No pleasing some people I guess...

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Yep. Luckily the rules are currently available online for the new tyranid units. Hopefully they'll stay up.

Sorry, this is probably allready answered somewhere, but where exactly do I find the new unit rules online?

 Kosake wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Yep. Luckily the rules are currently available online for the new tyranid units. Hopefully they'll stay up.

Sorry, this is probably allready answered somewhere, but where exactly do I find the new unit rules online?

Under the unit entries, such as : http://www.games-workshop.com/de-DE/Maleceptor & http://www.games-workshop.com/de-DE/Toxicrene
You can download the rules to the right of their description.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
No pleasing some people I guess...

?

I just prefer old sculpts, they look more "serious" though I need a closer look at venom before my final judgemetj. It's not that the new ones are bad or sth just worse in style for me. Broodlord is infinitely better ofc, toxicrene/ malaceptor I love and want both, spores are imo meh though maybe it's traditional GW paintjob effect that makes things look 10 times worse.

 Redemption wrote:

 Kosake wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Yep. Luckily the rules are currently available online for the new tyranid units. Hopefully they'll stay up.

Sorry, this is probably allready answered somewhere, but where exactly do I find the new unit rules online?

Under the unit entries, such as : http://www.games-workshop.com/de-DE/Maleceptor & http://www.games-workshop.com/de-DE/Toxicrene
You can download the rules to the right of their description.

Thank you, good sir, I was looking for it under that new Spore Pod or whatever it's called and it wasn't there yet. They'll probably add it once it's released.

That's what they did for the rules of the Maleceptor and Toxicrene, yes.

Can't wait for these releases. Been a little stagnant (done nothing) 40k wise for a few months and this has put my interest back into it. Thinking of using 2 pods in a 1500 list and getting a squad of each of the new zoanthrope and venomthrope models. The neurothrope looks incredible!

Pyrovores still 1-3? Don't have my codex on me.

I mean, they'd still be terrible, but with a drop option a single unit to disrupt things lurking in cover (pathfinders, rangers, etc) might not be completely awful. Just mostly awful.

 streamdragon wrote:
Pyrovores still 1-3? Don't have my codex on me.

I mean, they'd still be terrible, but with a drop option a single unit to disrupt things lurking in cover (pathfinders, rangers, etc) might not be completely awful. Just mostly awful.

3 Pyrovores and a Prime with a Miasma Cannon isn't a terrible thing to deposit on your opponent's doorstep, especially when you can drop them into terrain (since Tyrannocites, like all MCs, automatically pass Dangerous Terrain tests) and disembark them into cover that their own weapons ignore.

Drop 2 venomthropes in a pod next to them in terrain and they'll have a 3+ cover haha. I'm really thinking of doing this with 20 dev gaunts and a dakkafex, that could really cause some issues (even if it's just distraction as there's no way they could ignore either of them).

More so than the competitive aspect it'll be adding to the nids, I'm looking forward to the fun of dropping stuff in

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:
Pyrovores still 1-3? Don't have my codex on me.

I mean, they'd still be terrible, but with a drop option a single unit to disrupt things lurking in cover (pathfinders, rangers, etc) might not be completely awful. Just mostly awful.

3 Pyrovores and a Prime with a Miasma Cannon isn't a terrible thing to deposit on your opponent's doorstep, especially when you can drop them into terrain (since Tyrannocites, like all MCs, automatically pass Dangerous Terrain tests) and disembark them into cover that their own weapons ignore.

Pyrovores cost I could justify on a suicide squad. Doesn't the Prime + Cannon come it close to 200 points or something? (Again, no book on hand. )

 streamdragon wrote:
Pyrovores still 1-3? Don't have my codex on me.

I mean, they'd still be terrible, but with a drop option a single unit to disrupt things lurking in cover (pathfinders, rangers, etc) might not be completely awful. Just mostly awful.

This confusion that they are bad because of the stigma attached to their name is nonsense. For 2/3 the price of a Tyrannofex, they hit much harder, assault better, and have a cool special rule. They are not necessarily better that depends on what you want, but they are definitely on par and really really good now.

I've used them twice since the releases, they have replaced Biovores for me and I'm considering getting a second squad of three. Very nice unit. Don't sleep.

 SHUPPET wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:
Pyrovores still 1-3? Don't have my codex on me.

I mean, they'd still be terrible, but with a drop option a single unit to disrupt things lurking in cover (pathfinders, rangers, etc) might not be completely awful. Just mostly awful.

This confusion that they are bad because of the stigma attached to their name is nonsense. For 2/3 the price of a Tyrannofex, they hit much harder, assault better, and have a cool special rule. They are not necessarily better that depends on what you want, but they are definitely on par and really really good now.

I've used them twice since the releases, they have replaced Biovores for me and I'm considering getting a second squad of three. Very nice unit. Don't sleep.

Clarify for me, how do they assault better than an MC? Pyrovores only have A2, right? (seriously, if I'm going to talk about Nids I should really remember my codex...)

And they are up on the GW website!

£40 for a set of 3 zoanthropes (with neurothrope parts for one) OR a set of 3 venomthropes

I assume you can thus even build 1 venom - 1 zoan and one 1 neuro from a single kit.

Price I feel is maybe £5 more than it should be BUT with both in the same kit chances are the spare parts for each adds some to the price. The good side is that it will give you a wealth of parts for conversions (all those spare venomthrope tentacles would be really neat to decorate a Toxicrene!)

I'm actually pretty impressed that they got both into the same kit yet still retained both units very individual look

Campaign book ordered phew!

6 new Echoes of War missions to test your mettle
• Cities of Death rules for fighting games of Warhammer 40,000 amongst the war torn streets of destroyed cities
• 6 Cities of Death missions and 36 tactical objectives
• Rules for Death From The Skies, allowing you to include fighter aces in your Warhammer 40,000 battles
• New Tyranids detachment rules and Warlord Traits to represent the composition of the forces of Hive Fleet Leviathan
• New Datasheets for the Mucalid Spore Cluster, Zoanthrope Brood, Maleceptor, Toxicrene, Tyrannocyte, Sporocyst and Mucolid Spore


http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Shield-of-Baal-Leviathan-English?_DARGS=/checkout/fragments/orderConfirmation/defaultCartLine.jsp_AF&_dynSessConf=4242303948840596424

So what I hate about this release is that you cant buy 1 zoanthrope or venomthrope anymore. No. Longer. Possible.

Nope, you gotta have 3 now. And the sad part is all of them are monobuild monopose. So youre literally spending 3x as much to get 3 same looking models instead of one. Great for people who wanted to field a brood, but sucks for players who just wanted one.

I suppose people will soon start selling off surplus on ebay, also allowing others to just buy one, though if you add shipping to that youre still worse off than before.

 Sir Arun wrote:
So what I hate about this release is that you cant buy 1 zoanthrope or venomthrope anymore. No. Longer. Possible.

Nope, you gotta have 3 now. And the sad part is all of them are monobuild monopose. So youre literally spending 3x as much to get 3 same looking models instead of one. Great for people who wanted to field a brood, but sucks for players who just wanted one.

I suppose people will soon start selling off surplus on ebay, also allowing others to just buy one, though if you add shipping to that youre still worse off than before.

so buy it cheaper from eBay or [MOD EDIT - Please don't suggest that. Dakka Dakka in no way condones such things. Thanks! - Alpharius]. You can have mine if you like!

To be honest:

1) Zoanthropes and Venomes were always monopose

2) Who only fields 1 of each? 3 is quite a suitable practical number for both broods in the game. Unless you're only playing small point games chances are you will find a use to put all 3 on the table at once.


That said I do agree that its a bit of shame - GW is fast pricing itself out of the segment where I can happily put models on Christmas and Birthday lists (£20 doesn't go all that far with GW these days sadly). Still I think a single box done this way would have ended up easily being £15 each - so that would be £45 for 3 - so we'd easily save £5 (and that's only a guess at what they'd sell it for individually - it could have ended up costing yet more).

Also, 6 new 'Nid formations.

