The "all the models in the unit with this special rule" part of that would seem to cover what Tyran referred to.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
This just got posted in the WFB End Times III thread. Looks like we're back to Shield of Baal campaign.

Madrilous wrote:
Image of the Issue 44 Preview, looks like we are back to 40k again: (Source http://www.talkwargaming.com/2014/11/leaks-warhammer-khaine-revealed.html)

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 Frozen Ocean wrote:
Not that GW would necessarily care, but it would totally invalidate the large numbers of Broodlord models people have purchased over the years. Besides, having that enormous thing be the new "sergeant" would be awful.

Awful how? lol. It's a big snippy clawed brood leader beast- with psychic powers too I might add.

@MidnightDB: 140 Genestealers. Good god, man.

Yeah... I like the OOP genestealers a tad bit too much hehe,,, works great for space hulk though!

I too love the old genestealers. I'd like to have more... Not 140, but more.

That's about as many as I have. I have over 100 original Genestealers thanks to the fine folks on eBay.

Can the Toxic Formation tyrant join a group of tyrant guard? Or does he have to roll by himself because its not part of the formation?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
That's about as many as I have. I have over 100 original Genestealers thanks to the fine folks on eBay.

Indeed ebay people are my favorite people....sometimes....

RandomNoob wrote:
Can the Toxic Formation tyrant join a group of tyrant guard? Or does he have to roll by himself because its not part of the formation?

Aye, they can, as long as you take another detachment where you can take the Brood of Tyrant Guard.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
I was just thinking that. I'd like to see more Primes, and removing the Broodlord as a "sergeant" upgrade would just be silly.

Any more silly than when they changed the HQ Broodlord and made 'im a Sergeant?

Yes, because people have bought that model for use as a Sergeant upgrade, and could continue to buy that model. While I'm not personally a fan of it and would rather convert a Broodlord, it's not good to invalidate things. Also, though, what I said about making that enormous thing into a squad upgrade - it's cool and I want one, but it's just not as imposing if it's in every brood.

I'm quite disappointed with the psychic formation, as I'd hoped for it to save the Maleceptor (and finally display some of that Tyranid psychic supremacy we haven't seen in so long). It's a bit strange that the toxic version has a Tyrant and the psychic one doesn't, since Tyrants are rather renowned for their psychic ability (supposedly).

The "Baneblade-sized bug" is the Toxicrene. In a White Dwarf, there was a top-down view of the Toxicrene and a comment saying that, with its very long tentacles, it's as wide as or wider than a Baneblade.

I'm not sure why GW have chosen to continue down the path of another static posed Broodlord. As if the first one wasn't bad enough.

 Medium of Death wrote:
I'm not sure why GW have chosen to continue down the path of another static posed Broodlord. As if the first one wasn't bad enough.

In fairness, the new one looks better than the Metal/Finecast one.

Its always been my assumption the silly pose of the metal/Finecast Broodlord was a failed assembly problem. If you rotate the legs 90 degrees in the leg sockets you get a completely different and much better pose.

 Medium of Death wrote:
I'm not sure why GW have chosen to continue down the path of another static posed Broodlord. As if the first one wasn't bad enough.

timd wrote:
Its always been my assumption the silly pose of the metal/Finecast Broodlord was a failed assembly problem. If you rotate the legs 90 degrees in the leg sockets you get a completely different and much better pose.

 Medium of Death wrote:
I'm not sure why GW have chosen to continue down the path of another static posed Broodlord. As if the first one wasn't bad enough.

I don't like this pose at all. Looks goofy, like they are falling over. I'm also a fan of the Come At Me Bro-odlord.

