory as the Legionaire) .
Overall, not bad, not great, fairly obvious set up for the 19 year old kid to be a companion later on...
Good episode. There wasn't too much going on. Dinosaurs in Space slung stuff at me too quickly and wasted its opportunities. The Wild West episode had a much better rate of exposition.
I didn't like all the stuff with the Doctor threatening people with guns, even if he was a bad guy. Hell, the Doctor couldn't even kill Davros with his own hands when given the opportunity in either the old or new series. And of course, I don't think the Doctor should use guns, he should be cleverer than that.
Even the american TV movie got that one right, when the Doctor steals a gun off a policeman he threatens to shoot himself to force cooperation rather than waving the thing around at other people, like your more usual hero.
Probally my favourite episode of the series so far. Rewatching Asylum I liked it much less then I did originally, the begining was still fantastic though! Dinsours on a spaceship had a really rushed ending but this episode seemed pretty well though out. The ending was good, it made sense, it didn't feel like they were trying to wrap everything up in five minutes.
.. Once again there was a flickering or damaged lightbulb... that's happened in every episode so far this season, and in the Pond LIfe mini too....
Is it me or the new episodes much more humorous and light hearted. I like it. It reminds of the episodes with the crazy 4th Doctor, who never took anything seriously.
One supposes this is partially to further go against the more oppressive tone in the arc episodes in the last few seasons, and possibly to make what happens to...... certain people... even more heart breaking when it does happen.
One supposes this is partially to further go against the more oppressive tone in the arc episodes in the last few seasons, and possibly to make what happens to...... certain people... even more heart breaking when it does happen.
Nah , etxermintate the companions. I'd rather have Nefertiri and the hunter dude back. Of course to Genghis Connie this is heresy...
It surprised me by not being all that bad, though the "alien war criminal hiding on Earth" plot device has been old since at least The Talons of Weng-Chiang.
My real critisism, however, would be that the story made very plain the limitations of the 45-minute format, which obliged the writer to just tell rather than show us that Kahler Jex felt sorrow for his actions. Moreover, without time to develop them properly, the Doctor's debates with him compared rather poorly with (for instance) those between Tom Baker's Doctor and Davros in Genesis of the Daleks.
I liked it overall quite well. I particularly liked that it was obviously made in the US with American actors. There are some brits that can do a US accent well but this was fun. I loved Ben Browder in there. No wonder why I saw a video of him a while ago he had this huge cowboy mustache! I thought at the time be must be doing a cowboy thing.
CDK wrote: I liked it overall quite well. I particularly liked that it was obviously made in the US with American actors. There are some brits that can do a US accent well but this was fun. I loved Ben Browder in there. No wonder why I saw a video of him a while ago he had this huge cowboy mustache! I thought at the time be must be doing a cowboy thing.
the Wife and GC did not understand why I went goombah when I recognized him.
CDK wrote: I liked it overall quite well. I particularly liked that it was obviously made in the US with American actors. There are some brits that can do a US accent well but this was fun. I loved Ben Browder in there. No wonder why I saw a video of him a while ago he had this huge cowboy mustache! I thought at the time be must be doing a cowboy thing.
the Wife and GC did not understand why I went goombah when I recognized him.
My wife almost knew it before I did! It was great and make me want to watch Farscape and SG1 again.
It's not like they have hugely prominent guest stars I think. But then again I don't know BBC too well so they are not big to me. They've had a few that went on to do big stuff like the girl in the Weeping Angels.
[Captain Jazzhands] - hmmmm could be from Solaria or errrr maybe? Yes it is, it's from.......OOOOk-lahoma, where the wind comes sweepin' down the plain........[turn, tap, heel kick, smile.....Jazzhands]
You mark my words it will happen if there is another series.
That... is actually exactly what I'd like to see in Torchwood. I only watched the show because it's a DW spin-off, but TW Jack is almost a completly different character compared to DC Jack. If we're lucky we get like 1 or 2 funny lines from him per episode and the rest focuses on how terrible his immortality is. Granted, they did some terrifying things with that concept like in Children of Earth but that makes it even weirder when you think about how the character acted in Doctor Who.
Mercy was cool, but I don't think there was a big chance that I wouldn't like the episode. It'll be interesting to see where they're taking the Doctor for the rest of the season. It was weird to see him do what he did in Dinosaurs, but if this is really what they're going for in this season, I can't wait to see how it turns out.
Dr. What wrote:I'm not sure that I liked A Town Called Mercy. Any episode where the Doctor points a gun dies with me at the point.
But don't forget:
Spoiler:
Next, the Year of the Slow Invasion. The time the Doctor tried to be a Pond.
And then the Angels take Manhattan and the Ponds bid farewell!
The Doctor is hardly a pacifist, and while he claims a dislike of guns, he's often used them (though prefers explosives).
He has killed so many, he is truly the destroyer of worlds, and those he doesn't kill directly, he encourages his companions to do it. I mean, just off the top of my head from the new series (let alone the old), he's: Attempted Genocide on the Silence. Gone to War with the forces at Demons Run - killing hundreds, if not thousands of men. Killed a LOT of Weeping Angels. Destroyed a crapload of Cybermen in the Cyber King (by blowing them up). Dropped the Sycorax lord off the side of the ship. Was going to genocide the Daleks and wipe out half of / the entire earth with that radioactive pulse. Blew up an entire Cyberman Fleet just to make a point. Created a device to turn Sontaran Atmosphere Nuclear, then took it to their ship. And blew them all up. Genocided the Rachnos. Genocided the Daleks at the Medusa Cascade. Killed the Daleks in manhattan.
OH, AND - Genociding the Time Lords. Twice. and there's more.
AS WELL AS THAT: He's really quite harsh at times, the two biggest that spring to mind are: Trapping the Family of Blood in terrible, unending tortures. Doing that whole thing with the Fish in the Fog, then just leaving the woman to die after taking her remaining days, though originally they were hopingto keep her there till a cure could be found / afforded. (even though he'd probably have had a cure just laying around the Tardis or only needed 5 minutes to get one.)
Ovion wrote: The Doctor is hardly a pacifist, and while he claims a dislike of guns, he's often used them (though prefers explosives).
The Doctor has indeed been a good deal more unapologetically killy in the new series, though in fairness in many (though conspicuously not all) of your examples he'd been placed in a "kill or be killed" situation, or was acting in the defence of others. I really didn't approve of the notion of the Doctor blowing up the Cybermen just to make a point.
The Resurrection of the Daleks example is a good one, but it's deliberately atypical, and comes from a time in which the series' writers were mucking about with things for shock value (much as I'm inclined to think they were in A Town Called Mercy). Tom Baker's excellent "Do I have the right?" speech in Genesis of the Daleks (which, regrettably, I can't find on YouTube) sums up rather better the core of the character's ethics.
I agree quite often he's not given a huge amount of choice, but on the other hand - a lot of the time he's harsher than he has to be, and other times, harsh pretty much for the sake of being harsh.