I'm also loving the new artwork in that Invasion Swarms book:

 Overread wrote:
To be honest:

1) Zoanthropes and Venomes were always monopose

2) Who only fields 1 of each? 3 is quite a suitable practical number for both broods in the game. Unless you're only playing small point games chances are you will find a use to put all 3 on the table at once.


That said I do agree that its a bit of shame - GW is fast pricing itself out of the segment where I can happily put models on Christmas and Birthday lists (£20 doesn't go all that far with GW these days sadly). Still I think a single box done this way would have ended up easily being £15 each - so that would be £45 for 3 - so we'd easily save £5 (and that's only a guess at what they'd sell it for individually - it could have ended up costing yet more).

1) youre right, but given the transition to multi part plastic kit, I was thinking at least some kind of head tilt or slight variation would have been included

2) maybe the kind of players who field 1000 points armies or less and like variety? E.g. a zoanthrope, venomthrope, exocrine, tervigon, flyrant etc.

 Wilson wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
So what I hate about this release is that you cant buy 1 zoanthrope or venomthrope anymore. No. Longer. Possible.

Nope, you gotta have 3 now. And the sad part is all of them are monobuild monopose. So youre literally spending 3x as much to get 3 same looking models instead of one. Great for people who wanted to field a brood, but sucks for players who just wanted one.

I suppose people will soon start selling off surplus on ebay, also allowing others to just buy one, though if you add shipping to that youre still worse off than before.

so buy it cheaper from [MOD EDIT - Please don't suggest that. Dakka Dakka in no way condones such things. Thanks! - Alpharius]. You can have mine if you like!

I really wish people wouldn't do this so much. My local flgs isn't doing so good because people buy there stuff cheap off the internet (or even cheaper from China). If my local flgs shuts down, I might as well sell all of my miniatures.

 Lord Scythican wrote:

 Wilson wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
So what I hate about this release is that you cant buy 1 zoanthrope or venomthrope anymore. No. Longer. Possible.

Nope, you gotta have 3 now. And the sad part is all of them are monobuild monopose. So youre literally spending 3x as much to get 3 same looking models instead of one. Great for people who wanted to field a brood, but sucks for players who just wanted one.

I suppose people will soon start selling off surplus on ebay, also allowing others to just buy one, though if you add shipping to that youre still worse off than before.

so buy it cheaper from eBay or [MOD EDIT - Please don't suggest that. Dakka Dakka in no way condones such things. Thanks! - Alpharius]. You can have mine if you like!

I really wish people wouldn't do this so much. My local flgs isn't doing so good because people buy there stuff cheap off the internet (or even cheaper from China). If my local flgs shuts down, I might as well sell all of my miniatures.

For sure that would suck and I hope that it doesn't happen.

I have my Tyrannocyte/Sporocyst kit, and surprise surprise: the sprues are copyrighted 2013. In other words, GW already had the thing finished when they deliberately left it out of the codex, thus pissing off nid players galore - I personally know of a couple who gave up on nids and sold their models because of that codex. Sure, one unit alone doesn't make or break a codex, but the Tyrannocyte does seem to make nids a _lot_ more playable. (As opposed to e.g. the Toxicrene/Maleceptor which is a great model but apparently no game changer play-wise.)

Venting over.

Without repeating what's obvious from GW's publicity photos of the completed models, the kit itself looks pretty good. It's very much an organic drop pod, down to the same 5-sided construction and similar size and having one of the three sprues repeated. In fact, I wonder if the designers literally reused the drop pod digital geometry, and therefore Tyrannocyte / drop pod panels could be swapped to create some 'infected imperial vessel' conversion coolness - but I don't have a drop pod kit around to compare with.

I strongly recommend green stuff to cover all the joints in the main body (although some are hidden by the carapace armour). A little green stuff detailing will also fix the model's main design annoyance - all five Tyrannocyte sides (including carapace and tentacles) are absolutely identical, i.e. the exact same bits repeated five times, rather than some having unique details. Some players won't care, but I like my organic models to look organic.

Overall, a nice kit which will make a great display model - I'm tempted to show mine either disgorging a passenger unit or swallowing an enemy who got too close.

But if I was a poor gamer, I'd be off to my local art&craft shop to buy some large foam eggs and texture filler and save myself a fortune by scratch building my own

 Wilson wrote:

 Lord Scythican wrote:

 Wilson wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
So what I hate about this release is that you cant buy 1 zoanthrope or venomthrope anymore. No. Longer. Possible.

Nope, you gotta have 3 now. And the sad part is all of them are monobuild monopose. So youre literally spending 3x as much to get 3 same looking models instead of one. Great for people who wanted to field a brood, but sucks for players who just wanted one.

I suppose people will soon start selling off surplus on ebay, also allowing others to just buy one, though if you add shipping to that youre still worse off than before.

so buy it cheaper from eBay or [MOD EDIT - Please don't suggest that. Dakka Dakka in no way condones such things. Thanks! - Alpharius]. You can have mine if you like!

I really wish people wouldn't do this so much. My local flgs isn't doing so good because people buy there stuff cheap off the internet (or even cheaper from China). If my local flgs shuts down, I might as well sell all of my miniatures.

For sure that would suck and I hope that it doesn't happen.

Sorry If I sounded like an ass. Just depressed about it. I got a lot of people that go to my shop and they buy online. I got probably 40,000 points worth of minis because I like to support the shop. I can't do it on my own though :(

As for being on topic...I am still buying 4 Nidpods from my flgs. I should be able to get them today!

Clang - the copyright could be immaterial to when the mould was actually made. Chances are they are copyrighting right back to when they sketched out the design for that model itself; which if they started in 2013 would be a decent chunk of time for them to go from design to mould - chances being that for the release they staggered it alongside other projects so that they could release a block all at once.

 Wilson wrote:
Campaign book ordered phew!

6 new Echoes of War missions to test your mettle
• Cities of Death rules for fighting games of Warhammer 40,000 amongst the war torn streets of destroyed cities
• 6 Cities of Death missions and 36 tactical objectives
• Rules for Death From The Skies, allowing you to include fighter aces in your Warhammer 40,000 battles
• New Tyranids detachment rules and Warlord Traits to represent the composition of the forces of Hive Fleet Leviathan
• New Datasheets for the Mucalid Spore Cluster, Zoanthrope Brood, Maleceptor, Toxicrene, Tyrannocyte, Sporocyst and Mucolid Spore

The 6 new formations will certainly be interesting.

Right now I'm leaning toward skipping the slipcase version and waiting for the rulebook only. But then that could be $50 based on Sanctus Reach pricing, and the combo set is $74.25. Although it's 64 pages versus 112. Hmm.

Anyone have any idea when we can expect to see a digital copy pop up on Ibooks?

 Overread wrote:
Clang - the copyright could be immaterial to when the mould was actually made. Chances are they are copyrighting right back to when they sketched out the design for that model itself; which if they started in 2013 would be a decent chunk of time for them to go from design to mould - chances being that for the release they staggered it alongside other projects so that they could release a block all at once.

Possibly. I'd have thought they'd legally have to date the sprue moulds to match when those physical objects were completed, as opposed to some earlier design sketch dates. But with GW, who knows...

 Clang wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Clang - the copyright could be immaterial to when the mould was actually made. Chances are they are copyrighting right back to when they sketched out the design for that model itself; which if they started in 2013 would be a decent chunk of time for them to go from design to mould - chances being that for the release they staggered it alongside other projects so that they could release a block all at once.

Possibly. I'd have thought they'd legally have to date the sprue moulds to match when those physical objects were completed, as opposed to some earlier design sketch dates. But with GW, who knows...

Aye though the copyright could be based on when the design itself was made which might have been long before moulds were cast up (either as a computer 3D design or as a green model sculpted up - depending on which approach the sculpter/gw uses). Technically in the UK copyright starts right from the creation point rather than when something is registered.

 Fishboy wrote:
Anyone have any idea when we can expect to see a digital copy pop up on Ibooks?

It's up for pre-order now, saying December release (sorry, that's on Black Library rather than iBooks).

Preordered my copy. Now for the waiting(and hopefully the spouse won't open it up).

I am hoping the hard copy remains available for at least a few months - I can't afford all these new releases.

I'm sure Ebay will have a few at least.

