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Lysander- 200pts
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x5 Scourges w/ 2 dark lances - 140 Automatically Appended Next Post: x5 Scourges w/ 2 dark lances/blasters - 140
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ChrisWWII wrote:Manticore-160 pts
Manticore- 160 pts, except mines painted so it's better, all wargamers know that
Disregard, didn't refresh before I posted
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Brother-Thunder wrote:x5 Scourges w/ 2 dark lances - 140
Automatically Appended Next Post:
x5 Scourges w/ 2 dark lances/blasters - 140
Fire Prisim
- Holo Fields
150
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Brother-Thunder wrote:x5 Scourges w/ 2 dark lances - 140
Automatically Appended Next Post:
x5 Scourges w/ 2 dark lances/blasters - 140
5 Wracks with Liquifier Gun and Venom - 115
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Broadside battlesuit – 75 (if far enough away)
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4 x Seekers of Slannesh (68 points)
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Yes I did go there
1
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Maybe I missed the joke?
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Post by: ChrisWWII
.....A MTG card is not a 40k unit. Neither is Cthulhu. This is a big load of:
You will now be sentenced to summary execution by the nearest available Commissar
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Post by: rivers64
Wow. Did not know that South Park episode was based on a magic card.
Anyway... Wraithlord w/ wraithsword – 105
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2 heavy destroyers, 130
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imp guard vets , las cannon and 3 plaz guns 135
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Ravager - 3 Dark Lances, Night Shields, Flickerfield - 125pts
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Hydra Flak Tank- 85pts
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Not sure but:
2x Multi-Melta Attack Bike: 100pts
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Exorcist tank: 135 pts
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rivers64 wrote:Wow. Did not know that South Park episode was based on a magic card.
Anyway... Wraithlord w/ wraithsword – 105
Ok I just have to adress this.
Cthulhu is not from Magic, that was a fanmade render. Cthulhu is from H.P Lovecrafts classic horror stories and was first mentioned in a book in 1928. In these stories he is more or less a god, or at least an extremely powerful cosmic entity along with about a dozen other beings like him, and they form a sort of pantheon. For more information, read here.
Sorry about the offtopic but H.P Lovecraft is too good to be lost in the cultural entropy of today.
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Veterans in Chimera w/ 2 x Melta: 145 pts
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Veterans in Chimera with 3 meltaguns 155
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2x Hydra: 150 pts
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4 scout bikers w/ meltabombs- 150
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Why scout bikes? The hydra ignores the cover save for turbo boosting, AND ignores scouts 4+ armor save.
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5 Dark Reapers - 175
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Ixias wrote:rivers64 wrote:Wow. Did not know that South Park episode was based on a magic card. Anyway... Wraithlord w/ wraithsword – 105
Ok I just have to adress this. Cthulhu is not from Magic, that was a fanmade render. Cthulhu is from H.P Lovecrafts classic horror stories and was first mentioned in a book in 1928. In these stories he is more or less a god, or at least an extremely powerful cosmic entity along with about a dozen other beings like him, and they form a sort of pantheon. For more information, read here. Sorry about the offtopic but H.P Lovecraft is too good to be lost in the cultural entropy of today. You learn something new every day. Anyway... Fire prism – 115
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Devil Dog: 120 pts
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zoanthrope=60pts
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7 rattling snipers 70pts
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Thunderfire cannon- 100pts
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5 Pathfinders - 120
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anon/rassilon wrote:5 Pathfinders - 120
3 lictors 195pts
Automatically Appended Next Post: anon/rassilon wrote:5 Pathfinders - 120
Three Lictors 195pts
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2x Land speeders, 2x Heavy flamers-100pts
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1 Hydra Flak Tank - 75 points
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AlmightyWalrus wrote:1 Hydra Flak Tank - 75 points
two hive gaurd - 100 pts
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5 Howling Banshees, Exarch with Executioner - 102
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Land speeder, tornado assault cannon- 80pts
also, inb4 hydra
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Prince Yriel – 155
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Yriel vs Tornado? If you say so...
Anyway, Avatar of Khaine - 155
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Well Nightbringer
Course 5 Chaos termie champs with MoT and lightning claws w/ landraider Automatically Appended Next Post: Maybe a Soulgrinder or how bout 3?
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-Units may be taken with their Deticated Transports, with the exception of Land Raiders (land raiders may still be used, just not with another unit) ...it has to be somewhat close to the point cost of the previous unit posted, preferably less. @whrextheimpaler FAIL on both counts. Looks like sub-zero's got some company.
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anon/rassilon wrote:Yriel vs Tornado? If you say so...
