I now am making aircraft as well as Tanks, but the Tanks are loyal to the Emperor, and the plane is an Ork attack craft! That would be bad for the zeppelin if it saw it flying about Vik! Orks love to shoot at big targets.
You know what that needs? Some brown/black or red washes, nice and thick, to really bring out the details- and when I say washes, I mean allll over. Dunk it in your brush-cleaning jar after you've been doing the mud for a while.
I say this because when I look at the things like between the plates, the hatch on the front, the smoke launchers, the extra ammo boxes, they're just solid, with no variation. You need shadow and wear on them, places where the dust and dirt settle that can't be cleaned with a hose-down, things like that.
Anvildude wrote:You know what that needs? Some brown/black or red washes, nice and thick, to really bring out the details- and when I say washes, I mean allll over. Dunk it in your brush-cleaning jar after you've been doing the mud for a while.
I say this because when I look at the things like between the plates, the hatch on the front, the smoke launchers, the extra ammo boxes, they're just solid, with no variation. You need shadow and wear on them, places where the dust and dirt settle that can't be cleaned with a hose-down, things like that.
Oh I agree, that is the next step! I have a big 'ole tank brush and plenty of black and devlan mud washes to slather that with, like a turkey in the oven! I will take the blackest and get the seams and cracks, then washes allover with devlan mud for the overall grime feel of a dirty tank! But first I need to add decals so that they too get the dirtied effects as welll.
yucky muddy this tank has become...someone driving that and caring for it has gone all slutty on it^^ by the way, what colors do you use for the mud? and i second the wash shower^^ suggested by anvildude, particulary the red wash sound interresting as this might cause some nice shading effects...
well i can understand the use for camo but i think your camo is better off without...grey is more unique! and to replace it with the green i think it would have been a too much german late war camo then... something i think would blow the fluff behind apart....
Viktor von Domm wrote:well i can understand the use for camo but i think your camo is better off without...grey is more unique! and to replace it with the green i think it would have been a too much german late war camo then... something i think would blow the fluff behind apart....
It's actually rather easy to make your own washes. Just go to a Walmart and buy a bottle of Applebarrel red paint, glop some into a jar, and put in water until you reach the consistency you want.
well if primed any would suffice, but i like the idea behin the total drench of a wash... stuffing the tank inside a big enough tupper wear and then let the wash do all the work... like dipping but with lighter stuff...
Anvildude, I do NOT support the destructive entity that is known as Wal-Mart. I will support a local paint store before I walk into one of those places. Wally-world as it is also known is much despised in America, except for some places where they have yet to wipe out the local economic zones they squat in.
Shrike, Ouch man, keep in mind that once the money comes from YOU< that times can be a tough decision! for me what can I buy for 3.75? a 12ml of paint, or milk and bread?
Vik, That was why I mentioned my fat tank brush! Plenty of area will get covered fast, then, with smaller brushes, the cracks between the plating!
yep calculation for such things i had too in my life... there were times when i had to scrunge up money with empty bottles to get somee toastbread and ketchup to eat (nothing more mind you) those days are thankfully over...but it is still in my mind so i count money before spending...
lol sometimes i wonder if you are a true american shaso... for your taste in comedy and now your despise in walmart you might get a treason offence... very un american of you^^
how wide ith this brush of yours? is it one for painting walls? doesn´t it suck up too much paint and doesn´t give it back?
which one of yours? how much did you get? and what good cause might that be? i dread the day that i have to do that too...tho i will never get around to make some nids ...it´s just not my style i guess...
Viktor von Domm wrote:which one of yours? how much did you get? and what good cause might that be? i dread the day that i have to do that too...tho i will never get around to make some nids ...it´s just not my style i guess...
My Fantasy Beastman Army sold for 160, and for the rent!
Well better to have a roof than a beastman i was thinking of selling off my scenery to make space for more , but the p&p would kill it , for most potential buyers i think.
The dirtying up of the perun is going well, are you going to add chipped paint before the wash ?
160 and the rent? well this is then at least something...but not a proper working strategy on long terms...if you start roibbing banks i could be of assistance?!?
Viktor von Domm wrote:you get paid for learning? how cool is that?^^
Well, it is left over money for help with expenses ,more like a stipend to help ease things, but they do hold it hostage a bi8t based on my passing or not!
shingouki wrote:Looking good to me,i like my vehicles to look like they've been in the field for a good while.
Well, I think with the Perun, I am getting there as far as out fighting for a good while.
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A couple more oddball tanks for you: Hobbylink Japan website has a couple of 1/48 sci--fi tanks from Aoshima models' "City police 21" rage (whatever that is?), a MBT and a Tank destroyer type thingy. I'd put up a link but forgot how to. They seem the right size for 40k, not quite super-heavy but nearly, although they're not covered in bolt heads/rivets or skulls. Prices about $25.
Others you may care to look at are Micro max diecasts, which do M113's, Hanomag with MBRL, and others in about 1/48 scale, each for about £5.
IG GENERAL wrote:A couple more oddball tanks for you: Hobbylink Japan website has a couple of 1/48 sci--fi tanks from Aoshima models' "City police 21" rage (whatever that is?), a MBT and a Tank destroyer type thingy. I'd put up a link but forgot how to. They seem the right size for 40k, not quite super-heavy but nearly, although they're not covered in bolt heads/rivets or skulls. Prices about $25.
Others you may care to look at are Micro max diecasts, which do M113's, Hanomag with MBRL, and others in about 1/48 scale, each for about £5.
I have and modified the Tank destroyer looking MBT-90D Mazurka, it was the last pic I placed above your post! ^^ I see that the MBT-99 Temjin is in stock now. Hmmm, like the double track set up.
As for this one: I moved the main gun into the turret and a Heavy bolter in the bow.
i am not sure about the design of the double track monster...what could be the point of having two tracks each sie? definatly not manouverablity...any lese reason for that?
I did see a diagram, they are independent suspension for them so while one is going down something, the other slightly grips the pothers side until ready to also hit that side. Strange, eh? It would also have a side benefit of still having some working tracks if one set get's shot out.
Possibly to aid in traversing more rough terrain with less general bounce and discomfort for the crew? No idea. Though i do think it looks pretty neat.
Now, how long did it take for your salt mixture to actually dry on the model. I am trying it out and so far its nearly been 36 hours and its still equally as wet as it was upon application. I may need to fine tune the mixture of salt and paint to try and remedy this. Though what is your experience with it?
Ah, I did mix with Graveyard Earth paint as well as a liberal application of salt. It dried within a scant few hours, but I did apply it is smallish amounts.
did see a diagram, they are independent suspension for them so while one is going down something, the other slightly grips the pothers side until ready to also hit that side. Strange, eh? It would also have a side benefit of still having some working tracks if one set get's shot out.
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Possibly to aid in traversing more rough terrain with less general bounce and discomfort for the crew?
tho without concern for crew and rather more concern into accouracy...
ok, I may have been too liberal in my application! I will try lessening the amount i slather on each application.
I used scorched brown and a bit of snakebite leather.
As soon as i have access to my camera again(I.E. the wife gives it back) I will be taking photos of the various mud effects i have been trying out. I think my one method came out quite well on my Scratchbuilt Truck.
True, Vik. Accuracy is more important! ahh, the crew can deal with a few concussions as long as they can AIM straight!
also i wonder why you don´t simply glue the salt or for that matter sand on the parts that you want muddy with pva... after that painting or drybrushing can happen...
sounds good, if you get the cam i would like to see comparrision pics for each methode... a how to do and what it likes guide so to speak...
also some basilikum herbs in the mix might look cool too...or not? for leaves?
Viktor von Domm wrote:i am not sure about the design of the double track monster...what could be the point of having two tracks each sie? definatly not manouverablity...any lese reason for that?
Hmm, the best advantage I can see is survivability. Maybe if the one of the tracks got shot off, it could still move at a decent enough speed on the other three.
hmmm... woulodn´t that mean einter that the tank would be in a cycle moving? or that the friction of the broken track would slow the tank considerably down...? my knowledge of tanks is rather limited...
Ah, well, the shot track would be slipped off most likely, and the wheels would sort of keep the tank up, and no0t tip over, allowing the other three track sections to keep it moving!