Wow.

Is that 6 new formations for Tyranids or 6 new formations in the book, including the imperial forces?

did anyone notice that they changed the magnifying glass when you look at pics on the website.

Before, it would magnify a big part of the pic, now it's only a ridiculous small part.

I wonder what kind of simpleton tought it was a good idea

You can expand it with your mouse wheel. Still far inferior to just a simple larger picture lol.

 streetsamurai wrote:
did anyone notice that they changed the magnifying glass when you look at pics on the website.

Before, it would magnify a big part of the pic, now it's only a ridiculous small part.

I wonder what kind of simpleton tought it was a good idea

I actually thought it was better than the previous zoom. That wasn't worth a damn. It'd only zoom in a teeny tiny bit.

 Opeth30 wrote:
You can expand it with your mouse wheel. Still far inferior to just a simple larger picture lol.

indeed, it seems that I'm the simpleton in this situation

no, it is worse. because the previous version allowed you to right click and get the original larger resolution image.

Now you only can save the small one

 Lord Scythican wrote:

 Wilson wrote:

 Lord Scythican wrote:

 Wilson wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
So what I hate about this release is that you cant buy 1 zoanthrope or venomthrope anymore. No. Longer. Possible.

Nope, you gotta have 3 now. And the sad part is all of them are monobuild monopose. So youre literally spending 3x as much to get 3 same looking models instead of one. Great for people who wanted to field a brood, but sucks for players who just wanted one.

I suppose people will soon start selling off surplus on ebay, also allowing others to just buy one, though if you add shipping to that youre still worse off than before.

so buy it cheaper from eBay or [MOD EDIT - Please don't suggest that. Dakka Dakka in no way condones such things. Thanks! - Alpharius]. You can have mine if you like!

I really wish people wouldn't do this so much. My local flgs isn't doing so good because people buy there stuff cheap off the internet (or even cheaper from China). If my local flgs shuts down, I might as well sell all of my miniatures.

For sure that would suck and I hope that it doesn't happen.

Sorry If I sounded like an ass. Just depressed about it. I got a lot of people that go to my shop and they buy online. I got probably 40,000 points worth of minis because I like to support the shop. I can't do it on my own though :(

As for being on topic...I am still buying 4 Nidpods from my flgs. I should be able to get them today!

No, you're right and I agree - and I'm a big fan of not supporting GW's terrible half assed releases, and making cheap conversions / using other means to acquire their model, because I fully do not like putting my dollar next to the decision to release poorly written, lazily balanced, money grabbing releases.



BUT - this isn't one of those releases! GW has finally pulled it's head in, they've released something that is not unbalanced (neither positively nor negatively), which catered exactly to what the customers were begging for, and turned one of the most linear codexes in the game into one of the most versatile. If you want to see more like this - SUPPORT IT WITH YOUR DOLLAR. Otherwise you never have any right to complain about poor writing or balancing in rules if you choose to pirate or proxy.


That being said, if you are one of the people that knew how badly written the original release was, and though you thought the new FMC model was ugly, you still went out and bought a hardback copy of the codex day 1 and ended up buying the FMC kit 5 times for your Skyblight airforce, just because you have the money - then you are the worst type of person in 40k, you are knowingly and directly contributing to the game getting worse! Unless of course you see it as your duty to your FLGS, and now that your armies release rolled around its your turn to spend some dough at the local, makes sense. But otherwise - don't support the poorly written crap, I know you can't suggest piracy here so I won't do that, but I will say how easy it is to make a cool conversion, or at least purchase from eBay (not day one resellers) or Dakka Swap Shop, to likely keep some money out of GW's pockets and make them see they have to put in a bit of effort to make a bit of money.

 Wilson wrote:
Wow.

Well...I guess I'll be getting the digital edition. At least until it's back in print.

Dammit... this was supposed to go up tomorrow. I told my wife to be prepared for a Saturday sale-date for the US, and the book seems to have sold out in a few hours.... crap. :-( I was excited for that to be my birthday gift.

Edit: Not sure if they will have this many/honor the sales, but an Ebay seller with 99.9% positive feedback on 52k+ sales has 18 copies of the book up, and at a discount. I just ordered one, so fingers crossed. I was REALLY excited about this book so i'm hoping this works.

These things ALWAYS go up for preorder on Fridays. Anywhere from 2:05 to 2:30pm EST.

 Wilson wrote:
Wow.

Yeah, right? I get back from class and immediately check GW, but POOF it's already gone. What the heck? I'm hoping this is just one of those "sold out early to make people want it when it comes back in a day or two" things, because this would be the fastest sell out for GW in a long, long time, considering they didn't even advertise it as limited edition!

So, why does the paint guide have the new Broodlord on it, if he's not up for pre-order?? Will we see more nids next week?

Perhaps Tyranids are a very popular line. Maybe more popular than Space Wolves and Orks?

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Perhaps Tyranids are a very popular line. Maybe more popular than Space Wolves and Orks?

They do get an update every single edition.


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 madmitch411 wrote:
So, why does the paint guide have the new Broodlord on it, if he's not up for pre-order?? Will we see more nids next week?

New sculpt for the rumored Nids/BA Stormclaw style boxed set?

Hasn't sold out in Oz yet.

 Kanluwen wrote:
These things ALWAYS go up for preorder on Fridays. Anywhere from 2:05 to 2:30pm EST.

"You shoudaa known bettah!"

That's right Kan. Blame the customer.

I am quite pleased about all of this. I'm not a fan of this almost cartoonish "Zerg/Everblight" design direction, though, or the continuing trend of awful faux-biological names. The Maleceptor in particular looks like a kitbash between a Legion of Everblight Warbeast and a Carnifex or Haruspex. I am also irrationally annoyed by how it walks on its claws instead of having front hooves or "knuckles" to walk on (or just walking on its palm with the claws pulled back).

While the return of the Tyranid drop pod is very much a good thing, the kit looks too much like a Zerg building. It's chunky and cartoony in the wrong sort of way. It also doesn't look at all equipped for atmospheric entry, and there's not even a way to represent it post-rupturing as it is described to do (so it is, visually, in a perpetual state of never having landed). Why does a drop pod have a mouth on top? It's like they looked at the design of the Space Marine drop pod and tried to figure out how to make it look each element more gribbly independent of its other traits and supposed function; the downward thruster has become a pointless mouth, the fins and doors have become generic Tyranid carapace pieces topped by pointless tiny arms, the thickly reinforced base has become a bloated bag of flesh (in ignorance of its function, much like the mouth) and they stuck tentacles all over everything because tentacles are gribbly. It is quite a pity. I only hope that it will encourage a third party to put out something that actually looks good.

Zoanthropes have been redesigned for no actual reason, and not at all for the better. I do like the new Venomthropes, though.

Overall, I'm just happy that Tyranids are getting this much attention, even if I am disappointed with the look of the new models.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
These things ALWAYS go up for preorder on Fridays. Anywhere from 2:05 to 2:30pm EST.

"You shoudaa known bettah!"

That's right Kan. Blame the customer.

That's right HB. Pretend that it's not been this way for almost a year now...

Frankly, I'm still going to buy an old 3rd Edition Zoanthrope. The Neuthrope is a nice bit, and I might add one in for giggles because I missed the Doom being a thing, but I'm still not a fan of these types of Zoas.

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Opeth30 wrote:
You can expand it with your mouse wheel. Still far inferior to just a simple larger picture lol.

indeed, it seems that I'm the simpleton in this situation

Actually, before you could right click on an image and select "open link in new tab" and it would open the full enlarged image. You can't do that any more.

ugh. why would they make a book like this limited edition when every tyranid player NEEDS to buy it? how can they be so bad at business they literally disallow us to give them our money if we're not the first 1000 or whatever

 TyCorny wrote:
ugh. why would they make a book like this limited edition when every tyranid player NEEDS to buy it? how can they be so bad at business they literally disallow us to give them our money if we're not the first 1000 or whatever

As has been said multiple times, this was just the preorder stock. You can still get it from stores and quite possibly the web store in a week or so.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
These things ALWAYS go up for preorder on Fridays. Anywhere from 2:05 to 2:30pm EST.

