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Post by: kenshin620
Fresh off the press, Sedition Wars: Battle for Alabaster is up on Kickstarter. Sci Fi Survival Horror boardgame (sounds a bit like zombiecide but IN SPACE) but some (all?) the miniatures are from Studio McVey
$80 nets you the base game (which at retail will be $90)
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/coolminiornot/sedition-wars-battle-for-alabaster
Sedition Wars : Battle for Alabaster is a fast paced tactical miniatures game for two players, developed by Studio McVey and published by CoolMiniOrNot.
Survival horror at its finest, game play is fast and bloody – creating urgency and claustrophobic terror, as the Vanguard fight for their very lives against an unrelenting nightmare.
Battle for Alabaster is the first part in the Sedition Wars game experience. Future expansions will introduce exciting new factions, evocative settings and expand on the compelling storyline that guides the action. Once players have fought for control of Alabaster, they will want to continue the adventure in future episodes.
Important: figures are supplied unassembled and unpainted.
From the mind of industry legend Mike McVey, and created by the finest artists, miniatures sculptors and game designers, the contents and play materials of the game are of the highest quality.. Sedition Wars : Battle for Alabaster represents the best that miniatures gaming has to offer!
The game contains –
50 highly detailed 28mm miniatures
50 Scenic miniature bases
5 double sided full colour expandable game boards
60 page rules and scenario book
Vanguard and Strain stat cards
100+ full colour game counters
Check out the detail of these great models!
Rewards
We're doing this Kickstarter to give Mike's legions of fans (gulp) a chance to get in on the ground floor, as well as gauge demand and interest in Sedition Wars. The game is ready to go to tool, with sculpting and art complete! If you love great sci-fi miniatures, then here are the various pledge levels. We appreciate any help we can get!
$10 Airlock - Cover print signed by Mike McVey!
$25 Docking Bay - Get a special limited edition resin version of Kara, and a print of the cover art signed by Mike!
$80 Quarantine Zone - A copy of the boxed game (MSRP $89.99) and a print signed by Mike! Add $25 for international shipping.
$100 Biohazard! - Everything from the Quarantine Zone, plus a special edition Kara in resin and a sexy Vanguard patch! Add $25 for international shipping.
$190 We've got Movement! - 2 x Biohazard! Add $40 for international shipping.
$280 Keep Firing! - 3 x Biohazard! Add $55 for international shipping.
$350 Why Can't We Be Friends? - Everything from Biohazard, and dinner and drinks with Mike and Rob at Gencon 2012! You need to figure out how to get Gencon on your own though. Add $25 for international shipping.
$1500 That's Not a Natural Color - Get your Biohazard set painted by Golem Painting Studios! Add $25 for international shipping.
$2000 The Secret Template - Get yourself designed as either Vanguard or Strain and inserted into the Sedition Wars universe! Also includes everything from the Biohazard level. Add $25 for international shipping.
$3000 Patient Zero - Get your Biohazard set fully painted by Studio McVey, i.e. Mike and Ali themselves! Add $25 for international shipping.
$5000 The Lab - A Biohazard set, plus a set of resin masters painted by Studio McVey, and a day of personal instruction on miniature painting with Mike and Ali at their studio in Sheffield! You need to get there on your own though. Add $25 for international shipping.
Minis you get
Vanguard miniatures
Kara
Morgan
Akosha
Drone Tank (50mm base)
Male Samaritan with Laser Rifles x 12
Female Grenadier x 2
Male Reaver Heavy x 2
Female Lancer special x 2
Strain miniatures
Phase 1 - 1 Big arm x 7
Phase 1 - 2 Claw hand x 7
Phase 2 - 1 Stalker x 4
Phase 2 - 2 Quasimodo x 4
Phase 3 - 1 Scythe Witch x 2
Phase 3 - 1 Brimstone (50 mm base) x 2
Phase 4 Grendlr (50mm base)
Phase 5 Cthonian (50mm base)
Stretches!
40k REACHED
Achieved! If we can get more support, every game will be upgraded with alternate sculpts of the troopers with alt female poses (with and without helmets on). This should give more variety to the poor hapless grunts that are about to be turned into nano-virus feed....
60k REACHED
Reinforcements! Each Biohazard level and above pledge gets an additional squad of 12 vanguard troopers thrown in for free! Time to contain that infection!
80k REACHED
The Infection markers in all games will be upgraded from paper to plastic. If we hit this goal, we'll open a tool for these nifty tokens and improve Alabaster immensely for everyone! This is a great, super clear design to show which of the Vanguard are suffering the early stages of nano-infection! We're sure you'll agree, much snazzier than putting a paper chit on the base. Also upgraded will be the Nano counter, which doubles as an objective marker.
100k REACHED
If we hit this stretch, every game will get a horrific alternate sculpt of a Phase 1 Strain model. If you didn't have a reason to keep firing before, you sure do now!
120k REACHED
What better way to celebrate having a cool new Strain sculpt than to haveTWELVE additional Strain models? Every Biohazard set gets this additional pack of the horrors if we hit this stretch goal!
140k REACHED
Barker Zosa packs a mean punch with his massive Pulse Cannon. Sometimes, it's ok to blow a hole in the side of a ship. That's when you give Barker a call! If we hit this stretch, every game gets tooled up with this great heavy weapons specialist!
150k REACHED
Quarantine Campaign! Everyone gets a great downloadable campaign that will make use of all the additional figures released for the Biohazard set! Play a massive 70+ miniature battle climax!
170k REACHED
Everyone one loves dice right? Every Biohazard set gets a 6 custom Sedition Wars dice! 3 sexy Vanguard dice and 3 Strain dice!
190k REACHED
Mmm... it appears the good doctor wasn't as healthy as she first appeared! Or is this an insidious copy designed to sow doubt and despair amongst the Vanguard?
If we hit this stretch, every unit of Dr Ridley will ship with a Strain infected version of her! Ships at the same time as Dr Ridley!
210k REACHED
Each Biohazard set will get FOUR extra Phase 3 Strain models, 2 each of the Scythe Witch and Brimstone! I hope those Las-Carbines are fully charged....
240k REACHED
If we hit this stretch, every Lights Out campaign pack gets an additional glow in the dark Scythe Witch and Brimstone and a Opticamo Kara and the rest of the characters! (Don't have shots for the Opticamo characters yet, but you get the idea).
250k REACHED
If we hit this stretch, Mike and Ali will put together a short painting tutorial to get your Battle for Alabaster miniature windfall into decent shape! Every Biohazard set will receive a DVD (region free) with a short tutorial specifically for this Kickstarter. Depending on space limitations, a HD version you can play on your computer will either be included or downloadable.
270k REACHED
The ever popular AI Drone gets a buddy! If we hit this stretch, every Biohazard set gets another Drone! Infect this nanofools! Comes unassembled and unpainted.
300k REACHED
If we hit this stretch, every Biohazard set gets a sweet additional Grendlr, tentacles and all! Personally I think this is one of the most horrific sculpts in the game, and it can't hurt to have two!
330k REACHED
If we hit this stretch, it looks like Mr Banks won't make it off this tub after all. Every one who purchase Niven Banks gets his Strained version free! Ships the same time as Niven.
360k REACHED
The Cthonian is such a cool model... but he's (it's?) a character right? You can only field one of him (it) right? Every Biohazard set will get another Cthonian model free, as well as a stats card to play the model as a Construct Assault Drone, slaved to the Cthonian! He (it?) won't be as infectious or as smart, but he'll (it'll) be just as shooty!
390k REACHED
If we hit this goal, it looks like Ramirez didn't quite detonate that grenade in time. Get a free Strain version of Ramirez with every Ramirez! Ships together with the Sarge in March 2013.
420k REACHED
For all you AI Drone lovers out there, you should get a huge kick out of this one.The large AI Drone actually carries quite a large load out of smaller drones. In the game, these are represented by cardboard counters. But, since all of you have been so great, if we hit this stretch every Biohazard set will get a set of 6 baby drones free! Ships March 2013 with the rest of the new sculpts. Aren't they adorable?
430k REACHED
If we hit this stretch, every copy of Dr Hexen will ship with her evolved version free! Ships together with Dr Hexen in March 2013.
460k REACHED
The Bonecrab attacks by latching on to a living victim and spiking nano-tendrils into its host. This invasive parasitic attack leaves the victim helpless while the creature seizes control of the his motor functions. Once the victim is absorbed into the Strain construct, the Bonecrab detaches, and moves on in search of new prey." Every Biohazard set gets 6 of these skittering horrors if we hit our stretch! Ships in March 2013, unpainted and unassembled. And yes, there are rules for these things.... brrr...
470k REACHED
Complete the crew of the Calamity! If we hit this stretch, Phoenix and Delta join the Cap in his (mis)-adventures on Alabaster Station! They'll ship the same time as the Captain and XO and are free with every set of the Mercenary Crew!
520k REACHED
And so... the end is near. We therefore present you the violent, dangerous, mysterious, Keegan Kor! If we hit this stretch every Biohazard set will have Keegan lurking within! (You'll need to paint and assemble him though, if he'll let you).
600k REACHED
If we hit this stretch, every Biohazard set gets Iron Lily! She may be a little squishy without her THI carapace though... (hint hint). And not to worry, if we don't hit this stretch she'll be available in the CKPM as an option!
650k REACHED
Vanguard forward operators often find themselves adapting to "close encounters." Akosha has decided to switch up to full kick-murder wetwork gear! Ready to get surgical on some Strain mutant freaks? She is. Every Biohazard set gets the battle damaged version of this deadly cyborg if we hit this stretch! Ships March 2013, unpainted and unassembled.
700k REACHED
Morgan has decided to one up Akosha, and suit up in full Wildfire bio-hazard gear. Environmentally self contained for the most destructive of outbreaks, the suit provides enhanced protection from the strain infection. Armed with an incinerator, scanner, and advanced medpack, Morgan is ready to hunt the strain down and burn them out of Alabaster station. If we hit this stretch, every Biohazard set gets Morgan all suited up! Ships March 2013, unpainted and unassembled!
$781,598 REACHED
If we hit this stretch, every Biohazard set gets Gnosis armored Kara free! Ships March 2013, unpainted and unassembled. And not to worry, Kara will still come out for a spin if we miss this stretch, and will be available for $25 in the CKPM if we don't hit it!
$923,681 REACHED
If we hit this stretch, Barker Zosa and his loader frame will be included in every Biohazard set! Ships March 2013, unpainted and unassembled. But not to worry, he'll be available if we don't hit it for $25.
Also, MORE GOODIES
Optional Items
Here are some optional items you can add to your pledge, just increase it by the appropriate amount and we'll send you a survey after the Kickstarter concludes so you can pick what you'd like. Do note the differing shipping times on some of the options.
Dice Pack - Everyone needs more dice right? Each Biohazard set already includes a set of 6, but get another set (or 3)! Ships together with the Quarantine Zone and Biohazard rewards (expected November).
Terrain Pack - This was meant to be a set of resin models sold individually to "bling" out Alabaster station, but with the overwhelming response we've decided to tool it in plastic and give you a 100% complete upgrade! Check out what you get below, SEVENTY pieces of terrain! This is expected to ship in March 2013, ships free anywhere in the world.
And of course....
Against all odds, Dr Susan Ridley has survived on Alabaster Station. Seemingly uninfected by the Strain, and with a completely shell-shocked orphan in tow, perhaps the doctor can provide the Vanguard team some insight as to what the hell is happening! $10, and Dr Ridley can lend her expertise to your team! In sculpting now, and expected to ship in March. Dr Ridley is promotional figure and will be available only on Kickstarter and at conventions.
By popular demand, we're working on some solo play rules. There'll be a scenario where Vanguard infiltrators with optical camo are attempting to get to an area of the station that has lost power. The only kink in the plan, of course, are patrolling Strain guarding the module! Playing as Vanguard, avoid a firefight as long as you can; get in and get out, like a whisper in the wind....
So, if you're going to be sitting home alone, in the dark, what about some cool optional figures?
Photos for reference only, requires assembly. Actual Opticamo and Glow in the Dark figures will ship with scenic bases.
You don't need this pack to play the Lights Out campaign, but it looked so cool, we had to make some for ourselves. And since we're already making them....
Here's what's in the pack (Kickstarter and conventions only, we're only making these once):
"Killed in action while fighting Firebrand rebels in the Salazar interdiction, Niven Banks, Tech Officer 1st class was uploaded to a battlefield transponder. Under severe viral attack, the transponder suffered catastrophic failure while parts of Banks persona were still reaching engrammatic resolution. Safety interlocks failed due to a Firebrand virus in Vanguard systems and Banks resuscitated to re-enter the battlefield while suffering a massive psychotic break. Combat triggered hallucinations led to a lethal friendly fire incident involving nine other Vanguard."
On permanent hazard duty, Niven was "lucky" enough to be doing external maintenance in standard issue space armor when the outbreak occurred. Now armed to the teeth with whatever he's managed to jury rig, Engineer Banks is going to do anything it takes to get off this &@^#(!ing station!
Get Niven for $10! This version of him will only be available during this Kickstarter and at conventions. We have big plans for the character though, expect to see more of him later! Expected to ship March 2013.
Reminder, you don't need this to play the game, but since some of you asked for it....
An extra set of every tile in the game. Since they are double sided, a 2nd set will allow you to lay out map with every single unique design! This pack is just for the really dedicated gamers/hobbyists out there and is not necessary to enjoy the Battle for Alabaster.
Sergeant Ramirez is as tough as they come, and an ace with the Reaver support weapon! Laying down accurate and thunderous suppressing fire is a specialty. Just don't talk back to the sarge! Enlist her for $10. Ships March 2013. Available only on Kickstarter and as a convention promo.
Brilliant, beautiful, and utterly merciless Dr. Hexen Phaedrus is a specialist in nano-technology and neural interface systems. A key researcher at the Alabaster Science facility, she has advanced knowledge of how the Strain nano-phage works, and a desire to see it contained and controlled. Oddly enough, she seems immune to the infection herself, due to safeguard nano-tech she developed. Despite her co-operation and her willingness to accompany the Vanguard through the facility, her directions and information seem almost intentionally confused. Could she be steering the Vanguard towards a brutal confrontation with the Strain? And what purpose would that serve? Unravel her mysteries for $10, ships March 2013 (unpainted and unassembled).
Now Captain Ian Reins, his XO Bella Grange, enforcer Phoenix Corbett, and the mysterious and deadly pilot Delta Chen have found themselves caught between Vanguard forces and slavering mutants intent on infecting them with some kind of nano-virus. Still, the crew has dealt with misfortune before, and they intend to get out of this bit of worry like they always do... intact, alive, and broke."The Captain and his lovely XO will glady report for duty for paltry $20! Like the rest of the promo figures, please limit yourself to 3 each per Biohazard set you're pledging for. Ships in March 2013, unpainted and unassembled.
And if you don't have enough of these things....Each Biohazard set already comes with these, but if you need more, here they are! Ships with the rest of them in March 2013, unpainted and unassembled.
So these bad boys normally sell for $25 in their metal version, and come with one set of arms. Get them now for $15 each with Flamer and Pulse Cannon arms too! So you got 4 arms to choose from. Ships March 2013, unpainted and unassembled.
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Post by: Hyenajoe
Sounds interesting!
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Post by: Vain
What the hell? 80 bucks for "50 highly detailed 28mm miniatures" and "50 Scenic miniature bases"?
