I hated the episode. Everything from the awful script to the unconvincing plot and ridiculous mini-people in the robot. And the fact that Hitler didn't even feature as anything except an excuse to add said robot. Oh, and every scene with Mel.
And what the hell was the Doctor doing in a top hat and tux? And where did he find the cane? Do Time Lords just find random objects, pick them up say "Oooh, that's nice! You know what this could use? Some sonic-ing!". The whole thing was just a messy patchwork of things they wanted to put in other episodes but couldn't find the time, mixed in with a few one liners and the word Hitler to try and draw people in.
Thanks to this terrible mockery of a true Doctor Who episode, I have been balling my eyes out with rage for the past 2 days. In fact, I might just go upstairs now and shoot myself seven times in the face. I'll even leave a post-it note on the kitchen counter detailing exactly why I've resorted to this and who's to blame. Do you want a child's blood on your hands, Mr Moffat? I think not.
/Rant mode off
TrollPie wrote:I hated the episode. Everything from the awful script to the unconvincing plot and ridiculous mini-people in the robot. And the fact that Hitler didn't even feature as anything except an excuse to add said robot. Oh, and every scene with Mel.
And what the hell was the Doctor doing in a top hat and tux? And where did he find the cane? Do Time Lords just find random objects, pick them up say "Oooh, that's nice! You know what this could use? Some sonic-ing!". The whole thing was just a messy patchwork of things they wanted to put in other episodes but couldn't find the time, mixed in with a few one liners and the word Hitler to try and draw people in.
Thanks to this terrible mockery of a true Doctor Who episode, I have been balling my eyes out with rage for the past 2 days. In fact, I might just go upstairs now and shoot myself seven times in the face. I'll even leave a post-it note on the kitchen counter detailing exactly why I've resorted to this and who's to blame. Do you want a child's blood on your hands, Mr Moffat? I think not.
/Rant mode off
Im gonna rock the heresy boat , my fav Doctor is Collin Baker....thats right i said it, technocolor dream coat n all........ok maybe not the coat. Oh and as far as companions , hard to beat Perpugilliam Brown, unless your into gingers .
corpsesarefun wrote:I agree with avatar completely.
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the whole use regeneration energy to save someone that is dead is such an overused cop out too
Well would you have preferred it if the doctor died?
Yes, then regenerated instead of not being able. I mean what the hell was "regeneration disabled"?!? How do you disable a biological function like that?
Rediculous. I've generally disliked the 11th Doctor's episodes.. but this one was just terrible. I absolutely hated it. Avatar was right, it wasn't even Lets Kill Hitler, it was Lets Save Hitler.
I think if we still had Russell T Davies, this Doctor would work very well. The terrible script writing is just unbelievably bad.
Anung, if you would, I'd be pleased if you could give an explanation as to why you enjoyed the episode so much. I can understand that different people will like different things, but I'm actually very interested as to how anyone could enjoy that episode.
That was the entire point of the poison that she used.
If you know that he can just regenerate, then why do it in the first place, unless you take away the ability to regenerate?
Also, how is using regeneration to save someone an overused cop out?
The only times things related to it have been used has been this episode and "The Stolen Earth" sequence of episodes.
what do you guys expect? It's not David Tennant, so of course it sucked! The episode would have rocked hard if it had some weeping angels in it instead of little people in a friggin robot.
Anung Un Rama wrote:I've skipped the last 3 pages of this thread to avoid potential Torchwood spoilers but now I've seen Let's kill Hitler and I need to talk about it.
This episode was soooo awesome! Okay, maybe that has something to do with the fact that I didn't get any new Doctor Who for months, but I loved it anyway.
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That's the thing about Doctor Who. You don't just do an episode about the Doctor travelling back in time to meet Hitler. There's also a robot of time traveling miniature people. How do they come up with this stuff?
The revelations about River were really fun, though they do a time loop explanation again, by telling River her name is River because her name is River. Missed some potential character development there.
While this could be an end to the River Song over-exposure some people have been complaining about, I really hope we get to see more of here as a kid. At least for Amy's sake.
I thought is was a great episode as well. Compare it to Torchwood and it's way better. Torchwood... brilliant idea / concept, but they just don't know what to do with it.
Anung Un Rama wrote:I've skipped the last 3 pages of this thread to avoid potential Torchwood spoilers but now I've seen Let's kill Hitler and I need to talk about it.
This episode was soooo awesome! Okay, maybe that has something to do with the fact that I didn't get any new Doctor Who for months, but I loved it anyway.
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That's the thing about Doctor Who. You don't just do an episode about the Doctor travelling back in time to meet Hitler. There's also a robot of time traveling miniature people. How do they come up with this stuff?
The revelations about River were really fun, though they do a time loop explanation again, by telling River her name is River because her name is River. Missed some potential character development there.
While this could be an end to the River Song over-exposure some people have been complaining about, I really hope we get to see more of here as a kid. At least for Amy's sake.
I thought is was a great episode as well. Compare it to Torchwood and it's way better. Torchwood... brilliant idea / concept, but they just don't know what to do with it.
Please be joking.
Sure, Torchwood isn't amazing right now cause they're trying something new to make it appeal to Americans, but it's still far better than the current terrible state of Doctor Who.
Wow, I haven't watched the new Dr. Who episode yet (and getting doubts about doing so from reading your comments) but the new Torchwood Episodes are really terrible and if this is even worse, then I think this is the end of me watching the Dr.
But as killykavekommando already said - without David Tennant and a change in writers, the series lost almost all appeal. It's also not really family entertainment any more.
Anung Un Rama wrote:I've skipped the last 3 pages of this thread to avoid potential Torchwood spoilers but now I've seen Let's kill Hitler and I need to talk about it.
This episode was soooo awesome! Okay, maybe that has something to do with the fact that I didn't get any new Doctor Who for months, but I loved it anyway.
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That's the thing about Doctor Who. You don't just do an episode about the Doctor travelling back in time to meet Hitler. There's also a robot of time traveling miniature people. How do they come up with this stuff?
The revelations about River were really fun, though they do a time loop explanation again, by telling River her name is River because her name is River. Missed some potential character development there.
While this could be an end to the River Song over-exposure some people have been complaining about, I really hope we get to see more of here as a kid. At least for Amy's sake.
I thought is was a great episode as well. Compare it to Torchwood and it's way better. Torchwood... brilliant idea / concept, but they just don't know what to do with it.
Please be joking.
Sure, Torchwood isn't amazing right now cause they're trying something new to make it appeal to Americans, but it's still far better than the current terrible state of Doctor Who.
You must be watching two different shows to me then.
The Torchwood production is slick, but that's it, the story is slow and hard going. When it first came out the concept of Torchwood and Captain Jack was amazing, but they fumbled the ball on it. What could of be an amazing series is dying. Where is the mystery and drama? After the 2nd season they proceeded to go down a path that led to Torchwood not being able to function. All the government stuff meant that Torchwood had nowhere to go, either the government was after them or they didn't trust the government. On top of this RTD has crowbarred in his homosexual agenda, which although I'm indifferent to, it's obvious that it's been crowbarred in.
Dr Who is a show for kids, with enough in it to keep the parents sat there. It's always been this way and people forget that. Stop treating it as an episode of The X files or Millenium. It's aimed at kids. If you're over 14 and keep whining about the stories or that the current Dr is better or worse than the last one then you need to get out more as you're obviously missing the point of the show.
Darkvoidof40k wrote:Anung, if you would, I'd be pleased if you could give an explanation as to why you enjoyed the episode so much. I can understand that different people will like different things, but I'm actually very interested as to how anyone could enjoy that episode.
Well, for one thing, I just love things that are completly over the top and ridiculous. And I'm also a big fan of using the third reich as background for whacky science fiction. And there have been very few Doctor episodes since the relaunch I really hated (Love and Monsters is one of the few).
I was a bit disspointed that they ditched the Hitler plot point so early, especially since they completly ignored the possibility of a Nazi/Dalek crossover. But then just using this as a set-up for bringing in yet another sci-fi element, just like they did in Curse of the Black Spot is what makes Doctor Who stand out. Moffat is obviously not satisfied with just throwing sci-fi characters in different time period and I think it works very well in the context of the show.
The robot certainly distracted from the whole Hitler story, but it was, again, a very original sci-fi concept hitting me complety unprepared, which is what I like so much about Doctor Who. And since it has been established on numerous occasions that they Tardis is far from the only Time Machine in existence, it only makes sense for the Doctor to encounter more time travellers himself.
Some people here seem to be angry about River using up her regenerations to save the Doctor. Now I can understand why this looks a bit like a cop out. Then again, what else could they have done. Killing the Doctor is just not an option. How many shows do you know where they can pull off killing the main character? Buffy did it, but I can't think of any other.
Obiously the Doctor's new enemies are very determined to kill him, so creating a poison that shuts off his natural healing ability is only a logical step. And since working out an antidote within the little time frame they had would've been even weirder, using someone else's regenerative abilites is also a logical conclusion.
And what exactly is the problem with the Sonic Cain? We know that the Tardis can build the Screwdriver (as shown in episode 501) so it's not completly out of the question that there is more than one screwdriver at the same time. And considering the Doctor's always changing wardrobe why shouldn't he own a Sonic device for special occasions?
So why did I like this episode so much? Well, I certainly didn't hate it. It had everything I wanted from a good Doctor Who episode. The Doctor being awesome, some nods to the previous contiuty (something which the last season lacked) a few answers, a few questions, Hitler getting punched in the face, Rory being awesome and some really weird new sci-fi concept.
happygolucky wrote:The only 11th episode I didn't like was victory... but then everyone knows why that one was so terrible (since I love daleks....).