"You shoudaa known bettah!"

That's right Kan. Blame the customer.

That's right HB. Pretend that it's not been this way for almost a year now...

So it's our fault that we're not hip to the groove of GW's inept product schemes?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
These things ALWAYS go up for preorder on Fridays. Anywhere from 2:05 to 2:30pm EST.

"You shoudaa known bettah!"

That's right Kan. Blame the customer.

That's right HB. Pretend that it's not been this way for almost a year now...

Hm, I would think there is no good excuse to not letting your customer give you money for a product. If GW sold out too early then they're inept, regardless of if it's been going on for a year.. that just means they've been inept for a year.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
These things ALWAYS go up for preorder on Fridays. Anywhere from 2:05 to 2:30pm EST.

"You shoudaa known bettah!"

That's right Kan. Blame the customer.

That's right HB. Pretend that it's not been this way for almost a year now...

So it's our fault that we're not hip to the groove of GW's inept product schemes?

If you're not hip to the groove, you aren't paying attention. This preorder went up exactly when I expected it to go up. They've been following the same pattern for some time now. Preorders always go up Friday. If you wait until day 2 to preorder a limited release item, you can't be mad if the company has already sold out. Be first in line next time, i.e., hit refresh around 2pm gst-5 until you see new product and order. Or just buy the regular version... Or buy an book version and print a copy if you have to have paper. There is no scenario where you can't own this content.

And sold out in Oz.

 Kriswall wrote:
They've been following the same pattern for some time now.

And we're meant to accept this, or consider it a good thing?

 Kriswall wrote:
There is no scenario where you can't own this content.

If I hadn't've stayed up all night to order the Void Shield generator it would've been sold out by the time I got up, so yeah, there are plenty of scenarios.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kriswall wrote:
They've been following the same pattern for some time now.

And we're meant to accept this, or consider it a good thing?

Only if you realize this is how most businesses operate. Didn't know yesterday was the release of the new apple device and they sold out? TOO BAD!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kriswall wrote:
There is no scenario where you can't own this content.

If I hadn't've stayed up all night to order the Void Shield generator it would've been sold out by the time I got up, so yeah, there are plenty of scenarios.

Cool. When a company does a limited run thing, it's limited. You stayed up all night knowing that if you didn't you probably wouldn't get one.
THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS IN ANY WAY. So their online stock, (which think about, is probably less than a 1/3rd the total) ran out. You have two options: 1, buy it 3rd party. 2, Acknowledge the world does not resolve around you Mr. Special Snowflake, and that when a company runs out of stock, they cannot mystically summon more copies. Be more patient and less selfish.
After all, if you had been able to buy one, but the guy next to you in line couldn't what would you say? "Sorry man, first come first serve."

Neronoxx wrote:
Only if you realize this is how most businesses operate. Didn't know yesterday was the release of the new apple device and they sold out? TOO BAD!

It really isn't how most business operate, that and the difference being the Apple device goes back in stock.

Neronoxx wrote:
THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS IN ANY WAY. So their online stock, (which think about, is probably less than a 1/3rd the total) ran out. You have two options: 1, buy it 3rd party. 2, Acknowledge the world does not resolve around you Mr. Special Snowflake, and that when a company runs out of stock, they cannot mystically summon more copies. Be more patient and less selfish.
After all, if you had been able to buy one, but the guy next to you in line couldn't what would you say? "Sorry man, first come first serve."

You just called me Mr. Special Snowflake. First time for everything I guess.

Anyway, I question why these things are limited in the fething first place. If they can keep stock of all their other books, why are these recent books (like the End Times books) so limited? It's unnecessary, it doesn't help GW, serves the customers in no practical way and in the end benefits no one.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Neronoxx wrote:
Only if you realize this is how most businesses operate. Didn't know yesterday was the release of the new apple device and they sold out? TOO BAD!

It really isn't how most business operate, that and the difference being the Apple device goes back in stock.

My unfulfilled iPhone order begs to differ.

As riveting as this topic is, how about we stay on the nids for now so this thread doesn't fall into the same abyss as the BA rumour thread.

Dissapointed the Leviathan book is sold out. Oh well. Maybe i'll be able to pick it up at the local shop. Hoping that the box set makes an appearance - I am really liking that new Broodlord.

This is nothing but artificial scarcity. And not good business sense at all, like H.B.M.C. already pointed out with several examples. The problem is that it may push sales in the shops and bring people into the GW stores - to grab a last copy of this 'much sought after item' - but it makes GW loose A LOT of sales from people not having stores nearby, etc Also it is getting ridiculous to put items on your birthday/christmas gift lists. In my personal case we used to do that a lot for several years but you cannot make people who are not in the hobby and don't (like your wife/gf) live close to you jump to the computer at friday night to order some fething GW books - it has got to a point at which this practice is creating more hassle than it is worth to deal with. And THAT is not a good thing for GW at all


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 Zande4 wrote:
As riveting as this topic is, how about we stay on the nids for now so this thread doesn't fall into the same abyss as the BA rumour thread.

Sorry, that's a good point, back to the topic

I am not really happy with the new Zoat's faces and will buy some old ones instead. The box is still good for the other two options. The price is also okay

Just picked up the White Dwarf today, I must say those Nid releases are great! The Zoanthrope out in a set of 3 models, nice. Looking forward to the Leviathan books set!

 Ifurita wrote:
Is that 6 new formations for Tyranids or 6 new formations in the book, including the imperial forces?

6 Tyranid formations, according to the description on the GW website.

It might just be my computer playing up, but the 360 views of the zoanthropes and venomthropes look stretched. Everything else is fine.

I have the same issue. I don't like this "upgrade" to the website. The zoom function is even less useful than before.

Grrrr! The Leviathan book is sold out!

GW is now producing mugs and biscuit tins.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I have the same issue. I don't like this "upgrade" to the website. The zoom function is even less useful than before.

Maybe they got the guy that does PP's main site in? Zoom on that was broken for ages.

OT: I like the tweaking of the SH Broodlord. I wonder if the rumoured BA/Nid box will feature a very slightly re-modeled BA Terminator from SH, too?

Regarding the books having sold out so quickly. On one hand I find this annoying. Hopefully there will be another print run. OTOH: I am frustrated by the day one errata that still plagues so many companies paper out put so I will probably go digital if the thing is reasonably priced.

I think it's unlikely they were expecting the popularity of this.

It's not that bad that they sold out, they probably had to play it safe, and I'm sure more will come now that they know

On Tyranids? I've not played 40k for almost a year due to Real Life Crap(tm) but have they dipped that much in popularity?

And just like with the End Times books, sold out almost immediately with no actual note that they're limited edition...

Oh my bad there's a tiny little 'while stocks last' right at the bottom of the product description.

Both end times books are definitely getting a soft cover release. So would imagine this will too.

So people keep saying but has there been anything concrete to confirm that?

And I bet they sour the softcover release somehow. Like make it just the rules or something. I don't have any faith in GW to do a good thing (or even a logical thing) anymore.

The order gw sent to the printers for these and any book releases is done about 3/4 months ago maybe even longer. Reason being that formating, test runs, stock build up, shipping and other things i probly dont know about so they guess and fora bussiness under stocking is better than over stocking for tax reasons.
Is it a pita h@#$ yes but thems the brakes.

A limited edition hardcover is the logical response to ebook editions that end up floating around as PDFs within hours of release. It means GW can score as much cash as possible from the folks who must have it asap and the ebay scalper crowd, and then keep selling the content indefinitely.

 xttz wrote:
A limited edition hardcover is the logical response to ebook editions that end up floating around as PDFs within hours of release. It means GW can score as much cash as possible from the folks who must have it asap and the ebay scalper crowd, and then keep selling the content indefinitely.

Which would be fine, if they were actually advertised as limited edition.

 ImAGeek wrote:
So people keep saying but has there been anything concrete to confirm that?

And I bet they sour the softcover release somehow. Like make it just the rules or something. I don't have any faith in GW to do a good thing (or even a logical thing) anymore.

I can 100% confirm a release of the end times books.

Broodlord out of stock on AUS and US websites. Still in stock on CAN and UK though.

