I found the game worked pretty well with the v1.0 rule set,
and a lot (not all) of the criticism was based on people trying to exploit the ruleset/language (now I know there are people who do so, and if you were playing strangers it would be an issue but in friendly gaming groups I didn't see the problem)
the v2.0 ruleset is pretty different (not necessarily bad thing), and gives the game a very different feel but they really should have addressed the scenarios at the same time
The bit I'm most disappointed by is the non-appearance so far of the solo rules as I have very limited access to others to play with. I hope that the they have priority over the rules for the AoS expansion, as unlike the minis (where it was just a case of commissioning sculptors then sending the stuff off to china) there would be a clear completion for Rob (& now BGGs) time and effort.
The lack of communication doesn't really bother me (a bit more would be nice, but meh), stuff coming late won't arrive any sooner by us being told it will be late.
but it's beginning to sound like part of the roadblock may be CMON (with studio mcvey having to clear stuff they say through them)... I don't know for certain if this is the case, but IF it is I bet others signing contracts with them in the future will need to think long and hard about the terms
Absolutionis wrote: [b] I got everything I paid for at a quality beyond what is normal for this price.
Actually, if you ordered through the Kickstarter, I suspect you do NOT have everything you paid for. I know I sure as heck do not.
I mean it such that I paid a certain amount, and expected "decent" quality. I got "very good" quality. The bang-for-buck on this Kickstarter was great.
I didn't mean it as "I got everything I paid for". I haven't (but I'm confident I'll get it eventually).
I meant it as "Everything I got so far, I paid for and received at a quality well beyond what is common for the cost in miniatures." Eventually, resin stuff will come, and I'm thinking and hoping it'll be on-par with the Biohazard resin Kara, and that'll be even better. $5 for a single high-quality resin mini is a great price!
I think it's still just a second wave, somewhere (hopefully) this year haven't heard anything about further splits (and given the extra shipping cost that would incur, it'd seem unlikely for sure).
Ok, I think it's best if I post this here instead of News and Rumours as most of these will be for the Kickstarter only and not general release. An update from Mike:
Hi guys
Official update on production.
I'm still waiting to find out when the miniatures are going to ship from China.
I know that is not what you want to hear - and please believe me, that is not what I want to say. It's hard to get across just how difficult it is to see something on which you have worked so hard, disappointing and disenfranchising the people who have invested their hard earned money on. Delivering the second wave of rewards to backers is my number one priority - as it always has been, but the sad truth of the matter is it's largely out of my hands. Once I have handed off the masters and print files, it's up to the production company to deliver the goods. All I can do is rant, rage and beg to try and get straight answers and accurate information - both of which are in woefully short supply.
Here's what I can tell you:
We delivered all the masters for the sculpts at the start of the year.
I have approved all the resins of those masters (a vital pre-production step).
I have approved all plastic production samples of those masters - meaning all that was left to be done was to refine the mould lines and produce the required quantity.
The print files for cards were delivered on time.
I approved proofs of all print components.
Printing is complete.
What I am struggling to get information on, is if the plastic production run is complete, or still ongoing. It's a reasonably short part of the process - just a week or two, but I don't know if they are done or not.
As for other rewards:
The Quarantine campaign: This features quite a lot of the wave 2 characters - so there is no point sending that out until the miniatures and cards are in your hands.
The painting DVD: The footage is all done (it was a great deal more work than we anticipated), and Ali and I are very happy with the results. The shots are very clear, and will hopefully be useful. We plan to put out some clips pretty soon.
Solo play rules: Still under development. It will go out as a Beta release when it's ready. I hope that is pretty soon.
That's all I have for you. I'm going to request that an official update is sent out asap too, but we have been waiting on firm information before doing that. What I don't want to do is say X date, and then proved to be a liar (again).
mike
Here's a shot that I compiled featuring all the wave 2 reward miniatures - this will go out in the next official update, but I thought I'd post it here first.
The only things that are missing from this image, are the small drones. They are done too though.
The footage for this is now being compressed from 18 gigs to something more manageable, and will be delivered in HD 720p on data DVDs in mp4 format. Most modern DVD players will be able to handle this format without issue (including consoles), or you will be able to view it on your computer either using the native players or via Videolan VLC Player (http://videolan.org), a freeware multi-format player.
While you'll get a physical disc containing the painting guide, for those of you who prefer it you'll also be contacted via email with links to download it. Do take note that it'll be fairly large, probably taking up about 4 gigabytes of harddisk space or more.
My resin Phaedrus is on the way, but, really liked both old Karas, esp. since they narratively fit together
I own several Karas. Accidentally purchased 4 or 5 of the second version due to a CMON shop F-up.
Been doing some late Spring cleaning and found out at some point I purchased all the old metal minis. Don't remember doing so. Remember seeing the game a year or so before the kickstarter and initial thoughts were if it ever went beyond a work in progress I would take more interest in it.
the smaller miniatures have seemed to keep their size rather well. while larger seemed to have shrunk a bit.
I assume the material used is not very forgiving in hefty sized minis.
I didn't put two and two together realizing the Phaedrus that you were showing was supposed to be the same character that was a KS exclusive or whatever. Crazy.
...then I saw her in the middle of that monstrosity. Awesome.
There's no way I'll be able to paint that thing in a manner that would be worthy of all that detail in the sculpt.
Maybe we will see more on that expansion in the future...
You can unlock your CKPM and add the following only:
Terrain Set $30 per set
Updated Rulebook $3
There are no other options available, you can not change your pledge in any other way (it's all greyed out)
Checkout with Paypal as before.
Remember to hit Save changes and Confirm order if you unlock it even if you don't add anything extra as it remains unlocked and it may delay your shipping if it remains unlocked. Check the green confirmed icon shows on the summary page.
Bacms wrote: Can someone confirm me the exact content of the tarrain pack? Or in other words how much of each do you actually get in that box?
It's on the Kickstarter main page, copied here for your convenience:
Terrain Pack - This was meant to be a set of resin models sold individually to "bling" out Alabaster station, but with the overwhelming response we've decided to tool it in plastic and give you a 100% complete upgrade! Check out what you get below, SEVENTY pieces of terrain! This is expected to ship in March 2013, ships free anywhere in the world.
2 x Exocyst
2 x Necrocyst
2 x Macrophage
2 x Genstation
2 x Spore Engine
12 x Security Doors
12 x Normal Double Doors
12 x Narrow Doors
12 x Crates / Low cover / Terminals
2 x Teleport Control
2 x Havoc Defense Turret
2 x Auto-Doc
6 x Corpse
You can see the multiple pages of FAQ/errata on it so far on the Studio McVey forums. And realize they didn't update the scenarios for the new rules which has caused other issues. And realize they forgot to include some of the errata from the first attempt in the new version...
I am personally hoping they eventually release a set which addresses all the issues being brought up on their official forums.
Alpharius wrote: Hopefully the 'revised rules' also take all of that into account too!
(Also, got a link for the lazy? )
Talk about another major blemish/black eye if they don't, especially after releasing and charging for an 'updated' version!
I am going to be very annoyed if they don't. Specially if they specifically asked for people feedback and said they were going to make sure all issues were sorted before printing the final material .
It does not. It went to print before any of the threads linked above were started.
That is one of the problems. They released the PDF as it went to print, and the only play testing was that allegedly done by the folks who did the revision.
In fairness, the $3 does give you a nice hard copy of rules in a better state than those included in the initial shipment/game. With the new figure cards we are also getting the game should be better than what we currently have.
Unfortunately it is clear they are still not in a 'final' state. I do think the 2nd shipment figures and painting DVD will be great, and do very much look forward to solo rules and a 'fixed' version of the full rules coming out at some point.
