AllSeeingSkink wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
I only wish it was cheaper, 75 points is a bit pricy for a one way delivery system.

This is why I don't like the instant death rules. If your opponent has a bit of S10, then 75pts is a bit painful to lose in 1 shot. If your opponent doesn't have any S10, then you're looking at 12.5pts per T5 4+ save wound which is actually pretty good and will take a decent amount of firepower to bring down.

Yes, but how much did your opponent pay for that s10 shot?

 silverstu wrote:

 ChaosxVoid wrote:
My only fear is the cost of these bugstards, It might have been said already but I can't be bothered at 11 pm lol, but this might just call for the return my purple and red nids

Supposed to be around £37 each- not bad at all I think.

Oh thats actually not that bad, damn.
Guess I'll be dusting off the red and purple horde.

 flukezor wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
I only wish it was cheaper, 75 points is a bit pricy for a one way delivery system.

This is why I don't like the instant death rules. If your opponent has a bit of S10, then 75pts is a bit painful to lose in 1 shot. If your opponent doesn't have any S10, then you're looking at 12.5pts per T5 4+ save wound which is actually pretty good and will take a decent amount of firepower to bring down.

Yes, but how much did your opponent pay for that s10 shot?

Many S10 things are cheap enough that 75pts in a single turn is a good rate of return. Demolisher or Manticore are 170pts, if 1 of those turns is a 75pt model I think that's a decent rate of return (though against a Tyranid army you can quite possibly find an even juicer target). Vindicator is only 125pts, if it lives long enough to shoot it. Wraithknight is 240pts, but it's hardly spending 240pts to kill a 75pt model, in the turns it's not shooting the drop pod thingo it'll be stripping wounds off other MC's.

So yeah, I stand by what I said, if your opponent is packing a bit of S10, 75pts for a single wound and no armour save isn't a great rate of return.

Many S10 things are cheap enough that 75pts in a single turn is a good rate of return. Demolisher or Manticore are 170pts, if 1 of those turns is a 75pt model I think that's a decent rate of return (though against a Tyranid army you can quite possibly find an even juicer target). Vindicator is only 125pts, if it lives long enough to shoot it. Wraithknight is 240pts, but it's hardly spending 240pts to kill a 75pt model, in the turns it's not shooting the drop pod thingo it'll be stripping wounds off other MC's.

So yeah, I stand by what I said, if your opponent is packing a bit of S10, 75pts for a single wound and no armour save isn't a great rate of return.

Don't drop your pod right in front of the S10 weapons then? With the 6 inch disembark and the mishap avoidance there should be plenty of opportunities to get close and yet get cover or LOS blocked from the S10 stuff.
Also if the thing that got out of the pod (or something else on the table) isn't scarier than the 75 point pod then you're not putting enough threats into your opponents face.

There are way more expensive things that will also get one-shot by S10 weapons. Why point this out specifically?

I have to agree, the "They have ID to strength 10" is really not that big a deal. Most armies don't really have a lot of access to strength 10. I can't even remember the last time I saw a Railhead on the Tabletop.

The only regular strength 10 that I see run regularly competitively, is usually a Wraith Knight.

Plus, if they do have strength 10 I'd rather them point it at my drop pod that's already done it's primary job, than something else anyway.

If it was ID to strength 8, then I would concede an issue. Strength 10 ID is really not an issue though.

When i hear people complain about getting doubled out on T5 models all I can think of is this....

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Seriously for 75 points each you can have 3.5 of them which is the cost of one stock wraithknight....

Do what they do in the movie frozen... Let it go...its a awesome model with good rules.

As a long time tyranid player (who JUST finished my army....gack!) I am quite pleased with this news!
(makes up for the malecrapteor).

The new drop pod feels correctly priced, especially since it has a lot of other uses (75 is too steep just for deep strike) but this thing can be useful for area denial, blocking etc. (at bs2 thats about it, since most enemy units will only get targeted by one or two guns).

I do admit however, it would have been nice to have a 30 point version that just deep strikes...but hey, this is better than what we had yesterday...

The new giant spore mines are cool - basically we are paying for a one use orbital type strike - not bad at all.
(although folks who are thining "wow cheap troop wounds" I point out their armor save....).

Now, gw, put the rules on the website....

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Panic wrote:
yeah,
Not a Codex.
The first photo is the center pages of a magazine, you can see the staples.

Spoiler:

Panic...

Heh.

I think we'll be seeing some FAQs rolling out soon getting rid of Space Wolf Drop Pod Battle Buddy nonsense...

Why? They are using up a FA slot that could be used for more TWC to get it. The Tyranid DP doesn't use any slot at all.

Specifically read what it says about who can ride in the new Tyranid pod.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Panic wrote:
yeah,
Not a Codex.
The first photo is the center pages of a magazine, you can see the staples.

Spoiler:

Panic...

Heh.

I think we'll be seeing some FAQs rolling out soon getting rid of Space Wolf Drop Pod Battle Buddy nonsense...

Why? They are using up a FA slot that could be used for more TWC to get it. The Tyranid DP doesn't use any slot at all.

Specifically read what it says about who can ride in the new Tyranid pod.

I don't think that the faction specific quote will be errata'a in.

yeah,
I think the Kit will make 1 Mucolid and either 1 Tyrannocyte or 1 Sporocyst.
where are people getting the info that the Kit makes one Tyrannocyte -or- 1 Sporocyst & 1 Mucolid.

I can see the shared parts of the Tyrannocyte and Sporocyst But I can't see the shared parts of the Tyrannocyte and Mucolid.
I think people may be reading between the lines wrong because you get 1 Mucolid with a Sporocyst.

Panic...

 Panic wrote:
yeah,
I think the Kit will make 1 Mucolid and either 1 Tyrannocyte or 1 Sporocyst.
where are people getting the info that the Kit makes one Tyrannocyte -or- 1 Sporocyst & 1 Mucolid.

I can see the shared parts of the Tyrannocyte and Sporocyst But I can't see the shared parts of the Tyrannocyte and Mucolid.
I think people may be reading between the lines wrong because you get 1 Mucolid with a Sporocyst.

Panic...

The tentacles the Tyrannocyte is held aloft on look like the same as those of the Mucolid.

yeah,
In this photo the mucolid and it's tentacles look much smaller... although that could be the photo.

Panic...

Can we PLEASE get some info about the firing arcs on the tyrannocytes?

I'm guessing they intended it to be identical to a normal drop pod, but since it's an MC all weapons have 360 degree vision unless there's a rule saying otherwise.

 Panic wrote:
yeah,
In this photo the mucolid and it's tentacles look much smaller... although that could be the photo.

Panic...

Ah, true enough. Seems like you can always make a Mucolid then. Nice.

 SHUPPET wrote:
Can we PLEASE get some info about the firing arcs on the tyrannocytes?

From reading the Instinctive Fire rule, I think the intended behaviour is that each gun fires separately at its closed target. So you can fire all 5 if they all have something to fire at, but no 360 degrees field of view for each one.

 Redemption wrote:

 SHUPPET wrote:
Can we PLEASE get some info about the firing arcs on the tyrannocytes?

From reading the Instinctive Fire rule, I think the intended behaviour is that each gun fires separately at its closed target. So you can fire all 5 if they all have something to fire at, but no 360 degrees field of view for each one.

Unless 1 target is the closest to all weapons. MC's dont have a firing arc, it's not a vehicle.

Yes, and you normally don't measure from the weapon's barrel for a MC either, but the Instinctive Fire rule changes that as well.

RAW, it's just another rule of GW's usual quality, I suppose, but the intention of it only firing at what the (fixed) weapons can see seems pretty clear.

 Redemption wrote:
Yes, and you normally don't measure from the weapon's barrel for a MC either, but the Instinctive Fire rule changes that as well.

RAW, it's just another rule of GW's usual quality, I suppose, but the intention of it only firing at what the (fixed) weapons can see seems pretty clear.

Not sure if I agree with that RAI. It shows no intention of it working that way- no mention of arcs or anything for that matter. A living creature can move around to make all guns get a shot on the closest enemy.

 Redemption wrote:
Yes, and you normally don't measure from the weapon's barrel for a MC either, but the Instinctive Fire rule changes that as well.

RAW, it's just another rule of GW's usual quality, I suppose, but the intention of it only firing at what the (fixed) weapons can see seems pretty clear.

You could write an entire book on what people believe GW intends. The fact is, it's not a vehicle so it has no fixed fire arc, no weapon arc, no measuring from weapons or any of that. It's irrelevant how you measure from a vehicle because its not a vehicle.

Instinctive fire changes nothing on a per weapon basis (because they are all at the same range), it merely says the weapons must fire at closest target. Which means all 5 fire at the closest target. I will agree they probably wanted to simply steal the rules from the Deathwind drop pod, however they forgot it's not a vehicle.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

Not sure if I agree with that RAI. It shows no intention of it working that way- no mention of arcs or anything for that matter. A living creature can move around to make all guns get a shot on the closest enemy.

Someone said it can move and then someone said that it can't. If it is in fact immobile, would it still be able to move around to shoot what it wants?

Is the Helldrake a vehicle or a Daemon? It no longer gets a 360 degree firing arc..

 agnosto wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

Not sure if I agree with that RAI. It shows no intention of it working that way- no mention of arcs or anything for that matter. A living creature can move around to make all guns get a shot on the closest enemy.

Someone said it can move and then someone said that it can't. If it is in fact immobile, would it still be able to move around to shoot what it wants?

Is the Helldrake a vehicle or a Daemon? It no longer gets a 360 degree firing arc..

Huh? Comparing 2 different things.. Demons are not unit types. It's both because vehicle is a unit type.

It can move, read its rules. Even if it couldn't, it would still have a 360 degree firing arc.

 Kirasu wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

Not sure if I agree with that RAI. It shows no intention of it working that way- no mention of arcs or anything for that matter. A living creature can move around to make all guns get a shot on the closest enemy.

Someone said it can move and then someone said that it can't. If it is in fact immobile, would it still be able to move around to shoot what it wants?

Is the Helldrake a vehicle or a Daemon? It no longer gets a 360 degree firing arc..

Huh? Comparing 2 different things.. Demons are not unit types. It's both because vehicle is a unit type.

Just curious. I could see it both ways and we all know how GW writes rules.

They're Monstrous Creatures. Monstrous Creatures don't have firing arcs. All ranges are measured from the base.

 agnosto wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

Not sure if I agree with that RAI. It shows no intention of it working that way- no mention of arcs or anything for that matter. A living creature can move around to make all guns get a shot on the closest enemy.

Someone said it can move and then someone said that it can't. If it is in fact immobile, would it still be able to move around to shoot what it wants?

Is the Helldrake a vehicle or a Daemon? It no longer gets a 360 degree firing arc..

Huh? Comparing 2 different things.. Demons are not unit types. It's both because vehicle is a unit type.

Just curious. I could see it both ways and we all know how GW writes rules.

What are *both* ways? The .. rules for MCs vs the rules for vehicles? It's not a vehicle.. there are no 2 ways.

Yeah, I think the "each weapon can fire at a different target" is for cases where you have multiple enemy units that are equally close. RAW at this point, the model is a Monstrous Creature who have 360 degree firing arcs for all weapons. Instinctive Fire lets you fire all 5 weapons (thus overriding the normal MC limit of 2 weapons), but specifies the way it targets (closest enemy unit).

Seems kind of straight forward in a curvy sorta way.