Anyway, Avatar of Khaine - 155
5x TH/ SS termies, 200pts
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If i've math-hammered correctly, 5 Pariahs, assuming they charge - 180pts
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10 Genestealers (Toxin sacs) 170
(it is 170 isn't it?)
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Fire prism w/ holofields – 150
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5 Devastators with Missile Launchers - 175 (?)
That's assuming they're in range.
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Shrike 195
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Lysander 200pts
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Mephiston, lord of Death –250
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5 Grey Knight Terminators, with Psychic Hood. 250
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Sentai_Sage wrote:5 Grey Knight Terminators, with Psychic Hood. 250
Executioner 190
eh what the heck
executioner with pask 240
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2 Fire Prisms 230
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2 5 man 2 melta Storm trooper squads.
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40 hormagaunts 240
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ghazgkull thraka
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Eldrad Ulthran – 210
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Hive tyrant w/ 2 TL devourers w/ BLW 210
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30x ork boyz
nob w/ PK, BP
220
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Same hive tyrant with wings laughing as you can't catch me. 270
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but we don't want to catch you....
this is a "beating" thread not a "running away" thread.
We better keep going before we get 1000000 posts about reaver jetbikes turboboosting,
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Post by: Cjc1223
I'm killing 8 orks a turn while I'm running away. In 3 turns your going to be failing your LD test and running off the table. If you don't catch me in assault how are you gong to kill me?
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Mephiston, Lord of Death - 250
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10 Warlocks
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lootas.
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Landraider Redeemer – 240
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6 Fire Dragons with Wave Serpent with TL BLs and Stones - 241
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Land speeder squadron, 3x Typhoons- 270pts
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scubasteve04 wrote:Land speeder squadron, 3x Typhoons- 270pts
I think not.
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anon/rassilon wrote:scubasteve04 wrote:Land speeder squadron, 3x Typhoons- 270pts
I think not.
6 missiles won't take out a single wave serpent?
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Sorry, not too familiar with the SM rules. Still, if 5 hit and 2 penetrate, that's not a fantastic chance, especially if the Serpent has Stones. See where I'm coming from?
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anon/rassilon wrote:Sorry, not too familiar with the SM rules. Still, if 5 hit and 2 penetrate, that's not a fantastic chance, especially if the Serpent has Stones. See where I'm coming from?
An aforementioned speeder squadron would be 3x AV 10 10 10 fast skimmers each having a heavy bolter and a typhoon missile launcher (heavy 2 str 8 or can fire frags, with a range of 48").
It doesn't have to wreck it to hurt it. Even a 1 on the damage table will still stop it from firing BL. And it can easily keep it at 48" where the fire dragon's can't hurt them. All they would have to do is keep plinking it with missiles until its gone, and the fire dragons are a non-issue. Even if the wave serpent gets a lucky shot and takes one out, there is still 2 more left.
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3 Hydra Flak Tanks - 225 points
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Leman Russ Vanquisher w/ Lascannon and Pask: 220 pts
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2 Land Speeders W/ two MMs and a Land Speeder with 1 MM - 220 points
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5 Fire Dragons with Wave Serpent with TL shuricannons, star engines, and vectored engines - 215
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Storm Raven Gunship W/ TL Plasma cannon and TL Multi Melta and 4 Bloodstrike Missile (S8 AP1) - 200 points
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4 Jetlocks with Destructor and Singing Spears - 232
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Necron Monolith - 235
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You sure?
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Ya know, I honestly doubt the monolith would win.
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Not 100%, the monolith was reflex, I'm not all that familiar with the Eldar Dex (don't have it on hand secondly)
I'll stick with the monolith......or faced wtih option 2, i'll opt for three hydra flak tanks at 225 points
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Post by: anon/rassilon
At risk of sounding like a broken record...
You sure?
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Given my lack of knowledge on the Jetlocks, i shall concede this one
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Maybe I'm wrong... don't know too much about Hydras. Let's move on.
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Post by: Avatar 720
0.664 Penetrating hits on the Monolith if it moved (so you're hiting on 4s). If it didn't move, it's still only 1.328 penetrating hits before you get whacked by a flux arc or particle whip...
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1.328 penetrating hits... then they assault. 2 attacks per Seer, that's 8 attacks that all hit if the Monolith hasn't moved.
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Post by: Avatar 720
anon/rassilon wrote:1.328 penetrating hits... then they assault. 2 attacks per Seer, that's 8 attacks that all hit if the Monolith hasn't moved.
My calculations were based on combat. You get 1.328 penetrating hits in combat if the Lith hasn't moved.