I liked that episode! Yes, the Daleks are beaten every time they show up and sice they used to show up a lot they might have lost some of the threat they used to have but I still love them. It's obvious that they are very dangerous. They can't be reasoned with, they have instant death rays, they want to wipe out every other being in existance. But yet they still work so great as a comic villian. Everyone in the Who-verse takes them very seriously, because they know what they are and what they can do. But to the viewer they are still a floating trashcan. And yet they still work. Every time. Victory of the Daleks was so great because they made them even more ridicoulus, yet gave some credible reason for them to act that way. They needed the Doctor and they got him. And I was rolling on the floor for the entire episode because "WOULD YOU CARE FOR SOME TEA!" was just bloody hilarious.
Regarding Torchwood, I'm still in the 2nd season but it is getting better. What I felt was the problem so far, is that they rarely knew what to do with the concept. There were few episodes which really managed to go beyond "Monster of the week". The episode with the Alien whale thingy was one of them. My biggest problem with Torchwood is, that it's one of those shows were most of the problems the team ha could be solved if they would just talk to each other.
Anung Un Rama wrote:Some people here seem to be angry about River using up her regenerations to save the Doctor. Now I can understand why this looks a bit like a cop out. Then again, what else could they have done. Killing the Doctor is just not an option. How many shows do you know where they can pull off killing the main character? Buffy did it, but I can't think of any other.
They could have removed the death entirely. Why does a main character have to almost die in every other episode? Seriously. It's just getting predictable now.
Anung Un Rama wrote:Some people here seem to be angry about River using up her regenerations to save the Doctor. Now I can understand why this looks a bit like a cop out. Then again, what else could they have done. Killing the Doctor is just not an option. How many shows do you know where they can pull off killing the main character? Buffy did it, but I can't think of any other.
They could have removed the death entirely. Why does a main character have to almost die in every other episode? Seriously. It's just getting predictable now.
Well I would imagine that in this case it's about developing the character of River Song, what would make her change from being a ruthless killer to the Dr's future wife? I don't think someone having a quiet chat with her would of worked
Concerning Torchwood, they need to sort themselves out and decide what to do with it. Go back to basics and plan a long game. accept that John Barrowman can't be Captain Jack for much longer and work out away around it. Perhaps have an incident involving the Tardis that allows him to regenerate? Or work out some kind of traumatic incident that will cause regeneration. At least this way they know they can continue the character. At the moment they seem to have an eye on the limited time they have to use JB and it's having a negative effect. Storylines appear to be being written that are final or have half an eye on the option to continue.
Anung Un Rama wrote:I'm sorry, I'm still in the middle of season 2. What's the problem with Captain Jack?
He's immortal, he can't die. Which a bit of a problem for an actor. The following maybe a spoiler if you've not seen the epsiode in Dr Who
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Captain Jack appears to be "The Face of Bo", who is a giant face. This proves that Jack can age over thousands of years, but it is slow and you are probably talking tens of thousands of years. Obviously JB is a real person and will age, which will cause a problem if they want to keep the character going.
OK, so my friend watches this show and said it was good. I started with The Eleventh Hour as my first ever episode. I have no prior exposure to Dr. Who in any way and knew nothing about it.
I had a hard time with it. I didn't hate it per se, but I just really didn't get it either. Are all the episodes weird like this? Is there an overarching plot or continuity?
That red-headed Scottish lady on the show was so pretty it ached a little though, for what that's worth.
Anung Un Rama wrote:I'm sorry, I'm still in the middle of season 2. What's the problem with Captain Jack?
He's immortal, he can't die. Which a bit of a problem for an actor. The following maybe a spoiler if you've not seen the epsiode in Dr Who
Spoiler:
Captain Jack appears to be "The Face of Bo", who is a giant face. This proves that Jack can age over thousands of years, but it is slow and you are probably talking tens of thousands of years. Obviously JB is a real person and will age, which will cause a problem if they want to keep the character going.
I knew that. But why can't John Barrowman be Jack anymore?
Anung Un Rama wrote:I'm sorry, I'm still in the middle of season 2. What's the problem with Captain Jack?
He's immortal, he can't die. Which a bit of a problem for an actor. The following maybe a spoiler if you've not seen the epsiode in Dr Who
Spoiler:
Captain Jack appears to be "The Face of Bo", who is a giant face. This proves that Jack can age over thousands of years, but it is slow and you are probably talking tens of thousands of years. Obviously JB is a real person and will age, which will cause a problem if they want to keep the character going.
I knew that. But why can't John Barrowman be Jack anymore?
Because in 5 - 10 years he will really start to show his age and not look like a character that takes tens of thousands of years to age?!
Ouze wrote:OK, so my friend watches this show and said it was good. I started with The Eleventh Hour as my first ever episode. I have no prior exposure to Dr. Who in any way and knew nothing about it.
I had a hard time with it. I didn't hate it per se, but I just really didn't get it either. Are all the episodes weird like this? Is there an overarching plot or continuity?
That red-headed Scottish lady on the show was so pretty it ached a little though, for what that's worth.
That was the first episode for Matt Smith... They're all kinda weird, some are a touch scary but there gets to be an overarching plot eventually.
Incidentally i liked the new episode. A lot of it was just waffle to get something to happen but i liked it.
Ouze wrote:................That red-headed Scottish lady on the show was so pretty it ached a little though, for what that's worth.
You'll get used to that, eventually it turns to a warm fuzzy feeling in your jeans.
Dr Who was okay on saturday, but wasn't enough for me to put down a new phone i was setting up.
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The Anitbodies were a flash back to 70s/80s Dr Who baddies though, I'm sure they were mad e of silver toilet rolls with half a sponge football on top.
I expect it to get better next week.
As for Tourchwood what a drag that is turning into, literally. Episode 6 of 10 - Feth that, it feels like six years it is going so slowly! I am now in that annoying position where I'm not bothered about watching it but feel I must because I have wasted so much time on it.
Credit where it is due though I really liked the bit where they were killing Capt Jack repeatedly Initially just to show their mates and then eventually draining his blood. Really quite creepy, but you can sort of see how this might happen. Of course liking this could be because of the massive over exposure of John Barrowman and his fething Jazzhands!
Ever since they sort of removed the daleks from the series, dr who has lost some appeal. The power ranger taste the rainbow daleks were decent, but that was a while ago.
BRING BACK THE TENNANT... or a doctor that doesn't suck
Nah, Dr Who is light hearted family fun you can roll with it a bit more. Torchwood is serious business or at least someone at the BBC thinks it should be.
notprop wrote:Nah, Dr Who is light hearted family fun you can roll with it a bit more. Torchwood is serious business or at least someone at the BBC thinks it should be.
I can't see a new series being comissioned.
I reckon Torchwood will give up on America and will try to continue the franchise back here in Britain. I think they really need a series of individual episodes next rather than another, long-lived over-arching series plot. Well, sure, they need one, but not one continuous story every episode. A throwback to Torchwood's birth.
Doctor Who is just dull and boring. Another thing I dislike is when Smith has to portray the Doctor's "hidden anger" that we all know about, because he does it so badly. Tennant did an amazing job of it - his facial expressions, tone, body language and overall acting was far superior to Smith's, especially in this case.
One thing my brother pointed out about the last episode is that it kinda screws up up the River timeline. We know that the Doctor and River are supposed to have lots of other meetings after this, but it really would've been more fun if they just kept to the "they meet in opposite directions"-idea they brought up at the start. That every time they meet, the Doctor knows her a little better and River knows him a little less.
And we still don't know how she got her hands on the 10ths Doctor's Screwdriver.
Yep, thought it was going to be a better one and it had moments, but they died. Slightly worried that next weeks episode seens to be focusing on Gwen's mum & dad. They really have dropped the ball on this one.
I found it suprisingly good, after not really being inspired by the preview ads.
The dolls were quite creepy and could imagine them scaring kids the way Dr Who is supposed to.
I also caught part of the Dr Who confidential and it suggests that daleks might put in an appearance. Matt Smith was shown joking on set with Mark Gatis around a bunch of the Technicolour Dalek leaders. It was part of a montage so might be nothing?
The next one looks like it might at least be faster paced than all the others, which generally have been very slow so far. Seems like the storyline is fairly obvious. They meet up with an older Amy who never got saved and had to wait for years and they fight a bunch of robots that want you to go to sleep. Then we find out who's doing it, and they either defeat them or it goes on until the next episode. Sad moment near the end where older Amy dies. Trailer for episode 10. Fin.
notprop wrote:I also caught part of the Dr Who confidential and it suggests that daleks might put in an appearance. Matt Smith was shown joking on set with Mark Gatis around a bunch of the Technicolour Dalek leaders. It was part of a montage so might be nothing?
That was probably an old clip from the Daleks vs Spitfires episode last year where the new iDaleks were introduced and which Gatiss wrote.
I quite liked the episode this saturday, it was creepy and strange, I just enjoyed having an episode that was stand alone and not adding to the complicated messy arc with eyepatches and River Song and the Flesh that isn't really doing it for me.
notprop wrote:I also caught part of the Dr Who confidential and it suggests that daleks might put in an appearance. Matt Smith was shown joking on set with Mark Gatis around a bunch of the Technicolour Dalek leaders. It was part of a montage so might be nothing?
That was probably an old clip from the Daleks vs Spitfires episode last year where the new iDaleks were introduced and which Gatiss wrote.
I quite liked the episode this saturday, it was creepy and strange, I just enjoyed having an episode that was stand alone and not adding to the complicated messy arc with eyepatches and River Song and the Flesh that isn't really doing it for me.
I watched all of the torchwood miracle day episodes in one lump last night and didn't really enjoy them to be honest, it was extremely light on the scifi and had about as much pace and depth as a flattened snail.
The dolls episode of DW was pretty good though, even if it suffered from the same confusion of topic as the last one in that it tried to do too many things in one episode.
Darkvoidof40k wrote:The next one looks like it might at least be faster paced than all the others, which generally have been very slow so far. Seems like the storyline is fairly obvious. They meet up with an older Amy....