Initially I was all "Looks pretty good to me!" but upon closer inspection the details look a little on the soft side.
We'll see, I suppose...
TBH we already know that the photos of the original minis all look pretty crap. specially due to the glossiness of the figures. But looking to the minis we got I am sure they will be fine. Again not the great detail level of the resin masters of soft plastic but more than acceptable for gaming level.
Sirius42 wrote: Not anywhere near the standard I was expecting.... What a let down
I know man, whilst i had no issues with the quality of the 1st wave as boardgame pieces i was expecting rather more from the KS exclusives. Hopefully they are better than those pictures look but this has pretty much killed my enthusiasm for this one. Least the terrain looks ok i guess.
"Here are the pics of some of the models hot off the presses. Note that they've had minimal cleanup, need to be primed (to get rid of the glossiness that hides details) and were shot with a non-studio camera. But we thought you'd like to see them rather than wait for the models to be gussied up!"
Absolutionis wrote: "Here are the pics of some of the models hot off the presses. Note that they've had minimal cleanup, need to be primed (to get rid of the glossiness that hides details) and were shot with a non-studio camera. But we thought you'd like to see them rather than wait for the models to be gussied up!"
Yup, read that but still dissapointing, you take one look at 'not jayne's face and tell me that is right...
Automatically Appended Next Post: Mike has said he will get some production samples and prime them. Maybe that will help.
It's not the mould lines, its a complete lack of definition on Ridleys face and the aforementioned not Jayne, although they all suffer from it. As game pieces they're fine but as Ks exclusives and the models that got me to invest in sed wars they are just not good enough.
Having tried (and failed) to photograph some of the original sedition wars figures (specifically PVC Kara's face) I think it's far to early to be crying over the definition on those faces
It's a lesser version of the problems photographing Reaper Bones figures, the light comes through the thin bits (like noses etc) and you end up with a falsely blured image
Until you've got your own and primed them you can't tell.
I'm fairly certain they'll be a lot better than these pictures suggest
As an aside, my only disappointment is from me expecting these figures to be in resin.
Originally, it was one figure for $10. A later stretch goal 'unlocked' the free strain version of the figure.
I guess with pricing like that, I assumed they'd be resin like the special edition Kara.
As an aside, if they botch up the sculpts on this run of Sedition Wars, nobody will be willing to pay $10 for a single sculpt add-on when the expansion comes along.
Also, why didn't they put up the picture of the Aphid Suit Barker? Of everything with fine fiddly bits that would be harmed by warping, that figure would be hit the worst.
Absolutionis wrote: As an aside, my only disappointment is from me expecting these figures to be in resin.
Originally, it was one figure for $10. A later stretch goal 'unlocked' the free strain version of the figure.
I guess with pricing like that, I assumed they'd be resin like the special edition Kara.
As an aside, if they botch up the sculpts on this run of Sedition Wars, nobody will be willing to pay $10 for a single sculpt add-on when the expansion comes along.
Nod. I didn't expect resin, but I didn't expect that I'd be paying $5/figure for models in that gakky cheap plastic.
Also, why didn't they put up the picture of the Aphid Suit Barker? Of everything with fine fiddly bits that would be harmed by warping, that figure would be hit the worst.
You may have answered your own question, I fear...
Really though, just put on a kettle of water when the postman rings the bell - how bad can it really be? a bit of rebending is doable (and get used to it, this material isn't going away for the next twenty or so years!)
Originally posted on the Studio McVey forums today:
Hi,
So we've hit a fairly crucial point in the development of Sedition Wars.
I'd like to first address the forums and say thank you ~ a thousand times thank you ~ for being so patient, passionate, and forthcoming.
Due to several factors outside the scope of the development of Sedition Wars, we've had to split design priorities.
These factors have unfortunately robbed our focus from addressing issues that prevent you from having a solid and fun play experience.
As of right now, we are gathering all feedback from the the forums, identifying key issues and refreshing the rules revisions.
Our plan is to take the current state of the rules and focus, hone, and streamline all wording and flow to construct a better rules set.
We've made a lot of mistakes, both on the design and planning side. In terms of communication and relating to you, our players, we need to do a better job.
Moving forward we will be doing our best to renew your trust in us. Please understand, we want you to have the best possible play experience we can provide.
In the next few days we'll have a road map to these improvements that I would like to share with you. We want to illuminate our intent and be as transparent as we can with the new process. We want to show you exactly where we see the product heading, not just in the next few months, but hopefully with your support, for years to come.
DaveC wrote: Originally posted on the Studio McVey forums today:
Spoiler:
Hi,
So we've hit a fairly crucial point in the development of Sedition Wars.
I'd like to first address the forums and say thank you ~ a thousand times thank you ~ for being so patient, passionate, and forthcoming.
Due to several factors outside the scope of the development of Sedition Wars, we've had to split design priorities.
These factors have unfortunately robbed our focus from addressing issues that prevent you from having a solid and fun play experience.
As of right now, we are gathering all feedback from the the forums, identifying key issues and refreshing the rules revisions.
Our plan is to take the current state of the rules and focus, hone, and streamline all wording and flow to construct a better rules set.
We've made a lot of mistakes, both on the design and planning side. In terms of communication and relating to you, our players, we need to do a better job.
Moving forward we will be doing our best to renew your trust in us. Please understand, we want you to have the best possible play experience we can provide.
In the next few days we'll have a road map to these improvements that I would like to share with you. We want to illuminate our intent and be as transparent as we can with the new process. We want to show you exactly where we see the product heading, not just in the next few months, but hopefully with your support, for years to come.
Regards,
Rob Baxter.
I'll post more information as and when I get it.
Thank you for posting that, Dave. They have burnt an enormous amount of goodwill from the community, and they will have to do an awful lot to get much of it back. It will be interesting to see how this pans out.
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: Aye programmers are trying to fix. Will probably get the printed pdf.. $3 is no biggie... but for some blinking odd reason I'm tempted by the terrain.
Nod, I tried to do it the other day but saw no way to unlock my pledge or add the rulebook.
With the scenery packs, this is apparently the set:
2 x Exocyst
2 x Necrocyst
2 x Macrophage
2 x Genstation
2 x Spore Engine
12 x Security Doors
12 x Normal Double Doors
12 x Narrow Doors
12 x Crates / Low cover / Terminals
2 x Teleport Control
2 x Havoc Defense Turret
2 x Auto-Doc
6 x Corpse
Does anyone know if that means 4 of each of the crates/low cover/terminals, or 12 each, or what the breakdown is exactly?
Personally, I feel Rob's done some good work clarifying inconsistencies, etc.
The changes since BBG have entered the fray are pretty radical, though, and given how they've dealt with rules questions (saying things directly contradictory with the earlier rulings), it seems like they have a very different view of what the game should be than Rob, which added some instability in the second edition of rules.
I feel like the game's about where it was after the first edition launch, again- 90% there, but with a few serious things in that last 10%. I'm more optimistic than you about working those out, though, since the changes they emphasized all seemed like the right direction.
I am strting to feel tired of empty promises. They said the same last time and didn't solve anything in the end. Let's hope this is it, otherwise I have completely lost my hope
BBG's involvement doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.
And while that may be unfair of me to say, I'm basing it partially off of what I've heard they've done to the rules for the upcoming Confrontation: Phoenix game...
RiTides wrote: Thanks for posting the info, DaveC! (Although your flag confuses me now . Did you move somewhere interesting?)
Nope for some reason Dakkadakka thinks I'm in Austria (and I can't get it to change back) it's not the only site that I visit that this happens so there must be something up with my internet provider.