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Ohhh. Mmm. Well Spears can be thrown.
**Sorry I'm rushed right now.
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anon/rassilon wrote:Ohhh. Mmm. Well Spears can be thrown.
**Sorry I'm rushed right now.
Thrown, they'll score 0.332 Penetrating hits if they're still S9
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So that rounds to 2 penetrating hits. Sort of. That makes a WD or destroyed result quite likely. Agreed?
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Post by: Avatar 720
anon/rassilon wrote:So that rounds to 2 penetrating hits. Sort of. That makes a WD or destroyed result quite likely. Agreed?
Adding throwing and charging a non-moving Monolith nets you 1.66 penetrating hits, and comes up with a 0.55278 chance of scoring a Wrecked result or better. Rounding to 2, we get 0.666 chance of getting wrecked or better. Obviously, they both round up to 1, but it's a pretty big round that's needed.
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On the charge thats 12 attacks (including the singing spear throws). If the monolith moved then that's 6 hits and 2 pens making a destroyed result occur 55.5% of the time, which is actually probable. If the monolith did not move then the probability of a destroyed result goes up to around 75%. It's not definite, but even if one gets taken out before they reach the monolith the seers would still probably win assuming another round of combat with three is better than one with four.
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On the charge thats 12 attacks.
It's only 8, warlocks have 1 attack each and Singing Spears are two-handed, so they only get the bonus attack for charging.
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Automatically Appended Next Post: Sorry. I included thrown singing spears as attacks just for the sake of it. In reality they would hit on 3s rather than 4s so the results may actually be better than I said, but definitely not worse.
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Doh, forgot SSpears hit on 3s when thrown, so that means they get 0.445556 penetrating hits. Add 1.336 from the hits against a non-moving Monolith = 1.781556 penetrating hits, and 0.593258148 Wrecked or better results.
If the Monolith moved, which is most likely, that becomes 1.113556 penetrating hits and 0.370814148 wrecked or better results.
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Land Raider Achilles
/thread
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Samus_aran115 wrote:Land Raider Achilles
/thread
Pretty sure the Nightbringer would be able to go against it (he ignores terrain doesn't he? So the tremor shot would be usless, MMs would need 4s to wound him, and the highest strength TFC shot needs 6s. Plus he's an MC so gets 2D6 at S10 against you...
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The hits against a non moving monolith are 2.3. Against a moving monolith it becomes 1.1. Automatically Appended Next Post: Ok. And 10 Pathfinders – 240
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Post by: Avatar 720
rivers64 wrote:The hits against a non moving monolith are 2.3. Against a moving monolith it becomes 1.1.
I don't see how you're getting this:
Shooting a non-moving 'lith:
4 shots, 2.668 hits, 0.445556 penetrating hits.
In Combat:
8 Auto-hits, 1.336 penetrating hits
Added together is 1.781556 hits...
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Never mind. You're right. I was thinking of something else.
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Post by: Exark
Samus_aran115 wrote:Land Raider Achilles
/thread
To continue on with the thread
3 Lone Wolves with SS, CF, TDA and two wolves each - 315 points
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50 Boyz – 300
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Chaos Dreadnaught w/ extra CC arm - 100pts
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5 fire dragons – 80
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rivers64 wrote:5 fire dragons – 80
Crisis Battlesuit w/ TL MPod + Targetting Array - 53pts
Have fun trying to catch me.
EDIT: Found a better version.
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5 man vanguard squad with jp, relic blade and 2 power swords -220
i know more points but i had to match his speed
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Post by: ChrisWWII
...........Given that you're more than quadruple his points, I really can't accept that post as valid. I mean, it's not as bad as the Marneus Calgar 1000 pts Death Star to beat a 100 pt unit we saw earlier in this thread, but still....
Hydra-75 pts
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Post by: koridon
fine, i tried to cut out as many points as i could to drop the pts, then a land speeder with multi-melta -60
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Post by: Mattieau
War-Walker with 2 EML- 70 points
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Broadside 70 points
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Lonewolf with TH SS, TDA, 85 points
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Exark wrote:Lonewolf with TH SS, TDA, 85 points
5 Howling Banshees - 80 pts
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Chaos Predator - 70pts
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Avatar – 155
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rivers64 wrote:Avatar – 155
5 eldar rangers, with Pathfinders upgrade - 120pts
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5 man tac sqaud with combi-flamer- 100 points.