The other standardized tracks, well, once the tread is shot off, that usually leads to the one side sinking all of those wheels into the ground and pinning the tank and turning it into a pill-box.
cool videaos, i have too keep my eye open for some gundam movies it seems...was hard to find out for whom i should feel sympathy ...either the better tank crew or the mecha squad...was a close catch...the music of the first gave me goosebumps all over, love that kind of fully operatic rocky sound...
and didn´t in the second movie the tracks even selfrepaire?
personally from what i have seen in movies i would never want to fight in a tank... i think every tank crew member knows that the viehicle will be his steeled grave...
Oh, the series is for the other ideof the war in Gundam, but the mobility of the multiple treads was shown nicely, but in the end, when it went to robotic looks, the treads were too mangled by the mecha squad, (Those mechs were captured by the other side BTW)
Steel coffins for the tank crews, but they now make new system,s to make that less a worry.
would be fishy still for me... tho nothing strikes fear in the heart of a footslogger than a turning turret...and boy are they quick at that these days...
Viktor von Domm wrote:would be fishy still for me... tho nothing strikes fear in the heart of a footslogger than a turning turret...and boy are they quick at that these days...
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Yeah, charging cross country, 50-60kmph, laser tracking sights for quick lock on to destroy their targets.
Okay well, 40 or so MPH cross country, slinging mud from tracks and laser5 locking on targets, I have watched plenty of footage of that for the M-1 and the Leopard-2's
Wow, I feel so strange since I had not worked on the Perun or the Old Crow tanks in a while, but I am distracted by Math Cramming for the finals, that is my excuse, and I'm sticking to it!
nice mudeffects, and size alltogether looks cool and quite modern...but there seem to be some disturbing details... the smokelaunchers at the aft seem to be mounted downwards...??? would this work? also there is something odd about the sponsons... the door behind them is too much visible still...and to deal a further strike... the turret seems to look a bit as if hanging only by some threads... this connection should be flesshed out...is the paintjob complete or will only the new bitz be finished?
anyway i still think this design is cool...despite my critic! maybe you could shave off the aquilla above the sponsons...this might help...
at shaso...maths vs perun...odd choice in an oddbal tank thread^^
Yeah, Firecancewr has made some nice work, and Math versus Perun is a odd choice.
Perun got "bapotized" the last week in an Apoc game,,,before it was totally finished, and lasted till the last turn before being "wrecked" by those sneaky Eldar!
Sneaksy seer council on jetbikes and their lascannon powered attacks, in a way, I was hoping he would make Apocalyptic Explosion, just to see how much of his stuff would go up in smoke(He'd pretty much wiped out all I had there by then)
good or evil...how can we say that... they´re filthy heretical xenos... we purge them with holy prometheum ... that is all the mercy they can excpect from us...
@Vik: First off thank you for the kind words! Now to address the aft smoke Launchers. I plan on removing them. I think they look awful facing downwards. Though im waiting on some more plasticard to cover up the plastic underneath as it was plastic glued on, and is not so nice looking after removal.
The Sponsons: I agree that the door is too visable. though i am Not sure exactly how i am going to remedy this. Possibly taking the sponsons off and doing some plasticard work to bulk the model up and cover the doors. Though as i said that is going to have to wait. I made the sponsons out of my scrap bits of plastic.
Turret mount: The turret mount is still in need of a putty job because of the large gap between the turret ring and the main tank body. I may try to use up some more of my smaller scraps of plasticard to create a slope upwards to the turret ring. though i am not sure if i can with my scraps. Again, Waiting patiently for my order of plasticard.
I also feel that the sponson is mounted too far down on the body, like its almost scraping the ground. The aquila is the main culprit in that.
@Shaso: Durned Eldar Fairies!!! Need to go back to dancing and frolicking not destroying the beautiful Perun...
And again thank you very much for the kind words of compliment!!!
i am glad that my words didn´t insult you in any way...*phew* the model is such a cool idea that i tend to bluntly point out criticism as i want you to full reach what you can achieve with such a fine model! i thinki you have the right kind of plans for the doors and the turret and the sponsons could do with a good see to...i think there are some missmatching angles and i cant for now see it as a working weapon...there is something yellow inside? using scrap plastic is always good for me, so i can only encourage you to do so too.... have you considered using plastic from household items? these have sometimes great potential...sometimes it comes even with a structure to it... like waffeld or other...for steelwork i think great use...crossing fingers for your soon to be arrival of materials,
Yes, there is something yellow. Its half of a little tank, from a train scalel farm equipment model. I just cut it to size for the circular look that the inner working of the GW sponsons. it has yet to be painted in these photos.
As for household plastic, i have been using DVD cases for some plastic work. Though i find it difficult to get proper. Its very thick, and stubborn stuff. Otherwise i haven't tried too many other items.
have you looked into tupper ware? or for that matter i tend to find odd shaped bitz from foodpackaging...there is sometimes great stuff to be found there...
ah so ths is a good idea to use as a sponson mount! even if i cant see it now i can picture it quite good in my mind and think this might be a good way to use non gw stuff that has texture to it!
as for DVD cases or as i came to name them jewel cases... i think these would be exellent for terrain, specially orky ones...
only some poor minutes left... probably confused with date due to timeshift around the world...come tomorrow morning...well after i wake up we will be on our way...
Not Odd Balls, but Oddballs the tank designs you would not see all of the time in the game. The odd tanks that few people have dared to make themselves, or the kits out there like from Old Crow, or now closing down DLD that made all kinds of tanks and vehicles of the abnormal kind!I might even take time today at some point to add decals to the Perun and start to splash oily black and devlan mud washes all over it as well!
Okay, finally added decals to the Perun, I will scratch these up some and likely have to paint exposed metal for age and battle damage, but here we go.
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whot???? i am back again and what do i get here at one of me favorite threads? do i get me a backlog 30 something pages to oggle at??? no sir...i am back and i am not amused...well i am back and amusment can happen now without further delay....commence at one^^
Theis is not so much an oddball tank photo, though i think here would be the best place to post this up!!
Here is the Current armored might of the Prassium Army Group!!!
ShadowSword, StormLord, Leman Russ Vanquisher(custom turret), Counts as Leman Russ Battle Tank, Custom Atlus Recovery Tank, Custom IMC Truck, and my scratch Built Chimera!
all these ddball tanks make me regret not taking pics of my old tanks:
a rhino with meltagun damage, bioacid damage, 40+ bullet holes, shrapnel embedded, guy leaning out of side hatch carrying a sniper screaming, and a dud demolisher cannon shell wedged in the front.
vindicator with ork clambering up the dozer blade shoving a melon into the demolisher cannon and an undetonated ork landmine stuck to the back,
a leman russ with an ork poking it's head up out of a slightly ajar ventilation hatch.
the problem with the decals as i see it is that they leave a spot of shiny surface everytime the are aplied...is this effect noticably in RL too? the flash really brings that up quite bothering...have you dullcoat or something on that line? if not i would suggest getting a bit of the color of what is underneath and just smear it over the decal and then quickly sponge it off...thus dulling the decall in the right color and still beeing in line of the model...
the perun has had to see so much action...it is battered beyond anything i´ve seen now^^ only the most senior crews could handle and take care of that beast in the right way!
if possible i would love to see the perun in bright daylight...out in the open nature...that would be a nice pic! and it would show me the natural state of your paintjob so much better...
well, congratz anyway^^ a win is a win, is a win^^
and yay for sunlight^^
True! it is finally over!
Yep, new pics in a few hours, gotta let the sun get to the right spot.
shrike wrote:Nice work, though I fear the mud on the tracks stop to evenly on top- caked on the track but nearly none on the hull it's next to.
I was running low the salt actually is nice, but starts to dry the paint in the pallette faster! I had to go and get more, so maybe more mud before i affix the grime washes.
i guess my heart would be all around the place if my creation would be balanced that high above and on such a small surface...
the sun really did great for your perun, he looks suitable epic for me! have you considered using on some places a bit of glossy varnish on the mud? to show some wetter areas? not a must... just a thought...
and lol your grey looks stil blueish to me^^ even the sun is one of a mind with me^^
from what i see the scratches on the top of the sponsons are the best... they look so brutal to me...that must have really hurt in the ears when all that scatching and skreetiching had happened^^
seeing the perun now in full shining daylights one has to wonder what else there is still to do on it? i think it is done completley? so me thinks? will this mean the end of this thread or is there a new tank project looming around (well despite all the old crow tankies^^)? guess your major concentration will now flow into the bomma?
on a closing note: exellent stuff! and i am not overdoing it for a friend here^^
Add in my tendency for Vertigo and I was very nervous indeed!