That's something at least. Still, it should have been communicated that the hardback ones were limited edition, and a regular edition would be coming.

 Zande4 wrote:
Broodlord out of stock on AUS and US websites. Still in stock on CAN and UK though.

Well if it goes out of stock in the UK as well hopefully it means the new brood lord won't be restricted to a limited release as part of the campaign box.

BTW if anyone was after tyranid dice Warpshadow are talking about doing another custom order.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 xttz wrote:
A limited edition hardcover is the logical response to ebook editions that end up floating around as PDFs within hours of release. It means GW can score as much cash as possible from the folks who must have it asap and the ebay scalper crowd, and then keep selling the content indefinitely.

Which would be fine, if they were actually advertised as limited edition.

The big evil GW website wrote:This product is available only while stocks last, and has been printed in only in English.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Neronoxx wrote:
Only if you realize this is how most businesses operate. Didn't know yesterday was the release of the new apple device and they sold out? TOO BAD!

It really isn't how most business operate, that and the difference being the Apple device goes back in stock.

Neronoxx wrote:
THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS IN ANY WAY. So their online stock, (which think about, is probably less than a 1/3rd the total) ran out. You have two options: 1, buy it 3rd party. 2, Acknowledge the world does not resolve around you Mr. Special Snowflake, and that when a company runs out of stock, they cannot mystically summon more copies. Be more patient and less selfish.
After all, if you had been able to buy one, but the guy next to you in line couldn't what would you say? "Sorry man, first come first serve."

You just called me Mr. Special Snowflake. First time for everything I guess.

Anyway, I question why these things are limited in the fething first place. If they can keep stock of all their other books, why are these recent books (like the End Times books) so limited? It's unnecessary, it doesn't help GW, serves the customers in no practical way and in the end benefits no one.

It absolutely helps GW because it drives demand and excitement for the inevitable non-Limited release. Ultimately it creates a feeling of "Oh! I missed this! Better buy it now while I can." when the regular release comes out. Overall demand increases versus if they had never released a limited edition. If you're interested in how this works, do a little research into the publishing industry. You may not like it, but it's good for GW and their stockholders.

I'm would guess their intent is to sell out as soon as possible during the preorder window while still selling a fair number. I believe around 2000 units is the normal limited amount for books.

The Void Shield Generator is a different issue, isn't relevant to the current conversation as it's not a book, and should probably never have been limited. I have no idea what was going on there. I would imagine they really didn't think it would sell.

 xttz wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 xttz wrote:
A limited edition hardcover is the logical response to ebook editions that end up floating around as PDFs within hours of release. It means GW can score as much cash as possible from the folks who must have it asap and the ebay scalper crowd, and then keep selling the content indefinitely.

Which would be fine, if they were actually advertised as limited edition.

The big evil GW website wrote:This product is available only while stocks last, and has been printed in only in English.

I'm talking more about Nagash which I'm still bitter about.

Did the Stormclaw releases sell out on preorder as well? I would assume they printed the same numbers, but I have nothing to base it on.

Hardcover being limited just like Codex LEs is fine, but like the Codexes they should've said "regular release coming in a few months.

 YourIntestines wrote:
GW is now producing mugs and biscuit tins.

If they put a little more work into those, I might be tempted to pick one up. But just the paint splatter and name of the color? For $17? Pass.

If rather then “Macragge Blue” written on it, they put a on, I’d be there. I’m sure if the did the same with The Fang, Caliban Green, and Mephiston Red, with corresponding SW/DA/BA logos they would sell a lot more. Full color would be best, but even a white silhouette so they can keep it single color (for cheep printing) that’d still be much better. While marines are easily color coded, I’m sure a purple one with a ‘Nid logo, or a silver necron one would also do well.

There is an untapped market for 40k swag. With a little more effort these would have made a great gift for any 40k player.

Agreed, plus the bonus is that a lot of that kind of market can be really cheap so its an ideal stocking filler - plus its another market line they can use to sell to existing fans who might already have most of the models they want.

I could see mugs with faction symbols printed upon them selling really well.

rollawaythestone wrote:
Dissapointed the Leviathan book is sold out. Oh well. Maybe i'll be able to pick it up at the local shop. Hoping that the box set makes an appearance - I am really liking that new Broodlord.

I'm actually thinking that the new Broodlord is going to be a plastic clamshell release.

My reasoning for that? These painting books have all had a general release item on the cover. Logan Grimnar for the Space Wolves and the new Haemonculi for the Dark Eldar.


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 Zande4 wrote:
Broodlord out of stock on AUS and US websites. Still in stock on CAN and UK though.

Well if it goes out of stock in the UK as well hopefully it means the new brood lord won't be restricted to a limited release as part of the campaign box.

If it was going to be released as part of the campaign box, the availability of the Finecast version would not be affected (sadly).

The campaign box released previously(Stormclaw) used components from existing boxes put into a box with the new character sprues.

Sinful Hero wrote:Did the Stormclaw releases sell out on preorder as well? I would assume they printed the same numbers, but I have nothing to base it on.

They sold out the day after. But I think that GW overdid it on follow-up orders as the books seem to sit on the shelves now. My own local GW has 5 copies of each book, and several local independents actually still have four or more copies of Stormclaw.

From Talk Wargaming:

http://www.talkwargaming.com/2014/11/news-more-images-of-new-broodlord.html

New Broodlord?

It's huge!!!

Very big. Cool.

I love how its lower arms are posed like it is sneaking like a comic book character.

Isn't that just the Space Hulk Broodlord?

 Redemption wrote:
I love how its lower arms are posed like it is sneaking like a comic book character.

I see it more as typing angrily about the delayed Blood Angels codex.

I hope it has an alternate head. Not a massive fan of that one.

I was just about to ask for pictures of this new Broodlord (Beeflord?). I am not at all disappointed.

EDIT: Isn't there an enormous Broodlord at the end of the Deathwing game trailer?

 streamdragon wrote:
Isn't that just the Space Hulk Broodlord?

Negative. It's seemingly bigger than the Space Hulk one.

Well this is the Space Hulk one yes?:



It's pose, specifically the arms, are noticeably different than the leaked pic.

Obviously similar to the Spacehulk one, very cool!

Very cool- looks massive and I love the big claws! Hopefully a clam pack release..

It's very obviously inspired by the Space Hulk Broodlord (which is a lovely model, so that's great), but not so much that they would look bad side-by-side.

With the re-addition, in a fashion, of mycetic spores and the Doom of Malan'tai, I hope that the new Broodlord heralds a replacement for Ymgarl Genestealers. Obviously not assaulting from reserves (as that doesn't happen any more), but some way of making Genestealers actually useful, even if it's just a Formation.

What is the broodlord herald thing? I miss something?

I believe he meant the brood lord might suggest the return of the old genestealers, not that it was a herald (verb not noun)

Looks pretty nice, would be tempted to lose the horn but that should be fairly straight forward.

Is anyone talking about the fact that this campaign book has a very obvious gene stealer cult inclusion? I suggest everyone dl the "tempestus" extract from the app which depicts a cult directly. As far as I know this is the most attention GW has given this facet of the fluff in years.

Now, I'm (almost*) as cynical as most people when it comes to GW, but seeing as this whole event very clearly pops off with a GS cult do you think any formations might adress this? Or at the highest point of wish listing, even give allies options with guard?

*ok, not nearly

 Melcavuk wrote:
I believe he meant the brood lord might suggest the return of the old genestealers, not that it was a herald (verb not noun)

Yes. Although that would make it a herald (of better Genestealers), but not something specifically called a "Broodlord Herald".

any leaks on whats in that new book, I know formations, but what kind...is that information out yet?

I expect the Tyranids curbstomping the Imperials in this book and consuming the Shields of Baal. But the next book will be an Imperial victory (we can't have Leviathan consuming Baal just before the releasing of the new Blood Angel Codex) at some great cost.

So whats the deal with this chatter about a "Screechfiend"? Where are people getting this? Whats the deal!? I must know!

rollawaythestone wrote:
So whats the deal with this chatter about a "Screechfiend"? Where are people getting this? Whats the deal!? I must know!