And of course - my favourite part, where the Doctor casually snaps the neck of that guy then runs off at the end of the video.
I think that's what was so good about 9 and 10. There was the transition between readily using weapons to kill as a means to an end then only using weapons as a very last resort. Finally the 11th I think was meant to be the 100% pacifist, at least perhaps originally, but now he's just become both extremes at one time or another rather than finding balance.
To be honest this leads onto one of my main gripes with the 11th. He's very good at the wacky, silly side of the character, but when it comes to serious situations he just can't pull off the dark side of the Doctor very well. Whilst that's mostly the writers' faults of course, I also think Matt just doesn't have the face for it. He's just one of those guys who can't seem angry any way you look at them. His foreboding/angry expression just looks like he's despondent to me.
Ovion wrote: The Doctor is hardly a pacifist, and while he claims a dislike of guns, he's often used them (though prefers explosives).
The Doctor has indeed been a good deal more unapologetically killy in the new series, though in fairness in many (though conspicuously not all) of your examples he'd been placed in a "kill or be killed" situation, or was acting in the defence of others. I really didn't approve of the notion of the Doctor blowing up the Cybermen just to make a point.
The Resurrection of the Daleks example is a good one, but it's deliberately atypical, and comes from a time in which the series' writers were mucking about with things for shock value (much as I'm inclined to think they were in A Town Called Mercy). Tom Baker's excellent "Do I have the right?" speech in Genesis of the Daleks (which, regrettably, I can't find on YouTube) sums up rather better the core of the character's ethics.
Now, if you want to see The Angels Take Manhattan early, there’s going to be a preview screening at the Cineworld in Cardiff’s Mary Ann Street next Wednesday, 6.30pm. To get entered to the draw for a pair of tickets, you need to send your name and e-mail address to:
by midnight tonight. Winners will be notified on Monday. Tickets are non-transferable, and under 16s will need to be accompanied by an adult with their own ticket. Good luck.
That just seems unnecessary. We're all seeing it tomorrow anyway, except perhaps holidaying Aussies or whoever it is required to wait a considerable amount of time before it's aired on TV.
Darkvoidof40k wrote: That just seems unnecessary. We're all seeing it tomorrow anyway, except perhaps holidaying Aussies or whoever it is required to wait a considerable amount of time before it's aired on TV.
I dont know, if i had seen this yesterday (before midnight) i would have let me sister know and i can almost guarantee she would have applied (and loved it if she got in!)
Preview/interview for episode on in an hour. Really looking forward to this one, interested to see if they put any bigger hints in on the series plot other then lightbulbs breaking.
Darkvoidof40k wrote: That just seems unnecessary. We're all seeing it tomorrow anyway, except perhaps holidaying Aussies or whoever it is required to wait a considerable amount of time before it's aired on TV.
The preview was/is with regards to the next episode, not the cube one we saw on the 22nd.
.. which.. well.... a few funny lines in it and once again we're treated to some serious british actors/actresses doing thier bit. Not bad as such, nor great either, alas. Just kind of....... alright.....
.. so a bit of a disappointment but nothing too distressing.
I quite liked "The Power of Three". It was an interesting way to introduce the theme of this season; that of Rory and Amy settling down and having their own life.
Kilkrazy wrote: I wasn't greatly impressed by tonight's "Slow Invasion". It was filler rather than pillar or killer, as our marketing department rates things.
I liked it. I like Rory's Dad. Is it me or is the Chick's accent getting stronger?
Kanluwen wrote: I quite liked "The Power of Three". It was an interesting way to introduce the theme of this season; that of Rory and Amy settling down and having their own life.
I thought that led more towards them being killed off instead of settling down tbh. They made the concious choice to have their 'Doctor life', and with the (not so cryptic) lines towards 'keeping them safe' and whatnot, i see some deaths occuring in the near future...the problem is, its starting to get a bit x-men-like, as in 'it doesnt matter if they die, they will just come back a few episodes later/ later in the same episode'....like Jean Grey (who, IIRC, one of the other characters actually makes a reference to her inability to die in one of the comics ).
But yeah, alright episode, bit disappointing, and with no explanation of the Chandra (sp?) at all which sucked. Why are there 7 of them? How are they the rat catchers of the universe? Why are they trying to stop humanity exactly? What was that giant energy field around the Earth? so many missing details it was scary....
Kilkrazy wrote: I wasn't greatly impressed by tonight's "Slow Invasion". It was filler rather than pillar or killer, as our marketing department rates things.
I liked it. I like Rory's Dad. Is it me or is the Chick's accent getting stronger?
Rory's dad is cool, it would be awesome if he was a companion full-time.
Also, I would love to see a River episode with Tennant doing a cameo, as in it's cleverly orchestrated by the 11th so that he never meets himself from his own personal past. It would actually beat some life back into the horse.
Oh, with regards to the last episode. On the ship, they just left all those kidnapped people there to die - PLUS it was never even explained why they were there in the first place.
Another Doctor Who set in America? fething seriously? How many Doctor Whos have been set in Nottingham, Manchester, Birmingham, Sheffield, York, Southamton...
If they want to make an American Doctor Who, they should at least go ahead and do it. Stop Yankeefying out national treasure!
Just to clarify, I'm not complaining about the "modern" bias. It's obvious that more stories would be set in modern England than say, ancient Mesopotamia.
Well, He is kinda A time Traveling alien, Why would he go to only one country on earth?
And didnt we just get one set in london?
What we should be upset about is the fact that its new york.
I hate that city, its in everything.
It's concentrated in Britain because it's a British show aimed at a British public, who pay the licence fee to get it made in the first place.
I'm not saying ALL shows should be set in Britain, but it seems like the ones that aren't are disproportionally set in the USA, and it's no secret that this is a deliberate attempt to pander to the American market.
I liked how it seemed like a dues ex machina ending, then people died.
Thought the angels were much better then in series 5, but not just as good as they were in there original apearence and the babys weren't as bad as I assumed they would be.
hotsauceman1 wrote: Well, He is kinda A time Traveling alien, Why would he go to only one country on earth?
And didnt we just get one set in london?
What we should be upset about is the fact that its new york.
I hate that city, its in everything.
Agreed. I think it would be better if he went so loads of different countries at particularly interesting times with more serious themes, allowing the Doctor to provide the satire and the companions to bring along the red n' white.
Lots of unanswered questions and untied loose ends.
Like what? The whole River Song/Rory/Amy thing never made much sense to me anyway.
Also as Freudian as this sounds, I really don't want River Song (stupid name anyway) with the doctor in EVERY episode. A companion in a couple of episodes is fine but she's just too boring to carry it all the time.
What the hell was some rich American collecting statues for?
What happened to the surviving statue?
Why not land in New Jersey in 1938 and take a cab over the river?
I found it quite lightweight and unsatisfactory. I'm not bound up in Rory, Amy and the Doctor's emotional toils, partly because there have been so many of them it is more than overdone already.