I have considered glossing up the mud, but "Water effects" may work that better. Yeah, that blue gray sure does show off the blueness aspect a lot. Like a kind of slate or shale.
When sliding them in for transport., the crews wear ear baffles headsets.
Oh, the grime washes are next! Then pics of recent work on the Old Crow minis are also in line along with the fighta-bomma.
don´t know if i showed that here too, but for small areas on a tight budget i would suggest clear window color...the stuff you see on window panes in schools and kindergartens...or possibly where kids live...for the purpose this is dead cheap and you can aply it very acuratly... also it has a structure to it that i used for a watery muddy effect myself...to my shame i never again did it and ruined the base due to overwashing the parts... effecivly covering the whole shiny part thus...and to top it i never did a good pic... but in good time i show that effect on other bases!
vertigo....i am not afraid of heights... more of as i seldom float around but when i see depths then i am terrified...we tried to climb a church tower in the holidays... well after the first flight i had to crawl back to the ground... so my wife had to look after three kids at the top...then the bells start yelling and my kids got panicky... vertigo is such a lame thing to be having...darn...
Viktor von Domm wrote:don´t know if i showed that here too, but for small areas on a tight budget i would suggest clear window color...the stuff you see on window panes in schools and kindergartens...or possibly where kids live...for the purpose this is dead cheap and you can aply it very acuratly... also it has a structure to it that i used for a watery muddy effect myself...to my shame i never again did it and ruined the base due to overwashing the parts... effecivly covering the whole shiny part thus...and to top it i never did a good pic... but in good time i show that effect on other bases!
vertigo....i am not afraid of heights... more of as i seldom float around but when i see depths then i am terrified...we tried to climb a church tower in the holidays... well after the first flight i had to crawl back to the ground... so my wife had to look after three kids at the top...then the bells start yelling and my kids got panicky... vertigo is such a lame thing to be having...darn...
Understood, is why I wish i had it.
Ah yes, I worked on conquering it years ago, I climbed the steeple of the Ulmer Muenster.
Anvildude wrote:Why did you not paint the, what was it, aquilla? No. The Winged Skull thing on the front, in a metallic, or red and bone colors?
I have just now painted them Tin bitz covered in shining gold.
ulmer muenster...that sounds like many flights...would probably be a journey without me...on another scene we climed on a lookout tower in a leisure garden^^ well i did acompany my children and wehn moving again downstairs i had to hold hands with my felix (5) as he wanted that.... i climbed the steps to get above holding both handrails...so then i had only one hand on the rails and i chatted with him to get my mind on something else...it kinda worked...and it´s one of those things we do for the kids...*shudders*
Viktor von Domm wrote:i´ve meant that your vertigo was caused too be your tremendous work^^ besides the positioning of the perun^^
LOL!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Well, I have been putting Badab Black wash into seams between plates, and gilded the Aquilla symbols on the perun.
Now to snap some pictures before the devlan mud wash all over!
Now for more gilded Aquillas.
Dragoon! Still more touch up work to do, and then decals and dirtying.
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Head on, now you can see more details have been painted.Blue=spotlight, Red=targeter, Green=Return/receiver, Black with yellow dot=Missile launcher. Gl;ass now has streaks on windshield.
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Head on, Turret Missile launcher showing Krak and Frag warheads, spotlight and laser designators and target aquisition systems.
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I like it. You might want to darken the outer areas of the blue spots and lighten the inner area of the blue spots. It gives the peice a little more depth, and it adds a little realism. But it looks like a really good start.
I am using lightning blue for the inner areas, but the camera doesn't seem to catch that inner lighter color. It is over a spot of Privateer Arcane blue. I may have to retry by using a base of a darker blue.
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The MBT-90D is marginally slimmer than the T-104, and you can see the "ambusher" camo covers as opposed to the simpler camo net on the T-104.
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The MBT-90D can hide behind a T-104 though.
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Over all, the MBT-90D as a sniper is tighter quarters to the roomy T-104.
Automatically Appended Next Post: The MBT-90D is smaller in every respect to the T-104, and it serves a different purpose, as the Sabre is meant for general combat and the 90 is a sniper, ambush tank or scoot and shoot depending upon the tactics of the tanker crews manning it.
very nice and useful comparrision shots right there! i think you should email the various companies your threads so that they could use it as a refference^^
i like the way you do your spots and lights, on the sabre this looks very clean and bright! and the window panes you done look also very cool!
Hmmm, not sure if Aoshima would be so concerned, but Old Crow may like to see it! I should drop Jez a e-mail with a linky. I am also considering ordering his 4 and 6 wheeled cars for substitute Elysian attack buggies!
well this might be worth a shot then... maybe you get a short recount even? and i see why aoshima would be interrested... at least you chopped their preciouss up^^
Automatically Appended Next Post: Well, as for Aoshima, they did make a tank kit based off a vehicle that could never operate rightly in open battle terrain, just urbanized areas
yup seems a good match for both and tho you still have to buy turrets comparing the prices you most likley will be in for a 2:1 ratio FW to OC...i call that a bloddy bargain^^
Goanna with turret at a total of 12pounds each vs Venator's cost of 34.70 Means I still come out ahead buying two Goannas and their turrets. 24lbs vs 34.70, that is a 10.70pound savings!
The Gecko, and turret are 11pounds each and two of those would be cheaper than 30.60 for the single Tauros. 22pounds versus 30.60pounds, 8.60 shaved off!
Getting four attack buggies for less then the cost of the other two! Like a small nation, I have to look at price for such things compared to the more expensive equipment of the other guys.
Like while US stuff would be nice to arm one';s nation with for defense, I can see Russian equipment at the same effetiveness at half the costs!
what i said, and if you still have leftover bits or are willing to scratchbuilt certain weapons like the lascanons... whick is doable...then you are even more in to a bargain...and the flamer on the tauros would also be nice to be seen done by yours truly^^
Viktor von Domm wrote:what i said, and if you still have leftover bits or are willing to scratchbuilt certain weapons like the lascanons... whick is doable...then you are even more in to a bargain...and the flamer on the tauros would also be nice to be seen done by yours truly^^
LOL! I do actually have a leftover IG heavy flamer from a sentinel kit waiting to be used!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Tauros can also use a grenade thumper gun, I have leftover barrels for that as well, but with Old Crow servo turrets, it would be adaptable as well!
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Automatically Appended Next Post: Just saw that this is 3/75pounds in cost for both turrets, making the Gecko paired at 14+3.75, a neat bargain package!
Automatically Appended Next Post: This way, I can havge a Heavy Flamer AND GL version!
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like the thumper idea! belts always look that way much more serious to a weapon!
and tho i see your point and the reasoning behind the money the turret system is a bit to feeble for me...maybe order it and built up from there that might be the winning ticket^^
if i am not too dizzy then i remember that i once at least saw a pattern of such a vehicle for papercraft...i might even had it downloaded...umm...but i remember for definite that i have a hummvee
so do you plan them turrets to be too cloesed....that would be a good chioce to not break up the overall look of the cars...makes it more out of one workroom looking...
Viktor von Domm wrote:so do you plan them turrets to be too cloesed....that would be a good chioce to not break up the overall look of the cars...makes it more out of one workroom looking...
Yep! Servitor turrets instead of the open manned style, just like the Lancers and claymores and dragoons!
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I have given a wash of the Perun, so now it is at the last stage of grime.
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I have also gotten closer to done with the three Old crows I have started working on in earnest.
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i more and more like the sabre... i think he fully deserves to look smoother and neater than other tanks... somehow this would seem apropriate for that design...
the glowing lamp under flash made me lol^^
besides... when will you test the luck of your perun in an epic fight? crew must be way itchy for a bit of rollin` and rockin` ^^
seeing the comparrision shot of the geckos... the one is with an open compartment... will you order two of this built and leave one open? might be a nice difference between two same built models then...