Then it's just an oddly written rule? The OP has wording that each gun fires at its closest target; if you can fire all your guns (already circumventing one MC rule) at each closest target, then why wouldn't they all just shoot one target closest to the MC?

 agnosto wrote:
Then it's just an oddly written rule? The OP has wording that each gun fires at its closest target; if you can fire all your guns (already circumventing one MC rule) at each closest target, then why wouldn't they all just shoot one target closest to the MC.

Under normal circumstances I think that's exactly what happens. 5 guns at 1 target. As my post above though, it's possible you might have several units equally close to you. In that (somewhat specific) circumstance, you would be able to split the 5 weapons among your two (or more) equally close targets.

Except that you'll never have 5 equidistant targets, since we're playing a game that uses rulers rather than counting spaces and hexes.

It is entirely possible that is exactly what happens. Not very probable, but certainly possible. Especially if you maneuver this thing (since it can move) to be exactly there.

Again, it's unlikely, I agree. But it is possible.

 streamdragon wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
Then it's just an oddly written rule? The OP has wording that each gun fires at its closest target; if you can fire all your guns (already circumventing one MC rule) at each closest target, then why wouldn't they all just shoot one target closest to the MC.

Under normal circumstances I think that's exactly what happens. 5 guns at 1 target. As my post above though, it's possible you might have several units equally close to you. In that (somewhat specific) circumstance, you would be able to split the 5 weapons among your two (or more) equally close targets.

Then it's still odd (or possibly transcribed inaccurately). Why would it matter what target is closest to which weapon if they all exist simultaneously at any point of reference on the MC's base? Why not just write the rule like this:
"Each weapon is able to fire in the shooting phase. Choose the closest enemy target to the *whatever it's called* and make all attacks against that target. In the event that two or more enemy targets are equally near the *whatever it's called*, you may choose which weapon fires at which enemy target."

Now, it's the morning and I haven't had enough caffeine yet to be completely coherent but if I read that, I'd know exactly what I should do when firing the weapons from the critter. I'm not trying to argue, I'm just saying that the wording as presented is wonky.

 agnosto wrote:

Then it's still odd (or possibly transcribed inaccurately). Why would it matter what target is closest to which weapon if they all exist simultaneously at any point of reference on the MC's base? Why not just write the rule like this:
"Each weapon is able to fire in the shooting phase. Choose the closest enemy target to the *whatever it's called* and make all attacks against that target. In the event that two or more enemy targets are equally near the *whatever it's called*, you may choose which weapon fires at which enemy target."

Now, it's the morning and I haven't had enough caffeine yet to be completely coherent but if I read that, I'd know exactly what I should do when firing the weapons from the critter. I'm not trying to argue, I'm just saying that the wording as presented is wonky.

I'm not really sure anyone would ever accuse GW of writing clear and concise rules.

As others have also said, it looks like they tried to copy/paste from an unrelated vehicle unit (where distance would be measured from the gun and not the base) and simply didn't edit correctly. (Correct editing being another thing GW is rarely accused of...)

 streamdragon wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

Then it's still odd (or possibly transcribed inaccurately). Why would it matter what target is closest to which weapon if they all exist simultaneously at any point of reference on the MC's base? Why not just write the rule like this:
"Each weapon is able to fire in the shooting phase. Choose the closest enemy target to the *whatever it's called* and make all attacks against that target. In the event that two or more enemy targets are equally near the *whatever it's called*, you may choose which weapon fires at which enemy target."

Now, it's the morning and I haven't had enough caffeine yet to be completely coherent but if I read that, I'd know exactly what I should do when firing the weapons from the critter. I'm not trying to argue, I'm just saying that the wording as presented is wonky.

I'm not really sure anyone would ever accuse GW of writing clear and concise rules.

As others have also said, it looks like they tried to copy/paste from an unrelated vehicle unit (where distance would be measured from the gun and not the base) and simply didn't edit correctly. (Correct editing being another thing GW is rarely accused of...)

That's sad; and possibly one of the greatest reasons I don't play 40k as much as I used to. I don't have a great deal of hobby time and I don't want to spend what little I have trying to hash out with my opponent what the insane monkey, pounding the keyboard in GW's office was trying to get across when they wrote what passes for rules.

Ah well. They're some nice models and Tyranids needed the love so here's hoping the final product is written clearer in the box than in White Dwarf.

Mymearan wrote:
Tyrannocyte 75 points
Monstrous Creature
WS2 BS2 S5 T5 W6 I3 A3 Ld8 4+

5x Deathspitters

- Deep Strike
- Fearless
- Instinctive Fire (automatically fires all 5 guns, each at its nearest model).
- Drifting Death: Cannot run, charge or Sweeping Advance. Can consolidate.
- Transport Spore: Does not use up a FOC slot. Transport capacity 20, a Monstrous Creature counts as 20. Declare which unit is transported during deployment. Always enters via Deep Strike. Avoids models and impassable terrain exactly like a Drop Pod.

Fixed.

Also, since the Instinctive Fire rule specifies when the Pods can fire, does that mean they cannot fire overwatch?

That was my take, yes. They can fire, last, in their shooting phase, but not at any other time or for any other purpose.

 agnosto wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

Not sure if I agree with that RAI. It shows no intention of it working that way- no mention of arcs or anything for that matter. A living creature can move around to make all guns get a shot on the closest enemy.

Someone said it can move and then someone said that it can't. If it is in fact immobile, would it still be able to move around to shoot what it wants?

Is the Helldrake a vehicle or a Daemon? It no longer gets a 360 degree firing arc..

It moves normally during the movement phase, it just can't run or charge.

I understand the excitement of a Tyranid Droppod returning to the game... with funky rules.
Can we please move the rules arguments to YMTC? Thanks.

Pictures of prices and the other products coming saturday








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So $63 then. *shrug* It could have worse, especially given the size of the model.

And does anyone have any confirmation that it's a new base size? It sure looks like it to me.

Edit -- I'm not sure if anyone's mentioned it, but the Tyrannocysts in particular give off a Lovecraft Old One vibe, including the use of 5s.

Not sure what the issue is- can fire all five weapons, measure distance from the barrels. Only fires at the closest unit to the barrel. It would seem to overwriteany contradictory rules.

Ok, that Tyrannocyte looks cool.
I was a bit disappointed with the Toxicrene's design (looked a bit plastic to me), but that cyte looks freaky.


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Is that a Tentaculat from X-COM? I'm liking these new additions.

6 mines? Sweet.

yeah.
People are getting confused by line of sight.
We have never had a model that shoots in all five directions at once, so it seems impossible that all five guns can all fire at the same target!

The model just looks like it blocks it's own line of sight!

We all accept that a normal MC can turn around and shoot where ever it wants.
However with these creatures no matter which direction they face, they will always have some guns pointing away from the target!

Maybe we can imagine the tyrannocyte rotates on the spot and fires each gun in turn, but the sporocyst is immobile?

Panic...

Well. The price gouging on this model is even worse than I expected.

Verviedi wrote:
Well. The price gouging on this model is even worse than I expected.

A multikit that's bigger than a Land Raider (or about the size of one) and cheaper - and it's price gouging?

I'm confused. I'm one of the most vocal anti-GW-pricing people I know, but I think this is about right for a large multikit.

Anybody else think those Dark Angels and Chaos reinforcement kits are excellent deals for people new to 40k and who just started with a DV set? I imagine its a dream come true for people who got into 40k by splitting a DV box, since both get a good deal now.

 beardman3000 wrote:
I understand it was said there would be no Tyranid codex but..... I do believe with all these units, we might just have one... One can hope anyways

Two Nid codexes in 1 year? Dont be fething kidding me

 Wilson wrote:
6 mines? Sweet.

Question is, is it 6 spore mines (since the spermocyte or whatever can make them) or is it 6 mucolids hopin like hell its 6 mucolids, because if true this kit is actually one hell of a value.


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 Panic wrote:
yeah.
People are getting confused by line of sight.
We have never had a model that shoots in all five directions at once, so it seems impossible that all five guns can all fire at the same target!

The model just looks like it blocks it's own line of sight!

We all accept that a normal MC can turn around and shoot where ever it wants.
However with these creatures no matter which direction they face, they will always have some guns pointing away from the target!

Maybe we can imagine the tyrannocyte rotates on the spot and fires each gun in turn, but the sporocyst is immobile?

Panic...

Its irrelevant though in terms of rules, MCs measure los from the base, not from the weapon as with vehicles. Fluff wise... who cares? its an abstraction anyway

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Ok, that Tyrannocyte looks cool.
I was a bit disappointed with the Toxicrene's design (looked a bit plastic to me), but that cyte looks freaky.


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Is that a Tentaculat from X-COM? I'm liking these new additions.

Looks like a grell from Dungeons & Dragons:



First the Maleceptor looks like an intellect devourer and now this looks like a grell. Maybe Hasbro has bought out GW and we just don't know it

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Lord Scythican wrote:
Seems like there was some truth mixed in some of those rumors right Pretre? I imagine there are people who get some information right but there is a chance that decisions could post pone some of the info to a later date.

Yeah, I need to decide how to deal with these. Usually, I reverse things, but those were a hella long time ago.

I'd switch them to partially true- correct on the description, false on the timeframe.

Most of them didn't have a timeframe, we just false'd them because the time period was so long ago. It only ended up affecting 2 of Natfka's and 1 of Vela's (where they specifically called out a dual kit spore).

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Wilson wrote:
6 mines? Sweet.

Question is, is it 6 spore mines (since the spermocyte or whatever can make them) or is it 6 mucolids hopin like hell its 6 mucolids, because if true this kit is actually one hell of a value.


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 Panic wrote:
yeah.
People are getting confused by line of sight.
We have never had a model that shoots in all five directions at once, so it seems impossible that all five guns can all fire at the same target!

The model just looks like it blocks it's own line of sight!

We all accept that a normal MC can turn around and shoot where ever it wants.
However with these creatures no matter which direction they face, they will always have some guns pointing away from the target!

Maybe we can imagine the tyrannocyte rotates on the spot and fires each gun in turn, but the sporocyst is immobile?

Panic...

Its irrelevant though in terms of rules, MCs measure los from the base, not from the weapon as with vehicles. Fluff wise... who cares? its an abstraction anyway

I'm sure it's not 6 Mucolids.

I think it is though, no other form of spore mine has been shown in any of those images, and contrary to what i originally thought, the mucolid tentacles are too small to be used on the other builds of the kit.

From frozen space comes the Doom of all things

Salt in the wound on the Doom of Malantai's removal or a hint it might appear in a Zoanthrope box ala Nork Deddog?

yeah

chaos0xomega wrote:
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 Panic wrote:
yeah.
People are getting confused by line of sight.
We have never had a model that shoots in all five directions at once, so it seems impossible that all five guns can all fire at the same target!

The model just looks like it blocks it's own line of sight!

We all accept that a normal MC can turn around and shoot where ever it wants.
However with these creatures no matter which direction they face, they will always have some guns pointing away from the target!

Maybe we can imagine the tyrannocyte rotates on the spot and fires each gun in turn, but the sporocyst is immobile?

Panic...

Its irrelevant though in terms of rules, MCs measure los from the base, not from the weapon as with vehicles. Fluff wise... who cares? its an abstraction anyway

This model has rules of it's own that superceeds the MC rules?

Instinctive Fire wrote: Each weapon on this model automatically fires at the nearest enemy unit within range and line of sight.
The shots are resolved at the end of the shooting phase before moral checks are taken.

It says each weapon resolves individually at a target within range and Line of Sight.
I would take this to imply that the MC blocks it's own line of sight and thus it's impossible for all 5 guns to shoot the same target.

That's my read on it...