The new FAQ should be available this weekend the new Errata will take longer - these are interim FAQs and Errata they will be updated weekly based on feedback.
RiTides wrote: Also, I had never heard of Blackball Games before...
They've done very little other than stuff related to CMoN- I assume they've got some connection to someone there. I believe they're also working on the new edition of Confrontation and participated in the Relic Knights rules.
These are in their own words so they will sound a bit corporate spin like
Who is Blackball Games?
Chances are you’ve already played a game developed or designed in some capacity by Blackball Games. Founded by Duncan Huffman and Matthew Hope, Blackball is one of the fastest growing design and development firms in the table-top industry. With the founder's credit roots in popular games from Privateer Press and WOTC, and recent company design credits as varied as Relic Knights, Wrath of Kings, and Sedition Wars, Blackball continues to drive innovation and change the way games are played. In 2012, Blackball acquired the rights to AE:WWII and AE: Bounty from Darkson Designs. Matt Hope was the lead developer on both products for Darkson, and so folding the lines into Blackball Games was a great fit – essentially bringing the games home and rebooting them with an eye on streamlining and longevity.
Over the last two years, we've built over a dozen game systems, and helped companies of all types get their game development projects on track. You may already be playing a game that we helped build, we build a lot of 'em, some of them were the biggest names on Kickstarter.
We also have three miniatures lines and two table-top war game systems we publish ourselves
DaveC wrote:What's getting posted (FAQ and Errata) isn't final it's more of a draft that will be refined weekly with whatever changes are needed until the issues have been resolved so everyone will get the chance to act as playtesters and give feedback to further develop the rules.
Actually Dave, this isn't true, sorry if there is a miscommunication.
The FAQ and errata should be ironclad once posted. The updates are intended to bolster the material and expand on answers when required.
But the intent is that we post 100% final material every time.
Rob.
While I pulled out for other reasons, I'm a bit confused; I had no idea the rules were considered to be in such bad shape. There seem to be many reasons to be leery of what is going on, but the rules?
I'm going to go ahead and buy the rules, because even if i play this game a little bit, the new rules are better than the original ones, and $3 is better than the 40 is would cost to have them printed at Office Max.
I just wish they weren't still in need of going out and downloading a bunch of FAQ stuff. That's one of the things I hate the most about modern 40K rules.
A bit of news: Apparently, CMoN is in the second printing of the game- it's got the new rules and new brighter game tiles by whoever did the Zombiecide ones (printers, not designers).
spiralingcadaver wrote: A bit of news: Apparently, CMoN is in the second printing of the game- it's got the new rules and new brighter game tiles by whoever did the Zombiecide ones (printers, not designers).
At least new buyers are getting a better product. Not that it helps out dumb folks like me that bought an extra set during the kickstarter.
It would have been nice if they at least offered the option to add the new lighter tiles to the pledge manager like they did the new rulebook.
spiralingcadaver wrote: A bit of news: Apparently, CMoN is in the second printing of the game- it's got the new rules and new brighter game tiles by whoever did the Zombiecide ones (printers, not designers).
At least new buyers are getting a better product. Not that it helps out dumb folks like me that bought an extra set during the kickstarter.
It would have been nice if they at least offered the option to add the new lighter tiles to the pledge manager like they did the new rulebook.
Small bit of news the mini drones have been cast in hard plastic rather than restic, the molds took longer to make hence there being no pictures of them with the other wave 2 minis but they are finished and will ship with wave 2 - I still don't know when that is before anyone asks but production is finished and shipping was being booked last week that's as much as I know oh other than the Terrain sets will not be on the that shipment they are 2 weeks behind and will follow on separately if you ordered terrain sets this may delay your shipping a bit longer I say may as I don't know the plan for dealing with this delay. If the shipping has been organised and underway it's likely that they can make the August shipping date although it would probably be the last week of August it's likely that most people won't see wave 2 until September but this is my best guess not something I've been told.
We've got the extra and optional figs in the air to our distribution centers, with the terrain packs to follow shortly in a separate shipment. Once they get into the warehouse and are kitted we'll update again.
(I guess plastic minis are far cheaper to ship by air than huge boardgames, this makes the projected wave 2 dates sound realistic, and may well explain why tiles were not available this time round)
I'm in the same boat. I just want my mini's. Then I'll figure out if I'm going to paint them or just put them in a box somewhere to be discovered by our ape overlords.
Yep. I'd like to want to paint them, or even play the game, but there's too much other stuff to paint that doesn't make me annoyed when I look at it. Just get me my stuff so I can forget about it for awhile.
Azazelx wrote: Yep. I'd like to want to paint them, or even play the game, but there's too much other stuff to paint that doesn't make me annoyed when I look at it. Just get me my stuff so I can forget about it for awhile.
I feel like Relic Knights is going to suffer a similar frustration level overriding the want to play with cool minis effect... it's unfortunate. Some of these campaigns should probably have just stuck to their guns / initial offerings, and resisted the stretch goal syndrome that Kickstarter brings! Using additional funds to better fulfill the initial offerings, rather than add new ones that inevitably add complexity, quality issues, and delays...
...it is easy to say that with 20/20 hindsight, but I think it could just as easily be said that the campaigns wouldn't have been as successful, and the backers wouldn't have been as excited or happy, if that was the case.
Delays are what they are.
As long as the final quality is there, delays are...OK.
That's probably the real lesson to be learned.
Don't cut corners on quality, even if it means...delays!
Like you said, 20/20, but I feel like SW would have been way more successful if they'd released the beta rules as PDF only around or before the KS 1st wave, then had the print rules eventually sent with the second wave.
Even if it had taken longer, a shaky beta and some delays would have probably done better than fewer delays and a shaky 1st edition
I am under the impression, having a passing acquaintance with one of the playtesters, that what he saw, and what came out in the printed game rules were somewhat different.
gunslingerpro wrote: I'm still excited about it. I've yet to play a game, but the terrain will make it an easier sell for some of my friends/aquaintances
My terrain will be painted up (at some stage, but way before the boardgame is played) and stored to use in Rogue Trader et al.
Well, particularly if they're stock of the "first edition", you can't blame them for trying to shift them cheap before the second ed comes out, making those next to worthless. Sadly, I think the godawful quality control (in terms of rules, playtesting, etc more than the figures, warped board and delays, etc) has pretty much killed this game before it had a chance to get going.
Also made it pretty much worthless to try to get rid of if you are having second thoughts.
Literally right now it is still in the box (only opened to inspect the contents), and about the only urge I have for it right now is to use the Vanguard troops and characters for the 40K setting. I figure they would make a really cool Imperial Navy boarding party/etc for games of In the Emperor's Name (an indie ruleset themed in 40K).
From what another disgruntled poster mentioned several months and dozen pages back, he wasn't getting much offered for his copy on the secondary market anyways and was lamenting not getting zombicide as an investment instead. I think personally getting into a KS just to make a profit isn't a sound "business" practice but that is a discussion discussion best left for another thread.
Naw, getting into a KS just to make cash is pretty jerky. It's just unfortunate, though, that if you are having second thoughts and want to pass the game on like me, I figure I'm going to take about a 75% hit on what I spent on the KS, even for a brand new product, because there just isn't much demand for the game, if any.
Thats why I've been hesitant to get in on KS in the past until recently. I'm of the mind that you should get in on one because you should believe in the IP/product AND believe you personally are getting a good value for your money. I liked what I saw in the Warzone KS but didnt see the value as a backer so didn't pledge. If you got a good value in the first place, that takes alot of the sting out of a game that didnt end up taking off post-KS.