Both the OC Sabres and the Perun have shown that they can last! the Apocalytpse fight they were in the sabres lasted until tun 4, the Perun until turn 5 the last turn before it was wrecked. Considering what the Eldar can do to tanks in so many ways, I would say that they have shown themselves well and firmly set for future uses
Automatically Appended Next Post: The pick up style Gecko will have a man with a heavy weapon of some sort on it, likely a Heavy stubber?
Well, I actually have leftover crew and MG's from when i converted my Orca walkers into stubby sentinels, so that is a major possibility!
For now, i must dirty down the OC tanks I showed off.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Well, got some tin bitz smeared thinly to simulate rust, but then the Graveyard Earth for muddiness mostly covered it. Back ramp of Dragoon 379
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slight angle change, but that ramp get's more smudge in the mud!
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Head on!quite the amount of sticky mud and dirt eh?
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Automatically Appended Next Post: I may have to apply some more to the front and have it sloshed over the upper surface facing, that way it will look as if it had forded a muddied up river, after others crossed of course!
I was going for the Fast vehicle shaking the yuck off, but leaving something behind, I have seen our own trucks get that "patina" of dirt, smoothed out when driven at full speed, but I may add salt into the stuff for the tracks
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Automatically Appended Next Post: The hose alone did not get that off, this will take a pressure wash and brushes!
you dirty sabre^^....you could always name your guys emperors grime^^ or grime of the emperor...tho the last one would be even more misleading^^ *sniggers*
I think the tops are a bit too clean. Any environment where they'd get that sort of overall muddy look on the bottom would probably splash bits of mud all up in the air to come back down on the tops of the tanks. Maybe stipple some brown onto the top? Not much, just a few flicks, but something to break the two-sidedness of the dirt.
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Anvildude wrote:I think the tops are a bit too clean. Any environment where they'd get that sort of overall muddy look on the bottom would probably splash bits of mud all up in the air to come back down on the tops of the tanks. Maybe stipple some brown onto the top? Not much, just a few flicks, but something to break the two-sidedness of the dirt.
wouldn´t know nowadays what to do when run out on devlan or badab black either way...these are so valuable a paints to my cause...sabre looks very good now grimey washed all over! got me the other day an orange wash i am eager to test^^ one of the old ones with a green cap on top^^
Have you thought of splattering some darker brown color throughout the mud effect you have already done. To give some depth since you have no sand/salt/flour to give it texture? I like the look after the washes particularly on the Sabre!
On the note of mud chunks splattering on Top of the tanks... Hmm... I may try using a large soft bristled brush and doing a little splatter upwards with the brush loaded with paint. Just to see if that would create some kind of desirable effect.
And vik i haven't forgotten about doing a mud effect guide. I am just waiting on finishing my chimera build and doing another type of muddying!
@sonofruss: www.OldCrowModels.co.uk is the company that makes the models that Shaso has there. the Dragoon, the Sabre and claymore vehicles. Old Crow makes some great looking models, and they are pretty cheap by comparison to some of the GW products. Not sure how much the shipping is to us in the USA.
and i like your idea if adding a second darker brown type of paint to make it look less uneven...that could add lots of realism with rather low effort....
I am using 1:35th scale WWII M3A2 Halftracks in my Traitor Guard as open topped Chimeras, picked up 4 for $80 a few months ago will post pics later. Here is my USMC Striker/Command Striker with Plague Marines, my Renagades force is great as I start painting up more IFV's for them.
i have to say there is a nasty twist in all that eager helpfullness around dakka...sometimes when providing new and helpfull and revealing links to friends it is a bit like spreading ones own misery....that
will take me ages to look through... all that drooling that i will be having and then realising that a bank robbery might be needed doing for getting me that stuff....oh the suffering....
to tell you the truth i made a comment on my wifes laptop but then the IE kicked me outa dakka and i didn´t want to do it again...darn... now i have to^^
so here it goes:
i remember driving with a fellow recruit and our monster of a sarge in one of these MAN 5t trucks through a fiering range... the terrain mostly very unneven and even with hills... on our platform there were another bunch of 5+ recruits holing on for their dear lives...and our sarge laughing like a mad igor from fraankenstein movie...it was all i could do to not wet my pants then... i bet the guys on the platform had grown a bunch of grey hairs too....
and to make the thing even worse ater the supposedly "fun" time having driving like a crazed monkey through rough terrain... guess who had to clean up the mess afterwards...yeah hell don´t even think about saying the sarge...
Viktor von Domm wrote:to tell you the truth i made a comment on my wifes laptop but then the IE kicked me outa dakka and i didn´t want to do it again...darn... now i have to^^
so here it goes:
i remember driving with a fellow recruit and our monster of a sarge in one of these MAN 5t trucks through a fiering range... the terrain mostly very unneven and even with hills... on our platform there were another bunch of 5+ recruits holing on for their dear lives...and our sarge laughing like a mad igor from fraankenstein movie...it was all i could do to not wet my pants then... i bet the guys on the platform had grown a bunch of grey hairs too....
and to make the thing even worse ater the supposedly "fun" time having driving like a crazed monkey through rough terrain... guess who had to clean up the mess afterwards...yeah hell don´t even think about saying the sarge...
Ah, either the ole bucket and brush, or pressure washer eh? So, it is a bit to make the tanks look "dirty" I can how the one approach I used is close to the one with the Leopard chassis, i may look into doing one like the MAN truck below it, especially the smaller ones If I can get them like the gecko and goanna!
if you must know i served in the bundeswehr.... a highly advanced military unit that provided a brush for every soldier...and we got every time reminded to take good care of our brushes...cuase a new recruit would be easy to order.... new brushes don´t grow on trees...you know...?
on a serious note...that leo chassis is your current modus operandi when it comes to muddying up vehicles...would be cool to see the geckos and goanna done up in the MAN fashion...the windowpanes specially...argueing that those way smaller vehicles tend to be very fast under way and thus have more time to collect lots of more dirt^^ (i know theory is flawed but well... kill me^^)
Viktor von Domm wrote:if you must know i served in the bundeswehr.... a highly advanced military unit that provided a brush for every soldier...and we got every time reminded to take good care of our brushes...cuase a new recruit would be easy to order.... new brushes don´t grow on trees...you know...?
on a serious note...that leo chassis is your current modus operandi when it comes to muddying up vehicles...would be cool to see the geckos and goanna done up in the MAN fashion...the windowpanes specially...argueing that those way smaller vehicles tend to be very fast under way and thus have more time to collect lots of more dirt^^ (i know theory is flawed but well... kill me^^)
LOL! I know about the Bundeswehr, we were always kind of jealous s we saw your guys with full hair while we had to get haircuts every time it went past 3"!
Yeah, makes sense for the big girls to go and be lass muddied than the little ones as the little ones are small enough to get a good coating! shorter, and speeding makes for some plumes of muck to splash all over!
The Geckos and Goannas will be more like the MAN trucks as they are not even 5ton trucks and are all terrain types, and those always get a good dose of mud!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Then of course making the windshield wiper effect as well will be interesting!
Automatically Appended Next Post: I lost a rubber overboot to German mud, the greenish gray mud.
i´ve done weathering with said battlefoam and foam from blisters too... works quite good.
have you already ordered the goanna and geckos? i am now eager to see them in your hand^^
and when i was recruited some 16 years ago i even went with really long hair... figuring i got a free shave then by military^^ none such luck...instead my sarge... the one i mentioned before...he went wild on me, yelling and foaming how i could insult the good and decent bundeswehr with such a haircut or rather lack of...so he ordered me to go to the city then and have it cut on my own expenses... and guess what next day i had to go anew as he still didn´t liked it...what a jerk...but he was such a bulking animal of a guy you wouldn´t have dared speaking against him...
yep he was around 2meters high and a hulk... and he had teeth like a boar... no kidding...and to make it even more funnier... he once told us when we were all geared up and true made soldiers (as true as you can be in peacetimes) that he had learned to be a beekeeper^^ but then decided to become a soldier...for the most part we were terrified... but after some months we knew his bark was worse than his bite and we could relax a bit... then one day in our hall for all our vehicles a key broke and he opened the big!! gate with a fireaxe!!! you have to imagine a halforc with a big axe and he is grinning as if he already ate some of us and he says the lines: "i was born for violence..." he must have enjoyed himself and the look on our faces immensly...
