Only 3 in Canada! US, Germany, Spain, France have a ton of stores. It's an interesting list, because you can see what stores sell a lot of GW stuff, or at least, think they'll sell a lot of the HH box -- and what areas of the world stores feel confident enough in GW sales to make that kind of investment
Incidentally, the store in my area got their two "free" display copies a couple of days ago, even though the email says 7th, and it looks just fantastic. The sprues are things of beauty.
Confirming rumors, the GW rep told them that this is NOT a limited run item and that there should be plenty of stock; however, should they run out, there will not be another run until early next year.
I'm reading through the rules now. There are 7 tiles that can be re arranged for the different missions. They have areas that are rubble, or impassable, doors that can be closed or open depending on the scenario.
The game uses large hexes. Anything in the hex is a unit. Units all get two tactical points at the start of a turn. Various actions take a tactical point: advance, shoot, assault, consolidate, run. Who goes first is random each turn, with alternating activation of units.
An interesting point is that some things strip points off a unit, such as critical hits from shooting. So enough shots at a hex will essential keep that unit pinned.
Up to 3 models can be in a hex, with terminators counting as two, and the dread as 3.
Special dice in the set for rolling with critical hits, shields, etc.
There are 6 missions in the book.
Frankly, although i haven't played it, it 'feels' like spacehulk in many ways.: Looks simple, but you know it will be a lot more complex when you start playing. Alternating activation of units will make things interesting.
The models are going together right now. Look awesome. Easily worth the money for the models. I'll get a better feel for the game after we play some tomorrow.
Holy cow, The Legion Devastation Force looks good. I haven't planned to buy any of the "HH: BaC" but this bundle is very appealing for I was planning to buy all that armour anyways.
Wow. If my math is right, there is very, very little savings to be had on those bundles.
Almost no savings? Screw that than.
Not surprising, really. The only savings within the bundles would be on the resin part of it, no way would Forgeworld be allowed to discount the boxed game itself.
Only 3 in Canada! US, Germany, Spain, France have a ton of stores. It's an interesting list, because you can see what stores sell a lot of GW stuff, or at least, think they'll sell a lot of the HH box -- and what areas of the world stores feel confident enough in GW sales to make that kind of investment
My favourite UK store on that list has to be 'A + M Motorcycles'. I'm fairly sure that 'Snim Stuff' is actually 'SnM Stuff', who are amazing, shame GW can't be bothered to get their name right.
Ahtman wrote: I am going to make them into Crimson Fists and no one can stop me. NO ONE
I'm doing the same. Currently painting Polux up now for my founding of the CF project!
they did a great job on that Word Bearers Contemptor...
when you look at the 360 view, you can see that the legs are sculpted in a striding pose...
it doesn't show from the front, but looks good from the side...
just a small turn at the waist will really save the look of his legs...
good stuff...
Oh man, I'm giddy to see this in person. I know nothing about 30k outside of the fluff, so I'm just happy there's a comparably affordable and easy way to start.
I'm very pleased with the details of the Cataphractii armor. Particularly, they did a great job at rendering the banded armor construction on the rear legs. I think that's very promising, if they turn their attention to Mk 3 later on.
The Mk 4 armor also looks great. Does it lack the sharpness that comes with being able to do undercuts, such as behind the knee plates? Yes. But it looks a ton better and sharper than many of the other plastic kits I've seen over the years.
The one real visual detractor that remains, in the stock sculpts, are the exhaust shrouds on the Contemptor and the holes in it...but that's easily fixed.
shade1313 wrote: I'm very pleased with the details of the Cataphractii armor. Particularly, they did a great job at rendering the banded armor construction on the rear legs. I think that's very promising, if they turn their attention to Mk 3 later on.
The Mk 4 armor also looks great. Does it lack the sharpness that comes with being able to do undercuts, such as behind the knee plates? Yes. But it looks a ton better and sharper than many of the other plastic kits I've seen over the years.
The one real visual detractor that remains, in the stock sculpts, are the exhaust shrouds on the Contemptor and the holes in it...but that's easily fixed.
I couldn't agree more with the *back* of the Cataphracti. The attention to detail there is superb. If they turn their attention to Mk3 next year, I'll go nuts all over again. LOL.
The Contemptor is my least favorite model in the box; maybe it can be modified to something I like more, maybe not. I won't complain either way, because there's so much other really beautiful stuff in Calph that I simply choose to not get hung up on it.
You have enough tiles. If there are two things I've seen you post pics of over the years that you have enough of, it's game board tiles and superheavy tanks! You have to stop before a loved one calls the Hoarders TV show on you!
Doh. I was just at my hobby shop today and could have sniped some close-ups. If there's nothing by Monday, I'll swing by there and take some decent photos of the tiles. They look good, and are part of the reason I'm buying more than 2 sets (I love the heroes too).
After browsing the New Zeland website I'm convinced it's just a country full of people wearing clothes made of money and they all have houses constructed of solid metal coinage.
Mr.Church13 wrote: After browsing the New Zeland website I'm convinced it's just a country full of people wearing clothes made of money and they all have houses constructed of solid metal coinage.
There's no other explanation for the prices.
The price equates to $205 USD, so $55 USD upcharge because Kiwis.
Mr.Church13 wrote:After browsing the New Zeland website I'm convinced it's just a country full of people wearing clothes made of money and they all have houses constructed of solid metal coinage.
There's no other explanation for the prices.
I wish, i think i might have been the only one who preordered it at my local gw today, and i could only just afford it.
As to the game it's not bad at all. Models are nice though the terminators were lacking compared to my memory of the forge world ones(no side by side) but i think it might have been the lack of undercuts.
Mr.Church13 wrote: After browsing the New Zeland website I'm convinced it's just a country full of people wearing clothes made of money and they all have houses constructed of solid metal coinage.
There's no other explanation for the prices.
But then if New Zealanders bought models they would be naked or have leaky roofs
There's even a prize from Forgeworld (excluding Australia).
"Buy this bundle now and you could win one of five Fire Raptor Gunships!
Buy any bundle that includes The Horus Heresy: Betrayal at Calth by 30th November 2015 and you'll be entered into a prize draw to win one of five Fire Raptor Gunships!"
Spacewolverine wrote: All's I have to say is Kudos to Forgeworld for the caveat of sets to go with it. Good to see FW and GW doing things in conjunction! Super stoked!
At least one branch of the company capitalizes on success.
I am now tempted to wait on this set and see if a Thousand Sons one shows up when FW finally get round to making those kits. Maybe I'll shot them an email, they're usually good at answering stuff like that.
Mr.Church13 wrote:After browsing the New Zeland website I'm convinced it's just a country full of people wearing clothes made of money and they all have houses constructed of solid metal coinage.
There's no other explanation for the prices.
I wish, i think i might have been the only one who preordered it at my local gw today, and i could only just afford it.
As to the game it's not bad at all. Models are nice though the terminators were lacking compared to my memory of the forge world ones(no side by side) but i think it might have been the lack of undercuts.
I just spent some time comparing the close-up shot, 360 spin Cataphractii sergeant picture to my FW Cataphracts. It really is remarkable how well they appear to have done the plastics. You notice VERY small details that are subtly changed, such as the placement of the studs on the backs of the legs that are near the heavier front plates on the resin are closer to the plates on the plastic, directly abutting them so that they can be present without the undercuts. The upper leg plates are slightly different. There are small areas where the lack of undercuts make a bit a tiny bit more chunky, such as the leg that's molded in one piece vs. as two with a join at the knee, or the little mini shield shaped piece at the center of the breastplate being just a bit thicker, again due to undercuts. Really, in comparing the mini in my hand to what I see on the screen, they did a stellar job.
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This is quite fascinating. I also just found a match to the decorative embellishments at the top of the Contemptor's kneed pads and frontal pelvis.
I thought that the FW bundles might be a good deal for us Aussies, but really it just doubles the price for a bunch of torsos, heads and shoulder pads.
Thraxas Of Turai wrote: Interesting that one of the bigger UK shops, Element Games has this in their email:
"4.) This set is only going to be available to us once! Once it's gone it's gone."
So possibly a one shot deal for other retailers and then GW will sell it direct only?
Words to the same effect from The Outpost and Wayland in their newsletters. Could simply be a case that GW hasn't confirmed there will be a second run so they're just covering themselves in case there isn't, or it could be like you say and it'll be going Direct Only in future (or not reprinted at all!)
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Crazyterran wrote: It looks like you are only going to get two plasma/meltaguns per box?
Means you need three (or to trade with someone) to be able to make a support squad.
There's one on each Tactical sprue, the box has 3 Tactical sprues, so you get 3 in the set.
Yeah... with that price no way I'm touching it just for a select few models. Gonna see how much the termines, the chaplain and the Contemptor each cost on ebay or something.
The kits are a shame really. A single Heavy Flamer for the Termy sprue? Two heavy weapons and no other options besides HB and Missile Launcher.
They could do so much more than that.
The Contemptor and the two characters are fine - they're starter box sprues - but the Termies and Marines are what will be retail kits, and they're like the kits of old - tons and tons of gaps, missing loads of options.
H.B.M.C. wrote: The kits are a shame really. A single Heavy Flamer for the Termy sprue? Two heavy weapons and no other options besides HB and Missile Launcher.
They could do so much more than that.
I was surprised when the first pics of the sprues emerged and they weren't monopose snap-fits.
The kit looks to include a heavy bolter, missile launcher, flamer, meltagun and combi-weapons. That's in line with the plastic MkVII tactical sprues (no plasmagun option, but added heavy bolter option), for a bundle that means they're cheaper than the regular tacticals.
Could they have done more? Maybe, but the sprue looks pretty jam-packed to me.
Related note - pre-ordered mine at a price of £75 on arrival from Wargames Emporium in Sheffield (UK).
Just pre-ordered mine at FLGS and had a chance to have a look at the game itself and the models. The models, especially the chaplain and termies are impressive.
Rules seem to be interesting, from what we were discussing it looks like a mix of bloodbowl/space hulk. Looked like fun, not sure on the mileage though.
