BrookM wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

The Horus Heresy: Betrayal at Calth.

Good Lord!

Please, NO MORE WORD BEARERS!!!

I'm waiting on the people to pop in complaining that it's Space Marines again.

Actually, I was sorta hoping they'd do another dreanought pattern. Maybe a Redundantor-pattern or a relic Redundantor-pattern or a Mark IV Redundantor-pattern or a legion-specific, Mark IV, relic Redundantor-pattern.

Seems more like a gateway to 30k. Also I am assuming most people who already own 30k stuff will be getting a set, like myself, to bolster their current armies.

I am guessing it will be cheaper to get this kit than it would be to buy a host of FW stuff, but as prices go lately it won't be by much.

If it is limited though, it may be about the same price.

 infinite_array wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 infinite_array wrote:

Zwan1One wrote:
It will be a real shame if this is limited!

If it is, we'll have concrete proof that GW's management is bonkers. This'll be like printing money. I haven't bought any 40k stuff in years (I broke down and got some Fantasy when a local store was having a big AoS sale for some KoW Kingdoms of Men Stuff), but this has my interest.

It could be that the boxed set will be available first, when it sells out? It's gone...until the individual components get released.

We're seeing this right now with the Tidewall after all.

Well, I guess that depends if plastic Heresy is going to be a line GW continues to support.

Did GW ever release any of the plastics from the Assassin game for general release?

Supposedly, we were not going to see them until this holiday season.

Which makes a kind of sense to be honest as they usually do bundles/small model releases in the build-up to Christmas rather than do an army.

 Vash108 wrote:
Seems more like a gateway to 30k. Also I am assuming most people who already own 30k stuff will be getting a set, like myself, to bolster their current armies.

I am guessing it will be cheaper to get this kit than it would be to buy a host of FW stuff, but as prices go lately it won't be by much.

If it is limited though, it may be about the same price.

At the moment, I'm in two minds whether I want the set. I've got a stack or resin armour marks, especially Mk IV and am waiting for Legion Specific Terminators to come out (Keshig Terminators and Lernaean Terminators). Stock Contemptor holds little interest and I've got enough for Praetors and the like. If this come with other goodies, I may be tempted...

Did GW ever release any of the plastics from the Assassin game for general release?

Not that I know of. I wish they did, I really like the way those models look. Just do not care about the game they came with.

 infinite_array wrote:

Did GW ever release any of the plastics from the Assassin game for general release?

I recall the rumors at the time suggesting this, but it never happened.

Which is probably good for my wallet, as I would have grabbed one or two of them. Unless they were priced crazy, like the $30 marine HQ plastics. So on second thought, I’d be safe.

Despite not needing any more power armor marines, I’m getting very tempted buy this box. I shouldn’t be, but I am.

Once the final price and contents get revealed, the true test of will begins.

 kronk wrote:

 infinite_array wrote:

Zwan1One wrote:
It will be a real shame if this is limited!

If it is, we'll have concrete proof that GW's management is bonkers. This'll be like printing money. I haven't bought any 40k stuff in years (I broke down and got some Fantasy when a local store was having a big AoS sale for some KoW Kingdoms of Men Stuff), but this has my interest.

Agreed. Depending on the box contents, I might buy 2 of them.

2? Psssht, 3 at least.



That should give me a solid start to Alpha Legion.

I currently run pride of the legion so this is my route into regular style army and taking advantage of the 3rd legion's unique rite of war. Until I can take kakophoni as troops of course

Squeeeee! that is all.

For me, the make or break will all depend on the presence of Contemptors.

I'm desperately hoping that the forces are generic, but come with lots of legion-specific kibbles we can choose to put on, like the Chapter upgrade kits that are out for 40k. Smooth Mk IV power armour would make for a great sci-fi armour, particularly with sci-fi looking guns like Volkite stuff.

Nomeny wrote:
I'm desperately hoping that the forces are generic, but come with lots of legion-specific kibbles we can choose to put on, like the Chapter upgrade kits that are out for 40k. Smooth Mk IV power armour would make for a great sci-fi armour, particularly with sci-fi looking guns like Volkite stuff.

From the sprue they showed off I don't remember seeing anything with chapter markings.

Still disappointed that the armour looks to be mk.IV and not mk.II/III. Hope they make some at some point...

Chances are we'll see a sheet or two of decals to turn them into the proper legions.

 BrookM wrote:
Chances are we'll see a sheet or two of decals to turn them into the proper legions.

Either that or they will sell them separately, I could see that sadly.

for $12 buy your own legion transfers!

 Vash108 wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Chances are we'll see a sheet or two of decals to turn them into the proper legions.

Either that or they will sell them separately, I could see that sadly.

for $12 buy your own legion transfers!

Random Legion inserts of transfers
GW exec: They'll keep buying boxes till they find their stickers"

 Theophony wrote:

Random Legion inserts of transfers
GW exec: They'll keep buying boxes till they find their stickers"

It’s a nod to the RTB01 box, they’ll love it!

 BrookM wrote:
Chances are we'll see a sheet or two of decals to turn them into the proper legions.

You can get most of them on the FW website right now.

