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Horus Heresy: Betrayal at Calth - Leaked Pics! pp 39-41 @ 2015/11/11 15:04:40


Post by: Fenrir Kitsune


 Kanluwen wrote:
 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Zywus wrote:
Can't it just be that case that it's cheaper if you pre-order?

It's common to offer perks to enthuse people to pre-order stuff. Of course it's more effective if you actually tell people that the price will be higher in normal retail, but this is GW after all, so...

And if they didn't say up front that it was going to be a higher price when it's in shops this Saturday, they'd be potentially be open to all kinds of litigation.


How? Raising the price on something is courtworthy now, is it?

False advertising is.

If you go in to purchase a set for the listed price that the preorders are at(which has no mention of it being a "preorder exclusive price" or any other garbage) and it instead is listed for more?
That's false advertising and companies have gotten in trouble for it.


Preorders being a cheaper price is pretty common practice.

For independents, maybe. But independents usually make it clear that it is a preorder price.

And that's the point I'm trying to make and you're seeming to fail to grasp. Deceptive advertising, such as "Buy X for $50! In stores next Saturday!", can get you in trouble.


How is it deceptive? The put the price on the website, people bought it at that price. They put another price in WD later and that's that. Wheres the deception? Its probably a misprint with no intent to deceive behind it, which is the point I'm making that you don't seem to be grasping.


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Post by: Kanluwen


It's worth noting that Strike Force Ultra's Terminator Captain, Krom Dragongaze, and Grukk Face-Rippa were all labeled the same way.


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Post by: Nevelon


On the topic of boxed characters being sold separately, and the HH:BaC box in particular:

As both characters share a sprue, I think the odds of them being packaged and sold individually are quite low. So while I think the odds of the units/dread getting their own boxes are quite high, if you want the characters, this is probably the only place.

I could be wrong though.


Horus Heresy: Betrayal at Calth - Leaked Pics! pp 39-41 @ 2015/11/11 15:19:39


Post by: SeanDrake


In regards to the price difference I would guess the higher price was from when the box was going to be ltd.

Luckly AoS tanked and they switched to plan b releasing a lower price unlimited box to try and claw some money back.

Remember it has been mentioned by ex staff years ago that plastic Heresy was being held back for if things got desperate.

After 4 months of AoS release they have hit the big red panic button.


Horus Heresy: Betrayal at Calth - Leaked Pics! pp 39-41 @ 2015/11/11 15:22:30


Post by: Warhams-77


Maybe as a 'Command / HQ' box set?

Like one of these


(that's a Captain in the center)





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Post by: IGtR=


I would imagine, but this is pure speculation, that since they are on the same sprue they will be released together ala forgeworld's command group set things they do. This could be the MkIV Commanders set or somesuch thing. But this is more speculation than BoLS so I shall leave this at that. But it seems unlikely for them to re-release everything except one sprue considering the work that will have gone into it.

Cheers

Ig

Och Ninja'd!!!


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Post by: Warhams-77


Regarding the price change from the men who leaked the HH game and miniatures first

Originally Posted by 75hastings69

Fear not. The ORIGINAL price point for BaC was to be 125gbp, this was when Visions went to print, it was then DROPPED to 95gbp, the current cost is the correct one.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?414958-WV-23-Release-List&p=7565554&viewfull=1#post7565554




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Post by: Fenrir Kitsune


Warhams-77 wrote:
Regarding the price change from the men who leaked the HH game and miniatures first

Originally Posted by 75hastings69

Fear not. The ORIGINAL price point for BaC was to be 125gbp, this was when Visions went to print, it was then DROPPED to 95gbp, the current cost is the correct one.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?414958-WV-23-Release-List&p=7565554&viewfull=1#post7565554




How deceptive of them. I shall contact my solicitor shortly.


Horus Heresy: Betrayal at Calth - Leaked Pics! pp 39-41 @ 2015/11/11 15:37:47


Post by: Kanluwen


Not worth my time.


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Post by: mikhaila


Just got in my shipment. The poor fedex man was not pleased to be lugging in 14 cases.

A big pile of Betrayal.


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Post by: Slinky


 mikhaila wrote:
Just got in my shipment. The poor fedex man was not pleased to be lugging in 14 cases.

A big pile of Betrayal.


Is this single-handedly reviving the GW side of your business, then?


Horus Heresy: Betrayal at Calth - Leaked Pics! pp 39-41 @ 2015/11/11 17:01:54


Post by: Bull0


Warhams-77 wrote:
Regarding the price change from the men who leaked the HH game and miniatures first

Originally Posted by 75hastings69

Fear not. The ORIGINAL price point for BaC was to be 125gbp, this was when Visions went to print, it was then DROPPED to 95gbp, the current cost is the correct one.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?414958-WV-23-Release-List&p=7565554&viewfull=1#post7565554




Jayzus, £125 would've been painful.


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Post by: Jollydevil


 mikhaila wrote:
Just got in my shipment. The poor fedex man was not pleased to be lugging in 14 cases.

A big pile of Betrayal.
You got yours already? Isnt it not supposed to come out until Saturday?


Horus Heresy: Betrayal at Calth - Leaked Pics! pp 39-41 @ 2015/11/11 17:04:39


Post by: warboss


 mikhaila wrote:
Just got in my shipment. The poor fedex man was not pleased to be lugging in 14 cases.

A big pile of Betrayal.


Is that what you called the first AOS and finecast shipments too?


Horus Heresy: Betrayal at Calth - Leaked Pics! pp 39-41 @ 2015/11/11 17:08:41


Post by: mikhaila


 warboss wrote:
 mikhaila wrote:
Just got in my shipment. The poor fedex man was not pleased to be lugging in 14 cases.

A big pile of Betrayal.


Is that what you called the first AOS and finecast shipments too?


Finecast actually sold decently at first. AOS i had nearly all of mine sold through the store, dakka, and ebay before the shipment came in. I could smell the death on that box from a long way out.


I'm liking the sweet smell of betrayal a whole lot better than the stench of the glory of sigmar, that's for sure


Horus Heresy: Betrayal at Calth - Leaked Pics! pp 39-41 @ 2015/11/11 17:12:43


Post by: Jollydevil


 Jollydevil wrote:
 mikhaila wrote:
Just got in my shipment. The poor fedex man was not pleased to be lugging in 14 cases.