 Wilson wrote:
6 mines?

chaos0xomega wrote:
...hopin like hell its 6 mucolids,

 Sasori wrote:
I'm sure it's not 6 Mucolids.

chaos0xomega wrote:
I think it is though, no other form of spore mine has been shown in any of those images, and contrary to what i originally thought, the mucolid tentacles are too small to be used on the other builds of the kit.

this image is crawling with regular spore mines.


I think you get
1 big Tyrannocide/Sporocyst
1 medium Mucolid
6 small sporemines

The weird thing is why the box doesn't say 8 miniatures.
sporemines and muclids can both be taken as units of their own...
the Mekgun counted the grots, so there is precident.


Panic...

ah ur right, missed the spore mines in that pic, well thats a bummer, got my hopes up.

As for the "mc rules supercede" thing, again it doesnt matter. there are no rules given for how a MC should determine line of sight for its weapons, causing us to default to the core rules for that - in which case its 360 degree line of sight measured from the base. Until they FAQ it that is the RAW interpretation.

 Panic wrote:


I think you get
1 big Tyrannocide/Sporocyst
1 medium Mucolid
6 small sporemines

Actually, it looks like you get 1 Tyrannocyte OR 1 Mucolid and 1 Sporocyst. The Tyrannocyte uses the lower tentacle bits from the Mucolid.

So it's seems the noodly appendages at the bottom of the spore pod are the same for ye Olde Big Spore Mine, so you literally have to choose pod or weapon platform plus fat thing. That means you have to pay a lot of money to run those big ones as it will take $63 to get access to a 15 pt model. Therefore this release is continuing the big model and price inflation. The fact the pod looks top heavy and likely requires that big base to make it steady is telling of bad design. I see it as being one topple away from breaking.

And of course the Nid codex was lacking these so they buy into $15 DLC and add loads of flying bugs but now show up with these things... Sheer incompetence or planned cash grabs, you be the judge.

Models look neat but are probably hell to transport, more so if you bring 6 of the spore pods.... Good luck with that.

The only problem is that I don't see any venomthrope or zoanthrope release info in these leaks. So that either means:

1) They are GONE

2) They were simply out of production stock and will restock with the normal finecast models soonish

3) They are getting re-released by no big news about it

4) We are getting a 3rd nid wave.

chaos0xomega wrote:
I think it is though, no other form of spore mine has been shown in any of those images, and contrary to what i originally thought, the mucolid tentacles are too small to be used on the other builds of the kit.

Tyrannocyte and Mucolid Spore use same tentacles, says so in the WD.

So Tyranid players got like almost half a dozen new units and their 8 month old codex is already outdated. I wonder why it was sooo hard for GW to release these kits in January.

Sir Arun - because GW is trying to release more kits across more army lines at the same time. With a faster turn-around and trying to do more armies one after the other that likely means that they can't do everything all at once like they used to. So they have to spread things out - the only difference now is that because of Chapterhouse Studios court case GW won't put the models into the codex (because that just gives competition time to fill the gaps whilst GW works on other things); so they get left out and we wait.

This isn't a problem other companies have to worry about - even Privateer Press (arguably GW's biggest competition ) can leave a year or more between releasing models and the rules for hte models in a book and not worry about significant 3rd parties making alternative models and stealing a significant market share.

Fortunately tentacles are pretty easy to make with GS/Milliput.
Getting a pod AND a spore out of the kit shouldn't be too difficult. I hope. I like the extra normal spores too.
The price will be a limiting factor but hey, GW.

Haters gonna hate. I like the new releases- it makes Tyranids much more of a threat now that they can drop pod stuff in. That and their drop pods can float towards the nearest target and try to eat them!

Price is always a limiting factor - but I like that GW does let us have more bigger things in the army as an option. I mean its not like we can demand that GW both lowers the points cost and real world price of bigger and bigger models.

 Overread wrote:
Sir Arun - because GW is trying to release more kits across more army lines at the same time. With a faster turn-around and trying to do more armies one after the other that likely means that they can't do everything all at once like they used to.

I think one thing that people commonly fail to take into account regarding GW is their manufacturing limitations. They constantly have to make hard choices about whether to produce this kit or that kit, like any other manufacturer.

Although I wouldn't be surprised if this wave of stuff was moved up the schedule somewhat because of many customers' reactions to the current codex.


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 angelofvengeance wrote:
Haters gonna hate. I like the new releases- it makes Tyranids much more of a threat now that they can drop pod stuff in. That and their drop pods can float towards the nearest target and try to eat them!

People I played against used to think my spores were a PITA. If I had been able to MOVE them, they would have been twice the PITA. Although note that Tyrannocytes can't charge.

GWs logistics issues is not the customers concern; in commercial goodies, perception is reality, more so when the company treats it's customers as estranged acquaintances.

If GW wants to move to the PP style of releases, they also need a War Room style app and make the rules A LOT cheaper. And better. Otherwise, it's going to just alienate more customers and just be more nickel and diming. You know, the thing that hadn't been working for 12+ months now.

War Room was almost a disaster at launch (esp as free options up till that point worked better and went down when WR went up) - if GW went for that I hope they'd do the launch better than PP.

I can agree that GW could and really should consider making rules a lot cheaper (I recall £12 codex) so that the game is easier to get into. It's ALWAYS going to be the bigger, more expensive game simply by higher model count - but the ycould make the getting started costs lower and make the game more appealing to new players (although they've a long legacy of being expensive right back to their most early days - so they might never shake that perception)

 Sir Arun wrote:
So Tyranid players got like almost half a dozen new units and their 8 month old codex is already outdated.

My codex isn't outdated. It's looking better than ever with a printout of the Tyrannocyte datasheet in it.

And I doubt I'm the only one liking this new release schedule. GW giving us new content a few times a year rather than once every 4 years is hardly something to complain about.

 xttz wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
So Tyranid players got like almost half a dozen new units and their 8 month old codex is already outdated.

My codex isn't outdated. It's looking better than ever with a printout of the Tyrannocyte datasheet in it.

And I doubt I'm the only one liking this new release schedule. GW giving us new content a few times a year rather than once every 4 years is hardly something to complain about.

I'm loving it too - big floating tyranid monstrosities hailing down sporemines or transports along with a slew of gunshots and blast templates!

Let's not let anyone derail the thread.

Regarding the Mycolid tentacles, I'm pretty sure that there will be ways to acquire extras of those bits.

 TheKbob wrote:
GWs logistics issues is not the customers concern; in commercial goodies, perception is reality, more so when the company treats it's customers as estranged acquaintances.

If GW wants to move to the PP style of releases, they also need a War Room style app and make the rules A LOT cheaper. And better. Otherwise, it's going to just alienate more customers and just be more nickel and diming. You know, the thing that hadn't been working for 12+ months now.

You're bringing down the thread, dude. Please take this elsewhere. Plenty of threads on this forum where people are unhappy with GW. Take your pick.

An example of OCD on my part, I edited the best available photos, rescaled the Datasheets for better printing, and put them up on my blog
http://yourlordandmaster.wordpress.com/2014/11/04/tryannocyte-mucolid-spore-cluster-and-sporocyst-stats-and-release-date/

I really do love the new floaty design aesthetic, but I also realized that it serves to make all previous crashed pod designed models obsolete. The triple threat natue of the kit is showing that GW is getting more savy with model design as well. One box instead of Three saves a lot of shelf space, while cutting down on number of products to be stocked by two, something retailers will appreciate.

More importantly it also means less moulds to cast - plastic moulds are very expensive so any chance they can get to combine kits is going to be taken - its why we are seeing way more of these two-in-one kits.

Neat thing for tyranids is that because of our nature a lot of these kits leave us loads of spare parts to make more cool nids or to decorate our models up with.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Redemption wrote:
Yes, and you normally don't measure from the weapon's barrel for a MC either, but the Instinctive Fire rule changes that as well.

RAW, it's just another rule of GW's usual quality, I suppose, but the intention of it only firing at what the (fixed) weapons can see seems pretty clear.

Not sure if I agree with that RAI. It shows no intention of it working that way- no mention of arcs or anything for that matter. A living creature can move around to make all guns get a shot on the closest enemy.

Measure from barrel, nearest target, what's the issue?!

There is definitely an economic incentive for GW to move in this direction with their models as much as they can.

Aside from Necron dual purpose kits previously GW seemed contnet to just slap another sprue in a box to attach to already exixsting kit (Rhino, Lemun Russ, Falcon).

It's a step in the right direction

rtb01 wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Redemption wrote:
Yes, and you normally don't measure from the weapon's barrel for a MC either, but the Instinctive Fire rule changes that as well.

RAW, it's just another rule of GW's usual quality, I suppose, but the intention of it only firing at what the (fixed) weapons can see seems pretty clear.

Not sure if I agree with that RAI. It shows no intention of it working that way- no mention of arcs or anything for that matter. A living creature can move around to make all guns get a shot on the closest enemy.

Measure from barrel, nearest target, what's the issue?!

The problem is that's how you do it for a vehicle, not a monstrous creature.

rtb01 wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Redemption wrote:
Yes, and you normally don't measure from the weapon's barrel for a MC either, but the Instinctive Fire rule changes that as well.

RAW, it's just another rule of GW's usual quality, I suppose, but the intention of it only firing at what the (fixed) weapons can see seems pretty clear.

Not sure if I agree with that RAI. It shows no intention of it working that way- no mention of arcs or anything for that matter. A living creature can move around to make all guns get a shot on the closest enemy.

Measure from barrel, nearest target, what's the issue?!

Shooting through itself basically. Tyrannocyte can move, but the Sporocyst(who also has five cannons) is Immobile.
But MCs don't have firing arcs like vehicles, they shoot 360*.


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 Ghaz wrote:

rtb01 wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Redemption wrote:
Yes, and you normally don't measure from the weapon's barrel for a MC either, but the Instinctive Fire rule changes that as well.

RAW, it's just another rule of GW's usual quality, I suppose, but the intention of it only firing at what the (fixed) weapons can see seems pretty clear.

Not sure if I agree with that RAI. It shows no intention of it working that way- no mention of arcs or anything for that matter. A living creature can move around to make all guns get a shot on the closest enemy.

Measure from barrel, nearest target, what's the issue?!

The problem is that's how you do it for a vehicle, not a monstrous creature.

Instinctive Fire outlines that for the Sporocyst/Tyrannocyte you measure from the barrel to determine closest to the gun.

I'll be waiting for PuppetsWar or Chapterhouse or other companies to produce third-party Mucolid sculpts with alternate (or metal-bendable) poses.

Im all for tyranids getting better, but drop pods are a HUGE problem in this edition. They need to be not able to even contest objectives, or give you linebreaker for what they do and how many points they are, its broken. here is my space marine drop pod army. Blow 12 pods off the board by turn 5 or lose the game, Hope you dident have something else you needed to shoot more.

 Orock wrote:
Im all for tyranids getting better, but drop pods are a HUGE problem in this edition. They need to be not able to even contest objectives, or give you linebreaker for what they do and how many points they are, its broken. here is my space marine drop pod army. Blow 12 pods off the board by turn 5 or lose the game, Hope you dident have something else you needed to shoot more.

A single Tyranid drop pod nearly 3x the cost of a Space Marine drop pod.

Space Marine Drop pods may be a problem this edition, but I do not foresee The Tyranid ones having the same impact as they are much more expensive and not objective secured.

rtb01 wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Redemption wrote:
Yes, and you normally don't measure from the weapon's barrel for a MC either, but the Instinctive Fire rule changes that as well.

RAW, it's just another rule of GW's usual quality, I suppose, but the intention of it only firing at what the (fixed) weapons can see seems pretty clear.