If I were to reposition the Broodlord, i'd do something like this:

Copied from the Blood Angels rumour thread:

This set comes from more than one source.


via anonymous sources on Faeit 212 *****
two releases next week for 40k and the rest is hobbit and some bases.
Shield of Baal box set $125 25 miniatures, campaign supplement, and rules
Shield of Baal: Deasthstorm $24 hardback 125pgs

Contents of the box set
Small Rulebook with Blood Angels on Front
Campaign Supplement -40pages
3 missions, rules and dataslates for each model, two formations- Strike Force Deathstorm and Phodian Annihilation Swarm

Blood Angels Strike Force- 12 models
Captain Karlean, 5 terminators, 5 deasth company, and a death company dreadnought

Phodian Annihilation Swarm- 13 models
Spawn of Cryptus, 8 genestrealers, 3 warriors, and a carnifex

The Spawn of Cryptus is a very large Broodlord towering over the height of warriors. Both the Spawn of Cryptus and Captian Karlean are new models.

Interesting... so not a new Broodlord per se, but an actual character-Broodlord? I am intrigued.

If he added "unit may assault the turn it deepstrikes" I would buy it at a high price. ;-)

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Interesting... so not a new Broodlord per se, but an actual character-Broodlord? I am intrigued.

If he added "unit may assault the turn it deepstrikes" I would buy it at a high price. ;-)

Coorrrr that would be fricking awesome.

Apparently you can download these from black library now:

http://www.blacklibrary.com/Downloads/Product/PDF/rules/Mucolid-Spore-Cluster-EN.pdf
http://www.blacklibrary.com/Downloads/Product/PDF/rules/Sporocyst-EN.pdf
http://www.blacklibrary.com/Downloads/Product/PDF/rules/Tyrannocyte-EN.pdf
http://www.blacklibrary.com/Downloads/Product/PDF/rules/Zoanthrope-Brood-EN.pdf

I missed out on Stormclaw, but I'll probably grab one of these for the tyranids.

Haven't purchased anything from GW modelwise in a couple of years. Would get this in a heart beat as i collect both armies.

I was looking at the Tyrannocytes and thinking about rolling the "Big Guns Never Tire" Mission and have a whole bunch of them.

a carnifex, warriors, and genestealers. the three nits I definitely dont need any more of. to get a single character genestealer? fair enough for me.

 TyCorny wrote:
a carnifex, warriors, and genestealers. the three nits I definitely dont need any more of. to get a single character genestealer? fair enough for me.

I need 3/ 4 so works fine for me :]

The Nid player in our group was looking at 3x 30 Model Termagant Broods and the 3x Tervigons in 3x Tyrannocytes to drop in the enemy's Backfield.

 Anpu42 wrote:
The Nid player in our group was looking at 3x 30 Model Termagant Broods and the 3x Tervigons in 3x Tyrannocytes to drop in the enemy's Backfield.

That's just mean.

 Anpu42 wrote:
I was looking at the Tyrannocytes and thinking about rolling the "Big Guns Never Tire" Mission and have a whole bunch of them.

Hey, welcome to my last Saturday night!

I lost on turn 7, but had it won on turns 5 and 6, and the dice gods helped me snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. BGNT can put you at a disadvantage, but Tyrannocytes are at least much more durable than the old mycetic spores. At T4 and W3, those things would pop like friggin' soap bubbles. Plus, being able to move Tyrannocytes is very, very nice.

 pretre wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:
The Nid player in our group was looking at 3x 30 Model Termagant Broods and the 3x Tervigons in 3x Tyrannocytes to drop in the enemy's Backfield.

That's just mean.

It's also illegal.

Tyrannocytes hold twenty models, not thirty.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:
The Nid player in our group was looking at 3x 30 Model Termagant Broods and the 3x Tervigons in 3x Tyrannocytes to drop in the enemy's Backfield.

That's just mean.

It's also illegal.

Tyrannocytes hold twenty models, not thirty.

Probably a typo, but still mean.

 TyCorny wrote:
a carnifex, warriors, and genestealers. the three nits I definitely dont need any more of. to get a single character genestealer? fair enough for me.

I need a Carnifex. I have so many, many Tyranids and I don't own a single Carnifex. It's a shame! I also need some of the new Warriors (although I have many of the previous ones), and I definitely don't have enough Genestealers. This box might just tempt me.