 Vash108 wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Chances are we'll see a sheet or two of decals to turn them into the proper legions.

Either that or they will sell them separately, I could see that sadly.

for $12 buy your own legion transfers!

You mean like they do currently?

 Vash108 wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Chances are we'll see a sheet or two of decals to turn them into the proper legions.

Either that or they will sell them separately, I could see that sadly.

for $12 buy your own legion transfers!

Don't be stupid, their kits always come with decals, whether or not they're useful however..

 BrookM wrote:

 Vash108 wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Chances are we'll see a sheet or two of decals to turn them into the proper legions.

Either that or they will sell them separately, I could see that sadly.

for $12 buy your own legion transfers!

Don't be stupid, their kits always come with decals, whether or not they're useful however..

Interestingly enough, the Shadow Force Solaq box did not include decals.

I'm okay with that since Raven Guard decals are only from FW(and I'm doing Raptors not Raven Guard), but yeah. Was kind of surprised that there was not even a small transfer sheet ala Stormclaw.

This looks balling. Also, wondering how this will affect the current anti-GW sentiment as well as their stock prices.

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:
For me, the make or break will all depend on the presence of Contemptors.

I think the fact foregworld have just released a completely new design dread, and are cutting back their contemptor line just as this thing launches shows that they are indeed destined for plastic.

Horus Heresy is a pretty strong product line for GW so it should do pretty well hopefully.

NoggintheNog wrote:

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:
For me, the make or break will all depend on the presence of Contemptors.

I think the fact foregworld have just released a completely new design dread, and are cutting back their contemptor line just as this thing launches shows that they are indeed destined for plastic.

Stop giving me hopes, dang it!

I haven't owned any Space Marines in a number of years. This might finally get me to pick some up though! The sprues look good, so if the price is decent I'll be making sure I get it, especially if it's a limited quantity that takes a long time to convert over to individual boxes (undoubtedly with much higher prices as well).

A few years ago, I would have jumped all over a mainstream HH release just like I did with Space Hulk. Now, after all the apocalypsification of 40k and gaking on the rules for the sake of sales, nah.

Cutting back? How so? There's not been many new ones, but then every Legion other than the Ultramarines that's been covered in a book has one of their own, so there's not really much more to come at the moment.

 warboss wrote:
A few years ago, I would have jumped all over a mainstream HH release just like I did with Space Hulk. Now, after all the apocalypsification of 40k and gaking on the rules for the sake of sales, nah.

I plan on using them with some other ruleset - maybe One Page 40k.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Cutting back? How so? There's not been many new ones, but then every Legion other than the Ultramarines that's been covered in a book has one of their own, so there's not really much more to come at the moment.

Several legion specific contemptors have been discontinued.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 BrookM wrote:

 Vash108 wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Chances are we'll see a sheet or two of decals to turn them into the proper legions.

Either that or they will sell them separately, I could see that sadly.

for $12 buy your own legion transfers!

Don't be stupid, their kits always come with decals, whether or not they're useful however..

Interestingly enough, the Shadow Force Solaq box did not include decals.

I'm okay with that since Raven Guard decals are only from FW(and I'm doing Raptors not Raven Guard), but yeah. Was kind of surprised that there was not even a small transfer sheet ala Stormclaw.

If anything I would just buy the legion shoulders from FW. Hell, I probably have some left over.

 warboss wrote:
A few years ago, I would have jumped all over a mainstream HH release just like I did with Space Hulk. Now, after all the apocalypsification of 40k and gaking on the rules for the sake of sales, nah.

Actually, 30k restricts Lords of War to a max of 25% of your total points, can only be bought when playing games of 2000 points or more and they have a much toned down Str : D rules...

NoggintheNog wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Cutting back? How so? There's not been many new ones, but then every Legion other than the Ultramarines that's been covered in a book has one of their own, so there's not really much more to come at the moment.

Several legion specific contemptors have been discontinued.

They are all still available. A few were unavailable a few weeks back for changes to the packaging but are available again.

It will be interesting to see what sort of rules changes we might see with 30k.

I may have missed it, but any word on how this will affect FW's HH offerings?

 Vaktathi wrote:
It will be interesting to see what sort of rules changes we might see with 30k.

I may have missed it, but any word on how this will affect FW's HH offerings?

Nothing that indicates any major changes. However, their new instruction sheets give a clue that they may be planning limited resin offering's for the GW stores:

 zedmeister wrote:

 warboss wrote:
A few years ago, I would have jumped all over a mainstream HH release just like I did with Space Hulk. Now, after all the apocalypsification of 40k and gaking on the rules for the sake of sales, nah.

Actually, 30k restricts Lords of War to a max of 25% of your total points, can only be bought when playing games of 2000 points or more and they have a much toned down Str : D rules...