Not sure if I agree with that RAI. It shows no intention of it working that way- no mention of arcs or anything for that matter. A living creature can move around to make all guns get a shot on the closest enemy.

Measure from barrel, nearest target, what's the issue?!

As it has been said many many times already in the thread.. Thats not how MC's function. Sorta surprised at the lack of MC rule knowledge in an army that has tons of MCs! You don't measure from barrels and you don't calculate firing arcs.. You simply take your ruler and measure from the MC's base to the closest portion on the enemies base and then weapons fire regardless of how they are modeled. Exactly how it's been for a very long time because it's a MC not a vehicle.

 Overread wrote:
The only problem is that I don't see any venomthrope or zoanthrope release info in these leaks. So that either means:

1) They are GONE

2) They were simply out of production stock and will restock with the normal finecast models soonish

3) They are getting re-released by no big news about it

4) We are getting a 3rd nid wave.

probably number 3- there was a pic of the "coming next week" and it said "psychic horror" which suggests the Zoanthrope kit. [finger crossed].

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 Ghaz wrote:

rtb01 wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Redemption wrote:
Yes, and you normally don't measure from the weapon's barrel for a MC either, but the Instinctive Fire rule changes that as well.

RAW, it's just another rule of GW's usual quality, I suppose, but the intention of it only firing at what the (fixed) weapons can see seems pretty clear.

Not sure if I agree with that RAI. It shows no intention of it working that way- no mention of arcs or anything for that matter. A living creature can move around to make all guns get a shot on the closest enemy.

Measure from barrel, nearest target, what's the issue?!

The problem is that's how you do it for a vehicle, not a monstrous creature.

Instinctive Fire outlines that for the Sporocyst/Tyrannocyte you measure from the barrel to determine closest to the gun.

No it doesn't, it states that each weapon fires at the closest unit in range and line of sight. It doesn't actually tell you how to determine range or line of sight, for that you have to refer back to the core rules, and the core rules tell us that a monstrous creature measures range and LOS from its base, not from its weapon.

 Sasori wrote:
A single Tyranid drop pod nearly 3x the cost of a Space Marine drop pod.

35 vs 75... That's a little over 2 times, not 3 times.

To the people who keep talking about "this is how you measure it..."

PLEASE STOP.

Half of you are wrong. Do not comment UNLESS YOU ARE READING THE RULES IN the magazine.

AGAIN they do NOT follow normal rules

Thank you.

I believe that it's the commentary from the WD editor that's causing the confusion.

The rules as listed in the dataslate -- if I'm making them out correctly -- are clear and work perfectly with normal MC rules.

 pretre wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
A single Tyranid drop pod nearly 3x the cost of a Space Marine drop pod.

35 vs 75... That's a little over 2 times, not 3 times.

haha and it has 6 T5 wounds.
and it can transport more than just marines.
and it can move.
and it's CC attacks are AP2.
and it can smash.
and it can be equipped with 5 venom cannons.



soooo yah. hush now.

 Sasori wrote:

 Orock wrote:
Im all for tyranids getting better, but drop pods are a HUGE problem in this edition. They need to be not able to even contest objectives, or give you linebreaker for what they do and how many points they are, its broken. here is my space marine drop pod army. Blow 12 pods off the board by turn 5 or lose the game, Hope you dident have something else you needed to shoot more.

A single Tyranid drop pod nearly 3x the cost of a Space Marine drop pod.

Space Marine Drop pods may be a problem this edition, but I do not foresee The Tyranid ones having the same impact as they are much more expensive and not objective secured.

as said before, these for the points are FAR superior to a drop pod

if for nothing else, the 6 wounds at T5. not to mention smash, moving, and enough barbed stranglers to make every ork player in a 20 mile area cry.

Talking them down wont make people suddenly go "oh well guess no reason to take notice, they seem totally balanced and fine"

This just made my morning so much better.

 Wilson wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
A single Tyranid drop pod nearly 3x the cost of a Space Marine drop pod.

35 vs 75... That's a little over 2 times, not 3 times.

haha and it has 6 T5 wounds.
and it can transport more than just marines.
and it can move.
and it's CC attacks are AP2.
and it can smash.
and it can be equipped with 5 venom cannons.



soooo yah. hush now.

OK while I agree it is a nice unit and glad to have spods back in one form or another, listing its combat prowess is stupid since it can't assault. Paying for 5 venom canons makes it 100ppm.

That said I am more curious how the transporting works since it doesn't say they must disembark the turn it arrives. At least it hasn't been mentioned yet, meaning it could be used to hold 20 devil gaunts or dare I say genestealers inside until the next turn. This could only be decent again depending on wording. It's not technically a transport vehicle so I am wondering what happens when it dies with occupants and if assault vehicle would even be a requirement.

I am guessing disembarking is a requirement when it arrives to avoid these interactions but who knows with GW.

davethepak wrote:
To the people who keep talking about "this is how you measure it..."

PLEASE STOP.

Half of you are wrong. Do not comment UNLESS YOU ARE READING THE RULES IN the magazine.

AGAIN they do NOT follow normal rules

Thank you.

Having actually seen the WD in person, I can tell you that you would be the one who is incorrect. Again, the rules specify that each weapon fires at the closest unit in range and line of sight (though it doesn't specifically specify "of that weapon," which is a further important distinction you should take note of) and that each one *can* fire at a different target. In order to determine how you measure range/LOS for a monstrous creature (because, again, the WD rules don't tell us how range/los are determined) you have to refer to the core rulebook. The core rulebook tells us that monstrous creatures, which these things, have 360 degree line of sight, and both line of sight and range are measured from a monstrous creatures base, not from its weapon. Ergo, despite having 'special rules', it is still subject to the core rules which make it possible for it to fire 5 weapons into a single target.

Its a 100 pt road block that can deliver a threat. Has its uses, otherwise the rules for it are questionable it seems, even at release.

Sorry if a dose of reality is "harshing someone's buzz" and "bringing the thread down, man." We're two month away from a trend becoming a pattern, and we need to see real changes to the game for the better or else you won't be getting new releases.

So cool models, if not incredibly hard to transport. And great for bringing back something that should have been in the codex to begin with. My memory isn't terrible; Nids players paid more money for less options in the new book. The free rules here are a great start, but they need a lot more to fix issues that are driving folks to greener pastures. And what happens a year from now, the white dwarf is out of print... Does GW expect someone to buy the model blind on what it does or will they start offering rules for free or will they be purchasable somewhere?

The pods do make the newer bugs interesting, but without a formation that ensures threat overload arrival turn one or two, piece mealing in bugs was always a recipe for disaster in the past. The pod being mobile does ensure a Rhino can't just tank shock it to death!

So after closer inspection of the leaked photos it appears occupants MUST disembark within 6" of the pod and cannot move and any that cannot be placed more then 1" from enemies or impassible are removed as caualties.

Meh, the 6" restriction makes this thing suffer from the same problems previous pods did. You really need to wrap the thing when you come down.

Good for devil gants as the new model allows LOS under it.

Bad for anything that would want to hide behind this thing for a turn... So basically stealers and warriors lol.


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Also its pretty fething unbelievable that they STILL aren't allowing more then 1 carnifex inside one of these. Hillariously enough he takes the same seating as a Tyranofex.... Isle hog

Yes, I thought drop pods were a little cheaper. Woe is me.

haha and it has 6 T5 wounds.

With a 4+ save. Yes, that is so incredibly hard to kill in this volume of fire meta.

and it can transport more than just marines.

So can a drop pod.

and it can move.

Yes it can.

and it's CC attacks are AP2.
and it can smash.

It can't assault, so if you end up in CC with it, that is your fault.

and it can be equipped with 5 venom cannons.

With BS2, a restriction on how it fires, and having it cost 100 points.

soooo yah. hush now.

Or I can simply respond.

as said before, these for the points are FAR superior to a drop pod

Well, they cost more, I would hope they are superior.

i

f for nothing else, the 6 wounds at T5.

With a 4+ save. It is not difficult to kill at all.

not to mention smash, moving, and enough barbed stranglers to make every ork player in a 20 mile area cry.

It can't assault, and if you are putting barbed stranglers on it, it costs 100 points. That's a pretty big investment for something you cannot fully control and that is relatively fragile.

Talking them down wont make people suddenly go "oh well guess no reason to take notice, they seem totally balanced and fine"

I'm not talking them down. People getting all hysterical for no reason is a problem.

Question, can the bugs from a Tervigon assault the turn they are spawned (I forget). If so, you could drop in a pod, fart out the Tervigon, then poop out models. Per the rules, those gants didn't deep strike, so could assault?

Tervigon spawnings can't move/charge, they can only run or shoot.

Oh, well. I feel like podding Tervigon Brothers will be a great thing as you can get bugs in vehicle back arcs and bring the glancing templates. I'd bring a Tyrannofex with the two sprays, as well.

I'd not being the 4+ bugs, on second thought, just because Tau would murder them softly with interceptor fire.

I could see these being hilarious paried with the endless swarm formation and a couple of trygons. Re-spawning groups of 20 poisoned gaunts and 3 half&half FB/devilgants in your lines turn 2. All of which come in from trygon tunnels if they are killed. Pair with lictors and maybe a coms relay, nids have a really nasty DS army with these things.

Then land 2 malanthrops along with for synapse/spore cloud. GG.

I keep thinking of how much fun I could have with those sporepods but the reality is that every carnifex/other monstrous creature I stick in one of them is one less model on the table to eat up some heavy incoming from my opponent, I'm not sure how worth it that is, as it just concentrates more fire on things like my flyrants and shrikes.

I can see using them to block LoS for an advancing horde...

Yea comparing these thing to drop pods is a pointless exercise.

Drop pods are in fact MUCH better.

They are less then half the cost

They can have Obsec

They can come in on turn 1

AV12 3HP is arguably more durable to more things as well.

Oh and DP's cost about half in real currency

Having said all that these pods needed to be worse in a vacuum because of the book they are in. Tyranids shouldn't arrive in your DZ.

I wish these were cheaper but will need to see how they pan out. I used to barely pack enough stealers in the old Spods to work, costing double may make it less effective.

I am also wondering how well the infiltrator works as a synapse anchor mid field. Heck just infiltrate it onto an objective and rush your gargs and gaunts past it.

 Sasori wrote:

 Orock wrote:
Im all for tyranids getting better, but drop pods are a HUGE problem in this edition. They need to be not able to even contest objectives, or give you linebreaker for what they do and how many points they are, its broken. here is my space marine drop pod army. Blow 12 pods off the board by turn 5 or lose the game, Hope you dident have something else you needed to shoot more.

A single Tyranid drop pod nearly 3x the cost of a Space Marine drop pod.

Space Marine Drop pods may be a problem this edition, but I do not foresee The Tyranid ones having the same impact as they are much more expensive and not objective secured.

They may be only a little over the cost of 2,but they also bring to the table 2x the number of units or MCs which are largely favored this edition and also 5x the shooting. They also have 2x the wounds with 6 and can only be instakilled with a str 10, while regular drop pods can be killed with 1 shot with anything str 7 or higher no matter the ap. Assaulting this will also be much tougher because still a MC so ap 2, while a drop pod for space marines is auto hits for the attacker.

I just can't believe that they released ANOTHER large dual kit.

When was the last time GW updated infantry for 40k?

Would it have killed them to make a new type of infantry?

Flying genestealers? Cavalry stealers? The fact genestealers bond and adapt to any host makes the potential limitless.

 Red Corsair wrote:
I just can't believe that they released ANOTHER large dual kit.

When was the last time GW updated infantry for 40k?