EDIT: Free rules from GW? Wow! Pity the Neurothrope isn't all that great.

The Carnifex kit is IMO the best Warhammer kit there is, such a great build.

I know! I've wanted one for a long, long time. It's just never happened for some reason, and that's something I really need to fix. It's definitely one of my favourite Tyranids. I really don't know why I don't have six of them at this stage.

 Iechine wrote:
The Carnifex kit is IMO the best Warhammer kit there is, such a great build.

Off topic-

really? It's an awful mould. Riptide is by far the best model out there for 40k.

 streamdragon wrote:
I missed out on Stormclaw, but I'll probably grab one of these for the tyranids.

I think I still saw it on a shelf where I buy my 40K stuff.

Agonizing over this box set. That Broodlord is awesome, and a new Carnifex would be cool. But I don't need more Genestealers or Warriors. Also not really into Blood Angels (although they are sure to find a home if I tried). Not sure whether I want to commit to the set. Alternatively, the choice might be made for me - as things sell-out so damn fast!

rollawaythestone wrote:
Agonizing over this box set. ... Not sure whether I want to commit to the set. Alternatively, the choice might be made for me - as things sell-out so damn fast!

Ah, looks like GW plan is working. People who would not normally buy is ready to impulse buy now. Shamefully it's working on me as well. I am thinking of getting it as well. Problem is I might be too slow in ordering it and will be sold out by then.

Davor wrote:

rollawaythestone wrote:
Agonizing over this box set. ... Not sure whether I want to commit to the set. Alternatively, the choice might be made for me - as things sell-out so damn fast!

Ah, looks like GW plan is working. People who would not normally buy is ready to impulse buy now. Shamefully it's working on me as well. I am thinking of getting it as well. Problem is I might be too slow in ordering it and will be sold out by then.

Yup. Exactly this. These boxsets are such a great idea for them. They can sell under-sold model kits (things like Genestealers / Warriors) and while getting people to buy-in to a second army. Or splitting it with a friend - increasing the number of new players in the game, or armies existing players collect.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:
The Nid player in our group was looking at 3x 30 Model Termagant Broods and the 3x Tervigons in 3x Tyrannocytes to drop in the enemy's Backfield.

That's just mean.

It's also illegal.

Tyrannocytes hold twenty models, not thirty.

Yes it is legal as the three Tyrannocytes will carry the Three Tervigons.

 Anpu42 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:
The Nid player in our group was looking at 3x 30 Model Termagant Broods and the 3x Tervigons in 3x Tyrannocytes to drop in the enemy's Backfield.

That's just mean.

It's also illegal.

Tyrannocytes hold twenty models, not thirty.

Yes it is legal as the three Tyrannocytes will carry the Three Tervigons.

Are they putting 30 Termagants in Tyrannocytes?
Because, again, it's twenty model capacity.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:
The Nid player in our group was looking at 3x 30 Model Termagant Broods and the 3x Tervigons in 3x Tyrannocytes to drop in the enemy's Backfield.

That's just mean.

It's also illegal.

Tyrannocytes hold twenty models, not thirty.

Yes it is legal as the three Tyrannocytes will carry the Three Tervigons.

Are they putting 30 Termagants in Tyrannocytes?
Because, again, it's twenty model capacity.

There's only 3 Tyrannos for the three Tervs. I imagine the Terms are just for spawning purposes or outflanking.

 pretre wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:
The Nid player in our group was looking at 3x 30 Model Termagant Broods and the 3x Tervigons in 3x Tyrannocytes to drop in the enemy's Backfield.

That's just mean.

It's also illegal.

Tyrannocytes hold twenty models, not thirty.

Yes it is legal as the three Tyrannocytes will carry the Three Tervigons.

Are they putting 30 Termagants in Tyrannocytes?
Because, again, it's twenty model capacity.

There's only 3 Tyrannos for the three Tervs. I imagine the Terms are just for spawning purposes or outflanking.