A big pile of Betrayal.
You got yours already? Isnt it not supposed to come out until Saturday?

Oooooooh
Youre a
Dealer....


Horus Heresy: Betrayal at Calth - Leaked Pics! pp 39-41 @ 2015/11/11 17:15:51


Post by: mikhaila


 Jollydevil wrote:
 Jollydevil wrote:
 mikhaila wrote:
Just got in my shipment. The poor fedex man was not pleased to be lugging in 14 cases.

A big pile of Betrayal.
You got yours already? Isnt it not supposed to come out until Saturday?

Oooooooh
Youre a
Dealer....


I should hope so, otherwise those 70 boxes of models would take a long time to paint


Horus Heresy: Betrayal at Calth - Leaked Pics! pp 39-41 @ 2015/11/11 17:16:43


Post by: Lithlandis Stormcrow


 mikhaila wrote:
 Jollydevil wrote:
 Jollydevil wrote:
 mikhaila wrote:
Just got in my shipment. The poor fedex man was not pleased to be lugging in 14 cases.

A big pile of Betrayal.
You got yours already? Isnt it not supposed to come out until Saturday?

Oooooooh
Youre a
Dealer....


I should hope so, otherwise those 70 boxes of models would take a long time to paint


I have heard of far more insane purchases!


Horus Heresy: Betrayal at Calth - Leaked Pics! pp 39-41 @ 2015/11/11 17:31:43


Post by: shade1313


 mikhaila wrote:
 Jollydevil wrote:
 Jollydevil wrote:
 mikhaila wrote:
Just got in my shipment. The poor fedex man was not pleased to be lugging in 14 cases.

A big pile of Betrayal.
You got yours already? Isnt it not supposed to come out until Saturday?

Oooooooh
Youre a
Dealer....


I should hope so, otherwise those 70 boxes of models would take a long time to paint


2100 tactical marines
350 Cataphract terminators
70 Praetors
70 Chaplains
70 Contemptors


C'mon, you don't have to paint them ALL to Golden Daemon standards, it won't take that long.



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Post by: Alex Kolodotschko


Blame, just got my grubby little mitts on 3 boxes. Enjoying the new toy smell. Nice quality sets and a good haul for the price i paid. I'm looking forward to settling down with this little lot over the winter months.


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Post by: Necros


Just spray em gold and dip em in minwax. All done!


Horus Heresy: Betrayal at Calth - Leaked Pics! pp 39-41 @ 2015/11/11 17:43:33


Post by: Alex Kolodotschko


That would certainly save some time and effort.
I'm in.


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Post by: warboss


 Necros wrote:
Just spray em gold and dip em in minwax. All done!


BTP ftw then?


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


 Necros wrote:
Just spray em gold and dip em in minwax. All done!
Wait, explain the Minwax statement. Is this an effective way of dealing miniatures and which type of Minwax?

I still can't decide if I want this game or not. I don't really want to start a new Marines army and none of the stuff in this one is something I really need it want for my existing armies.

Hopefully that Contemptor comes out separately. I would buy two.


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Post by: Necros


It's the "dip" method, I did a whole TK army with that a while back and it came out great.

Basically, you use wood stain called Minwax Polyshades (I guess any brand with polyurethane added will work?). Pick a good color that you think will work good for your shade. Paint your mini in basic solid colors, then dunk it in the can of stain and shake off the excess (preferably outside so you don't get yelled at), then just let it dry overnight. The next morning you have a nicely shaded mini. It will be super glossy though, but if you spray it with a matte varnish after that you should be fine.

It's messy but it works good for getting a big army painted up kinda fast. You should be able to find more info and examples if you search in the painting forums


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Post by: alphaecho


 Bull0 wrote:
Warhams-77 wrote:
Regarding the price change from the men who leaked the HH game and miniatures first

Originally Posted by 75hastings69

Fear not. The ORIGINAL price point for BaC was to be 125gbp, this was when Visions went to print, it was then DROPPED to 95gbp, the current cost is the correct one.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?414958-WV-23-Release-List&p=7565554&viewfull=1#post7565554




Jayzus, £125 would've been painful.


As a UK gamer, going into 3 figures would be a personal consumer resistance barrier to break through before buying.


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


 Necros wrote:
Spoiler:
It's the "dip" method, I did a whole TK army with that a while back and it came out great.

Basically, you use wood stain called Minwax Polyshades (I guess any brand with polyurethane added will work?). Pick a good color that you think will work good for your shade. Paint your mini in basic solid colors, then dunk it in the can of stain and shake off the excess (preferably outside so you don't get yelled at), then just let it dry overnight. The next morning you have a nicely shaded mini. It will be super glossy though, but if you spray it with a matte varnish after that you should be fine.

It's messy but it works good for getting a big army painted up kinda fast. You should be able to find more info and examples if you search in the painting forums
Thanks for the info! If I was going to shotgun out a big army of Space Marines, Necrons, or Eldar, I would probably do this. Otherwise, I like finer control. Also doesn't really help on an existing army very much. Maybe if I bought this set to start HH Imperial Fists. Yellow is such a pain to work with.


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Post by: Yodhrin


 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
 xttz wrote:
 Moopy wrote:
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

So much for Ltd. Edition.


GW don't do that much limited edition, they generally do 'while stocks last'. That gives the impression something has limited availability without legally preventing them from releasing it again later.



I'm pleased as punch, I don't want the minis being limited edition. I want the new assassins, the broodlord that came with that boxed set etc all available. In case I want to buy them...


This. I abhor "limited edition" nonsense generally(I've never understood people who can only find value in things that other people don't have), but even moreso when it's unnecessary artificial scarcity. These are mass-produced plastic, there's no reason they shouldn't be available for everyone who wants them.


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


He it that we are already seeing LE models (Karlaen and the Assassins) being released separately, I wouldn't be too afraid of LE anymore.


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Post by: Talys


 Necros wrote:
It's the "dip" method, I did a whole TK army with that a while back and it came out great.