Oh, I know ironically 30k is more akin to the 40k I used to play before GW cranked the stupid up to 11 in "normal" 40k. I used to buy/read every HH book, I jumped all over the Visions art book, and practically pee'd my pants when FW started making older vehicle styles (I bought a contemptor right away)... but the last two years worth of decisions by both GW and BL have soured me on both "normal" 40k as well as HH. I always wanted a HH style army but the FW prices stopped me from doing so back in the day. Now that their might be affordable HH era plastics, GW and BL's greed have soured me both on the fluff and the crunch, leaving me with no inclination to do so even if cost isn't an issue any more. YMMV and I certainly don't begrudge anyone who will go gaga over this release since I would have been right there with them ooo'ing and ahhh'ing... prior to 2012.

 warboss wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:

 warboss wrote:
A few years ago, I would have jumped all over a mainstream HH release just like I did with Space Hulk. Now, after all the apocalypsification of 40k and gaking on the rules for the sake of sales, nah.

Actually, 30k restricts Lords of War to a max of 25% of your total points, can only be bought when playing games of 2000 points or more and they have a much toned down Str : D rules...

Oh, I know ironically 30k is more akin to the 40k I used to play before GW cranked the stupid up to 11 in "normal" 40k. I used to buy/read every HH book, I jumped all over the Visions art book, and practically pee'd my pants when FW started making older vehicle styles (I bought a contemptor right away)... but the last two years worth of decisions by both GW and BL have soured me on both "normal" 40k as well as HH. I always wanted a HH style army but the FW prices stopped me from doing so back in the day. Now that their might be affordable HH era plastics, GW and BL's greed have soured me both on the fluff and the crunch, leaving me with no inclination to do so even if cost isn't an issue any more. YMMV and I certainly don't begrudge anyone who will go gaga over this release since I would have been right there with them ooo'ing and ahhh'ing... prior to 2012.

Don't get me wrong, GW has a terrible track record, but it sounds like you're more letting their other decisions color your judgement of the HH plastic series than the product itself.

Well it's not like GW has told us anything about this product. So going by one's opinion of how they have been doing things over the last several years is not only eminently rational but also kind of one's only option at the moment. For my part, I am just hoping this does not end up being some kind of Execution Force-like botch. And of course, I also hope the figs are completely legion-agnostic/that the leaked pics are real.

Which ones? There's twelve Legion-specific ones, plus the standard and Relic versions, and all of those currently show as "Availability: Usually ships within 3 days ".


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 zedmeister wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
It will be interesting to see what sort of rules changes we might see with 30k.

I may have missed it, but any word on how this will affect FW's HH offerings?

Nothing that indicates any major changes. However, their new instruction sheets give a clue that they may be planning limited resin offering's for the GW stores:

Spoiler:

Thanks again m_r_Parker from B&C

What's the clue? All that says to me is that model has been CAD-designed and now Forge World as well as the main Citadel studio are taking advantage of that to do their assembly diagrams.

 jreilly89 wrote:

Don't get me wrong, GW has a terrible track record, but it sounds like you're more letting their other decisions color your judgement of the HH plastic series than the product itself.

You're not wrong... but you can't separate the company from the IP. They're one and the same. The company decides how the IP is developed, marketed, and costed and I have no faith they'll do it or their customers right at this point.

warboss wrote:

Oh, I know ironically 30k is more akin to the 40k I used to play before GW cranked the stupid up to 11 in "normal" 40k. I used to buy/read every HH book, I jumped all over the Visions art book, and practically pee'd my pants when FW started making older vehicle styles (I bought a contemptor right away)... but the last two years worth of decisions by both GW and BL have soured me on both "normal" 40k as well as HH. I always wanted a HH style army but the FW prices stopped me from doing so back in the day. Now that their might be affordable HH era plastics, GW and BL's greed have soured me both on the fluff and the crunch, leaving me with no inclination to do so even if cost isn't an issue any more. YMMV and I certainly don't begrudge anyone who will go gaga over this release since I would have been right there with them ooo'ing and ahhh'ing... prior to 2012.

Explains my own source of nerves. Forgeworld having been getting 30k "right" (along with most of the 40k releases they do). If GW is seeing dollarsigns and decides to take it over thinking it can do a better job, then to me its knackered.

AndrewGPaul wrote:
What's the clue? All that says to me is that model has been CAD-designed and now Forge World as well as the main Citadel studio are taking advantage of that to do their assembly diagrams.

Just the thought that the instructions are a lot more professional than the standard photocopied A4 sheets you usually get from Forgeworld. Maybe they're sharpening up the presentation and are putting together some shelf suitable packaging? Who knows, just a random thought from myself.

 warboss wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:

Don't get me wrong, GW has a terrible track record, but it sounds like you're more letting their other decisions color your judgement of the HH plastic series than the product itself.

You're not wrong... but you can't separate the company from the IP. They're one and the same. The company decides how the IP is developed, marketed, and costed and I have no faith they'll do it or their customers right at this point.

Fair enough. I guess my point was just to sit back and watch it, don't write it off yet

So what are we guessing for price? I'm betting something like $150US.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
So what are we guessing for price? I'm betting something like $150US.