The Angels seemed to simply be in the background, while something happened that had be confused and laughing.
The episode Blink, which introduced the Angels was brilliant, now, the Angels are laughable villains, and the state of liberty Angels was ridiculous.
Spoiler:
Taking out the stupid angels and plot devices, the character interaction at least was pretty good. I enjoyed it, though I was sad the detective at the beginning didn't feature. I thought he would and he did in all the ways I envisaged, but far less than expected. As in, I thought as an old man he'd hold the key to escape or something and thus help the doctor with his dying words, as cliché as that is.
But I am sad, the angels are even better villains than the Daleks because they were so unique, now, as you quite rightly said, are ridiculous and laughable. There's a reason Blink was something like the top 3rd episode ever.
Atleast there was no moving angels, no laughter and the chained up angel was pretty good.
The massive one was meant to be a statue of liberty? I thought the population believed it was like a giant plastic thing, like ontop of donut shops in the Simpsons.
The idea of a giant angel was silly enough but I could let that go because there was a decent ending for once.
blood reaper wrote: Isn't the Statue made of copper, not stone, so it can't be a weeping angel, as they are stone.
Or are we saying that every statue ever is a weeping angel?
I didn't even click on that one, should have remembered that. Easy mistake I suppose.
But yeah, the idea that the freaking statue of liberty could come alive, repeatedly, and not be noticed by the whole of New York, is fething special needs.
Testify wrote: Another Doctor Who set in America? fething seriously? How many Doctor Whos have been set in Nottingham, Manchester, Birmingham, Sheffield, York, Southamton...
If they want to make an American Doctor Who, they should at least go ahead and do it. Stop Yankeefying out national treasure!
Just to clarify, I'm not complaining about the "modern" bias. It's obvious that more stories would be set in modern England than say, ancient Mesopotamia.
As an American, I feel that American Doctor Who would be horrible. Look at American Being Human....
I also believe that if it's justifiable to visit Cardiff so many times, then a few trips to NYC are quite reasonable.
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blood reaper wrote: Isn't the Statue made of copper, not stone, so it can't be a weeping angel, as they are stone.
Or are we saying that every statue ever is a weeping angel?
Anything that bears the image of an angel becomes an angel.
Ok, Um Alot of Gripes and one big TY to the producers
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1: As people have said, The Statue, I'm not going to go into it. But there was quite a bit of time no one had their eyes on it
2: The baby Angels, How are they made?
3: Its said that they used it as a farm, Ok makes sense, But how did they get fed? It said they can't leave, and i think the angels would raise a few eybrows at the grocery store
4: JOY TO THE WORLD, AMY AND RORY ARE GONE!!!!!!!!
5EATH TO THE WORLD, River is in.
6: Rory dies more often then Daniel Jackson.
Guys the reasons there's Doctor Who in the US is because there are a lot of fans here as well as the UK and the cost of producing an episode cost about the same. Hell, I'd love to see the Doctor in Canada, Singapore, Sydney, Japan but it can't be done cheaply.
Also, Simplist way to defeat an angel.
Mirrors, Tape one to the back of your head, and a few to your front, and any angel that attacks you sees its own reflection.
hotsauceman1 wrote: Also, Simplist way to defeat an angel.
Mirrors, Tape one to the back of your head, and a few to your front, and any angel that attacks you sees its own reflection.
hotsauceman1 wrote: Also, Simplist way to defeat an angel.
Mirrors, Tape one to the back of your head, and a few to your front, and any angel that attacks you sees its own reflection.
That would only work if there was a light source, and angels aren't too dangerous in the daylight anyway.
hotsauceman1 wrote: Also, Simplist way to defeat an angel.
Mirrors, Tape one to the back of your head, and a few to your front, and any angel that attacks you sees its own reflection.
That would only work if there was a light source, and angels aren't too dangerous in the daylight anyway.
Well, one in the daylight did zap Rory and Amy away.
Angels are awsome!
Did people like the book stuff and Rory seeing himself die? Thought it was quite well done apart from old Rory very convientally dieing when they happened to be there
I liked the episode, Weeping Angels are by far my favorite villain in Doctor Who, I agree they're not as scary as they used to be in "Blink", but when you have an entire planet of them, you kinda throw your hand a little early.
I felt it was actually a sad way to go for Amy and Rory, killing them off without actually killing them... (Just don't let me know that all of the recent companions have been killed off without being killed off)
Also, River is getting near the end of her life in the series as well isn't she? This is the first time since meeting the 10th in the "Silence in the Library" that she is mentioned to be a professor. So, we might not be seeing much of her in the future. Though granted, with the whole, "she's a time traveler" we could be stuck with her for a while.
Yeah, remember, they have to ask each other what order they're meeting in.
And here's one for you: Sure, 1938 is off limits, but how about 1939? Sure, they were sent back in time, but there's a lot of time back there where they were, not just that year. The Doctor does not think things through terribly well. And how did the move at all? As the Doctor puts it New York is, after all, the City that Never Sleeps. Wouldn't there ALWAYS be someone looking?
Fairly good episode, though still not a die hard fan.
The two problems with Doctor Who is that they make stuff up to resolve problems and the stories are always full of glaring plot holes, so that you're constantly going "Huh?" or "Hang on a sec".
This makes it bloody hard to suspend disbelief. Moffat's other show (Sherlock) is no better.
hotsauceman1 wrote:Ok, Um Alot of Gripes and one big TY to the producers
Spoiler:
1: As people have said, The Statue, I'm not going to go into it. But there was quite a bit of time no one had their eyes on it
2: The baby Angels, How are they made?
3: Its said that they used it as a farm, Ok makes sense, But how did they get fed? It said they can't leave, and i think the angels would raise a few eybrows at the grocery store
4: JOY TO THE WORLD, AMY AND RORY ARE GONE!!!!!!!!
5EATH TO THE WORLD, River is in.
6: Rory dies more often then Daniel Jackson.
1. Yeah,thought that was over the top silly.
2. Well you see, when a mommy angel and a daddy angel get together...
6. And both shows comment on their resurrection habit in the show.
You people and your petty plot holes. That was a great episode. A bit funny, quite scary and very sad. A near perfect Doctor Who episode. I will miss the Ponds.
hotsauceman1 wrote: Well, When you realize a Blatant Plothole, Such as the Statue of liberty being an angel, it takes you out of the episode.
Yeah, a good DW ep doesn't overly break suspension of disbelief quite so badly. Even using the rules of the Whoniverse, this ep broke several rules re the Angels that already existed. As well as basic logic.
Moffet really went out of his way to put Amy and Rory on a bus, but the plot holes are big enough to lose a dalek fleet in.
I don't suppose that all the moaners could actually stop and remember the show is aimed at kids? As the target audience is the under 14 year olds, I don't think blatant storyline pot holes really matter to them?!? Please try an remember this when picking holes with it.