That is insanely cheap.
....too cheap! I am wanting to see what kind of miniature sprues we are talking about coz those demo minis in the video look freaking awesome, but wouldnt be surprised if they are the metal or resin masters/prototypes of the plastic minis.
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Post by: Alpharius
If I hadn't just back Zombicide AND Ogre...
Still, I'll keep an eye on this one.
If the stretch goals get interesting...
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Post by: kenshin620
Alpharius wrote:If I hadn't just back Zombicide AND Ogre...
Still, I'll keep an eye on this one.
If the stretch goals get interesting...
Oh dear I know what you mean
I already got $140 sucked into Zombiecide, and I just dumped about $120 on some new Dust Stuff
Dont know if I have the funds for this 
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Post by: Delephont
Haha....just gave away all of my Sedition Wars stuff (yes, it was a give away  )
Oh well, just goes to show, I shuld have been patient, and Studio McVey shouldn't have taken so long....
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Post by: Alpharius
Same here!
The timing of this one sucks, as I would have almost certainly not backed one of those two in favor of this one...
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Post by: Necros
My spare cash went to Ogre also, this one looks great and I'm sure it'll do well, but i'll have to skip it
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Post by: zedmeister
Nice. Almost has a system shock 2 feel to it. Added to my must consider list!
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Post by: gilljoy
$105 usd shipped to the uk for a copy of the game? I'm very tempted
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Post by: Gargantuan
Are the miniatures metal, resin or plastic?
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Post by: inquisitorlewis
If the minis in the game are the same as the current metal minis this game will be one of the best values on the market.
I have all the current metal minis, and they are NICEEE!!!
Pledged.
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Post by: kenshin620
Gargantuan wrote:Are the miniatures metal, resin or plastic?
I have no idea. I looked up and down but they didnt say, only one I know is the exclusive one which is Resin.
On other topics they updated now with the list on what minis you get. I'll update the original post
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Post by: Motograter
Looks interesting though why only in america, It is cheap to import into the uk but for a uk based game its a bit of an oddity.
Think for now I will have to pass
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
A set painted by Mike McVey himself? That's impressive.
50 minis, half of which are those cool Strain minis, all in plastic, and double-sided sci-fi board pieces?
*pledges*
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Post by: kenshin620
Motograter wrote:Looks interesting though why only in america, It is cheap to import into the uk but for a uk based game its a bit of an oddity.
Think for now I will have to pass
Although it is McVey, just like Zombiecide this is produced by CMoN
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Post by: inquisitorlewis
Motograter wrote:Looks interesting though why only in america, It is cheap to import into the uk but for a uk based game its a bit of an oddity.
Think for now I will have to pass
I suspect it's because CMON is leading this project. They are based in Georgia, USA. That's where everything will ship from.
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Post by: Von Skyfury
Sounds cool !
But still find it funny you need to pay an additional 25$ for international shipping even if you pledged thousands of dollars heh. Not that it matters if you can invest that much in a single board game.
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Post by: Delephont
Motograter wrote:Looks interesting though why only in america, It is cheap to import into the uk but for a uk based game its a bit of an oddity.
Think for now I will have to pass
The whole "Kickstarter" thing is (currently) only available in the US, they most likely got a US "backer" to organise and set up the Kickstarer project. The other thing (I guess) is that if the game can be a success in the US, from a sales perspective, it will be a serious success.
The way to look at this though, if the Kickstarter works out, I'm sure it will only be a matter of time before Studio McVey secures a viable UK distribution through companies like Maelstrom, Wayland and West Wind (possibly).....this Kickstarter just ensures that the original concept has the funded backing it needs to get off the ground.
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Post by: kenshin620
Wow, literally when I posted this news the Kickstarter just launched, so it had zero backers
Nearly 2 hours later 54 backers and almost $7k out of 20k are in. News travels fast. This will no doubt hit the pledge goal if it keeps this pace. I wonder if McVey has any stretches though.....
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Post by: Necros
I'm sure they have tons of stretch goals planned already, just based on how Zombicide went.
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Post by: Jomy
I'd like to add to the sentiment that free shipping in the U.S only sucks given that Golem & Studio McVey are U.K based. Maybe they could be persuaded to work something out on an individual basis for people that contact them direct instead of going through kickstarter.
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Post by: Grot 6
55.
I just pledged 25 bucks.
Didn't see where I get the game though, it only discussed the add ons for pledges.
On a lighter note-
Time to back Mike's games. If this is a beginning and expqansions are coming, I can't wait to see more.
Do the current minis at Studio McVey go to this game system as well?
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Post by: mould2k
Jomy wrote:I'd like to add to the sentiment that free shipping in the U.S only sucks given that Golem & Studio McVey are U.K based. Maybe they could be persuaded to work something out on an individual basis for people that contact them direct instead of going through kickstarter.
Spot on, can something be arranged?
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Post by: warboss
Anyone remember the good old days when companies that had a well known designer and good art would just come out with a game through normal retail outlets instead of asking for the entire run to be prepaid ahead of time? I don't mind the idea of kickstarter for things that won't or can't come out through traditional channels but this method feels like its just being used by everyone now. I guess I can't blame companies seeing as how they get 95% of the MRSP instead of the traditional 50% through distributor/retail channels.
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Post by: Dysartes
Gargantuan wrote:Are the miniatures metal, resin or plastic?
They're in plastic - according to the comments on Kickstarter:
"@ Avicenna. The plastics will be somewhere in between - not quite as hard as styrene, but close. The same as Privateer Press plastics. The detail is really good and they paint up very well." - Mike McVey
Necros wrote:I'm sure they have tons of stretch goals planned already, just based on how Zombicide went.
According to Mike, yes they do - though I don't know what they are planning.
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Post by: Bolognesus
warboss wrote:Anyone remember the good old days when companies that had a well known designer and good art would just come out with a game through normal retail outlets instead of asking for the entire run to be prepaid ahead of time? I don't mind the idea of kickstarter for things that won't or can't come out through traditional channels but this method feels like its just being used by everyone now. I guess I can't blame companies seeing as how they get 95% of the MRSP instead of the traditional 50% through distributor/retail channels.
and for those of you who don't like kickstarter, this will come out through regular channels.
this gives chances for feedback, pre-orders, creating a buzz and really, I prefer those things to be community oriented.
remember you just end up paying for expensive marketing through the RRP. this is better
and if you still don't like it, there's a little X in the top right corner of the window. by all means, feel free. sheesh.
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Post by: zedmeister
Aye, and you'll be able to use the following nice model in your games:
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Post by: endtransmission
Delephont wrote:Haha....just gave away all of my Sedition Wars stuff (yes, it was a give away )
And very nice the models are too, thank you sir 
Oddly I was looking at putting them together this morning, so this is actually really good timing. I wonder if they have sorted out the odd scale problem with some of the figures though... some of the earlier models look really odd next to the more recent ones.
I couldn't resist getting the game and the resin Kara...
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Post by: warboss
ThomasPolder wrote:and for those of you who don't like kickstarter, this will come out through regular channels.
this gives chances for feedback, pre-orders, creating a buzz and really, I prefer those things to be community oriented.
remember you just end up paying for expensive marketing through the RRP. this is better
and if you still don't like it, there's a little X in the top right corner of the window. by all means, feel free. sheesh.
Feedback, preorders, creating a buzz, being community oriented... are all things you can do normally without kickstarter as companies have been doing that for years. You can disagree (and it's a reasonable viewpoint) but I feel like kickstarter should be used by companies that don't yet have access to traditional outlets or for projects that would be too risky (and therefore not get any backing) via traditional methods. What good does the game do alot of players if the store they play in can't get in on the actions whereas a 6 months ago it would have? This game doesn't need a kickstart as its a prime example of a high-end traditional market release.
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Post by: Ravenblade666
Well it's up to 11k already they might even reach it by the end of the weekend.
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Post by: Jomy
By the end of the hour, considering that they were at 5k an hour ago.
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Post by: Dysartes
Just shy of $18k as of a couple of minutes ago...
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Post by: Uriels_Flame
These are really nice.
So for $1500 you get 3 game contents and all of it is painted?
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Post by: Dysartes
Uriels_Flame wrote:These are really nice.
So for $1500 you get 3 game contents and all of it is painted?
Looking at the wording, I think it is one game's contents, painted for you by Golem Studios.
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Post by: Studio McVey
Hey guys - Mike McVey here.
Just found the time to jump on this thread, I'll try and answer some of your questions shortly! (things have been INSANE since the KS launched)
I'll also be uploading some images of the painted miniatures to the gallery tomorrow.
cheers!
mike
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Post by: Dysartes
Well, congratulations on the Kickstarter hitting the funding goal in less than a day, Mike.
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Post by: zedmeister
Aye, impressive. Also the $2,000 and $3,000 pledges have already gone.
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Post by: Dysartes
First stretch goal has been posted:
Target: $40,000
Result: If we can get more support, every game will be upgraded with alternate sculpts of the troopers with alt female poses (with and without helmets on). This should give more variety to the poor hapless grunts that are about to be turned into nano-virus feed....
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Post by: Teeef
Over $20 K. Looking forward to my Minis and whatever stretch goals you have in store. Also can't wait to see the painted stuff. I might even play the boardgame 
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Post by: BrookM
Damn it KS, stop tempting me!
Penny Arcade sums it up best, warning, they use swears: http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/i-JK7pd7k/0/L/i-JK7pd7k-XL.jpg
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Post by: Piston Honda
I officially hate kick starter and Indie gogo and everyone who uses it
Zombicide 200 bucks
Dark Potential 100 bucks
and now this?
I can't keep up! :(
I'm like a goddamn junkie. Automatically Appended Next Post: Studio McVey wrote:Hey guys - Mike McVey here.
Just found the time to jump on this thread, I'll try and answer some of your questions shortly! (things have been INSANE since the KS launched)
I'll also be uploading some images of the painted miniatures to the gallery tomorrow.
cheers!
mike
Mike, not sure if you will return to the boards, but I think I remember hearing on Beasts of War Sedition Wars is suppose to have 2 forms. Board game and a "traditional" minis game version (use of measuring tapes, etc.).
Is this true or do I just have a terrible memory?
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Post by: Studio McVey
Mike, not sure if you will return to the boards, but I think I remember hearing on Beasts of War Sedition Wars is suppose to have 2 forms. Board game and a "traditional" minis game version (use of measuring tapes, etc.).
Is this true or do I just have a terrible memory?
The plan is to do the first game (now funded so actually happening!) and at least one expansion for it. If the demand is there (and we haven't dropped down dead from the effort), we *may* roll it out into a skirmish game.
To be honest though - I can't see far past this at the moment!
We do have some really cool stuff planned for the first expansion though...
mike
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zedmeister wrote:Aye, impressive. Also the $2,000 and $3,000 pledges have already gone.
Thanks!
Seriously, my mind is blown now...
mike
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Post by: zedmeister
Studio McVey wrote:
Thanks!
Seriously, my mind is blown now...
mike
Well, its a nice evening and assuming you're currently in the UK and not globe hopping, I suggest a trip to the pub to celebrate 
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Post by: Studio McVey
warboss wrote:ThomasPolder wrote:and for those of you who don't like kickstarter, this will come out through regular channels.
this gives chances for feedback, pre-orders, creating a buzz and really, I prefer those things to be community oriented.
remember you just end up paying for expensive marketing through the RRP. this is better
and if you still don't like it, there's a little X in the top right corner of the window. by all means, feel free. sheesh.
Feedback, preorders, creating a buzz, being community oriented... are all things you can do normally without kickstarter as companies have been doing that for years. You can disagree (and it's a reasonable viewpoint) but I feel like kickstarter should be used by companies that don't yet have access to traditional outlets or for projects that would be too risky (and therefore not get any backing) via traditional methods. What good does the game do alot of players if the store they play in can't get in on the actions whereas a 6 months ago it would have? This game doesn't need a kickstart as its a prime example of a high-end traditional market release.
Hi Warboss.
I understand your concerns, but you shouldn't naturally assume this could have been launched in any other way. Studio McVey is a minnow in the gaming industry, in reality is just myself and my wife, ali. It's been unbelievably hard to bring this as close to market as we have, and we have pretty much bet the farm on it. The extra revenue that KS will (hopefully!) bring will allow us to make the game how we really want it - launching it the traditional way would have meant less miniatures, smaller rule book, less scenarios and cheaper components.
I totally understand your point about supporting local game shops - but my hope is the extra marketing buzz that this might bring, will drive sales there too when it launches in October. We plan to have support programs in the shops and give them all they need to make it a success.
It's nice to hear you call it a prime example of a high-end traditional market release though! We must have done something right!
cheers!
mike Automatically Appended Next Post: zedmeister wrote:Studio McVey wrote:
Thanks!
Seriously, my mind is blown now...
mike
Well, its a nice evening and assuming you're currently in the UK and not globe hopping, I suggest a trip to the pub to celebrate
I wish!
I have SOOO much work to do right now. No sleep till July!
mike
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Post by: Delephont
endtransmission wrote:Delephont wrote:Haha....just gave away all of my Sedition Wars stuff (yes, it was a give away )
And very nice the models are too, thank you sir
Oddly I was looking at putting them together this morning, so this is actually really good timing. I wonder if they have sorted out the odd scale problem with some of the figures though... some of the earlier models look really odd next to the more recent ones.
I couldn't resist getting the game and the resin Kara...
lol.....nothing like a little salt for an open wound
Seriously, I wouldn't have had a chance to paint thme, or play the game (UNIVERSITY!!) so I'm stoked they've gone to a good home, and I hope you get many a great gaming evening out of them.
@Warboss
Regardless of what you may thin, Kickstarter is there for everyone to use, from Studio McVey to Ford Motor Company. The way I see it, you plegde your wedge and you get something for your money, simple as that......I think it's a novel way of funding a project, and its about as risk proof as it gets for smaller companies who want to launch something that they have no idea if it will be well recieved by the market or not. Studio McVey could have gone the "traditional" route and been worse off for the experience. This way, the player base gets a game they believe in, and Studio McVey gets to have a few more nights under a roof with a hot meal on the table.....I find it a bit difficult to see the negative side of that transaction.
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Post by: Kalamadea
Feedback, preorders, creating a buzz, being community oriented... are all things you can do normally without kickstarter as companies have been doing that for years. You can disagree (and it's a reasonable viewpoint) but I feel like kickstarter should be used by companies that don't yet have access to traditional outlets or for projects that would be too risky (and therefore not get any backing) via traditional methods. What good does the game do alot of players if the store they play in can't get in on the actions whereas a 6 months ago it would have? This game doesn't need a kickstart as its a prime example of a high-end traditional market release.
The other thing about kickstarter projects as opposed to traditionally released products is the stretch goals. Like Mike said, it would have had cheaper components and less stuff if released through traditional means. Companies, especially small independant companies, have to be very, very careful what they put in a box and how large of a print run they go for. The larger the print run, the cheaper each individual unit becomes, but you have to front ALL the money for production yourself before anything gets made and hope you made a good enough product that it will catch on and you'll make your money back. That's before you can even think of turning a profit.