Yeah, I reckon, about £90. My guess on the contents would be:

20-40 Legionaires (Enough to make 2-4 Veteran Squads with Heavy and Special Weapons)
2 Contemptors
10 Cataphract Terminators
2 Praetors
2 Transfer Sheets
Quickstart or variant Rulebook
Background Book
Templates
Dice
Box
Shrink Wrap

There'll be some limited edition moneyraker edition, but this being GW, expect a variant box. If they put in a limited mini with the release, this'll be off the hook!

 zedmeister wrote:

warboss wrote:

Oh, I know ironically 30k is more akin to the 40k I used to play before GW cranked the stupid up to 11 in "normal" 40k. I used to buy/read every HH book, I jumped all over the Visions art book, and practically pee'd my pants when FW started making older vehicle styles (I bought a contemptor right away)... but the last two years worth of decisions by both GW and BL have soured me on both "normal" 40k as well as HH. I always wanted a HH style army but the FW prices stopped me from doing so back in the day. Now that their might be affordable HH era plastics, GW and BL's greed have soured me both on the fluff and the crunch, leaving me with no inclination to do so even if cost isn't an issue any more. YMMV and I certainly don't begrudge anyone who will go gaga over this release since I would have been right there with them ooo'ing and ahhh'ing... prior to 2012.

Explains my own source of nerves. Forgeworld having been getting 30k "right" (along with most of the 40k releases they do). If GW is seeing dollarsigns and decides to take it over thinking it can do a better job, then to me its knackered.

Dureing a open day Q&A they made it clear that "IF" gw did any sort of game involveing the HH, it would not effect their release scheduled. Bassicly that forgeworld will keep makeing their own books even if GW made their own HH game.

When the preview pics of sprues were leaked, wasnt there a price attached like 150 GBP or $200?

 zedmeister wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
So what are we guessing for price? I'm betting something like $150US.

Yeah, I reckon, about £90. My guess on the contents would be:

20-40 Legionaires (Enough to make 2-4 Veteran Squads with Heavy and Special Weapons)
2 Contemptors
10 Cataphract Terminators
2 Praetors
2 Transfer Sheets
Quickstart or variant Rulebook
Background Book
Templates
Dice
Box
Shrink Wrap

There'll be some limited edition moneyraker edition, but this being GW, expect a variant box. If they put in a limited mini with the release, this'll be off the hook!

Half the numbers, add thirty quid and I reckon you may be right.

 zedmeister wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
So what are we guessing for price? I'm betting something like $150US.

Yeah, I reckon, about £90. My guess on the contents would be:

20-40 Legionaires (Enough to make 2-4 Veteran Squads with Heavy and Special Weapons)
2 Contemptors
10 Cataphract Terminators
2 Praetors
2 Transfer Sheets
Quickstart or variant Rulebook
Background Book
Templates
Dice
Box
Shrink Wrap

There'll be some limited edition moneyraker edition, but this being GW, expect a variant box. If they put in a limited mini with the release, this'll be off the hook!

Just the miniatures from FW, Horus Heresy, 20 Legionaires, 2 Contemptors, 10 Cataphract Terminators, & 2 Praetors is $498 USD.... And I understand that it's FW resin minis vs GW plastics, but still, they wont undercut themselves that bad!

I'd reckon 10 loyal & 10 traitor legionaires, 1 contemptor, 5 termies, and maybe 2 special characters in the box, then boxes of 30k at 25% less then the FW resin version....

IMHO

 jreilly89 wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:

Don't get me wrong, GW has a terrible track record, but it sounds like you're more letting their other decisions color your judgement of the HH plastic series than the product itself.

You're not wrong... but you can't separate the company from the IP. They're one and the same. The company decides how the IP is developed, marketed, and costed and I have no faith they'll do it or their customers right at this point.

Fair enough. I guess my point was just to sit back and watch it, don't write it off yet

You know what the definition of insanity is right?

Warboss has already voiced my own feelings, I've lost all enthusiasm for playing the game because it's got so daft I just don't enjoy it, and without the enthusiasm to play, there's no drive to buy models, if I'm painting then there's things I'd rather paint just for fun than 20 more Space Marines.

Add that to a massive gap in releases to accommodate Ago Of Space Marines and my enthusiasm for anything 40K or 40K related is at an all time low.

Even I'm surprised at my apathy towards this.

And I forgot I pre ordered Legacies Of Betrayal in MMPB, and it got dispatched yesterday and took me over my overdraft.

Well look at that. This is actually happening.

I wonder how this changes things for FW.

Ooooooooh BLEEP BLEEP MOTHABLEEEPING BLEEP, son!
This launches on my birthday. Happy HH birthday to me.

 jreilly89 wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:

Don't get me wrong, GW has a terrible track record, but it sounds like you're more letting their other decisions color your judgement of the HH plastic series than the product itself.

You're not wrong... but you can't separate the company from the IP. They're one and the same. The company decides how the IP is developed, marketed, and costed and I have no faith they'll do it or their customers right at this point.

Fair enough. I guess my point was just to sit back and watch it, don't write it off yet

I haven't written it off. I'm not so full of myself to think that (the lack of) my little drop in the bucket expenditures for a $100 million + company will make a difference. I fully expect it to be very popular just because it is HH. I just personally can't ignore the company for the IP anymore. I don't, however, begrudge anyone their own excitement as I would have been right there with them a few years ago.