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Wraithlord – 90
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a standard hive tyrant (lash, bone sw, scyth) 170 pts
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Vendetta with heavy bolters- 140
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Mattieau wrote:Vendetta with heavy bolters- 140
two hive gaurd - 100 pts
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Basilisk-125 pts
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5 man tank busta boyz, with nob w/ pk, 2 tank hammers, 2 bomb squigs - 110 Automatically Appended Next Post: 4 tank busta boys w/ 1 nob w/ pk, 2 tank hammers, 2 bomb squigs Automatically Appended Next Post: 4 Tank busta boys w/ 1 nob w/ pk, 2 tank hammers, 2 bomb squigs -110 Automatically Appended Next Post: I have tried to post a uint 3 times and no luck Automatically Appended Next Post: 4 Tank busta boys with nob with pk, 2 tank hammers, 2 bomb squigs
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2 Land Speeders with multi melta - 120 points
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Hydra - 75 points
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Marb....oh right
Broadside targetting array 80 points
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3 raveners with spinefists - 105pts
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5 Howling Banshees, Exarch with Mirrorswords - 97
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standard hive tyrant, 170pts
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That's a pretty big point jump.
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10 Lootas (170 points - i think!)
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5 howling banshees, exarch with mirrorswords – 97
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10 Lootas would be 150 points.
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Thanks for that one anon.
2 Necron Destroyers - 100 Points
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2 War Walkers with Scatter Lasers - 120
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3 Killa Kans - 105 points
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broadside battlesuit – 70
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5 Howling Banshees - 80
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Space Marine Rhino w/Storm Bolter - 35 points
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ZOMG DEATH COMPANY 8000 POINTS
Umm... how about War Walker with 2 Cannons - 40?
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Post by: Jaon
Hydra - 75 points.
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Ghazkull Thrakka – 225
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rivers64 wrote:Ghazkull Thrakka – 225
Try to follow the rules of the thread, by remaining around the same points cost, preferably less
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Post by: Anidem
rivers64 wrote:Ghazkull Thrakka – 225
Trygon Prime, 240 pts
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3x Hydra Flakpanzers: 225 pts.
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5 Terminators, Cyclone missile Launcher 230pts
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Ghazkull Thrakka – 225
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6x Assault Terminators, TH/SS -240pts
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2 x 13 boyz w/ nob w/ Pk, bosspole – 236
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rivers64 wrote:2 x 13 boyz w/ nob w/ Pk, bosspole – 236
a monolith, 210 pts (i think)
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2x Vindicators 230pts
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land raider with tl laz cannons, hunter killer missile, -260
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Leman Russ Vanquisher, Lascannon, Pask: 220 pts.
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imp guard vets in a vendetta with 3 melta guns and a las cannon 250
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3x Hydra Flak tanks - 225
Why is that I ever respond with?
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Post by: ChrisWWII
Because Hydras are awesome.
Manticore-160 pts
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Post by: scubasteve04
3x Land speeders, multimeltas- 180pts
inb4 hydra
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2 hydras (again)- 140pts
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5x Devistators, 4x Missile, - 150pts
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Canis Wolfborn - 185 points
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Ironclad Dreadnought DCCW with storm bolter, Siesmic hammer with meltagun, twin hunter killer missiles- 155pts
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Post by: Tazz Azrael
My old 4th edition Carnifex the cuttle Basher (adrenal glands +1ws, bonded exoskeleton+1T, exsteneded carapace+1 to sv, regen, reinforced chitten+1 W, mace tail, crush claws+ scything talons= 202pts old ex) only ever get to field him like this if my oponent is nice...or crazy
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5x TH/SS terminators - 200pts
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5 Pariahs - 180
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Veterans w/ 3x Plasma, Bastonne: 175 pts
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Post by: scubasteve04
5x Scouts with BP/CCW, sarge with combi-flamer/powerfist, Land speeder storm with heavy flamer and cerebus launchers- 175pts
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Post by: EmilCrane
Just to be different
Leman Russ Exterminator with heavy bolter sponsons- 170pts
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5x Terminators, Cyclone missile -230pts
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2 x 12 orks w/ nob w/ PK, bosspole – 224
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Thunderfire cannon deployed 60" away- 100pts
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5 Wolf Scouts, meltagun, plasma pistol - 100 points
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x3 Incubi - 66 points
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11 boyz – 66
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Attack Bike- 40pts
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Tau dude w/ railgun – 70
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tau dude=broadside battlesuit.