Kickstarter projects like these are the best, I think. A fully realized, beautifull project that is looking for funding to make it even better. It's a great product with amazing components that will only get better and better and better the more people that back it. We're already getting alternate scuplts that we would not have if this was completely fronted by Studio McVey only (I think it's safe to assue they'll get another $14k before the 35 days pass). That is something that wouldn't have happened otherwise, maybe in an expansion that you would have had to pay extra for. What's next? More scenarios? More alternate sculpts or additional models? More compnents or much better quality components? And when the board game finally hits shelves, all that extra stuff improves the final product beyond anything that could have possibly gone into the original run if just privately funded.
Once payday happens, you better believe I'm backing this thing.
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Post by: Alpharius
warboss wrote:ThomasPolder wrote:and for those of you who don't like kickstarter, this will come out through regular channels.
this gives chances for feedback, pre-orders, creating a buzz and really, I prefer those things to be community oriented.
remember you just end up paying for expensive marketing through the RRP. this is better
and if you still don't like it, there's a little X in the top right corner of the window. by all means, feel free. sheesh.
Feedback, preorders, creating a buzz, being community oriented... are all things you can do normally without kickstarter as companies have been doing that for years. You can disagree (and it's a reasonable viewpoint) but I feel like kickstarter should be used by companies that don't yet have access to traditional outlets or for projects that would be too risky (and therefore not get any backing) via traditional methods. What good does the game do alot of players if the store they play in can't get in on the actions whereas a 6 months ago it would have? This game doesn't need a kickstart as its a prime example of a high-end traditional market release.
Nowhere does it say anything like this on Kickstarter itself, of course.
They're interested in all projects funding successfully - it is how they make their money.
Companies get to accurately (!) gauge interest and book pre-orders, and make some extra money (maybe), and oftentimes consumers get some cool freebies/extras for being an early adopter.
And if people feel like you do and vote with their wallets (or vote to not open their wallets, I guess!), well, then it won't happen.
I really don't see the downside at all.
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Post by: warboss
Studio McVey wrote:
Hi Warboss.
I understand your concerns, but you shouldn't naturally assume this could have been launched in any other way. Studio McVey is a minnow in the gaming industry, in reality is just myself and my wife, ali. It's been unbelievably hard to bring this as close to market as we have, and we have pretty much bet the farm on it. The extra revenue that KS will (hopefully!) bring will allow us to make the game how we really want it - launching it the traditional way would have meant less miniatures, smaller rule book, less scenarios and cheaper components.
I totally understand your point about supporting local game shops - but my hope is the extra marketing buzz that this might bring, will drive sales there too when it launches in October. We plan to have support programs in the shops and give them all they need to make it a success.
Fair enough. Will the mainstream release in October then differ significantly from this one? I frankly don't buy much stuff new nowadays (after 20 years of gaming, I have way too much crap...) so when I do I try to funnel my purchases (as opposed to trades) through the FLGS as much as possible.
Studio McVey wrote:
It's nice to hear you call it a prime example of a high-end traditional market release though! We must have done something right!
cheers!
mike
It was meant as a compliment; I've seen your minis around and consider them very nice sculpts. If they were a bit closer to existing scales/sizes, I'd already be a customer!
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Post by: MajorTom11
I pledged, Mike McVey is a major reason I was ever even interested in minis. Without his work as inspiration, I doubt I would even be a member of Dakka or even painting right now. Figure I owe him a little support!
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Post by: Kalamadea
I don't owe McVey anything. The man makes awesome models, and I love painting and playing with awesome models. I will continue to to buy and paint awesome models, and if they just so happen to be produced by Mike McVey, then he is the one that will benefit from that. As a result, he has benefited quite a bit from me over the years and it looks like he will continue to do so.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I've been amazed at Mike McVey's stuff since I first started buying White Dwarf in the early 90's. He, like Jes Goodwin, has shaped so much of what we see in 40K and Warhammer, so I'm very happy to support this launch.
I just hope one of the stretch goals (or purchase options) matches the one from Zombiecide where you can get a second set of tiles.
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Post by: scarletsquig
Hi Mike!
Really like the look of this game, have been drooling over the Sedition Wars sculpts for some time, but would never buy any on account of the price.
With plastics, this is a definite buy for me, the quality is just way too good. Very glad to see it got funded so quickly!
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Post by: Jomy
I think the only McVey model I've ever bought is Broga Hourigsen. I do own some Hordes minis so some of them could be McVey minis. I think my peak of interest in the hobby was around the time of that epic warhammer quest diorama though, and the 40k ones were great too, as was the 'How to paint' book. Mike Mcvey and Mark Gibbons were a great inspiration, along with Chambers and Jervis I suppose.
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Post by: zedmeister
Not bad, now up to $38,613 and still climbing. No ones plumped for the $5,000 option. A few more of $1,500's have gone though
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Post by: Soul of Iron
I missed out on the Zombicide KS and was PISSED! There is no way in Hell I'm going to miss out on McVey project!
Backed!
Shawn G.
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Post by: Studio McVey
warboss wrote:Studio McVey wrote:
Hi Warboss.
I understand your concerns, but you shouldn't naturally assume this could have been launched in any other way. Studio McVey is a minnow in the gaming industry, in reality is just myself and my wife, ali. It's been unbelievably hard to bring this as close to market as we have, and we have pretty much bet the farm on it. The extra revenue that KS will (hopefully!) bring will allow us to make the game how we really want it - launching it the traditional way would have meant less miniatures, smaller rule book, less scenarios and cheaper components.
I totally understand your point about supporting local game shops - but my hope is the extra marketing buzz that this might bring, will drive sales there too when it launches in October. We plan to have support programs in the shops and give them all they need to make it a success.
Fair enough. Will the mainstream release in October then differ significantly from this one? I frankly don't buy much stuff new nowadays (after 20 years of gaming, I have way too much crap...) so when I do I try to funnel my purchases (as opposed to trades) through the FLGS as much as possible.
Studio McVey wrote:
It's nice to hear you call it a prime example of a high-end traditional market release though! We must have done something right!
cheers!
mike
It was meant as a compliment; I've seen your minis around and consider them very nice sculpts. If they were a bit closer to existing scales/sizes, I'd already be a customer!
I took it as a compliment too - really, it nice to be referred to in that way after all the work we put in.
As for scales, we have two different scales for our ranges. The LE resin range are all a little larger than normal as they are primarily designed for collectors and painters - around 35mm. That's because we want to be able to get a little more fine detail and life into them.
The Sedition Wars stuff is solidly 28mm though.
mike
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Post by: TheSecretSquig
Pledged my $125. Coming from Mike McVey I'm expecting a VERY high standard of game and models. Mike made my all time favourite model (Shown Below) and if I ever won the lottery, he'd find himself making it again for a very large commission!
Really looking forward to seeing all the minatures, hopefully the game will arrive just in time for Christmas. My only question is on the P&P. Seeing as McVey Studios is in the UK, why the $25 P&P?
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Post by: Bolognesus
it's produced by CMON so either US production or asian production with US main distro. shame. I'd've liked cheaper shipping to mainland EU too :(
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Post by: kenshin620
TheSecretSquig wrote:
Really looking forward to seeing all the minatures, hopefully the game will arrive just in time for Christmas. My only question is on the P&P. Seeing as McVey Studios is in the UK, why the $25 P&P?
I know this may not seem fairish, but previous posts have covered why there is shipping
kenshin620 wrote:Motograter wrote:Looks interesting though why only in america, It is cheap to import into the uk but for a uk based game its a bit of an oddity.
Think for now I will have to pass
Although it is McVey, just like Zombiecide this is produced by CMoN
inquisitorlewis wrote:
I suspect it's because CMON is leading this project. They are based in Georgia, USA. That's where everything will ship from.
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Post by: Gargantuan
Guess I have to make a Kickstarter account now.
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Post by: Dysartes
$40k goal hit now; I wonder what Mike has in store for the next stretch goal.
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Post by: Necros
can't resist anymore. I'm in for $100
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Post by: Dysartes
Just waiting on Kickstarter to publish the next stretch goal.
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Post by: zedmeister
Ahhh, sod it. I'm in - $25 for me, I'll snag a signed print and a limited Kara please!
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Update - stretch 60k added with additional vanguard troops
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Post by: kenshin620
Ooh an extra 12 troopers, thats very nice. I'll update the front page with the stretches
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Post by: Dysartes
And I quote...
Sedition Wars Kickstarter page wrote:Update #2: Alternate female sculpts are in! Roll on more troopers!
Posted 2 minutes ago
Less than a day and we've hit our first stretch goal! Two alternate sculpts unlocked in for the troopers!
With this great variety, how about...
Reinforcements! Each Biohazard level and above pledge gets an additional squad of 12 vanguard troopers thrown in for free! Time to contain that infection!
New stretch target is, as stated, $60,000. How long do you reckon it'll take to hit that?
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Post by: kenshin620
Dysartes wrote:
New stretch target is, as stated, $60,000. How long do you reckon it'll take to hit that?
At the most? In a day. I get the feeling we might hit that before supper time (here anyways)!
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Post by: zedmeister
Somehow, depending on what else happens, I think a few of us with pledges may increase what we pledged
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Post by: vitki
MajorTom11 wrote:I pledged, Mike McVey is a major reason I was ever even interested in minis. Without his work as inspiration, I doubt I would even be a member of Dakka or even painting right now. Figure I owe him a little support!
+1 to this.
My first kickstarter!
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Post by: BrookM
So tempted to crack open the piggy bank on this one. 
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Post by: Erasoketa
204% and still 35 days. As a Biohazard-lvl backer I think I'll be having that extra 12 guys ^^
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Post by: Necros
nice .. gonna also be a IG "high tech" vet squad for me
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Post by: Grot 6
I pledged in my 25 bones, do I get the game and the resin girl too?
If not, how much is the game along side the 25 bones?
I'd like one of the games, as well as the snacks.
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Post by: Dysartes
Hey Grot - the game is at the $80 pledge level, along with a signed cover art print. The $100 pledge gets you the game, the special edition Kara and a patch, and seems to be the base level for Kickstarter stretch goal bonuses.
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Post by: Grot 6
Dysartes wrote:Hey Grot - the game is at the $80 pledge level, along with a signed cover art print. The $100 pledge gets you the game, the special edition Kara and a patch, and seems to be the base level for Kickstarter stretch goal bonuses.
Aye, It looks like I'm in to it for 100, now. 
Just read through the kickstarter promo.
2 squads and some females.... along with the resin figure...
Time to check out some of Mikes other works on the site.
I think I share the sentiment, about him being one of the first ones to draw me in, as well.
The GW painting and modeling guides from the 2d edition are required reading.
Still love that diorama for the Emperor/ Horus on the ship.
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Post by: endtransmission
$100 gets you the signed print as well
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Post by: Erasoketa
I finally visited Warhammer World about 3 weeks ago, and you can't believe how awesome was the chance of seeing that diorama, the Warhammer Quest one, and the other of the Death Wing terminators and the Genestealers. And the Wood Elves vs Undead. And... 
I need to go back.
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Post by: Orlanth
This game is not for me.
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Post by: kenshin620
Orlanth wrote:This game is not for me.
Before anyone tries to refute your opinion, mind explaining why? Dont worry about me though, I can understand why some people might not like this.
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Post by: Dysartes
Erasoketa wrote:
I finally visited Warhammer World about 3 weeks ago, and you can't believe how awesome was the chance of seeing that diorama, the Warhammer Quest one, and the other of the Death Wing terminators and the Genestealers. And the Wood Elves vs Undead. And...
Can't argue with that - got the chance to see them when I went to the FW Open Day at the start of April.
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Post by: Kalamadea
AAAAAAAAAAAAnnnnnnnd that's all i was waiting for, to see if it was the $80 or the $100 pledge level that was gonna be the base. Time to get me some BIOHAZARD action!
This is fantastic, I skipped zombiecide and OGRE since I'm really not into zombie stuff and never looked twice at the OGRE minis/games before, but both of those got so big they had me really damn tempted. This is like the perfect storm of kickstarter games, love the aesthetic, love the models, great artwork. I would have bought the originally proposed game and been perfectly content with it, but now it's just gonna wind up amazing, I'm sure. Here's hoping all this money gets the 3rd faction made to ship out near the same time or soon after, even if it's as a seperate expansion!
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Post by: Studio McVey
TheSecretSquig wrote:Pledged my $125. Coming from Mike McVey I'm expecting a VERY high standard of game and models. Mike made my all time favourite model (Shown Below) and if I ever won the lottery, he'd find himself making it again for a very large commission!
Really looking forward to seeing all the minatures, hopefully the game will arrive just in time for Christmas. My only question is on the P&P. Seeing as McVey Studios is in the UK, why the $25 P&P?
Ah! Making those dioramas for GW still rates amongst the most fun I have had in my whole career!
I've been absolutely dying to make a Sedition Wars diorama - maybe for the expansion...
mike
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Post by: Orlanth
kenshin620 wrote:Orlanth wrote:This game is not for me.
Before anyone tries to refute your opinion, mind explaining why? Dont worry about me though, I can understand why some people might not like this.
Fair enough.
1. Personal preference, these miniatures are samey and are a small standalone game that looks like it will need expanding on to be any good. If I wanted something like that I would pick up Infinity.
2. I don't like the miniatures much, sure they are nice sculpts, but they aren't for me.
3. Too many games in this genre. I will stick with my collections of AT-43 and 40K frankly. I can use those miniatures to make up what I want.
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Post by: Uriels_Flame
Seriously considering the +$100. That is such a good deal, especially now that the new 60k bonus.
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Post by: Dysartes
Studio McVey wrote:I've been absolutely dying to make a Sedition Wars diorama - maybe for the expansion...
mike
A Sedition Wars diorama has to happen, Mike - possibly the monorail carriage?
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Post by: 02Laney
Great looking game, excellent stretch goals so far and the sculpts are just beautiful (IG vet squads here we come).
I'll be in for the Biohazard level
Laney
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Post by: Kalamadea
Hey Mike, what are the chances of additional stretch goals being that 3rd faction you mention in the video instead of just additional or alternate figs for the 2 base factions? You mentioned an expansion is already at least in the planning stages, how much does this thing need to make before that's an option?
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Post by: Uriels_Flame
Just keep giving me figs for all sides and i'll be happy.
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Post by: CT GAMER
H.B.M.C. wrote:
50 minis, half of which are those cool Strain minis
The Strain are some of the coolest alien minis ever...
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Post by: Bromsy
I bumped up to the $100 dollar level for the stretch goals. It's passed 50k now so I have no doubt we'll hit the 60k at least.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Ok, as the stretch goals require Biohazard level, I've upgraded my pledge.
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Post by: Hulksmash
First Kickstarter I'm going to donate too. The models are just to sexy......
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Post by: Pacific
Definitely interested in this, looks like a real quality product!
Does anyone know what kind of scale the models are? I was hoping to use them in amongst Infinity models, as well as for the board game itself. They don't appear to be 'heroically scaled' which is a big bonus, but I would be very grateful if anyone could comment on the model size itself!
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Post by: Dysartes
I haven't seen the ones from the board games, but the metals seem to be 28-30mm scale.
Mind you, Mike is keeping an eye on this thread now, so he might be able to give you a better answer.
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Post by: Baragash
vitki wrote:MajorTom11 wrote:I pledged, Mike McVey is a major reason I was ever even interested in minis. Without his work as inspiration, I doubt I would even be a member of Dakka or even painting right now. Figure I owe him a little support!
+1 to this.
My first kickstarter!
Same here!
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Post by: zedmeister
All miniatures in the set are 28mm
Though, Mike has said the limited edition resins are 35mm. Wonder what the scale the limited Kara that comes with this is?