AegisGrimm wrote: Naw, getting into a KS just to make cash is pretty jerky.
No, it's not. Nobody loses because unlike a scalper, you are not denying someone else the opportunity to buy the product. If a hundred would-be resellers buy in, they'll just cast an extra hundred of the limited release miniature. The only people acting like jerks in this situation are the manufacturers for expecting people to jump through hoops to buy their product, not the resellers who jump through the hoops so that you won't have to.
AegisGrimm wrote: Naw, getting into a KS just to make cash is pretty jerky.
No, it's not. Nobody loses because unlike a scalper, you are not denying someone else the opportunity to buy the product. If a hundred would-be resellers buy in, they'll just cast an extra hundred of the limited release miniature. The only people acting like jerks in this situation are the manufacturers for expecting people to jump through hoops to buy their product, not the resellers who jump through the hoops so that you won't have to.
May not be the best/safest investment, but why would being willing to shell out your own money in the hopes of making a profit be jerky?
Were folks/companies that bought boxes of GW product, opened them and sold the included bits for a total that was higher than what they paid for the full box also jerky? How about folks who buy comic books with the hope they can sell them later at a profit?
CptJake wrote: Were folks/companies that bought boxes of GW product, opened them and sold the included bits for a total that was higher than what they paid for the full box also jerky?
According to GW, yes. They're now criminals of the 1st degree in the eyes of the giver of plastic!
Barricades are 1 square by 2 squares wide. Crates are just meant to be a 3D objective.
and as I have the dimensions I might as well post them
Airlock - Width (on floor) - 59mm, full height - 47mm, width of door casing - 10mm, width of supports - 23mm
Standard wide - (as above) - 57mm, 44mm, 11mm (no supports)
Mike has the mini drones now as well he hopes to picture them soon but he has other things he needs to deal with first today - they just finished up painting the 3 sets that Studio McVey painted themselves for the top 3 tiers so he needs to photograph these first apparently it was way more work than they anticipated and I wouldn't be surprised if this type of level isn't offered again.
DaveC wrote: Terrain pack close up pictures from Mike,
Barricades are 1 square by 2 squares wide. Crates are just meant to be a 3D objective.
and as I have the dimensions I might as well post them
Airlock - Width (on floor) - 59mm, full height - 47mm, width of door casing - 10mm, width of supports - 23mm Standard wide - (as above) - 57mm, 44mm, 11mm (no supports)
Spoiler:
Granted I don't own the game so I can't talk about the terrain functionality in its intended use... but from a wargame perspective, shouldn't the barricades to door ratio be reversed or at least equal? Does Sedition Wars really use that many doors (36!) in a regular game? That looks like at least two times as many as in the latest space hulk.
Depends on the tile but one of the tile designs has 14 doors on it just by iteself, the barricades have no in game use at this time - there are a few areas of low cover that you could use them for but they are mostly just an added extra for now.
Wow.. 14 on one tile!!? I guess the numbers makes sense then. Without extra barricades it makes the kit kind of useless (except for space hulk) outside of the game but that is and should be a secondary concern. I was thinking of using the doors and barricades to make a scifi defense line for 40k that wasn't so "imperial" so my Tau could use it as well as my IG and SM but no dice.
I will be gluing soooo many of those doors onto MDF buildings etc etc... Nice! it's just that tiny bit of detail a lot of those kind of miss and at a pretty damn good price
Those doors would make for a great "Holodeck on the fritz" table. All you would need is a black table mat with a yellow grid and whatever random terrain you have on hand.
We're all on hands on deck at Gencon at the moment but just before we left we got the 2nd wave figs (less Terrain Pack, it's on another shipment) into our warehouse, and also into Battlefoam. We expect to inventory everything and begin shipping when we get back from Gencon - Europe will start roughly the same time after we've had a chance to coordinate with Battlefoam to ensure no packing errors.
Back from Gencon and gearing up to ship
Update #107 · Aug 20, 2013 · comment
We're back from Gencon, have all the wave 2 packing slips printed and are taking pictures of the contents now to share with Battlefoam to minimize errors on shipping since there are a lot of different options on this wave.
Once that's sorted, packing and shipping will begin - when your shipment goes out you'll get an email with tracking info, and we will send another update when we've finished shipping wave 2, so you won't need to contact us about a missing shipping notification unless we update and state shipping is complete and you haven't gotten anything or a shipping notification.
It's a relief that they're shipping very soon, but I'm rather apprehensive about how fiddly-bits Aphid Suit Barker will turn out. It's the only model they haven't shown a preview of, and it's the model that is most likely to have catastrophic warping problems.
We've got the Biohazard stuff kitted out, and have started shipping. Tracking info will appear via email from Tuesday when we have a chance to batch upload, and probably every other day as stuff gets sent out.
To confirm, EU backers will also be getting resin Karas with this shipment. It is now officially too late to change your address, so please make arrangements to have your mail forwarded.
Project Update #110: Shipping update - hiccup
Posted by CoolMiniOrNot Like
We packed several reward boxes without the deck of cards for the new models included in the Biohazard pack and options, and just caught it in the warehouse. Due to a mistake at the printer, these were not actually shipped to us and we are getting them air-freighted in today, which means we will only be able to continue shipping on Friday.
We actually ordered the extra cards as a combined quantity with the replacement decks you are all receiving for free, but apparently they were not combined but instead printed separately as a separate product. We requested shipments of the replacement decks, believing they were a combined product, and received a deck short of 33 of the cards you'll need to use the additional models.
We've prevented any items from going out as we caught it just in time this morning, so no one should be getting a package short of cards. We're very sorry for the additional delay and are doing everything we can to cut it short.
While I am in a job field where I can see this mistake as something completely out of Mcvey's hands, you kind of have to chuckle when you wonder if anything can actually go smoothly in ANY step of this KS.......*rolls eyes*
We got the extra decks in earlier than expected in the warehouse today, and Battlefoam UK will have them on Monday (barring any issues with UK customs, which we don't expect for printed material). Interrupted shipping resumes!
Terrain Packs are scheduled to arrive September 1st to both warehouses, so there shouldn't be any interruption in shipping as we ship everything without terrain packs first.
No terrain pack for me, so hopefully not too much longer.
Still a little aggravated that they're shipping the ones with terrain packs later, and didn't ever mention that when there was the option to buy them- I might have not bought once, since I'm impatient to see the rules :/
You can download the rules now, and have been able to for a while.
As for the terrain pack folks getting their boxes shipped later (including mine) I don't see what else they should do. They have the labor and stuff on hand to start shipping the ones without the terrain packs, makes sense to do so. Assuming the terrain actually does show up the 2nd or 3rd (the 1st is Sunday, I would be surprised if they actually got a Sunday delivery) the sets with them should ship next week. Not too big a deal and they are at least communicating the delays with us for once.
I VERY seriously doubt they knew they were going to be delayed when folks were ordering them...
I'm sure they can't have known exactly when it would clear customs; that's a fickle and arcane process like no other, completely unpredictable anywhere in the world.
They knew pretty damn well they were cutting it close as all feth though. Still, that's product fulfillment for ya and TBH as long as they're continuously shipping out at a decent pace I don't even mind all that much; they're, what? 5 months late now? Another week won't kill me
CptJake wrote: You can download the rules now, and have been able to for a while.
As for the terrain pack folks getting their boxes shipped later (including mine) I don't see what else they should do. They have the labor and stuff on hand to start shipping the ones without the terrain packs, makes sense to do so. Assuming the terrain actually does show up the 2nd or 3rd (the 1st is Sunday, I would be surprised if they actually got a Sunday delivery) the sets with them should ship next week. Not too big a deal and they are at least communicating the delays with us for once.