Zero interest. No longer play 40k due to Please don't bypass the language filter like this. Reds8n of rules, won't be playing 30k for same reasons. If GW did a re-release of Epic, BloodBowl, Mordheim or Necromunda I'd be all over them like a tramp on chips, but that's the only way GW is ever going to see any of my money again.

 Azreal13 wrote:

Warboss has already voiced my own feelings, I've lost all enthusiasm for playing the game because it's got so daft I just don't enjoy it, and without the enthusiasm to play, there's no drive to buy models, if I'm painting then there's things I'd rather paint just for fun than 20 more Space Marines.

Yeah, agreed and thanks. I'm currently more excited to be possibly getting some boutique resin minis from an indy company to use possibly with a long dead minis game ruleset along with other misfit minis than HH, which I would have previously killed for at reasonable plastic prices. Of course, we have yet to see if they'll be reasonable but I was basing that off of previous starter sets.

 krazynadechukr wrote:
And I understand that it's FW resin minis vs GW plastics, but still, they wont undercut themselves that bad! // then boxes of 30k at 25% less then the FW resin version....

The old Forge World all-resin Baneblade was £140, when it was initially released (before they decided to combine it with the Shadowsword) the plastic Baneblade was £65. The Tau Piranha had a similar reduction: Forge World was £28, GW plastic initially released at £13.33 each (£40 for a box of three).

Even with those prices they are still making money hand over fist, the exorbitant price of FW is mostly the cost of labour, material and having to constantly replace the moulds rather than profit.

Initially when the news came out for this I was excited for plastic Heresy miniatures. As the rumours came out and there was discussion about it being a bored game and also a new miniatures game it made me interested as to where this is going. The video trailer says it's a miniatures game in the 31st millennium. I am guessing this means it is not an isolated bored game. At this point I am most interested to see if this is a new rule set or FW rules? This was kept almost as quite as AOS IMO despite the sprue leak.

Also on an unrelated note it drives me nuts every time someone says they don't like heresy era because there are no xenos races. There are tons of xenos races in the fluff

PalmerC wrote:
Initially when the news came out for this I was excited for plastic Heresy miniatures. As the rumours came out and there was discussion about it being a bored game and also a new miniatures game it made me interested as to where this is going. The video trailer says it's a miniatures game in the 31st millennium. I am guessing this means it is not an isolated bored game. At this point I am most interested to see if this is a new rule set or FW rules? This was kept almost as quite as AOS IMO despite the sprue leak.

Also on an unrelated note it drives me nuts every time someone says they don't like heresy era because there are no xenos races. There are tons of xenos races in the fluff

It's not so much that they don't like it because there are no xenos races, it's that they don't like Space Marines, and for some, that THEIR xenos race didn't exist at that point, or wasn't active.

It's not so much that they don't like it because there are no xenos races, it's that they don't like Space Marines, and for some, that THEIR xenos race didn't exist at that point, or wasn't active.

Thats a fair point although I have seen many posts that stated Heresy has no Xenos in various places over the last six months.

PalmerC wrote:

It's not so much that they don't like it because there are no xenos races, it's that they don't like Space Marines, and for some, that THEIR xenos race didn't exist at that point, or wasn't active.

Thats a fair point although I have seen many posts that stated Heresy has no Xenos in various places over the last six months.

They can state that, but saying something doesn't make it so, at least not if you view the Horus Heresy as both the BL books and the FW game and minis. Xenos pop up in the books at those points where they are involved, which isn't all that often, but does happen. But it's hardly surprising that xenos take so little role in a conflict that is, by definition, Imperial forces vs. turncoat Imperial forces.

Now, I sympathize with the notion that it would be neat to have some tweaked lists for Eldar, Dark Eldar, Orks, maybe some Megarachnid type xenos that Tyranid players could proxy, and we could have an offshoot supplement for Great Crusade, but apart from that notion, the name of the game is "Horus Heresy", so that's going to be the focus.

It really depends on how they envision the game. The Nephilim, Davinites, mega Arachnids, orks, eldar all were in a series with Horus Heresy on the cover but from a timeline perspective I agree fit more with a great crusade theme. Sure space marines and spikey space marines have a central role. But if its a new rule set as some have speculated there is room for human race off shoots and xenos to round out a new game system. Perhaps I am too optimistic

It will most likely be Preheresy/heresy Ultramarines & Word Bearers miniatures (with cultists & psykers). Since it is Calth.

shade1313 wrote:

PalmerC wrote:
Thats a fair point although I have seen many posts that stated Heresy has no Xenos in various places over the last six months.

They can state that, but saying something doesn't make it so, at least not if you view the Horus Heresy as both the BL books and the FW game and minis.

Has Forgeworld produced a single xenos miniature for the Horus Heresy? Have they written rules for a single xenos unit for the Horus Heresy? If not, the statement that this is a no Xenos allowed product line is effectively true, even if they get the occasional footnote in the novels.

You cannot prove that GW/FW will never release X simply because they have not released X to date.

 AlexHolker wrote:

shade1313 wrote:

PalmerC wrote:
Thats a fair point although I have seen many posts that stated Heresy has no Xenos in various places over the last six months.