Damn it! That one time I manage to switch of before the preview and then I just stumble over it here.
I thought it was decent episode. The dolls didn't eactly wow me, but it was okay.
Darkvoidof40k wrote:The next one looks like it might at least be faster paced than all the others, which generally have been very slow so far. Seems like the storyline is fairly obvious. They meet up with an older Amy....
Damn it! That one time I manage to switch of before the preview and then I just stumble over it here.
I thought it was decent episode. The dolls didn't eactly wow me, but it was okay.
I won't say I didn't expect this to happen to someone Anung. My bad I 'spose.
think back to ecceston (who i really liked) and early tennant, the episodes were relatively singular, anf it was about saving a planet or a couple of hundred people not saveing the universe for itself and a grand mafia behind everything (im looking at you "the Silence")
Tonights episode was far better than I've come to expect from this series...until the slow motion montage. The most cheesy, cringeworthy sequence I've seen for a long, looooong time.
TrollPie wrote:Tonights episode was far better than I've come to expect from this series...until the slow motion montage. The most cheesy, cringeworthy sequence I've seen for a long, looooong time.
i have to agree there was no need for that overly slow escape scene.
TrollPie wrote:Tonights episode was far better than I've come to expect from this series...until the slow motion montage. The most cheesy, cringeworthy sequence I've seen for a long, looooong time.
i have to agree there was no need for that overly slow escape scene.
I watched DW earlier, and I though that was so drawn out. Plus, old amy didn't even hit the 'bots hard. Just tapped them.
I thought the episode wasn't that good for most of the time, but the end with Rory in the Tardis was almost on the level of gut-wrenching sadness I came to expect from the series during the Tennant run.
Amy and Rory really work well as protagonists, with the Doctor only doing some background stuff. Something I didn't feel Martha or Rose could pull off.
Hmmm, it was good, but great? Still not sure on that one?
The Handbots just never seemed like that much of a threat to be scary. I get that they will try to make each new "monster" differant but sometimes I get the impression that it's truning into the department of silly walks at Dr Who HQ.
I think they had to slow-mo that escape scene because they gave Amy a huge sword that she could barely swing and it would have looked rubbish at real speed.
I thought the make up was good on Amy though - very jowelly!
happygolucky wrote:I personally like smith BUT I do think the scripts moffat are making are putting him to shame...
Same here, I personally enjoy Matt Smith's acting, but it seems that he gets lugged with bad scripts and plots. I'm at the point like many other have mentioned before where they "don't particularly enjoy it, but watch it for the sake that a good episode may come along", of which I thought the doll episode and the older Amy concept were pretty good ideas, but the previous ones are mostly a pile of crap. I'm probably the first one to say this, but my favourite Doctor was the Christopher Eccleston incarnation, mainly due to the episodes he starred in: he wasn't afraid to get his hands dirty, launching missiles against Downing Street (with himself inside it!), taking on the Emperor Dalek himself, and I'm not asking for particuarly violent plots, these ones just had more faster-paced action than the more recent ones, such as the Flesh plots, and the Hitler one, but the Demon's Run episode was a notable exception, apart from those freakish monk creatures.
And River, don't get me freaking started on River. Fair enough, they introduce a new character who matches up to the Doctor's abilities, someone who can travel through time, has a sonic screwdriver, and knows the Doc better than anyone else, fair enough. But now, they introduce more and more extraordinary plots which quite frankly make no sense at all. River is Amy and Rory's daughter? For feth's sake, Mr. Moffat.
If you're still reading my rant, congratulations for making it this far, take a break, have a biccie before you continue.
I think overall the real killing blow for the show is the constant resurrection of old enemies. Cybermen, Daleks (granted, they're the trademark enemies), Sontarans, etc, the writers feel they have to bring them back all the time, creating more absurd reasons why they're there, simply because of the fact that they're old hostiles.
Cybermen created by an insane genius? Good idea.
Cybermen crossed to another universe through a temporal rift? Still a nice idea.
Cybermen still somehow return by falling though the same rift which many times before had been mentioned as completly sealed and nothing could pass through it? For feth's sake.
Daleks recreated by the Emperor? Again, I loved those episodes.
Daleks enter through that rift? Ok, they followed the Cybermen in that Void Ship, still a decent idea nonetheless.
Daleks again return in Manhattan, this time creating Human-Dalek hybrids? Getting a bit silly now.
Daleks attack Earth, as now the last surviving Dalek has teleported back and brought the army with him, because Mr. Moffat won't let them die? Lost interest.
Daleks are now in WWII Britain, being attacked by Spitfires? Even their Skittles reincarnation won't save them from this, surely, and I have a feeling it won't be the last we'll see of them. ¬¬
This is what I'm trying to get across, everytime an older enemy returns, their plot is strung out more and more until they're flogging the metaphorical horse, classic example: the Weeping Angels in Blink, by far my most favourite episode. The Weeping Angels more recent episode? Waste of a couple of hours, as now they can warp into video footage, infect people forcing them to keep their eyes closed (pathetic idea really), and can be fooled by people keeping their eyes closed into thinking that they're in plain sight, despite the fact they were described in Blink as intelligent, brilliantly fast lonely assassins.
Valkyrie wrote:Daleks attack Earth, as now the last surviving Dalek has teleported back and brought the army with him, because Mr. Moffat won't let them die? Lost interest.
That one was still RTD. And to be honest, it doesn't seem that far fetched. Dalek Kan escaped through a emergency temporal shift and landed in the Time War. Makes sense to me.
Valkyrie wrote:Daleks attack Earth, as now the last surviving Dalek has teleported back and brought the army with him, because Mr. Moffat won't let them die? Lost interest.
That one was still RTD. And to be honest, it doesn't seem that far fetched. Dalek Kan escaped through a emergency temporal shift and landed in the Time War. Makes sense to me.
Yeah, I understood it, but it was the fact that they mentioned before that the war was "time-locked" or whatever you called it, that nothing could enter it. They then did it again, using the Master to bring the Daleks and Time Lords back again, despite it being mentioned again that it was "locked".
I think the main problem is cost. I noticed that the last ep was shot in a manner to blatantly obviously reduce costs on the series.
It takes place in a handful of rooms with a minimum of people. If I was the scriptwriter, I'd be pulling my hair out when BBC told him he had to make an ep this cheaply, so I don't really blame Moffat or Smith for this one, I blame the bean counters at BBC.
I have to say, I love the show, but I miss the Tenant and Eccleston days. Moffat is trying way too hard to make everything interwoven and interconnected in the latest series. It feels like he's trying to keep the show episodic, as with most Who episodes, but he desperately wants them to not be episodic. When the episodes are connected, it's really obvious that they are - like how the woman kept showing up throughout the first half of the series. Conversely, the entirety of Eccleston's brief tenure as the Ninth Doctor had just episodes - each one was separate from each other, as each one was just another trip the Doctor took Rose on. Then at the very end, during the finale, they brought them all together with the Bad Wolf plot, and made the audience go "Whoa! I didn't even notice that!".
As much as I like Matt Smith's Doctor, I dislike the style change in episodes.
(If any of this makes no sense whatsoever, it's because I'm typing at 2 AM. I'm not even a hundred percent sure this garbled mess of a post makes even a lick of sense )
This isn't cheap you heatherns, this is what Dr Who is supposed to be like at its best!
Just go back to the Peter Davidson times and before and revel in its wonky cardboard sets and foam rubber monsters, then you might appreciate the large (for the BBC) budgets.
Well, while there certainly is a charme to the more "cheaper" trashy looking episodes, it was actually pretty annoying, when the Doctor threw himself at a steel dor in the 2nd Angels episode and you could see it move.
Yeah cheap sets are part of Doctor Who, some of the reasons it's so quirky and unique is because the scriptwriters have had to get creative with what they had to hand rather than getting whatever their imaginations desired.
On Moffat, I think his biggest problem is getting a bit carried away with the mythos stuff, same as RTD and the fact that River Song is a really unlikeable character who distorts the show in directions I don't like. (Such as the Doctor suddenly tolerating exessive firearms use from her, when he wouldn't tolerate it from anyone else. In fact, he says he loves it at one point.)
River was alright in a couple of episodes (up til the third angel episode she was still okay) but I really started to hate her after that. That's when the whole show seemed to get a bit more giddy and self satisfied, too. It seems to be calming down again now, but it badly needed to.
The major difference I think between Moffats and RTD's stories is, that Davis used time travel only as a set-up for a story, by bringing the Doctor and his companion in certain place where they have to do something. Moffat's stories use time travel as the main plot device.
Da Boss wrote:Opinions on last night's episode?
I reckon it was a good idea, but could have been executed a little less heavy handedly.
Next episode looks disturbing.(As in, that actor back again?)
After watching only the first episode of this current half-series and being completely turned off by it, I sat down hoping to be brought back into the light...
...turns out I prefer sitting in the shadows. It was terrible in my opinion. I'm starting to think half of these scripts were written on April 1st.
corpsesarefun wrote:While I am happy about seeing the cyber-men I audibly groaned when I saw James Corden was returning.
I saw cybermen and was considering watching next week's, I then saw JC and decided that I definately wasn't going to.
Last night became too cringy by far towards the end. But at least
Spoiler:
they got rid of that fething Princess Peach.
What's wrong with James Cordon? While I personally think Gavin & Stacey was incredibly overrated, and World Cup Live was an utter trainwreck, he's a decent actor and can inject a bit more lighthearted fun in to the series. If anything can save Who from going the way of The Simpsons, it's a jolly fat bloke.
I might have just missed the bit where they explained it, but was it ever really explained why the place they were in took the form of a hotel on Earth?
Fezman wrote:I might have just missed the bit where they explained it, but was it ever really explained why the place they were in took the form of a hotel on Earth?
Wrong, it's that all hotels in the universe look like ones on earth. Kinda like time lords, they don't look human, we look like them......right....right???