I VERY seriously doubt they knew they were going to be delayed when folks were ordering them...
Yeah, I'm pretty critical of CMON and McVey, but like the printer issue (which yes, could have been communicated more effectively) this one isn't something to blame them for.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And gak, we're talking about a week's difference, which is next to nothing at this point.
Bolognesus wrote: I'm sure they can't have known exactly when it would clear customs; that's a fickle and arcane process like no other, completely unpredictable anywhere in the world.
US customs are very predictable. It always takes me exactly 14 days to import anything from Japan once it ships. It's like clockwork.
Same here for customs on packages, at least those delivered to consumers (me, amongst others ). Getting a container through customs can take wildly varying amounts of time. Read back through some of CMoN's earlier updates (for wave 1 SW I believe they aluded to it quite specifically to that, too) for example.
Bolognesus wrote: I'm sure they can't have known exactly when it would clear customs; that's a fickle and arcane process like no other, completely unpredictable anywhere in the world.
US customs are very predictable. It always takes me exactly 14 days to import anything from Japan once it ships. It's like clockwork.
There's a big difference between importing individual packages from various places in the world and bringing in a shipping container for a commercial venture.
Azazelx wrote: There's a big difference between importing individual packages from various places in the world and bringing in a shipping container for a commercial venture.
Agree'd, the shipping container going to a single location should be much easier & quicker.
You'd think so, but no. The way I've heard it explained is that all packages go through a uniform checking process which is sufficiently well-staffed to cover uniformly; containers on the other hand go through randomly-selected spot checks with varying levels of scrutiny often not uniformly applied.
Apparently there's nowhere near enough customs staff to check each and every container as thoroughly and they mix up and randomize the process to such a degree that noone (especially not drug traffickers, for example ) can figure out which container gets deep-scanned and which only gets a cursory examination.
Of course the difficulty in shipping an untraceable package is a lot lower than in shipping an untraceable container which is probably why this is how it goes.
Besides, your two-week package from Japan is most definitely *not* shipped by sea - that's airfreight.
Airfreight has a modicum of priority/expediency expected of it, which customs is calculated not to completely screw up. Sea freight, yeah not so much,
Of course the reason why I have to pay frankly stupid amounts of handling fees on every package which customs tapes even the tiniest invoice onto has more than a bit to do with the personnel required to actually keep this system going as quickly as it does.
...So no, you're completely wrong here.
And really, how is one container easier to ship than one air package? because that would be the correct comparison.
Azazelx wrote: There's a big difference between importing individual packages from various places in the world and bringing in a shipping container for a commercial venture.
Agree'd, the shipping container going to a single location should be much easier & quicker.
Panic...
There's some other aspects to it as well as what Bolo described. Your packages and mine are typically part of the international mail system. They go via air, as already described. Once arrived (here), they go through Australia Post Customs Postal operations where Postal officers and Customs officers work together to identify suspect packages and what gets cleared and what doesn't. When a suspect package is discovered, it typically takes about a week longer to arrive. I've had quite a few in my time, as I've been getting multiple packages from overseas on a weekly basis for many years now. Things like resin miniatures are the sort of thing likely to be picked up on and checked. After they clear customs, they simply become part of the postal system. That same postal system that automatically does a lot of the stuff that needs to be done because the parcels are paid at the counter.
Shipping something like Sedition Wars toys via Sea Freight from China is a vastly different beast. It's also not part of the postal system but instead relies on various international freight companies, filled shipping containers, room on specific ships that also need to cross the ocean in rather a lot more time than the planes who run our air freight, and on it goes.
It seems that for US backers, the wave 2 packages have started shipping already. UK will start shipping today.
Two days ago:
If you're in the UK yes, if you're in the USA then they have already started going out. If you've got Terrain Packs in your order those will ship together with the items when they arrive as mentioned in the previous update.
I'm looking forward to finally unstarring this one from my KS account. I was a lucky one who pledged We've Got Movement (2xBiohazard) and managed to pull $140 for one of the sets on eBay, so I don't feel so bad about paying $50 for the game plus extra figures.
Maybe one of these days I'll get the urge to play it, but even considering how much I was able to recoup of the cost, I regret taking part in it.
If there is one thing I learned from all this, the material used is OK in certain circumstances.
When designing miniatures take into account shrinkage, in particular models that are bulky. This material is not to kind to them.
As much as I hate the clean up process, I can tolerate it for a handful of models for a skirmish game. Mercs or Infinity starter box for example.
It's not worth the time and effort for 50+ miniatures, one of the big reasons I have avoided the Wrath of Kings kickstarter. I ended up missing metal miniatures. However, metal models seems like it is slowly becoming a thing of the past with the costs of metal going up all the time. Game makers are going to have to evolve their craft some how, seems like "restic" will the new flavor for some time.
That all said, I did get a bath tub full of nice looking miniatures and a giant scar on my left thumb.
Thanks. It did seem like it was winding down from the comments. This and the Mantic Kings of War KS (apparently at a similar state of completion and mild disappointment) were the first two that really caught my eye and almost made me take the plunge.
yeah,
No UK post email for me.
:(
Buti have one of every extra character ordered plus terrain plus extra drones.
Panic...
Automatically Appended Next Post: yeah,
No UK post email for me.
:(
Buti have one of every extra character ordered plus terrain plus extra drones.
I've not really looked at the game!
I got burnt out by the excitment, constant bickering, moaning...
I opened the box looked at all my minis, closed the lid and went back to whatever proect I was currently working on.
I think it was more of a case of KS burn out that Sed Wars burn out...
Boo, I'm still waiting on a shipping email for my stuff.
Also, after the figures are out they could always give us the super-cool Quarantine Campaign they promised to backers, which would let us use all the additional figures that the Biohazard level gave us. Still waiting on that one
I know at least 1 person here is affected by this issue, Vokker Dargu is missing from those shipped at the start it's been sorted now if you didn't get him it will follow on separately you don't need to contact CMoN. Anything not shipped yet isn't affected - sometimes it's good not to be first
"Posted Today, 09:05 AM I have just spoken to CMON and Battlefoam and there have been some shipments sent out without the Vokker miniature - this is purely a packing error and nothing to worry about.
If you didn't get a Vokker he will be sent out separately, and all future shipments will include one.
Sorry for the mistake on this - at least it was caught early...
mike "
"You wont have to do anything - they will be sent out to those that were missed initially.
mike "
Automatically Appended Next Post: Wave 2 Unboxing here:(although they are still bagged)
DaveC wrote: I know at least 1 person here is affected by this issue, Vokker Dargu is missing from those shipped at the start it's been sorted now if you didn't get him it will follow on separately you don't need to contact CMoN. Anything not shipped yet isn't affected - sometimes it's good not to be first
"Posted Today, 09:05 AM I have just spoken to CMON and Battlefoam and there have been some shipments sent out without the Vokker miniature - this is purely a packing error and nothing to worry about.
If you didn't get a Vokker he will be sent out separately, and all future shipments will include one.
Sorry for the mistake on this - at least it was caught early...
mike "
"You wont have to do anything - they will be sent out to those that were missed initially.
mike "
Automatically Appended Next Post: Wave 2 Unboxing here:(although they are still bagged)
Slinky wrote: Just received mine - anything in particular people want to see a pic of?
The THI and Aphid suits, please!
Not great pics, sorry...
Automatically Appended Next Post: Aphid suit looks okay - the roll bar parts are all a bit "stressed", but not too bent, looks like it will go together easily enough.