It's designed for kids, but written in such a way that mum & dad feel able to sit and watch it at the same time, thus making it a family experience. It is not supposed to be X-files, Supernatural, Fringe, Grimm, etc.
The British newspaper TV critics seem to be aware of this as they have given it good reviews, with comments about it being borderline scary for adults as well.
Before the whiners go on about having the right to express their opinion, I would say this. Yes you have a right to express your opinion, but take a moment to stop and put things into perspective. An adult pickin holes in the Dr Who storyline is as pointless as scoffing at a kids art & craft show when they make a house out of an old cereal box.
When Doctor Who was a badass (and budgets were tiny).
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Kilkrazy wrote: I've made the same point myself, and I am a huge doctor who fan.
However I do feel the Angels episode was the weakest this series.
Frazzled learned 3.7 minutes after then ending that if he brings up the topic of "hey why doesn't the Doctor just wack all the angels, by launching them on a slow trip to the sun" he will be shouted down and beaten ad and face by Genghis Connie in holy umbrage. Rodney will wimper and TBone will pee on me.
On the positive I'm glad the'y've moved on already. The foreshadowing was getting lame. The Doctor needs to grab the dalek chick, the Great White Hunter, and Nefertiri and start a five episode party. culminating in an episode involving the wiener dog legions.
hotsauceman1 wrote: Frazz, Angels, Aslong as they are quantum locked, they are inv invincible. They are stuck in that moment of time.
Can you physically move them? Put mirrors around them. Put them in a box. Put said box in space at ~27 kph towards the sun or nearest star depending on preference.
You wouldn't get Daleks with this sort of can't do attitude...
Wolfstan wrote: I don't suppose that all the moaners could actually stop and remember the show is aimed at kids? As the target audience is the under 14 year olds, I don't think blatant storyline pot holes really matter to them?!? Please try an remember this when picking holes with it.
Saying 'Well it's for kids and poor writing doesn't matter there' in this day and age is a poor excuse. It's like saying 'It's just for American TV, it doesn't have to have good writing, just lot of cleavage and six packs'. To a degree, that's true, but only if you're producing abominations like Jersey Shore.
This is Doctor Who. One would hope that it's held to a marginally higher standard than Spongebob Squarepants or Ren and Stimpy.
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hotsauceman1 wrote: Frazz, Angels, Aslong as they are quantum locked, they are inv invincible. They are stuck in that moment of time.
I might point out that the Doctor has beaten them before by positioning them so that four of them were looking at each other.
I view Dr. Who as "pulp" sci-fi, it's supposed to be epic and exciting, funny and more than a little bit ridiculous. Time travel is not scientifically possible, so the whole damn show doesn't have a shred of plausibility to it to start with, never mind the complete and utter unrealism of basically everything else about the entire show. Suspension of disbelief is a perquisite for sci-fi such as this, if you're constantly hung up over whether or not some people would have definitely been looking at the statue of liberty at 3am on a pitch black night (remember, the angels are able to turn out *all* the lights), then you're never going to enjoy the show.
It's in the same category as Farscape or Stargate (SGU excluded).. it's not "hard" sci-fi like Trek (original series excluded), BSG, Babylon 5.
So, yeah, I forgive all plotholes that make the show cooler... statue of liberty coming to life might not be scientifically or plausibly accurate (although David Copperfield did make it disappear that one time, which makes you wonder. ).. but it is extremely cool, so I happily excuse it on account of rule of cool... the opening scene was made a whole lot creepier by its addition.
Don't say hard. thats actually a historically defined genre.
Soft-space opera.
Hard-real sciency based. Think the actual space issues in 2001 and 2010.
Wolfstan wrote: I don't suppose that all the moaners could actually stop and remember the show is aimed at kids? As the target audience is the under 14 year olds, I don't think blatant storyline pot holes really matter to them?!? Please try an remember this when picking holes with it.
Saying 'Well it's for kids and poor writing doesn't matter there' in this day and age is a poor excuse. It's like saying 'It's just for American TV, it doesn't have to have good writing, just lot of cleavage and six packs'. To a degree, that's true, but only if you're producing abominations like Jersey Shore.
This is Doctor Who. One would hope that it's held to a marginally higher standard than Spongebob Squarepants or Ren and Stimpy.
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hotsauceman1 wrote: Frazz, Angels, Aslong as they are quantum locked, they are inv invincible. They are stuck in that moment of time.
I might point out that the Doctor has beaten them before by positioning them so that four of them were looking at each other.
Yes that is true, When they where not quantum locked and actively attacking the tardis.
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scarletsquig wrote: I view Dr. Who as "pulp" sci-fi, it's supposed to be epic and exciting, funny and more than a little bit ridiculous. Time travel is not scientifically possible, so the whole damn show doesn't have a shred of plausibility to it to start with, never mind the complete and utter unrealism of basically everything else about the entire show. Suspension of disbelief is a perquisite for sci-fi such as this, if you're constantly hung up over whether or not some people would have definitely been looking at the statue of liberty at 3am on a pitch black night (remember, the angels are able to turn out *all* the lights), then you're never going to enjoy the show.
It's in the same category as Farscape or Stargate (SGU excluded).. it's not "hard" sci-fi like Trek (original series excluded), BSG, Babylon 5.
So, yeah, I forgive all plotholes that make the show cooler... statue of liberty coming to life might not be scientifically or plausibly accurate (although David Copperfield did make it disappear that one time, which makes you wonder. ).. but it is extremely cool, so I happily excuse it on account of rule of cool... the opening scene was made a whole lot creepier by its addition.
Suspension of Disbelief is good. But there is only so far you can get suspended. Shows need to have rules(unless the show shows a complete lack of rules as part of its premise) that make sense in the universe.
Wolfstan wrote: I don't suppose that all the moaners could actually stop and remember the show is aimed at kids? As the target audience is the under 14 year olds, I don't think blatant storyline pot holes really matter to them?!? Please try an remember this when picking holes with it.
Saying 'Well it's for kids and poor writing doesn't matter there' in this day and age is a poor excuse. It's like saying 'It's just for American TV, it doesn't have to have good writing, just lot of cleavage and six packs'. To a degree, that's true, but only if you're producing abominations like Jersey Shore.
This is Doctor Who. One would hope that it's held to a marginally higher standard than Spongebob Squarepants or Ren and Stimpy.
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hotsauceman1 wrote: Frazz, Angels, Aslong as they are quantum locked, they are inv invincible. They are stuck in that moment of time.
I might point out that the Doctor has beaten them before by positioning them so that four of them were looking at each other.
Where did I say that poor writing was ok as it was a kid's show? I said it's for kids and the adults are expecting too much of the plotlines. I think if you go back to the Dr Who shows of the past they are just the same. It's only the adults that have grown up and added to the background and expectation.
hotsauceman1 wrote: Also, Simplist way to defeat an angel.