Astra Militarum saw the Scions and Ogryn kits.

Would it have killed them to make a new type of infantry?

A "new variation" of some kind of an existing infantry(ala the Bullgryn) or a new actual classification of infantry, like Superheavy Infantry?

 Red Corsair wrote:
When was the last time GW updated infantry for 40k?

Would it have killed them to make a new type of infantry?

Not sure if serious...

There have been a ton of new infantry kits this year and a ton of new/updated infantry units...

Cavalry Genestealers...?


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 Kanluwen wrote:
Astra Militarum saw the Scions and Ogryn kits.

Orks had Flash Gits. DE had Wracks. Eldar had Wraiths.

So yeah, there's been a lot of updated/new infantry.

Don't forget that the Space Marine release saw a complete recut of the venerable SM Tactical squad, a new Sternguard box, a new Vanguard Veteran box, and Centurions.

Almost every release has seen at least one new infantry kit.

 Red Corsair wrote:
I just can't believe that they released ANOTHER large dual kit.

When was the last time GW updated infantry for 40k?

Would it have killed them to make a new type of infantry?

Flying genestealers? Cavalry stealers? The fact genestealers bond and adapt to any host makes the potential limitless.

As others have pointed out, there have been updates. But then I'm sure new kits sell better. New gamers and collectors/modelers will buy everything, but veteran gamers aren't guaranteed to buy new versions of miniatures they already own. I still use 2nd edition Biovores and Termagants, 3rd edition Zoanthropes, etc.

And there's a good indication of a new Zoan/venomthrope kit next week, so there's another possible infantry kit,

 Redemption wrote:
And there's a good indication of a new Zoan/venomthrope kit next week, so there's another possible infantry kit,

I don't think we've seen any such indication... Unless we're assuming 'Psychic Horror' is that indication...

Y'all think the Sporepod might make stealers viable again?

Any thoughts on what to deliver with these things? I'm thinking the ideal would combine synapse creatures with a high rate of short-ranged fire support. This would provide flexibility for patching any holes in the hive mind while providing directed quick punch.

The one thought I keep coming back to is 6 warriors with deathspitters or 3 zoanthropes. I know both suffer from how easily they're autokilled, but by deepstriking you can place them strategically to reduce their exposure to S8+ weapons while giving fire/synapse support to the advance hoard.

Pyrovores and TFex are good starters

I thought about the TFex, but it's not synapse so it lacks in the one area I was thinking. It might be the best MC to drop though. Pyrovores are interesting though they lack synapse as well.

 pretre wrote:

 Redemption wrote:
And there's a good indication of a new Zoan/venomthrope kit next week, so there's another possible infantry kit,

I don't think we've seen any such indication... Unless we're assuming 'Psychic Horror' is that indication...

That, and the removal of the finecast zoanthrope and venomthrope models from GW's webstore.

Mymearan wrote:There are way more expensive things that will also get one-shot by S10 weapons. Why point this out specifically?

Most the other T5 stuff can hide in other units (Tyranid primes, broodlords, red terror) or flies (harpy, crone).

Sasori wrote:I have to agree, the "They have ID to strength 10" is really not that big a deal. Most armies don't really have a lot of access to strength 10. I can't even remember the last time I saw a Railhead on the Tabletop.

The only regular strength 10 that I see run regularly competitively, is usually a Wraith Knight.

Plus, if they do have strength 10 I'd rather them point it at my drop pod that's already done it's primary job, than something else anyway.

If it was ID to strength 8, then I would concede an issue. Strength 10 ID is really not an issue though.

lobbywatson wrote:When i hear people complain about getting doubled out on T5 models all I can think of is this....

Mod Edit: Please don't post links like this on the forum. - RiTides

Seriously for 75 points each you can have 3.5 of them which is the cost of one stock wraithknight....

Do what they do in the movie frozen... Let it go...its a awesome model with good rules.

I don't think I ever said that it sucks because of S10 instant death, I'm pretty sure I just pointed out that this is why I don't like the instant death rule. For the most part your opponent won't have S10.... but when they do it's hurty to lose a 75pt model in 1 shot. When they don't have S10 to dedicate to it, it's 12.5pts per T5 4+ wound, which is pretty good.

You may be able to have 3.5 of them for the cost of 1 stock wraithknight... but it only takes the wraithknight 1 shooting phase or 1 assault phase to kill it. It's not like you're tying up the wraithknight for any significant time

aiaiaiai... is anyone of you reading the rules or just talking?


it says clearly: MEASURE FROM THE MUZZLE OF EACH GUN!

http://i.imgur.com/gqr5Lzr.jpg

last paragraph on the left. And if you are looking at "16" now go a few lines up. Thanks.


(pic from 3plusplus.net forum)

Byron40k wrote:
aiaiaiai... is anyone of you reading the rules or just talking?


it says clearly: MEASURE FROM THE MUZZLE OF EACH GUN!

http://i.imgur.com/gqr5Lzr.jpg

last paragraph on the left. And if you are looking at "16" now go a few lines up. Thanks.


(pic from 3plusplus.net forum)

That's not rules. That's White Dwarf editorial fluff.


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 Redemption wrote:
and the removal of the finecast zoanthrope and venomthrope models from GW's webstore.

That's hardly an indicator. Just all the Bret players.

Im thinking 3 of those pods, filled with 2 exocrines and 2 Malanthrope with flanking devilgaunts (20x devourers 10xfleshborers) and flanking tervigon (cluster spine and egrub) with 2 Flyrant with hive commander to allow the troops to flank could be a good start for an "in yo face" army.

oz of the north wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 Orock wrote:
Im all for tyranids getting better, but drop pods are a HUGE problem in this edition. They need to be not able to even contest objectives, or give you linebreaker for what they do and how many points they are, its broken. here is my space marine drop pod army. Blow 12 pods off the board by turn 5 or lose the game, Hope you dident have something else you needed to shoot more.

A single Tyranid drop pod nearly 3x the cost of a Space Marine drop pod.

Space Marine Drop pods may be a problem this edition, but I do not foresee The Tyranid ones having the same impact as they are much more expensive and not objective secured.

They may be only a little over the cost of 2,but they also bring to the table 2x the number of units Wong, they both bring 1 unit in.
or MCs which are largely favored this edition and also 5x the shooting. At Bs 2 or even more points invested.
They also have 2x the wounds with 6 and can only be instakilled with a str 10, while regular drop pods can be killed with 1 shot with anything str 7 or higher no matter the ap. Lol what?....no. hullpoints are much more valuable than wounds that have a 4+ armor save. Drop pods cant be one shotted by anything s7 or higher, read up on your rules.
Assaulting this will also be much tougher because still a MC so ap 2, while a drop pod for space marines is auto hits for the attacker. Of course why would your opponent assault it in the first place?

Decent arguments, but you stated them all funky.

Im glad for the nids.
But its not making them top tier OP.

 pretre wrote:


That's not rules. That's White Dwarf editorial fluff.
.

I know this is a dead horse but the rules say very much the same thing.

The rule for point of reference:
"Each weapon on this model automatically fires at the closest enemy unit within range and line of sight. The shots are resolved at the end of the shooting phase before Morale checks are taken. Each weapon can fire at a different target unit but they cannot be fired in any other way or at any other time."

Is someone able to point out to me where the rules for a MC firing from the base are located in the BRB, I see nothing in the shooting section and the MC section just has this:
Monstrous Creatures: Shooting
"Monstrous Creatures can fire up to two of their weapons each Shooting phase - they must, of course, fire both at the same target. They may never Go to Ground, voluntarily or otherwise."

Thanks. Again, not trying to be argumentative, I'm simply curious.

 agnosto wrote:

 pretre wrote:


That's not rules. That's White Dwarf editorial fluff.
.

I know this is a dead horse but the rules say very much the same thing.

The rule for point of reference:
"Each weapon on this model automatically fires at the closest enemy unit within range and line of sight. The shots are resolved at the end of the shooting phase before Morale checks are taken. Each weapon can fire at a different target unit but they cannot be fired in any other way or at any other time."

Is someone able to point out to me where the rules for a MC firing from the base are located in the BRB, I see nothing in the shooting section and the MC section just has this:
Monstrous Creatures: Shooting
"Monstrous Creatures can fire up to two of their weapons each Shooting phase - they must, of course, fire both at the same target. They may never Go to Ground, voluntarily or otherwise."

Thanks. Again, not trying to be argumentative, I'm simply curious.

The general rules for measuring between units require you to measure range from the base.
The general rules for Line of Sight say nothing about drawing LoS from the guns.
Since there are no exceptions to those rules in the MC rules, they still apply.

rigeld2 wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

 pretre wrote:


That's not rules. That's White Dwarf editorial fluff.
.

I know this is a dead horse but the rules say very much the same thing.

The rule for point of reference:
"Each weapon on this model automatically fires at the closest enemy unit within range and line of sight. The shots are resolved at the end of the shooting phase before Morale checks are taken. Each weapon can fire at a different target unit but they cannot be fired in any other way or at any other time."

Is someone able to point out to me where the rules for a MC firing from the base are located in the BRB, I see nothing in the shooting section and the MC section just has this:
Monstrous Creatures: Shooting
"Monstrous Creatures can fire up to two of their weapons each Shooting phase - they must, of course, fire both at the same target. They may never Go to Ground, voluntarily or otherwise."

Thanks. Again, not trying to be argumentative, I'm simply curious.

The general rules for measuring between units require you to measure range from the base.
The general rules for Line of Sight say nothing about drawing LoS from the guns.
Since there are no exceptions to those rules in the MC rules, they still apply.

Ahh, that's what I was missing. Thanks!

it's obvious how the rule want thses guns to be fired. I don't understand why it's a point of contention for some. Guess some like to be contrarian for the sake of it.

Though they clearly could have made a bette job of clarifying it

I agree from a RAI perspective. But this is another in the long list of ways the rules are not written with consistency in mind.

You shouldn't have to wade through intent and interpretations to play a game. It hinders the game at every level of participation.

you do need ap2 or ap1 to one shot a vehicule since the vehicule damage chart changed in 7th, but it is possible.

 fartherthanfar wrote:
you do need ap2 or ap1 to one shot a vehicule since the vehicule damage chart changed in 7th, but it is possible.

Doesn't open topped allow non AP1/2 weapons to still explode on pens?

indeed, but the discussion was about comparing droppods to the new spores and the droppods arent open topped

 Eldarain wrote:

 fartherthanfar wrote:
you do need ap2 or ap1 to one shot a vehicule since the vehicule damage chart changed in 7th, but it is possible.

Doesn't open topped allow non AP1/2 weapons to still explode on pens?

Yep. Is a drop pod open-topped? I'm not an SM player, so I actually don't know. If the answer is yes, then a S7 weapon could one shot a drop pod, but the chances are very slim (roll a 6 for armor pen, then roll another 6 = 1/36 chance of popping it) vs. the almost guaranteed ID from a S10 weapon (which will almost certainly bypass the 4+ armor save and ID it unless it is shrouded or something).

Again, I don't see a lot of S10, so I'm not too concerned about this issue. I also don't think many people are going to want to assault these things. Except Orks, they assault everything.


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 fartherthanfar wrote:
indeed, but the discussion was about comparing droppods to the new spores and the droppods arent open topped

Well, there you go. Never mind.

 fartherthanfar wrote:
indeed, but the discussion was about comparing droppods to the new spores and the droppods arent open topped

They are in my Marine Codex. What makes you say they aren't?

really, I was saying it as a top of mind thing
I might be wrong im not looking at a codex
so theyr open topped eh, that nice to know

 pretre wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
When was the last time GW updated infantry for 40k?