Slinky wrote: Just received mine - anything in particular people want to see a pic of?
The THI and Aphid suits, please!
Not great pics, sorry...
Automatically Appended Next Post: Aphid suit looks okay - the roll bar parts are all a bit "stressed", but not too bent, looks like it will go together easily enough.
Thank you very much Slinky - I appreciate the quick response and, of course, pictures!
And yeah, the roll bar looks about like we expected - but certainly not too bad...
Though somehow hearing that others still haven't gotten a shipping note makes me feel less bad about not having any comms myself.. same with Zombicide, actually.
I sometimes wonder if it's based on when you pledged in the campaign. I pledged the night before it's last day, as that day I figured I would be busy, on account of it being my wedding day.......
It would appear that Battlefoam UK is focusing on shipping Sedition Wars over Zombicide 2 whilst CMoN is doing the opposite.
Plenty of reports from the UK of Sedition Wars being received but nothing about Zc2 where as US is exact opposite.
Both are apparently stretched to the point that they can only focus on one and Battlefoam are really up against it. They've gone very quiet again on this issue though.
DaveC wrote: It would appear that Battlefoam UK is focusing on shipping Sedition Wars over Zombicide 2 whilst CMoN is doing the opposite.
Plenty of reports from the UK of Sedition Wars being received but nothing about Zc2 where as US is exact opposite.
Both are apparently stretched to the point that they can only focus on one and Battlefoam are really up against it. They've gone very quiet again on this issue though.
I haven't gotten my shipping info for either. Hah.
Alpharius wrote: To stop the inevitable waves of "No" responses - please only post about your shipment if you live in the USA and you HAVE gotten a shipping notice.
While I'm not an American, i did receive my SW wave 2 shipping notification late last night at 1:26am. (The Australian orders are coming from the USA, so i don't really know if this is going against your request Alpharius...)
I'm glad to see that CMON are actually sending out the Australian pledges at the same time as the Americans, instead of just throwing us all to the back of the line.
I don't think anyone in the USA has received a shipping notice yet, and I sort of wanted to forestall the avalanche of "Nothing for me yet" posts that were threatening to descend upon us!
AegisGrimm wrote: I sometimes wonder if it's based on when you pledged in the campaign. I pledged the night before it's last day, as that day I figured I would be busy, on account of it being my wedding day.......
I pledged pretty early. But then, I'm a dirty furriner, so I don't know how much that affects it (Reaper springs to mind).
some of the uk backers (those who's packs shipped before the 5th of September will have voka dargu missing he will follow shortly . hopefully not 9mths later like our techcom karas .
Just got my wave 2 tonight, including the firefly crew. The sculpts look good but I'm kind of bewildered, this probably is just me not knowing or paying attention...but they are absolutely tiny - maybe I should have paid closer attention.
I mean River Tam is like the size of one of my kroot model's legs....
So the second wave for Biohazard came for me. Minis are just like the boxed ones, no problems. The blue turrets went together easily.
My issue is I got no updated cards ,just the special wave 2 new models ones....
I know they even listed all biohazards will be given 2.0 version cards since the major update. I know many of you people have had issues with missing pieces, anyone have contact info I can get to get my cards?
str00dles1 wrote: So the second wave for Biohazard came for me. Minis are just like the boxed ones, no problems. The blue turrets went together easily.
My issue is I got no updated cards ,just the special wave 2 new models ones....
I know they even listed all biohazards will be given 2.0 version cards since the major update. I know many of you people have had issues with missing pieces, anyone have contact info I can get to get my cards?
I think they had an issue with the printers not getting the cards done and will be automatically sending out the 2.0 updated cards. There was something about it in the news and rumors section I believe. I'll take a look and see if I'm remembering correctly.
First off, no fair that you got yours. But second off the models are tiny in comparison to GW models. Or have you not really looked at the "good guys" from the set you got already
The Samaritans are actually the same size as Infinity miniatures, which are a reasonable 28mm non-heroic size. If the new models match up with the rest of the Sedition Wars humans, then there really is nothing to worry about. The way you're all talking, I was assuming the Wave 2 stuff is just abnormally small even by SW standards.
The comparison photos I've seen of them haven't appeared any smaller than the regular wave 1 minis. It's nice to hear that people in the states are finally receiving their sets in the mail, even if I didn't get in on this Kickstarter originally. It means I'll be able to trade or by the exclusive minis I need soon
It would appear that I was mistaken about the replacement cards. I thought I had read that they were shipping replacements automatically. Maybe that was the Vokker mini and I confused the two? Hopefully someone better informed than myself can interject here.
ephrael wrote: It would appear that I was mistaken about the replacement cards. I thought I had read that they were shipping replacements automatically. Maybe that was the Vokker mini and I confused the two? Hopefully someone better informed than myself can interject here.
I'm near-positive that replacement cards should be automatic though the replacement rules were $3 or so.
Absolutionis wrote: The Samaritans are actually the same size as Infinity miniatures, which are a reasonable 28mm non-heroic size. If the new models match up with the rest of the Sedition Wars humans, then there really is nothing to worry about. The way you're all talking, I was assuming the Wave 2 stuff is just abnormally small even by SW standards.
In this picture I do think the Battlestar Galactica chick looks too small and thin. Granted, she is not wearing armor, but if you look at her arms and head they look as if they would be rattling around inside a suit of Samaritan armor.
For those of you in the UK that received UPS tracking info that isn't live, this was due to mailing labels being printed too far in advance of actual pick up. Battlefoam has now corrected this and this issue should not recur. Sorry for any confusion or inconvenience caused.
We are working our way through the shipments that include the Terrain Pack now and for the USA warehouse expect to be complete by next week. Battlefoam UK is expected to complete in two weeks. We'll post another update when USA shipments are done, and another one when UK shipments are complete.
AegisGrimm wrote: I'm wondering if I'll have to contact someone. I haven't heard a single thing about my shipment, and I didn't even go in for a terrain pack.
I didn't get (and still don't have) any kind of shipping information before it arrived on my doorstep.
First off, no fair that you got yours. But second off the models are tiny in comparison to GW models. Or have you not really looked at the "good guys" from the set you got already
Nope, only glanced at wave 1, maybe you're right, i opened them next to my kroot party and was quite taken aback. As I said in my original post though, I was guessing it was just me not paying attention, these arent abnormally small for sedition wars (like a mistake/error), just that they felt smaller than I expected.
guys and card and turrets, then a single package with 1 guy, then the cards over a few days.
So disappointed with the rules think ill just try to ebay it all for dirt cheap
To be perfectly honest, the rules are actually pretty damn good at this point and are being tightened up even further as we speak. IMO V2 is fast and fun and easy to use, and the newest errata fixed up the main balance gripes people had with it. I think you can complain as much as you want about how we arrived at the rules (and, man, have people done that), but the rules themselves are not a problem at all.
I know the process hasn't been very smooth (*understatement*), but to me it doesn't matter as long as things get worked out in the end.
guys and card and turrets, then a single package with 1 guy, then the cards over a few days.
So disappointed with the rules think ill just try to ebay it all for dirt cheap
To be perfectly honest, the rules are actually pretty damn good at this point and are being tightened up even further as we speak. IMO V2 is fast and fun and easy to use, and the newest errata fixed up the main balance gripes people had with it. I think you can complain as much as you want about how we arrived at the rules (and, man, have people done that), but the rules themselves are not a problem at all.
I know the process hasn't been very smooth (*understatement*), but to me it doesn't matter as long as things get worked out in the end.
To be fair though, not everyone is looking for the same thing in a game.
Sedition Wars.The bane and regret of every board gamer.