Basically, you use wood stain called Minwax Polyshades (I guess any brand with polyurethane added will work?). Pick a good color that you think will work good for your shade. Paint your mini in basic solid colors, then dunk it in the can of stain and shake off the excess (preferably outside so you don't get yelled at), then just let it dry overnight. The next morning you have a nicely shaded mini. It will be super glossy though, but if you spray it with a matte varnish after that you should be fine.

It's messy but it works good for getting a big army painted up kinda fast. You should be able to find more info and examples if you search in the painting forums


You can use Army Painter quickshade, which won't leave you with the ultraglossy finish, and one jar will essentially last you an army. But you can also just use a big brush and apply it. The amount of actual time you save is pretty tiny if you're talking about 30 minis. It's the difference between 5 seconds and 30 seconds per model

AP tinted primers are pretty bulletproof, too, so if you just use AP colored primer and quickshade, I wouldn't bother with varnish.


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Post by: mikhaila


Army painter quickshade is amazing and much, much better than minwax. I've done several hundred figures with it, by brushing it on with a large soft brush.


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Post by: Ghaz


Never cared much for 'the dip' myself.


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Post by: Kanluwen


 Ghaz wrote:
Maybe we'll finally see the Reclusiam Command Squad Chaplain sold separately?

I'd rather they just make a better one.


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


 mikhaila wrote:
Army painter quickshade is amazing and much, much better than minwax. I've done several hundred figures with it, by brushing it on with a large soft brush.
Does it come in blue? Because if so, that would probably drastically cut down my Crimson Fists painting time. I have a big addition to my army coming, and if I could save on time that would be great.

Even if there isn't blue, this would still work great for a new army (such as a White Scars army I am considering).


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
Maybe we'll finally see the Reclusiam Command Squad Chaplain sold separately?

I'd rather they just make a better one.
Just take the Interrogator-Chaplain and file off all of the DA markings. That is what I am considering. I doubt the RCS Chaplain will see separate release anyway, since he is still available, unlike Karlaen or the SFU Terminator Captain.


Horus Heresy: Betrayal at Calth - Leaked Pics! pp 39-41 @ 2015/11/11 18:41:23


Post by: Kanluwen


Well, the RCS Chaplain also has an integral base rather than a piece of rubble attached to his foot or something of that nature.


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


 Kanluwen wrote:
Well, the RCS Chaplain also has an integral base rather than a piece of rubble attached to his foot or something of that nature.
True, but that isn't even the norm for Clampacks (or the BaC characters, to bring this around to the thread topic) anymore. Hopefully they will release the PA character from the BaC separately, only he and the Contemptors are really desirable to me. He would look quite nice in black with a pair of red fists (with some dark blue pauldrons), if I say so myself.


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Post by: Necros


Yeah I pretty much only use Army Painter paints now, especially the sprays. except for the occasional color I need that they don't have. I really do love the new GW sigmarine gold foundation color. I always had to use a yellowy color first and then coat it with gold cuz it was too transparent before.

I haven't gotten any of the cans of AP shade though, but I use the dropper versions. I never got the other shades because they're oil based and I'm too lazy to go buy a $4 can of turpentine.

On that note, gonna need a new can of bone color spray to basecoat my new 30k marines


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


Ooo, which chapter are you doing, Necros? Death Guard?


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Post by: Necros


My own! the Krypt Keepers. I did them as a Chaos Marine army a while ago, so this will be the not-chaos-yet version

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-666-1291_Krypt%20Keepers.html


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


 Necros wrote:
My own! the Krypt Keepers. I did them as a Chaos Marine army a while ago, so this will be the not-chaos-yet version

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-666-1291_Krypt%20Keepers.html
Nice. That scheme on Mk IV armor would be very nice. The Mk IV armor has a lot of detail that would really pop.


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Post by: Lockark


according to the white dwarf vistions it's listing the new set for $220CAD instead of the current $180CAD, with a simular price raise across the board for all the curencies.

Is this comfirmation the price will go up was pre-orders are over for the set?


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Post by: mikhaila


 Lockark wrote:
according to the white dwarf vistions it's listing the new set for $220CAD instead of the current $180CAD, with a simular price raise across the board for all the curencies.

Is this comfirmation the price will go up was pre-orders are over for the set?


No, they print visions far ahead, and dropped the price. For now at least, it's the lower price. The next printing will be around the end of the year.


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Post by: shade1313


 Lockark wrote:
according to the white dwarf vistions it's listing the new set for $220CAD instead of the current $180CAD, with a simular price raise across the board for all the curencies.

Is this comfirmation the price will go up was pre-orders are over for the set?


This has been the biggest topic of discussion for the last couple of pages, already.


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Post by: Mymearan


 mikhaila wrote:
 warboss wrote:
 mikhaila wrote:
Just got in my shipment. The poor fedex man was not pleased to be lugging in 14 cases.

A big pile of Betrayal.


Is that what you called the first AOS and finecast shipments too?


Finecast actually sold decently at first. AOS i had nearly all of mine sold through the store, dakka, and ebay before the shipment came in. I could smell the death on that box from a long way out.


I'm liking the sweet smell of betrayal a whole lot better than the stench of the glory of sigmar, that's for sure


Weren't you the guy who was super positive about AoS, organizing a league and everything?


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Post by: warboss


 Mymearan wrote:
 mikhaila wrote:
 warboss wrote:
 mikhaila wrote:
Just got in my shipment. The poor fedex man was not pleased to be lugging in 14 cases.

A big pile of Betrayal.


Is that what you called the first AOS and finecast shipments too?


Finecast actually sold decently at first. AOS i had nearly all of mine sold through the store, dakka, and ebay before the shipment came in. I could smell the death on that box from a long way out.


I'm liking the sweet smell of betrayal a whole lot better than the stench of the glory of sigmar, that's for sure


Weren't you the guy who was super positive about AoS, organizing a league and everything?


It worked. He sold it, didn't he? In all seriousness, store owners aren't required to like/use every product they sell or support. I can't really stand MTG or any CCG but if I owned a store you'd better believe that I'd stock them and host a game night.