Would it have killed them to make a new type of infantry?

Not sure if serious...

There have been a ton of new infantry kits this year and a ton of new/updated infantry units...

Cavalry Genestealers...?


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 Kanluwen wrote:
Astra Militarum saw the Scions and Ogryn kits.

Orks had Flash Gits. DE had Wracks. Eldar had Wraiths.

So yeah, there's been a lot of updated/new infantry.

OK when I say new infantry I mean new infantry not updates to current finecrap.

I mean an alternate form of line infantry. It's not like its so hard to understand, they have made up:

Crone
Horruspex
exocrine
toxicrene
Toxicrene variant (forgot name)

Yet they haven't released a new small bug kit in forever. I like the new kits but it would be nice to see some new line troops, the list of MC's from that book is getting hilariously long.

makes me wonder how much more cost efficient these large kits must be.

 Red Corsair wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
When was the last time GW updated infantry for 40k?

Would it have killed them to make a new type of infantry?

Not sure if serious...

There have been a ton of new infantry kits this year and a ton of new/updated infantry units...

Cavalry Genestealers...?


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 Kanluwen wrote:
Astra Militarum saw the Scions and Ogryn kits.

Orks had Flash Gits. DE had Wracks. Eldar had Wraiths.

So yeah, there's been a lot of updated/new infantry.

OK when I say new infantry I mean new infantry not updates to current finecrap.

I mean an alternate form of line infantry. It's not like its so hard to understand, they have made up:

Crone
Horruspex
exocrine
toxicrene
Toxicrene variant (forgot name)

Yet they haven't released a new small bug kit in forever. I like the new kits but it would be nice to see some new line troops, the list of MC's from that book is getting hilariously long.

makes me wonder how much more cost efficient these large kits must be.

What about the updated Warrior and Hive Guard kits? One is an upgrade for two kits, but I at least welcomed the new warriors. We currently have five troop choices(six if you count the Tervigon). Not really much more we need- maybe just tweaking the current rules for them. Hormagaunts/Genestealers changed to beasts might be enough.
Current infantry for tyranids-
Warriors and Prime(and shrikes)
Lictors
Tyrant guard
Hive guard
Pyrovores
Venomthropes
Zoanthropes
Genestealers(and Broodlord)
Hormagaunts
Termagants
Rippers(and skyslashers)
Gargoyles
Ravenors
Biovores
What gaps need to be filled?(other than infantry that could hurt armor at range-for some reason we are denied that).

Wow! These new Nid Models are GORGEOUS! Well done GW! I've really been blown away by the kits they've released so far this year.

 pretre wrote:

Byron40k wrote:
aiaiaiai... is anyone of you reading the rules or just talking?


it says clearly: MEASURE FROM THE MUZZLE OF EACH GUN!

http://i.imgur.com/gqr5Lzr.jpg

last paragraph on the left. And if you are looking at "16" now go a few lines up. Thanks.


(pic from 3plusplus.net forum)

That's not rules. That's White Dwarf editorial fluff.

Pretty much this. White Dwarf gets a LOT of rules wrong... although occasionally they get things right, like the revelation that you don't need to obscure 25% of a monstrous creature in order to give it a cover save. And again, given that that statement is not made in the actual models rules, but in a separate editorial discussion on it, its irrelevant.

I agree from a RAI perspective. But this is another in the long list of ways the rules are not written with consistency in mind.

You shouldn't have to wade through intent and interpretations to play a game. It hinders the game at every level of participation.

I used to play the RAI way, but after a while it got tiring trying to figure that out and explain it to people, etc. at this point its just easier to play to the letter of the rules. If GW doesn't like it they can FAQ it.

Hey I just got my White Dwarf in the mail, Issue 40 (Toxicrene/Malceptor) and it came with a little card titled "The evolution of the end" that has the 4 stages of a Tyranid attack on one side written out like; I - Invasion, II - Predation, III - Consumption, IV - Assimilation with artwork to go with all 4 and on the other side it has "1 INVASION" with the artwork of the first but a bit larger, it also came with a like a Tyranid pin that has the Mucolid Spore on it.

Not sure if it's been covered yet. I can post a picture if anyone is interested.

But as it stands if the Malceptor and Toxicrene were a teaser of sorts and the Tyrannocyst and Sporocyst are "Stage 1 - Invasion" and the Venomthrope and Zoanthrope have vanished from the web stores leading the the belief they have a dual plastic kit coming (backed up by the fact the the preview for the White Dwarf after issue #41 has a teaser for "The Psychic Horror". Could this mean a potential 4-5 waves for Tyranids? 1 for each week of November perhaps?

Oh God how I wish...

Im going to guess Venomthrope/Zoanthrope are Predation, maybe we'll see Parasite for Consumption?

I still think the GW model looks hideous compared to Hydracast Drop Spores

 Sir Arun wrote:
I still think the GW model looks hideous compared to Hydracast Drop Spores

Yeah but that guy is an artist who rivals Forge World in terms of quality, his other models are even more beautiful. I'm the proud owner of at least 1 of everything he's done (2 of his Tervigons)

 Zande4 wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
I still think the GW model looks hideous compared to Hydracast Drop Spores

Yeah but that guy is an artist who rivals Forge World in terms of quality, his other models are even more beautiful. I'm the proud owner of at least 1 of everything he's done (2 of his Tervigons)

Er GW is Forgeworld... They have great sculptors too, just perhaps they rush models instead of making them beautiful. Main difference I'd say is GW is very hit or miss (but so is FW).

 Kirasu wrote:

 Zande4 wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
I still think the GW model looks hideous compared to Hydracast Drop Spores

Yeah but that guy is an artist who rivals Forge World in terms of quality, his other models are even more beautiful. I'm the proud owner of at least 1 of everything he's done (2 of his Tervigons)

Er GW is Forgeworld... They have great sculptors too, just perhaps they rush models instead of making them beautiful. Main difference I'd say is GW is very hit or miss (but so is FW).

I never said it wasn't? And if you can't tell the difference between the detail of a Forge World model and a Games Workshop (I'm referring to the plastic ones on their main site, I know they're the same company) then perhaps you've never owned one?

 pretre wrote:

 Redemption wrote:
and the removal of the finecast zoanthrope and venomthrope models from GW's webstore.

That's hardly an indicator. Just all the Bret players.

Not even when it's done to only two Tyranid models in their range, which just happen to share a similar look (hence could be made into a dual-kit), in a month where new Tyranid models are coming out and just when an announcement for a 'Psychic Horror' is made?

I'm not sure what Bretonnia's status is, as I don't follow or play Fantasy, but I'm not sure it's fair to compare the two armies. 40k has received far more releases than Fantasy over the last few years and Tyranids are probably one of the best supported armies in 40k, receiving a codex and new models every edition since their release.

Just how often has the removal of Tyranid models from GW's website not been a precursor to them receiving an update of some sorts (move to finecast or a new plastic model)? It's not like a Zoanthrope is some obscure special character with a vastly outdated model that they can just scrap from the range.

Holy floating testicle - That Tyrranic...thing...is erm well...

...And aquired taste I guess...But seriously, $68?



...Time to dig up the old Spore Pod mold, then!

'Bout time the nids got some love. Not thrilled about the actual models though. They probably look better IRL, which most models tend to do.

 Treadheadz wrote:

Holy floating testicle - That Tyrranic...thing...is erm well...

You may want to consider a visiting a doctor...

 ninjafiredragon wrote:

oz of the north wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 Orock wrote:
Im all for tyranids getting better, but drop pods are a HUGE problem in this edition. They need to be not able to even contest objectives, or give you linebreaker for what they do and how many points they are, its broken. here is my space marine drop pod army. Blow 12 pods off the board by turn 5 or lose the game, Hope you dident have something else you needed to shoot more.

A single Tyranid drop pod nearly 3x the cost of a Space Marine drop pod.

Space Marine Drop pods may be a problem this edition, but I do not foresee The Tyranid ones having the same impact as they are much more expensive and not objective secured.

They may be only a little over the cost of 2,but they also bring to the table 2x the number of units Wong, they both bring 1 unit in.
or MCs which are largely favored this edition and also 5x the shooting. At Bs 2 or even more points invested.
They also have 2x the wounds with 6 and can only be instakilled with a str 10, while regular drop pods can be killed with 1 shot with anything str 7 or higher no matter the ap. Lol what?....no. hullpoints are much more valuable than wounds that have a 4+ armor save. Drop pods cant be one shotted by anything s7 or higher, read up on your rules.
Assaulting this will also be much tougher because still a MC so ap 2, while a drop pod for space marines is auto hits for the attacker. Of course why would your opponent assault it in the first place?

Decent arguments, but you stated them all funky.

Im glad for the nids.
But its not making them top tier OP.

First part you got me I meant to say models, but accidentally put units when I meant models. Still being BS that is still quite a few shots at str 5, where drop pods on have a storm bolter, unless want to drop another 15 pts. on a deathwind that is marginal at best. Though I would say hull points are much worse than wounds, especially in an army that can easily get FnP and atleast the wounds have a save, no save for a drop pod in the open. And yes drop pods can be killed with 1 shot str 7 or higher, they are only armor 12 and open topped, so if roll 6 to pen and then 6 on table, kaboom. Regarding assaulting them at least marines could try and kill it with grenades opposed to trying to shoot and wound on 5s, where grenades wound on 3s and stops quite a bit of shooting.

I like the idear of a toxicrene or a exocrine crawling out of the pod behind the enermy
Very dangerous

 Sir Arun wrote:
I still think the GW model looks hideous compared to Hydracast Drop Spores

Spoiler:

You're entitled to your own opinion, and I agree from a technical perspective it looks nice, but it looks too static to me. Seems more like terrain than anything threatening.

I like the GW model better than most or all of the third-party mycetic spores. The GW model fits the Tyranid aesthetic well, while most third-party spores don't.

Anyone using a third-party spore better be ready to allow their opponents to draw LOS through it, because the official model is elevated and is clearly not intended to be a major factor with LOS blocking.

I agree with Gorgon, plus the models in hand will be a major factor vs the photos. I generally don't care for the colors GW uses for their Nids anyway, no sinister enough for me.
Really amazing release!

Speaking of Rules Disptues with these Pods...

There has been A LOT of people, not me, arguing that because the rulebook says a Gargantuan Creature is a Monstorous Creature it can fit into a Tyranocyte...


I've poopooed it MANY times, but I just find it hilarious people think its legal to do this

Gargantuan would never fit in that bloody thing lol.

Hadn't seen this posted yet

Neato.

 adamsouza wrote:
Hadn't seen this posted yet

Yeah, I saw that earlier in my email.
I haven't seen something like that in a long time. I approve.

I chuckled when I read the part about terminating eye witnesses, with Exterminatus being one of the options. That's the 40k I know

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

I chuckled when I read the part about terminating eye witnesses, with Exterminatus being one of the options. That's the 40k I know

I especially got a kick out of the fact that not terminating them doesn't seem to be one of the options.

Apparently those lash whips make it wider than a Baneblade... Transport solution: Magnetize the arms methinks.

Looking close magnetizing the head (and thus also back crest) and the arms gives you the option to build either - the only bit that doesn't look you can magnetize it (easily) are the "brain" or sac" bits on the main body as it appears one set is built into the body and the other stick over the top.

I guess you could fix that by:

1) Cutting one set out and then filling the middle with greenstuff and then magnetize both.

2) Place several strong magnets inside and the none on the rear of the stick-on ones (maybe build the edges up to it a little more too) and then stick on and hope the plastic is thin enough that you can get a good enough hold (easier and quicker but might not be so practical).

yeah,
I love magnets as much as the next person but sometimes another solution is easier in this case Blu-tac...