3x Tervigons in 3x Tyrannocytes for deep Striking Spawning Objective Secure Goodness.
3x 30 Termagants to make the 3x Tervigons Troop Choices
and a Bucket-Load of Termagants for Spawning.

The way it was originally written it, looked like you were using 6 tyranocytes.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:
The Nid player in our group was looking at 3x 30 Model Termagant Broods and the 3x Tervigons in 3x Tyrannocytes to drop in the enemy's Backfield.

That's just mean.

It's also illegal.

Tyrannocytes hold twenty models, not thirty.

30-Terv Unit makes Tervigons a troop-choice. I assume he was putting those in the back-field as OB-sec.

So completely legal.

Is this new boxed set a limited thing? I can use all the Tyranid models and I don't have a copy of the rulebook so I would really like to get it.

I need a new FLGS. I tried to order two copies of the box set and they told me they couldn't get any.

 adamsouza wrote:
I need a new FLGS. I tried to order two copies of the box set and they told me they couldn't get any.

Which box?

Because as of right now, it's not supposed to be available.

Hmm... it doesn't come with any Gaunts. That's actually fantastic, as I don't want any more Gaunts. I don't need any more 'Stealers, but whatever, 8 more 'Stealers is better than 12+ more 'Gaunts.

How many Carnifexes would that bring me to... 11 I think, not including the two old metal ones.

Ok, I can use all the models in here...traded away all of my old 1st and 2nd ed Space Hulk stealers to a friend a few years back, so need more of them. Currently have only three Warriors, so 3 more would be great. I have only one 'Fex, so a pair would be great...in fact, two of these sets would be great! My best bud plays Blood Angels, so I'm sure he could use them....and I have yet to purchase the 7th ed rules...so, win-win-win-win-win! Now i just have to click faster than everyone else, so I can get one before they sell out 10 minutes after they go up for preorder....

 Kanluwen wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
I need a new FLGS. I tried to order two copies of the box set and they told me they couldn't get any.

Which box? Because as of right now, it's not supposed to be available.

Shield of Baal: Deathstorm

I know it's technically not available yet, but I was letting him know, so that if he couldn't get enough, I would have been the first come, first served.

He said it was limited and they wouldn't be getting any.
Which bothers me because ,like you pointed out, it's not officially available yet and this is the same store where I bought the Stormclaw box set.

 Wilson wrote:

 Iechine wrote:
The Carnifex kit is IMO the best Warhammer kit there is, such a great build.

Off topic-

really? It's an awful mould. Riptide is by far the best model out there for 40k.

I always really liked the carnifex, one of the first non-Tau models I bought for 40k and one of the ones I had the most fun building just because the model looked so awesome. That said the kit itself isn't so great, but that's more due to age than anything. It's been a while but if I remember right the sprues are awful bare, like most large, older kits like the devilfish or wave serpent; lots of empty space that nowadays would be packed full of random bits (or wasted with bits you can't use because it's a dual kit and you can only build one of the models, but you know).

 adamsouza wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
I need a new FLGS. I tried to order two copies of the box set and they told me they couldn't get any.

Which box? Because as of right now, it's not supposed to be available.

Shield of Baal: Deathstorm

I know it's technically not available yet, but I was letting him know, so that if he couldn't get enough, I would have been the first come, first served.

He said it was limited and they wouldn't be getting any.
Which bothers me because ,like you pointed out, it's not officially available yet and this is the same store where I bought the Stormclaw box set.

I've been to my local store - ask about shield of Baal box set.. My local made a call to see what dates boxset will release -- GW HQ said it is false.. So was the rumour incorrect? Where the proof?

They deny anything is coming out until it's announced in White Dwarf or on their site.

They'd try and deny a new white dwarf coming out at the end of each week if they could...

 Hulksmash wrote:
They deny anything is coming out until it's announced in White Dwarf or on their site.

Then I would do same as this black cat would do!!

 Bloodhorror wrote:
They'd try and deny a new white dwarf coming out at the end of each week if they could...