They can state that, but saying something doesn't make it so, at least not if you view the Horus Heresy as both the BL books and the FW game and minis.

Has Forgeworld produced a single xenos miniature for the Horus Heresy? Have they written rules for a single xenos unit for the Horus Heresy? If not, the statement that this is a no Xenos allowed product line is effectively true, even if they get the occasional footnote in the novels.

Way to ignore half of what I said. You go on with your bad self, though.

They could make xenos, eventually, but this is horus heresy not "crusades."

Has Forgeworld produced a single xenos miniature for the Horus Heresy? Have they written rules for a single xenos unit for the Horus Heresy? If not, the statement that this is a no Xenos allowed product line is effectively true, even if they get the occasional footnote in the novels.

Technically yes they produced a Davinite Serpent lodge priest as an event exclusive.

I really, really hope they sell the Tac boxes separate. I'd buy 4 then.

I am reservedly excited because it all depends on the price point on if i go "Yeeaah" or "WTF!".

Yeah... could be nice.
Could be just any other GW release

My initial enthusiasm has been reduced as I still think this will, for me, fall into the 40K trap of "the fiction is more interesting than the game".

The Heresy's key moments are either gigantic battles you'd need tens of thousands of pounds to recreate and that are typically one sided, or plots and intrigue you cannot recreate on the tabletop.

Nemesis (black library novel) has a key moment that you cannot recreate on the tabletop, in a way it's a turning point for the story at that stage.

If you replay Battle for the Abyss then basically the loyalists die. 5 word bearers versus 2 wounded loyaists Word /bearer win.

 TwilightSparkles wrote:


The Heresy's key moments are either gigantic battles you'd need tens of thousands of pounds to recreate
.

Or not..

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/667767.page

What is it with dozens of people feeling the need to comment how they are not going to buy this?

Does this happen in threads about non-GW releases too?

Because commenting a new product is ALWAYS positive, right?

If coke releases a new coke made out of turds.. would you only expect positive replies?

well, i'll be buying it...
plastic mkiv, Praetors, Contemptor, and Cataphracti...
what's not to like

the basic plastic Marines will give me enough minis to paint one of each legion...
i've always thought that a Space Wolves Cataphracti squad would be fun to convert, after drooling over the Visions of Heresy books...
two characters and a Contemptor nice additions to my collection...

less than two weeks to go!!!
i hope we get some awesome leaks next week...

cheers
jah

RoninXiC wrote:
Because commenting a new product is ALWAYS positive, right?

If coke releases a new coke made out of turds.. would you only expect positive replies?

A) We haven't actually seen the product yet.

B) I don't have a problem with negative comments,

C) I am simply intriqued that "I won't buy comments" (without being actually based on the product, see A.), seem more prevalent here than ... say ... the thread about the latest Warmachine release.

It's puzzlement about distribution of no-buy-claims, not about negativity or criticism.

Wonderwolf wrote:
What is it with dozens of people feeling the need to comment how they are not going to buy this?

Does this happen in threads about non-GW releases too?

And yes, go view any other thread. There's quite a mix of opinions, positive and negative. It's almost like this was is discussion board that encourages debating opinions and releases, speculating on what's happening, etc. If you prefer the "Everything's fine, nothing's wrong" line, you can always start a blog and restrict comments.

I'm not a fan of the constant negativity against GW, but I have no problem at all with people saying they aren't buying this... Seems to me they're just sharing their initial impression and gut reaction, not trying to be downers for no reason. Both negative and positive opinions should be welcome as long as they don't devolve into trolling.

You have to admit it's odd for people to shun a product we know nothing about beyond the theme. And comparing Horus Heresy to poop is especially egregious.

Wonderwolf wrote:
What is it with dozens of people feeling the need to comment how they are not going to buy this?

Does this happen in threads about non-GW releases too?

Yes.

By the way, since you seem interested on the issue, I won't be buying this. Perhaps if the traitors models catch my eye, I'll try to get them from eBay after a while.

 -DE- wrote:
You have to admit it's odd for people to shun a product we know nothing about beyond the theme. And comparing Horus Heresy to poop is especially egregious.

Well we have seen the sprue for the marines, we most probably know the approximate box contents, we know it's a new game, we know the setting and the armies involved... that's quite a lot of information I'd say! What we don't know is if it's a one-off board game or the start of a new range.

Do we know if it's going to be a limited starter set or a collection of boxes that will go on sale X months in the future?

Nothing much has been said, but lots of assumptions are making me worried I'll miss out on a pre-order of the whole shebang.

 Mymearan wrote:

 -DE- wrote:
You have to admit it's odd for people to shun a product we know nothing about beyond the theme. And comparing Horus Heresy to poop is especially egregious.

Well we have seen the sprue for the marines, we most probably know the approximate box contents, we know it's a new game, we know the setting and the armies involved... that's quite a lot of information I'd say!

We don't *know*, it is *speculated*. A big difference. Those sprues might not even be from this particular box set, their exact number and combination is unknown, we don't know if it's a standalone game or a 40K variant, and the UM/WB matchup might simply boil down to official paintjobs, with no iconography on models, and be thus irrelevant.