Had a close look at the contemptor and it looks smaller than my FW contemptor. Could just be my eyes deceiving me, when I get it assembled ill put them side by side to truly check!
Just to point out, the tacticals do have a plasma gun. The boxed set has 3 of each special and heavy weapons (plasma gun, meltagun, flamer, heavy bolter, missile launcher.) If you buy two boxes, you'll have enough special weapons for three support squads and two heavy support squads.
How tied are you to the scenarios? Is there any army selection? Does it mater what wargear you use?
Are the scenarios more like space hulk, with fixed forces, or 40k eternal battles, where there is a lot of flex on what hits the table?
With all the options on the sprues, I wonder if there are fixed builds you need to actually play. ie does it matter if you go shooty or CC for the terminators? You can only build them one or the other (barring magnets).
nudibranch wrote:Just to point out, the tacticals do have a plasma gun. The boxed set has 3 of each special and heavy weapons (plasma gun, meltagun, flamer, heavy bolter, missile launcher.) If you buy two boxes, you'll have enough special weapons for three support squads and two heavy support squads.
Paradigm wrote:@Crystal Maze: There's definitely a plasmagun on the sprue, take a look at the assembled pics.
Spoke too soon; there is indeed a plasmagun as well. Even better
Has anybody had a chance to take a better look at the tiles? The space hulk tiles have proved incredibly useful for INQ28 gaming - I was wondering if these tiles might not provide a decent 'cave system' gaming surface for INQ28 too.
WHat kind of area do they cover?
H.B.M.C. wrote: The Contemptor and the two characters are fine - they're starter box sprues - but the Termies and Marines are what will be retail kits, and they're like the kits of old - tons and tons of gaps, missing loads of options.
I don't think we even know if any other weapons exist in the game. From what I saw, the units seem to have fixed card entries?
And if people are buying this stuff to play proper FW 30k, well then, that's what FW is theoretically for, right? Maybe for once GW isn't trying to murder its more successful child.
I'll also point out that 1) only having one of each special weapon is just a GW thing. It's annoying but it's consistent, and 2). GW probably don't want to cannibalise FW's sales too hard. You can buy the (pretty expensive) special/heavy weapons (and the corresponding squad in terms of the shoulder mounted weapons) from FW, though you'll need to do a bit of converting as the hands are modeled onto the bolters. Also, these are a cheaper option if you don't mind them being somewhat anachronistic: http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Space-Marine-Plasma-Gunshttp://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Space-Marine-Meltaguns
Continual complaints of 'not enough' heavy/special weapons to kit out squads as mono-builds always risks GW dropping a little ret-con into the next codex saying that such squads are never run as mono-builds and must have a mix if weapons for 'flexibility on the battlefield'
The models look great but is it really a limited game like Space Hulk? So once it's sold out it's gone? Or will the minis be available separately too? I always wanted to rebuild my marine army with the FW models, but I'd rather use these new plastics... but I have so much on my plate right now i probably wouldn't be able to get to it for another 6 months or so
H.B.M.C. wrote: The Contemptor and the two characters are fine - they're starter box sprues - but the Termies and Marines are what will be retail kits, and they're like the kits of old - tons and tons of gaps, missing loads of options.
I don't think we even know if any other weapons exist in the game. From what I saw, the units seem to have fixed card entries?
And if people are buying this stuff to play proper FW 30k, well then, that's what FW is theoretically for, right? Maybe for once GW isn't trying to murder its more successful child.
That's pretty much my take on it. In fact the description of the game on the store page says you can arm the models however you want and paint them however you want, like it's not relevant, which is... well, interesting, at least.
From my POV it's a great way to get loads of bodies for much cheaper than you would from FW, and you do get a sprinkling of special options - but if you want enough to build 10-man support squads or whatever, or you want Legion bling, then you're still going to be looking at the Forge World upgrade kits. I'm happy with that. Surely they'd be mad to trade us down any more than they already are!
HBMC definitely has a point though - there are big gaps on the sprues, that they would normally fill with bling on modern plastic kits. I can only assume they're not doing that so as to not cannibalize the forge world sales too much, or maybe because there will be plastic upgrades to come or something... they did just do plastic 40k chapter upgrade sprues and they were awesome.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Continual complaints of 'not enough' heavy/special weapons to kit out squads as mono-builds always risks GW dropping a little ret-con into the next codex saying that such squads are never run as mono-builds and must have a mix if weapons for 'flexibility on the battlefield'
just be careful what you ask for,
I'm pretty sure GW doesn't listen to us, or any of its customers.
They tell us what we want to buy, remember?
So if that happens, well, it was going to happen regardless!
Definitely using these for Minoraurs, although may have to get another contemptor for another pose. How is the Minotaur one game wise? gak or worth it just for the look?
Silly question also but which IA has the contemptor rules for regular 40k games?
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Continual complaints of 'not enough' heavy/special weapons to kit out squads as mono-builds always risks GW dropping a little ret-con into the next codex saying that such squads are never run as mono-builds and must have a mix if weapons for 'flexibility on the battlefield'
just be careful what you ask for,
I'm pretty sure GW doesn't listen to us, or any of its customers.
They tell us what we want to buy, remember?
So if that happens, well, it was going to happen regardless!
The emperor is always watching,
but only takes account of negative suggestions (you'd be grumpy too if you'd been locked in a glorified porta-potty for 10 millennia)
The more I look at the sprues, the more impressed I am. They're VERY full with bits, and while you might argue a bit with the exact breakdown of weapons (particularly, a lot of people would like more heavy options than ML and HB), they cover a lot of what's common between 30k and 40k, and it looks extremely easy to convert to use any of the available HH heavy or support weapons with these.
Only having a heavy flamer for the termies is a bit of a miss, though. If there is an iconic terminator weapon from that time period, it's the Reaper Autocannon.
Of course, it's not too hard to cut the tips of the flamer off and add gun barrels, instead.
The autocannon is a big drawback to me, the blastgun is ok, but the legions that have access to cyclones are the real winners, as well as the Salamanders and Fists who have access to shields.
Also lol at the people complaining about bits on the sprues, what were you expecting grav guns or something?
This set is awesome, have you looked at the tactical squad in 30k? They have no options.
The special weapons are going to be great for veteran tacticals and for starting support squads and heavy support squads.
To be honest I am surprised they are including as many options as they are, as I am sure the plan is to keep pushing the resin weapon packs.
I bought three sets because these things are only going to go up in price, and I love the possibilities this offers me as far as starting another legion, expanding my current army, and starting allied detachment.
Tannhauser42 wrote: Only having a heavy flamer for the termies is a bit of a miss, though. If there is an iconic terminator weapon from that time period, it's the Reaper Autocannon.
Of course, it's not too hard to cut the tips of the flamer off and add gun barrels, instead.
I think they tried to make sure all of the weapon options would work for 30k and 40k alike.
There were, and still are, rumors of dual branded boxes for later release for use in both time periods.
Out of the whole set of sprues, the only thing I can see that couldn't be handily used in 40k is the Cataphractii grenade harness. The tacticals can be used as regular marines, Cataphractii as regular terminators, Contemptor as a regular dread, etc.
Just ordered mine! It's been a long time since I've been excited about anything GW, but Heresy era has always been my favorite part of the 40k background. My Word Bearers will be expanding greatly and maybe I can do a loyalist Iron Warriors force, although that may wait to see if Mk II/III plastics ever happen.
Now to hurry up and finish the Malifaux stuff sitting on my workbench!
I might be missing something here. But don't tactical squads in 30k just have bolters with no heavy or special weapon option available to them? Hence the support squads etc
Daston wrote: I might be missing something here. But don't tactical squads in 30k just have bolters with no heavy or special weapon option available to them? Hence the support squads etc
Yep, only the Sergeant gets options in a HH Tactical squad. However, in a Veteran Tactical Squad you have more options, and then there are the Support Squads that can equip all kinds of Special and Heavy weapons (the caveat being that I think they're all forced to have the same type within a squad).
Daston wrote: I might be missing something here. But don't tactical squads in 30k just have bolters with no heavy or special weapon option available to them? Hence the support squads etc
Normal tactical squads have no options, veteran tactical squads have all the options on the sprue. They're even listed as vet squads on the cards for the game in the box.
Daston wrote: I might be missing something here. But don't tactical squads in 30k just have bolters with no heavy or special weapon option available to them? Hence the support squads etc
Normal tactical squads have no options, veteran tactical squads have all the options on the sprue. They're even listed as vet squads on the cards for the game in the box.
Yep, tacticals are just bolter marines (with the option to take CCWs), but the sergeant does have the option to take a combi-weapon or other CC weapons. The veteran squads have the options similar to 40K tacticals (but limited to volkite, meltagun, plasmagun, heavy flamer, heavy bolter, and missile launcher)
Nephilim wrote: The two Horus Heresy books they are now advertising - are they new stories or repackaged earlier ones ?
New bookies. Not numbered alongside the heresy series they are sub stories within the context of the calth conflict. Looking good too. Got my order in this morning and get a free poster along with the books which is pretty great.
Vash108 wrote: I am going to use these to spin up a new legion. Torn between Ultras or Imp Fists. Already have Deathguard.
I'm doing the same, I would say go for something the opposite to what you play, the imp fists are a very strong legion in 30k but tend to be quite shooty like the death guard, I'm going white scars and full cc as I've got a shooty legion already,space wolves or world eaters also crossed my mind but the bikers really call out to me.
Also, if you go to that GW list of independents where you can see the game in advance, I'll bet you dollars to donuts that almost all of the stores that bought 70 copies of it will have a good deal (every store on the HH preview list bought at least 70 copies)
There is Black Friday and Boxing day around the corner too, and despite how awesome HH is, I'd be shocked if they ran out by the end of November, and guess what will go on sale then?
Question: I don't really want to get the Betrayal at Calth to represent more Crimson Fists. They would never see use since my army is falling into place now. But what other army could I make them into? I am leanIng either White Scars or Raven Guard to make use of the Kauyon book. Both are different enough from my Crimson Fists and Blood Angels. I also am considering Imperial Fists. They both play very differently than Crimson Fists and Blood Angels. Probably will do White Scars and do their version of the Gladius.