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Post by: Dysartes
I thought Mike was referring to the Studio McVey resins, as opposed to these Sedition Wars figures.
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Post by: sparkywtf
Okay, I was hesitant at first, but seeing 34 days left to found, and reading through the stretch stuff, I kicked in 100 bucks for the biohazard level. Totally worth it.
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Post by: Erasoketa
Wow this is going so fast, 5k$ and 34 days for the 60k stretch goal. I wonder what a 80k update would look like
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Post by: Soul of Iron
I can't wait to see what the next stretch goal will be!
Shawn G.
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Post by: Delephont
Orlanth wrote:kenshin620 wrote:Orlanth wrote:This game is not for me.
Before anyone tries to refute your opinion, mind explaining why? Dont worry about me though, I can understand why some people might not like this.
Fair enough.
1. Personal preference, these miniatures are samey and are a small standalone game that looks like it will need expanding on to be any good. If I wanted something like that I would pick up Infinity.
2. I don't like the miniatures much, sure they are nice sculpts, but they aren't for me.
3. Too many games in this genre. I will stick with my collections of AT-43 and 40K frankly. I can use those miniatures to make up what I want.
seriously?
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Post by: BrookM
OH NO, someone isn't buying it for perfectly good reasons! Put him on the list! Buy an extra set just to show him how wrong he is! 
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Post by: kenshin620
Delephont wrote:Orlanth wrote:kenshin620 wrote:Orlanth wrote:This game is not for me.
Before anyone tries to refute your opinion, mind explaining why? Dont worry about me though, I can understand why some people might not like this.
Fair enough.
1. Personal preference, these miniatures are samey and are a small standalone game that looks like it will need expanding on to be any good. If I wanted something like that I would pick up Infinity.
2. I don't like the miniatures much, sure they are nice sculpts, but they aren't for me.
3. Too many games in this genre. I will stick with my collections of AT-43 and 40K frankly. I can use those miniatures to make up what I want.
seriously?
Hey some people are entitled to their own opinion. At least he gave a detailed and imo reasonably well thought out resposne
1. I do agree that the sculpts, even with the added ones, do get a bit samey. Not saying McVey is bad but some people dont like too many monoposed figs especially after years of dealing with multi part plastic or the like (and boardgames in general always have monoposed figs). Now I just so happen though to not be bothered by them too much
2. Some people may dont like the super clean sci fi soldier or the robot space zombie infection aesthetic. Theres also maybe scale or other factors
3. There are already a lot of sci fi games out there, both board game and wargame variants from Infinity to Dust. In fact mantic already has their Project Pandora board game up for a month or so now (well swap space zombies with space rats), not to mention the venerable Space Hulk. I'm not saying "Zomg McVey is totally unoriginal with this space corridor "The Thing" type gameplay", just that some people may feel at the market may be a bit saturated
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
I'm watching this with interest. As with Zombicide, stretch goals may prove if I jump in or not, but I'm already tempted with just what they have come up with so far.
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Post by: Studio McVey
Kalamadea wrote:Hey Mike, what are the chances of additional stretch goals being that 3rd faction you mention in the video instead of just additional or alternate figs for the 2 base factions? You mentioned an expansion is already at least in the planning stages, how much does this thing need to make before that's an option?
We don't plan to introduce the Firebrand just yet - they are going to come in at the same time as the 4th faction - Bounty Hunters.
We have some cool things planed for Stretch Goals though - can't wait to tell you about them
mike
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Post by: kenshin620
Studio McVey wrote:
We don't plan to introduce the Firebrand just yet - they are going to come in at the same time as the 4th faction - Bounty Hunters.
Bounty hunters? We don't need that scum
My brother is a bounty hunter gareth
I had to
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Post by: Studio McVey
zedmeister wrote:All miniatures in the set are 28mm
Though, Mike has said the limited edition resins are 35mm. Wonder what the scale the limited Kara that comes with this is?
Just to clarify - all Sedition Wars miniatures are 28mm, even the LE ones (like the Kara on KS).
I was referring to the Studio McVey Limited Edition Line (the miniatures of various genre miniatures) being 35mm.
mike
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Post by: CURNOW
i realy like the figs but i dont game so im on the fence about this atm ..
mite wait till the figs are relesed by themselves ...
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Post by: Alpharius
This game will probably end up in the Zombicide/Ogre range: $700K - 900K.
So I really can't wait to see what the stretch goals will be!
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Post by: angryboy2k
Studio McVey wrote:zedmeister wrote:All miniatures in the set are 28mm
Though, Mike has said the limited edition resins are 35mm. Wonder what the scale the limited Kara that comes with this is?
Just to clarify - all Sedition Wars miniatures are 28mm, even the LE ones (like the Kara on KS).
I was referring to the Studio McVey Limited Edition Line (the miniatures of various genre miniatures) being 35mm.
mike
Hi Mike,
Really appreciate you posting here about this release. I have a couple of questions about the kickstarter:
1. Are the stretch bonuses per pledge or per copy of the game? e.g. I pledge $190 for two copies (one for me and one for a friend) will we get two sets of 12 extra troopers, or just the one? (I'm obviously assuming the $60k level as a given here).
2. Any possibility of adding an option to buy four sets all at once? (Our interest is mostly contingent on the answer to the previous question I guess).
Cheers,
Steve
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Post by: Delephont
kenshin620 wrote: ........people are entitled to their own opinion.
Yep, of course, and that was my opinion of his post, which you have so graciously confirmed, I'm entitled to have.
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Post by: Alpharius
Let's endeavor to stay on target here, please.
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Post by: Studio McVey
angryboy2k wrote:Studio McVey wrote:zedmeister wrote:All miniatures in the set are 28mm
Though, Mike has said the limited edition resins are 35mm. Wonder what the scale the limited Kara that comes with this is?
Just to clarify - all Sedition Wars miniatures are 28mm, even the LE ones (like the Kara on KS).
I was referring to the Studio McVey Limited Edition Line (the miniatures of various genre miniatures) being 35mm.
mike
Hi Mike,
Really appreciate you posting here about this release. I have a couple of questions about the kickstarter:
1. Are the stretch bonuses per pledge or per copy of the game? e.g. I pledge $190 for two copies (one for me and one for a friend) will we get two sets of 12 extra troopers, or just the one? (I'm obviously assuming the $60k level as a given here).
2. Any possibility of adding an option to buy four sets all at once? (Our interest is mostly contingent on the answer to the previous question I guess).
Cheers,
Steve
Hi Steve - I'm more than happy to answer any questions about the game I can. If they are tool rules technical - I'll prod Rob Baxter (the game designer) and get him to chip in.
1. If you pledge 'We've got Movement!' ($190) - it means you get two of everything you would get at the 'Biohazard' $100 level. So two copies of the game, two LE karas, two vanguard patches, etc - and two sets of all the stretch goals linked to the Biohazard level pledge.
Clear?
2. Not sure. I'll check with cmon and get back to you.
cheers!
mike
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Argh, so many cool board games... this is more tempting to me than Zombicide, so will be watching with interest!
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Post by: Alpharius
RiTides wrote:Argh, so many cool board games... this is more tempting to me than Zombicide, so will be watching with interest!
No doubt!
I suspect my willpower will eventually fade, and I'll commit...
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Post by: BrookM
I know I'm going to cave in sooner or later, I just need to see some extra stretch goals before I dive in, just like with Zombicide.
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Post by: Alpharius
BrookM wrote:I know I'm going to cave in sooner or later, I just need to see some extra stretch goals before I dive in, just like with Zombicide.
Same here!
And since this is being done by some of the same people behind Zombicide, I think the stretch goals will be similarly attractive and drive this game up to the $700K + territory.
The only 'downside' is that we'll probably have to wait a while to see all the goals...
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Post by: Platuan4th
Tempted to go for a Biohazard level. I'll think about it and decide by mid-June.
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Post by: Ravenblade666
Alpharius wrote: I suspect my willpower will eventually fade, and I'll commit...
Sadly mine didn't even last the long, about 3 hours after it went on Kickstarter but the models look amazing, been keep
tabs on this since it was previewed on Beasts of war.
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Post by: Dysartes
Mike has put up a blog post regarding the design of the Vanguard Samaritan Troopers.
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Post by: zedmeister
Right, there I go. I've caved and am upgrading for a full $100 biohazard set. Now to convince my GW only gaming chaps to try something new Edit - nearing the 60K stretch!
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Post by: whalemusic360
I jumped in about 3 hours in, maybe less. I'd seen, and almost got some of the minis before, this sold it for me.
Mike - I did order the LE Kara's Last Stand mini on Cmon (it appears to be fully different from both in the ks). Is it the same scale, or larger?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Me too. I have come close to buying the Strain models in the past, but the idea of getting tons of them in plastic was enough for me to pledge. The idea of getting a second squad once it hits 60K was enough for me to up my pledge to Bio-Hazard.
I guess it was good coming into Zombiecide in the last 3 days, as everything was revealed. We've got a long way to go for this one...
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Post by: kenshin620
60k has now been surpassed!
When is the next update
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Probably not till tomorrow.. it's the middle of the night over there in the UK, and I'm sure the McVey's are fast asleep
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Update #3: $60k stretch goal hit! Roll in the reinforcements!
Reinforcements have arrived! Each Biohazard level and above pledge gets an additional squad of 12 vanguard troopers thrown in for free! Time to contain that infection!
The Infection markers in all games will be upgraded from paper to plastic. If we hit this goal, we'll open a tool for these nifty tokens and improve Alabaster immensely for everyone!
This is a great, super clear design to show which of the Vanguard are suffering the early stages of nano-infection! We're sure you'll agree, much snazzier than putting a paper chit on the base.
Also upgraded will be the Nano counter, which doubles as an objective marker.
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It might not be the most exciting goal, but I think the change from paper to plastic will greatly enhance the quality of the product
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Post by: whalemusic360
I'm looking forward to more minis as streach goals, but imo this will make it a solid product. We will have plenty more shots, I'm guessing we'll have a few more of the other current metal models transform into plastic. Hopefully some more unique models to boot.
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Post by: Dysartes
whalemusic360 wrote:Mike - I did order the LE Kara's Last Stand mini on Cmon (it appears to be fully different from both in the ks). Is it the same scale, or larger?
If that's the Studio McVey resin LE figure, then it is probably a larger scale than the models in the game - 35mm instead of 28mm.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Hopefully the next one will be another set of Strain minis, or more tiles.
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Post by: odinsgrandson
Dysartes wrote:whalemusic360 wrote:Mike - I did order the LE Kara's Last Stand mini on Cmon (it appears to be fully different from both in the ks). Is it the same scale, or larger?
If that's the Studio McVey resin LE figure, then it is probably a larger scale than the models in the game - 35mm instead of 28mm.
You know, I have a pretty tough time telling the difference between 'heroic' 28mm and the 30/32/35mm minis.
From what I've seen, they're about the same size, but you'll have to change the base. The LE resin mini's base is 40mm, and the Sedition Wars characters are on 25mm bases.
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Post by: Pacific
Dysartes wrote:whalemusic360 wrote:Mike - I did order the LE Kara's Last Stand mini on Cmon (it appears to be fully different from both in the ks). Is it the same scale, or larger?
If that's the Studio McVey resin LE figure, then it is probably a larger scale than the models in the game - 35mm instead of 28mm.
He said earlier in the thread mate
Mike McVey wrote:Just to clarify - all Sedition Wars miniatures are 28mm, even the LE ones (like the Kara on KS).
I was referring to the Studio McVey Limited Edition Line (the miniatures of various genre miniatures) being 35mm.
mike
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whalemusic360 wrote:I jumped in about 3 hours in, maybe less. I'd seen, and almost got some of the minis before, this sold it for me.
Mike - I did order the LE Kara's Last Stand mini on Cmon (it appears to be fully different from both in the ks). Is it the same scale, or larger?
It's larger. I know it's confusing and I apologise! The original LE Lieutenant Kara Black (the miniature that started it all - now long sold out - http://studiomcvey.blogspot.co.uk/2009/12/lt-kara-black.html) - was in the Limited Edition resin line and is 35mm, and the Kara's Last Stand piece is a conversion of that.
Neither are in the Sedition Wars line. They are resin painter/collector pieces.
mike Automatically Appended Next Post: kenshin620 wrote:It might not be the most exciting goal, but I think the change from paper to plastic will greatly enhance the quality of the product
I'm super-happy we've announced this goal. It's something I desperately wanted get in the game. We planned for it - then the realities of production costs hit and the plastics had to be replaced with card.
The infection counters are really great - they snap on to the bottom of the base and are stackable - as the infection spreads you get more.
The nano tokens are also going to be cool - they are going to be tooled in transparent green plastic. They represent the cloud of nano virus in the game.
I know they don't seem as exciting as more minis - but they will make the game so much cooler.
mike
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Post by: grey_death
Scratching together some funds for the $100 level. Thankfully there is plenty of time left on the campaign .
So happy to see your success with the game. Strain is one of the coolest sci-fi lines I've seen in a long time. Can't wait to get my dirty mitts on a set!
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Thanks for the clarification. I'll just have the Last Stand painted up as a showcase model.
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Post by: Panic
yeah, kenshin620 wrote:$80 nets you the base game (which at retail will be $90)
gilljoy wrote:$105 usd shipped to the uk for a copy of the game? I'm very tempted
Ok in UK money this works out at
Kickstarter price of the basic boxed game - £51
Retail price of the basic boxed game - £57
KickStarter price basic box shipped to the UK boxed game price is £67
Biohazard extras boxed game in the US - £63
Biohazard extras boxed game shipped to the UK - £80
Approximate price Via a discount retailer in the UK - £40 to £50
So If I get the basic boxed game I'll save around about £20 waiting for this to be released in the UK and just popping down to DarkSphere and getting there... plus I'm not preordering so my money stays with me for longer
Motograter wrote:Looks interesting though why only in america, It is cheap to import into the uk but for a uk based game its a bit of an oddity.Think for now I will have to pass
TheSecretSquig wrote:... My only question is on the P&P. Seeing as McVey Studios is in the UK, why the $25 P&P?
ThomasPolder wrote:it's produced by CMON so either US production or asian production with US main distro. shame. I'd've liked cheaper shipping to mainland EU too :(
I've messaged CMON on kickstarter asking if they can do something about it?
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:I'm watching this with interest. As with Zombicide, stretch goals may prove if I jump in or not, but I'm already tempted with just what they have come up with so far.
Same here, I jumpped into zombiecide to get the extras that were KickStarter only.
I'm also waiting to see what the extras are that are only available via KickStarter before I decided to back this.
With zombiecide I wanted access to the extra characters.
At the moment the best option for me is to wait and buy it from a UK discounter once released because the Biohazard preorder does not sing " I'm worth the extra £30-40 " yet.. They are really being hamstrung by the $25 postage...
I'm not sure if they can offer the cameo noveties like zombiecide did and extra models are nice but not nessessary to play a boxed game... assuming you get enough to play all scenarios.
So the extras have to be something very special! to get my preorder...
Panic...
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Some additional, larger scenarios to go with the extra troops would be a nice touch
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Panic, did you figure in VAT there yet? US prices are ex. that...