Mirrors, Tape one to the back of your head, and a few to your front, and any angel that attacks you sees its own reflection.
Awesome.
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Alfndrate wrote: I liked the episode, Weeping Angels are by far my favorite villain in Doctor Who, I agree they're not as scary as they used to be in "Blink", but when you have an entire planet of them, you kinda throw your hand a little early.
I felt it was actually a sad way to go for Amy and Rory, killing them off without actually killing them... (Just don't let me know that all of the recent companions have been killed off without being killed off)
Also, River is getting near the end of her life in the series as well isn't she? This is the first time since meeting the 10th in the "Silence in the Library" that she is mentioned to be a professor. So, we might not be seeing much of her in the future. Though granted, with the whole, "she's a time traveler" we could be stuck with her for a while.
If they just go back in time doesn't that doom them to a life of luxury as they use their knowledge of past events to make a royal mint?
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Kilkrazy wrote: Why not land in New Jersey in 1938, and cross the river?
It's all governed by the need to generate plot points, of course.
Because retrieving old friends from doom is still not enough to make you go to New Jersey?
Actually general relativity does allow for time travel, and special relativity throws the Law of Causality out the window if a particle travels faster than the speed of light. (our friend the tachyon, for example)
Actually general relativity does allow for time travel, and special relativity throws the Law of Causality out the window if a particle travels faster than the speed of light. (our friend the tachyon, for example)
Its always the tachyons breaking the rules isn't it. You show me ten tachyons and I'll show you ten particles that are up to no good.
If it's one thing I've learned with Doctor Who, it's to make my own perception filter for plot holes. This is not hard Sci-fi guys. It's just fun.
I loved Rory a lot more than Amy. I want more of his dad! Still, I'm looking forward to the new girl and how they hell are they going to explain her if she's already a human turned Dalek and dead at that!
Alfndrate wrote: I liked the episode, Weeping Angels are by far my favorite villain in Doctor Who, I agree they're not as scary as they used to be in "Blink", but when you have an entire planet of them, you kinda throw your hand a little early.
I felt it was actually a sad way to go for Amy and Rory, killing them off without actually killing them... (Just don't let me know that all of the recent companions have been killed off without being killed off)
Also, River is getting near the end of her life in the series as well isn't she? This is the first time since meeting the 10th in the "Silence in the Library" that she is mentioned to be a professor. So, we might not be seeing much of her in the future. Though granted, with the whole, "she's a time traveler" we could be stuck with her for a while.
If they just go back in time doesn't that doom them to a life of luxury as they use their knowledge of past events to make a royal mint?
I'm sure that they would have no problem making a mint, and the Amy does say she and Rory lived a good life after the Angel sent them back in time, but without any major changes in history, you could assume that maybe Amy and Rory didn't pay attention to any level of American history, and thus were unable to live their lives in luxury in NYC. Now the other question that pops up is what time were they sent back to? If the Rory dying at 82 in 1938 was his fixed time of death, then they were sent back to the 1800s, still very possible to make a mint at that time, but a little farther out of the whole scope of making money. Granted if they ONLY used knowledge of their lives, then even if they were sent back to 1938, Amy only lived for another 53 to 54 years (she died at 87, and was assumed roughly 33 or 34 when the episode before the Angels Take Manhattan). So she would have only lived to the early 1990s, and probably did not care about wealth at that point.
I agree that they probably lived a good life, and many of the Angels victims did live a good life, if you go back to Blink, the lives of Billy Shipton and Kathy Nightingale were still good, Kathy having a nice life with a husband and several children, as well as Billy starting a film production company.
Yes, the sad part about it is not that Amy and Rory have a good life post-doc, but that they will never be able to be the Doctor's Companions and live that life anymore, couple that with Amy's infertility, they simply spend their days together, which isn't bad, since they don't have to deal with screaming children lol.
If it's one thing I've learned with Doctor Who, it's to make my own perception filter for plot holes. This is not hard Sci-fi guys. It's just fun.
I loved Rory a lot more than Amy. I want more of his dad! Still, I'm looking forward to the new girl and how they hell are they going to explain her if she's already a human turned Dalek and dead at that!
Frazzled view:
Spoiler:
Due to time lock nonsense, it turns out the girl is actually not dead - she's got herself turned into the Dalek whatsitthing - autobot? so she can boogie about like a normal human with the Doctor.
It would be cool to have her able to blast away when threatened.
Angel appears
Doctor looks pensive
Gun pops out of Dalekchick and she starts screaming "Exterminate! Exterminate!"
Actually general relativity does allow for time travel, and special relativity throws the Law of Causality out the window if a particle travels faster than the speed of light. (our friend the tachyon, for example)
I like to think (and fear, in equal measures) that time travel is possible. My knowledge extents to the point of knowing of Tachyons and that they like to be hipsters, travelling back in time before it was cool.
Just the muses of a relatively ignorant fanboy, but if you could get suitable power and containment then simply surrounding a craft with tachyons and being able to direct them would allow time travel. I'm sure it's a lot more complicated than that but it sure would be fun. Probably a one way ticket though.
I think the last episode was just as bad and typical of the whole season. The Ponds have grown tired and stale and it was just time for them to go. I actually really like River and wish they would have the Doctor run with her for a prolonged period of time.
My fingers are crossed for the New companion breathing new life into the series, otherwise I done with WHO.
NecronLord3 wrote: My fingers are crossed for the New companion breathing new life into the series, otherwise I done with WHO.
Told myself that a few times, but I keep watching just in the hopes it gets better and so I don't get behind, seeing as they seem to enjoy multi-series spanning plots that make no sense and are unnecessarily complex and/or silly. Wouldn't want it to finally live up to high expectations and me not have a clue of what's going on.
Besides, at least this series has been better than the last one.
You mean the last season? That I would agree to, but the lastt series if you mean the 10th Doctor, was far superior. I haven't enjoyed much of Matt Smiths run at all!
NecronLord3 wrote: You mean the last season? That I would agree to, but the lastt series if you mean the 10th Doctor, was far superior. I haven't enjoyed much of Matt Smiths run at all!
A series is what we in America would call a season... Right now we're on series 7, Matt Smith has been with us for series 5 through 7, and will probably continue into series 8 for a bit... Or go out at the end of series 7 and no one knows it yet.
NecronLord3 wrote: You mean the last season? That I would agree to, but the lastt series if you mean the 10th Doctor, was far superior. I haven't enjoyed much of Matt Smiths run at all!
Tennant was one of the best Doctors and my all time favourite. Granted, I've not had much experience with many Doctors but I've seen enough to make a good call on that. Naturally, Tom is second with the third Doc following behind.
I liked the 9th doctor lol... I seem to be the only person that really liked him. I actually stopped watching Doctor Who on Netflix when he became the 10th doctor for a while (watched Breaking Bad instead), and kinda had a sour taste in my mouth for the first 5 episodes with David Tennant, until I warmed up to him. I didn't have the same issue with Matt Smith, but that's because I had already seen 4 seasons of the doctors, so I knew it was going to happen.