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Callidus Assasin (I think that's the one at least... the one that pops up anywhere with C'tan Phase Blades) - 120
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3 War Walkers with Shuriken Cannons - 120
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Leman Russ Battle Tank - 150
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rivers64 wrote:Tau dude w/ railgun – 70 stompydakka wrote:tau dude=broadside battlesuit. Thanks
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Tri las predator- 165 points
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5 blood angels assault marines, melta+infernus pistol 125
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IG Veterans w/ 3x Plasma Guns: 115
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LR Achilees – 300
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20 Ork Boys - 120
- edit -
In response to the IG veteran.
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5 BA assault marines, flamer, TLHF razor 125
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Avatar – 155
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Chaos Dreadnought w/ Extra CC Arm - 100pts
EDIT: Ninja'd by the avatar... and the BAs >.<
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Post by: rivers64
No way the dread would win vs the Avatar.
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Please see the edit.
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ahhh srry
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Post by: BuFFo
30 Ork Boys versus the Avatar - 180
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I'd still bet on the avatar.
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Post by: EagleArk
6 burna boys in a battlewagon(armour plates)-190
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Id still bet on the Avatar.
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Archon w/ Agonizer and Shadow field - 115. Against the Avatar.
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Post by: AlmightyWalrus
Once again, Callidus Assassin - 120 points.
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20 boyz – 120
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5 BA assault marines, flamer, TLHF razor 125
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The Avatar – 155
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Brother-Captain Stern - 141 points.
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5 nobz big choppas, shoota/rokits -150
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Post by: Inquisitor_Syphonious
Veteran Squad
Melta
Melta
Flamer
Missle Launcher
Chimera
Multi-Laser/Heavy Flamer
160
The Multi/Missle are for the Avatar
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The Avatar – 155
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Post by: Avatar 720
Can we look into getting an Avatar ban, or at least a limit to 1 Avatar every X posts/pages?
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Post by: koridon
lysander -200
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Beef #1: Veterans > Avatar
Beef #2: Lysander = Avatar, statistcally speaking they kill each other. =/
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Post by: AlmightyWalrus
1 anything that can shoot and move more than 6 inches, in this case my favourite: 1 Hydra Flak Tank - 75 points.
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Post by: bloodaxegit
10 necron warriors with: nothing. 180pts
As a kill team necrons do well thanks to no phasing out if the're only one unit. At this points size, necrons are competitive FOR ONCE! HA!
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Post by: AlmightyWalrus
And you win over a skimmer with 48 inches of 4x S7AP4 twin-linked goodness because? Also, you're more than twice the points of the Hydra...
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Post by: shrike
rivers64 wrote:The Avatar – 155
Jabbdo wrote:5 BA assault marines, flamer, TLHF razor 125
rivers64 wrote:20 boyz – 120
rivers64 wrote:Avatar – 155
Jabbdo wrote:5 BA assault marines, flamer, TLHF razor 125
BuFFo wrote:20 Ork Boyz-120
aah! loop!
for the boyz- 20 hormagaunts  -120pts
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Post by: AlmightyWalrus
2 Hydra Flak Tanks - 150 points. I'm getting good at this!
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Post by: EagleArk
5 th/ss terminators 200
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Post by: koridon
Beef #2: Lysander = Avatar, statistcally speaking they kill each other. =/
I figured it might happen but I could not thing of any thing else so if they kill each other go for it. I try to stay away from these kind of units but an avatar i make exceptions for
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Post by: anon/rassilon
5 Pariahs - 180 EDIT: Was at Page 47 :/
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Post by: AlmightyWalrus
I don't think that 5 TH/SS termies would win over 2 hydras. Just how does a unit without shooting kill two skimmers with autocannons? Also, guess what kills 5 pariahs? You guessed it, 2 Hydra Flak Tanks at 150 points!
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Post by: EagleArk
Deepstrike? And i thought hydras were tanks?
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Post by: Exark
anon/rassilon wrote:5 Pariahs - 180
EDIT: Was at Page 47 :/
Vindicator - 115 points
or still in the case of the Hydras
Vindicator - 115 points
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Post by: scubasteve04
Demon prince with wings and other junk
dont know the cost
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Post by: anon/rassilon
I am making a movement for a Hydra ban.
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Post by: EmilCrane
AlmightyWalrus wrote:I don't think that 5 TH/SS termies would win over 2 hydras. Just how does a unit without shooting kill two skimmers with autocannons? Also, guess what kills 5 pariahs? You guessed it, 2 Hydra Flak Tanks at 150 points!
Dude, hydras aren't skimmers
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Post by: koridon
who uses hydras
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Post by: Painnen
scubasteve04 wrote:Demon prince with wings and other junk
dont know the cost
14 Hormagants w/Toxin sacs and Adrenal Glands (140pts)
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Post by: Exark
Hellhound - 140 ish points
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Post by: ChrisWWII
Only 130 pts actually.