Also, if you go to that GW list of independents where you can see the game in advance, I'll bet you dollars to donuts that almost all of the stores that bought 70 copies of it will have a good deal (every store on the HH preview list bought at least 70 copies)
There is Black Friday and Boxing day around the corner too, and despite how awesome HH is, I'd be shocked if they ran out by the end of November, and guess what will go on sale then?
Do you have a link to the list of independents that'll carry the HH set? Hopefully MeepleMart will have it a decent discount
California sales tax almost killed the discount, but that's ok...
lots of shiny new minis will be in my hands soon...
time to wolf these bad boys up a little...
after ten layers of beautiful grey gradiants, they will be the same color as they are on the sprue (le sigh), but with wolf tails...
can't wait!!!
Dinamarth wrote: Cheapest I've found in the USA so far is $117 shipped.
That's awesome. How about posting a link instead of just a claim?
Still, that's about 22% off, shipping included.
Ironically, the Canadian price is much cheaper for Americans. If you live near the border, it's cheaper for you to drive across with that high US dollar and get it over here.
It's $180 CAD vs $150 USD. But since $1 USD = $1.33 CAD today, the MSRP is effectively $135 USD up here. Find a place with 25% or more discount, and you're looking at USD $100 or less! And in BC you only have to be 19 for booze. So come up here and spend your money! God knows, Canadians buy tons of their stuff across the border for just about everything else Just don't gas up here, because 1 tank of gas costs about the same as a Betrayal at Calth box :X
Vash108 wrote: I am going to use these to spin up a new legion. Torn between Ultras or Imp Fists. Already have Deathguard.
I'm doing the same, I would say go for something the opposite to what you play, the imp fists are a very strong legion in 30k but tend to be quite shooty like the death guard, I'm going white scars and full cc as I've got a shooty legion already,space wolves or world eaters also crossed my mind but the bikers really call out to me.
You're right. I will dig into it a nit more. maybe ill go more towards a DS or melee army.
Dinamarth wrote: Cheapest I've found in the USA so far is $117 shipped.
That's awesome. How about posting a link instead of just a claim?
Still, that's about 22% off, shipping included.
Ironically, the Canadian price is much cheaper for Americans. If you live near the border, it's cheaper for you to drive across with that high US dollar and get it over here.
It's $180 CAD vs $150 USD. But since $1 USD = $1.33 CAD today, the MSRP is effectively $135 USD up here. Find a place with 25% or more discount, and you're looking at USD $100 or less! And in BC you only have to be 19 for booze.
Probably already mentioned but next White Dwarf has another mission in, and Visions in December has the word bearers pin badge to go with this weeks smurf one.
I'm not so sure this will end up on Black Friday sales, as more and more people see it I bet sales will accelerate. FLGS hear me already has more fully paid orders for this than any other box from GW, lot of people buying 2-4 boxes. In terms of it being limited he is saying it's limited in terms of quantity he can order and that are available this year. Sadly , because I can't afford to subsidise him to the tune of over £50, I've had to get my boxes online as he's only doing them RRP. I dont play there, otherwise I'd probably take the hit!
Ironically, the Canadian price is much cheaper for Americans. If you live near the border, it's cheaper for you to drive across with that high US dollar and get it over here.
It's $180 CAD vs $150 USD. But since $1 USD = $1.33 CAD today, the MSRP is effectively $135 USD up here. Find a place with 25% or more discount, and you're looking at USD $100 or less! And in BC you only have to be 19 for booze.
18, here in Alberta
Not to mention no provincial sales tax, making it 7% cheaper. Albertans have it good I think there was a shop that had 70+ boxes ordered in Alberta, too!
Just had a play of this in-store, the game is actually really pretty fun! Plays like a combination of X-wing and Space Hulk, in that it's a confined area with a fair amount of cover, and some throwbacks to those rules like Termis getting free shots when walking forward. The combat is more X-Wing like, as each D6 has a crit, 2 hits, 2 blocks, and 1 blank. Only did the first two missions so didn't see the WB leader or Dread in action, but the rest was pretty neat, the system is fairly streamlined.
RedFox wrote: Planning on using the box to start an Ultramarines legion army...any ideas on how i could use that chaplain ?
With simple weapon swaps, he easily becomes a standard Centurion (equivalent of a 40k Captain), and Centurions can become one of the types of Consul with varying degrees of conversion.
The Consular roles are:
Chaplain. Well, he already is one, so...
Master of Signal: Use one of the Nuncio-vox from the tac squad sprues, and add a bunch of antennae and sensor bitz to him. Maybe steal an asuspex from 40k marines for him to be looking at. He gets a bombardment once per game.
Legion Champion: Weapon swap for the cc weapon of your choice. WS 6, must issue challenges, must re-roll failed GI. UM have a legion specific weapon (axe) that may work well for him.
Librarian: Weapon swap for a force weapon
Forge Lord: Probably the hardest to convert.
Primus Medicae: Convert to have Narthecium and needle pistol. Gets VP for being near a wiped out friendly unit.
Vigilator: Mini already has a cloak to use as a base for the camelioline, maybe alter it a little and give him a bolter. he's a sniper, scout, and can sabotage the enemy
Siege Breaker: Use a tac squad nuncio-vox, and hang some kind of bombs off of his equipment and in his hand if you want the phosphex bombs. Gives Tank Hunter and Wrecker to any heavy weapons attacks in any squad he joins.
Moritat: Swap the weapons for a pair of bolt pistols, and give him some grenades. Scout and Counter-attack, Gunslinger, and he can "chain-fire", and keep on shooting each pistol until it misses. Loner.
BrookM wrote: You could always swap out the head of the maul for that of a hammer for a nice Siege Breaker or generic Centurion.
but that maul is so nice ! i kind of like the idea of a 30k ultramarine chaplain, after nikaea, I'm sure they started having those, anyone know about this?
as for the siege breaker idea, I usually don't give ranged weapons to them as i load them with phosphex bombs and the model got an aiming arm with a plasma gun...
RedFox wrote: Planning on using the box to start an Ultramarines legion army...any ideas on how i could use that chaplain ?
With simple weapon swaps, he easily becomes a standard Centurion (equivalent of a 40k Captain), and Centurions can become one of the types of Consul with varying degrees of conversion.
The Consular roles are:
Chaplain. Well, he already is one, so...
Master of Signal: Use one of the Nuncio-vox from the tac squad sprues, and add a bunch of antennae and sensor bitz to him. Maybe steal an asuspex from 40k marines for him to be looking at. He gets a bombardment once per game.
Legion Champion: Weapon swap for the cc weapon of your choice. WS 6, must issue challenges, must re-roll failed GI. UM have a legion specific weapon (axe) that may work well for him.
Librarian: Weapon swap for a force weapon
Forge Lord: Probably the hardest to convert.
Primus Medicae: Convert to have Narthecium and needle pistol. Gets VP for being near a wiped out friendly unit.
Vigilator: Mini already has a cloak to use as a base for the camelioline, maybe alter it a little and give him a bolter. he's a sniper, scout, and can sabotage the enemy
Siege Breaker: Use a tac squad nuncio-vox, and hang some kind of bombs off of his equipment and in his hand if you want the phosphex bombs. Gives Tank Hunter and Wrecker to any heavy weapons attacks in any squad he joins.
Moritat: Swap the weapons for a pair of bolt pistols, and give him some grenades. Scout and Counter-attack, Gunslinger, and he can "chain-fire", and keep on shooting each pistol until it misses. Loner.
I'm well aware of 30k rules, but thanks for the conversion ideas. The champions seem like a good one.
I'm well aware of 30k rules, but thanks for the conversion ideas. The champions seem like a good one.
Sorry, didn't know. I read your question as if it were from someone getting into 30k via this release.
I'm pondering using HH:BaC chaplains to convert up a number of Consuls. Moritat, Champion, Librarian, Saboteur, Vigilator, etc. "The Coils of the Hydra" RoW only lets me take one Consul anyway, other than Vigilators, so the common pose between all of those would be a non-issue, since they'd never be fielded together.
Interesting fact: Using Pride of the Legion, you can easily get 1500 points out of the contents of this box. Add a FW unit for your Legion, a Primarch if you fancy one and some tanks and you're sorted for a full HH list!
Some places are sold out of their allotments already. Is this game gonna be 1 and done like Space Hulk? Or will the minis be available separately in squad boxes and stuff? Or are those silly questions because it's GW and no one is allowed to know anything?
Necros wrote: Some places are sold out of their allotments already. Is this game gonna be 1 and done like Space Hulk? Or will the minis be available separately in squad boxes and stuff? Or are those silly questions because it's GW and no one is allowed to know anything?
Been mentioned that there is a Wave 2 coming after the 1st of the year.
Was confirmed by a retailer on Bartertown as well.
Joyboozer wrote: Yeah, that was weird, why ask if you're well aware?
sorry I meant asking about how tu use an UM chaplain in term of tactics and gameplay style...like what unit should i pair him with
I stick my Word Bearers Chaplains in the largest unit of CC weapon-equipped tactical marines that the points limit allows, and point them straight at something they can drown in attacks.
Its not a complex philosophy, but it works. Mileage may vary for Ultramarines.
Ironically, the Canadian price is much cheaper for Americans. If you live near the border, it's cheaper for you to drive across with that high US dollar and get it over here.
It's $180 CAD vs $150 USD. But since $1 USD = $1.33 CAD today, the MSRP is effectively $135 USD up here. Find a place with 25% or more discount, and you're looking at USD $100 or less! And in BC you only have to be 19 for booze.
18, here in Alberta
Not to mention no provincial sales tax, making it 7% cheaper. Albertans have it good I think there was a shop that had 70+ boxes ordered in Alberta, too!
Do you have a link? I don't know where to find shops that ordered 70+ boxes
Necros wrote: Some places are sold out of their allotments already. Is this game gonna be 1 and done like Space Hulk? Or will the minis be available separately in squad boxes and stuff? Or are those silly questions because it's GW and no one is allowed to know anything?