I'm so glad this horror show is over. I love seeing this game selling for 35.00 on Miniature Market. I wish we had had a sculptor that had the balls to do what the Kingdom Death creator did and I think this simple line says it all.
Slowing down for Quality
He's switching from the horrible plastic we got with Sedition Wars to the exact same plastic GW uses because he was unhappy with the results.
Well, based on my tracking info my stuff should be here on Saturday or so. Looking forward to getting this wrapped up. Got a few extra models that I'm looking forward to converting and playing with. I'm at least mildly excited.
Forlorn wrote: Sedition Wars.The bane and regret of every board gamer.
I'm so glad this horror show is over. I love seeing this game selling for 35.00 on Miniature Market.
Why? Pure spite?
I wish we had had a sculptor that had the balls to do what the Kingdom Death creator did and I think this simple line says it all.
Sculptor had nothing to do with it. It was Poots, the owner of the IP. Mike McVey would have been the Poots of sedition wars and he deemed the models fine (which they are). They have plenty of detail and are fun to paint.
I mean, if you're into schaudenfreud, have at it. But at least have decent reasons beyond an "in your face" spiteful attitude.
Edit: I read your post again and I don't think spite is what you are going for, but I really don't understand the joy of seeing it going for $35 bucks at miniature market.
I believe he was going for sarcasm. As in "We paid over 100$ for this pile and now it's being sold for 35$. Well that's fantastic!".
I got my last shipment in and these models are horrible. Especially the Serenity crew. Tiny. No detail. Half of them are missing faces. Such a shame. The models do paint up well but getting them to that point is ridiculous. Especially when these were being pushed as the second coming of wargaming miniatures!
Maybe if they had just said "Hey we're pushing out crappy board game models" I wouldn't be so dissapointed. But these models are beyond what the average board gamer is used to. My brother in law for example is a HUGE board gamer. He wanted nothing to do with assembling Sedition Wars. He's used to push fit models at most.
From the mind of industry legend Mike McVey, and created by the finest artists, miniatures sculptors and game designers, the contents and play materials of the game are of the highest quality.. Sedition Wars : Battle for Alabaster represents the best that miniatures gaming has to offer!
Forlorn wrote: Sedition Wars.The bane and regret of every board gamer.
I'm so glad this horror show is over. I love seeing this game selling for 35.00 on Miniature Market.
Why? Pure spite?
I wish we had had a sculptor that had the balls to do what the Kingdom Death creator did and I think this simple line says it all.
Sculptor had nothing to do with it. It was Poots, the owner of the IP. Mike McVey would have been the Poots of sedition wars and he deemed the models fine (which they are). They have plenty of detail and are fun to paint.
I mean, if you're into schaudenfreud, have at it. But at least have decent reasons beyond an "in your face" spiteful attitude.
Edit: I read your post again and I don't think spite is what you are going for, but I really don't understand the joy of seeing it going for $35 bucks at miniature market.
Was going to post something very similar.
The rules were in really shaky shape when the game came out, but they're doing pretty well now. That was on their heads (even though the rules were contracted out AFAIK), but I don't really believe people should be punished for the past and they seemed happy with the rules as they were. The initial V2 rules revisions were a shitstorm but I also get the impression that that wasn't entirely under their control (see below).
Regarding model quality, there's actually a pretty large practical issue you missed, though, cincy- Poots produced his game, Mike didn't: when you're partnering with a producer or publisher, you as the author/creator/whatever don't necessarily get the final say. For all we know, Mike could have wanted all the minis in glorious SMV resin or maybe in edible gummy form but CMoN said no. Mike's repeatedly expressed regret that he didn't have more control over the process...
From everything I've read and experienced, Mike's a good guy who got in over his head with a project he's quite personally invested in, while I'm unhappy enough with CMoN that I probably won't buy anything from them again, except maybe if SMV stays in that contract
Hulksmash wrote: Well, based on my tracking info my stuff should be here on Saturday or so. Looking forward to getting this wrapped up. Got a few extra models that I'm looking forward to converting and playing with. I'm at least mildly excited.
Did you get some THI suits? Curious about what you think of them, and what size they are (terminator sized?) when you get your box
RiTides wrote: At first glance they don't look that great, unfortunately :-/
I don't like working with that plastic, but the shine and ugly mold lines makes the material very unphotogenic. If you clean up the minis properly (which does take more work), I think they end up looking fine, and paint up well.
RiTides wrote: At first glance they don't look that great, unfortunately :-/
I don't like working with that plastic, but the shine and ugly mold lines makes the material very unphotogenic. If you clean up the minis properly (which does take more work), I think they end up looking fine, and paint up well.
Yikes.
Well, I certainly hope that they do...
Sedition Wars!!! (Said in Seinfeld "Newman" voice)
True, but $15 still seems pretty steep for that... hopefully more pics make them look better, but I'm really glad I didn't go in for the 10 or so I had considered, now.
RiTides wrote: True, but $15 still seems pretty steep for that... hopefully more pics make them look better, but I'm really glad I didn't go in for the 10 or so I had considered, now.
I think I got enough to make a 5 man Space Hulk squad, but do not remember for sure. I guess if/when I ever get the package (with or without a shipping notice) I'll find out.
But you are right, I would not consider that a $15 figure, even if it is bigger than a space marine.
Of course the Cylon Chick figure isn't worth what it costs to ship it let alone what I paid for it if the pictures I've seen are any indication.
Wait.. Wasn't that THI suit $15? $15 for a space marine-sized restic model? I'm starting to feel a bit ripped off.
Me to! I checked the link comparing it to a Space Marine, and that model is SO much smaller than I was expecting. Grrr......... I first saw the Gnosis suit, and thought "Hmm, that's pretty small. I hope the THI is bigger. And then when I scrolled down and saw the THI, completely alone in my house, I audibly groaned. Yet another step of regret. I was expecting something at least the size and bulk of a Grendlr, if not more.
AegisGrimm wrote: I was expecting something at least the size and bulk of a Grendlr, if not more.
Unfortunately, I think the misconception is that the KS campaign shows the old resin model on its terminator-sized (40mm?) base, not the 50mm large SW base
I'm very happy with the THI suits. Love em, want more to magnetize(didn't think about it until I already assembled my three). Weren't we supposed to get a Cthonian clone card this time around?
I ordered 10 of the THI suits. So we'll see if I'm happy with them or not once they show up....The idea was they could be an Ogryn squad for me if built the standard Sedition War models into a smaller, specialized IG army. Which I might still do, they paint up pretty well, the models I've gotten so far.
Forlorn wrote: Sedition Wars.The bane and regret of every board gamer.
I'm so glad this horror show is over. I wish we had had a sculptor that had the balls to do what the Kingdom Death creator did and I think this simple line says it all.
Slowing down for Quality He's switching from the horrible plastic we got with Sedition Wars to the exact same plastic GW uses because he was unhappy with the results.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/poots/kingdom-death-monster/posts
Well, it's more producer rather than sculptor. Kev White did a lot of the SW sculpts, and they were pretty much all done before the KS anyway. But yeah, I agree with you. (Except the discount thing - though I think that's about what it's worth, so c'est la vie).
RiTides wrote: True, but $15 still seems pretty steep for that... hopefully more pics make them look better, but I'm really glad I didn't go in for the 10 or so I had considered, now.
I resemble this remark. That model is awful. On reflection, I think this puts the final nail in my going in on Wrath of Kings.
So anyone elses quantities completely off on their shipment? Cause after going thru mine I'm missing almost $125 in add-ons. Those being 2 additional Gnosis suits, 5 of the 10 THI suits I ordered, and a set of baby drones. It's mildly annoying to have this issue at the end of all of this....