Devil Dog-120 pts
And I'd vote against the Hydra ban....it's a competitive unit, and a good response to most things. The fact that some people have a...misunderstanding of its capabilities does not make it an unbalanced unit.
Hell, if you're going to ban the Hydra in this discussion, why not ban TH/SS Termies?
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Post by: Exark
Land Speeder SQ with two MMs (two speeders), 120 points
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Post by: EmilCrane
Exark wrote:Land Speeder SQ with two MMs (two speeders), 120 points
Imperial Guard Heavy Weapon Team with auto cannons 75 pts
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Post by: koridon
5 scouts with sniper rifles, camo cloaks, from cover -90
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Post by: Jabbdo
Mephiston
250
lol
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Post by: koridon
wow the ba named librarian, over kill
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Post by: AlmightyWalrus
D'oh, fail on my part, was so sure that Hydras were skimmers. However, I also failed on the range of the autocannons, it's 72''! Thus, I STILL don't think that TH/SS termies'd win, since there's two Hydras and you can't assault on the turn you deep strike.
Oh, and I'll ignore Meph since he's almost 3 times the cost of the scouts.
Countering 5 scouts, 1 Colossus - 140 points
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Post by: EmilCrane
AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Countering 5 scouts, 1 Colossus - 140 points
Vendetta- 130 pts
Also, if we're ignoring points regarding Mephiston
BT command Squad of Doom
Marshall
Thunder Hammer, Storm Shield, Artificer Armour, Holy Orb of Antioch, Iron Halo, Bionics, Auspex, terminator honours
Master of Sanctity
Crozius Arcanum, Plasma Pistol, Artificer Armour, Holy Orb of Antioch, Bionics, Melta bombs, frag grenades, terminator honours
Command Squad
Sergeant with a pair of Lightning Claws, terminator honours, melta bombs
Apothecary with thunder hammer, storm shield, terminator honours
Company Champion with a pair of lightning claws, terminator honours
Standard Bearer with thunder hammer, storm shield, terminator honours, and the fighting company standard
6x Initiates with Bolt Pistol and Close Combat Weapon, terminator honours
The entire squad has frag and Krak grenades, and the whole unit (including the characters) has furious charge.
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Post by: Exark
Hydra x 2 - 150 points
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Post by: rivers64
The Avatar – 155
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Post by: AlmightyWalrus
Grey Knight Grand Master with Icon of the Just - 170 points
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Post by: scubasteve04
I have no idea what that guys stats are, so I'm just gonna say:
30 slugga boys 180pts
because they will probably kill him
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Post by: shrike
command squad
5x flamers
drop pod
170pts
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Post by: scubasteve04
shrike wrote:command squad
5x flamers
drop pod
170pts
2x Typhoon Speeders -180pts
inb4 hydras
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Post by: shrike
2x AC/HB speeders- 180pts
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Post by: scubasteve04
2x rifleman Dreadnoughts -250pts
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Post by: Avatar 720
2x Crisis Battlesuit Monats w/ TL Fusion Blasters and Targetting Arrays - 106pts
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Post by: scubasteve04
5 Sniper scouts with camo cloaks and a missile launcher - 100pts
deployed in cover
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Post by: AlmightyWalrus
Colossus - 140 points.
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Post by: scubasteve04
Dreadnought (MM) with drop pod- 140pts
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Post by: Avatar 720
Obliterator - 75pts
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Post by: scubasteve04
fgsfds- 200pts
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Post by: ChrisWWII
....What the hell is fgsfds?
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Post by: scubasteve04
oh, I meant
Lysander 200pts
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Post by: Painnen
scubasteve04 wrote:oh, I meant
Lysander 200pts
x8 Genestealers w/Toxin Sacs + Broodlord w/Toxin Sacs, Hypnotic Gaze pts. 199. (possible to wipe him on the charge w/out return hits even if Hypnotic Gaze fails)
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Post by: ChrisWWII
Leman RUss Demolisher, 3x Heavy Flamer: 185 pts
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Post by: scubasteve04
ChrisWWII wrote:Leman RUss Demolisher, 3x Heavy Flamer: 185 pts
1x MM attack bike- 50pts
1x MM attack bike- 50pts
1x MM attack bike- 50pts
150pts
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Post by: Avatar 720
Hammerhead w/ Railgun, Burst Cannons, Disruption Pods and Multi-Tracker.
72" S10 AP1 awesomeness on a fast vehicle with a 4+ cover save against shooting from outside 12"
Woah, woah, woah, how can that MM attack bike edit have happened before I posted this? When I typed this post, it was 2 Dakka preds, when it was posted it was 4 Land Speeders...