Honestly tho, if you just watch it for a good 'technobabble timey whimey kinda show' it's great. If you want some grand story being told in individual episodes that over-reach into a awsome plot twist......you are going to be disapointed. Which is kinda sad because the bad-wolf plot twist was great. Although they have all but took out a billboard on high street to say that 'River is important,keep watching and if you are lucky you just might catch a glimpse of her or get a tidbit about her."
It's kinda like 40k if you ask how power armour works and want anyother answer that " It just does accept it and move on, buy more spacemarines' then you are in for a world of hurt and disapointment.
PS I really do miss Tennent and Ecclestone (spelling?)....just something about them clicked with me.
Fezman wrote:I might have just missed the bit where they explained it, but was it ever really explained why the place they were in took the form of a hotel on Earth?
It's psychic concrete. It looks however they want it to look.
Fezman wrote:I might have just missed the bit where they explained it, but was it ever really explained why the place they were in took the form of a hotel on Earth?
It was supposed to take different forms according to whom it snatched, but as it broke down it became stuck on that setting.
Fezman wrote:I might have just missed the bit where they explained it, but was it ever really explained why the place they were in took the form of a hotel on Earth?
It was supposed to take different forms according to whom it snatched, but as it broke down it became stuck on that setting.
Which is also why all the past 'fears' were still hanging around, they hadnt been 'cleaned up'
Still, i for one am happy that (this spoiler is dedicated to Anung Un Rama) :
Spoiler:
a) the space marin...I mean the Cybermen are in the next one.
b) No more pouty ginger or feckless Rory anymore (hopefully)
That’s assuming that they have lined up a new sexy bird as a replacement after Corden is gone. I don't mind him but he is playing a particularly whiney character (version of himself) in Dr Who.
On the subject of a new sexy companion (sorry Alex Kingston fan here), I can see River Song being the next companion and thus gen up on the stuff she is supposed to know?
notprop wrote:Still, i for one am happy that (this spoiler is dedicated to Anung Un Rama) :
Spoiler:
a) the space marin...I mean the Cybermen are in the next one.
b) No more pouty ginger or feckless Rory anymore (hopefully)
That’s assuming that they have lined up a new sexy bird as a replacement after Corden is gone. I don't mind him but he is playing a particularly whiney character (version of himself) in Dr Who.
On the subject of a new sexy companion (sorry Alex Kingston fan here), I can see River Song being the next companion and thus gen up on the stuff she is supposed to know?
Spoiler:
a) Meh, they have come back too many times for my liking, same as the Daleks.
b) Yes! Damn they have got boring!
Not excited for Corben either though, and i hope to high Heaven that they dont bring River in as the companion, i lost interest in her storyline completely....
notprop wrote:Still, i for one am happy that (this spoiler is dedicated to Anung Un Rama) :
Spoiler:
a) the space marin...I mean the Cybermen are in the next one.
b) No more pouty ginger or feckless Rory anymore (hopefully)
That’s assuming that they have lined up a new sexy bird as a replacement after Corden is gone. I don't mind him but he is playing a particularly whiney character (version of himself) in Dr Who.
On the subject of a new sexy companion (sorry Alex Kingston fan here), I can see River Song being the next companion and thus gen up on the stuff she is supposed to know?
Spoiler:
b) Karen Gillan is the only reason why I watch Dr Who anymore (Matty on his own isn't enough of a reason given the poor scripts and often only average supporting actors), so i'll likely switch off until she makes a re-appearence.
Hopefully the end of the series will have the Doctor and River leaving together and then after that they will have parted company again and their adventures in the middle won't be detailed.
Really liked the last one, thought Corden was a funny addition, but the ending was really rushed. Like, really really rushed.
Edit: Now that I have some spare time, I'll explain it.
Spoiler:
The whole thing with the Cman transformation, after the reversal thingy, suddenly it all goes tits up with the Cman and they start exploding, the only explanation being a rushed, poorly thought-of excuse of some rubbish like "emotional feedback crap". It just felt that the writer had 10 mins to finish his work and just added "The Cybermen begin to seize and explode" to his script. Bad idea, bad execution.
Valkyrie wrote:Really liked the last one, thought Corden was a funny addition, but the ending was really rushed. Like, really really rushed.
Edit: Now that I have some spare time, I'll explain it.
[spoiler]The whole thing with the Cman transformation, after the reversal thingy, suddenly it all goes tits up with the Cman and they start exploding, the only explanation being a rushed, poorly thought-of excuse of some rubbish like "emotional feedback crap". It just felt that the writer had 10 mins to finish his work and just added "The Cybermen begin to seize and explode" to his script. Bad idea, bad execution.
I didn't mind. Let's face it, if you're annoyed by "emotional feedback crap" you're watching the wrong show. Or do I have to remind of you all of the season 3 finale.
Valkyrie wrote:Really liked the last one, thought Corden was a funny addition, but the ending was really rushed. Like, really really rushed.
Edit: Now that I have some spare time, I'll explain it.
Spoiler:
The whole thing with the Cman transformation, after the reversal thingy, suddenly it all goes tits up with the Cman and they start exploding, the only explanation being a rushed, poorly thought-of excuse of some rubbish like "emotional feedback crap". It just felt that the writer had 10 mins to finish his work and just added "The Cybermen begin to seize and explode" to his script. Bad idea, bad execution.
I was going to say exactly this.
Indeed.
Also:
Spoiler:
Anyone else notice River wearing an eyepatch and a black dress at the end of the promo for the next episode? Not.Interested.Anymore...
O and wasnt it a bit...well, easy to pt her into the suit? Shes a kick-ass the rest of the time, what changed exactly?
Anung Un Rama wrote:I didn't mind. Let's face it, if you're annoyed by "emotional feedback crap" you're watching the wrong show. Or do I have to remind of you all of the season 3 finale.
You might have to.
I don't recall a single minute of it.
This entire reboot (from Ecclestone forward) has been pretty miss and miss (except for Karen Gillan, whom I'd still watch if she was reading a phonebook) with an occasional fortunate scatter.
Then again, so were the previous incarnations.
Anung Un Rama wrote:I didn't mind. Let's face it, if you're annoyed by "emotional feedback crap" you're watching the wrong show. Or do I have to remind of you all of the season 3 finale.
You might have to.
I don't recall a single minute of it.
The Master had the Doctor age about 1000 years, making him a shrivled, tiny yoda-like creature. But he got better, because Martha got every person on the planet to believe in him at exactlly the same moment all over the world.
I think that beat out the hitler episode as the worse of Matt Smith imo. Really hope the new companion(s) will make up for it. Also imo the least cool plot with cybermen in it from the new Who's. Ive started to like Smith a little but they need to do something to alter the whole river daughter wife arch they have going, just boring and not very time travelerish for me.
Anung Un Rama wrote:I didn't mind. Let's face it, if you're annoyed by "emotional feedback crap" you're watching the wrong show. Or do I have to remind of you all of the season 3 finale.
You might have to.
I don't recall a single minute of it.
The Master had the Doctor age about 1000 years, making him a shrivled, tiny yoda-like creature. But he got better, because Martha got every person on the planet to believe in him at exactlly the same moment all over the world.
The whole shrivelled Doctor thing was awful if you ask me. Just like the regenerated Master. Too maniacal, and nowhere near enough charisma to convince. Better in the Tennant send offs though!
As to this season's finale, I'm expecting big, big things. I mean I think it's clear to all the Doctor doesn't in fact die, as to do so simply traps the series in a loop...Doctor dies, back to the Diner, rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat. But if they just do a deus ex, I'll be disappointed.
Now, please note what the Doctor wore in 'Let's Kill Hitler'. Top hat and tails. And what did he wear to Pond's wedding? Top Hat and Tails..... as he said, 'you do a lot in xx minutes'. I think it was a bit of a set up. Knowing he was going to actually properly die, he tricks River into giving him more Regenerations...a sort of back up....
Valkyrie wrote:Really liked the last one, thought Corden was a funny addition, but the ending was really rushed. Like, really really rushed.
Edit: Now that I have some spare time, I'll explain it.
Spoiler:
The whole thing with the Cman transformation, after the reversal thingy, suddenly it all goes tits up with the Cman and they start exploding, the only explanation being a rushed, poorly thought-of excuse of some rubbish like "emotional feedback crap". It just felt that the writer had 10 mins to finish his work and just added "The Cybermen begin to seize and explode" to his script. Bad idea, bad execution.
Spoiler:
This. It just felt like it was cooked up at 4:55pm on a Friday. "Right, we need a way to end this episode clean so we can have the finale the week after." "Power of love?" "Boom, let's go home."
Inhibitor chip is there because of the trauma of becoming a Cyberman. Fatty Corden was being made into Cyber Controller, linked to all the Cybermen. His chip blows, and overwhelms those slaved to him.... Either that or they couldn't get the bodysuit on around his lardy gut.
Mystery: They just keep the brains, you can't have a fat cyberman. But Aung is right. They also (in the old series) defeated the cybermen using emotions in combination with a "Cerebraton Mentor"
Yes, but the use of emotions dont cause 80's-style head popping explosions when the Cybermen were defeated with emotions before did they?
Anung, the leader of Torchwood overrode her programming with the power of her duty....is that technically emotion? (i know she cries a swell, but its her duty to Queen and Country that spur her on past the Cyberman programming)
Anung Un Rama wrote:It wasn't the first time the emotional inhibitor failed. The Torchwood lady in the season 2 finale managed to overpower it as well.
I'm fairly sure that their heads exploded in "The Rise of the Cybermen" and "The Age of Steel" in Tennant's first season.
Anung Un Rama wrote:It wasn't the first time the emotional inhibitor failed. The Torchwood lady in the season 2 finale managed to overpower it as well.
I'm fairly sure that their heads exploded in "The Rise of the Cybermen" and "The Age of Steel" in Tennant's first season.