Viktor von Domm wrote:yep he was around 2meters high and a hulk... and he had teeth like a boar... no kidding...and to make it even more funnier... he once told us when we were all geared up and true made soldiers (as true as you can be in peacetimes) that he had learned to be a beekeeper^^ but then decided to become a soldier...for the most part we were terrified... but after some months we knew his bark was worse than his bite and we could relax a bit... then one day in our hall for all our vehicles a key broke and he opened the big!! gate with a fireaxe!!! you have to imagine a halforc with a big axe and he is grinning as if he already ate some of us and he says the lines: "i was born for violence..." he must have enjoyed himself and the look on our faces immensly...
He probably would have been happy back in WWI.
Now I am basically just painting the vehicle commanders and starting to catch up on the other sabre, dragoon, and a lancer!
hmmm so we can expect some nice pics soon^^ and about my ol sarge... guess he would be perfect in a trenchwar...and hopefully some other sod would have been better even^^
Yeah, a darker more simple uniform, with a lighter gray dry-brushed over it, one could say that command did not see the need for the camo patterns of the infantry being needed for the tank divisions, so, they get a more specialized uniform to denote their status.
Yes, the the halftrack known as the the "Shaky Eighty", infamous for the roughest of rides, even on smooth pavement! so in honor of it, the crews snuck in that bit on the left side. The Aquilla is damaged paint due to it being the exit ramp of the vehicle.
Now for more decal fun! The Lancer BMP-80
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i think the jerrycans bounds need a touchup...there seems to be a tad green where your blueish grey should be...
other than that a very crisp tanky^^ and what had you done to the commander from OC of that sabre? the one sporting on the top is clearly a GW mini...or not? i see an aquilla on his chest...
Viktor von Domm wrote:i think the jerrycans bounds need a touchup...there seems to be a tad green where your blueish grey should be...
other than that a very crisp tanky^^ and what had you done to the commander from OC of that sabre? the one sporting on the top is clearly a GW mini...or not? i see an aquilla on his chest...
Well, still plenty to do before the mud and grime hits it!
Oh, I am saving hiom for a different tank, and I needed to show compatibility with the minis.
The two closest designs in performance and carry capacity(12 men) are the "Chimera" aka B.M.D.-80 and the newer design "Lancer" aka B.M.P.-80. Both carry up to 12 soldiers, both are amphibious, there the similarity ends. The BMD-80 is slightly taller by about 1-2 feet depending upon variants and equipment attached than the BMP-80. One can also see that the BMP-80 has a wider track design, making it able to exchange parts with the T-104 Sabre as they share the same track shoes and wheels. The BMD-80 shares those similar feature with the T-100 Leman Russ models. Another difference is tha the heavy bolter is on the bow plat of the BMD-80 whereas the new servo turret of the BMP-80 is housing both the heavy bolter and Multi-laser. See pics below.
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One other similarity shared is an off-center location for the Turrets. Both are off t0o the right side of center on each design, but there is more deck sspace showed on the BMP-80
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Oddly enough, these different vehicles can indeed shield each other as the height difference is of little consequence. The commander of the BMD however can sit atop the vehicle and see what is around the area while the commander of the BMP-80 would use the sensoria in the servo turret to stay safely away from being a sniper's target unlike the BMD-80's commander.
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Though shorter in length than the BMP-80, the BMD-80 still hides the low slung BMP-80 well enough as seen below.
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Due to the design layout for the crew, turret systems and passenger and engine/transmission, the BMP-80 is overall a larger vehicle than the BMD-80. The BMP-80 is almost 2 meters longer than the BMD-80! While the transmission is in front of the engine, to the right of the driver, and in front of the turret/commander, the turret's placement also makes the passenger compartment "L" shaped while the BMD-80 is using a simpler "box" shaped passenger compartment
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Here, we see where the BMP-80 is wider than the BMD-80, nearly a full meter wider, this makes the BMP-80 a more "open country" and "expanded urban area" machine than the BMD-80 which is still wider than the BTR-90"Claymore" and BRDM-66 "Dragoon"
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Final image was set up to show the front differences between both machines, the BMD-80 on the right shows driver on the right side, and Heavy-Boltgun on the left side of the "Chimera", whilst the BMP-80 has the driver seated on the left side and the engine is to the right. Another note, while both APC's have turrets mounted slight to the right of center, the "Chimera" has it's turret mounted more to the front end of the hull, and the "Lancer" has it's turret further back and more midway between front and back due to the inverted "C" shape of Engine/Driver/Passenger compartments.
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It can also be noted that from above that the turret on "Lancer" is a larger design than that on the "Chimera" as it is housing both main weapons+sensori/augruies and support sysems, the BMD-80 has just the command cupola and weapon(Heavy bolter in this case with the Comms outside the turret. The Comms on the "BMP-80 are internally stored. This "all inside the armor" approach to the "Lancer" has brought it the nickname "Turtle" although it is meant to keep up with the "Sabre" class Fast-Tank, also having been built with the "fast" quality.
On the side skirts especially, you can see how the flick brushing as a bas, followed by stipling effects changes the look of the mud and gives texture.It also gave me a thicker mud flow effect, it also makes it look less "brushed-on"
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palehorse wrote:Dld productions....i think they went under.shame.
Hi Palehorse, yeah, they seem to be cooling off for a while, the 8-wheel looks great! If they had stayed open for making them, these would also have been in my collection as well.Still have Old Crow and the conversion kits from Chapterhouse to make wheeled transports.
palehorse wrote:Dld productions....i think they went under.shame.
Hi Palehorse, yeah, they seem to be cooling off for a while, the 8-wheel looks great! If they had stayed open for making them, these would also have been in my collection as well.Still have Old Crow and the conversion kits from Chapterhouse to make wheeled transports.
It really is a bummer about dld.Like you said old crow and the chapterhouse kits are cool as well.In reality i can't wait to get my hands on the chapter house kit!!I have two chimeras ready and waiting.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Thanks for adding me new friend!!!
Not a tank but it has armor!
palehorse wrote:I don't play these days but the combat trucks could count as sentinel or a salamander?
Been mostly busy painting the tanks myself, occasional games, but yeah, i can see them as either qa Salamander or sentinel stand in, with that many weapons, definite a Salamander recon vehicle, fast and well armed.
40k Ninja wrote:Interesting camo idea for the tanks.
Hello 40k Ninja, I explained the concept very early on in the thread, but that was quite some time ago, basically, the camo reflects the Highland Tundras opf the majority of Khadrovian Konfederacy planets, these are tanks and troops from a bleak and harsh environment, and their camo reflects this.
palehorse wrote:Your tanks have a very neo-nato look!
Hail the new world order!
I'm really diggingon the old crow armor you have!
Once I have the cash flow agian, I intend to order more Old Crow vehicles Like the earlier stated Geckos, Goanna, and likely other vehicles for certain duties, and even support, Like their Tracked utility vehicle
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Haven't seen more than a woodland pattern on them
Ahem, Citizen, please check yourself into the nearest re-education center, you will have 6hours to comply or you will be detained and taken there by the thought police!
Other projects for my Army
=APC
=Trojan
- Tauros Venetor
=Centaur
=Tauros Venetor
=Tauros
= Tauros
= Salamander
=Salamander/Centaur(based on size)
And gotta have supply trucks -Trojan Lite
and Troop transports =self expalnatory.,
with armaments of course!
And for Lancers hulls, maybe some more of them so i can use this:
whoa....missed really much here... your marketing description is at it´s best...as usual... if i recall corectly no one has done that before^^ what it now needs is some combat action footage vids...to really boost the sales^^
and concerning your future ideas of orders from OC...wouldn´t it be easier to just say what you are not inclined to order?^^
also seeing how you tested new methods of mudaplication...i like the siongled out patches of mud that are beyond the average mudline on the sabre... this makes it quite realistic looking...tho i have to say for the seam of the mudline is still think a sponge or foam from blisters would give a nice touch...