Now the edit time has changed again... is this forum on drugs?
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Post by: scubasteve04
Avatar 720 wrote:Hammerhead w/ Railgun, Burst Cannons, Disruption Pods and Multi-Tracker.
72" S10 AP1 awesomeness on a fast vehicle with a 4+ cover save against shooting from outside 12"
5 Terminators, cyclone missile launcher deep striking- 200pts
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Post by: Avatar 720
2 Obliterators - 150pts
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Post by: scubasteve04
TH/SS terminators- 200pts
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Post by: Avatar 720
15 Generic Lesser Daemons - 195pts
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Post by: scubasteve04
Tactical squad, flamer, combi flamer, rhino- 215pts
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2x Imperial Guard Veterans Squad: 2x Melta, 3x Plasma
205 pts
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Post by: scubasteve04
2 thunderfire cannons- 200pts
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Post by: koridon
5 man vanguard squad with, jp , 1 relic blade, 2 power swords -220
deep strike, heroic intervention
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Post by: scubasteve04
koridon wrote:5 man vanguard squad with, jp , 1 relic blade, 2 power swords -220
deep strike, heroic intervention
If they are deployed apart, you can deep strike and kill one, then you gotta cross 60" of table while the other one is firing sub-terrainian blast at you. 3-4 turns later, all those DT and armor saves later they are dead.
Either way, Land raider redeemer 240pts
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Post by: Painnen
scubasteve04 wrote:Either way, Land raider redeemer 240pts
x3 Zoanthropes in a Mycetic Pod w/Venom Cannon pts.240
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Post by: scubasteve04
Painnen wrote:scubasteve04 wrote:Either way, Land raider redeemer 240pts
x3 Zoanthropes in a Mycetic Pod w/Venom Cannon pts.240
6x TH/ SS terms
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Post by: anon/rassilon
7 Pariahs - 252
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Post by: scubasteve04
anon/rassilon wrote:7 Pariahs - 252
10 Sternguard- 250pts
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Post by: Painnen
scubasteve04 wrote:anon/rassilon wrote:7 Pariahs - 252
10 Sternguard- 250pts
x20 Termagants w/Devourers w/Mycetic Pod w/Cluster Spines, Ripper Tentacles (250pts)
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Post by: scubasteve04
Ironclad Dreadnought, twin heavy flamers and drop pod- 185pts
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Post by: AlmightyWalrus
Lysander - 200 points
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Post by: scubasteve04
nightbringer 360pts
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Post by: ChrisWWII
160 points up? That's too big a jump for me. Responding to Lysander....
Leman Russ Executioner w/ Lascannon: 205 pts
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Post by: anon/rassilon
Scubasteve, you jumped 160 points there. WTF?
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Post by: Avatar 720
ChrisWWII wrote:160 points up? That's too big a jump for me. Responding to Lysander....
Leman Russ Executioner w/ Lascannon: 205 pts
Crisis Battlesuit w/ TL Fusion Blasters and Targetting Array - 53pts
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Post by: Lokirfellheart
10 Grots-30pts
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Post by: Inquisitor_Syphonious
ChrisWWII wrote:160 points up? That's too big a jump for me. Responding to Lysander....
Leman Russ Executioner w/ Lascannon: 205 pts
3 Obliterators-225
Deepstriking 2+ twin-linked meltas ho!
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Post by: jdjamesdean@mail.com
Avatar 720 wrote:ChrisWWII wrote:160 points up? That's too big a jump for me. Responding to Lysander....
Leman Russ Executioner w/ Lascannon: 205 pts
Crisis Battlesuit w/ TL Fusion Blasters and Targetting Array - 53pts
Marbo
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Post by: ChrisWWII
Dedrith wrote:
-Guardsman Marbo may no longer be posted, he's great I know, but he's coming up too often.
I have no idea what the grots were in response to, but to the Obliterators. 3x Hydra 225 pts
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Post by: jdjamesdean@mail.com
ChrisWWII wrote:Dedrith wrote:
-Guardsman Marbo may no longer be posted, he's great I know, but he's coming up too often.
I have no idea what the grots were in response to, but to the Obliterators. 3x Hydra 225 pts
well no marbo than ...
let's go with outflanking squadron of 2xVendetta 260
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Post by: rivers64
LR achilees – 300
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Post by: Inquisitor_Syphonious
ChrisWWII wrote:Dedrith wrote:
-Guardsman Marbo may no longer be posted, he's great I know, but he's coming up too often.