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Post by: RiTides


Warhams-77 wrote:
That's why I visit DakkaDakka, faster than CSI Miami, thanks guys

Just catching up on the part of the thread where the fake pic was debunked - totally agreed, that was fast


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Post by: Moopy


 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
 xttz wrote:
 Moopy wrote:
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

So much for Ltd. Edition.


GW don't do that much limited edition, they generally do 'while stocks last'. That gives the impression something has limited availability without legally preventing them from releasing it again later.



I'm pleased as punch, I don't want the minis being limited edition. I want the new assassins, the broodlord that came with that boxed set etc all available. In case I want to buy them...


I am not. If I'm purprosefully setting asside money to get a product that is "limited" only to find out it's not, I feel suckered. I'm also far less likely to purchase anything in this vein from now on.

Thank goodness there's none of that being pulled in the Betrayal at Calth.


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Post by: angelofvengeance


Playthrough video here... looks like fun! (It's about 45mins for Mission I)




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Post by: Mymearan


Nice, will watch later. GWs Youtube channel is quality stuff.


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Post by: jonolikespie


Have GW ever released a playthrough video before or is this a big step forwards in terms of their 'marketing'?


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Post by: zedmeister


 jonolikespie wrote:
Have GW ever released a playthrough video before or is this a big step forwards in terms of their 'marketing'?


Remember that Forgeworld will have been involved with this and they tend to be more level headed when it comes to marketing.


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Post by: Warhams-77


Nice video, I was looking forward to a well-done playthrough video and there it is And from GW, that's quite a surprise.

They used to do a lot more good video content around 5th edition Dark Eldar but then it changed to mostly product ads and the (good) painting videos.

They did something similiar afaik when Space Hulk 3rd was released in 2009 but not a proper playthrough.

Good to see something like this from GW.





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Post by: Paradigm


The video is decent, and the game looks... interesting. Mission-driven gameplay, cards, the hex-based movement and the dice mechanics look decent, but I'm not sure about the unit-based gameplay but with individual model stats. It works fine in 40k, as a complex wargame, and I like it there, but here, it seems that it's possibly just unnecessary complication...

The minis and tiles look fantastic.


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Post by: d-usa


I'll have to grab me a box after the holidays.


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Post by: timetowaste85


Im looking forward to my copy. Got to see the box. And touch it!! But can't have it til release. Very much looking forward to it!!


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Post by: SolidOakie


I dont play 40k but I do read the Horus Heresy series. I am on the 11th book and now dont think I can go any longer without throwing my hat into the ring


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Post by: Gordy2000


Looky what the courier just dropped off....





Very high production values on all the contents. The minis are excellent - crisp details and plenty of options for the Tac and Termi squads. The characters really are very nice. Even the Contemptor looks better in person.

In case people are wondering how I got this today, remember that due to time zone differences, New Zealand exists in the future!


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Post by: H.B.M.C.


That's a lot of sprues.


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Post by: methebest


I'm not getting mine till tomorrow. ;_;
I just wish there were some power weapons for the termi's other than the champs sword.


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Post by: BrookM


It's a bit of a tight fit with all those sprues, but it's a great deal and everything in it is of a great, high quality.

Well, except for the writing.

It's obvious from reading the main rule / fluff book that while Forge World provided the style along with some of their gorgeous art (rest taken from BL publications of course), the writing is very obviously done by GW, especially when compared to FW's Horus Heresy books. While it still does the job, it's perhaps a bit less, adult oriented and a bit more punchy?

But yes, when I got my box I got a good vibe from it, there's something about that box art that really reminds me of older versions.


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Post by: Dark Lord Seanron


Daft question, but the models are pretty devoid of Legion markings so you could paint them as two entirely seperate Legions from the WB and UM and still play the actual game?


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Post by: BrookM


Yes, yes they are. Only legion markings in the box are the decals.


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Post by: Fireball


My box is said to be delivered today ...hopefully they drop it off at a neighbor while I am at work ...


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Post by: notprop


Are the tactical cards legion specific or Loyal vs Traitor this allowing other legions to be represented by the original box contents?

No a biggie but if you painted the minis as Ravens/Wolves/ANOther and had Ultramarine cards I can see that grating some people.


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Post by: Slinky


Mine has been sent - Hope to receive it tomorrow.

Anyone in the UK want the terminators and characters at a cheap price?


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Post by: angelofvengeance


Got mine on tuesday and went and got a 2nd copy yesterday... lovely stuff! So. Many. Astartes.


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Post by: IGtR=


 Slinky wrote:
Mine has been sent - Hope to receive it tomorrow.

Anyone in the UK want the terminators and characters at a cheap price?


PM sent


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Post by: Do_I_Not_Like_That


 Fireball wrote:
My box is said to be delivered today ...hopefully they drop it off at a neighbor while I am at work ...


If you're neighbour is me, you'll never see that box again


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Post by: BrookM


 notprop wrote:
Are the tactical cards legion specific or Loyal vs Traitor this allowing other legions to be represented by the original box contents?

No a biggie but if you painted the minis as Ravens/Wolves/ANOther and had Ultramarine cards I can see that grating some people.
Both Legions have their own decks of themed command cards.


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Post by: Paradigm


 notprop wrote:
Are the tactical cards legion specific or Loyal vs Traitor this allowing other legions to be represented by the original box contents?

No a biggie but if you painted the minis as Ravens/Wolves/ANOther and had Ultramarine cards I can see that grating some people.


From the gameplay video, there were definitely two different styles on show (the Ultras seems to have cards revolving around command and morale, while the WB were based on forbidden tech or warp trickery to avoid damage or do extra damage), but I saw nothing absolutely specific. The Chaos cards seem like they'd work for any Legion actively worshipping Chaos, while the Loyalist cards seem to work as a nice alternative to that without being specific. Things like planting a standard (morale boost), vox communication (extra Action Point) and such could really apply to anyone.


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Post by: UNCLEBADTOUCH


Looks like firgeworld will be updating their heresy weapons to have the right hand attached to make them compatible


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Post by: shade1313


Picked up my four that I had my FLGS order for me tonight.

Love me some 20% off.

A little bit weird opening up what is so reminiscent of a starter box and not finding red whippy sticks inside.