Viktor von Domm wrote:whoa....missed really much here... your marketing description is at it´s best...as usual... if i recall corectly no one has done that before^^ what it now needs is some combat action footage vids...to really boost the sales^^
and concerning your future ideas of orders from OC...wouldn´t it be easier to just say what you are not inclined to order?^^
also seeing how you tested new methods of mudaplication...i like the siongled out patches of mud that are beyond the average mudline on the sabre... this makes it quite realistic looking...tho i have to say for the seam of the mudline is still think a sponge or foam from blisters would give a nice touch...
cheers, vik
See what happens when you let a tick bite you? You missed a lot!
Thanks, really did put plenty of thought into that fluffy sales pitch. Made the Lancer seem awesome sauce! Now to test it and it's revved out engines.
There were so few things I could pass up from OC!^^
Yeah, the second stipled effect really makes it look a bit more mucky, and well, the sponge doesn't allow as much for the plopped on look I was after, especially flung about at high speed like I was after.
Welcome back, take it slow and easy, work off that Lyme's disease.
yep these OC stuff is top shelf^^ if i had some money for these things...would these support tanks and trucks be usable in a game or would you just paint them up for the sake of having them?
Some I can make fit, the Pioneer and other crane tank do have actual Forgeworld analogy, the Chimera chgassis "Trojan" all purpose recovery/cargo/ammo and tow vehicle
P.S. I amended the pics above to show how they could be used.
Viktor von Domm wrote:can´t have the big and punchy khardovian army come unarmed...now can we?^^
Exactly! even the supply trucks will get guns to fight with! At this rate, I may have an entire armored corps of about 100vehicles if this all goes as planned.
but what possible player would have a matching force...and what kind of force...can´t imagine a tua player or any other player ammasing such a force than an IG player...with IG´s it wont get borring to have masses of pieces on the table... for my taste such a big force for a eldar or tau i would get bored over and over again to do the same models...but IG have plenty of third parties to get new models from...
watched me an episode of quark the other minute... hillarious to say the least^^
The mud is looking pretty good so far!!! I like it. Though i think you need to make it look a little more realistic.
Try out some Dark brown brushed onto the lower areas of the chassis and armor plates. To try and give it a Slightly wetter look at the bottom. Though they look good, I think touching it up will make it stand out so much better.
As for the OC model with the big arm! I WANT!!! I am planning on picking up one or two of these for Counts as Atlus Support tanks! I have my custom Atlus to be used as a Super Heavy Tow, And these will be for my Russ's, Chimeras, etc.
I need to buy about 700 Guardsman still... Wallet Cries... I Cry... not because of the money. but the Countless hours of painting... Hah
700 guardsman??? holy emperor....sounds like you want to make a home brewn empire by yourself...i will be looking out for any big time revolutions in the media^^
@Firecancer, I may have to mix the Graveyard earth with a darker brown to get that "wet look you speak of, but I have yet to devlan mud wash the tanks, it does make some changes as is, a heavier wash at the bottom may do the trick as well.
@Vik. I have a huge amount of Tau many vehicles and suits, I have yet to get them out and snap pics to show Dakka-ites as yet, I even have a 8man squad of SST for my Gue'vessa squad.
Yeah that many troopers, I have WGF Great coats/Cadians/Valhallans/Vostryoans/Kasrkin/Bauhaus/Catachan minis for my IG regiments, no boredom so far, and I am planning on getting some more soldiers from Bolt Action, WW-II Russians/Italian airborne/Polish cavalry/etc. BUT with Dust now making so many new minis for my use, Hmmmm.
@Deathshead420, Nice! light tank chassis in 1/35th scale work so well as WH40K tanks! That Hetzer makes a nice version of Devastator for the Marines. with plastic-card and the right bits, you can make a siege shield for that baby.
Somewhere i read about using model masters acryl and sand and brown foundation paint makes a awesome mud, has texture and weight to it. I'll look and see if i can find the post, just not sure which 40k site i read it on.
Deathshead420 wrote:Somewhere i read about using model masters acryl and sand and brown foundation paint makes a awesome mud, has texture and weight to it. I'll look and see if i can find the post, just not sure which 40k site i read it on.
That would be cool, I have pics to post soon with the mudwash added, it has made the camo and the mud all look really really filthy!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Meanwhile, I have new uniform for the crews of all armored vehicles, here are the most dramatic departures, but they work I think, first pic apparently the flash mis-timed. Base=Adeptus Battle gray, with dry brush of Codex gray, pipping is gore red, and the rest is easy. Collars are also red as well as epalettes.
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Shakey 80 is also filthy 80 as you can see from these pics!
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that multitextured and multicolored mud now is really good looking... mudbacked and even soaked in places!
the shaky 80 looks really good!
the officer uniforms i really like, they look really official and it fits their position in the ranks quite good and still sets them apart from the maintroops!
concerning your hetzer deathshade, i would recommend to you that you flesh out the barrel of that mortar a bit more and get the barrel to look not so real life metallike...it thus looks a bit too much off...otherwise a nice tank that suits the marines or a guard regiment quite well!
Viktor von Domm wrote:that multitextured and multicolored mud now is really good looking... mudbacked and even soaked in places!
the shaky 80 looks really good!
the officer uniforms i really like, they look really official and it fits their position in the ranks quite good and still sets them apart from the maintroops!
vik
Glad the mud is having good effect.
Yeah, they had to have some sense of Esprite de Corps!
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Sorry for the blur, this was taken with no lights on, and the camera won;t focus under those conditions, but this is more for the colors.
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palehorse wrote:Your tanks have a very neo-nato look!
Hail the new world order!
I'm really diggingon the old crow armor you have!
Once I have the cash flow agian, I intend to order more Old Crow vehicles Like the earlier stated Geckos, Goanna, and likely other vehicles for certain duties, and even support, Like their Tracked utility vehicle
=Trojan
Haven't seen more than a woodland pattern on them
Ahem, Citizen, please check yourself into the nearest re-education center, you will have 6hours to comply or you will be detained and taken there by the thought police!
You know about the nwo!!!!!!!!!!!!Its nice to meet other people awake!
This is my russ recovery unit.Wip.
Other projects for my Army
=APC
=Trojan
- Tauros Venetor
=Centaur
=Tauros Venetor
=Tauros
= Tauros
= Salamander
=Salamander/Centaur(based on size)
And gotta have supply trucks -Trojan Lite
and Troop transports =self expalnatory.,
with armaments of course!
And for Lancers hulls, maybe some more of them so i can use this:
Nicely battered policeman Russ tank you got there.
Oh I just love these resins, the are heavier than a plastic, but well, you see how they look once done and painted. If you do order, don;t forget to mention that Lenzabi@Yahoo.com got you into them! I think that Jez would be okay with that.
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the wash yet again changed the look of the tank completly! it now really looks multitextured and like old and fresh new mud...almost as if you could hear the slurpy sounds of the mud making when the sabre is standing still...the shaky 80 looks also very dirty ...in a good way^^ it is litterally a trick of the eye to compare the fresh assembled model to the nearly finished one...
Viktor von Domm wrote:the wash yet again changed the look of the tank completly! it now really looks multitextured and like old and fresh new mud...almost as if you could hear the slurpy sounds of the mud making when the sabre is standing still...the shaky 80 looks also very dirty ...in a good way^^ it is litterally a trick of the eye to compare the fresh assembled model to the nearly finished one...
Thanks, I have also given the approach to a Chimera and will have pics of that up soon, as well as a fresh re-working of the MBT-90D
Yes, from that pristine clean whitish coloration to camo and mud-grime!
Well, it does eat up a lot of the Devlan Mud Wash, I am almost out of the fresh batch I bought! (GW and their tiny pots at 3.75 a pot!) But yes, one pot can pretty much wash a four to five tanks at most in this manner.Almost ready to load up the fresh pics!
have you considered moving to woodstain? the substance some peeps here use for dipping? you could aply it with a brush and the stains it leaves could work in your business... and it comes way cheaper...