But they also shut of their emotional inhibitors, which made them cry out in agony over all the people they killed.
purplefood wrote:What's the problem with James Corden?
He is a big fat, unfunny, talentless triple chinned pie monster, and I would rather get stuck in a lift with Fred West than spend ten seconds in his company.
He has battled an insane half-human, half-flesh mutant called Jennifer, crash-landed in Nazi Germany and met up with his old foes the Cybermen in the series so far.
But on Saturday night the Doctor will take time off from saving the Earth – and himself – to pay tribute to one of the show's most popular actors, Nicholas Courtney, who died this year after playing the Doctor's companion, Brigadier Alistair Lethbridge-Stewart, over a period of more than 40 years.
In The Wedding of River Song, the 13th and final episode of the current series, the Doctor – played by Matt Smith – learns of the death of his former colleague in a phone call from the nursing home where the fictional brigadier spent his last days.
"I'm afraid Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart passed away a few months ago," the nurse tells the Doctor. "It was very peaceful. Talked a lot about you, if that's any comfort. Always made us pour an extra brandy in case you came round one of these days."
The Doctor takes a few moments to compose himself as his mind turns towards his own fate – a climax that promises to reveal the identity of the astronaut seen shooting the Doctor in episode one of the series.
Doctor Who's executive producer, Steven Moffat, said of the decision to include the tribute to Courtney's character: "In a story about the Doctor going to his death, it seemed right and proper to acknowledge one of the greatest losses Doctor Who has endured."
Courtney made his first Doctor Who appearance in 1965 opposite William Hartnell, as the doomed space security agent Bret Vyon, but returned three years later to play Lethbridge-Stewart, when the Doctor was played by Patrick Troughton.
In a memorable moment in the 1971 story The Daemons he spots a murderous gargoyle figure and instructs a subordinate: "Jenkins – chap with wings there, five rounds rapid!"
Courtney made regular appearances alongside subsequent Doctors Jon Pertwee, Tom Baker, Peter Davison and Sylvester McCoy until 1989, when the show was cancelled by the BBC.
After its revival in 2005, viewers were told his character was in Peru until he was revived again for The Sarah Jane Adventures, a Doctor Who spinoff for the CBBC children's channel in 2008.
Courtney died after a long illness at the age of 81. Elisabeth Sladen, who played Sarah Jane Smith, died in April. The final series of her Sarah Jane Adventures begins on Monday on CBBC.
The BBC will be hoping that Saturday's finale boosts the viewing figures for the main series, which so far has performed well. According to the consolidated overnight ratings, this series is averaging 7.6 million viewers an episode, up on last year's average of 7.3 million.
There has been a generally good critical reaction to the series, the sixth since Doctor Who returned in 2005 and which ran for seven episodes with a mid-season finale before a run of six.
The Guardian's Doctor Who expert, Dan Martin, said that episode 10, The Girl Who Waited, was "a damn near-perfect episode".
Smith has signed up for a third series and Christmas special, and there has been speculation that he will appear in a fourth series in 2013, marking the 50th anniversary.
That last episode was predictable. I figured out that
Spoiler:
the android that could change shape would take the doctors place when he was first shown on the episode. The first question, the question that can never be answered, was a bit naff. Doctor who? I was expecting a little bit more than that.
woodbok wrote:That last episode was predictable. I figured out that
Spoiler:
the android that could change shape would take the doctors place when he was first shown on the episode. The first question, the question that can never be answered, was a bit naff. Doctor who? I was expecting a little bit more than that.
It was better than the second and third Tennant finales, but it wasn't by any means amazing. Just about watchable and not too cringeworthy.
I liked what he said at the end though, about loud and noisy. I agree.
Last episode, pretty good, better than the past few finales, but a bit odd in some places:
Spoiler:
1: What was that whole deal with the "psychic beacon"? It seemed they explained it, then forgot about it completly. You could have removed it entirely from the plot, and nothing would have changed.
2: The question that is described as something like "The one question that can never be answered, the impossible question that silence will fall when the question is asked?", and all they can come up with is "Doctor Who?". Really? It would have been a much more exciting plot if he just walked away when face-box asked him about it.
3: They just had to do the whole "saving the world through love and a kiss" thing again, didn't they?
Now don't get me wrong, reading through my previous posts on this thread you may thing I hate Doc Who. I rather liked this one, just decided I'd bring up some things about the past one which could be discussed.
Valkyrie:
1. Yeah, seems like they were trying to make up for "The Pandorica Opens" there to some amount. I thought it was pretty cheesy.
2. Totally agreed.
3. To be fair, they haven't saved the world by that particular method too often, and it was slightly better than the usual 30 seconds of excited Doctor technobabble we used to get.
Da Boss wrote:Valkyrie:
1. Yeah, seems like they were trying to make up for "The Pandorica Opens" there to some amount. I thought it was pretty cheesy.
2. Totally agreed.
3. To be fair, they haven't saved the world by that particular method too often, and it was slightly better than the usual 30 seconds of excited Doctor technobabble we used to get.
3: Well it seemed like a repeat of the Ecclestone finale, granted that was some time ago, but it seems like anything can be solved with the power of a kiss, which we all know is absolute bollocks.
It really all came back together. And people were complaining about the Robot when it showed up in Let's kill Hitler. Yes, the question was a bit weird, but apart from that I really liked the finale.
woodbok wrote:The question has already been asked.
Exactly my feeling, it pretty much invalidates the entirety of next season..... balls...
Other than that, it was fairly lukewarm for me (yes, its taken me 2 days to watch it, you can tell how enthused i was about it ).
Liked Rory's 'hardcase' bit,......and how he almost mucked it up and had to be saved by Amy, priceless!
Saw the robot bit coming a mile away
Definitely liking the idea of a 'behind the scenes' Doctor, back to how he used to be (i think), before he got 'noticed' all the time. You know, like when noone knew who he was and he had to blag his way in everywhere, i liked that!
And i thought the nod to the old actor was a beautiful touch, had to google the name though...
At the begining of serie 5, he was behind Amy, you know ? It was like Amy was the Doctor's companion, and Rory was Amy's companion.
And then, he began to say things like "Do you really want me to repeat my question ?" or (spoiler last episode of the 6th serie)
Spoiler:
"They already activated it ma'am"
.
And it really is a good expand(?), growing(?) of the character.
I've got a broad picture of the next 14 [episodes]."
"...now I'm thinking, 'We had more public interest from Let's Kill Hitler - just those three words - than any trailer we've ever done, so let's do a series like that, where we really slut it up.'
"That's what I've been saying in my writers' briefings just this week: 'Write it like a movie poster. Let's do big, huge mad ideas.'
notprop wrote:I just saw that Christmas Episode trailer on the Children in Need show.
Looks like a spin on The Lion, The Witch and the wardrobe, at least the country house and visit to the snowy woods anyway.
No sign of any other recurring characters or badguys.
It also pretty cool. A reason to look forward to Chrimbo at last!
It look interesting, but I won't be holding my breath considering how disappointing this last series has been.
As for the finale.. I think that would be one of, if not the worst one yet. The archetype and idea was good, the execution poor - pretty much the only fault of this show nowadays.
Karen Gillan and Arthur Darvill - who play Doctor Who companions Amy Pond and Rory - are to leave the show during the next series.
Doctor Who boss Steven Moffat made the announcement at a screening of the Christmas episode at BBC TV Centre in London.
"The final days of the Ponds are coming," Moffat said.
"I'm not telling you when or how, but that story is going to come to a heartbreaking end."
He said the Doctor, played by Matt Smith, was going to meet "a new friend". It is believed that role has not yet been cast.
On the departure of Gillan and Darvill, Matt Smith said: "We had the most incredible journey. We took over the show and we've really had to hold hands and help each other through it.
"So it's very disappointing, but one has to remember that this show is about change and regeneration, and that's what galvanizes it and pushes it forwards."
The Christmas Day special - titled The Doctor, The Widow and The Wardrobe - sees the Time Lord go on an adventure with Madge Arwell (Claire Skinner) and her two children, Lily and Cyril, when they are evacuated from London to Dorset during World War II.
and some general news..
"This year, we used a lot of cliffhangers and mysteries to pull people through, but then I remember the moment, at the end of A Good Man Goes to War, when we put up the title Let's Kill Hitler. That was so exciting. I'm thinking, ‘Can we do that every week?' You can sod off with poetic understatement. I want slutty titles and movie-poster plots. I want big pictures and straplines. The first episode I'm writing is called [Spoiler] of the [Spoilers]. And it'll feel a bit like Die Hard, that first episode. Everyone is expecting us to do another year like 2011. You're not going to get that at all. You're going to get the biggest, maddest set of episodes ever."
So who else wasn't disappointed by the episode because they didn't have high expectations anyway?
In fact if they'd simply given Bill Bailey more screentime then the episode would've improved... hell the few minutes he was in it were probably the best.
I didn't like it because the ending was ridiculously smaltzy, with another "YOU'VE GOT TO FEEEEL IT!" speech, some cringeworthy acting, and nothing particularly interesting happening. I just felt that the concept was good, but the script was very weak, especially the dialogue.
Da Boss wrote:I didn't like it because the ending was ridiculously smaltzy, with another "YOU'VE GOT TO FEEEEL IT!" speech, some cringeworthy acting, and nothing particularly interesting happening. I just felt that the concept was good, but the script was very weak, especially the dialogue.
At the beginning where the Doctor kept repeating "I know!" was another instance of terrible dialogue. I couldn't help but be reminded of the Friday lyric "I've got it, you've got it" that has no explanation of what 'it' is.
Darkvoidof40k wrote:So who else wasn't disappointed by the episode because they didn't have high expectations anyway?
In fact if they'd simply given Bill Bailey more screentime then the episode would've improved... hell the few minutes he was in it were probably the best.