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Post by: Nostromodamus


shade1313 wrote:
Picked up my four that I had my FLGS order for me tonight.

Love me some 20% off.

A little bit weird opening up what is so reminiscent of a starter box and not finding red whippy sticks inside.



They have whacky boards though!

It's the new thing that people will never use for their intended purpose and therefore just hit each other with


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Post by: shade1313


 Alex C wrote:
shade1313 wrote:
Picked up my four that I had my FLGS order for me tonight.

Love me some 20% off.

A little bit weird opening up what is so reminiscent of a starter box and not finding red whippy sticks inside.



They have whacky boards though!

It's the new thing that people will never use for their intended purpose and therefore just hit each other with


To be fair to GW and the board game designers, the whacky boards are pretty neat, and with four sets, I can cover most of a regular game table!


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Post by: Stormonu


*Sigh*, I gave in and ordered a copy myself. It's not like I need more marines, but the actual gameplay looks fun, and I want the dreadnought.


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Post by: shade1313


Wish they could have found room on the sprues for a nuncio-vox head and backpack.


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Post by: MajorWesJanson


FLGS didn't get in the Skitarii maniple that I wanted, so I had to fight of the urge to get a third Calth box instead. I'll hold off until I paint up my Ultramarines first. Will need 3 more packs of UM upgrade sprues though.


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Post by: Kanluwen


 MajorWesJanson wrote:
FLGS didn't get in the Skitarii maniple that I wanted, so I had to fight of the urge to get a third Calth box instead. I'll hold off until I paint up my Ultramarines first. Will need 3 more packs of UM upgrade sprues though.

My understanding is that we won't see the Skitarii Battle Maniple, the Cult Mechanicus Elimination Maniple, or the Space Marine Battle Demi-Company until at least the 28th.


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Post by: Talys


 Kanluwen wrote:
 MajorWesJanson wrote:
FLGS didn't get in the Skitarii maniple that I wanted, so I had to fight of the urge to get a third Calth box instead. I'll hold off until I paint up my Ultramarines first. Will need 3 more packs of UM upgrade sprues though.

My understanding is that we won't see the Skitarii Battle Maniple, the Cult Mechanicus Elimination Maniple, or the Space Marine Battle Demi-Company until at least the 28th.


Yeah, it's not on the list for the coming week:

http://natfka.blogspot.ca/2015/11/a-little-late-but-here-is-full-release.html



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Post by: Thraxas Of Turai


Interesting that my local (and thus all others in the UK I assume?) are running this scheme:



Is GW actively trying to grow the community?


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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


I didn't see anything obvious when I passed mine today,

wonder if it's limited to some stores only as a test of how well it might work if rolled out (of it it's an option available to managers but taken off their bottom line so not all are going to do it)?


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Post by: thenoobbomb


That looks like a pretty good idea.


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Post by: UNCLEBADTOUCH


They did something similar in the UK in the past, about six ish years ago back when I still worked for them.


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Post by: methebest


It's happening at mine as well.


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Post by: Paradigm


So can I retroactively demand £30 from GW from about 5 years ago when I got several friends to buy AOBR... And somewhat ironically ended up with buying/trading for the Space Marine half from 2 out of 3 of them!

In all seriousness, though, that's a pretty neat idea. Plastic HH, Specialist Games revival and now a sort of special offer within about a week... has GW been infiltrated?

Can anyone with the set tell me what the largest force the WB require for any given mission in the book? I am looking to paint my set as one force when I get it, but I'm considering picking up a small opposition force for the board game itself, what would I need for that to cover the WB side?


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Post by: Nostromodamus


I wonder if James Hewitt is having any influence in this recent attempt to grow/engage/pander to the community?


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Post by: giantearlessgnome


 Paradigm wrote:
So can I retroactively demand £30 from GW from about 5 years ago when I got several friends to buy AOBR... And somewhat ironically ended up with buying/trading for the Space Marine half from 2 out of 3 of them!

In all seriousness, though, that's a pretty neat idea. Plastic HH, Specialist Games revival and now a sort of special offer within about a week... has GW been infiltrated?

Can anyone with the set tell me what the largest force the WB require for any given mission in the book? I am looking to paint my set as one force when I get it, but I'm considering picking up a small opposition force for the board game itself, what would I need for that to cover the WB side?


Missions 4 and 6 require 2 legion squads, Kurtha Sedd and sor gharax.

There is an extra mission in white dwarf 94 which requires the above plus 'reinforcements from a second box.


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Post by: Paradigm


 Alex C wrote:
I wonder if James Hewitt is having any influence in this recent attempt to grow/engage/pander to the community?


I don't know how involved he is with the rules side of things, but there are definitely elements of Deadzone on how this game is designed. The hex-based movement, the Action Points (not DZ-specific, of course, but they are there), rolling successes vs successes and such definitely called it to mind, to me at least. The game itself does look pretty fun, actually.



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 giantearlessgnome wrote:


Missions 4 and 6 require 2 legion squads, Kurtha Sedd and sor gharax.

There is an extra mission in white dwarf 94 which requires the above plus 'reinforcements from a second box.


Well, I have a CSM Lord, Chaplain and Helbrute with nothing to do (and Word Bearers, no less), so all I need is a couple of CSM squads... Coolio, might have to do that at some point.


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Post by: krazynadechukr


Can't wait for my local GW to open up today!


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Post by: Jollydevil


Well that was a dumb mistake.
"Your order just shipped"
I shouldve just ordered from my store :l


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Post by: Rayvon


 Jollydevil wrote:
Well that was a dumb mistake.
"Your order just shipped"
I shouldve just ordered from my store :l


Same here sadly, my two boxes from triple helix are being shipped by a company called "myhermes"
I will probably still be waiting this time next week !



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Post by: shade1313


 Jollydevil wrote:
Well that was a dumb mistake.
"Your order just shipped"
I shouldve just ordered from my store :l


Yeah, past experience has taught me that if I preorder directly from GW, I get my stuff about a week after it's released in stores.

I remember the days when GW would ship pre-orders up to a week before they hit stores, to try to get it to you as close to release day as possible.