NEXT WEEK... NOTHING !!
Be sure to buy the new White Dwarf and read all about it

Sure hope the Tyanid contents are right with those rumors- I enjoy putting together warriors, and I can always use another Carnifex.

Now just imagine all the joy and kittens if these were the Space Hulk Terminators and Genestealers !!

 adamsouza wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
I need a new FLGS. I tried to order two copies of the box set and they told me they couldn't get any.

Which box? Because as of right now, it's not supposed to be available.

Shield of Baal: Deathstorm

I know it's technically not available yet, but I was letting him know, so that if he couldn't get enough, I would have been the first come, first served.

He said it was limited and they wouldn't be getting any.
Which bothers me because ,like you pointed out, it's not officially available yet and this is the same store where I bought the Stormclaw box set.

I wouldn't trust anything the shop owner is told or tells you before they actually have the details of the preorders in hand. GW try to hide everything about new releases even when the internet has figured it out long ago (though they have really cut down on leaks now).

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I wouldn't trust anything the shop owner is told or tells you before they actually have the details of the preorders in hand. GW try to hide everything about new releases even when the internet has figured it out long ago (though they have really cut down on leaks now).

I know it's BS, that's why I'm aggrivated. He's not even going to try to order it now.

Saturday afternoon I'm taking a road trip to the next closest gaming shop about a 45 minutes drive from here.

I WILL have my mini rule book, with Blood Angels Logo on top, or the streets will run red with the blood of heretics !!!

New store suppossedly is much better stocked with GW product, so might snag me some new nids while I'm there as well.

 adamsouza wrote:
I WILL have my mini rule book, with Blood Angels Logo on top, or the streets will run red with the blood of heretics !!!

I doubt you'll get that. The Stormclaw mini rulebook was just the standard one that's in the Dark Vengence set, no special logo or anything. I imagine this one will be the same as well.

I think I may have to dip into this box. Good thing payday is end of next week. Considering I have both Flesh Tearers and Tyranids...

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
I WILL have my mini rule book, with Blood Angels Logo on top, or the streets will run red with the blood of heretics !!!

I doubt you'll get that. The Stormclaw mini rulebook was just the standard one that's in the Dark Vengence set, no special logo or anything. I imagine this one will be the same as well.

The stormclaw mini rulebook was almost certainly the same print run as the mini rule books included in Dark Vengeance. It would cost GW alomst nothing to change the cover art on a later print run while increasing sales, especially amongst Blood Angels Players and completionist collectors.

They could... I wouldn't be counting on it though.

I'm sure it would have cost them almost nothing to do the Stormclaw rulebook as different cover as well. But almost nothing is still more than absolutely nothing.

AllSeeingSkink 621735 7374178 nulle wrote: GW try to hide everything about new releases even when the internet has figured it out long ago (though they have really cut down on leaks now).

GW is trying to hide stuff? Who do you think is giving out these leaks? It's GW themselves giving it to someone to "leak" it out.

Davor wrote:

AllSeeingSkink 621735 7374178 nulle wrote: GW try to hide everything about new releases even when the internet has figured it out long ago (though they have really cut down on leaks now).

GW is trying to hide stuff? Who do you think is giving out these leaks? It's GW themselves giving it to someone to "leak" it out.

GW's upper management staff don't want leaks to get out before they can launch the information and build the hype up themselves. They know that hype before a launch is important, but seem to prefer short term hype building instead of long term - hence why they want to cut down on leaks. I suspect its also because sometimes models DO get shelved or put on hold - leaks only serves to harm sales because people get hyped up about stuff coming in months and thus save instead of spending today (esp if what is coming in months takes way more than the leak suggested at the time).

Most of the leaks are from employees who risk their jobs to slip the leak out - or they are shop staff when the orders go out.

Others are based upon patterns of behaviour (GW releases something on the same cycle thus you can assume a new one will come at the next instance of the cycle).