Most of all, we don't know the price tag, which will be a deal clincher or breaker for many, myself included.

 -DE- wrote:


We don't *know*, it is *speculated*. A big difference. Those sprues might not even be from this particular box set, their exact number and combination is unknown, we don't know if it's a standalone game or a 40K variant, and the UM/WB matchup might simply boil down to official paintjobs, with no iconography on models, and be thus irrelevant.

Most of all, we don't know the price tag, which will be a deal clincher or breaker for many, myself included.

Indeed, and in the absence of fact, who doesn't enjoy indulging in a bit of gossip and speculation!

 AlexHolker wrote:

shade1313 wrote:

PalmerC wrote:
Thats a fair point although I have seen many posts that stated Heresy has no Xenos in various places over the last six months.

They can state that, but saying something doesn't make it so, at least not if you view the Horus Heresy as both the BL books and the FW game and minis.

Has Forgeworld produced a single xenos miniature for the Horus Heresy? Have they written rules for a single xenos unit for the Horus Heresy? If not, the statement that this is a no Xenos allowed product line is effectively true, even if they get the occasional footnote in the novels.

yes, the two ruin storm deamon princes, its a xenos army (deamons are xenos technically), other than that, nope.

Demons aren't xenos, they're demons! Otherwise Ordo Malleus and Ordo Xenos would be the same.

heres the funny thing, my local FLGS owner posted up the trailer for us and basically said "heres the new trailer, but you guys have been talking about this release for the last year, so yeah... at least you now have a date"

We are going to be running demo games and are making an instvaan table for the release day, we, with the owner, are going to be pushing this as the replacement game to AOS as fantasy is dead in our area due to AOS, so even IF its a stand alone (its not), it will allow access to HH for newcomers to play and enter the Heresy

 Mymearan wrote:
Demons aren't xenos, they're demons! Otherwise Ordo Malleus and Ordo Xenos would be the same.

Well, technically daemons in 40k are basically alien creatures that live in the Warp. Sort of, at the same time not. But I can imagine this being debatable.

 Formosa wrote:
heres the funny thing, my local FLGS owner posted up the trailer for us and basically said "heres the new trailer, but you guys have been talking about this release for the last year, so yeah... at least you now have a date"

We are going to be running demo games and are making an instvaan table for the release day, we, with the owner, are going to be pushing this as the replacement game to AOS as fantasy is dead in our area due to AOS, so even IF its a stand alone (its not), it will allow access to HH for newcomers to play and enter the Heresy

Oh, that's cool! Hope you lot have fun!

 zedmeister wrote:

Wonderwolf wrote:
What is it with dozens of people feeling the need to comment how they are not going to buy this?

Does this happen in threads about non-GW releases too?

And yes, go view any other thread. There's quite a mix of opinions, positive and negative. It's almost like this was is discussion board that encourages debating opinions and releases, speculating on what's happening, etc. If you prefer the "Everything's fine, nothing's wrong" line, you can always start a blog and restrict comments.

I believe he already tried that and gave up on it for some unknown reason.

But yes, this is a discussion forum, and as long as the comments both 'for' and 'against' stay within the rules of the site, everything's OK.

And if for some reason anyone thinks one isn't - report it using the Mod Alert button.

Thanks!

Any delicious piccies yet? (apart from the sprues we saw months ago)

Wonderwolf wrote:
What is it with dozens of people feeling the need to comment how they are not going to buy this?

Does this happen in threads about non-GW releases too?

Oh my yes. Certainly it happens in kickstarters, where there is actually changing information and circumstances about what you pledge, but even in regular New Release type threads there are people critical of products.

Oddly, I believe this thread has fewer people saying no thanks, and more genuine interest, than any GW release in a long time.

The last page on next Saturdays White Dwarf also seems to teaser the HH game, nothing new to be seen, there will be a gift in the next one (probably a pin as rumored).

It's not MKIII, though. How can I possibly enjoy Marine on Marine action without MKIII armor?

That's like decaffeinated coffee! It smells like coffee. It looks like coffee, but at the end of the day, my whiskey tastes horrible in it!

I do think they'll missed a trick if all the Marines in the set are from the same MkIV sprue we've seen. I'd have loved to have seen a sprue that had bits of everything from MkII-VI on it to do a properly mixed force, but at the very least I'd like there to be a MkIII and MkIV sprue in the set.

But all the rumours so far are saying just MkVI, aren't they?

Wouldn't make a whole lot of sense for the traitors to be using MK6 tho.. Also depends what time frame we're talking about in the Heresy. Just because the raven guard have MK6 doesn't mean the other legions do.

MK2-4 would have been nice instead of just one armor set..

Wait, you need other Marks than the IV?

 Azreal13 wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:

Don't get me wrong, GW has a terrible track record, but it sounds like you're more letting their other decisions color your judgement of the HH plastic series than the product itself.

You're not wrong... but you can't separate the company from the IP. They're one and the same. The company decides how the IP is developed, marketed, and costed and I have no faith they'll do it or their customers right at this point.

Fair enough. I guess my point was just to sit back and watch it, don't write it off yet

You know what the definition of insanity is right?