Yep gotta agree here, although i was stupidly optimistic of a fun ride, just felt very rushed and formulaic - agreed that Bill Bailey was good, kept expecting Armstrong to burst into the RAF teen character... Could have made for a better episode...
Da Boss wrote:I didn't like it because the ending was ridiculously smaltzy, with another "YOU'VE GOT TO FEEEEL IT!" speech, some cringeworthy acting, and nothing particularly interesting happening. I just felt that the concept was good, but the script was very weak, especially the dialogue.
At the beginning where the Doctor kept repeating "I know!" was another instance of terrible dialogue. I couldn't help but be reminded of the Friday lyric "I've got it, you've got it" that has no explanation of what 'it' is.
Repetition of small phrases like this are an important part of the Doctor's character, the tenth Doctor repeated "What?" for a good deal of his dialogue ( pretty much a catch phrase). It's all got a purpose.
Da Boss wrote:I didn't like it because the ending was ridiculously smaltzy, with another "YOU'VE GOT TO FEEEEL IT!" speech, some cringeworthy acting, and nothing particularly interesting happening. I just felt that the concept was good, but the script was very weak, especially the dialogue.
At the beginning where the Doctor kept repeating "I know!" was another instance of terrible dialogue. I couldn't help but be reminded of the Friday lyric "I've got it, you've got it" that has no explanation of what 'it' is.
Repetition of small phrases like this are an important part of the Doctor's character, the tenth Doctor repeated "What?" for a good deal of his dialogue ( pretty much a catch phrase). It's all got a purpose.
An American can see the subtlty behind dialogue while a British person can't...what is the world coming to?
The dialogue in Doctor Who is generally very good. It can be a bit soppy, but Matt Smith has the charisma to stop it being cringeworthy.
A disturbing trend I've noticed in recent episodes is a leaning to complete nonsense (trees grow a ship that can travel through time using a housewife as pilot and power? o-o) with the sole reason behind any of it being 'because it does that'
A disturbing trend I've noticed in recent episodes is a leaning to complete nonsense (trees grow a ship that can travel through time using a housewife as pilot and power? o-o) with the sole reason behind any of it being 'because it does that'
I believe the trees were able to predict their doom and the coming of a savior, they engineered the craft for the purpose of escaping. It all lined up to allow the doctor and the others to go back to the past.
Someone in the past told them a housewife and the doctor would appear, so they grew a spaceship, a spaceship powered by them inhabiting a mother, which allowed her to fly through time, open a time vortex for her husband etc, etc, etc.
I followed the ep, but the Mothership among other things is part of an evergrowing list of truly absurd things that are pretty much just big 'wait, what?'s
I still enjoy the show, it's just leaning more towards silly again.
Da Boss wrote:I didn't like it because the ending was ridiculously smaltzy, with another "YOU'VE GOT TO FEEEEL IT!" speech, some cringeworthy acting, and nothing particularly interesting happening. I just felt that the concept was good, but the script was very weak, especially the dialogue.
At the beginning where the Doctor kept repeating "I know!" was another instance of terrible dialogue. I couldn't help but be reminded of the Friday lyric "I've got it, you've got it" that has no explanation of what 'it' is.
Repetition of small phrases like this are an important part of the Doctor's character, the tenth Doctor repeated "What?" for a good deal of his dialogue ( pretty much a catch phrase). It's all got a purpose.
Yes, but at least that made sense. With the repetition of "I know".. it just didn't really tell us anything. Admittedly, the TMG is blatantly of a younger age than myself ever since the last regeneration, so it isn't surprising I'm not particularly enjoying it as much as I used to.
As Ovion said, there really isn't enough explanation of.. well, most things in the episodes anymore. I mean sure, Doctor Who has always had the wacky and the weird, but that seems to be all we are getting now. They're just writing up hasty, unrefined episodes that generally don't satisfy many avid Doctor Who fans, simply because "the kids will like it."
I believe that's enough ranting for now, carry on.
It's only saving grace was the return of the Pond at the end. (ok, AND the Bill Bailey forest ranger guy.) Everything else was very skippable.
Still, not really a Dr Who fan. Stopped watching it after Pertwee (had more important school stuff during the Tom Baker years - and watching some of those eps now, I'm quite glad I did).
I thought the bright light was metaphoric for Stephen Moffat's nether regions and the light that he believes emanates from it. (His writing has been increasingly less taut the further he gets from "Coupling" in years.).
The dad deserved to die. He was probably on his way home from fire bombing Hamburg or levelling Dresden.
Agree with the whole silly deus ex machina stuff that seems to now be prevalent in the show. It kinda started with the end of season three, that silly psychic thing that made the doctor float and stop being gollum.
See, they at least thought that through. It wasn't machina-ey at all as they explained it and took a year or more setting it up. Very little of tennants run was out and out stupid, a little goofy here and there but they mostly thought it through.
Even smiths first and second seasons were mostly tied together and thought through to a degree though it's had its idiocy too, but I think since demons run its got progressively sillier, and this last ep was pretty much just ludicrous.
Doctor Who is basically a children's show and the Christmas Specials are supposed to be holiday time fun not an in-depth examination of the space time continuum.
I know it's meant to be a bit of silly fun, and I still enjoy the show, just elements need to be toned down a bit.
Plus the christmas eps especially seem to ignore continuity (such as touching a past version of yourself = a nono, then the Doctor encourages the young and old weather controller dude in last years special)
Da Boss wrote:I didn't like it because the ending was ridiculously smaltzy, with another "YOU'VE GOT TO FEEEEL IT!" speech, some cringeworthy acting, and nothing particularly interesting happening. I just felt that the concept was good, but the script was very weak, especially the dialogue.
At the beginning where the Doctor kept repeating "I know!" was another instance of terrible dialogue. I couldn't help but be reminded of the Friday lyric "I've got it, you've got it" that has no explanation of what 'it' is.
Repetition of small phrases like this are an important part of the Doctor's character, the tenth Doctor repeated "What?" for a good deal of his dialogue ( pretty much a catch phrase). It's all got a purpose.
Yes, but at least that made sense. With the repetition of "I know".. it just didn't really tell us anything. Admittedly, the TMG is blatantly of a younger age than myself ever since the last regeneration, so it isn't surprising I'm not particularly enjoying it as much as I used to.
As Ovion said, there really isn't enough explanation of.. well, most things in the episodes anymore. I mean sure, Doctor Who has always had the wacky and the weird, but that seems to be all we are getting now. They're just writing up hasty, unrefined episodes that generally don't satisfy many avid Doctor Who fans, simply because "the kids will like it."
I believe that's enough ranting for now, carry on.
I believe that him repeating "I know" was to pre-empt the kids saying something along the lines of "Thats so cool".
Rather than
Child: That is so cool!
Doctor: I know.
(repeat for each room)
Kilkrazy wrote:I think you guys are taking things too seriously.
Doctor Who is basically a children's show and the Christmas Specials are supposed to be holiday time fun not an in-depth examination of the space time continuum.
Though you have a point, I would make the counter-argument that, as evidenced by 'Talons of Weng-Chiang' and 'The Robots of Death', Doctor Who stories can successfully work on more than one level, providing suspense and horror to engage an adult audience as well as an adventurous runaround for the kids. Indeed it was the success which the show achieved doing just that back in the 1970s which made it the valuable commercial property it is now...
Kilkrazy wrote:I think you guys are taking things too seriously.
Doctor Who is basically a children's show and the Christmas Specials are supposed to be holiday time fun not an in-depth examination of the space time continuum.
Though you have a point, I would make the counter-argument that, as evidenced by 'Talons of Weng-Chiang' and 'The Robots of Death', Doctor Who stories can successfully work on more than one level, providing suspense and horror to engage an adult audience as well as an adventurous runaround for the kids. Indeed it was the success which the show achieved doing just that back in the 1970s which made it the valuable commercial property it is now...
That is absolutely true, however I would counter-argue that the Christmas specials are about "the Christmas Spirit", fun, and a happy ending, rather than the normal run of episodes.
Kilkrazy wrote:I think you guys are taking things too seriously.
Doctor Who is basically a children's show and the Christmas Specials are supposed to be holiday time fun not an in-depth examination of the space time continuum.
Though you have a point, I would make the counter-argument that, as evidenced by 'Talons of Weng-Chiang' and 'The Robots of Death', Doctor Who stories can successfully work on more than one level, providing suspense and horror to engage an adult audience as well as an adventurous runaround for the kids. Indeed it was the success which the show achieved doing just that back in the 1970s which made it the valuable commercial property it is now...
That is absolutely true, however I would counter-argue that the Christmas specials are about "the Christmas Spirit", fun, and a happy ending, rather than the normal run of episodes.
That is quite true enough, and ordinarily I'd agree - I also think my judgement would have been less harsh had it not been preceded by a season of similarly slick, shallow stories, saccharine characterisation and cop-out endings.
This year's Christmas special, however, vexed me in particular because the plot borrowed so heavily from classic war film 'A Matter of Life and Death', but gave it a cheapening, cost-free happy ending. The fan-service reference to the Caves of Androzani also irked by being throwaway to the point of contemptuousness (and also by reminding me that I could instead have been watching a vastly better Who story made on a hundredth of the budget).
Ah well, at least Sherlock was decent. I shall go and watch some Blake's 7 to cheer myself up...
It's almost time. New monsters are becoming real, old friends are returning to Cardiff and somewhere in Wales, a tweed jacket is being taken from its hanger and lovingly dusted off. It can only mean one thing... Filming on the new series of Doctor Who begins on 20 February, 2012!
The first director to shout 'action' will be the award-winning Saul Metzstein whose previous credits include Micro Men (starring Alexander Armstrong and Martin Freeman), the critically acclaimed Late Night Shopping and BBC Wales' Upstairs Downstairs. For the very first time, Doctor Who will be produced at the new BBC Roath Lock Studios in Cardiff, which officially open in March. The production team includes Steven Moffat (Executive Producer and lead writer), Caroline Skinner (Executive Producer) and Marcus Wilson (Producer).