Panic...

 Panic wrote:
yeah,
I love magnets as much as the next person but sometimes another solution is easier in this case Blu-tac...

Panic...

Blu-tac would work.

I'd just buy 2.

I have magnetized most of my big nids and many other models in my collection, and after looking at the sprues for this thing, I don't think it will be too bad.

Arms - yeah, very strong magnets there will help (1/4" n52 rare earth).

Head - might be iffy, as if the two halves might only come off the back if separated - not 100% sure how will do that, but confident it can work out.

Poison Sacs/Brains - I actually don't care for the very HUMAN looking brains (two lobes? really?) so might just use the fleshy sacks. In looking at them however, it appears the brains mount over the flesh sacks, so a strong magnet behind the sack might hold to a small magnet in the brain under side.

Will see...although I doubt I would ever run the lameoceptor, I will still mag so can be both...

Now, figuring out what to do with the pods...that may be a bit more tricky.

 adamsouza wrote:
I'd just buy 2.

That's me!

I find playing with a model that has options magnitized to it too cumbersome, Parts come off when moving it all the time.

I just glue them as a single loadout for studiness.

Although if i grab a Toxicrene I will magnitize the arms for transport's sake.

 Bloodhorror wrote:
Speaking of Rules Disptues with these Pods...

There has been A LOT of people, not me, arguing that because the rulebook says a Gargantuan Creature is a Monstorous Creature it can fit into a Tyranocyte...

I've poopooed it MANY times, but I just find it hilarious people think its legal to do this

Even if it was legal, could you physically do it, and more importantly would you want to? Firstly the disembarking model has to be placed entirely within 6", which rules out Hierophants and Harridans. There's no reason to deepstrike a Barbed Hierodule, and there's a big risk for Scythed ones with its 5" base depending on how the pod lands in relation to nearby terrain / models. Then remember that with a 12" movement plus Agile, there are far more deserving units for a pod than a Scythed Hierodule.

davethepak wrote:
I have magnetized most of my big nids and many other models in my collection, and after looking at the sprues for this thing, I don't think it will be too bad.

Arms - yeah, very strong magnets there will help (1/4" n52 rare earth).

Head - might be iffy, as if the two halves might only come off the back if separated - not 100% sure how will do that, but confident it can work out.

Poison Sacs/Brains - I actually don't care for the very HUMAN looking brains (two lobes? really?) so might just use the fleshy sacks. In looking at them however, it appears the brains mount over the flesh sacks, so a strong magnet behind the sack might hold to a small magnet in the brain under side.

Will see...although I doubt I would ever run the lameoceptor, I will still mag so can be both...

Now, figuring out what to do with the pods...that may be a bit more tricky.

The poison sacs mount over the brains: Observe.

good to see the squished termie is included

I got two questions:


1) By 1MC does that mean a Toxicrene can hop in?


2) Is the reserve rolls like that of other drop pods as 1/2 comes in turn one?

1) Yes
2) No indication of that as of yet.

 Iechine wrote:
1) Yes
2) No indication of that as of yet.

Thanks.

Radu Lykan wrote:
good to see the squished termie is included

Don't play nids, but I'll get that from eBay asap for a marker.

It's pretty cool that units don't have to get out of the pod the turn they come in.

Mymearan wrote:
It's pretty cool that units don't have to get out of the pod the turn they come in.

Except they do, according to the Transport Spore rule.

 Redemption wrote:

Mymearan wrote:
It's pretty cool that units don't have to get out of the pod the turn they come in.

Except they do, according to the Transport Spore rule.

You're right, sorry.

 xttz wrote:

 Bloodhorror wrote:
Speaking of Rules Disptues with these Pods...

There has been A LOT of people, not me, arguing that because the rulebook says a Gargantuan Creature is a Monstorous Creature it can fit into a Tyranocyte...

I've poopooed it MANY times, but I just find it hilarious people think its legal to do this

Even if it was legal, could you physically do it, and more importantly would you want to? Firstly the disembarking model has to be placed entirely within 6", which rules out Hierophants and Harridans. There's no reason to deepstrike a Barbed Hierodule, and there's a big risk for Scythed ones with its 5" base depending on how the pod lands in relation to nearby terrain / models. Then remember that with a 12" movement plus Agile, there are far more deserving units for a pod than a Scythed Hierodule.

Somebody on the Hive suggested modeling your Hierophant with a donut shaped base (since the Hierophant doesn't come with a base)

XXXXX
XXOXX <---- O = Tyrannocite
XXXXX

Abracadabra! Hierophant fits entirely within 6"! LOL

New Zoanthropes confirmed?

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2014/11/zoanthropes-and-venomthropes-gone-for.html

There has been a lot of chatter coming my way about Zoanthropes and Venomthropes being no longer on the Games Workshop webstore. Today we have a little bit of direct information from the Games Workshop Customer Service.


This was reported earlier on "Warhammer Fest & Golden Demon 2014 on Chaptermasters.com"
http://chaptermasters.com/

via Jon on Chaptermasters.com
“Hello *******,
thank you for your email. Unfortunately, the Zoanthrope is no longer available in our webstore and there are no plans to produce more. I’m sorry to have disappointed you this time.
Kind regards,
Lisa

Games Workshop Customer Service”



Perhaps something completely new is coming?.......

Kalashnichris wrote:

Radu Lykan wrote:
good to see the squished termie is included

Don't play nids, but I'll get that from eBay asap for a marker.

They should include more dead models here and there on new kits.

Faeit posted a rumor about a new Zoanthrope / Venomthrope / Neurothrope kit:


via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
The box kit for tyranids coming out next weekend is a Venomthrope-Zoanthrope dual kit that will come with 3 models. The exciting part is that there is a new zoanthrope character upgrade called a Neurothrope, which very much sounds like the old Doom of Malanti. it comes with a spirit leech -warp charge 1, that targets an enemy unit within 18". Leadership check on 3d6 or suffer a wound by each point the test was failed with no armour or cover saves. Each wound also adds 1 to your dice pool for Warp Blasts.

Very exciting time to play Tyranids. So many new kits that really expand our book.

So if this is true, the only kits that need a plastic update will be the Broodlord, Lictors, Deatleaper, the Biovore, and the Pyrovore. And I bet you $10 that if and when they do get kits, the latter two will be dual kits.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
So if this is true, the only kits that need a plastic update will be the Broodlord, Lictors, Deatleaper, the Biovore, and the Pyrovore. And I bet you $10 that if and when they do get kits, the latter two will be dual kits.

Probably get a new Broodlord in the Sanctus Reach like set. Then all they deed is two kits for the Deathleaper/Lictor and Biovore/Pyrovore.

 Lord Scythican wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
So if this is true, the only kits that need a plastic update will be the Broodlord, Lictors, Deatleaper, the Biovore, and the Pyrovore. And I bet you $10 that if and when they do get kits, the latter two will be dual kits.

Probably get a new Broodlord in the Sanctus Reach like set. Then all they deed is two kits for the Deathleaper/Lictor and Biovore/Pyrovore.

I imagine the Broodlord will stay Finecast for awhile- he may be a plastic monopose for the next Tyranid codex release though.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Lord Scythican wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
So if this is true, the only kits that need a plastic update will be the Broodlord, Lictors, Deatleaper, the Biovore, and the Pyrovore. And I bet you $10 that if and when they do get kits, the latter two will be dual kits.

Probably get a new Broodlord in the Sanctus Reach like set. Then all they deed is two kits for the Deathleaper/Lictor and Biovore/Pyrovore.

I imagine the Broodlord will stay Finecast for awhile- he may be a plastic monopose for the next Tyranid codex release though.

I think there is some rumors floating around about the exclusive new plastic model in the Tyranid Vs. Blood Angels boxset being the Brood Lord.

Also what about ripper swarm broods and the Red Terror? They are still in failcast.

I think going further into the future I can see GW making Termagaunts/Hormagaunts into a dual kit.

 Lord Scythican wrote:


Also what about ripper swarm broods and the Red Terror? They are still in failcast.

Don't the rippers come on the gaunt and warrior frames?

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
New Zoanthropes confirmed?

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2014/11/zoanthropes-and-venomthropes-gone-for.html

There has been a lot of chatter coming my way about Zoanthropes and Venomthropes being no longer on the Games Workshop webstore. Today we have a little bit of direct information from the Games Workshop Customer Service.


This was reported earlier on "Warhammer Fest & Golden Demon 2014 on Chaptermasters.com"
http://chaptermasters.com/

via Jon on Chaptermasters.com
“Hello *******,
thank you for your email. Unfortunately, the Zoanthrope is no longer available in our webstore and there are no plans to produce more. I’m sorry to have disappointed you this time.
Kind regards,
Lisa

Games Workshop Customer Service”



Perhaps something completely new is coming?.......

I think people need to learn what the word 'confirmed' means

 Fango wrote:

 Lord Scythican wrote:


Also what about ripper swarm broods and the Red Terror? They are still in failcast.

Don't the rippers come on the gaunt and warrior frames?

They do, they're just still trying to sell off those old, old rippers(old to me anyway )


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And the current rumor is a plastic Tyranid Prime in the box, no Broodlord.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Fango wrote:

 Lord Scythican wrote:


Also what about ripper swarm broods and the Red Terror? They are still in failcast.

Don't the rippers come on the gaunt and warrior frames?

They do, they're just still trying to sell off those old, old rippers(old to me anyway )


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And the current rumor is a plastic Tyranid Prime in the box, no Broodlord.

Gotcha. Well I hope they do the broodlord instead. We already got a plastic prime. The Broodlord has a nice model in the spacehulk set but is still a little hard to get.

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
Shield of Baal is the first release for the campaign. There will be more. It comes in two hardback books and in a slipcase.

book 1 comes with all the details on the invasion- background
includes the invasion of the Cryptus System, called the shieldworlds of Baal.
the astra militarum, blood angels and even the sisters of battle are mentioned here.

book 2 is rules including, Echoes of War scenarios (6), a cities of death expansion with 6 new missions, death from the skies rules for aerial combat.

Forces of Leviathan: a new detachment for Tyranids with warlord traits, datasheets for new units, and new formations.

Well if it says Sisters of Battle it has to be fake, no?

 Flood wrote:
Well if it says Sisters of Battle it has to be fake, no?

Of course not, the Tyranids need some pre-battle snacks after all.

Well, they could literally be just mentioned. Like, 'hey, there were some sisters over here too, used as blood sacrifice to save against daemons'.

 Redemption wrote:
Well, they could literally be just mentioned. Like, 'hey, there were some sisters over here too, used as blood sacrifice to save against daemons'.

Hmm, that's a little too integral of a role. I'm thinking along the lines of:
'Brother Galileo stepped over the corpse of Sister Bismillah, reloading his Bloodcannon with the practiced ease of a grizzled veteran. Things were about to get grim up in this darkness.'

The separate rippers GW sells I suspect will be around for ages - they are very overpriced for what you get both in model terms and in what they are on the table top. I suspect that they are just clearing stock on them (very slowly) and that once gone you'll just get rippers from the sprues of other models - although they could do a spores and rippers pack in plastic.

Hmm, two books in a slipcase? Seems like they may be copying the method they used with the end times, with a fluff book and a campaign book. Those books are very good and very well done, and if they are that I might feel tempted to get them. Esp if there are some sisters as well, but i doubt that. GW wouldn't make everybody happy at once especially with the nids having a drop-pod now.

 plastictrees wrote:
. Things were about to get grim up in this darkness.