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Post by: Paradigm


 Rayvon wrote:
 Jollydevil wrote:
Well that was a dumb mistake.
"Your order just shipped"
I shouldve just ordered from my store :l


Same here sadly, my two boxes from triple helix are being shipped by a company called "myhermes"
I will probably still be waiting this time next week !



Myheremes are usually pretty speedy, so it should only be 2-3 days unless they were sent via the slowest/cheapest possible option.

I say that after they have just totally fethed up a delivery I was supposed to be getting, but other than that one incident they're effective couriers.


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Post by: notprop


If your desperate to get your delivery from Hermes then your best result will be to stand in the garden so you can instantly react to its delivery when the launch it over your fence for a moving delivery van.

Only DPD rate lower in my books, that's because they like to park at the end of the road an kick it all the way OP the road, then they drop kick it over the fence.

Should help free the bits from the sprue though.


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Post by: Slinky


BaC feels professionally done to me - The assembly instructions are very nicely done!


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Post by: giantearlessgnome


 Slinky wrote:
BaC feels professionally done to me - The assembly instructions are very nicely done!


I agree, the whole thing (except the rulebook) feels like quality.

The box is also quite heavy - first thing that occurred to me when I collected it, second was the awesome box art.


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Post by: Paradigm


 giantearlessgnome wrote:
 Slinky wrote:
BaC feels professionally done to me - The assembly instructions are very nicely done!


I agree, the whole thing (except the rulebook) feels like quality... even the cardboard used for the box!!! Not that that is really something worth shouting about..


From the unboxings I've seen, the rulebook looks no worse than the softback ones that come in most starter sets. There looks to be some awesome artwork in their too, and I am so, so glad they're using the FW style armour/weapon pics rather than the ones in the new codexes that look to have been completed using Microsoft Paint's 'fill area' tool...


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Post by: Jollydevil


shade1313 wrote:
 Jollydevil wrote:
Well that was a dumb mistake.
"Your order just shipped"
I shouldve just ordered from my store :l


Yeah, past experience has taught me that if I preorder directly from GW, I get my stuff about a week after it's released in stores.

I remember the days when GW would ship pre-orders up to a week before they hit stores, to try to get it to you as close to release day as possible.

Thats what i expected would happen. Shouldve just ordered in store.


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Post by: shade1313


Muhahahaha!

I found out the other day that I had enough loyalty "XP" at my other FLGS to get a $125 store credit, so I got that fifth set I was strongly contemplating for a whopping $25 plus tax.

And that after the first four were gotten for 20% off.


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Post by: Tactical_Spam


I get all my citidel stuff for 20% off. I hope to get this for 120$ and build a 2000 point list (Take that FW...) Ill probably buy tanks from FW though... like that smexy new Dreadnaught


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Post by: giantearlessgnome


 Paradigm wrote:
 giantearlessgnome wrote:
 Slinky wrote:
BaC feels professionally done to me - The assembly instructions are very nicely done!


I agree, the whole thing (except the rulebook) feels like quality... even the cardboard used for the box!!! Not that that is really something worth shouting about..


From the unboxings I've seen, the rulebook looks no worse than the softback ones that come in most starter sets. There looks to be some awesome artwork in their too, and I am so, so glad they're using the FW style armour/weapon pics rather than the ones in the new codexes that look to have been completed using Microsoft Paint's 'fill area' tool...


Yep, its the same as the lets say Dark Vengeance, but for me within the whole package its a bit of a let down. I guess mainly because it looks like its been stylised after the FW HH books so I was expecting a bit more in terms of fluff (lets face it the rules are simple it probably only really warranted a quick reference sheet).

But ultimately, for me, its a minor niggle in what is a great package.


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Post by: shade1313


 Tactical_Spam wrote:
I get all my citidel stuff for 20% off. I hope to get this for 120$ and build a 2000 point list (Take that FW...) Ill probably buy tanks from FW though... like that smexy new Dreadnaught


Oh gods, I've just been thinking in terms of building a nice, big core for my Alpha Legion, and not even considered what it'll all make, points wise, even before I fill the army out with other units.


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Post by: Tactical_Spam


 giantearlessgnome wrote:
 Paradigm wrote:
 giantearlessgnome wrote:
 Slinky wrote:
BaC feels professionally done to me - The assembly instructions are very nicely done!


I agree, the whole thing (except the rulebook) feels like quality... even the cardboard used for the box!!! Not that that is really something worth shouting about..


From the unboxings I've seen, the rulebook looks no worse than the softback ones that come in most starter sets. There looks to be some awesome artwork in their too, and I am so, so glad they're using the FW style armour/weapon pics rather than the ones in the new codexes that look to have been completed using Microsoft Paint's 'fill area' tool...


Yep, its the same as the lets say Dark Vengeance, but for me within the whole package its a bit of a let down. I guess mainly because it looks like its been stylised after the FW HH books so I was expecting a bit more in terms of fluff (lets face it the rules are simple it probably only really warranted a quick reference sheet).

But ultimately, for me, its a minor niggle in what is a great package.


Considering I only have to pay a huge fraction of what they want me to pay (I swear, that much stuff from forgeworld wouldve been around 270£ or so) its practically a steal


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shade1313 wrote:
 Tactical_Spam wrote:
I get all my citidel stuff for 20% off. I hope to get this for 120$ and build a 2000 point list (Take that FW...) Ill probably buy tanks from FW though... like that smexy new Dreadnaught


Oh gods, I've just been thinking in terms of building a nice, big core for my Alpha Legion, and not even considered what it'll all make, points wise, even before I fill the army out with other units.


Convert the chaplain into a primarch and youll easily get 2000 points.


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Post by: shade1313


 Tactical_Spam wrote:



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shade1313 wrote:
 Tactical_Spam wrote:
I get all my citidel stuff for 20% off. I hope to get this for 120$ and build a 2000 point list (Take that FW...) Ill probably buy tanks from FW though... like that smexy new Dreadnaught


Oh gods, I've just been thinking in terms of building a nice, big core for my Alpha Legion, and not even considered what it'll all make, points wise, even before I fill the army out with other units.


Convert the chaplain into a primarch and youll easily get 2000 points.