GW says they will reprint and have more sometime in January. I got 70 for my stores. Plenty left if you need one.
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If you look on the GW website, it will show stores that have the game on display this weekend. Those stores ordered 70 copies to get that benefit.
Necros wrote: Some places are sold out of their allotments already. Is this game gonna be 1 and done like Space Hulk? Or will the minis be available separately in squad boxes and stuff? Or are those silly questions because it's GW and no one is allowed to know anything?
I think this is the first step in a much larger franchise. GW is dipping its toe in the waters. When they see how well it's selling, we'll start to get separate bundles and sequel games. I fully expect Horus Heresy: Prospero, Isstvan, Terra, Phall, Thrasmas, etc..
I think this is the first step in a much larger franchise. GW is dipping its toe in the waters. When they see how well it's selling, we'll start to get separate bundles and sequel games. I fully expect Horus Heresy: Prospero, Isstvan, Terra, Phall, Thrasmas, etc..
If you are a wizard you have to make this true. That's the rule.
Necros wrote: Some places are sold out of their allotments already. Is this game gonna be 1 and done like Space Hulk? Or will the minis be available separately in squad boxes and stuff? Or are those silly questions because it's GW and no one is allowed to know anything?
I think this is the first step in a much larger franchise. GW is dipping its toe in the waters. When they see how well it's selling, we'll start to get separate bundles and sequel games. I fully expect Horus Heresy: Prospero, Isstvan, Terra, Phall, Thrasmas, etc..
Calth - Ultramarines vs. Word Bearers
Prospero - Space Wolves vs. Thousand Sons
Phall - Imperial Fists vs. Iron Warriors
Thrasmas - Dark Angels vs. Night Lords
Isstvan III - Death guard vs. World Eaters (I just put these here because they did not fit anywhere else)
Isstvan V Assault - Iron Hands and Salamanders vs. Emperor's Children
Isstvan V Betrayal - Raven guard vs. Alpha Legion
Terra - White Scars and Blood Angels vs. Sons of Horus
Something like this to include all of the legions would be nice. They could switch up the models by including some specialist units (assault and breacher squads) and new HQs. Vehicles do not fit in the theme of fighting in closed tunnels, but maybe other dread types could be included or ways of including small skimmers.
WOW! Those are gorgeous! I am actually just as excited for the gameplay as I am the minis. This reminds me of a cross between a dungeon crawl and a pvp minis game like star wars miniatures.
I always liked the alpha legion and raven guard... now I don't have to choose! Looks like I may have to scour the area for another set!
I think the tiles suffer from being hex-based and not square-based. But if you're going to put a hex grid on rectangular tiles, you need to at least orient the grid the same way on all of the tiles - these have two with the hexes aligned with the short edge and two with the hexes aligned with the long edge, which places some limitations on how you can put the board together without leaving gaps.
Necros wrote: Some places are sold out of their allotments already. Is this game gonna be 1 and done like Space Hulk? Or will the minis be available separately in squad boxes and stuff? Or are those silly questions because it's GW and no one is allowed to know anything?
I think this is the first step in a much larger franchise. GW is dipping its toe in the waters. When they see how well it's selling, we'll start to get separate bundles and sequel games. I fully expect Horus Heresy: Prospero, Isstvan, Terra, Phall, Thrasmas, etc..
Calth - Ultramarines vs. Word Bearers
Prospero - Space Wolves vs. Thousand Sons
Phall - Imperial Fists vs. Iron Warriors
Thrasmas - Dark Angels vs. Night Lords
Isstvan III - Death guard vs. World Eaters (I just put these here because they did not fit anywhere else)
Isstvan V Assault - Iron Hands and Salamanders vs. Emperor's Children
Isstvan V Betrayal - Raven guard vs. Alpha Legion
Terra - White Scars and Blood Angels vs. Sons of Horus
Something like this to include all of the legions would be nice. They could switch up the models by including some specialist units (assault and breacher squads) and new HQs. Vehicles do not fit in the theme of fighting in closed tunnels, but maybe other dread types could be included or ways of including small skimmers.
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Imperial Fists vs Iron Warriors would be a good one for Mk III sprues, plus maybe a Techmarine character? Likewise Raven Guard vs Alpha Legion would be good for Mk VI and possibly assault marine bits. It'd even be fluffy to paint them all as RG
Is there any particular legion associated with Mk V? I've always found it slightly ironic that "Heresy" armour seems to be the least popular and least well supported of all the HH kits!
Is there any particular legion associated with Mk V? I've always found it slightly ironic that "Heresy" armour seems to be the least popular and least well supported of all the HH kits!
Shattered Legions. Remember, Mk V is a sort of amalgamation on all the armour marks and only start to appear when armour shortages hit. At the moment, with the timeline Forgeworld have we're still in the opening stages of the Heresy and the Legions are still well equipped. As time goes on, I'd expect Forgeworld to release a re-done Mk V kit - remember that the Legions took whatever spares they had and just built ad-hoc armour from what they had.
I think this is the first step in a much larger franchise. GW is dipping its toe in the waters. When they see how well it's selling, we'll start to get separate bundles and sequel games. I fully expect Horus Heresy: Prospero, Isstvan, Terra, Phall, Thrasmas, etc..
Calth - Ultramarines vs. Word Bearers
Prospero - Space Wolves vs. Thousand Sons
Phall - Imperial Fists vs. Iron Warriors
Thrasmas - Dark Angels vs. Night Lords
Isstvan III - Death guard vs. World Eaters (I just put these here because they did not fit anywhere else)
Isstvan V Assault - Iron Hands and Salamanders vs. Emperor's Children
Isstvan V Betrayal - Raven guard vs. Alpha Legion
Terra - White Scars and Blood Angels vs. Sons of Horus
Something like this to include all of the legions would be nice. They could switch up the models by including some specialist units (assault and breacher squads) and new HQs. Vehicles do not fit in the theme of fighting in closed tunnels, but maybe other dread types could be included or ways of including small skimmers.
Oh, plastic Breachers would be beyond awesome! The next set needs to be Phall, and we need Breaher Marines/MkIII Armour, Tartaros Terminators with TH/SS options and maybe Rapiers in plastic too! GW, make it happen!
Stumbled across this at the weekend and after seeing contents and price my thought was FFG does this stuff way better. Not only do FFG manage to produce games with more content and cheaper, they do it whilst having to pay licence fees to the company's whose IP they use. What's GW's excuse?
GW own the IP, produce their own artwork, design & produce their own models and have a casting production line in place. If FFG can produce the Horus Heresy board game at a cheaper price then this then GW are seriously missing the point.
I've got that FFG Horus Heresy board game and while it's a quality product it's not even vaguely similar - no models, just small soft plastic playing pieces, nice board with plastic inserts, lots of cards. This is nice quality, multi-part models. Apples and oranges, really. It's true though, GW's stuff tends to be expensive. Good spot.
Warhams-77 wrote: I havent read the article but this came via Faeit - it looks like a fake, e.g. 'Chapters' are unknown to HH, aren't they? Or is this sheet for 40k?
What do you guys think?
It is said these are handed out to buyers of the box in GW shops.
Hard to tell, but that looks like a "For use in 40k" sheet - the Age of Darkness force org makes no allowances for Formations.
Can someone explain what the gameplay actually is? It says in the description that it's tunnel based, yet I can't make out what's on the tiles. If it was tunnel-based I would have expected something similar to Space Hulk.
Valkyrie wrote: Can someone explain what the gameplay actually is? It says in the description that it's tunnel based, yet I can't make out what's on the tiles. If it was tunnel-based I would have expected something similar to Space Hulk.
Tunnels can vary in size you know... that and the IoM doesn't really do small when it comes to building.
You have no idea how much I want to believe there's just one guy in GW that knew all about those errors, and just let them go through, and chuckles quietly to himself every time someone picks up one of those books...
I think this is the first step in a much larger franchise. GW is dipping its toe in the waters. When they see how well it's selling, we'll start to get separate bundles and sequel games. I fully expect Horus Heresy: Prospero, Isstvan, Terra, Phall, Thrasmas, etc..
Calth - Ultramarines vs. Word Bearers
Prospero - Space Wolves vs. Thousand Sons
Phall - Imperial Fists vs. Iron Warriors
Thrasmas - Dark Angels vs. Night Lords
Isstvan III - Death guard vs. World Eaters (I just put these here because they did not fit anywhere else)
Isstvan V Assault - Iron Hands and Salamanders vs. Emperor's Children
Isstvan V Betrayal - Raven guard vs. Alpha Legion
Terra - White Scars and Blood Angels vs. Sons of Horus
Something like this to include all of the legions would be nice. They could switch up the models by including some specialist units (assault and breacher squads) and new HQs. Vehicles do not fit in the theme of fighting in closed tunnels, but maybe other dread types could be included or ways of including small skimmers.
Oh, plastic Breachers would be beyond awesome! The next set needs to be Phall, and we need Breaher Marines/MkIII Armour, Tartaros Terminators with TH/SS options and maybe Rapiers in plastic too! GW, make it happen!
Phall does lend itself to the Calth game design. The legions are easy to make new kits for and would be in high demand. It is naturally set in the closed corridors of a ship, compatible with the style of game tiles. Please GW, make these happen.
The only problem is that I am still too poor to even afford this set. Hopefully I can get it when they do a second run next year.
BrookM wrote: Phall with plastic Breachers would be amazing.
Plastic Mk II/III would be amazing. Breachers would be easy enough to convert from there. But I certainly wouldn't complain about full plastic Breachers!
It might be cool if there were a bunch of different sets for different battles, but I kinda feel like if they did that they might start making the minis more chapter-specific. I like these because they’re kinda vanilla looking so you can paint them up to be anything. I think it would be better if they kept it as 1 main boxed game and then released new expansion packs with different units. Either as squad boxes or maybe kinda like how games like Descent put out a campaign pack with a few extra boards & monsters based on a certain theme.
Whisperer's posts about the release gives more hope for other 30k plastic releases next year he mentioned. Fair Play to him for calling this release months off!