Hmm, woodstain, yeah, that could do a platoon of tanks or two! And likely the same price as the one little GW pot! Army Painter's Dip wash is like 34dollars, but for 3-4 dollars I could have a 4ounce can of stain!
i think the dozerbalde could do well with some scratches next...and when looking at the chimeras trackssystem i think the fron looks a bit to clean in the peaks...do you know what i mean?
concerning the woodstain...one thing is fer sure, the devlan mud surley kicks the fresh painted tank into the age of used tanks in one go^^ i think in the end i too will give a cheap woodstain a go to see what can be achieved by a very low priced good...i have seen some nice models done that way... never but tanks...so you could be doing field research by this^^
I have been contemplating metal showing on the dozer blade in "scratches" Not sure what you mean the peaks? The flash may make it seem that way, but in normal lighting, in front of me she seems dirty enough Or should more "mud" have fallen off the treads to smudge the upper areas?
In the meantime, here is the MBT-90D all dirtied up to the new levels!
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Or should more "mud" have fallen off the treads to smudge the upper areas?
that! with peaks i meant the front triangled parts of the tracksystem each...i would expect a tad more mud to reach that height there...like when seen from the side of the tank it would be a giant mud smiley^^
Automatically Appended Next Post: Looking at what i want to add next to my Oddball collection, it looks too clean, like a show room model I want to grime and mud it all up! MBT-99A "Temtzin"
the new tank looks a bit like the japanese one i seem always to forget the name of^^... mainly the turret and the barrel of the maingun reminds me of your conversion...
Viktor von Domm wrote:cool scratches! yep these look the part!
Had to get that construction zone feel to it! what do you think of the new target for acquisition? All I need is the cash flow and I will get 'em! two of those I think.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Interior
Automatically Appended Next Post: Exterior, just needs some pilots in the seats
Automatically Appended Next Post: With Oddballs like this and others mixed with Old Crow, My army is gonna be amazingly equipped!
it is a very cool looking and hightech model...is the scale right for 40k? the seats in the turret look a tad smallish? or is it just the pics? where is the model from?
That tank is the sister tank to the MBT-90D that i converted. the seats will take sentinel pilots! 1/48 scale is usable for 40K so I will have it as a Vanquisher, like the Mazurka(MBT-90D)
I also have a commander I could place in the turret as well. It looks so massive doesn't it?
i like your grimed up collection... in fact i thought them worthy enough to show my wife and even she liked their muddy state...i think comes time you had to invest into some terrain...to better display them...somethinng that works in those ways to show how they got so muddy in the first place...^^
Viktor von Domm wrote:i like your grimed up collection... in fact i thought them worthy enough to show my wife and even she liked their muddy state...i think comes time you had to invest into some terrain...to better display them...somethinng that works in those ways to show how they got so muddy in the first place...^^
Impressed the missus eh? Well, now, terrain will likely be the future project for me once I have the money, nice display terrain of highland bogs, marshes or river banks with the muddied water effects for the water, and the wet stuff drawn up the side they came out of it on. In the meantime, i have another Lancer and claymore to muddy up and so tonight will be pics of the factory fresh models shown next to the decaled/grimed/muddy ones for stark contrast with their clean camo paint versus the grime.
Automatically Appended Next Post: In normal lighting(no flash used) is the lancer paired with the show room clean version!
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The first part (speck with an 'i') IS an ethnic slur against Latin-Americans.* Although the complete phrase is also an old slur on mixed heritage (Afro and Latin-Americans) from the 1950s.
*Possibly derived from Police shorthand. Spanish Person In Custody.
The first part (speck with an 'i') IS an ethnic slur against Latin-Americans.* Although the complete phrase is also an old slur on mixed heritage (Afro and Latin-Americans) from the 1950s.
*Possibly derived from Police shorthand. Spanish Person In Custody.
cleaning supplies http://www.spicnspan.com/ I was in fact using a term for clean and shiny that is also the exact name of an American cleaning product, but the system detected the wrong things as it must have thought of the slur you mentioned, and that slur is not spelled with a k like the word "speck" so overly sensitive computer server. Oh well in the world of watered down, Orwellian political correctness speak what else can one do? (I suppose I shall have to get that up-to-date new speak dictionary 10th edition?) Military term, (I am ex-military) http://www.answers.com/topic/[see forum posting rules]-and-span, definition: adj.
Immaculately clean; spotless. See synonyms at neat1. Brand-new; fresh.
@Vik, Oh yes, the dirty, muddy effects are definitely worth it, just a tad intensive on my supplies of Graveyard Earth and Devlan Mud washes.
@ Boss Ed' butt! the Old Crow series has some vehicles even more suited to Orky cobversion in the shape of the Geko Pu truck, and the halftracked vehicles like the Goanna and Dragoon. They may be done with crisp, clean lines and panels, but with the right extra plates sloppily added in and other fun bitz, you can Orky 'em up nice!
@Chromedog, It's hard not to be a avid supporter of Old Crow once you have the models in your hands!~
Automatically Appended Next Post: Notice the cleaning supply name w/o the separations got past the censor program? I think that the program is overly sensitive, just like car alarms that go off when the breeze is strong enough to vibrate the car.
Aye, but I try not to use the slurs and perjoratives as there are enough impolite and rude folks on the net as is. I have a lot of friends that fall in the "Latino" category, even though most of the time I tend to just think of them as part of my friends group. To me, Humans are humans, they are either good folk to have around, or as the negative minded ones, left to themselves.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Now for the two Claymores comparison!
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Okay, I decided to see roughly how big things were since the new FW newsletter had a chimera next to both the Crassus and Praetor and they use the same treads as the Gorgon, so I thought, "why not go back and do more work on the Sea-Dragon? " and have a Chimera alongside it to show the scale, I think it is about the same size as either of those beasts.
So, front view
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So big it did not fit with the chimera nose to tail.
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good idea to get the whole ramp muddy...makes very good sense indeed...as for the PC here... sometimes me thinks others are not under the watchful eye of the modquisition...guess such is life...
the sea dragon? where did you literally dig that one up... i am lost on that one...but i totaly dig the two manned gunners to the rear... oh and by the way... do you get difficulties with oponents for making vehicles with special rules? after all getting so many crews out in the field with one transport is sure a nive thing to have^^
Any chance we could get a shot of a Sabre next to a Chimera or Leman Russ? I'm interested in seeing how it stacks up.
There may be a comparative somewhere about, I can certainly snap one as I have both a chimera and sabre sitting at my side!
Viktor von Domm wrote:the sea dragon? where did you literally dig that one up... i am lost on that one...but i totaly dig the two manned gunners to the rear... oh and by the way... do you get difficulties with oponents for making vehicles with special rules? after all getting so many crews out in the field with one transport is sure a nive thing to have^^
It is a cionversion of a 1/35th scale WWII amphibious assault vehicle. As can be seen, I made a drop ramp for the front, And it is for Apocalypse play as it is either a new VDR vehicle for use, or a Gorgon stand in or Crassus stand in.
Automatically Appended Next Post: @ McNutty; Fresh uploaded pics, let me klnow, and I will post them here to view
shasolenzabi wrote:@ McNutty; Fresh uploaded pics, let me klnow, and I will post them here to view
Beautiful. I'm considering the idea of using the Sabre turret on a Leman Russ or Chimera chassis. If you got any pics that could help me get an idea of how they compare, it would be appreciated
The mud looks Great! Even more so awesome when compared to a "green" similar model! I am looking forward to seeing some Group shots, or all the armor. And an army shot!!! If you EVER find yourself in the New Jersey area. Please let me know so we can meet up and play. I would Love to fight up against this Impressive army!!!
Also guys there will not be any updates on my stuff for a While. I am going on a short hiatus til i finish getting trained as a manager at my job. They are going to work me to the bone for a while! Though it means more money for Models! And models i need.
I'm looking forward to coming back and getting to see some Awesome OC models from you Shaso. And i;m looking forward to checking up on your blog Vik!!!
Viktor von Domm wrote:have to concur, the OC turret of the sabre is impressive but way too wide for the LR...sadly as it would add a ton of character to the LR
The Lancer turrets might work as they are smaller, and they have barrels for heavier cannons to boot!
FireCancer wrote:Very Impressive stuff Shaso!
The mud looks Great! Even more so awesome when compared to a "green" similar model! I am looking forward to seeing some Group shots, or all the armor. And an army shot!!! If you EVER find yourself in the New Jersey area. Please let me know so we can meet up and play. I would Love to fight up against this Impressive army!!!