Ah, so it's just a couple of Harpies with a fluffy moniker.

That's an Harpy with a Tentaclid attached... nice.

Although in the image they have stranglethorn cannons, not venom cannons.

beast_gts wrote:

rollawaythestone wrote:
So whats the deal with this chatter about a "Screechfiend"? Where are people getting this? Whats the deal!? I must know!

Spoiler:

Sounds like one of the formations maybe?

 Carnage43 wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

rollawaythestone wrote:
So whats the deal with this chatter about a "Screechfiend"? Where are people getting this? Whats the deal!? I must know!

Spoiler:

Sounds like one of the formations maybe?

Quite possibly.

Skyblight 2.0!

The Crarpy.

I like this new artwork. It's especially good to see new content and not just more recycled art/prose as in the Tyranid Codex.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Perhaps Tyranids are a very popular line. Maybe more popular than Space Wolves and Orks?

Didn't GW flat out say once that Nids were the most popular non-SM army?

I have heard that Nids are (or at least were) the most popular xeno army, but don't quote me on that.

During 4th edition there was talk (that probably came from somewhere semi official, probably banter with staff at Games Day) that Tyranids were their best selling xeno line by far - this was probably bolstered by Tyranids being ridiculously powerful in 4th.

That popularity probably hit rock bottom with 5th and 6ths complete lack of meaningful support - in fact, attempts to make them terrible. These new kits are a great step in the right direction, but they need to fix the rules so the army actually has some viable compatitive builds outside of the one it has right now.

Venomthropes - I remember someone worrying about them being monopose. It looks like you can manipulate the tentacles to give some variety.

Those look fething boss.

Here is a sneak peek of one of the Formations - the Hypertoxic Node. Can't make anything out though.

Well gak. I just spent most of the day working on my long WIP Tervigon, and have been pondering buying the Haruspex. Maybe two to get an Exocrine.

I had a hypertoxic node once, went through a lot if ointment.

Venomthropes really do look awesome!

I'm hoping that this is the start of the sort of cycles of new releases for existing books that GW plans to maintain.

Looks like a venomthrope/toxicrene formation judging from the name.

Odds are a second one will be a Tyrannocyte formation, hopefully with a marine-esque drop pod assault rule.

Probably a psychic formation with zoans/neuro and maleceptor. Reroll psychic tests? More power dice?

I'd bet one of the last ones will be a sporocyst/mucoloid/spore mine formation. No idea here....reroll scatter on random movement/deepstrike?

Last 2 will be something out of left field.

 plastictrees wrote:
I had a hypertoxic node once, went through a lot if ointment.

lel

 plastictrees wrote:
Venomthropes really do look awesome!

I'm hoping that this is the start of the sort of cycles of new releases for existing books that GW plans to maintain.

Yeah, I do like the plastic venom/zoanthropes. Like a lot of plastic kits they seem to lack some of the finer detail that the previous metal sculpts had (like the venomthrope for example had little veins snaking up its carapace and spines, and the toxin sacs had more texture I believe) but they're not terrible. I do miss the old zoey's smile, though, much more Alien-esque to me than this new one, although the new "crowns" make them look a lot more like little Alien queens. Not sure what they were thinking with that Egyptian-style chin piece, either, but it's easy to clip off I guess.

But yeah, more model releases that don't coincide with a codex release would be good.

Kind of related, i just noticed this week's White Dwarf is Number 6 on the iBooks store.

These kits do look great. It gives me great hope to see a plastic lictor set, but I wonder how many more weeks of bug love there could be?

 Iechine wrote:
These kits do look great. It gives me great hope to see a plastic lictor set, but I wonder how many more weeks of bug love there could be?

After all this, It'll be hard to accept no more releases. I am holding out for a GMC before christmas. It just has to happen.

 TyCorny wrote:
ugh. why would they make a book like this limited edition when every tyranid player NEEDS to buy it? how can they be so bad at business they literally disallow us to give them our money if we're not the first 1000 or whatever

It builds up artificial hype. So far I say about 80-90% of latest GW releases seem to sell out as soon as pre-orders go. So now people will think, "OMG when Blood Angles or Necrons are released I better pre-order as well or I won't be able to get it." Next time Nids get another wave release for the rest of stuff that is not in plastic, a lot of us will "IMPULSE BUY" thinking if we don't get it now, we won't get it later and therefore maybe buy more as well.

I guess it worked so if there is a Nids/BA Sanctus Reach boxset type, I think I will be getting it now because of the Brood Lord. (Just a guess not a rumour.) So what ever GW is doing it seems to be working. They might not be making millions from only selling 1000 or 2000 copies, but they have achieved the image of everything selling out all the time and are must buys.


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 Redemption wrote:

 Ifurita wrote:
Is that 6 new formations for Tyranids or 6 new formations in the book, including the imperial forces?

6 Tyranid formations, according to the description on the GW website.

Could it really be 5 Tyranid formations? The last one is a formation inside a formation inside the last formation.

Davor wrote:

 TyCorny wrote:
ugh. why would they make a book like this limited edition when every tyranid player NEEDS to buy it? how can they be so bad at business they literally disallow us to give them our money if we're not the first 1000 or whatever

It builds up artificial hype. So far I say about 80-90% of latest GW releases seem to sell out as soon as pre-orders go. So now people will think, "OMG when Blood Angles or Necrons are released I better pre-order as well or I won't be able to get it." Next time Nids get another wave release for the rest of stuff that is not in plastic, a lot of us will "IMPULSE BUY" thinking if we don't get it now, we won't get it later and therefore maybe buy more as well.

I guess it worked so if there is a Nids/BA Sanctus Reach boxset type, I think I will be getting it now because of the Brood Lord. (Just a guess not a rumour.) So what ever GW is doing it seems to be working. They might not be making millions from only selling 1000 or 2000 copies, but they have achieved the image of everything selling out all the time and are must buys.

The flaw to this approach is that there are people like me who just think "err feth it, if GW doesn't want my money they won't get it".

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I have the same issue. I don't like this "upgrade" to the website. The zoom function is even less useful than before.

I wonder if this new feature, costed another million or 4.


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AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Davor wrote:

 TyCorny wrote:
ugh. why would they make a book like this limited edition when every tyranid player NEEDS to buy it? how can they be so bad at business they literally disallow us to give them our money if we're not the first 1000 or whatever

It builds up artificial hype. So far I say about 80-90% of latest GW releases seem to sell out as soon as pre-orders go. So now people will think, "OMG when Blood Angles or Necrons are released I better pre-order as well or I won't be able to get it." Next time Nids get another wave release for the rest of stuff that is not in plastic, a lot of us will "IMPULSE BUY" thinking if we don't get it now, we won't get it later and therefore maybe buy more as well.

I guess it worked so if there is a Nids/BA Sanctus Reach boxset type, I think I will be getting it now because of the Brood Lord. (Just a guess not a rumour.) So what ever GW is doing it seems to be working. They might not be making millions from only selling 1000 or 2000 copies, but they have achieved the image of everything selling out all the time and are must buys.

The flaw to this approach is that there are people like me who just think "err feth it, if GW doesn't want my money they won't get it".

I agree. I wanted to buy these books. I see sold out, called 2 stores and they don't even know if they can order it. What kind of business practice is this when a store doesn't know if they can order it for their customers.

I just started to come back to GW and 40K because of the new Nid release as a collector and now I remember one of the reasons why I left in the first place. It seems GW doesn't want my money.


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The Division Of Joy wrote:
Both end times books are definitely getting a soft cover release. So would imagine this will too.

Did Sanctus Reach books get the soft cover treatment? If not, I don't think so. End Times is something different. GW wants people to get into Fantasy. GW built up the hype that End Times is a must buy now. So GW tactics are working.

I see one of the books for Sanctus reach is available in iBooks. So I guess this is the only way of getting it now. Through iBooks or Black Lirbrary.

Davor wrote:

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The Division Of Joy wrote:
Both end times books are definitely getting a soft cover release. So would imagine this will too.

Did Sanctus Reach books get the soft cover treatment? If not, I don't think so. End Times is something different. GW wants people to get into Fantasy. GW built up the hype that End Times is a must buy now. So GW tactics are working.