Thought I remembered him mentioning Phall was a 2nd box coming out, but looks like he got the warzone wrong, unless the box is a carbon copy. We can forgive him though!
Looking back at the start of the other thread, can't believe it was February when we saw those sprues!
BrookM wrote: If the core game is solid enough and the follow-up game has contents and setting diverse enough from Betrayal on Calth, it will sell as well.
Absolutely BrookM.
My point was more I thought I remembered him mentioning Phall as a 2nd and different box, but just seems the name got mixed up for the Calth box. He was spot on with everything else, and gives us promise for those future 30k releases!
Here's hoping to those plastic breachers!
Been a while from the FW thread, but thanks for the HH Book info. They are mighty fine books indeed!
Dakka, Ive been out of the loop for a while now. Been wanting to start a 30K army for a long time, and now seeing this looks like a steal. If I bought it Id end up converting the box set to Iron Warriors or Emperors Children. However, I dont want to blow 150$ if it turns out this set isnt worth it. Fill me in Dakka: steal or no steal?
Looks like theyre all pretty decent quality, and they look like pretty sweet models.
Thanks Dakka, atm dont have the time to look through 56 pages XD
Just goes with the whole, make the game your own meme of GW games. Any rule is a good rule... as long as you like it! And if you don't, change it or make another.
Jollydevil wrote: Dakka, Ive been out of the loop for a while now. Been wanting to start a 30K army for a long time, and now seeing this looks like a steal. If I bought it Id end up converting the box set to Iron Warriors or Emperors Children. However, I dont want to blow 150$ if it turns out this set isnt worth it. Fill me in Dakka: steal or no steal?
Looks like theyre all pretty decent quality, and they look like pretty sweet models.
Thanks Dakka, atm dont have the time to look through 56 pages XD
Definite steal.
FW equivalent would cost around £100 just for the 30 marines & that's without any weapons or other options like sergeant's sword or pouches. Add on a dread (£50) & the termies (£40) + transfers & you're saving 50% easy. & you get a game too.
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valace2 wrote: Formations are an abomination, and the primary reason I have given up on regular 40k.
The individual who cooked that up should be flogged.
There is no scenario where I could ever envision 30k formations.
Agreed. They really complex too especially when they talk about detachments & formations in the same sentence like in the Khorne dex.
Jollydevil wrote: Dakka, Ive been out of the loop for a while now. Been wanting to start a 30K army for a long time, and now seeing this looks like a steal. If I bought it Id end up converting the box set to Iron Warriors or Emperors Children. However, I dont want to blow 150$ if it turns out this set isnt worth it. Fill me in Dakka: steal or no steal?
Looks like theyre all pretty decent quality, and they look like pretty sweet models.
Thanks Dakka, atm dont have the time to look through 56 pages XD
Definite steal.
FW equivalent would cost around £100 just for the 30 marines & that's without any weapons or other options like sergeant's sword or pouches. Add on a dread (£50) & the termies (£40) + transfers & you're saving 50% easy. & you get a game too.
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valace2 wrote: Formations are an abomination, and the primary reason I have given up on regular 40k.
The individual who cooked that up should be flogged.
There is no scenario where I could ever envision 30k formations.
Agreed. They really complex too especially when they talk about detachments & formations in the same sentence like in the Khorne dex.
I added it up weeks ago -
Artificier Armor Centurion, Cataphractii Terminator Praetor £33.00 For the set of two
Mk IV Maximus Marine Squad (x10) £48 plus £24 for the bolters
Mk IV Maximus Marine Squad (x10) £48 plus £24 for the bolters
Mk IV Maximus Marine Squad (x10) £48 plus £24 for the bolters
Cataphractii Terminator Squad (x5) £35 ea plus £17 for the weapons
Contemptor Dreadnought £33 ea (minus arms), plus £9.5 an arm x4
Coming out to a grand total of:
£372 = $568.00!!!
and at $150 a box.......that's a 74% savings compared to FW models
& depending on how you make the force, one box is 1100-1300 points!
Jollydevil wrote: Dakka, Ive been out of the loop for a while now. Been wanting to start a 30K army for a long time, and now seeing this looks like a steal. If I bought it Id end up converting the box set to Iron Warriors or Emperors Children. However, I dont want to blow 150$ if it turns out this set isnt worth it. Fill me in Dakka: steal or no steal?
Looks like theyre all pretty decent quality, and they look like pretty sweet models.
Thanks Dakka, atm dont have the time to look through 56 pages XD
Definite steal.
FW equivalent would cost around £100 just for the 30 marines & that's without any weapons or other options like sergeant's sword or pouches. Add on a dread (£50) & the termies (£40) + transfers & you're saving 50% easy. & you get a game too.
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valace2 wrote: Formations are an abomination, and the primary reason I have given up on regular 40k.
The individual who cooked that up should be flogged.
There is no scenario where I could ever envision 30k formations.
Agreed. They really complex too especially when they talk about detachments & formations in the same sentence like in the Khorne dex.
I added it up weeks ago -
Artificier Armor Centurion, Cataphractii Terminator Praetor £33.00 For the set of two
Mk IV Maximus Marine Squad (x10) £48 plus £24 for the bolters
Mk IV Maximus Marine Squad (x10) £48 plus £24 for the bolters
Mk IV Maximus Marine Squad (x10) £48 plus £24 for the bolters
Cataphractii Terminator Squad (x5) £35 ea plus £17 for the weapons
Contemptor Dreadnought £33 ea (minus arms), plus £9.5 an arm x4
Coming out to a grand total of:
£372 = $568.00!!!
& depending on how you make the force, one box is 1100-1300 points!
That, plus, 100 more hours to clean up the resin models. Some (not all) of the plastic models are just pain better, too!
Alright thats what I thought!
Honestly its hard to believe, thats why i was a little skeptical.
Maybe GW is really trying to make a big push into FW territory and this is their "we can do it better and cheaper than you" release?
Take off £36 because 10 Tigrus bolters are only £12, not £24, and add around another £10 for some special and heavy weapons for the squads, maybe a bit more because you can only buy them in singles from bitz sellers.. It's still a blinding deal.
Jollydevil wrote: Alright thats what I thought!
Honestly its hard to believe, thats why i was a little skeptical.
Maybe GW is really trying to make a big push into FW territory and this is their "we can do it better and cheaper than you" release?
No. If GW wanted to take FW territory they'd just do it, seeing as Forge World is part of Games Workshop.
Jollydevil wrote: Alright thats what I thought!
Honestly its hard to believe, thats why i was a little skeptical.
Maybe GW is really trying to make a big push into FW territory and this is their "we can do it better and cheaper than you" release?
No. If GW wanted to take FW territory they'd just do it, seeing as Forge World is part of Games Workshop.
It's even a good deal compared to normal 40k marines too
3 10 man tactical squads = $120
5 terminators = $50
1 Dreadnought = $46
1 Terminator Leader Guy = around $30
= $246.. almost $100 savings.
So you buy it for all of those models plus a free game included in the box!
Kinda curious to see how the game works and the models get divvied up.. like, it isn't 2 even forces with 2 different leader guys and stuff like that. Or is it more the kinda thing where you paint up your whole set one way, and your friend brings his marines to play against and you end up needing 2 sets to really play it? If you were buying just this box and only playing Horus Heresy, how would you know which minis get used for which force or the other?
Necros wrote: It's even a good deal compared to normal 40k marines too
3 10 man tactical squads = $120
5 terminators = $50
1 Dreadnought = $46
1 Terminator Leader Guy = around $30
= $246.. almost $100 savings.
So you buy it for all of those models plus a free game included in the box!
Kinda curious to see how the game works and the models get divvied up.. like, it isn't 2 even forces with 2 different leader guys and stuff like that. Or is it more the kinda thing where you paint up your whole set one way, and your friend brings his marines to play against and you end up needing 2 sets to really play it? If you were buying just this box and only playing Horus Heresy, how would you know which minis get used for which force or the other?
You forgot "1 power armored monopose leader guy"
The total is more like $274, so the savings vs. the 40k equivalents is about 45%.
Also, I believe the breakdown they have for playing the HH:BaC board game is that UM get 10 tacs, the Cataphract Praetor, and the five Cataphractii terminators, WB get 20 tacs, the Chaplain, and the Contemptor.
I think GW might be doing something quite clever by releasing a few cheap(er) plastic HH kits while not cannibalising FW's sales, as it'll mean that newbies can get into HH relatively cheaply, then cash out if they want the really flashy toys.
nudibranch wrote: I think GW might be doing something quite clever by releasing a few cheap(er) plastic HH kits while not cannibalising FW's sales, as it'll mean that newbies can get into HH relatively cheaply, then cash out if they want the really flashy toys.
I think this is part of their plan as well. Release some generic Heresy marines, and watch as everyone flocks to Forge World to buy rulebooks, tanks, Legion accessories, and new weapon load-outs.
I'm forcing myself to resist the FW side until I get these minis all painted, and they're not getting painted till my Sigmarines are done. Since it will probably take me 7 years to get to that point, I'm hoping there will be more HH plastics instead
Not really planning to play 30K though, i'm gonna be building em as a regular 40k marine army. They just like wearing old armor, cuz they don't make em like they used to.
Necros wrote: It's even a good deal compared to normal 40k marines too
3 10 man tactical squads = $120
5 terminators = $50
1 Dreadnought = $46
1 Terminator Leader Guy = around $30
= $246.. almost $100 savings.
So you buy it for all of those models plus a free game included in the box!
Kinda curious to see how the game works and the models get divvied up.. like, it isn't 2 even forces with 2 different leader guys and stuff like that. Or is it more the kinda thing where you paint up your whole set one way, and your friend brings his marines to play against and you end up needing 2 sets to really play it? If you were buying just this box and only playing Horus Heresy, how would you know which minis get used for which force or the other?
You forgot "1 power armored monopose leader guy"
The total is more like $274, so the savings vs. the 40k equivalents is about 45%.