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Panic wrote:yeah, kenshin620 wrote:$80 nets you the base game (which at retail will be $90)
gilljoy wrote:$105 usd shipped to the uk for a copy of the game? I'm very tempted
Ok in UK money this works out at
Kickstarter price of the basic boxed game - £51
Retail price of the basic boxed game - £57
KickStarter price basic box shipped to the UK boxed game price is £67
Biohazard extras boxed game in the US - £63
Biohazard extras boxed game shipped to the UK - £80
Approximate price Via a discount retailer in the UK - £40 to £50
So If I get the basic boxed game I'll save around about £20 waiting for this to be released in the UK and just popping down to DarkSphere and getting there... plus I'm not preordering so my money stays with me for longer
.
I'm in exactly the same boat unfortunately. I definitely want this game, and will buy it. But, with the shipping charge, even with the nice extras it makes more sense to ignore the kick-starter and just wait for the general release.
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Post by: Panic
yeah, Pacific wrote:Panic wrote:...So If I get the basic boxed game I'll save around about £20 waiting for this to be released in the UK and just popping down to DarkSphere and getting there... plus I'm not preordering so my money stays with me for longer .
I'm in exactly the same boat unfortunately. I definitely want this game, and will buy it. But, with the shipping charge, even with the nice extras it makes more sense to ignore the kick-starter and just wait for the general release.
Indeed, and the other thing to remember is that they are missing out on the impulse buys.. we are all very excited by this now. but when time comes to buy later and your standing in the shop along side the newest GW releases, they might look more attractive than the game everyone was talking about 3 months ago.. If they scrap the international postage they can have my preorder, other than that they have to show me more shiny stuff to get me to sign up ThomasPolder wrote:Panic, did you figure in VAT there yet? US prices are ex. that...
honestly nope! But I figure we should expect that It'll have to get paid no matter which method you go for.. KickStarter price basic box shipped to the UK boxed game price is £67 + vat Biohazard extras boxed game shipped to the UK - £80 + vat Approximate price Via a discount retailer in the UK - £40 to £50 +vat Unless we are lucky enough to some how avoid it during delivery... some packages get held by customs for Vat some don't... Panic...
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Panic wrote:At the moment the best option for me is to wait and buy it from a UK discounter once released because the Biohazard preorder does not sing " I'm worth the extra £30-40 " yet.. They are really being hamstrung by the $25 postage...
I'm not sure if they can offer the cameo noveties like zombiecide did and extra models are nice but not nessessary to play a boxed game... assuming you get enough to play all scenarios.
So the extras have to be something very special! to get my preorder...
Panic...
Thanks for those numbers... you've made me stop and actually think quite seriously about my pledge. One thing you did forget is that we will likely be stung by customs for another 20% import VAT and the post office handling fee. So if you've gone for the $100 package you'll be paying an extra $20 for the VAT (20%), plus £5 post office handling. *ouch!* Somehow I doubt CMoN will cover the VAT charges in the postage costs... I'd be pleasantly surprised if they did though!
[update] you beat me to it... I would imagine a package the size and weight of this game will be stopped at customs and charged VAT. They would be daft not to...[/update]
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yeah, endtransmission wrote:we will likely be stung by customs for another 20% import VAT and the post office handling fee. So if you've gone for the $100 package you'll be paying an extra $25 for the VAT (20%), plus £5 post office handling. *ouch!* Somehow I doubt CMoN will cover the VAT charges in the postage costs... I'd be pleasantly surprised if they did though!
[update] you beat me to it... I would imagine a package the size and weight of this game will be stopped at customs and charged VAT. They would be daft not to...[/update]
yeah the vat plus postoffice fees if you get caught will push the cost of those extras towards the £40ish mark endtransmission wrote:Some additional, larger scenarios to go with the extra troops would be a nice touch
Indeed treating it like a limited edition mini expansion pack would go some way towards making the extra £40+ seem worth while. Extra troops for both sides and new boards/objectives/missions. But at the moment it's just 12 extra guys... which you dont need for the basic game. Panic... multi edits: I'm all out of sync with previous posts!
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Panic wrote:yeah, endtransmission wrote:we will likely be stung by customs for another 20% import VAT and the post office handling fee. So if you've gone for the $100 package you'll be paying an extra $25 for the VAT (20%), plus £5 post office handling. *ouch!* Somehow I doubt CMoN will cover the VAT charges in the postage costs... I'd be pleasantly surprised if they did though!
[update] you beat me to it... I would imagine a package the size and weight of this game will be stopped at customs and charged VAT. They would be daft not to...[/update]
yeah the vat plus postoffice fees if you get caught will push the cost of those extras towards the £40ish mark endtransmission wrote:Some additional, larger scenarios to go with the extra troops would be a nice touch
Indeed treating it like a limited edition mini expansion pack would go some way towards making the extra £40+ seem worth while. Extra troops for both sides and new boards/objectives/missions. But at the moment it's just 12 extra guys... which you dont need for the basic game. Panic... multi edits: I'm all out of sync with previous posts!
Hmmm. You raise some interesting points and I didn't even consider the VAT charges. One could wonder that a huge crate will turn up for UK delivery and customs may decide some or even all of them get a charge against it. I think I'll downgrade to the $25 pledge - at least that is free postage and you get some snazzy artwork and a limited resin model. Also it depends on the courier. Who does CMON use? If its someone like UPS or FedEx, they might get around those random royal mail fees. Depending on what else is offered in future stretch goals, I may upgrade back to a biohazard, but I think I'll wait for the box to be available in the UK (Maelstrom). I'll get the limited stuff with my $25 postage free.
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I've messaged CMoN on Kickstarter to see if the $25 postage will cover the VAT or not. I suspect not, but it's worth asking the question.
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Post by: Grot 6
Do those other minis from Studio McVey work in the game?
Which ones, aside from the ones in this gameset am I looking to get additionally for the game?
I really like those other ones, that are in the areas of the website.
Anyone picked up any? How do they look, out of the box, and how do they paint up?
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Post by: CURNOW
pledged for the biohazard set even with VAT its a bargin
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endtransmission wrote:Some additional, larger scenarios to go with the extra troops would be a nice touch
I wonder how the scenarios are set up. Do the scenarios each have pre-set force builds (ala Space Hulk) or do you customize your own forces through some kind of point-buy system? If that's the case, then an extra 12 troopers could do quite a bit to add flexibility to the scenarios.
At the moment, I don't think we know much one way or the other.
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Post by: Platuan4th
I pledged at the $100 level.
Cause I'm weak.
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Post by: Panic
yeah,
Not that weak... If I lived in the US I thinkI'd already be down for BioHazzard too...
It just doesn't seem right that a game being designed by a UK company is being sold at a higher price to UK residents. CMON should swallow the shipment costs to get the product here in bulk and distribute from McVey HQ.
Panic.
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Post by: CURNOW
what that man said!!!
how much would p+p be in the uk £5 at most ?
any idea where there being produced ..im guessing china ?
so why cant some crates be diverted to the uk ? especialy as some will have to be a few weeks later anyway to be sent out to uk shops.
i realise where would be costs to repackage and deliver but it dose seem a kick in the teeth to have to pay $25 on top of the 20%vat and import tax and handleing fees and the fact we will proberly have to wait a extra week at least to get it after the US :[
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Post by: angryboy2k
Studio McVey wrote:
Hi Steve - I'm more than happy to answer any questions about the game I can. If they are tool rules technical - I'll prod Rob Baxter (the game designer) and get him to chip in.
1. If you pledge 'We've got Movement!' ($190) - it means you get two of everything you would get at the 'Biohazard' $100 level. So two copies of the game, two LE karas, two vanguard patches, etc - and two sets of all the stretch goals linked to the Biohazard level pledge.
Clear?
2. Not sure. I'll check with cmon and get back to you.
cheers!
mike
Thanks for the info, Mike!
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Post by: Delephont
I wonder if part of the qualification for using Kickstarter is that products need to be distributed from the US.
Nah, no matter how you swing it, it does seem a little off.
I understand that Kickstarter is a US based thing, and yet, it seems they are happy to accept money from anywhere in the world.....I hasten to add, this "rant" is at Kickstarter not Studio McVey.
Perhaps a good will gesture from Studio McVey to its UK supporters would be to "arrange" something to close out the excessive costs associated with being a UK citizen.....I mean, after all, they've gone way beyond their original project funding price....give a little love back to your UK fans.
(Before anyone says it, NO I haven't pledged any funds!!)
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Post by: drone9
Problem is, once they start offering UK shipping, every other European customer (like myself) would request a shipping option from UK as well. Not only should that bring down shipping cost, but customs would also be avoided. I really I don't see this happening.
Since it looks like a fun game and I'd like to support McVey I have pledged at Biohazard level. Seeing the game become a better product through upgrades like the plastic markers stretch goal makes pledging worthwhile imo.
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Post by: BrookM
$25 for shipping world-wide is a bargain when compared to other companies out there shipping across the pond. Just so long as the parcel won't be intercepted by customs and given a hefty taxation because of the extras..
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Panic wrote:yeah,
Not that weak... If I lived in the US I thinkI'd already be down for BioHazzard too...
It just doesn't seem right that a game being designed by a UK company is being sold at a higher price to UK residents. CMON should swallow the shipment costs to get the product here in bulk and distribute from McVey HQ.
Panic.
That's a good one!
As it is, so far you're 'only' really missing out on the 12 additional figures - figures which may not actually have a use in the game.
Someone else already pointed out how it might actually be cheaper to get the game when it is released in the UK!
This successful Kickstarter (provided they don't pull it for some unknown reason at some later date, of course!) means that the game WILL happen - thanks to a lot of fans around the world, but maybe mainly in the USA...
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Post by: whalemusic360
I see the great catch in there. people will only contribute if there is cool extra stuff, but there is only cool extra stuff if people contribute. Need some more 1500 perks up there, they went very fast.
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Post by: CURNOW
well if you break down the cost of the bits included its still stupidly cheap
the game in the UK will cost you £63.76 +£15.94 p+p
minus the cost of a patch say £4
and the cost of the ltd ed kara fig say £10 {the 35mm ones are £12.99}
the signed print of the cover art {not sure on the size ..lets say A4 } £5
if we make the plastics 50% of the cost of the resin/metal ones then we have..
Vanguard miniatures
•Kara =£3.25
•Morgan =£3.25
•Akosha =£2.99
•Drone Tank (50mm base) about the same size as a carapice =£10.50
•Male Samaritan with Laser Rifles x 12 = £3.99 ea
•Female Grenadier x 2 = £3.99 x2
•Male Reaver Heavy x 2 = £3.99x2
•Female Lancer special x 2 =£3.99x2
TOTAL =£91.50
Strain miniatures
•Phase 1 - 1 Big arm x 7 =£4.50
• Phase 1 - 2 Claw hand x 7 =£4.50
•Phase 2 - 1 Stalker x 4 = £4.99
•Phase 2 - 2 Quasimodo x 4 = £6.50
•Phase 3 - 1 Scythe Witch x 2 = £6.50
• Phase 3 - 1 Brimstone (50 mm base) x 2 = £8.50
•Phase 4 Grendlr (50mm base) = £12.50
•Phase 5 Cthonian (50mm base) new but same size as grendlr = £12 .50
TOTAL = £163.96
PLUS the strech target +12x vangard = £47.98
so this comes to £325.43
plus you get all the tokens .tiles and the game its self....
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
No new stretch goal yet, but a splotlight on the tiles...
Update #4: Sedition Wars tile design
Posted about 1 hour ago We are just pitting the finishing touches on a couple of the tiles, but I thought we would give you a sneak peek.
There were a few different routes we could take with the tiles. When we did the alpha rules we created a poster map that was rendered in a hi-tech blue-print style. While I loved it, it wasn't quite the look I wanted for the finished game. I wanted the tiles to be rendered in a 'realistic' style that made you think you were looking at a real location. I wanted to present Alabaster Station as a definite place - a secret facility that the Strain nano-virus has ravaged and swept clean. The virus consume all organic and non-organic material it comes across - re-purposing it into part of the construct.
In the course of my career, I have been lucky enough to become friends with some incredibly talented people, and the person who did the art for these tiles is one of the most gifted artists I know. Rich Wright worked on a wide variety of products for GW - he did the tile art for Warhammer Quest and Space Hulk 2nd edition, along with most of the 40K vehicle cover paintings in the mid nineties. Since then he's produced matte painting and 3D work for a wide variety of well known projects - the intro scenes for Motorstorm, Muse Sing for Absolution video, and many other high profile projects.
He built the tiles for Battle for Alabaster completely in 3D - lighting and rendering them just as you would with any vfx shot, then importing them into photoshop and adding details, weathering and blood stains. I really love the results.
We purposely kept the designs pretty clean and futuristic - Sedition Wars is a high-tech universe so we wanted to steer well clear of any dark and gothic elements. I didn't want them cluttered with furniture and details - partly because all that would have been consumed by the virus, and partly because it would interfere with game play.
There are ten different tiles, and one transit network car (that's a train!), so that gives you a wide variety of different board set ups. What the pictures here don't really show is the size of the tiles - each is 12x12 25mm squares, so they are 350mm square (including borders) - pretty big! You can link them together in a lot of different ways - creating many different settings for games.
The ones I have shown here are the Cargo Bay, the Personnel area, the Engine Control Room and the Transit Car (you get two of these - there is an awesome scenario that needs both of them).
I hope you like them!
The guy who did Hulk 2nd Ed and Quest? Awesome!
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whalemusic360 wrote:I see the great catch in there. people will only contribute if there is cool extra stuff, but there is only cool extra stuff if people contribute. Need some more 1500 perks up there, they went very fast.
I agree, some more big ticket items can provide some extra leverage
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I'll be honest, I don't have a lot of cash, so the nicer the deal, the more I'm inclined to chip in.
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Of course - and Kickstarter itself may have rules about this so correct me if I'm wrong - there's nothing stopping Mike (or any KS project) from putting up additional Stretch goals long before the current ones are met.
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Post by: zedmeister
New blogpost on Mike's blog about the Samaritan Grenadier. Pics:  And the Samaritan Trooper from yesterday: 
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Post by: Vetric
Must resist.... be strong.... already getting Zombicide and Ogre....
Sigh. My money. Just take it. Time to hide the credit cards before I weaken on the Kings of War kickstarter too....
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odinsgrandson wrote:endtransmission wrote:Some additional, larger scenarios to go with the extra troops would be a nice touch
I wonder how the scenarios are set up. Do the scenarios each have pre-set force builds (ala Space Hulk) or do you customize your own forces through some kind of point-buy system? If that's the case, then an extra 12 troopers could do quite a bit to add flexibility to the scenarios.
At the moment, I don't think we know much one way or the other.
The miniatures have a point cost and you buy them with the budget given in the scenario. Some Campaign scenarios have specific characters involved - so you might start with Kara and get 40 points to spend on whatever else you like.
mike Automatically Appended Next Post: Hey Guys
Sorry I haven't specifically answered any questions on UK shipping - I haven't been ignoring them, we have just been trying to figure out what we can do about it.
I know it's a little weird that UK shipping is more for a UK designed product. Here are the facts of the matter.
The game is being manufactured in the Far East, and shipped to the US for distribution. We are looking into shipping a portion of the production run straight to the UK (time to start looking for a warehouse space, I don't think our attic studio will take it!) - but to do that we need we need to gauge what interest from the UK is like. The only way is will make sense is is we are sending a reasonable portion of the run here - if it's only a few boxes, it just won't work.
It's a bit of a chicken and egg situation. People want cheap shipping before they order, and we need enough orders for it to make sense.