I see one of the books for Sanctus reach is available in iBooks. So I guess this is the only way of getting it now. Through iBooks or Black Lirbrary.

Both of the Sanctus Reach books("Hour of the Wolf" and "The Red Waagh") are still available in hardcover via the GW US website.

My local GW has four copies of each on the shelf to boot, so those books aren't an issue.

 Tyran wrote:
I have heard that Nids are (or at least were) the most popular xeno army, but don't quote me on that.

Just quoted you on that.


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xowainx wrote:Kind of related, i just noticed this week's White Dwarf is Number 6 on the iBooks store.

Not sure what you mean? Mine says issue 42.

Kanluwen wrote:

Davor wrote:

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The Division Of Joy wrote:
Both end times books are definitely getting a soft cover release. So would imagine this will too.

Did Sanctus Reach books get the soft cover treatment? If not, I don't think so. End Times is something different. GW wants people to get into Fantasy. GW built up the hype that End Times is a must buy now. So GW tactics are working.

I see one of the books for Sanctus reach is available in iBooks. So I guess this is the only way of getting it now. Through iBooks or Black Lirbrary.

Both of the Sanctus Reach books("Hour of the Wolf" and "The Red Waagh") are still available in hardcover via the GW US website.

My local GW has four copies of each on the shelf to boot, so those books aren't an issue.

Thank you that is good to know. I would like to get both versions. One for my Tyranid collection of books and the iPad version because it's easier for me to read. Damn getting old, having a hard time reading. Good to know I can buy the books at a later date and not worry about it now.

 -Loki- wrote:


That popularity probably hit rock bottom with 5th and 6ths complete lack of meaningful support - in fact, attempts to make them terrible. These new kits are a great step in the right direction, but they need to fix the rules so the army actually has some viable compatitive builds outside of the one it has right now.

I don't know if you hadn't noticed in the last 2 White Dwarf mags, but the Tyranids have now got STUPIDLY competitive builds.

I'm just going to say that the Pyschic Choir is now back (in a new form) and the Doom of Malanti just got reborn in the process as well....three units of these things running around the board....oh wait, let me correct myself, DROPPING on the board. I think Grey Knights, Tau and Eldar just collectively took a dump in their under armor......

As a looooooong time AND LOYAL bug player (V2-V6) I applaud GW (for once in about 7-8 yrs) for this sudden surprise.

 Third_Age_of_Baggz wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:


That popularity probably hit rock bottom with 5th and 6ths complete lack of meaningful support - in fact, attempts to make them terrible. These new kits are a great step in the right direction, but they need to fix the rules so the army actually has some viable compatitive builds outside of the one it has right now.

I don't know if you hadn't noticed in the last 2 White Dwarf mags, but the Tyranids have now got STUPIDLY competitive builds.

I'm just going to say that the Pyschic Choir is now back (in a new form) and the Doom of Malanti just got reborn in the process as well....three units of these things running around the board....oh wait, let me correct myself, DROPPING on the board. I think Grey Knights, Tau and Eldar just collectively took a dump in their under armor......

As a looooooong time AND LOYAL bug player (V2-V6) I applaud GW (for once in about 7-8 yrs) for this sudden surprise.

I think "Stupidly" competitive is a bit premature. Right now at the very least are getting some more options!

I'm hoping the Broodlord is a clampack, and not in the new Shield of Baal set. I really don't want to have to buy a Shield of Baal set for just the Broodord!

Davor wrote:

xowainx wrote:Kind of related, i just noticed this week's White Dwarf is Number 6 on the iBooks store.

Not sure what you mean? Mine says issue 42.

I think they mean it's the number 6 seller on Ibooks.

 Third_Age_of_Baggz wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:


That popularity probably hit rock bottom with 5th and 6ths complete lack of meaningful support - in fact, attempts to make them terrible. These new kits are a great step in the right direction, but they need to fix the rules so the army actually has some viable compatitive builds outside of the one it has right now.

I don't know if you hadn't noticed in the last 2 White Dwarf mags, but the Tyranids have now got STUPIDLY competitive builds.

I'm just going to say that the Pyschic Choir is now back (in a new form) and the Doom of Malanti just got reborn in the process as well....three units of these things running around the board....oh wait, let me correct myself, DROPPING on the board. I think Grey Knights, Tau and Eldar just collectively took a dump in their under armor......

As a looooooong time AND LOYAL bug player (V2-V6) I applaud GW (for once in about 7-8 yrs) for this sudden surprise.

The Choir is not really back, and the Doom is not really back either. Zope broods did become really hard to move synapse pegs at 12 3++ wounds and gained some interesting versatility having 4 powers now with the Neuro: Warp Lance, Dominion, Spirit Leech, +1 random.

barnowl wrote:

 Third_Age_of_Baggz wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

The Choir is not really back, and the Doom is not really back either. Zope broods did become really hard to move synapse pegs at 12 3++ wounds and gained some interesting versatility having 4 powers now with the Neuro: Warp Lance, Dominion, Spirit Leech, +1 random.

I did say "new form" so I'm not implying the EXACT thing...why does everyone have to be so literal all the time? Jeezuz....just be happy for a change...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

What is the thing near the centre, to the left of the Tervigon?

 angelofvengeance wrote:
This just got posted in the WFB End Times III thread. Looks like we're back to Shield of Baal campaign.

Madrilous wrote:
Image of the Issue 44 Preview, looks like we are back to 40k again: (Source http://www.talkwargaming.com/2014/11/leaks-warhammer-khaine-revealed.html)

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 Frozen Ocean wrote:
Not that GW would necessarily care, but it would totally invalidate the large numbers of Broodlord models people have purchased over the years. Besides, having that enormous thing be the new "sergeant" would be awful.

Awful how? lol. It's a big snippy clawed brood leader beast- with psychic powers too I might add.

@MidnightDB: 140 Genestealers. Good god, man.

Something to do with ultramarines?

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Apocrypha_of_Skaros

 Aeon wrote:
Is it possible its a new unit (a Broodlord Prime)

Doesnt Shield of Baal list 6 new Datasheets and 6 new formations? There were only 5 new kits in WD so far...

There were only 5 new models, but the Zoanthropes received a rules update, so I believe they will be the 6th Datasheet, with 6 Formations rounding it out to twelve. Also, the fact that there are already six new datasheets, and 6 new Formations means the listed total of twelve has been reached, since I doubt Nids will get another book anytime soon. I'm going to go ahead and say we aren't getting any new units (like the GMC mentioned a while back) for a long time. But, I would expect new models, like the Broodlord, at some point when they release a campaign box.

 Wilson wrote:



Something to do with ultramarines?

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Apocrypha_of_Skaros

No. Phil Kelly's random background ramblings. There've been a few in the past...

 jifel wrote:

 Aeon wrote:
Is it possible its a new unit (a Broodlord Prime)

Doesnt Shield of Baal list 6 new Datasheets and 6 new formations? There were only 5 new kits in WD so far...

There were only 5 new models, but the Zoanthropes received a rules update, so I believe they will be the 6th Datasheet, with 6 Formations rounding it out to twelve. Also, the fact that there are already six new datasheets, and 6 new Formations means the listed total of twelve has been reached, since I doubt Nids will get another book anytime soon. I'm going to go ahead and say we aren't getting any new units (like the GMC mentioned a while back) for a long time. But, I would expect new models, like the Broodlord, at some point when they release a campaign box.

Aye, the datasheets are:
- Toxicrene
- Maleceptor
- Tyrannocyte
- Sporocyst
- Mucolid Spore Cluster
- Updated Zoanthrope Brood

And we already know of at least he existence of these formations (although not their exact rules):
- Skytyrant Swarm
- Hypertoxic node

So that leaves four more formations, warlord traits and a detachment. Maybe some new relics?

Any Information if the Tyrannocyte/Sporocyst and Zoantroph rules will be released as PDF like Maleceptor/Toxicrene?

Well, the Warlord table is already a lot better.

Now, to see the Artifacts and the Formations!

I don't see artifacts listed there.

Skyblight? again?

 Tyran wrote:
Skyblight? again?

Providing it in hardcover this time, right?