Way over 2000. Remember the one I picked up today for $25 was my fifth box. When I said "a nice, big core...", I did mean BIG.


But, I do like the idea of converting one of my many chaplains into a stand in for Alpharius until FW gets to him.


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Post by: Tactical_Spam


Use all of the Termie praetors and make another squad of terminators or Lythaen's... Then make 3 of the Chaplains into a bodyguard for Alpharius... or Omegon... I dont remember which


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Post by: shade1313


 Tactical_Spam wrote:
Use all of the Termie praetors and make another squad of terminators or Lythaen's... Then make 3 of the Chaplains into a bodyguard for Alpharius... or Omegon... I dont remember which


Neat ideas. I have other notions of what I"m doing with some bits, though. Not EVERY bit of the boxes is going to AL.

For instance, one squad of Cataphracts are going to my Deathwing army. So is one Contemptor. Another Contemptor is going to my 40k Salamanders, or perhaps to LotD if I fancy that instead.

It's the tacs that are all spoken for as AL.

4 20 man tac blobs
1 ML squad
1 HB squad
1 of Headhunters
1 Veteran squad
1 each tactical support squad of flamers, melta, and plasma


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Post by: Januine


Well, looks like South Korea is sold out of BaC!! Our (one and only) flgs ordered in excess of the 70 copies and is totally sold out as of a few days ago on the pre-orders.


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Post by: Kanluwen


 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Interesting that my local (and thus all others in the UK I assume?) are running this scheme:



Is GW actively trying to grow the community?

It's also in the US.


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Post by: H.B.M.C.


It's a good idea. It's a pathetic amount given GW's absurd prices and high barrier to entry, but it is a good idea.


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Post by: Kanluwen


It's a neat little idea, and it might help with people who come in and end up buying a starter box between the two of them.


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Post by: Tactical_Spam


For what they give you in the starter box, I think Gw is listen to its customers


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Post by: Breotan


 Kanluwen wrote:
 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Interesting that my local (and thus all others in the UK I assume?) are running this scheme:



Is GW actively trying to grow the community?

It's also in the US.

What the hell is someone putting into the water over in Nottingham?



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Post by: Accolade


 Tactical_Spam wrote:
For what they give you in the starter box, I think Gw is listen to its customers


I think they're listening to their somewhat dwindling bottom line

But still, definitely positive development.


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Post by: timetowaste85


It honestly feels like GW is trying to turn over a new leaf! Didn't think I'd see it happen.


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


Watch, they balance this out by giving their entire product range a 10% price increase. I wish I had a friend to introduce to the game. No one really needs the contents of any of the new starters sets either. It does make not getting the BaC boxed set a little difficult though.


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Post by: Kanluwen


 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Watch, they balance this out by giving their entire product range a 10% price increase. I wish I had a friend to introduce to the game. No one really needs the contents of any of the new starters sets either. It does make not getting the BaC boxed set a little difficult though.

Battle of Calth does not apply.

It's Dark Vengeance and Age of Sigmar only.


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


 Kanluwen wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Watch, they balance this out by giving their entire product range a 10% price increase. I wish I had a friend to introduce to the game. No one really needs the contents of any of the new starters sets either. It does make not getting the BaC boxed set a little difficult though.

Battle of Calth does not apply.

It's Dark Vengeance and Age of Sigmar only.
Ah. So no real loss for me, then. I guess if I wanted to start a Chaos army, I could get DV.


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Post by: Stormwall


I don't suppose I could post here about trading Contemptor arms/guns?

I would and probably should go to the swap shop but that seems like a lot of effort to trade a single bit for a bit.


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Post by: Jollydevil


I was going to paint iron warriors, but Im not so sure now...
Anyone painted them before who could tell me whether theyre really boring to paint or not? With all that straight silver it seems like itd be really hard to make them actually come out nicely and not... super super bland
Thoughts?
The alternative is Emperors Children


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Post by: ImAGeek


 Jollydevil wrote:
I was going to paint iron warriors, but Im not so sure now...
Anyone painted them before who could tell me whether theyre really boring to paint or not? With all that straight silver it seems like itd be really hard to make them actually come out nicely and not... super super bland
Thoughts?
The alternative is Emperors Children


Weathering is one way you can make it more interesting. Things like oil washes and stuff. Plus they have like a brassy coloured trim and the yellow and black hazard stripes if you're into that and black details, they're no less varied to paint than most of the other legions.


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Post by: BrotherGecko


 Jollydevil wrote:
I was going to paint iron warriors, but Im not so sure now...
Anyone painted them before who could tell me whether theyre really boring to paint or not? With all that straight silver it seems like itd be really hard to make them actually come out nicely and not... super super bland
Thoughts?
The alternative is Emperors Children


About to start painting up mine as Iron Warriors.

I've got about 8k of Necrons that are mostly gun metal. Its not so bad really. Its no less exciting as any other color to be honest.


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Post by: Stormonu


 Breotan wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Interesting that my local (and thus all others in the UK I assume?) are running this scheme:



Is GW actively trying to grow the community?

It's also in the US.

What the hell is someone putting into the water over in Nottingham?



Perhaps they're dilluting the kool-aid.

I do find it ironic that in the picture, it looks like the blue marine is about to stab the other one in the back/side.


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Post by: angelofvengeance


Nah it's artwork from an Armageddon novel. Celestial Lions marine and Grimaldus fighting back to back against the Orks.


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Post by: Rick_1138


Picked up my box on friday night after work (Mail order)

What a lvely thing, good quality cardboard box, rammed with sprues, and multi part plastic heresy marines.

Now to go through the FW rules and see what i want to do with them as Imperial Fists. Though i need the 'codex' for legion armies....


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Post by: Verviedi


Hey! GW acknowledged the existence of the Celestial Lions in an-

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-Advertisement?! I know I heard my FLGWS' manager handing them out, but I never saw how advertisementy the flyers were, or even saw them at all!


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Post by: Samurai_Eduh


Has anyone who ordered one of the forgeworld bundles recieved a shipment email yet?