Alfndrate wrote: I liked the 9th doctor lol... I seem to be the only person that really liked him. I actually stopped watching Doctor Who on Netflix when he became the 10th doctor for a while (watched Breaking Bad instead), and kinda had a sour taste in my mouth for the first 5 episodes with David Tennant, until I warmed up to him. I didn't have the same issue with Matt Smith, but that's because I had already seen 4 seasons of the doctors, so I knew it was going to happen.
At the time I was only really old enough to properly get into Doctor Who, and because I was new I found the 9th a bit.. hard to get to grips with. But in hindsight, he was good and frankly Eccleston would've done well to have another series, but overall his short run works quite well.
I really liked Eccelstiens(forgive spelling) run as the 9th Doctor, he reminded me of Baker whom I was familiar with as a child. I liked his style and darker tone, but his run felt suited to being short as he had baggage from destroying the Daleks and his own race.
I think Smith is great but definitely not in Moffat's camp. It's turning more and more to fantasy than Sci-fi. It never was hard sci-fi but at least it was close.
I just Saw the Midseason Finale of Warehouse 13, Its end put me on edge way more then the midseason finale of Doctor Who.
And well, I think Doctor Who is heading into the territory of being way to campy. The Villains aren't scary anymore.
Its time to hire new Writers BBC.
hotsauceman1 wrote: I just Saw the Midseason Finale of Warehouse 13, Its end put me on edge way more then the midseason finale of Doctor Who.
And well, I think Doctor Who is heading into the territory of being way to campy. The Villains aren't scary anymore.
Its time to hire new Writers BBC.
Seconded. Warehouse 13 is good at taking the harmless and making them scary.
Really? Warehouse 13 I'm getting sick of because of the simple things like the unexplained ability to travel around the world in 5 minutes! Also the so many times they should have just shot someone instead of them getting way. You have a damn stun gun! Just shoot him!
Yes, there are plot holes, but they are not readily apparent such as the statue of liberty moving.
And im comparing mid season finales. 13 left me much more wanting to see the next episode(i skipped 40k night to see it) because thats how you end a season in the middle. By everything going belly up
hotsauceman1 wrote: I just Saw the Midseason Finale of Warehouse 13, Its end put me on edge way more then the midseason finale of Doctor Who.
And well, I think Doctor Who is heading into the territory of being way to campy. The Villains aren't scary anymore.
Its time to hire new Writers BBC.
Seconded. Warehouse 13 is good at taking the harmless and making them scary.
Have they made a second series?! I loved the first, but it just disappeared off the radar completely.
I would really like to see them cast a 12th doctor and not kill off Matt Smith. Then they should design a plot line around events involving the next Doctor and it would also be nice to involve allof the modern Doctors in a new "the 5 Doctor"s movie.
I'm watching Asylum of the Daleks at the moment. Did the writers swap with Cybermen ? I thought Cybermen converted people, by destroying their emotions, and that Daleks where a specie, who evolved into that. Now this episode saying they convert people goes against all that I can remember. Or am I missing something ?
Arkon wrote: I'm watching Asylum of the Daleks at the moment. Did the writers swap with Cybermen ? I thought Cybermen converted people, by destroying their emotions, and that Daleks where a specie, who evolved into that. Now this episode saying they convert people goes against all that I can remember. Or am I missing something ?
Apparently there were borglike Daleks, last season. Hate the idea. Asylum is disappointing at best, and is supposedly the solution to the dead Doctor situation from last season.
Darkvoidof40k wrote: Hot damn. Guess they just took it off the channel I watched it on way back then. *curses*
Anyway, back to the Who..
Just a Quick Note, The man who played LT. Data in TNG is playing the villain this series/season.
Now not to derail the Thread, I would like the Doctor to go to 12th, i want someone like Chris back. He had a nice flavor.
Arkon wrote: I'm watching Asylum of the Daleks at the moment. Did the writers swap with Cybermen ? I thought Cybermen converted people, by destroying their emotions, and that Daleks where a specie, who evolved into that. Now this episode saying they convert people goes against all that I can remember. Or am I missing something ?
They're crazy daleks, so I assume they just chopped her up and put her on a life support system inside a Dalek case.
The Daleks' asylum planet is full of Daleks so mad that even the ordinary Dalakes are scared of them. The last ditch defence of the whole planet is a cloud of nano-machines that turn any invaders into more Daleks. (Or something.)
Arkon wrote: I'm watching Asylum of the Daleks at the moment. Did the writers swap with Cybermen ? I thought Cybermen converted people, by destroying their emotions, and that Daleks where a specie, who evolved into that. Now this episode saying they convert people goes against all that I can remember. Or am I missing something ?
They're crazy daleks, so I assume they just chopped her up and put her on a life support system inside a Dalek case.
No it was total assimilation, at the molecular level, and is just complete crap IMO. Daleks hate anything not Dalek, they would kill first before assimilating anything.
Ill admit i loved the quipp aabout them destroying the doctor
Dr. "This is appaling, that you find hatred and destruction beautiful"
Dalek "Maybe thats why we cant destroy you"
hotsauceman1 wrote: Ill admit i loved the quipp aabout them destroying the doctor
Dr. "This is appaling, that you find hatred and destruction beautiful"
Dalek "Maybe thats why we cant destroy you"
hotsauceman1 wrote: Ill admit i loved the quipp aabout them destroying the doctor
Dr. "This is appaling, that you find hatred and destruction beautiful"
Dalek "Maybe thats why we cant destroy you"
Darkvoidof40k wrote: Hot damn. Guess they just took it off the channel I watched it on way back then. *curses*
Anyway, back to the Who..
Just a Quick Note, The man who played LT. Data in TNG is playing the villain this series/season.
Now not to derail the Thread, I would like the Doctor to go to 12th, i want someone like Chris back. He had a nice flavor.
Brent Spiner as a villain? Oh ho ho, this should be brilliant.
If it isn't I will don my cloak and go hunting.
As for Daleks converting humans and such.. well, originally they weren't like that. But since quite old series even they had begun converting humans into Daleks, I believe. Act of desperation I think, akin to conscription perhaps. I suppose the bad habit simply developed.
Then you've got Davros' Daleks from Tennant's second last series who were pure, 100% excellent life-hating pepper cans with lasers, just as they should be.
Mind you it sucked hard that they were defeated so easily. That's the thing, Doctor Who needs to bring back its 3-4 parters, that would truly make some of the plots that turned out quite badly have a chance to really expand and become rather impressive and enjoyable.
Agreed, the one episode stories were always filler, with the longer 2-3 parters giving more of an insight into the overall plot line, and then the finale bringin it all together.
This series so far is filler through and through...
Revenent Reiko wrote: Agreed, the one episode stories were always filler, with the longer 2-3 parters giving more of an insight into the overall plot line, and then the finale bringin it all together.