The new series will see Matt Smith return as the Doctor in what Steven Moffat has described as 'the biggest, the best and the most ambitious season we've ever made'. Karen Gillan (Amy) and Arthur Darvill (Rory) are both back, for what will be their final voyage with the Doctor - a thrilling rollercoaster ride which will culminate in a heart-breaking farewell to the Ponds. But there will be more shocks, surprises and adventures to come when the Doctor meets a new friend, in the last very place he could ever have expected...
And yes! We've been promised the return of some old monsters, but some new and terrifying ones lie in wait for the Doctor...
We'll be bringing you all the news about the incredible new series as it emerges, so stay tuned for some big surprises!
Filming on the next series of Doctor Who is set to kick off on the 20th of February, a nice long lead on the show’s autumn premiere date. With pre-production underway, it’s safe to assume that the team will have some scripts in hand, and while the full roster of scribes for the season has yet to be revealed, we can name three of them.
Besides Steven Moffat, which I suppose was almost too obvious to trouble you with, returning writers will include Toby Whithouse and Chris Chibnall, with the latter creating a story that will need a huge set – apparently one of the biggest in the show’s history.
Those guys were put in the frame by Doctor Who Magazine, but it’s SFX that got the juicier info. Whithouse told the magazine, during their Weekender jolly, that his episode is intended to come third in the series and will be “one of the last” Amy and Rory stories.
But not the last, as Moffat is writing that episode himself. It’s not surprising.
He was working on that episode when he gave an interview to The University Observer:
I’m writing that right now, the big Rory and Amy heartbreaking finale. It will be quite heartbreaking. I think you’ll be in trouble watching it.
It’s true – he has a way of plucking the heart strings that Moffat, and when you’d least expect it at times, too. I know Rich has shed bucket loads of tears over Press Gang, and Jane’s scene with Steve in the kitchen in the last episode of Coupling cut me quite deeply as well.
Kilkrazy wrote:I think you guys are taking things too seriously.
Doctor Who is basically a children's show and the Christmas Specials are supposed to be holiday time fun not an in-depth examination of the space time continuum.
It's not a continuum it's a big ball of timey wimey stuff!
Anung Un Rama wrote:I wish they wouldn't keep talking about how heartbreaking the last adventure with the Ponds will be.
Now if we could just get rid of Smith.... keep the ponds, dump smith and make him regenerate = a merry christmas for all =o]
I think I could live with Smith if they'd just dump the crappy script writing and story arcs. I don't mind all the happy bits, the fun bits and all that but seriously, every good show needs some grimdark. Everyone in this show is just far too happy, and we can't have that; we're Englishmen for crying out loud!
He used a gun a bit - as a last resort against Daleks mostly from what I remember.
He did blow a few things up though, but what doctors haven't? Eccleson used guns a few times, Tennant also used a gun on occasion, hell the pivotal moment at the end of Tennants stint pretty much revolved around that service revolver. And numerous classic Doctors have used guns.
Tom Baker used a rifle, Davison prided himself on being a crack shot, there's probably more but these are simply what springs to mind.
In fact, I think of the 3 latest seasons, I think smith has used the least amount of firearms overall.
Also:
The music and title leaves a bit to be desired, but it makes a point and it was just the first I found on youtube.
I thought he doesn't like guns because they are first resort for most who use them. In the sontaran invasion 2 parter he doesn't reject the colonel giving advance guns, but he doesn't take one.
Pretty much. While it isn't coverd officially, we can safely assume that it was the 8th "movie doctor" who was in the time war and regenerated into 9 sometime during it.
Aduro wrote:To be honest I can barely remember what he was like.
He liked guns and such.
No he didn't.
The entire point of the doctor is that he doesn't like guns.
It was an over-simplification.
The 9th Doctor was a lot more aggressive than his predecessors and successors. Rose helped Eccleston become Tennant in the end; although I realise that the regeneration created an entirely new personality, his values and methods had been changed by Rose, which was what was so important about the "gun loving" Eccelston Doctor. I use that expression as a metaphor for his overall role in terms of the transition from 9th to 10th and role in the overarching storyline.
I’d also love for a something focusing on the Time War although I would personally prefer a big budget movie or a mini series.
I doubt they would ever cover the Time War though as not even the writers know what the #%@$ took place during the time war considering all prior coverage of the Time War has solely consisted of completely random things “Nightmare Child” and “Fall of Arcadia”.
Personally I don’t like the “less we know the better” avenue. I’d rather something be fleshed out so that the story could move onto a something new. I dislike carrot dangling of any kind.
As it stands now, time war is just a random thing used by the writers to make the Doctor’s background seem more dramatic (as well as a convenient tool to fix continuity errors).
Jenna Louise Coleman, former Emmerdale Farm actress, co-star of Julian Fellowes’ upcoming Titanic miniseries and bit-part player in Captain America: The First Avenger.
My assumption is that with 6 episodes this year and 8 next year it is being changed in format for american TV ratings periods, with the winter break in the middle.
1 episode in 'The old west', one involving snow/daleks, one with what looks to be a pharoh and they are filming an episode set primarily in New York (not on the video)
The stony beach they run along in clip looks very like the same place for the outdoors scenes for the Weeping Angels double episode in series 5.
The crap US TV spews and called sci-fi and fantasy is almost universally terrible (there are exceptions). The new series (2005 on) of the Doctor is at least occasionally well written and the actors are fair to good, so that's a plus.
I've been dialing in to British and Japanese sci-fi. For Fantasy, switch 'Japanese' to 'Asia in general'. (I'm told Mexican soap operas are worth a look, but I've never really been into soaps).
I don't remember what year Firefly aired, but I thought that V (reimagined), BSG (reimagined), and Caprica were at least decent and those are all recent shows.
Amaya wrote:I don't remember what year Firefly aired, but I thought that V (reimagined), BSG (reimagined), and Caprica were at least decent and those are all recent shows.
Firefly was also cancelled very rapidly (leaving much joking about TV executives and talent biting them on the ass). V was a remake. BSG was a remake that was good to start with, but actually pretty awful as it dragged on. Caprica.... I won't even talk about Caprica. Sarah Conner Chronicles had it's moments, but, again, got canned (notice a trend?). And, agin, I did point out there were exceptions. Not many, however.
Most current devotees of doctor who >30 years old became fans in the 80's with reruns of the 3rd and 4th doctors. Relatively well written stories of sci/fi fantasy with villains, heroes and leela running around in leather.
It even had a robot dog that shot lasers from its nose!
The longevity of the show was that it could be put anywhere and anywhen, rather than being set at a place and time like normal sci-fi shows.
The newer doctor who has had more money put into it (especially the last 3 seasons and it REALLY shows) and has been aimed at adults more than teens/kids (whilst maintianing a 'g' rating).
My 3yo son watches it with me, an 8yo girl was talking about it today at my practice, and the doctor accross the hall watches the episodes (Every weeknight we get an episode, in order from the start of 9th Dr, and they have just started agin last night after the full run through in the last few months)
The current doctor is now my favorite thanks to great scripts, excellent production work and going out on location, rather than some quarry in Wales.
Amaya wrote:Not flaming, but I have never understood the appeal of Dr. Who.
Could someone explain why you like the show and what it is exactly that you enjoy about it? I am honestly interested in your opinions.
It's a very British programme. The whole ethos is about of positive values of empathy, firm resolve, friendliness, knowing what's right but breaking the rules when needed, and the ability to muddle through all kinds of difficulties.
For instance there is an episode where they arrive on some weird space station, and the Doctor warns Amy to not get involved with the locals. He immediately starts helping a young girl whom he sees crying for her lost brother. Because the Doctor always makes an exception to help lost children.
Doctor Who himself kind of represents all the best qualities of the traditional British gentleman. Or to describe him another way, he is "Space Gandalf", who pulls ordinary people into adventures where they find themselves to be extraordinary, all in the service of Good against Evil.
For people like me who have been watching it all our lives, there is nostalgia and continuity, too.
Amaya wrote:Not flaming, but I have never understood the appeal of Dr. Who.
Could someone explain why you like the show and what it is exactly that you enjoy about it? I am honestly interested in your opinions.
It's a very British programme. The whole ethos is about of positive values of empathy, firm resolve, friendliness, knowing what's right but breaking the rules when needed, and the ability to muddle through all kinds of difficulties.
For instance there is an episode where they arrive on some weird space station, and the Doctor warns Amy to not get involved with the locals. He immediately starts helping a young girl whom he sees crying for her lost brother. Because the Doctor always makes an exception to help lost children.
Doctor Who himself kind of represents all the best qualities of the traditional British gentleman. Or to describe him another way, he is "Space Gandalf", who pulls ordinary people into adventures where they find themselves to be extraordinary, all in the service of Good against Evil.
For people like me who have been watching it all our lives, there is nostalgia and continuity, too.
It did always strike me as being a distinctly British show, but I suppose American shows also appear distinctly American to most of the world. I appreciate the way you described, the meaning of the message is more important than the plot in this case. I'll probably never get into it, but I can at least see the appeal.
I personally liked the oher two recent doctors more than the curent one. It does noes not need to be utter grimdark, but not all happy flappy like that one now. Even more so with that episode with the present, and the tree people, and the acid rain, and the mother somehow driving the tripod thing. Seriously though, that episode was aweful.
TheRobotLol wrote:Even more so with that episode with the present, and the tree people, and the acid rain, and the mother somehow driving the tripod thing. Seriously though, that episode was aweful.
Has anyone ever played the BBC Adventure Games? I'm currently biting my way through The Eternity Clock for PS3 and was wondering how other DW games have fared so far.
TheRobotLol wrote:I personally liked the oher two recent doctors more than the curent one. It does noes not need to be utter grimdark, but not all happy flappy like that one now. Even more so with that episode with the present, and the tree people, and the acid rain, and the mother somehow driving the tripod thing. Seriously though, that episode was aweful.