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Post by: alphaecho


 Verviedi wrote:
Hey! GW acknowledged the existence of the Celestial Lions in an-

++CANNOT PARSE INPUT++
++SEARCHING NOOSPHERE FOR TERM DEFINITION...++
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++DEFINITION FOUND. UPDATE LIBRARY?++
++Y++
++DEFINITION ADDED SUCCESSFULLY++

-Advertisement?! I know I heard my FLGWS' manager handing them out, but I never saw how advertisementy the flyers were, or even saw them at all!


Its not widespread but GW do advertise., I've only seen them in the UK magazine 'SFX', but that mag regularly advertises Black Library books and for the last 3 issues has had a double page Age of Sigmar spread.


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Post by: krazynadechukr


Is it true that they are in fact bringing squats back? This was being (seriously) discussed at my local GW store Saturday (by the manager).


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Post by: Alpharius


 krazynadechukr wrote:
Is it true that they are in fact bringing squats back? This was being (seriously) discussed at my local GW store Saturday (by the manager).


Where did you hear this?

I think the patrons and staff at your local bar GW might be a bit...confused?


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Post by: Death By Monkeys


Erm. I mean, they're already possible with the Imperial Militia rules in Tempest. But GW or FW produce models? I'm doubting it.


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Post by: Zuul


My first exposure to GW was in an issue of Previews from 1998. I know it's more of a comic shop distributor catalogue, but it sort of counts as adversing, right?


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Post by: shade1313


So much awesome...but so much work ahead of me.

Equal parts and



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Post by: ImAGeek


 krazynadechukr wrote:
Is it true that they are in fact bringing squats back? This was being (seriously) discussed at my local GW store Saturday (by the manager).


Someone had made a fake flyer that said Squats were coming back, but it also had things like a 80% price cut and swearing in the flyer so it was clearly a fake.

Found it, spoilered for language:
Spoiler:


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Post by: Matt.Kingsley


@ shade1313:
Have fun putting those 5 (it is 5, right?) boxes together. Are you going to all paint them up as the same Legion or as several different ones?


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Post by: ORicK


Love the flyer!

And i actually AM brining squats back :-)
I am going to finally paint mine together with the Heresy models.


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Post by: Thanatos73


shade1313 wrote:
So much awesome...but so much work ahead of me.

Equal parts and



That is amazing. I'm still waiting on my one box to get here.


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Post by: Januine


sooo much spure...........


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Post by: Nevelon


I’ve already got the HQs and the dread assembled and primed. Working on the tacticals now. It’s been a while since I’ve had this much fun putting stuff together.

Game looks like it should be fun to play as well. One thing that was troubling me was if I should bother making sure I had “optimal” gear modeled for if I played the actual game. But it looks like they did a decent job keeping everything balanced. Shocking. So I’m just building what fits for 30/40k


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Post by: Samurai_Eduh


Just got notice my Dark Angels task force shipped from FW. Can't wait to get in on the Heresy action!


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Post by: nudibranch


Just to warn you guys, some of the weapon packs - namely, the heavy flamer, plasma gun and volkite charger packs - are all listed as unavailable. This could possibly mean that GW will be producing their own special weapon sets. Orrrrr it could mean that if you want some legion support squads, buy them now.


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Post by: UNCLEBADTOUCH


Apparently they are changing them to be plastic compatible


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Post by: nudibranch


UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
Apparently they are changing them to be plastic compatible


Ah, so molded on hands. Gotcha.


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Post by: Tagony


Samurai I hear you! I'm waiting to order my DA packs for when they release the their book. I'm hoping for lots of HQ/Elite models. I don't know how I'm going to paint them yet, hopefully the book will have some alternate 30k paint schemes.


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Post by: Samurai_Eduh


 Tagony wrote:
Samurai I hear you! I'm waiting to order my DA packs for when they release the their book. I'm hoping for lots of HQ/Elite models. I don't know how I'm going to paint them yet, hopefully the book will have some alternate 30k paint schemes.


I'm probably going to use the markings and scheme found in the Rogue Trader book.


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Post by: Slinky


I was re-reading my old RT book recently - there's an interesting bit about the "feast of Malediction" celebrated by the Dark Angels


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Post by: shade1313


 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
@ shade1313:
Have fun putting those 5 (it is 5, right?) boxes together. Are you going to all paint them up as the same Legion or as several different ones?


The bulk of that (all of the tacticals, two or more of the terminators, some of the characters, and three of the Contemptors) are going to be Alpha Legion.

One squad of Cataphractii to my Deathwing. One Contemptor to my 40k Salamaders. I'll find something to do with leftover characters and assorted leftover termies.

I already have a FW preheresy Salamanders army in work.


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Post by: timd


 Samurai_Eduh wrote:
 Tagony wrote:
Samurai I hear you! I'm waiting to order my DA packs for when they release the their book. I'm hoping for lots of HQ/Elite models. I don't know how I'm going to paint them yet, hopefully the book will have some alternate 30k paint schemes.


I'm probably going to use the markings and scheme found in the Rogue Trader book.


Cool. My DA have always been black with markings per the Rogue Trader book. GW got a big FU from me when they changed the color to green.

T


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Post by: bubber


The green colour was a mistake - the artist for the Epic expansion Space Marine was supposed to do the marines black but they ended up green.


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Post by: Tagony


Ah OK, I might go the rogue trader version also. Thanks for the info!


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Post by: kronk


 BrotherGecko wrote:
 Jollydevil wrote:
I was going to paint iron warriors, but Im not so sure now...
Anyone painted them before who could tell me whether theyre really boring to paint or not? With all that straight silver it seems like itd be really hard to make them actually come out nicely and not... super super bland
Thoughts?
The alternative is Emperors Children


About to start painting up mine as Iron Warriors.

I've got about 8k of Necrons that are mostly gun metal. Its not so bad really. Its no less exciting as any other color to be honest.


After putting on the silver, use some Nuln Oil wash, and then edge highlight in silver again.

Then pick some Forge World Weathering Powders to add corrosion/rust around the legs/feet. Maybe dirt and mud, as they are the "sapper" legion.


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Post by: reds8n


Some solid advice there indeed.


AS this is now out and in out collective grubby mitts gonna close this.

If any new rumours or events occur a new thread can spring forth.