I have no idea what the grots were in response to, but to the Obliterators. 3x Hydra 225 pts
In response to the hydras, 3 obliterators, you're serious about HYDRA'S beating obliterators?
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LR Achilees – 300
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Post by: jdjamesdean@mail.com
rivers64 wrote:LR Achilees – 300
bloodthirster 250 and best part is is'nt from FW
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Post by: ChrisWWII
Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:In response to the hydras, 3 obliterators, you're serious about HYDRA'S beating obliterators?
Well, yeah. 12 twinlinked S7 shots a turn while you close to melta range? I think that'd take down most thing.
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Post by: jdjamesdean@mail.com
ChrisWWII wrote:Well, yeah. 12 twinlinked S7 shots a turn while you close to melta range? I think that'd take down most thing.
what? ??
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??
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Post by: ChrisWWII
Sorry, that was a response to Inquisitor Syphonious. I was jut lazy, and forgot to put in the quotation.
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Post by: Avatar 720
ChrisWWII wrote:Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:In response to the hydras, 3 obliterators, you're serious about HYDRA'S beating obliterators?
Well, yeah. 12 twinlinked S7 shots a turn while you close to melta range? I think that'd take down most thing.
Why do they need meltas? They're slow and purposeful and have lascannons...
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Post by: Valkyrie
Avatar 720 wrote:ChrisWWII wrote:Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:In response to the hydras, 3 obliterators, you're serious about HYDRA'S beating obliterators?
Well, yeah. 12 twinlinked S7 shots a turn while you close to melta range? I think that'd take down most thing.
Why do they need meltas? They're slow and purposeful and have lascannons...
Even Lascannons can roll a 1 to penetrate...
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Post by: ChrisWWII
They have lascannons? I'm pretty sure it was mentioned they were using meltas. Or do they have both, given that 'produce weapons out of their flesh' thing? The point is, I can likely put out enough dakka to put them down.
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Post by: scubasteve04
Oblits deep strike in and kill side 10 armor with MM or Lascannon. They also have a 2+ save and 2 W each. Hydras do not stand a chance.
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Post by: Avatar 720
Valkyrie wrote:Avatar 720 wrote:ChrisWWII wrote:Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:In response to the hydras, 3 obliterators, you're serious about HYDRA'S beating obliterators?
Well, yeah. 12 twinlinked S7 shots a turn while you close to melta range? I think that'd take down most thing.
Why do they need meltas? They're slow and purposeful and have lascannons...
Even Lascannons can roll a 1 to penetrate...
Yes, autocannons can also roll 1s to wound. Doesn't mean it's going to happen the whole time.
They have lascannons? I'm pretty sure it was mentioned they were using meltas. Or do they have both, given that 'produce weapons out of their flesh' thing? The point is, I can likely put out enough dakka to put them down.
They have twin-Linked meltaguns, multi-meltas and lascannons on-top of a few other anti-personnel weaponry. The Obliterator Weapons rule allows them to pick a weapon from the list in their codex entry and use it for that turn.
They'd probably just deep-strike down anyway, but assuming they start on the board and you can stay at 48.1"+ away at all times, you'd eventually win after chewing through 3 walking armouries with 2+ saves and 2 wounds each.
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Post by: Exark
jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:rivers64 wrote:LR Achilees – 300
bloodthirster 250 and best part is is'nt from FW 
The Swarmlord - 280 points, giving himself FC, and using Paroxysm on the bloodthirster, also, charging
or
The Nightbringer - 360 points
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Post by: rivers64
LR Achilles – 300
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DDM in Lucious Pattern Drop Pod- 155
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Post by: scubasteve04
jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:DDM in Lucious Pattern Drop Pod- 155
no idea what that is, so Lysander- 200pts
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Post by: jdjamesdean@mail.com
sorry shorthand for Dreadnought, and its the assualt drop pod from IA ... whoops
5 Man Termie Assault Squad 3th/ss 2lc
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Post by: The Imperator
Ignore this post! i was not aware of Lysanders rules and im pretty sure the trygon prime i posted wouldnt win so......
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Post by: scubasteve04
jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:sorry shorthand for Dreadnought, and its the assualt drop pod from IA ... whoops
5 Man Termie Assault Squad 3th/ss 2lc
30 slugga boys- 180pts
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Post by: koridon
3 land speeders with heavy bolters and heavy flamers -180
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Dreadnought 2x TL AC- 125pts
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Heavy Weapons Squad: 3x Lascannon-105 pts
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x5 Hellions - 80 points
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Sternguard veteran squad using dragonfire bolts - 125 points
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