Believe me - I want to have this product in the UK, so I can sell it from my store once it releases!
I'm looking into actual shipping costs today - it's going to be a large and heavy box. It's 36cm x36cm x 8cm, and will weight quite a bit.
Please bear with me and I'll get you answers asap - we are trying to get this sorted out.
mike
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Post by: PhantomViper
Thanks for all the info. And for taking the time to answer our questions
Well, for what its worth, if you do manage to get part of the shipment to go to the UK you can count with another order at least (mine), as it stands, what's stopping me from pledging right now isn't the extra 25$ shipping, its the amount that I would have to pay on top of that if the package was stopped by customs!
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PhantomViper wrote:Thanks for all the info. And for taking the time to answer our questions
Well, for what its worth, if you do manage to get part of the shipment to go to the UK you can count with another order at least (mine), as it stands, what's stopping me from pledging right now isn't the extra 25$ shipping, its the amount that I would have to pay on top of that if the package was stopped by customs!
Agree with this. If it was definitely just $25 it wouldn't be a big deal, but the risk of having to pay another £25-50 to get it through customs is what is stopping me contributing. If there was a UK option, I'd definitely be in for the Biohazard level.
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Post by: Pacific
That's great to hear Mike, I'm sure if the shipping issue is sorted out that will make a big difference to pledges from UK customers!
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Post by: Delephont
Bloody hell, even I'm tempted by this if the shipping is sorted.....I can hear Endtransmission laughing, even as I type this.
I'm a sucker, I know.
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Post by: endtransmission
I'm in absolute hysterics
Mike, thanks for having a look at the postage question. I don't think the $25 dollars is a problem, it's more a concern about import duties being slapped on top of everything else as most UK people won't even consider this
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Post by: RiTides
Cool that you posted here to address the shipping question!
Will be watching this space 
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Post by: Bolognesus
and it's not just the UK, but all of the EU. shipping from the UK would both be cheaper and not incur customs duties anymore. it'd make the sale to me for sure
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Post by: AlexHolker
What is the sprue layout going to be like? Will the models be made available separately in the future?
I.e. If I was looking for just a squad or two of the female Samaritans and the specials, will that be an option at some point?
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Post by: Erasoketa
I already jumped in, but yeah, if customs can be avoided via UK, it would not be only cheaper, but easier. Paying customs is a PITA not only for the money, the bureaucracy can be worse sometimes.
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Post by: Studio McVey
AlexHolker wrote:What is the sprue layout going to be like? Will the models be made available separately in the future?
I.e. If I was looking for just a squad or two of the female Samaritans and the specials, will that be an option at some point?
The miniatures will not be on sprues - but bagged as they are produced.
We definitely have plans for releasing the miniatures separately at some point - no firm date in that though, just concentrating on the game at the moment.
mike
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Post by: Necros
I was just about to ask about the sprues, thanks for reading my mind and answering ahead of time I just remembered reading that there was some assembly required with the figures.. will they mostly be single-piece sculpts and you just stick the figure on the base? Or will some have a few parts to stick together (and be good for conversions)?
Any plans for the next stretch goal as we climb up toward 80k?
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Post by: Panic
yeah,
Mikes on the case. Huzzah!
I'm pretty much in at this point : )
Now I'm really Looking forward to seeing how the stretch goals line up.
Panic...
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Post by: BladeWalker
I might chip in for the miniatures as it gets closer to the end. I'd like to see more about the game play because the tiles (while beautiful) appear to just be open spaces for the most part. More info on movement and combat in the game would help me to decide. There is a good chance I will get this game just for the miniatures (like Zombicide) especially if they add more models as stretch goals. Good gameplay would be a nice bonus though... :-)
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Post by: Studio McVey
Necros wrote: I just remembered reading that there was some assembly required with the figures.. will they mostly be single-piece sculpts and you just stick the figure on the base? Or will some have a few parts to stick together (and be good for conversions)?
Any plans for the next stretch goal as we climb up toward 80k?
The piece count varies - I tried to keep it to a minimum without compromising the dynamics. The Vanguard troopers are 2-piece models, the two Strain phase 1s are single piece as is the Quasimodo (the one with a gun growing out of it's back. The Scythe Witch is two-piece, the Brimstone is 5 piece (I think - there were some changes due to tooling), the three Vanguard characters are 3-4 parts each. The Cthonian is five parts and the Grendlr is quite a few more... I just didn't want to compromise the Grendlr at all.
The multi part ones have been engineered to fit together easily though - with some of the parts being push-fit.
We have plans for Stretch goals past 80K.... I just can't believe we are nearly there after four days!
mike Automatically Appended Next Post: BladeWalker wrote:I might chip in for the miniatures as it gets closer to the end. I'd like to see more about the game play because the tiles (while beautiful) appear to just be open spaces for the most part. More info on movement and combat in the game would help me to decide. There is a good chance I will get this game just for the miniatures (like Zombicide) especially if they add more models as stretch goals. Good gameplay would be a nice bonus though... :-)
We're working on a game-play vid at the moment - we also have a thread going over on Board Games Geek where Rob Baxter (then game designer) is answering questions -
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/807905/any-hint-of-rules-anywhere/page/2
It is fun though - promise!
mike
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Post by: TheSecretSquig
I've already said it once on this forum but I'll say it again......
I've full confidence in Mike and Ally delivering what I think will be a game of exeptional quality and playability. If it was anything less, they wouldn't have their names on it!
It will be great if the P&P issues for the EU can be sorted, but if they're not, you've still got my $125 and I'm really looking forward to getting my paws on the game.
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Post by: BladeWalker
Thanks Mike! It will be a pleasure to put the paintbrushes on your minis again.
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Post by: Erasoketa
Re-viewing the Kickstarter video, and thinking about the infection markers, I've realized that I haven't fully understood the factions involved. The video speaks about workers who started a revolution, and about the Vanguard marines. Then something happens in Alabaster, where this infection breaches. Do the Strain control the infection, and so they can infect the Vanguard? Or the infection is more like an enviromental force and none of the players can control it? Are the Strain and the workers the same faction, or maybe the workers are used by the Strain? How would the two new factions you're planning relate to the existing ones?
And on a gameplay level, I see you can have more than one infection markers per model. I guess that when a mini reachs a certain number, it dies. Do the markers have additional effects? Like making them slower, weaker...
Cheers!
Maybe some of the answers are in the video, but my listening skills aren't very good in English, sorry :S
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Post by: Delephont
Erasoketa wrote:Re-viewing the Kickstarter video, and thinking about the infection markers, I've realized that I haven't fully understood the factions involved. The video speaks about workers who started a revolution, and about the Vanguard marines. Then something happens in Alabaster, where this infection breaches. Do the Strain control the infection, and so they can infect the Vanguard? Or the infection is more like an enviromental force and none of the players can control it? Are the Strain and the workers the same faction, or maybe the workers are used by the Strain? How would the two new factions you're planning relate to the existing ones?
And on a gameplay level, I see you can have more than one infection markers per model. I guess that when a mini reachs a certain number, it dies. Do the markers have additional effects? Like making them slower, weaker...
Cheers!
Maybe some of the answers are in the video, but my listening skills aren't very good in English, sorry :S
From following the original fluff, the Vanguard and the Firebrand are in conflict, as I understand it, the Strain is something "particular" to this research station, and essentially something the Vanguard need to "deal" with. I don't think the Firebrand actually play a part in this slice of the Sedition Wars setting.
Of course, the game and the setting is new, so much could have been changed as the setting is evolving.....
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Post by: Erasoketa
Delephont wrote:
From following the original fluff, the Vanguard and the Firebrand are in conflict, as I understand it, the Strain is something "particular" to this research station, and essentially something the Vanguard need to "deal" with. I don't think the Firebrand actually play a part in this slice of the Sedition Wars setting.
Of course, the game and the setting is new, so much could have been changed as the setting is evolving.....
Oh, I see, so I take that the Firebrand are those workers I was talking about. Is that faction where miniatures like the Conscript Terrorists and the Drone Troopers would fit in?
Thanks a lot!
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Post by: mattyrm
Looks really cool, and this is from a somewhat semi-serious hobbyist with nothing other than 3k points of Space Marines...
I am going to check if the Long Haired colonel minds me buying more minis... but I reckon im in as well.
One question, well, i suppose it turns into about 10!
Do they take the cash instantly? And if the shipping thing gets worked out, will it be subtracted? I'm somewhat ignorant of how kickstarter works..
The only reservation I have.. is not even the 25$ extra.. its the fiends who work in customs, who stole my last item (a pair of bloody Mizuno running shoes!) which I bought off ebay cos they were £90 here, but worked out at only £65 in the states back when the dollar was low, and when it came, customs charged me £17 to get it anyway!
If the fethers lump £30 on top of my box.. the rage will be immense!
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Post by: Erasoketa
mattyrm wrote:Looks really cool, and this is from a somewhat semi-serious hobbyist with nothing other than 3k points of Space Marines...
I am going to check if the Long Haired colonel minds me buying more minis... but I reckon im in as well.
One question, well, i suppose it turns into about 10!
Do they take the cash instantly? And if the shipping thing gets worked out, will it be subtracted? I'm somewhat ignorant of how kickstarter works..
The only reservation I have.. is not even the 25$ extra.. its the fiends who work in customs, who stole my last item (a pair of bloody Mizuno running shoes!) which I bought off ebay cos they were £90 here, but worked out at only £65 in the states back when the dollar was low, and when it came, customs charged me £17 to get it anyway!
If the fethers lump £30 on top of my box.. the rage will be immense!
The payment is made htrough an Amazon.com account. Kickstarter doesn't take the money until the day the project is funded (30th of June, in this case). Also, if it doesn't reach the minimum objective (that was $20000) the funding fails and they don't get any money. But they have exceeded that minimum, the project is going good so you would be charged on June 30th.
I have the same fear than you about customs
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Post by: zedmeister
80K stretch reached! Blimey, someone went for the $5k reward
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Post by: mattyrm
feth it then, I will have talked the missus into it by June 30th, Ill take the plunge in the hopes that it spurs everyone else on, and we get enough for a UK drop off and everyone in the EU can rejoice.
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Post by: Erasoketa
zedmeister wrote:80K stretch reached! Blimey, someone went for the $5k reward
WTF? People's nuts xD
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Post by: BrookM
Shhh, not nuts, but most generous!
I'm amazed that all limited top-tier deals have sold out so soon!
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Post by: Erasoketa
BrookM wrote:Shhh, not nuts, but most generous!
I'm amazed that all limited top-tier deals have sold out so soon!
Well, I'd actually pay for that kind of things, if I could afford it. But I would have to be really rich to say myself I can afford that
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Post by: kenshin620
zedmeister wrote:80K stretch reached! Blimey, someone went for the $5k reward
Some people really like this product then!
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Post by: zedmeister
Since we're humming along now and opening new tools left and right, the Phase 1 Strain models could do with some alternates!
If we hit this stretch, every game will get a horrific alternate sculpt of a Phase 1 Strain model. If you didn't have a reason to keep firing before, you sure do now!
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Post by: kenshin620
That was fast, updating page!
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Post by: TheSecretSquig
$100k Stretch Target is up....................
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Post by: endtransmission
Erasoketa wrote:BrookM wrote:Shhh, not nuts, but most generous!
I'm amazed that all limited top-tier deals have sold out so soon!
Well, I'd actually pay for that kind of things, if I could afford it. But I would have to be really rich to say myself I can afford that
Yeah, if I'd had the money I would have definitely bought that top slot... a day of painting lessons from Mike would be awesome and well worth the cost.
I can't wait to see what the next stretch goal is... and how many more stretches we can reach in the next 32 days. I still can't believe it's only been 4 days...
Looks like I was too slow. That next stretch is looking really disgusting... in a good way
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Too many people trying to update at the same time!!!!
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Post by: Studio McVey
Erasoketa wrote:Re-viewing the Kickstarter video, and thinking about the infection markers, I've realized that I haven't fully understood the factions involved. The video speaks about workers who started a revolution, and about the Vanguard marines. Then something happens in Alabaster, where this infection breaches. Do the Strain control the infection, and so they can infect the Vanguard? Or the infection is more like an enviromental force and none of the players can control it? Are the Strain and the workers the same faction, or maybe the workers are used by the Strain? How would the two new factions you're planning relate to the existing ones?
And on a gameplay level, I see you can have more than one infection markers per model. I guess that when a mini reachs a certain number, it dies. Do the markers have additional effects? Like making them slower, weaker...
Cheers!
Maybe some of the answers are in the video, but my listening skills aren't very good in English, sorry :S
Sorry - it can be a little confusing.
Here's a quick summary of what's going on. The Vanguard are battling at the edge of occupied space to put down the Firebrand rebellion - a slave army who have risen up against their SolCon masters. Firebrand researchers are working on a benign nano-tech system in Alabaster Station - when *something* happens, and they are wiped out by The Strain - a nano virus that consumes and re-shapes organic and non-organic materials into the Strain construct.
I just posted a fiction piece on the blog - http://studiomcvey.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/outbreak.html
So strictly speaking - the Firebrand are in this game - just not in their usual form.
In the game, Vanguard models can become infected with the Nano virus and this is indicated with infection counters (now plastic!) - as the infection spreads they gain more counters until…. MUTATE!
mike
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Post by: Bolognesus
...and if this does well we'll see similarly priced games/expansions with similar numbers of similar quality models, only then with those firebrand guys in it? nice!
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Post by: whalemusic360
For the 100k point, is that an extra model, or simply replacing one of the current models in the box? I'm hoping it's extra. Extra is always good.
Really need to see more of the "elite" levels. $100-$300 at a time will only go so far.
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Post by: Erasoketa
Studio McVey wrote:Sorry - it can be a little confusing.
Here's a quick summary of what's going on. The Vanguard are battling at the edge of occupied space to put down the Firebrand rebellion - a slave army who have risen up against their SolCon masters. Firebrand researchers are working on a benign nano-tech system in Alabaster Station - when *something* happens, and they are wiped out by The Strain - a nano virus that consumes and re-shapes organic and non-organic materials into the Strain construct.
I just posted a fiction piece on the blog - http://studiomcvey.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/outbreak.html
So strictly speaking - the Firebrand are in this game - just not in their usual form.
In the game, Vanguard models can become infected with the Nano virus and this is indicated with infection counters (now plastic!) - as the infection spreads they gain more counters until…. MUTATE!
mike
Wow thank you very much!! It looks really good. And yes it must be definitely fun if your models can mutate and change the curse of the game really fast
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Post by: kenshin620
whalemusic360 wrote:For the 100k point, is that an extra model, or simply replacing one of the current models in the box? I'm hoping it's extra. Extra is always good.
Really need to see more of the "elite" levels. $100-$300 at a time will only go so far.
Its just like the first stretch goal I assume, only alt sculpts
Though why do I get the felling that a 120k goal is gonna be more strain models
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Post by: Vitruvian XVII
Dayum! Where did i put my card....
Seriously this is looking epic, big fan of your work Mike and this is gonna be awesome from what i can see. Massive props.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Studio McVey wrote:The multi part ones have been engineered to fit together easily though - with some of the parts being push-fit.
Be they easy to put together or not, please ensure you avoid the mistakes of Super Dungeon Explore and have some sort of assembly instructions included. Almost every review or opinion of SDE I read (and I share this opinion) basically said that the game was fantastic, but putting the models together was an absolute nightmare.