This series so far is filler through and through...
The majority of each series now are just the icing in the middle of the cake. You have to wait several weeks later for the actual cake itself, by then it's stale and to top it off it's thrown in your face when you least expect it.
As for Daleks converting humans and such.. well, originally they weren't like that. But since quite old series even they had begun converting humans into Daleks, I believe. Act of desperation I think, akin to conscription perhaps. I suppose the bad habit simply developed.
Then you've got Davros' Daleks from Tennant's second last series who were pure, 100% excellent life-hating pepper cans with lasers, just as they should be.
Mind you it sucked hard that they were defeated so easily. That's the thing, Doctor Who needs to bring back its 3-4 parters, that would truly make some of the plots that turned out quite badly have a chance to really expand and become rather impressive and enjoyable.
I agrree, Poison Sky is mt favorite. Also the dalek that converted humans where considered "Wrong" and disposed of
Revenent Reiko wrote: Agreed, the one episode stories were always filler, with the longer 2-3 parters giving more of an insight into the overall plot line, and then the finale bringin it all together.
This series so far is filler through and through...
The majority of each series now are just the icing in the middle of the cake. You have to wait several weeks later for the actual cake itself, by then it's stale and to top it off it's thrown in your face when you least expect it.
Not only when you least expected, the throw is so rushed most of it goes over your head...
although, i want to know what cakes you are getting that have icing in the middle....the ones my mum makes have buttercream, but thats lovely, and should not be compared to this series of DW
Revenent Reiko wrote: Agreed, the one episode stories were always filler, with the longer 2-3 parters giving more of an insight into the overall plot line, and then the finale bringin it all together.
This series so far is filler through and through...
The majority of each series now are just the icing in the middle of the cake. You have to wait several weeks later for the actual cake itself, by then it's stale and to top it off it's thrown in your face when you least expect it.
Not only when you least expected, the throw is so rushed most of it goes over your head...
although, i want to know what cakes you are getting that have [i]icing[/i[ oin the middle....the ones my mum makes have buttercream, but thats lovely, and should not be compared to this series of DW
I'm the last person to ask about culinary practices and details. I'll just call the filling icing and be on my merry way.
Revenent Reiko wrote: Agreed, the one episode stories were always filler, with the longer 2-3 parters giving more of an insight into the overall plot line, and then the finale bringin it all together.
This series so far is filler through and through...
One episode isn't always long enough to make the most of a story. I'm not against one episode stories as such. Some of them have been excellent, e.g. Blink.
The two parters have generally worked well.
In the old style series there were sometimes 3 to 4 episode long mini-series.
Having only just watched the 'last' episode on the iPlayer, I thought overall it was pretty good but could have done with a bit more filling, and I called the ending a few minutes into the episode, which I understand may be easy in a show about time travel but I roughly predicted this when the early rumours of this series came out
On a more serious note, River Song looked great in this episode
Rysaer wrote: Having only just watched the 'last' episode on the iPlayer, I thought overall it was pretty good but could have done with a bit more filling, and I called the ending a few minutes into the episode, which I understand may be easy in a show about time travel but I roughly predicted this when the early rumours of this series came out
Me too. As soon as they explained the old Angel rule again it was pretty obvious how they were gonna write the Ponds out. Though I was expecting that the Doctor stays with them till the end.
Well, I just saw Asylum of the Daleks. I have to say that its the best episode I've seen since that one with Vincent Van Gogh. The twist at the end was great.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: Well, I just saw Asylum of the Daleks. I have to say that its the best episode I've seen since that one with Vincent Van Gogh. The twist at the end was great.
Both great episodes, although the whole dalek/human conversion thing kind of bugged me but that twist. Wowsers.
Vincent Van Gogh Episode can still give me man tears.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: Well, I just saw Asylum of the Daleks. I have to say that its the best episode I've seen since that one with Vincent Van Gogh. The twist at the end was great.
Both great episodes, although the whole dalek/human conversion thing kind of bugged me but that twist. Wowsers.
Vincent Van Gogh Episode can still give me man tears.
Yeah, the nano bot conversion thing was weird. It was certainly sinister, but the fact that it results in a stem sticking out of the poor bloke's head was a bit...odd.
Ditto on the Van Gogh episode. Though I don't actually have man tears.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: Ditto on the Van Gogh episode. Though I don't actually have man tears.
I literally have man tears, they come out in the shape of small tear sized men. Trufax.
Also I'm hoping we will see more of the newer villians/races as I feel the Dalek angle has been overworked slightly in the last little while, I love them as villians but I'd like to see more new villians or even the resurgence of some older ones.
Rory’s dad, Brian Williams, only appeared in two episodes but swiftly established himself as a favourite amongst Doctor Who’s audience. After Amy and Rory’s heart-breaking departure in The Angels Take Manhattan we received many emails asking what happened next to Brian. Did he ever find out what took his son and daughter-in-law? If so, how? And would Brian – and viewers - ever learn more about Amy and Rory’s life after the Doctor?
A special scene was written by Chris Chibnall that revealed some of the answers but sadly, the sequence was never shot. However, we’re happy to announce that we’ll be bringing you the scene tomorrow. Using animated storyboards and a voice-over specially recorded by Arthur Darvill, we’ll discover more about Brian and the Ponds, post-Angels.
It begins with Brian alone, doing what he once told the Doctor must be done – watering the plants. But his life is about to change forever…
Doctor Who’s Executive Producer, Caro Skinner, said, ‘We’re delighted we can present this lovely scene written by Chris Chibnall. People took Rory’s dad, Brian, to their hearts very quickly, so it’s fitting we can give the character a degree of closure in this poignant piece.’
P.S. is a short video written by Chris Chibnall and will be essential viewing for anyone who wants to know more about what happened to Brian, Amy and Rory. It will be available to watch on this site tomorrow, Friday, 12th October.
hotsauceman1 wrote: Bringing up river, Who the hell took care of her while she was melody?
She was raised by that military race to be an assassin but she obviously regenerated one or more times and became the black friend of Rory and Amy. For all we know she lived 10 lifetimes before becoming River Song.
Well, I saw "The Angels Take Manhatten," or as I like to call it "Plotholes awoy!"
Really, the episodes with the weeping angels are getting more ridiculous with every appearance.
A town called mercy was a bit better, and it was nice seeing Ben Browder again (as well as getting an actual American in a DW episode, instead of some guy in a terrible accent!)
The power of three was ok, though the ending was a tad lacklustre.
I have to say that I'm probably not going to watch future episodes of doctor who and one of the few things that would bring me back to watching it would be to see in the news the fact that Matt Smith has been replaced by someone older and more mature, and that the writer has been replaced by someone who prefers two- to four-parters, and doesn't automatically have every episode set on Earth. Surely the whole point of the show is the wide range of places and times, rather than staying within the past two centuries as quite a number of recent episodes have done, or going to different planets with different problems?