Anung Un Rama wrote:Has anyone ever played the BBC Adventure Games? I'm currently biting my way through The Eternity Clock for PS3 and was wondering how other DW games have fared so far.
I played through "The Gunpowder Plot" which was fun, though there I did get caught by a game-breaking glitch, which wasn't itself too bad, because the bit that I had to re-play was enjoyable the second time round as well. The story was quite good, it managed to reel in more than one type of bad guy, and the puzzles were fun.
Doctor Who’s Day Roundup: ‘Star Trek: TNG’ Crossover Comic to Hit Stores
"The Eleventh Doctor and Captain Jean-Luc Picard: together at last. That’s right, the first issue of IDW Publishing’s Doctor Who/Star Trek crossover comic — titled Star Trek: The Next Generation/Doctor Who: Assimilation2 — hits stores May 30."
Constantly resurrecting villains cheapens them. Most of the interesting baddies from the classic Who - Sutekh, Scaroth, the Zygons, those horrible giant maggots - were one-offs. The new Who is, in my opinion, overly self-referential and reliant upon exhuming classic material.
In what fandom commonly decrees to be Who's golden age, Tom Baker's first three years (1975 - 1977), the Daleks, the Cybermen and the Master appeared only once each. (In the Daleks' case, in a story which retconned their origins, in the Master's case in a story which retconned the Time Lords, and, in the case of the Cybermen, in a story which is generally regarded as the only dud of those three seasons - it really is quite terrible.)
Edit: Unless it's the Ice Warriors, I'd like to see them again.
Howard A Treesong wrote:I'd like the see the Ice Warriors again, but not if they give them to Chris Chibnall to completely feth up like he did with the Silurians.
Chibnall is indeed a pretty terrible writer. How he was ever employed again after 'Cyberwoman' is a mystery to me.
I know, right?! This is exactly the kind of stuff I love Doctor Who for. That and Daleks. And come on, we had a full season with ONE Dalek. Well, half of it. And it looks like we get the RTD Daleks back, instead of the Mighy Morphing color-coded ones. I am so hyped!
Howard A Treesong wrote:I'd like the see the Ice Warriors again, but not if they give them to Chris Chibnall to completely feth up like he did with the Silurians.
You should read Abnett's Xmas Dr. Who novel from last year then.
Bloody great, read it all in one go in one evening.
SO bored of daleks now, theres been too many (sorry Anung).
Dinosaurs look cool, liking the Weeping Angels (but they are becoming over-used now as well), God only knows what the rest of it means. Im willing to give it a shot, but im disappointed
I know, right?! This is exactly the kind of stuff I love Doctor Who for. That and Daleks. And come on, we had a full season with ONE Dalek. Well, half of it. And it looks like we get the RTD Daleks back, instead of the Mighy Morphing color-coded ones. I am so hyped!
The story is, however, the work of the aforementioned Mr Chibnall, and if there's a man who could cock up dinosaurs on a spaceship, it's him.
reds8n wrote:
Howard A Treesong wrote:I'd like the see the Ice Warriors again, but not if they give them to Chris Chibnall to completely feth up like he did with the Silurians.
You should read Abnett's Xmas Dr. Who novel from last year then.
So I should, long train journey to London next week.
Daleks are overused and the weeping angels were only good the first time. On the 7th me and the girl are off to Cardiff to do the Dr Who Experience tour thing, should be fun
I'm ok with weeping angels as long as they undo the damage done to them in the series 5 episodes. The angels 'laughing', the grinding sounds when they moved and the stupid 'image of an angel becames an angel' stuff was awful.
I thought the dead guy speaking thing was quite creepy and worked nicely with the angel theme, I'd like to see more of that kind of thing.
Episode 1: Asylum Of The Daleks – Kidnapped by his oldest foe, the Doctor is forced on an impossible mission – to a place even the Daleks are too terrified to enter… the Asylum. A planetary prison confining the most terrifying and insane of their kind, the Doctor and the Ponds must find an escape route. But with Amy and Rory’s relationship in meltdown, and an army of mad Daleks closing in, it is up to the Doctor to save their lives, as well as the Pond’s marriage. Written by Steven Moffat and directed by Nick Hurran.
Episode 2: Dinosaurs On A Spaceship - An unmanned spaceship hurtles towards certain destruction – unless the Doctor can save it, and its impossible cargo… of dinosaurs! By his side a ragtag gang of adventurers; a big game hunter, an Egyptian Queen and a surprised member of the Pond family. But little does the Doctor know there is someone else onboard who will stop at nothing to keep hold of his precious, prehistoric cargo. Written by Chris Chibnall and directed by Saul Metzstein.
Episode 3: A Town Called Mercy – The Doctor gets a Stetson (and a gun!), and finds himself the reluctant Sheriff of a Western town under siege by a relentless cyborg, who goes by the name of the Gunslinger. But who is he and what does he want? The answer seems to lie with the mysterious, Kahler-Jex, an alien doctor (yes another one!) whose initial appearance is hiding a dark secret. Written by Toby Whithouse and directed by Saul Metzstein.
Episode 4: The Power of Three – Written by Chris Chibnall and directed by Douglas MacKinnon.
Episode 5: The Angels Take Manhattan – Written by Steven Moffat and directed by Nick Hurran.
If there's one thing I like, it's Daleks. Not a fan of any of their appearances during the 11th's parade, but the idea of a prison for mad Daleks sounds.. comical, at least.
I just fear they may have done what they did before; put all the best scenes in the trailer to hide the disappointment that looms.
Worth a look at least, always wondered about how they remember what they were doing when they left (hell, im 'young' and i often forget what i was doing when i leave a room!)
Also reds8n, i want to say a quick thank you for continuing to post updates (read: doing all the legwork ), much appreciated.
Every story has a beginning, a middle, and an end... But not always in that order. Watch the world-exclusive, just-released BBC America trailer for the all-new season of 'Doctor Who,' premiering Saturday, September 1 at 9/8c. Join the Doctor (Matt Smith), his companions Amy (Karen Gillan) and Rory (Arthur Darvill) and numerous friends on their latest escapades through space and time where they puzzle an unexpected invasion of Earth, save a spaceship full of dinosaurs, don Stetsons in a Wild Wild West adventure and are even kidnapped by the Doctor's oldest foe. The explosive series concludes with Amy and Rory's heart-breaking farewell -- a race against time through the streets of Manhattan. Will the Doctor really lose the Ponds forever? There's only one way to find out...
Every story has a beginning, a middle, and an end... But not always in that order. Watch the world-exclusive, just-released BBC America trailer for the all-new season of 'Doctor Who,' premiering Saturday, September 1 at 9/8c. Join the Doctor (Matt Smith), his companions Amy (Karen Gillan) and Rory (Arthur Darvill) and numerous friends on their latest escapades through space and time where they puzzle an unexpected invasion of Earth, save a spaceship full of dinosaurs, don Stetsons in a Wild Wild West adventure and are even kidnapped by the Doctor's oldest foe. The explosive series concludes with Amy and Rory's heart-breaking farewell -- a race against time through the streets of Manhattan. Will the Doctor really lose the Ponds forever? There's only one way to find out...
Is it just me or does the announcer sound like matt smith trying to sound like batman?
Asylum of the Daleks.. it was actually not too bad. Better than most of Smith's episodes at least. I'm glad it managed to even have a few twists I wasn't expecting. Although I didn't like the fact that the Daleks have been bumped down to the comic alien bench rather than the terrifying xenophobic genocidal mass-murderers that they are.
What really got me is that the person who was supposed to be the Doctor's new companion played Oswin, and if you've seen the episode you'll know why that's a tad perplexing.
The first is the obvious one: the Doctor returns to the Asylum, saves the Dalek Oswin before its destruction and reverses the Dalekisation process.
The second is odder. We know Amy has been affected by the Dalek Nanogenes and the conversion process has begun. What if it can't be reversed and its only a matter of time before the process is complete. But Oswin has reprogrammed the Nanogenes and Amy becomes Oswin/Clara? Would possibly exlain why the Pond's storyw ill be so heartbreaking ? Course I wonder if this wcould also be how they fix her so she can have children again ?
Or the new companion will be an ancestor or Oswin... like he did in Torchwood, keep that whole generational saga effect going.
The series seems to be running out of steam in my view. The Dalek horse has been flogged for too long, and they seem to have lost a lot of their potency. Fresh ideas are needed, but instead, we'll get more daleks and more angels...:(
Dinosaurs on a space ship.. Good premise, but am I the only one who found the dinosaur props really unconvincing? They just seem silly to me in the trailer/pictures I've seen.
Darkvoidof40k wrote: Dinosaurs on a space ship.. Good premise, but am I the only one who found the dinosaur props really unconvincing? They just seem silly to me in the trailer/pictures I've seen.
Well they are an improvement from when Pertwee's doctor faced his day of the dinosaurs But you'd think they could at least get them up to jurassic parks level by asking the company that did that movie for the animations.
im excited for the new season, if only because ive seen every dang 'sode at least thrice.
without giving the premiere away, i think we wont be seeing Daleks for a while....
Yes, the Daleks are beaten every time they show up and sice they used to show up a lot they might have lost some of the threat they used to have but I still love them. It's obvious that they are very dangerous. They can't be reasoned with, they have instant death rays, they want to wipe out every other being in existance. But yet they still work so great as a comic villian. Everyone in the Who-verse takes them very seriously, because they know what they are and what they can do. But to the viewer they are still a floating trashcan. And yet they still work. Every time. Victory of the Daleks was so great because they made them even more ridicoulus, yet gave some credible reason for them to act that way. They needed the Doctor and they got him. And I was rolling on the floor for the entire episode because "WOULD YOU CARE FOR SOME TEA!" was just bloody hilarious.
Not.Interested.Anymore...