Also, I believe the breakdown they have for playing the HH:BaC board game is that UM get 10 tacs, the Cataphract Praetor, and the five Cataphractii terminators, WB get 20 tacs, the Chaplain, and the Contemptor.
What makes this box really special is that you get all new MPP sprues for a significant discount. Usually, GW's box sets have been snapfit or mostly older sprues.
Daston wrote: As these guys are compatible with the FW upgrade kits would it be crazy to assume they will be also interchangeable with standard plastic marine bits?
I plan on getting the box set in the new year with a couple of space wolf boxes and then kit bashing
nudibranch wrote: I think GW might be doing something quite clever by releasing a few cheap(er) plastic HH kits while not cannibalising FW's sales, as it'll mean that newbies can get into HH relatively cheaply, then cash out if they want the really flashy toys.
I think this is part of their plan as well. Release some generic Heresy marines, and watch as everyone flocks to Forge World to buy rulebooks, tanks, Legion accessories, and new weapon load-outs.
Yeah.
I just spent $9 (total) on Scribd for all the HH books (Vol 1-3).
Bought a new Spartan kit for $90 off ebay.
Will buy the bits I need after choosing the legion I want to do too off ebay....
So you just paid someone else who pirated the books and are bragging about it?
Mr.Church13 wrote: After browsing the New Zeland website I'm convinced it's just a country full of people wearing clothes made of money and they all have houses constructed of solid metal coinage.
There's no other explanation for the prices.
To be fair, the average basement there looks like this:
nudibranch wrote: I think GW might be doing something quite clever by releasing a few cheap(er) plastic HH kits while not cannibalising FW's sales, as it'll mean that newbies can get into HH relatively cheaply, then cash out if they want the really flashy toys.
I think this is part of their plan as well. Release some generic Heresy marines, and watch as everyone flocks to Forge World to buy rulebooks, tanks, Legion accessories, and new weapon load-outs.
Yeah.
I just spent $9 (total) on Scribd for all the HH books (Vol 1-3).
Bought a new Spartan kit for $90 off ebay.
Will buy the bits I need after choosing the legion I want to do too off ebay....
So you just paid someone else who pirated the books and are bragging about it?
Here you go, HBMC... Tiles in super high res glory. Like, 21megapixel, both sides I uploaded them onto Dakka so you can click on them and zoom in to minute detail.
Fronts:
Backs:
Note that there are 2 different hex patterns. 2 have the flat edges on the long side, and 2 on the short side. It allows you to combine them in funky shapes. Also, the fronts and backs can be mixed:
Finally -- those boards are big. They punch out of a piece of cardboard that's the same size of the box (large size box a la Dark Vengeance), and the hex board takes up most of the coardboard.
I wish GW would produce and sell a whole series of cardboard hex tiles for gaming >.<
Warhams-77 wrote: I havent read the article but this came via Faeit - it looks like a fake, e.g. 'Chapters' are unknown to HH, aren't they? Or is this sheet for 40k?
What do you guys think?
It is said these are handed out to buyers of the box in GW shops.
Kanluwen wrote: It's created by a shop for their own campaign, according to Atia on Bolter & Chainsword.
Well, Games Workshop Halle say it's from the HQ - and it is hardly created by this store (Halle = Germany - it may be originally from another shop though).
Kanluwen wrote: It's created by a shop for their own campaign, according to Atia on Bolter & Chainsword.
Well, Games Workshop Halle say it's from the HQ - and it is hardly created by this store (Halle = Germany - it may be originally from another shop though).
Kanluwen wrote: It's created by a shop for their own campaign, according to Atia on Bolter & Chainsword.
Well, Games Workshop Halle say it's from the HQ - and it is hardly created by this store (Halle = Germany - it may be originally from another shop though).
Where has that been posted?
Plus, Germany did for awhile have its own HQ.
They posted it in the image comments on their FB site.
Don't know which HQ they mean - as I said, maybe it was created by a non-German shop and just shared.
I think this is the first step in a much larger franchise. GW is dipping its toe in the waters. When they see how well it's selling, we'll start to get separate bundles and sequel games. I fully expect Horus Heresy: Prospero, Isstvan, Terra, Phall, Thrasmas, etc..
Calth - Ultramarines vs. Word Bearers
Prospero - Space Wolves vs. Thousand Sons
Phall - Imperial Fists vs. Iron Warriors
Thrasmas - Dark Angels vs. Night Lords
Isstvan III - Death guard vs. World Eaters (I just put these here because they did not fit anywhere else)
Isstvan V Assault - Iron Hands and Salamanders vs. Emperor's Children
Isstvan V Betrayal - Raven guard vs. Alpha Legion
Terra - White Scars and Blood Angels vs. Sons of Horus
Something like this to include all of the legions would be nice. They could switch up the models by including some specialist units (assault and breacher squads) and new HQs. Vehicles do not fit in the theme of fighting in closed tunnels, but maybe other dread types could be included or ways of including small skimmers.
Oh, plastic Breachers would be beyond awesome! The next set needs to be Phall, and we need Breaher Marines/MkIII Armour, Tartaros Terminators with TH/SS options and maybe Rapiers in plastic too! GW, make it happen!
Phall does lend itself to the Calth game design. The legions are easy to make new kits for and would be in high demand. It is naturally set in the closed corridors of a ship, compatible with the style of game tiles. Please GW, make these happen.
The only problem is that I am still too poor to even afford this set. Hopefully I can get it when they do a second run next year.
Phall would make a great box 2 set. Swap the Mk IV for Mk III kits, keep the cataphractii, and swap the Contemptor for a Rapier. Give Chaos the Terminator character, and make a Siegebreaker Consul the PA character.
DA vs Night Lords would make a good one as well, that battle where they captured Cruze. Keep 20 Mk IV marines, add 2x5 Mk IV Assault Marines for the Night Lords, add a 3 pack Bullock Jetbike Squad for Dark Angels, Make a larger character sprue with a jetpack character and jetbike character. Leave the Terminators and Contemptor out.
Wolfstan wrote: It's interesting that people have posted the list of contents and how much you would save compared to buying those pieces the normal way. That value is only based on what GW sell them out as, which makes it appear to be a good deal figures wise. My point still stands. FFG produced Forbidden Stars and it costs the same sort of price. Ok you don't get 40k compatible figures, but they still produced a game that has more in it than GW does even with the added expenses on top.
That isn't even comparable to Betrayal at Calth. That is a board game, BaC is a board game + a huge pile of wargaming miniatures. The latter has an incredible amount of value to a wargamer, the former does not. I have no idea how you could say it has "more in it".
This box set has broke me again. The debate that was spiraling out of control in my head has started again with what HH chapter to play. I have gotten it broke down to Night Lords or Imperial Fists.
Man, at first people were excited but now that its close to release the edge lords are finally popping up. You don't have to tell everyone that you got something completely unrelated for a lesser price because you are a better....ahh whatever.
For converter types, I noticed when I got to touch the plastic contemptor that there are some easy cut points. The waist and the hips can be cut with out difficulty to allow for new posing. The knees not so much though.
I love my blood rage minis, for vikings with axes and spears. They don't have bolters though. So this is the best value for 7 foot tall men in armor with guns.
Anyways.. speculating & wishlisting.. I haven't read any of the HH books so all I know is whatever was in the 40k rulebooks over the years.. but could there ever be a chance of other old timey races in 30k in future expansions? Like Eldar? Orcs? Squats?
Also, when it comes to 40k units & models, what would fit good in the 30k timeline? Rhinos? drop pods? knights? Or are the current models too "modern" ?
Anyways.. speculating & wishlisting.. I haven't read any of the HH books so all I know is whatever was in the 40k rulebooks over the years.. but could there ever be a chance of other old timey races in 30k in future expansions? Like Eldar? Orcs? Squats?
Also, when it comes to 40k units & models, what would fit good in the 30k timeline? Rhinos? drop pods? knights? Or are the current models too "modern" ?
At the Heresy, the Eldar and Orks are most certainly active, along with dozens of smaller alien races that the Imperium is trying to wipe out. The major campaign immediately prior to the HH is Ullanor, which saw several Legions and the Emperor and Custodes come together to take on a huge Ork force (incidentally, the leader of this force nearly bested the Emperor, it was Horus that saved him), and the Eldar are (I believe) still reeling from The Fall but are undoubtedly active, and show up in several books.
There are also many human civilisations, both within and beyond The Imperium, that are markedly different to anything in 40k. the 5th HH book from Forge World includes an army list that can cover these, and I believe it does at least hint at using it for not-Squads (as in, I think it refers to abhumans of shorter stature).
As far as 40k goes, there's a complete list somewhere but basically, as far as SM goes Drop Pods are fine, as are standard pattern Land Raiders. Not sure on Rhinos/other Rhino chassis tanks, but since there are the Demios versions from FW I'll say probably not. MkVII (ie. regular 40k) Power Armour came into use towards the end of the Heresy, the Imperial Fists were the first to get it, I think. Raven Guard got MkVI (beaky) first, then it became more widespread. Knights are fine, as are Titans.
Anyways.. speculating & wishlisting.. I haven't read any of the HH books so all I know is whatever was in the 40k rulebooks over the years.. but could there ever be a chance of other old timey races in 30k in future expansions? Like Eldar? Orcs? Squats?
Also, when it comes to 40k units & models, what would fit good in the 30k timeline? Rhinos? drop pods? knights? Or are the current models too "modern" ?
Knight models are pretty much fine.
Modern rhinos were around at the time of the heresy - there is a picture of one on page 127 of HH book 3. It explains that the mars pattern was used, and considered easily reproducable, but was also thought to be less environmentally capable than the pre-heresy deimos pattern.
This box might look like a good deal for 40k players as well, if you compare prices.
However, anyone buying lots of bolter marines and terminators for 40k is actually not making a good deal.
Thought i just mention it for perspective.
Fayric wrote: This box might look like a good deal for 40k players as well, if you compare prices.
However, anyone buying lots of bolter marines and terminators for 40k is actually not making a good deal.
Thought i just mention it for perspective.
You missed the Contemptor... they're useable in 40k too...
Fayric wrote: This box might look like a good deal for 40k players as well, if you compare prices.