Or, perhaps, simply showing episodes from before Christopher Eccleston's time. The show has gone from being aimed at teenagers in the beginning to children aged 8 and under now. The current stage of the show is simply depressing.
I concur, I watch eccelston, and he straight up killed that last human in one episode. Eccelston would have thrown the doctor out and said "Sorry, you got what you deserved"
Matt Smith is to much of a pacifist.
One of the reasons I like Matt Smith's Doctor is because he is such a pacifist. I think there need to be more characters like that on TV. Not every male hero needs to be an asskicking maverick with a heart of gold.
Da Boss wrote: One of the reasons I like Matt Smith's Doctor is because he is such a pacifist. I think there need to be more characters like that on TV. Not every male hero needs to be an asskicking maverick with a heart of gold.
Sure, one of the things about the Doctor is (and has always been) that he is more of a pacifist than most heroes, as was shown in episodes featuring Captain Jack. But what I like about what the Doctor should be is that it's at least partially because he's a coward, and also that he will be utterly destructive when necessary, and I've seen neither of these values in Matt Smith. I blame that more on the writer, but those are the two things I love most about the Doctor, the two things that define him, and suddenly he doesn't have them. Hell, he managed to make the daleks fear him! The Daleks! and what's he gone and done in this series? Had their memories of him deleted. I honestly can't wait for the doctor to regenerate.
Yeah, actually, I shouldn't have said "Matt Smith's Doctor". I like how Matt Smith plays the Doctor, but I am eternally disappointed by the writing not living up to how good I think he can be. I think we saw more glimpses of that early on in the series, but the more full of themselves the writers got, the worse the series has become. Very much like Tennants time, sadly.
As for the coward angle, yes, agreed. Also agreed on the fact that when he decides to act, it can be terrifying. One other thing I think they could play with a bit more is how egotistical he is. If he interferes in a timeline, he must think that he's going to improve it, every time, because once he's been in once, he can't really go again.
Very tired of being "told" all the time that "The Doctor is SCARY! The Doctor is WONDERFUL!" Show, don't tell guys. It's rule 1 of visual media.
Hmm. Well, he ran away from the time vortex when he was younger, and he can never bear to let either a companion die or a civilization be wiped out if it would, say, stop the daleks. Perhaps he's not a coward compared to the average human, but he's not exactly the average human.
You only need to watch a minute in to see it.
I think the thing about him is that he fears the daleks, but equally they fear him.
According to the official BBC Doctor Who site: “We can confirm that the Cybermen will be menacing the universe once again when Doctor Who returns for a run of eight epic episodes in spring, 2013.The iconic enemies will feature in an adventure directed by Stephen Woolfenden and written by the acclaimed Neil Gaiman whose previous episode was the Hugo Award-winning, ‘The Doctor’s Wife’.
“Starring Matt Smith as the Doctor and Jenna-Louise Coleman as the new companion, the episode co-stars Warwick Davis (Life’s Too Short and Harry Potter), Tamzin Outhwaite (EastEnders and Hotel Babylon) and Jason Watkins (Being Human and Lark Rise To Candleford) as a band of misfits on a mysterious planet…
“Steven Moffat, Lead Writer and executive producer, told us, ‘Cybermen were always the monsters that scared me the most! Not just because they were an awesome military force, but because sometimes they could be sleek and silver and right behind you without you even knowing… And with one of the all-time classic monsters returning, and a script from one of our finest novelists, it’s no surprise we have attracted such stellar names as Tamzin, Jason and Warwick.’”
Neil Gaiman tweeted this morning, “I saw my first Cybermen watching Moonbase, as Jamie thought the Piper was coming for him (scary). Then Tomb of the Cybermen terrified me.” When asked if the episode would be scary, he responded, “I hope so.” [via Doctor Who News]
Doctor Who returns on 25 December for the Christmas Special and is back for a run of eight episodes in spring, 2013. Currently, the Gaiman/Cybermen episode is scheduled as the seventh of those episodes.
Neil Gaiman? And not directed by Steven Moffat? Perhaps there's a chance I'll watch the next Dr. Who after all. Especially as it's cybermen returning. If they destroy the cybermen like they destroyed the doctor and turned the daleks into skittles, then that's the end of Dr. Who for me. Otherwise, perhaps there's still some life left in it.
Kilkrazy wrote: Not yet but she has been trailed in the papers and somehow appeared as a character in the Asylum of the Daleks episode.
I saw that episode. But isn't she kind of, er dead, and a Dalek? Unless we have a dalek rolling around (which would be cool) I don't see how that works. WOuld be cool though.
guest star: Oh noes what is that?
DW: Its a Cyberman, the most feared robo man guy ever seen! But have no fear I will protect you with this sonic scre...
COmpanion: EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE! ZZAP
guest star: wow, you're cool upturned trash can girl.
DW: er...right. thats not going to do at all. I'm the star here
Companion: ZZAP!
.. I personally lean towards the companion being an ancestor of hers -- bit like they did with Gwen in Who/torchwood.
Kind of related ...
Star Wars: The Clone Wars has had several great guest stars over the years known for iconic roles in other popular genre franchises, including George Takei, Simon Pegg and Katee Sackhoff. But for the first time, a Doctor is coming to the series, as none other than David Tennant appears on this coming Saturday’s “A Test of Strength.”
The episode continues the story arc begun last week, as a group of young Jedi set out to build their first lightsabers. The former Doctor Who star will voice Huyang, a droid who is a crucial part of this journey.
When it came to getting Tennant to appear on The Clone Wars, Filoni remarked, “As a fan that has the privilege of playing in the Star Wars galaxy, I am always on the lookout for others who appreciate, and would enjoy, an opportunity to go on an adventure in George’s galaxy far, far away. When I heard the Doctor himself, David Tennant, was a fan of Star Wars I knew I had to find a way to get in contact with him to see if he would perform on The Clone Wars. The result was ‘Huyang,’ an ancient droid in the service of the Jedi Order, whose sole task in life has been overseeing the construction of lightsabers. I thought David was perfect for the part and he did not disappoint. He delivered a performance which impressed even the Master himself, George Lucas.”
Sounds like an interesting episode. I think I might watch it to see whether it was Tennant being awesome or simply Russel T. Davies being awesome, although it probably wouldn't be a completely fair test.
It's possible, although TBH I don't see it happening very easily. It seems far too deus ex machina for them to think all along that she's going to die then have it be her twin. Then again, this is Moffat, I wouldn't be too surprised.
p_gray99 wrote: Sounds like an interesting episode. I think I might watch it to see whether it was Tennant being awesome or simply Russel T. Davies being awesome, although it probably wouldn't be a completely fair test.
It was definitely Tennant.
You should check out the BBC production of "Hamlet" with Tennant and Patrick Stewart.
Huh. So Moffat's using some kind of a twist on dramatic irony so that the audience is confused but the character isn't... Sort of. Should be interesting, although I'm still doubtful that it will deliver.
dinosaurs on this 
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