Also guys there will not be any updates on my stuff for a While. I am going on a short hiatus til i finish getting trained as a manager at my job. They are going to work me to the bone for a while! Though it means more money for Models! And models i need.
I'm looking forward to coming back and getting to see some Awesome OC models from you Shaso. And i;m looking forward to checking up on your blog Vik!!!
Cheers All!
FireCancer
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Thanks! I do take positive criticism as well, so folks made suggestions which trigger ideas that burn like a forest fire through my brain and this is the results, I look at my grimed Lancewr and keep thinking it needs a hose down, or I will have that dirt transfer to me the illusion is so well done in RL. It is with such folks as yourselves that have me make the tanks look more "real" Good luck on training, it is for a greater cause for your armies sakes! If I get to Jersey area I will let you know! I will bring the Iron Guard with me! I still have so many Leman Russs tanks in unfinished mode, once done with the OC models, I have, the other oddballs will be worked on and grimed as well!
McNutty wrote:Wow. Here I was worried that the Sabre turret would be too small for a LR, guess that's not the case.
Either way, thanks for the pics and keep up the great work! I'll check in if I attempt any sort of LR/Sabre mashup.
No problems, it is like the thought of putting Leopard II turret on a PzKpfW-IV. My idea is that OC has the Lancer turrets and smaller ones that may work as well, look at the Gladius turret
Viktor von Domm wrote:at firecancer...take your time for storing energy for the training! we will be waiting^^
Agreed, looking forwards to hearing back from you when training is done Firecancer!
Love the everything about the Sea Dragon except the "nail" guns in the back. You've got to get some real barrels on there.
Old Crow ought to give you a commission at this point. Even with the lack of detail on the wheels your photos have sold me on picking up one of their half tracks.
Sanguinary Dan wrote:Love the everything about the Sea Dragon except the "nail" guns in the back. You've got to get some real barrels on there.
Old Crow ought to give you a commission at this point. Even with the lack of detail on the wheels your photos have sold me on picking up one of their half tracks.
I made those with plastic tube stocks, and the "muzzle-break" is cut off tube stock as well on the Sea-Dragon. I an looking into snipping them when I get a better "muzzle-break' for them, and 4 of them at that.
LOL! I wish Jez could do that,m but he is a small operation that can afford little in t hat regard. I did get a nice surprise for my birthday which the vehicles were a self given present to myself, got a free preview/of stowage kits and bags and rolled up camo netting for the Sabres.
sorry quite a time for me to be not overly present at dakka... work is taken much energy out of me...(drat...thats a horrible thing...and money doens´t cover that in any way...) so when will we see some new pics of your steel monsters?
Viktor von Domm wrote:sorry quite a time for me to be not overly present at dakka... work is taken much energy out of me...(drat...thats a horrible thing...and money doens´t cover that in any way...) so when will we see some new pics of your steel monsters?
cheers, vik
Likely Friday will be fresh pics for viewing, busy day away tomorrow.
Okay, been slow lately, but I have done more painti8ng, I now also see that touch ups will be needed here and there before the decal and dirt process is started.
For now, the new looking OC Claymore
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Next to the dirty and decalled 845
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The newbie Lancer, also ready for touch ups/decals/dirt
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Too clean to stay that way for much longer!
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Even that scroll work will get blasted! Muwahahaha!
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compared to it's dirty brother 440
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Once these are finished, I can begin the process of painting up the other super-heavy oddballs I own!
it´s like a steel version of a new vs old... and we all know who will be the winner of such a contest^^... specially if we follow someones musings about camo/and shinynesses and such things...may your camo nettings stay always complete^^!
Viktor von Domm wrote:it´s like a steel version of a new vs old... and we all know who will be the winner of such a contest^^... specially if we follow someones musings about camo/and shinynesses and such things...may your camo nettings stay always complete^^!
nice to have you back by the way!
vik
Good to be back on track somewhat, and yes, I thought you'd like that piece of short, short fiction. Of course Shrike joined that "discussion" , but SM and IG are like Apples and Oranges.
yup, and thus atract different players... i started to get interrested in 40k by SM but then i diverted to IG...much more possibilities down that road!
True, the IG can be supplied by so many different sources of minis and vehicles, but SM are Iconic for 40K and can only have paint schemes changed, maybe some head swaps here and there.
and even in the paintschemes they arew limited if you want to be generic fluffy about it... because even if i have seen some camo sm the lot of the armies are plain and simple in design...sadly...but i guess thats how they are supposed to roll of the production line...
Viktor von Domm wrote:and even in the paintschemes they arew limited if you want to be generic fluffy about it... because even if i have seen some camo sm the lot of the armies are plain and simple in design...sadly...but i guess thats how they are supposed to roll of the production line...
But with Guard, so many camo or non camo options, weapon options, vehicles and so on. With SM it is Power armor/terminator armor/rhino variants/landraider variants/landspeeder variants.
well options as to loadouts are one thing... what i firstly see in a good army is the look... and sometimes the SM armies mightyly resemble to my taste that of harlequins and clowns with very heavy water splashing flowers lol^^
LOL! SM are supposed to be the "Knights of Space" for the Imperium. But the IG represent the standard human doing what he can in the face of incredible odds and foes with a flak jacket and flashlight
i like the sripes on the mainguns, haven´t seen that done before...
also where did you get those decalls with the writing? are they with the rest of the regimental decals? and i like how you deled-up the tanks!
one minir thing tho...first pic of the claymore...you messed up the lascanon...the red spots got sideways on the left...can´t stand idly by and get these tanks up in a good paintscheme when some parts have to be redone^^
Viktor von Domm wrote:i like the sripes on the mainguns, haven´t seen that done before...
also where did you get those decalls with the writing? are they with the rest of the regimental decals? and i like how you deled-up the tanks!
one minir thing tho...first pic of the claymore...you messed up the lascanon...the red spots got sideways on the left...can´t stand idly by and get these tanks up in a good paintscheme when some parts have to be redone^^
cheers, vik
Kill stripes, white ones for 5 kills, and black ones for 10 kills. And yeah, those all came with the tank regiment decals in all GW tank kits. As for the Multi-lasers barrels, a dry brush of mithril silver will fix the problem.
Now once I do all of that, and dirty them up, they will be done and I can get to my long waiting collection of Leman Russ Tanks and other more oddballs like the Char-1B Malcador!
lol i filled in "Char-1B Malcador" in google pic search and your almost full army shot was first hit!!! it´s official then that your blog and your army is now official famous!!! so feel proud of yer collection or else...^^
Viktor von Domm wrote:lol i filled in "Char-1B Malcador" in google pic search and your almost full army shot was first hit!!! it´s official then that your blog and your army is now official famous!!! so feel proud of yer collection or else...^^
LOL! even on Bing too! My army is all over the Internets! i look for the Akuyaku and my version and others show up!
under the Akuyaku search i even founf the full army shot and the perun once^^ when i look for steamtanks and such terms and i find my own tank it feels a bit sppoky and als i am a little proud^^
and the best part is this ghost of a hint of your work will stay in the web for well as long as any servers are working... we have aimed for fun and creativity and nailed eternity^^ how cool can it get^^
Viktor von Domm wrote:under the Akuyaku search i even founf the full army shot and the perun once^^ when i look for steamtanks and such terms and i find my own tank it feels a bit sppoky and als i am a little proud^^
and the best part is this ghost of a hint of your work will stay in the web for well as long as any servers are working... we have aimed for fun and creativity and nailed eternity^^ how cool can it get^^
The imagery has been in internet eternity as far as computers are concerned, but the Internet may well last a while and those images downloaded multiple times.
Now we were simply sharing what we worked on and all of it is now online for access.
yup blessing and curse in one small tight package... once it is out in the web you lost the control of your image... i expect some chineese redo in the next three mnths from your perun and my steamy^^
i sometimes cringe a bit at the fact of how much work is ruined once you aply the mud...but there is only one way to weather down a tank... you have to firstly make him shiny and then destroy the paintjob^^
i was thinking of selling off my scenery to make space for more , but the p&p would kill it , for most potential buyers i think.
You might want to darken the outer areas of the blue spots and lighten the inner area of the blue spots. It gives the peice a little more depth, and it adds a little realism. But it looks like a really good start. 
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fire^^
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