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Post by: scarletsquig
Quick question that I'd like to know before getting involved:
- Are there any plans to expand Sedition Wars into a tabletop game?
Similar to how Dust Tactics was a tile-based board games to start with, but is expanding into a tabletop game?
The main appeal of this for me would be the great-looking plastics, but I'm not all that big on board gaming, so I'd only really be interested for miniatures, which I'd ideally want to use in a tabletop game later down the line.
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Post by: Piston Honda
scarletsquig wrote:Quick question that I'd like to know before getting involved:
- Are there any plans to expand Sedition Wars into a tabletop game?
I asked that on page 1 or 2 of this thread... maybe 3? Too lazy to look.
Mike said that if the game is successful enough the game will eventually become a skirmish game (I assume just like Malifaux, Infinity, etc). Measuring tape, terrain, templates, etc.
I would look forward to something like. I love the fluff and art of this game.
Deciding whether or not I should double up and 2 of everything with a 200 dollar donation.
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Post by: Studio McVey
H.B.M.C. wrote:Studio McVey wrote:The multi part ones have been engineered to fit together easily though - with some of the parts being push-fit.
Be they easy to put together or not, please ensure you avoid the mistakes of Super Dungeon Explore and have some sort of assembly instructions included. Almost every review or opinion of SDE I read (and I share this opinion) basically said that the game was fantastic, but putting the models together was an absolute nightmare.
This is something we have thought about a lot - and it's not quite as easy as you would assume...
Here's the issue - I send the miniatures away for tooling in one form, but they have to change a little to suit the process. Part counts change and the way they fit together can also alter. I won't see the actual final pieces until the production process is underway - and at that point it's too late to get diagrams done and inserted into the boxes. The deadlines we are working to are frighteningly tight...
The solution I came up with was to have diagrams done as soon as the final pieces are available - and make them available on the website in time for launch. There will be a paragraph to this effect in the rule book and a link to follow to get the diagrams.
I hope that will be okay with people. We have also done a lot to make sure the assembly will be easy, and some of the parts will be push-fit.
mike
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Studio McVey wrote:Here's the issue - I send the miniatures away for tooling in one form, but they have to change a little to suit the process. Part counts change and the way they fit together can also alter. I won't see the actual final pieces until the production process is underway - and at that point it's too late to get diagrams done and inserted into the boxes. The deadlines we are working to are frighteningly tight...
That makes sense. I have to assume that the same problem affected SDE as well... only in their case it hurt quite badly as those models were deceptively complicated.
Studio McVey wrote:The solution I came up with was to have diagrams done as soon as the final pieces are available - and make them available on the website in time for launch. There will be a paragraph to this effect in the rule book and a link to follow to get the diagrams.
That sounds perfect. If it's in the book then we don't have to go and randomly find it on tabletopgamingnews (as I did with SDE) and then start posting the picture everywhere. Just be sure to mention what type of glue you need. I know that sounds trivial and obvious, but, again, the SDE models were hell to put together, and if someone hadn't told me that you needed super-glue I wouldn't've figured it out until I was knee deep in plastic cement fumes!
I guess that explains why the SDE expansions are coming with the models already assembled...
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Post by: Makaleth
100k, nice, happy to be supporting this, good luck on much more!
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Post by: SirAngry
Hey everyone, just want to let you all know that Mike McVey is awesome and has kindly agreed to donate a copy of the full Sedition Wars game on my Blog. You can read details Here:
http://thefrontlinegamer.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/575-followers-time-for-another-giveaway.html#more
Basically when my Blog gets to 625 followers I'll post a competition giving followers a chance to win the game...
and as somebody who has games tested it extensively, I can tell you it is well worth owning.
Cheers
Frontline Gamer
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Post by: Alpharius
Stretch goals that have more 'free' miniatures in them will whip the crowd-funding... crowd...into a pledging frenzy, much like we saw with Zombicide and Ogre.
I fully expect more Free Miniature Stretch Goals any second now!
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Makaleth wrote:100k, nice, happy to be supporting this, good luck on much more!
Hey you finally joined in! More Strain models and more tiles!
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Post by: angryboy2k
I wonder what will happen to the existing ranges of Sedition Wars miniatures on Studio McVey's website. I'm kinda tempted by them at the moment.
Some of the Vanguard look to have been remastered in plastic, while I think ALL of the strain are remasters of the resin range. Will the range ever be released now in metal, Mike?
Cheers,
Steve
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Post by: odinsgrandson
I thought the strain were already released in metal.
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Post by: angryboy2k
odinsgrandson wrote:I thought the strain were already released in metal.
Nope. They're available in resin.
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Post by: SirAngry
angryboy2k wrote:I wonder what will happen to the existing ranges of Sedition Wars miniatures on Studio McVey's website. I'm kinda tempted by them at the moment.
Some of the Vanguard look to have been remastered in plastic, while I think ALL of the strain are remasters of the resin range. Will the range ever be released now in metal, Mike?
Cheers,
Steve
As far as I'm aware the current Vanguard range is metal, and the Strain range is resin. And considering I own them all I should know.
Maybe they've changed since I picked my stuff up, but that's what mine are made of.
Hope that helps.
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Post by: Hulksmash
I wish the some of the Strain big base models were cheaper. They'd make some great stand-in's for ogryns and such in a chaos ig army
Either way I'm definitely down. I'll be donating for at least the Biohazard level in the next week.
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Post by: angryboy2k
SirAngry wrote:angryboy2k wrote:I wonder what will happen to the existing ranges of Sedition Wars miniatures on Studio McVey's website. I'm kinda tempted by them at the moment.
Some of the Vanguard look to have been remastered in plastic, while I think ALL of the strain are remasters of the resin range. Will the range ever be released now in metal, Mike?
Cheers,
Steve
As far as I'm aware the current Vanguard range is metal, and the Strain range is resin. And considering I own them all I should know.
Maybe they've changed since I picked my stuff up, but that's what mine are made of.
Hope that helps.
I'll rephrase. Some of the metal (originally released in resin) Vanguard have been remastered in plastic for this boxed game release. ALL of the Strain models in this box are based on the (currently available) resin models available at Studio McVey. What we've not seen is a metal release of the Strain (compared with the Vanguard and Firebrand models, which have all been released in metal). I'm wondering now, given the boxed game, whether we'll ever see such a release.
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Post by: Studio McVey
angryboy2k wrote:SirAngry wrote:angryboy2k wrote:I wonder what will happen to the existing ranges of Sedition Wars miniatures on Studio McVey's website. I'm kinda tempted by them at the moment.
Some of the Vanguard look to have been remastered in plastic, while I think ALL of the strain are remasters of the resin range. Will the range ever be released now in metal, Mike?
Cheers,
Steve
As far as I'm aware the current Vanguard range is metal, and the Strain range is resin. And considering I own them all I should know.
Maybe they've changed since I picked my stuff up, but that's what mine are made of.
Hope that helps.
I'll rephrase. Some of the metal (originally released in resin) Vanguard have been remastered in plastic for this boxed game release. ALL of the Strain models in this box are based on the (currently available) resin models available at Studio McVey. What we've not seen is a metal release of the Strain (compared with the Vanguard and Firebrand models, which have all been released in metal). I'm wondering now, given the boxed game, whether we'll ever see such a release.
The Strain are actually available in metal - but only from CMON. I kept them in resin in he UK as I knew they were going to be converted to plastic for there game.
We'll keep the metal lines on sale and add to them after the game comes out. All of the new miniatures in the game (Samaritans, Cthonian, Hurley), will be available separately at some point.
mike
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Post by: Erasoketa
It's over 90000!
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Post by: palaeomerus
I pledged for the "We've Got Movement" level. It's two biohazards.
I think that means two games box sets, two signed prints, and a total of 126 figures (so far) including the two resin figures
Pretty sweet! I look forward to November!.
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Post by: rabidaskal
I'm in, game looks great and the level of involvement displayed by the creators is fantastic.
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Post by: Panic
yeah,
I emailed CMON on kick starter to see if they can do something about the postage to the UK.
I got a reply;
CoolMiniOrNot wrote:We're looking into it, but can't commit to that right now. If we do ship from the UK, the cost will still be around $25 per box due to the additional VAT and customs shipment charges into the UK, but at least you won't have to deal with HMS Customs on your end.
Avoiding Customs and Royal mail hold ups would be nice.
I hope they can divert enough boxes to the UK to avoid the 'additional shipment charges' that would be great.
the US kick starter price pays for internal postage, so once the boxes are in the UK our internal postage should be paid too?
we as UK customers should only have to deal with Vat.
Starting to get tempted.
Panic...
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Post by: CURNOW
Panic wrote:yeah,
I emailed CMON on kick starter to see if they can do something about the postage to the UK.
I got a reply;
CoolMiniOrNot wrote:We're looking into it, but can't commit to that right now. If we do ship from the UK, the cost will still be around $25 per box due to the additional VAT and customs shipment charges into the UK, but at least you won't have to deal with HMS Customs on your end.
Avoiding Customs and Royal mail hold ups would be nice.
I hope they can divert enough boxes to the UK to avoid the 'additional shipment charges' that would be great.
the US kick starter price pays for internal postage, so once the boxes are in the UK our internal postage should be paid too?
we as UK customers should only have to deal with Vat.
Starting to get tempted.
Im reading that as it will arive Vat and import duty paid allready? so maybe just the handleing charge?
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Post by: SirAngry
I think the response to the Sedition Wars Kickstarter has been nothing short of phenomenal. I really do. I had a sneaky suspicion it'd do well... just not this well. I'm genuinely pleased for Mike and Ali. It's nice when good things happen to good people.
I've backed at the Biohazard level.
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@Curnow if your VAT is paid there is no need to pay import duty, and if either are paid then HMRC should not be charging a handling fee for something they haven't had to 'handle'. So I'd guess if the $25 on top of the backing us UK backers have had to make includes some for of tax payment we won't be hit by any further nasty surprises.
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Post by: Panic
yeah,
They are saying that if they manage to send some boxes to UK, customers in the UK wont have to pay $25 international postage.
But since we are still liable for VAT (which is currently at 20%) the $25 international fee will cover that plus additional shippment costs.
So at biohazzard level UK VAT is $20 so we will be paying the $5 extra for local shipping.
I've mentioned to CMON that the US price includes free shipping and the should apply in the UK too... but that's only $5
If that makes sense?
If its confirmed that the $25 will pay for Vat and all import issues and charges. I'll pledge.
Panic...
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Post by: CURNOW
Yeah that makes sense if that is the case then that will be great.
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Post by: mould2k
Well that would make me far more likely to back the project.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Panic wrote:I've mentioned to CMON that the US price includes free shipping and the should apply in the UK too... but that's only $5
Why should it apply to the UK as well? Why not everywhere?
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Post by: IdentifyZero
Mike is a great guy, he used to email with me and has given me some cool sedition wars stuff in the past. As soon as my money is in I will be pledging!
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Anyone know if shipping to Canada needs to pay extra money?
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Post by: Panic
Yeah, H.B.M.C. wrote:Panic wrote:I've mentioned to CMON that the US price includes free shipping and the should apply in the UK too... but that's only $5
Why should it apply to the UK as well? Why not everywhere?
I agree that in an ideal world postage should be free for all or non. I disagree with the free postage to only the US since that means everyone else is subsidising the Americans...
well my primary concern was to myself and the fact the game is designed in the UK, that's why I worded my emails the way I did as it seemed like the way I'd have the most success.
Everyone else also has a voice and is free to use it for themselves.
Panic...
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Post by: zedmeister
Posted by Mike on the kickstarter:
Sorry I haven't been posting here much - just been incredibly busy with the game.
I have actually been shooting footage for a game-play video today - hopefully we'll be able to get that assembled and posted in the next few days.
Still working on the UK postage thing, I'm hoping an announcement is close...
Thanks for the continued support - it's really incredible!
mike
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Panic wrote:well my primary concern was to myself and the fact the game is designed in the UK, that's why I worded my emails the way I did as it seemed like the way I'd have the most success.
Yeah but it's being distributed from the US. That's where the shipment is going (or will go). If it was getting shipped to... I dunno... South Africa I'd expect people in the US to pay shipping.
Panic wrote:Everyone else also has a voice and is free to use it for themselves.
Ok... 
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Post by: AlexHolker
H.B.M.C. wrote:Panic wrote:I've mentioned to CMON that the US price includes free shipping and the should apply in the UK too... but that's only $5
Why should it apply to the UK as well? Why not everywhere?
Because the game is being made by an alliance of a UK business (McVey) and a US business (CMoN).
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Post by: Bolognesus
@McVey
if you get a few crates to GB, please make that the distribution point for all of the EU as well. it'd save us a tonne of customs duties too. don't mind paying another $10 or so for that but it'd make this KS too attractive for me to ignore ^^
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Post by: Delephont
I think we might be getting a bit carried away with the shipping charges etc, Mike has already explained that the manufacturing force behind the game is CMON, so regardless of where the game is designed, we have to consider that it is essentially a US product.
Maybe the way forward for eveyone would be to make free shipping worldwide another "stretch" target. I mean, it looks like product goodies are maxed out right now, and although free worldwide shipping won't attract US based supporters, it will attract many more "Rest of world" supporters....so in a way that target will pay for itself.
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Post by: Bolognesus
free won't work. 19-21% VAT (depending on which EU member state) is pretty much insurmountable, I fear.
I don't really mind that $25 shipping/VAT charge anyway (as long as that's all-in!) and would rather have more goodies. hey, that's what makes these kickstarter/indiegogo campaigns so much fun
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Post by: Zwan1One
zedmeister wrote:Posted by Mike on the kickstarter:
Sorry I haven't been posting here much - just been incredibly busy with the game.
I have actually been shooting footage for a game-play video today - hopefully we'll be able to get that assembled and posted in the next few days.
Still working on the UK postage thing, I'm hoping an announcement is close...
Thanks for the continued support - it's really incredible!
mike
Just saw that in the comments before coming over here. Looking forward to that video. Will be very important to the rest of the kickstarter! How many other kickstarters have shown gameplay videos during the fundraising? I like how confident studio mcvey and CMoN are with this product. I will be donating to this in the coming weeks when pay comes in.
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Post by: whalemusic360
Close to that 100k mark, any hints at whats next?
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Post by: Thunderfrog
If only there was a way to get double Strain sets. I like them for Tyranid stand-ins.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Hell, anyone feel like trading?
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Post by: Platuan4th
Thunderfrog wrote:If only there was a way to get double Strain sets. I like them for Tyranid stand-ins.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Hell, anyone feel like trading?
You can get all the Strain models but the Cthonian from the Mcvey Studio site.
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Post by: kenshin620
Platuan4th wrote:Thunderfrog wrote:If only there was a way to get double Strain sets. I like them for Tyranid stand-ins.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Hell, anyone feel like trading?
You can get all the Strain models but the Cthonian from the Mcvey Studio site.
He probably would like to have them though as the plastic sets (especially price wise) I assume
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Post by: CURNOW
im sure there will be loads of people swaping ..im trying to get my mate to buy a set just for that reason lol
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Post by: GeekPride
that looks rather awesome!
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Post by: BladeWalker
More awesome female sculpts please. (That could push the approval button with she who must be obeyed.) :-)
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Post by: Pacific
Mr. McVey, a request if I may..