However, anyone buying lots of bolter marines and terminators for 40k is actually not making a good deal.
Thought i just mention it for perspective.
Even just taking the 30 tactical marines and 5 terminators, the RRP of the box is less than the RRP of 3 boxes of Tacs and 1 box of terminators, then there are the 2 characters plus a dreadnought to take into account too.
Necros wrote: I love my blood rage minis, for vikings with axes and spears. They don't have bolters though. So this is the best value for 7 foot tall men in armor with guns.
Anyways.. speculating & wishlisting.. I haven't read any of the HH books so all I know is whatever was in the 40k rulebooks over the years.. but could there ever be a chance of other old timey races in 30k in future expansions? Like Eldar? Orcs? Squats?
Also, when it comes to 40k units & models, what would fit good in the 30k timeline? Rhinos? drop pods? knights? Or are the current models too "modern" ?
It's unlikely to see the Horus Heresy rules expand into Xenos or non-imperium human factions. Forgeworld is telling the story of the Imperial Civil War as Historic Wargaming. Having Xenos in it would be sort of like having a Mongolian Horde army show up in a game for the 100 years war. Sure they were around, but they aren't part of the story that is being told.
As for 40k models; some is exactly correct for the Heresy; the stuff that is right (that I can remember) is this:
- Drop Pods (Legion Drop Pod)-
- Knights
- Land Raiders (Land Raider Phobos)
- Dreadnoughts (Legion Dreadnought)
- Attack Bikes
Other models it depends on how your local group feels.
Well, it's conceivable that somewhere in the future, Games Workshop makes 30k xenos, but those alien races wouldn't have anything to do with humans, and the setting wouldn't be called "Horus Heresy".
One problem is that some of the races like Tau and Necron don't make any sense 10,000 years earlier (Necron sleepy time!). And Tyranid would be in the wrong galaxy. You could get a resurgence of Squats (doubtful), but the most likely culprits would be Orks, Eldar and Dark Eldar. But I mean, really, it's not like the Eldar would have been much worried about the Orks. I suppose something to do with Vect would be cool.
Another issue is that the appeal of 30k is the symmetrical nature of the forces (and thus balance). Introducing other, different forces makes that rough.
Finally, xenos simply don't have as many big, special models as Imperium, and 30k has a lot of big models
Hmm .. what about Genestealer Cults? Or was that more of a later thing? I guess Chaos marines didn't happen yet, but how about other demons, or were they still cooking at the time?
Daemons are available as Allies to Word Bearers during the Heresy. Chaos Marines were just marines back then (the heresy is what made them chaos marines). Nothing Nid hit the galaxy yet to my knowledge including the Genestealers.
Note as to Tyranids before the Heresy- There exist several dead hive-ships on various ice worlds and evidence of Tyranid life in the form of Krakens on Fenris.
well the Tyranids weren't in the galaxy yet, so genestealers wouldn't be around.
the necrons _may_ have been a little active (the fluff around one of the imperial fists campaigns kind of points toward Necrons)
In the World Bearer legion is starting to show the inclusion of Chaos with the Gal Vorbak, Zardu Layak, Mhara Gal Tainted Dreadnought, and several daemons. We can expect more as the HH Campaign continues.
The Blood Angels fight Daemons directly at Signus Prime, so that's probably where Chaos will come into it's own in the Horus Heresy.
I'm pretty excited about this kit coming out as a way of starting a legion army (I already have mechanicum).
But, I never really thought about the game that this set comes with. I don't think that I'll ever play it because I'm going to paint the entire set as Iron Warriors.
Is everyone going to look at this game once then be happy with their essentially 1000pts army like me?
Is everyone going to look at this game once then be happy with their essentially 1000pts army like me?
1500 with Pride of the Legion and some upgrades! But otherwise, yes. The tiles may well get used, like my Sedition Wars and Space Hulk ones, for Zone Mortalis or other sci-fi skirmish games, so it's not a waste.
I may give the game a go, but at least one faction will not be from this set, as that's all going in one army.
Melcavuk wrote: Daemons are available as Allies to Word Bearers during the Heresy. Chaos Marines were just marines back then (the heresy is what made them chaos marines). Nothing Nid hit the galaxy yet to my knowledge including the Genestealers.
From Warhammer 40K Wiki the first Imperial contact with genestealers were the Ymgarl Genestealers in about 500.M41, about 200 years before the first Tyranid invasion.
Turalon wrote: I'm pretty excited about this kit coming out as a way of starting a legion army (I already have mechanicum).
But, I never really thought about the game that this set comes with. I don't think that I'll ever play it because I'm going to paint the entire set as Iron Warriors.
Is everyone going to look at this game once then be happy with their essentially 1000pts army like me?
Well, my FW Salamanders legion army have all the bits to be either side in the BaC game, and the plastics will be Alpha Legion, so I can easily keep on playing it, just with different legions than the box intends.
Re Xenos in HH: Alan Bligh was asked about these & if they'd make an appearance in the HH Books. His response was that the HH period was total war of marine vs marine throughout the galaxy & the Xenos basically all hid until it was all over.
Melcavuk wrote: Daemons are available as Allies to Word Bearers during the Heresy. Chaos Marines were just marines back then (the heresy is what made them chaos marines). Nothing Nid hit the galaxy yet to my knowledge including the Genestealers.
From Warhammer 40K Wiki the first Imperial contact with genestealers were the Ymgarl Genestealers in about 500.M41, about 200 years before tho first Tyranid invasion.
Theoretically nids were present in a sense, catachan has its "possible" Nid infestation, several other world's too, this led to the theory that nids may have been to the milky way previously. Nowt certain though.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Wait, so the boards are almost the size of the box in length/width?
This will show you exactly the size compared to the box:
It's the maximum number of hexes that size you can fit on there.
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Mr.Church13 wrote: To be fair 30k orks and Eldar wouldn't be all that different even 10k years in the past.
Orks don't really improve their society or technology and Eldar are a dying race relying on tech they've had for millennia.
But unlike humans, Eldar haven't lost any of their technological know-how, and unlike all the other races, their problem isn't the technical ability to wipe out their enemies -- it's their extreme susceptibility to corruption by Chaos, and what happens to them when they die. And, almost all of them (excluding the ones of the Dark variety) have really horrible looking heads when the helmets are off. If I my head looked like an Eldar Guardian, Slaanesh would sound pretty good too.
Melcavuk wrote: Daemons are available as Allies to Word Bearers during the Heresy. Chaos Marines were just marines back then (the heresy is what made them chaos marines). Nothing Nid hit the galaxy yet to my knowledge including the Genestealers.
From Warhammer 40K Wiki the first Imperial contact with genestealers were the Ymgarl Genestealers in about 500.M41, about 200 years before tho first Tyranid invasion.
Theoretically nids were present in a sense, catachan has its "possible" Nid infestation, several other world's too, this led to the theory that nids may have been to the milky way previously. Nowt certain though.
True. I was focusing strictly on the Genestealers, but I don't really see a Horus Heresy board game focusing on the Imperial Guard versus the flora and fauna of Catachan being a bestseller in this day and age
Talys wrote: Well, it's conceivable that somewhere in the future, Games Workshop makes 30k xenos, but those alien races wouldn't have anything to do with humans, and the setting wouldn't be called "Horus Heresy".
One problem is that some of the races like Tau and Necron don't make any sense 10,000 years earlier (Necron sleepy time!). And Tyranid would be in the wrong galaxy. You could get a resurgence of Squats (doubtful), but the most likely culprits would be Orks, Eldar and Dark Eldar. But I mean, really, it's not like the Eldar would have been much worried about the Orks. I suppose something to do with Vect would be cool.
Another issue is that the appeal of 30k is the symmetrical nature of the forces (and thus balance). Introducing other, different forces makes that rough.
Finally, xenos simply don't have as many big, special models as Imperium, and 30k has a lot of big models
I think you are missing the point, it would be a great chance to show those aliens that got exterminated during the great crusade.
Orks are always there, but having an expansion revolving around the aliens on murder, or the interex (that fleet based race) or the glassy enemy the sons of horus loken fought or those snake like aliens Fulgrim fought on that slaneesh worshipping planet.
And as they are expansions to a board game they don't have to be full fledged armies. GW are you listening? free money!
From Warhammer 40K Wiki the first Imperial contact with genestealers were the Ymgarl Genestealers in about 500.M41, about 200 years before the first Tyranid invasion.
The Blood Angels got their spanking 996 M.40 (Space Hulk, 3rd edition). And if the story of Deathwing is a myth in Dark Angel folklore from the distant past even in the recent codex this snippet from a WD (I guess that's the source) is just re-retconned. I guess there're no sources stating when they came, but some 'Stealers would enrich the board tiles for sure.
the leak of the new Blood Angels character & solo releases of the assassins also seems to suggest that Betrayal at Calth may be going up in price (£115)
wonder if this is the 2nd printing and these are all due after Xmas (or yet another misprint)
It could be a typo or that's the new BaC price after the first week(s) of orders. This price list is from the December issue of Warhammer Visions, released at the end of November/early December.
It says it's a bundle of Tech-Priest and Russ. Nothing too exciting, unless the TP is new.
If the price of BAC does go up, then there's no way I'm touching it. I'm not going to support a company that adds £20 to the price of a product 'just 'cos'. Looks like I should manage to get one of the first run at the regular price, though.
Also $53 for a normal human-sized model is fething ridiculous. That's more the double than they're charging for the old Finecast Assassins one... $56 for a Space Marine is even more ridiculous (for both of them). No doubt the cost of Karlaen minis on eBay will skyrocket after his mini is re-released...
Those are some serious drugs being taken by GW for them to charge that much.
It is still $265 on their website.. Is this like the named bloodthirster where it came out then GW just sort of quietly lowered the price after we all fell to the floor in shock?
Also $53 for a normal human-sized model is fething ridiculous. That's more the double than they're charging for the old Finecast Assassins one...
$56 for a Space Marine is even more ridiculous (for both of them). No doubt the cost of Karlaen minis on eBay will skyrocket after his mini is re-released...