I'm playing Saturday night and I am definitely going to drop "Things are about to get grim up in this darkness"

Well the two book thing sounds good. Any idea how many pre-order Saturdays that is away?

 plastictrees wrote:
Hmm, that's a little too integral of a role. I'm thinking along the lines of:
'Brother Galileo stepped over the corpse of Sister Bismillah, reloading his Bloodcannon with the practiced ease of a grizzled veteran. Things were about to get grim up in this darkness.'

*claps*

Wonderful stuff.

Please let there be a decent Sisters formation in the book. We need formation love too!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Well the two book thing sounds good. Any idea how many pre-order Saturdays that is away?

Well, seeing as the next announcement included 'A New Campaign Begins!', I'm guessing the week after the pre-orders for the Tyrannocyte go up, so Saturday the 15th.

 AdeptSister wrote:
Please let there be a decent Sisters formation in the book. We need formation love too!

denied.

in other news, legal triple flyrants, Doom of Malantai returns and new formations inbound.

I really am wondering if we might get a new psychic discipline. I hope so!

 pretre wrote:
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
Shield of Baal is the first release for the campaign. There will be more. It comes in two hardback books and in a slipcase.

book 1 comes with all the details on the invasion- background
includes the invasion of the Cryptus System, called the shieldworlds of Baal.
the astra militarum, blood angels and even the sisters of battle are mentioned here.

book 2 is rules including, Echoes of War scenarios (6), a cities of death expansion with 6 new missions, death from the skies rules for aerial combat.

Forces of Leviathan: a new detachment for Tyranids with warlord traits, datasheets for new units, and new formations.

Huh? campaign? Is this an end times type thing? Where did this come from?

Storm claw, the Red Waaagh and...that other book was a 'campaign'. Nothing as sweeping as the WHFB stuff.

It is just like Stormclaw but with Blood Angels and Bugs.
Kinda want the books with them having COD and flyer combat rules

If this is anything like Stormclaw/Red Waaagh the rules will be released separately later on so I wouldn't worry if you miss out. However they could be virtual ones only...

I'm torn between buying third party pods or the GW ones.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
I think going further into the future I can see GW making Termagaunts/Hormagaunts into a dual kit.

Well, they kinda used to be. Back in the day you bought one box that came with both termagants and hormagaunts (I think maybe 12 of each?). Then with the 5th edition codex they split them into separate boxes, and of course those boxes now cost almost as much individually as the previous box cost that gave you both, but you know...

Natfka posted a supposed release list: http://natfka.blogspot.nl/2014/11/complete-release-list-for-next-week.html

Tyranid Venomthropes/Zoanthropes 3 models $66
Shield of Baal: Leviathan Slipcased Two-Volume Set $74.25
Shield of Baal: Leviathan Digital Edition

Invasion Swarms: Tyrand Painting Guide $33
Invasion Swarms: Tyrand Painting Guide Digital Edition
Ultimate Paint Set 160 paints $560
Citadel Project Box $65
Citadel Army Case in either 40k or Fantasy designs $105
Citadel Cutting Mat %15
Citadel Palette Pad 20 sheets $8
Citadel Water Pot and Bitz Box $17

Shield of Baal: Tempestus Hardback Novella 128pgs $20
Ahriman: Sorceror Paperback 416pgs $14
Catechism of Hate Hardback Novella 128pgs $24

They're selling a bitz box? LOL!

Anyway, 3 per box? That's interesting. And good.

Wouldn't be the first time; there were bitz boxes included in those old grey suitcases with all the tools they used to sell. Basically, they were plastic tubs with a sticker with 'Bitz' on it.

 Redemption wrote:
Natfka posted a supposed release list: http://natfka.blogspot.nl/2014/11/complete-release-list-for-next-week.html

Tyranid Venomthropes/Zoanthropes 3 models $66
Shield of Baal: Leviathan Slipcased Two-Volume Set $74.25
Shield of Baal: Leviathan Digital Edition

Invasion Swarms: Tyrand Painting Guide $33
Invasion Swarms: Tyrand Painting Guide Digital Edition
Ultimate Paint Set 160 paints $560
Citadel Project Box $65
Citadel Army Case in either 40k or Fantasy designs $105
Citadel Cutting Mat %15
Citadel Palette Pad 20 sheets $8
Citadel Water Pot and Bitz Box $17

Shield of Baal: Tempestus Hardback Novella 128pgs $20
Ahriman: Sorceror Paperback 416pgs $14
Catechism of Hate Hardback Novella 128pgs $24

Not sure about the painting guide. They already have one :/

The thrope kit sounds reasonable though.

Have these been posted yet..?

DOOOOOOOM!

Thanks cave!

Good god that Neurothrope looks badass!

Right after I get 2 zoans and venomthrope built and painted in damned fine cast......Doesn't matter. Still awesome.

That's Decembers Warhammer Visions, I'll be able to get a better look at it tomorrow.

Pallet pads? So gw is going to start selling a wet pallet in that painting set I guess.

I dub this release the "go feth yourself Chapterhouse" release lol.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
I dub this release the "go feth yourself Chapterhouse" release lol.

White_Rabbit, is that you?

 Tyran wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
I dub this release the "go feth yourself Chapterhouse" release lol.

White_Rabbit, is that you?

Nope just his brother. Kidding of course. I did read it from that site lol

Fair play, these look excellent.

I believe thats new thread worthy.

God, those look awesome!

No more metal Zoeys tipping over and chipping.. No more spindly venoms!

DOOM!

Wow.

Eldercaveman wrote:
Have these been posted yet..?

Man, that Neurothrope looks awesome. Not totally sure about the Venomthrope, but I think I like it better than the current (and not finecast, of course!).

For all the mean things I say about GW they are just killing it this month.

The venoms do seem to have a slightly goofy face, I'll try get some better shots when I see it myself tomorrow.

New kits. New thread.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/622279.page

The Neruothrope looks like it's smirking "Ima bout to eat your soul!"

Not being Finecast, is a huge selling point for me.

Neurothrope a single build from the Venom/Zoanthrope kit or it's own single clamp-pack? The pricing guide says just Venomthrope/Zoanthrope for the box.

I'm thinking it's going to be just one model from the box that can be built that way.

 Whumbachumba wrote:
Neurothrope a single build from the Venom/Zoanthrope kit or it's own single clamp-pack? The pricing guide says just Venomthrope/Zoanthrope for the box.

I'm thinking it's going to be just one model from the box that can be built that way.

A bit like how there is only one Prime in the Warrior box.


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@RiTides fair play locking the specific thread, but maybe lock this one and re-open the other one once the White Dwarf comes out tomorrow.

Is that what you guys would prefer? I don't mind either way, I copied your info into the OP here. If this doesn't work just let me know.

Wow, GW is on fire! That Neurothrope is absolutely amazing

I hope Tyranid players are happy because damn, the miniatures are amazing!

Not a fan of the venomthropes. Neurothrope has me intrigued though... Im hoping it does more than just doom of malantai gak, it really needs to provide a psychic boost to other psychic bugs somehow to justify that malefactor bs.

 TheDraconicLord wrote:
Wow, GW is on fire! That Neurothrope is absolutely amazing

I hope Tyranid players are happy because damn, the miniatures are amazing!

Oh we are happy. We are very happy.

 TheDraconicLord wrote:
Wow, GW is on fire! That Neurothrope is absolutely amazing

I hope Tyranid players are happy because damn, the miniatures are amazing!

New models are looking great! Guess I get to add a few more things to the potential Christmas gifts for my wife. She'll be happy to have a pseudo-Doom back (hopefully its rules are good!).

I wonder if the Neruthrope is a single-one up upgrade, or if you can take units of them.

Aw hell yeah!

Neurothrope looks boss!

 RiTides wrote:
Is that what you guys would prefer? I don't mind either way, I copied your info into the OP here. If this doesn't work just let me know.

This threads fine for me. Don't have to search news and rumors for a new one.

May have to get this kit to bring myself up to three Vopes(making two from the kit), a Nuerothrope(from the kit), and three Zopes I already had.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Is that what you guys would prefer? I don't mind either way, I copied your info into the OP here. If this doesn't work just let me know.

This threads fine for me. Don't have to search news and rumors for a new one.

May have to get this kit to bring myself up to three Vopes(making two from the kit), a Nuerothrope(from the kit), and three Zopes I already had.

We have had three nid thread in just as many weeks. Seems like they should have all been together.

As for the new models, man I am stoked! I am getting two Toxicrenes today and four nidpods next week! I can't wait to find the funds for this new kit too!

 RiTides wrote:
Is that what you guys would prefer? I don't mind either way, I copied your info into the OP here. If this doesn't work just let me know.

I think just turning this into a general Tyranid release thread is fine. Having a new thread for every release clutters up the news and rumors.

Just as long as the OP and title are updated, I prefer just this single thread.

Did anyone else notice this? Page 52 for a unit description of the mucolid spore? When the white dwarf is only 30 pages long. Also compare to your codex and 52 is right in the middle of the unit descriptions.

Yes, re-post that the right way up thanks.

Thanks for that Bellzo, I was craning my neck too (although oddly, when I clicked on it it was right side up, just wasn't showing up that way in the thread). Looks sorted now, though

Are you saying you think that typo implies that was cut/pasted from a new codex draft, for example?

 Bellzo wrote:
Did anyone else notice this? Page 52 for a unit description of the mucolid spore? When the white dwarf is only 30 pages long. Also compare to your codex and 52 is right in the middle of the unit descriptions.

I imagine a reprint or digital update.

It could be a copypasta mistake. GW are good at those.

 Bellzo wrote:
Did anyone else notice this? Page 52 for a unit description of the mucolid spore? When the white dwarf is only 30 pages long. Also compare to your codex and 52 is right in the middle of the unit descriptions.

Nice Catch !!

I completely missed that detail. Codex supplement anyone ?

It seems steam get that it references (Codex: Tyranids) for the Spore mine clusters, and not a page reference.

In all seriousness, I am fulling supporting this release.

I've gotten a Toxicrene and Maleceptor (Despite the terrible rules), and am going to get at least 3 spore kits.

when we get some more info on the Zoey box, I'll figure out how many boxes of that to get.

The data sheet for the Mucolid could be in the upcoming campaign book on page 52.

Im away for two weeks and all this stuff drops

Really excited over the pods, gives Nids a nice new tactical angle.

.....Oh...for the love of.

Damnit GW. Stop making me buy White Dwarf for the rules. I've been nearly 2 years clean and now I've had to go buy two on the trot because of these 'nid releases.

Good thing about the Neurothrope?

It just means I get to repurpose my Malanthrope conversion...

Oh man I am very excited about this, it all looks bloody amazing! time to bring back the horde

Also are the rules for these buggers in the box they come with, or if you dont get the white dwarf you are fethed??

 ChaosxVoid wrote:
Oh man I am very excited about this, it all looks bloody amazing! time to bring back the horde

Also are the rules for these buggers in the box they come with, or if you dont get the white dwarf you are fethed??

Apparently they'll also be in the Shield of Baal: Leviathan campaign book too.

Or, you know, posted repeatedly in this forum.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yes, re-post that the right way up thanks.

I posted it from my phone, and when it posted it switched. Then I went into my photos, flipped it up side down and reposted it... It was still upside down. Finally got it to work. Stupid phones.

Oh the joys of being work blocked :(

The gifts keep on coming! Those Venomthropes look excellent... and that Neurothrope! Wow!

Nvs wrote:
Oh the joys of being work blocked :(

Try my Blog, the Tags are different, and get around the filters at my work at least. Have all the Tryanid stuff posted up there.