For all the many kids in the UK who fretted and fussed trying to copy your painted models in 'Eavy metal, and then cried tears of frustration when their own models looked like they had been painted by a deranged baboon with a mashed crayon wedged between its butt-cheeks by comparison - please, try and sort out this UK postage thing !
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Post by: Dysartes
Just over $500 to go to the $100k mark.
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Post by: zedmeister
100k stretch reached!
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Post by: RogueRegault
Erasoketa wrote:Rob Baxter talks a couple of times about influences in the new blog entry. Then I wonder if this lady inspired something...
So is the secret of the Sedition Wars that The Strain are actually Jesus in Purgatory?
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Post by: Erasoketa
RogueRegault wrote:So is the secret of the Sedition Wars that The Strain are actually Jesus in Purgatory?
We will never know that, it will open to our imagination
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Post by: kenshin620
Updated the title, though I guess its silly to since McVey will update with the next stretch soon
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Post by: Platuan4th
Excited for the next stretch.
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Post by: zedmeister
New stretch goal:
So... like some of you have guessed, the new stretch is...
What better way to celebrate having a cool new Strain sculpt than to have TWELVE additional Strain models? Every Biohazard set gets this additional pack of the horrors if we hit this stretch goal!
Check these guys out!
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Arg! Ninja'd by zedmeister!!
My question now is: Will this additional batch of Strain minis include the alternate sculpt from the previous stretch goal?
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Post by: Erasoketa
Yay more minis!! Excellent ^^
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Post by: kenshin620
Hmm yea i predicted as much since you cant have more of one side and not more of the other
This kickstarter is becoming a better deal by the day
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Post by: Alpharius
kenshin620 wrote:Hmm yea i predicted as much since you cant have more of one side and not more of the other
OK, so what's the next stretch goal after this one then, Seditradamus?
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Post by: whalemusic360
H.B.M.C. wrote:Arg! Ninja'd by zedmeister!!
My question now is: Will this additional batch of Strain minis include the alternate sculpt from the previous stretch goal?
It specifically mentions the alt sculpt, so I'd venture a yes.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I'm still holding out for a second set of tiles, but that's just my tile-centric bias coming across!
Probably a second hover-tank.
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Post by: zedmeister
Nah, I reckon we may see Barker Zosa making an appearance depending on funding:
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Post by: Platuan4th
H.B.M.C. wrote:I'm still holding out for a second set of tiles, but that's just my tile-centric bias coming across!
Probably a second hover-tank.
Personally, I want a 2nd Cthonian Phase 4.
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Post by: kenshin620
Alpharius wrote:kenshin620 wrote:Hmm yea i predicted as much since you cant have more of one side and not more of the other
OK, so what's the next stretch goal after this one then, Seditradamus?
Additional big things like the Tank and the Level 4's seem appropriate 
Although Tiles to house all of the extra minis would be nice too
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Post by: brettz123
Just backed looks like a REALLY good deal now.
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Post by: Erasoketa
With the addition of that minis the game leaves the Space Hulk size, we have two small armies there... Nice!
Edit: the $120k reward is working, over $2000 in about one hour.
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Post by: sparkywtf
Man, with the new goal and awesome extras, I am really tempted to bump up to the 190 level, but I really don't need 2 sets of the game.
If I didn't have such an expensive week when the kickstarter is over it would be a non issue
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Post by: BrookM
More zambies? Damn it, now I know I can't hold back any more, bye-bye piggy bank.
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Post by: Saxon
I've just pledged from the UK anyway as it still seems good value even with 25 dollars for postage - not sure what the fuss is about.
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Post by: Pacific
I think it was regarding whether or not the parcels were likely to get stung at customs or not...
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Post by: BrookM
I think it was mentioned a few times that the $25 shipping includes taxes, customs and whatnot.
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Post by: PhantomViper
BrookM wrote:I think it was mentioned a few times that the $25 shipping includes taxes, customs and whatnot.
You have to pay the taxes and customs in the country that you are importing into, in my case Portugal, for example.
I highly doubt that CMoN would go check every single purchasers country, check their respective VAT / custom tariffs and then go out and pay them...
The extra 25$ is for mailing expenses only.
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Post by: CURNOW
Panic wrote:yeah,
I emailed CMON on kick starter to see if they can do something about the postage to the UK.
I got a reply;
CoolMiniOrNot wrote:We're looking into it, but can't commit to that right now. If we do ship from the UK, the cost will still be around $25 per box due to the additional VAT and customs shipment charges into the UK, but at least you won't have to deal with HMS Customs on your end.
Avoiding Customs and Royal mail hold ups would be nice.
I hope they can divert enough boxes to the UK to avoid the 'additional shipment charges' that would be great.
the US kick starter price pays for internal postage, so once the boxes are in the UK our internal postage should be paid too?
we as UK customers should only have to deal with Vat.
Im reading that as it will arive Vat and import duty paid allready? so maybe just the handleing charge?
PhantomViper wrote:BrookM wrote:I think it was mentioned a few times that the $25 shipping includes taxes, customs and whatnot.
You have to pay the taxes and customs in the country that you are importing into, in my case Portugal, for example.
I highly doubt that CMoN would go check every single purchasers country, check their respective VAT / custom tariffs and then go out and pay them...
The extra 25$ is for mailing expenses only.
well they would only have to check each country once so i can see it being that much of a problem tbh.
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Post by: PhantomViper
@CURNOW
Please fix your quotes, they make it quite hard to see what you are saying.
What CMoN are talking about in that quote is that IF they did manage to send some crates to the UK instead of the US then probably the costs would still be 25$ but people wouldn't have to deal with customs (including people in other EU countries).
But as it stands NOW, the 25$ shipping cost only covers the actual shipping from the US to wherever and the buyers would have to pay VAT / custom tariffs on top of that if the package was flagged by customs in their country...
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Post by: mattyrm
Yeah if we dont get a drop off in Europe, we are going to get raped by customs.
$25 is fine for shipping, but a small parcel from the states cost me $30 in customs last year.
Alternatively, it costs me nothing when the missus gets her mom to send us stuff, so maybe get the blokes packing them up to write "gift" on the postage form!
I mean, we aren't "buying" it per se are we? Its more like a donation to support a hobby start up.. so maybe we can get a legal work around and he can ship them as presents that we just happened to donate $125 for.
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Post by: sparkywtf
You know, there is some merit to that argument.
Why not have it sent your wife's mom then have her send it as a gift? (unless it is still in Europe, then that would just cost more)
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Post by: Grot 6
These sculpts are nothing short of perfect. I hope they come as crisp as they look in the pictures. 
Why are the games not shipped to the UK, then sent out at UK prices from in country?
All you have to do is tally up the number of supporters per country, then send them the amount of games. VA third party.
I could see a startup gameing community as in various preplayed games supporters.
Get a centeral supporter, give them some love as in an extra boss, or something, then get the players of the game together and keep each other informed, play, whathave you.
That central supporter can be a supporting game store, affiliate, or whathave you.
Point being as was pointed- Your doing a kickstarter, for a game. Why not use it as a secondary to startup gameing clubs, supporters.... As we did back in the day.
worked smash with D and D. GW didn't do hard either.
THIS game, is begging for a strong support community.
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Post by: Dysartes
zedmeister wrote:Nah, I reckon we may see Barker Zosa making an appearance depending on funding:
At the minute, I'd be surprised to see that happen.
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Post by: Bromsy
....fighting the urge to jump to the 190 level. Its only an extra 90 bucks... and so many more minis....
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Post by: kenshin620
I dont remember if this was already posted, but TGN has an interview with McVey. Mostly basic stuff but a nice read
http://www.tabletopgamingnews.com/2012/06/01/59731/
Bromsy wrote:....fighting the urge to jump to the 190 level. Its only an extra 90 bucks... and so many more minis....
Do eet!
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Post by: insaniak
CURNOW wrote:well they would only have to check each country once so i can see it being that much of a problem tbh.
It's not a matter of them checking what applies in each country. There is simply no way for the sender to sort out whatever fees will apply, as Customs will contact the receiver, not the sender, if anything needs to be paid.
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Post by: His Master's Voice
I'll kick it as soon as they make sure European supporters get the packages from within the EU. I can pay an extra $25 as long as I don't have to pay an extra $30 or more on top of that.
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Post by: kenshin620
Woo halfway to $120k. I can smell those extra strain right now
I do wonder if this can beat zombiecide though. That game grew like 50k almost daily near the end
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Post by: Bolognesus
insaniak wrote:CURNOW wrote:well they would only have to check each country once so i can see it being that much of a problem tbh.
It's not a matter of them checking what applies in each country. There is simply no way for the sender to sort out whatever fees will apply, as Customs will contact the receiver, not the sender, if anything needs to be paid.
you might be surprised to learn this but they don't actually do that by dice roll. they actually follow known, published rules for that
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Post by: endtransmission
I got a reply from CMoN basically saying that they are actively investigating the European postage situation, but that if it doesn't get resolved each parcel's value will be listed as the actual production cost, not the bid value in order to reduce the vat we will need to pay, which is a good compromise and shows they are trying to think of ways to sort the situation for us.
Sadly as a business, they wouldn't be able to send them marked as a gift and maintain the insurances and what not
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Post by: AlexHolker
endtransmission wrote:Sadly as a business, they wouldn't be able to send them marked as a gift and maintain the insurances and what not
It's not the insurance that would be worrying me, it's the government accusing you of committing customs fraud. Saying you gave CMoN a "gift" of $100 and they sent you a "gift" of a game in return isn't going to fly.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Is it like this all the time when people from the UK order from outside of the UK?
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Post by: odinsgrandson
kenshin620 wrote:Woo halfway to $120k. I can smell those extra strain right now
I do wonder if this can beat zombiecide though. That game grew like 50k almost daily near the end
Yeah, and this is so far from the end.
We'll see. I was thinking that Zombicide might have a broader audience (of both hard core and casual gamers) while this is a little more hard strategy. But Zombicide wasn't this high early on.
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Post by: mattyrm
Yeah it wont touch zombiecides cash in my opinion, not that I am interested in ZC or anything, I've personally only ever been a bit interested in the whole zombie thing, you know, Ill watch a movie if its on TV or something but that's about it. Millions of people are into the whole zombie thing though, have you seen how many people go on those weird ass zombie walk things!? I think there is less broad appeal in a proper sci-fi board game.
That said, while I doubt it has as much appeal, but I can definitely see a gak load more people getting involved, especially if they get an EU drop off sorted.
H.B.M.C. wrote:Is it like this all the time when people from the UK order from outside of the UK?
Is it like what?
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Post by: insaniak
ThomasPolder wrote:
you might be surprised to learn this but they don't actually do that by dice roll. they actually follow known, published rules for that
No, i'm fully aware that there is a set process that this sort of thing follows. Hence my post.
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Post by: IdentifyZero
If you get the 2x Biohazard package, you get 2x the bonuses right? I'm considering getting 2 just for all the extras and I want to make sure.
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Post by: Dysartes
IdentifyZero wrote:If you get the 2x Biohazard package, you get 2x the bonuses right? I'm considering getting 2 just for all the extras and I want to make sure.
That's correct, yes.
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Post by: IdentifyZero
Dysartes wrote:IdentifyZero wrote:If you get the 2x Biohazard package, you get 2x the bonuses right? I'm considering getting 2 just for all the extras and I want to make sure.
That's correct, yes.
Now to hope the scale is identical to the metal/resin models they released for this already.
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Post by: Delephont
H.B.M.C. wrote:Is it like this all the time when people from the UK order from outside of the UK?
Well, people are kinda thinking of it like this:
Imagine if a games design studio were based in the town next to you (in Australia) and they got into bed with a company in the US and did a kickstarter, but, in order for you to get the game, you had to pay shipping and import taxes from the US.....
I think people in the UK would be (OK) with the whole shipping thing if it was purely a US product, but people (in the UK) seem to be having a hard time justifying the UK involvement of Studio McVey to themselves. It's (ironically) probably not helping that Studio McVey (at least on Dakka) seems to be the most supportive of the project, I think if someone from Coolminiornot were out on the forums answering questions and drumming up support, people might start to associate the project more with the US contingent rather than the UK side.
Simple as that really.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Delephont wrote:Imagine if a games design studio were based in the town next to you (in Australia) and they got into bed with a company in the US and did a kickstarter, but, in order for you to get the game, you had to pay shipping and import taxes from the US.....
I'd pay the cost of the shipping because it's coming from overseas. Doesn't matter if it was written in the same country as me. It's not being manufactured or distributed in the same country, therefore I'd pay shipping. Using your example, let's pick something even closer to home for me - I wrote part of this and I'll still have to pay shipping on any copy I order. I'm really not seeing what the big deal is here.
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Post by: Studio McVey
Hi Guys
Just a quick update - sorry I haven't posted more in the last few days. It's been a whirlwind this week - can't seem to find the time to do half the things I need to
Still no *official* announcement on the UK shipping issue - but I'm confident it will happen. I promise I will post here as soon as it's gets settled. It all just comes down to quantity - we have to commit to shipping at least half a container from the manufacturer. Then we have to figure out the logistics (import duties, where the hell I am going to keep that much product - the game is in a big-ass box!, etc, etc).
Then we have to finish the actual game - but that's really close. I'm doing a final proof read of the laid-out book and cards (looking great!), organising some alterations to the board art (late decision), re-organising the plastic tools to fit the new variant, approving renders and proofs for the new plastic counters and tokens - and million other things...
Exciting times though!
mike
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Post by: Moopy
Slower than Zombicide and Ogre but I'd be really, REALLY surprised if it does less that $300,000.
To Studio McVey: Put up several more stretch goals if you really want to whip people into a frenzy. Give everyone a long term goal and they'll hit it.
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Post by: Alpharius
Moopy wrote:Slower than Zombicide and Ogre but I'd be really, REALLY surprised if it does less that $300,000.
To Studio McVey: Put up several more stretch goals if you really want to whip people into a frenzy. Give everyone a long term goal and they'll hit it.
Exactly!
I'll be really surprised if this doesn't top $500K.
SF, McVey and good stretch goals = lots of money!
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Post by: Dysartes
Moopy wrote:Slower than Zombicide and Ogre but I'd be really, REALLY surprised if it does less that $300,000.
To Studio McVey: Put up several more stretch goals if you really want to whip people into a frenzy. Give everyone a long term goal and they'll hit it.
Can't speak for Ogre, but at the minute Sedition Wars is going far faster than Zombicide.
According to the information I've seen, it too 18 days for Zombicide to hit the $100k mark - Sedition Wars blasted through that in under a week.
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Post by: mattyrm
sparkywtf wrote:You know, there is some merit to that argument.
Why not have it sent your wife's mom then have her send it as a gift? (unless it is still in Europe, then that would just cost more)
I can't believe I didnt think of that.. I'll call her mom and get it done.. I don't remember if I already paid for postage though.. Did they ask for delivery info on Amazon during the initial pledge?
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I'm really not seeing what the big deal is here.
I've already pledged, most of us have, and if we have to pay an extra 30 bucks customs we will. It's hardly a big deal, and its about saving some cash and there is no harm in asking considering there will be many European buyers. .. What the feths not to get? Do you like paying more than you need to for things! It's not rocket science.
If you were merely being rude and imply that UK buyers are too picky, i would also point out half the people also mentioning it are In other EU countries as well. I only read the last page and both a Dutch and a polish poster expressed a desire for an EU drop.
In fact, it's painfully obvious that anyone who could save money on customs would. So your just trolling right?
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