Davor wrote:

AllSeeingSkink 621735 7374178 nulle wrote: GW try to hide everything about new releases even when the internet has figured it out long ago (though they have really cut down on leaks now).

GW is trying to hide stuff? Who do you think is giving out these leaks? It's GW themselves giving it to someone to "leak" it out.

I don't think GW wanted leaks... given then fact they've now plugged most the major leaks.

So having read a lot of the Shield of Baal book yesterday, it's safe to say "holy gak". There's some really interesting stuff going down in there, like a Tyranid fleet using a spacial anomaly to give themselves ablative ice armour to buff themselves against the impending Imperial fleet attack.

Is it outlandish Draigo level interesting, or just interesting Hive mind cool?

Cheers, the broodlord comes with a new base format it seems:



Source: http://citadelofpaint.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/new-broodlord-with-new-base.html

According to Natfka's release list this could be a 32 mm base size, although his source calls it round (typo?). We will see

I think it might just be a round base with the curve of the magazine page making it look like a different shape. An oval base at that size seems a bit pointless.

The rest of the page doesn't look that distorted. I think it's a new base size. It may seem pointless but a lot of things GW do don't make sense so eh "shrug".

I'd bet it's round, but either way it's clearly not the regular 40mm one the Alpha usually has

I know there's some bases to buy separately going up for pre order soon, I think a 55mm and a 170mm. So it could be 55mm oval?

My bad, apparently its 32mm round, 50mm round and 170mm oval.

Yes, those are the sizes Natfka's source reported


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There is another photo showing the base next to round ones

https://yourlordandmaster.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/new-tryanid-broodlord-3.jpg

Anyway, pics of the upcoming WD will probably get leaked in the next 48 hours showing the content of the box

 ImAGeek wrote:
I know there's some bases to buy separately going up for pre order soon, I think a 55mm and a 170mm. So it could be 55mm oval?

My bad, apparently its 32mm round, 50mm round and 170mm oval.

No idea what the 32mm round are for. 50mm round and the 170mm oval, nice. I could use more centurion and knight bases.

The broodlord looks like he is on a 50mm round himself.

I really like that Broodlord model. So torn about this boxset, as nothing but the Broodlord and Carnifex really interests me (also the rulebook).

rollawaythestone wrote:
I really like that Broodlord model. So torn about this boxset, as nothing but the Broodlord and Carnifex really interests me (also the rulebook).

it's okay, the Broodlord, Carnifex and rulebook probably retail for as much seperately as this box set, do the other stuff is just freebies for you.

Warhams-77 wrote:

Anyway, pics of the upcoming WD will probably get leaked in the next 48 hours showing the content of the box

I hope so.

Am I correct that the Natfka rumour places the pre-order date at 28th November?

Correct, Souleater

The round 32mm bases on the pre-order list seem to be the small clear flyer bases you get with jetbikes or gargoyles. Not new then

Felwether just posted on Warseer

White Dwarf just arrived. The Deathstorm box is €100. Karlaen looks pretty cool, he's got a storm bolter and thunder hammer and a cool iron halo built around a chalice. I'll try to get some pics up later on.

White Dwarf also mentions new 32mm round bases for release which is weird.

Perhaps most interestingly, the Next Week section has the line "On deadly wings they come". Codex next week?

Yeah Pics today of the new Deathstorm set

Their wings are deadly? Are they just really spiky or something? Sure, a swan can hurt if it hits you with those wings, and I imagine a Tyranid's would be strong enough to kill, but it's rather absurd imagery.

Warhams-77 wrote:
Cheers, the broodlord comes with a new base format it seems:



Source: http://citadelofpaint.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/new-broodlord-with-new-base.html

According to Natfka's release list this could be a 32 mm base size, although his source calls it round (typo?). We will see

Seeing those little rending hands and that toothy smile makes me think of this picture/character...


But it's safe to say that with the last few weeks of these releases my nids are definitely coming of hiatus! Good job payday is this friday too, other people can suffer this christmas but im definitely not going to be...

So in real money it's $157.
...GW why you do dis...