Oh, and I don't mind the thin Hexen, she's super delicate but I think it'll actually paint up better that way. However, some of the Calamity Crew does seem a little off on the scale, even internally, and the amount of flash on the additional Pilot model is simply ridiculous....
And I was under the impression that the drones came with stand or bases. What's up with that?
Wow, that's pretty terrible, about how much they screwed up that order.
Also, that sucks re: drones, if that wasn't just a mispack. The contents pic didn't show them, but the concept sketch certainly had the same sketched circles under their bases that regular models do.
Hulksmash wrote: So anyone elses quantities completely off on their shipment? Cause after going thru mine I'm missing almost $125 in add-ons. Those being 2 additional Gnosis suits, 5 of the 10 THI suits I ordered, and a set of baby drones. It's mildly annoying to have this issue at the end of all of this....
Oh, and I don't mind the thin Hexen, she's super delicate but I think it'll actually paint up better that way. However, some of the Calamity Crew does seem a little off on the scale, even internally, and the amount of flash on the additional Pilot model is simply ridiculous....
And I was under the impression that the drones came with stand or bases. What's up with that?
The only paid adding I got was the calamity crew and they were all there. I am missing Keegan though.
Have they mentioned where to email about mispacks?
No, I messaged thru KS. I'll be sending an email directly to CMoN if I don't hear from them by Tuesday. Honestly, I'd be happier with a refund on the items I didn't receive.
Just compared my THI suits to various 40mm based figures. They're the same height and overall width as PP's Boomhowler Trollkin infantry and Ogryn Assault Corps, and same when compared to a plastic AoBR Terminator. I even adjusted the PP and GW bases to the height of the SW bases(they're taller basses than others). The body is thin, but the overall height and size are comparable to similarly priced infantry from other companies.
Here's the Measurements(no bases):
THI: 1 3/8" H, 1 1/4" shoulders Trollkin: 1 1/4" H(1 3/8" if you include the hair spines), 1" shoulders Ogryn: 1 1/2" H, 1 1/4" Shoulders Termie: 1 1/4" H(1 3/8" at the scanner) , 1 1/8 shoulders
So, taller than the Troll and a Terminator missing the scanner, shorter than the Ogryn. Ties the Ogryn as the widest shoulders(outside of shoulder to outside of opposite shoulder). Looks tiny on the 50mm base.
Alpharius wrote: This campaign couldn't have ended much worse than it did...
I don't know... They could have had some expensive-to-produce hard plastic unit based on a shoddy sculpt.
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Platuan4th wrote: Just compared my THI suits to various 40mm based figures. They're the same height and overall width as PP's Boomhowler Trollkin infantry and Ogryn Assault Corps, and same when compared to a plastic AoBR Terminator. I even adjusted the PP and GW bases to the height of the SW bases(they're taller basses than others). The body is thin, but the overall height and size are comparable to similarly priced infantry from other companies.
Matching GW on price for a crappy restic model we payed for more than a year ago that is still tiny compared to most reasonable expectations?
Platuan4th wrote: Just compared my THI suits to various 40mm based figures. They're the same height and overall width as PP's Boomhowler Trollkin infantry and Ogryn Assault Corps, and same when compared to a plastic AoBR Terminator. I even adjusted the PP and GW bases to the height of the SW bases(they're taller basses than others). The body is thin, but the overall height and size are comparable to similarly priced infantry from other companies.
Got mine,this afternoon. At first glance the quality is better than I expected and I think everything is there. Still...didn't really feel any excitement when opening the box, just relief for this one to be over.
based on how long it took to get the first wave out you've still got a couple of weeks before you need to worry they've forgotten you
(and I guess you'll need to factor even more time for Zombicide 2 as there were more backers, and the individual orders will be larger with the box games)
sparkywtf wrote: While I haven't actually gone through the shipments, I did briefly look at the second shipment when I opened it, and the casts didn't look bad.
Agreed - the quality of the casts is actually quite good, but there was so much ****ing shrinkage that most of the extras look like they're scaled for a completely different game. Out of the KS freebie characters, only Vokker looks appropriately sized to the first round of miniatures on first glance.
The THI suits look pretty good IMO, and as long as you model them with the face plates in place rather than the tiny shrunken heads they come with, they'll fit in just fine. Pretty excited about how they'll work into the game, TBH. Same with Kara in the Gnosis suit - the model itself is really good, but I ended up replacing her head with an old Empire flagellent head I had lying around and I'll just play it as a totally invented officer character.
Drones also look good and should be easy to paint well, which is nice.
So, Wave 1 = good miniatures, bad mold lines, so-so rules. Wave 2 = largely disappointing miniatures, much better mold lines, improved rules. I'll still play and enjoy the game itself, but there's so much about it that has missed the mark and squandered its potential. Knock wood that SMV can work things out enough to get another chance with their expansions...
As high hopes as I had for all this, just glad my stuff came fast. Only for the reason to sell it on ebay, which was a lot more successful then I could have hoped for.
I received my package today and i really have to agree with what Gomez and what a few other people have said. The model quality is pretty decent, but you can definitely tell that every add-on character model besides Morgan, Ramirez and Vokker has shrunk considerably.
Overall I'm quite happy with my Sedition Wars purchase (As someone who brought it purely for the miniatures.) While the model quality could be better and the PVC mold lines are just an absolute nightmare to remove, in the end though the core game only cost me $125 for roughly 100 decent quality Sci-fi miniatures which i consider to be a pretty good deal.
I received my main wave 2 package a while ago (though I haven't went thru it as I am at college) and a second envelope with Vokker.
I guess I will have to see if I got everything that I should be getting in the second wave with the reported problems now, did it seem to be only with the paid extras, or also the basic figures of the second wave that problems have occurred?
Can anyone who has it please put up some pictures of the terrain pack? Also, I'm curious if it is the same material as the drones, or if it's restic like everything else.
I haven't found any time to assemble my 2nd wave stuff, but the drones look like a lot of fun, if not terribly detailed. If the terrain pack is similar, I will want to buy it. If it's more restic...eh, maybe?
There are pics (painted and unpainted) a few page back in this thread. If you mean actual pics and not studio pics, I don't think anyone has their terrain yet.
They look like the same material as the regular minis.
I got all my stuff today, and while everything is there and in good condition (aside from heavy flash) I am still not sure if I want to keep my copy. Kinda worried about how little it would go for on Ebay, though. I'd like at least 50% or more of what I originally paid into the Kickstarter, but I'm not sure the demand is there for even that.
As a related note....man, those wave 2 figures are absolutely tiny. Beyond heads, Ridley's arms are about the thickness of the back banner poles Space Marines use to come with.
AegisGrimm wrote: I got all my stuff today, and while everything is there and in good condition (aside from heavy flash) I am still not sure if I want to keep my copy. Kinda worried about how little it would go for on Ebay, though. I'd like at least 50% or more of what I originally paid into the Kickstarter, but I'm not sure the demand is there for even that.
As a related note....man, those wave 2 figures are absolutely tiny. Beyond heads, Ridley's arms are about the thickness of the back banner poles Space Marines use to come with.
Not sure how much you pledged, but Biohazard with the wave 2 stuff goes for 130-140. Saw a few sell with bids so I put mine up and ended up going for 155$ but mine was 80% painted.
Note Wave 2 for me was whatever extra stuff I got for free, I didn't spend any extra money on more guys, just the 100 for Biohazzard.
haven't heard anything about further splits (and given the extra shipping cost that would incur, it'd seem unlikely for sure).
. Did you move somewhere interesting?)