Well thats several easy ways of getting 4 Flyrants into one CAD + Formation.

I knew the drop pod formation was too good to be true though.

Edit: That Skytyrant node is disappointing, Why would you want a Majority T3 hive Tyrant that cannot fly?

Well that be a nerf to skybright. but not surprising

Intreasting formations, that's for sure.

Detachment is the best!!!!!! 3 Flyrants without self-allying!!!!!

Also a gargoyle unit with a Hive Tyrant upgrade is interesting. A little sad that they reprinted the Skyblight Swarm instead of a new formation




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 Desubot wrote:
Well that be a nerf to skybright. but not surprising

I assume you mean skyblight and and I'm not sure I'm seeing a Nerf....Looks exactly the same.

Hypertoxic Node seems really great.

Allows you to take the venoms without wasting a slot, in addition it doesn't specify the HT has to be walking, so you now get your Tyrant with Instant death.

It even improves the Toxicrene... Seems pretty good to me!

Damn! Those are some pretty awesome formations.

"1 Lords of War"? What Tyranid model is a Lord of War?

 xttz wrote:

Timd,

We have the Herophant, and the two Heriordules.

timd wrote:
"1 Lords of War"? What Tyranid model is a Lord of War?

 xttz wrote:

Heirodule, Harradin, Hierophant

 Sasori wrote:
Hypertoxic Node seems really great.

Allows you to take the venoms without wasting a slot, in addition it doesn't specify the HT has to be walking, so you now get your Tyrant with Instant death.

It even improves the Toxicrene... Seems pretty good to me!

That Hypertoxic rule not only applies to the Venomthropes and Tyrant Toxin Sac attacks, but to Toxic Miasma and ranged Miasma Cannon hits too. That's a lot of Instant Death.

 Hulksmash wrote:


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 Desubot wrote:
Well that be a nerf to skybright. but not surprising

I assume you mean skyblight and and I'm not sure I'm seeing a Nerf....Looks exactly the same.

Oh am i herping? i though they always come back no need for 4+

Then never mind (actually i thought there objsec was stronger before)

On reflection, Skytyrant could be awesome...

Conga-line the gargoyles back to a backfield malano/veno while the Flyrant moves up the board with a 2+ Jink and 2+LOS...

could work nicely!


that T3 is really bugging me though... Grrr.

 xttz wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
Hypertoxic Node seems really great.

Allows you to take the venoms without wasting a slot, in addition it doesn't specify the HT has to be walking, so you now get your Tyrant with Instant death.

It even improves the Toxicrene... Seems pretty good to me!

That Hypertoxic rule not only applies to the Venomthropes and Tyrant Toxin Sac attacks, but to Toxic Miasma and ranged Miasma Cannon hits too. That's a lot of Instant Death.

This is a very good point!

Makes it even more of a no brainier. The Toxicrene may also be worth it with a pod too.

The Neural node is way to expensive to be decent. Skytide is also incredibly expensive, so wont' be seen outside non apocalypse games.

Skyblght, for some reason I thought it was 2 crones and 1 harpy before.

The Spore one will be really good, if the Mucolid spores work out to being decent.

Skytyrant is.. interesting, but I think it's a pass.

Does anyone else find it funny that the picture of the Hive Tyrant in the toxic node has a Bonesword.

 Sasori wrote:
Timd,

We have the Herophant, and the two Heriordules.

DOH! And as Wilson said, the Harridan.

Was thinking about GW plastic kits, not FW kits...

Well that was very disappointting. Regreating that fact that I pre-odered that book. Waste of $66.

azazel70820 wrote:
Well that was very disappointting. Regreating that fact that I pre-odered that book. Waste of $66.

Kinda feel the same... :(

i think the skytyrant one will be alot of fun. Melee hive tyrant with 20+ LoS wounds that you can daisy chain back to a malanthrope/venomthrope.

If you want you can run the tyrant up front, jink with shrouded for a 2+ cover save to tank some of that.

Yes it is majority T3, but a melee tyrant is always fun to play.

I'm not regretting it. It's all the new units and upgraded units in print. It's new formations and a new detachment. And it's got a fluff book that I'm testing the waters on to see if getting them for 40k is worth it like it has been for Fantasy with the End Times series.

azazel70820 wrote:
Well that was very disappointting. Regreating that fact that I pre-odered that book. Waste of $66.

If I can't get a copy, I'll take it off your hands!

 Wilson wrote:

azazel70820 wrote:
Well that was very disappointting. Regreating that fact that I pre-odered that book. Waste of $66.

Kinda feel the same... :(

So....why?
New rules, new formations, city fight rules, campaign scenarios, background and what looks to be some nice art.
Which part of that is disappointing?

Kind of disappointing.

EDIT: In reference to the formations, not the book.

My only disapointment is the Skyblight reprint. If they'd swapped that for a drop pod formation it would be my favoritist of books

 Hulksmash wrote:
My only disapointment is the Skyblight reprint. If they'd swapped that for a drop pod formation it would be my favoritist of books

I think the key to my kinda ...."aww man" kinda vibe is the hope for a drop pod formation...

turn 1 pods would have been so exciting.

 Hulksmash wrote:
My only disapointment is the Skyblight reprint. If they'd swapped that for a drop pod formation it would be my favoritist of books

That would have honestly made this amazing to me, even if it was the only formation they put in.

 Hulksmash wrote:
My only disapointment is the Skyblight reprint. If they'd swapped that for a drop pod formation it would be my favoritist of books

Remember that this is supposed to be Book I; and what's more it isn't even really the "invasion" proper. It's the initial wave of gribbilies.

Oh I'm aware I just would have wanted it NOW!!!! It makes sense to let the initial excitement purchases of the pod happen and then give another reason to buy more later.

I really wonder if there is any weight to the "baneblade sized bug" talk on warpshadow that came after the toxicrene.

Either way, as a BA and Nid player, i'll be buying all this campaign stuff, loving it and enjoying it.

Now, to get painting gargoyles. AFTER Renegade Open this weekend!

See ya there BeeCee And I'm not looking forward to repainting my 60 gargoyles in the new army colors myself. But I do like the idea of a Gargoyle squad led by a Hive Tyrant

Hulk, looking forward to consuming beverages with you and the rest of the Frozen North/ Adeptus Brew City/ Insert random people who like to drink that will also be at Renegade!

Now we wait for book 2. Sanctus Reach was 2 books right? not that they have to follow the same formula or anything.

BeeCee wrote:
I really wonder if there is any weight to the "baneblade sized bug" talk on warpshadow that came after the toxicrene.

There is, the recent big bug with tentacles was described as being as wide as a baneblade (can't remember if it was in the white dwarf, or in white dwarf daily from the website) and sadly I think it was misinterpreted from there.

I really wish there was a big bug, and there will be, GW likes to make bigger and bigger kits.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Oh I'm aware I just would have wanted it NOW!!!! It makes sense to let the initial excitement purchases of the pod happen and then give another reason to buy more later.

Personally, I'm expecting book 2 to be BA-focused, but I guess you never know.

I'm thrilled with Tyrannocytes anyway -- turn 1 formation or no turn 1 formation.

Leviathan gives us an easy legal way to have 3 Tyrants without self allying.

SkyTyrant gives you a fourth Tyrant and the gargoyles you probably already want anyway.

So there is that.

 xttz wrote:

So, is there no Objective Secured on this detachment? I like the extra HQ but I have to question whether it's worth it to give up ObSec for an extra Flyrant...

 jifel wrote:

So, is there no Objective Secured on this detachment? I like the extra HQ but I have to question whether it's worth it to give up ObSec for an extra Flyrant...

Correct. Just like every other detachment that has been released.

I 'spose there could be new creatures in the next book, but I don't think we're getting any more new models outside of the Broodlord.

 pretre wrote:

 jifel wrote:

So, is there no Objective Secured on this detachment? I like the extra HQ but I have to question whether it's worth it to give up ObSec for an extra Flyrant...

Correct. Just like every other detachment that has been released.

And yes it is worth it.

Disappointed these formations are just more Flyrant spam stuff.

60 Gargoyles in a unit with a Reaper Flyrant could be pretty scary.