Those are some serious drugs being taken by GW for them to charge that much.
Can't disagree there. $53 normally buys a squad for any other game. Ridiculousness, lol.
@ jonolikespie: It'll mysteriously go up in price when the WD Visions with the repackaged Assassins/Karlaen and the new BA Chaplain goes up for sale. (So Late November/Early December? Dunno whether Visions is released at the end or the start of the month.)
Hopefully they quietly lower it again. I seriously doubt they will though.
In those days the Orks were a threat, but there was also trade. Eldar were Eldar.
But best of all: Squats were still there! :-)
Last year i thought is was about time i build my 1st edition Squat army (too many projects...)
It predominantly exists of rogue traders, engineers etc. (not the IG style troopers).
These are engineers that helped the empire design much of the imperial technogy of that time, including tanks.
Painting the Squat army went from low to high priority.
So i look forward to fielding Squats alongside my Marines :-)
In those days the Orks were a threat, but there was also trade. Eldar were Eldar.
But best of all: Squats were still there! :-)
Last year i thought is was about time i build my 1st edition Squat army (too many projects...)
It predominantly exists of rogue traders, engineers etc. (not the IG style troopers).
These are engineers that helped the empire design much of the imperial technogy of that time, including tanks.
Painting the Squat army went from low to high priority.
So i look forward to fielding Squats alongside my Marines :-)
Marketdroid: Blimey, these Horus Heresy boxes are flying off the shelves. Quick, raise the prices so we get more profit
-- month later --
Marketdroid: Hmmm, these Horus Heresy boxes aren't selling nearly enough as we'd like. Maybe they weren't as popular as those Forgeworld amateurs make out. Right, cancel the future Horus Heresy plastics as there's no point or profit here.
Edit: Good grief, I feel for you Antipodean bods. For you HH fans down under, as they say on Blackadder: "Bend over, IT'S POKER TIME!"
But seriously, current rumor talk is - and it makes sense - Games Workshop decreased the price of the box prior to release and Warhammer Visions which is produced three months in advance is actually outdated. Hyperbole aside this a quite good, rational conclusion.
Do you know the joke with the guy buying 99 bread rolls?
Your tank army photo in the Apoc Showoff thread and your mate's Eldar have put me into an army buying frenzy of epic proportions several years ago, HBMC
the leak of the new Blood Angels character & solo releases of the assassins also seems to suggest that Betrayal at Calth may be going up in price (£115)
wonder if this is the 2nd printing and these are all due after Xmas (or yet another misprint)
That terminator captain looks an aweful like Captain Karlaen from Deathstorm. : /
True. I was focusing strictly on the Genestealers, but I don't really see a Horus Heresy board game focusing on the Imperial Guard versus the flora and fauna of Catachan being a bestseller in this day and age
Sounds fething brilliant to me mate, it could be like Dungeonquest in the jungle
Can't it just be that case that it's cheaper if you pre-order?
It's common to offer perks to enthuse people to pre-order stuff. Of course it's more effective if you actually tell people that the price will be higher in normal retail, but this is GW after all, so...
Zywus wrote: Can't it just be that case that it's cheaper if you pre-order?
It's common to offer perks to enthuse people to pre-order stuff. Of course it's more effective if you actually tell people that the price will be higher in normal retail, but this is GW after all, so...
And if they didn't say up front that it was going to be a higher price when it's in shops this Saturday, they'd be potentially be open to all kinds of litigation.
Zywus wrote: Can't it just be that case that it's cheaper if you pre-order?
It's common to offer perks to enthuse people to pre-order stuff. Of course it's more effective if you actually tell people that the price will be higher in normal retail, but this is GW after all, so...
Highly improbable. It's a typo or, as people said, an "old" price that went to print before changes were made.
That said, it looks likely GW at one point planned to sell the box at this price, before somebody made the (rather sensible) decision to shave off 20 quid and stay under a hundred.
GW don't do that much limited edition, they generally do 'while stocks last'. That gives the impression something has limited availability without legally preventing them from releasing it again later.
GW don't do that much limited edition, they generally do 'while stocks last'. That gives the impression something has limited availability without legally preventing them from releasing it again later.
I'm pleased as punch, I don't want the minis being limited edition. I want the new assassins, the broodlord that came with that boxed set etc all available. In case I want to buy them...
Yeah pretty much all of their plastics will make a return. The molds cost too much to make a few copies. They release the plastic minis in limited sets with the intention of selling them around a year or two later by themselves.
We will see the terminator captain from strike force ultra and sace wolves krom again too.
Zywus wrote: Can't it just be that case that it's cheaper if you pre-order?
It's common to offer perks to enthuse people to pre-order stuff. Of course it's more effective if you actually tell people that the price will be higher in normal retail, but this is GW after all, so...
And if they didn't say up front that it was going to be a higher price when it's in shops this Saturday, they'd be potentially be open to all kinds of litigation.
How? Raising the price on something is courtworthy now, is it?
455_PWR wrote: Yeah pretty much all of their plastics will make a return. The molds cost too much to make a few copies. They release the plastic minis in limited sets with the intention of selling them around a year or two later by themselves.
We will see the terminator captain from strike force ultra and sace wolves krom again too.
Here's hoping we see the limited edition Captains from a few years back as well. I am definitely getting that Chaplain. So awesome!
Zywus wrote: Can't it just be that case that it's cheaper if you pre-order?
It's common to offer perks to enthuse people to pre-order stuff. Of course it's more effective if you actually tell people that the price will be higher in normal retail, but this is GW after all, so...
And if they didn't say up front that it was going to be a higher price when it's in shops this Saturday, they'd be potentially be open to all kinds of litigation.
How? Raising the price on something is courtworthy now, is it?
False advertising is.
If you go in to purchase a set for the listed price that the preorders are at(which has no mention of it being a "preorder exclusive price" or any other garbage) and it instead is listed for more?
That's false advertising and companies have gotten in trouble for it.
Cool.. an extra $35 wouldn't make me not buy 1 since it's still a good deal for the minis, but it would make me not buy 2 when I want more later... as long as it's not more ROB shenanigans where they listed it for like $150 and then all the sudden it was twice as much when they released it.
Zywus wrote: Can't it just be that case that it's cheaper if you pre-order?
It's common to offer perks to enthuse people to pre-order stuff. Of course it's more effective if you actually tell people that the price will be higher in normal retail, but this is GW after all, so...
And if they didn't say up front that it was going to be a higher price when it's in shops this Saturday, they'd be potentially be open to all kinds of litigation.
How? Raising the price on something is courtworthy now, is it?
False advertising is.
If you go in to purchase a set for the listed price that the preorders are at(which has no mention of it being a "preorder exclusive price" or any other garbage) and it instead is listed for more?
That's false advertising and companies have gotten in trouble for it.
Preorders being a cheaper price is pretty common practice.
Zywus wrote: Can't it just be that case that it's cheaper if you pre-order?
It's common to offer perks to enthuse people to pre-order stuff. Of course it's more effective if you actually tell people that the price will be higher in normal retail, but this is GW after all, so...
And if they didn't say up front that it was going to be a higher price when it's in shops this Saturday, they'd be potentially be open to all kinds of litigation.
How? Raising the price on something is courtworthy now, is it?
False advertising is.
If you go in to purchase a set for the listed price that the preorders are at(which has no mention of it being a "preorder exclusive price" or any other garbage) and it instead is listed for more?
That's false advertising and companies have gotten in trouble for it.
Preorders being a cheaper price is pretty common practice.
For independents, maybe. But independents usually make it clear that it is a preorder price.
And that's the point I'm trying to make and you're seeming to fail to grasp. Deceptive advertising, such as "Buy X for $50! In stores next Saturday!", can get you in trouble.
If you go in to purchase a set for the listed price that the preorders are at(which has no mention of it being a "preorder exclusive price" or any other garbage) and it instead is listed for more?
That's false advertising and companies have gotten in trouble for it.
From my A-level business studies, in UK law an advertised price is an invitation to treat, the price is only fixed at the till. A business is in no way forced to sell you something at the sticker price, but they must take action to attempt to correct displayed prices if alerted to a mismatch. So if a shop puts a £1 sticker on a £30 item I cannot force them to sell it to me for £1. However if they do make a mistake and sell it to me for £1 rather than £30 they have no legal basis to ask for the difference.
I really want to get these and paint them up as Corvidae Cult Thousand Sons, but the wind is kind of let out of my sails since the Thousand Sons are stil (presumably) so far off...
Back when Shield of Baal - Deathstorm was released a few people pointed out that Karlaen is not a limited edition model and that GW said in the Deathstorm description on their webshop something like "At this point only available through the set".
I think one of the most depressing rumors in 2015 was that Games Workshop would plan to release more and more limited edition miniatures.
Hopefully this is not the case and the potential price gouging via ebay like with the As-long-as-stocks-last 40k buildings will not be the norm in the future of the game.
Models being sold out within minutes is ridiculous.
Found the same quote on Amazon - the GW webshop link is 404
Shield of Baal: Deathstorm contains the Blood Angels Strike Force Deathstorm, and the Tyranids' Phodian Annihilation Swarm. The Blood Angels are led by Captain Karlaen - a brand new Space Marine Terminator Captain, whilst the Tyranids are led by The Spawn of Cryptus - a brand new Tyranid Broodlord model. Both of these miniatures are currently only available in this set.
Also
This box set contains 25 Citadel miniatures, including: 1 Blood Angels Terminator Captain, 1 Furioso Dreadnaught, 5 Death Company Space Marines, 5 Space Marine Terminators, 1 Broodlord, 8 Genestealers, 3 Tyranid Warriors and 1 Carnifex. It also includes a Deathstorm transfer sheet, 1 Dreadnaught Base, 6 x 40mm Round Bases, 5 x 32mm Round Bases, 9 x 25mm Round Bases, 3 x 50mm Round Bases, 1 x 105mm Oval Base and 1 x 75mm Oval Base.
Yes, very carefully worded to open the door to selling on their own in the future - And a sensible move at that (though the price is a bit eye-watering ).
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