Warboss has already voiced my own feelings, I've lost all enthusiasm for playing the game because it's got so daft I just don't enjoy it, and without the enthusiasm to play, there's no drive to buy models, if I'm painting then there's things I'd rather paint just for fun than 20 more Space Marines.

Add that to a massive gap in releases to accommodate Ago Of Space Marines and my enthusiasm for anything 40K or 40K related is at an all time low.

Even I'm surprised at my apathy towards this.

And I forgot I pre ordered Legacies Of Betrayal in MMPB, and it got dispatched yesterday and took me over my overdraft.

Whoops. Yeah, that is insanity. Well, aassuming this si a LE, you can always sell it for double the amount after it's sold out the first day.

Need? No, but some of the armor marks are associated more strongly with some legions than others.

 kronk wrote:
It's not MKIII, though. How can I possibly enjoy Marine on Marine action without MKIII armor?

That's like decaffeinated coffee! It smells like coffee. It looks like coffee, but at the end of the day, my whiskey tastes horrible in it!

Typical noisy clanky Fists. Need to use Mk IV and Mk VI - much quieter and faster...



Though, it does mean I don't need much in the way of Mk IV now

Though, I do need Mk II for my White Scars...


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Kirasu wrote:Wouldn't make a whole lot of sense for the traitors to be using MK6 tho.. Also depends what time frame we're talking about in the Heresy. Just because the raven guard have MK6 doesn't mean the other legions do.

MK2-4 would have been nice instead of just one armor set..

Ahem...

The Wise Dane wrote:Wait, you need other Marks than the IV?

No, but some legions seem to look better and prefer to use certain Marks over others:

Raven Guard: Mk VI
Alpha Legion: Mk IV/VI
Death Guard/Imperial Fist/Iron Warriors: MK III
White Scars: Mk II

Mixing and matching is fun and makes a more characterful unit I think. Units with some older marks (the veterans/only armour they had spare) along with the newer marks (recruits). Just working on doing Mk IV breachers at the minute using the square boarding shields and destroyer helmets

I'm excited for HH. Don't get me wrong, I play 40k not 30k, but the HH minis are delicious. If the prices aren't the equivalent of a new house, I may pick up some.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Need? No, but some of the armor marks are associated more strongly with some legions than others.

Well sure, if you are playing Fists or Warriors, it'd make much sense, but for most of the other legions, only the Maximus does it for me. Sectioned armour plates, protected abdomen and a nice, not-goofy helmet is all I need.

 The Wise Dane wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Need? No, but some of the armor marks are associated more strongly with some legions than others.

Well sure, if you are playing Fists or Warriors, it'd make much sense, but for most of the other legions, only the Maximus does it for me. Sectioned armour plates, protected abdomen and a nice, not-goofy helmet is all I need.

My trouble is that if I get this, at least one half will be becoming a force made from the Remnants of Istvaan IV, and thus, I want a very scavenged, ragtag look to them all. Having the whole lot in what I think looks like the 'cleanest' armour, and moreover, all the same armour, doesn't do much for me. I love the variety you can get from the mix of marks in the new Tactical set, so I'd love to see something like that for the earlier mark.

Don't get me wrong, I love MkIV and I think it looks awesome for the likes of Emperor's Children, Ultramarines, Blood Angels or Alpha Legion, but I can't see it looking too fitting for the more 'down to earth' legions like Imperial Fists, World Eaters, Death Guard or Iron Hands.

As to the Alpha Legion, well since they actually fought the Raven guard on their planet then a small amount of MK6 armor would make sense.

Obviously there are exceptions but the vast majority of Horus heresy marines had no access to MK6 and most were still in 2 and 3 with 4 replacing the older versions.

 zedmeister wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
So what are we guessing for price? I'm betting something like $150US.

Yeah, I reckon, about £90. My guess on the contents would be:

20-40 Legionaires (Enough to make 2-4 Veteran Squads with Heavy and Special Weapons)
2 Contemptors
10 Cataphract Terminators
2 Praetors
2 Transfer Sheets
Quickstart or variant Rulebook
Background Book
Templates
Dice
Box
Shrink Wrap

There'll be some limited edition moneyraker edition, but this being GW, expect a variant box. If they put in a limited mini with the release, this'll be off the hook!

May the Emprah hear you, Brother!

I'm torn between watching the internet continue to speculate (per usual) and posting pictures I took of my box and its contents.

blackforge wrote:
I'm torn between watching the internet continue to speculate (per usual) and posting pictures I took of my box and its contents.

<--- Makes his sense motive check.

Sure thing.

 Kirasu wrote:
As to the Alpha Legion, well since they actually fought the Raven guard on their planet then a small amount of MK6 armor would make sense.

Obviously there are exceptions but the vast majority of Horus heresy marines had no access to MK6 and most were still in 2 and 3 with 4 replacing the older versions.

I think it said in HH 3 that alpha legion copied the design and produced it themselves.

 Zuul wrote:


I think it said in HH 3 that alpha legion copied the design and produced it themselves.

Not so much copied as pilfered the early design schematics!

I'm sure Alpha Legion has an Mechanicus-type planet squirled away some where, churning out whatever STC templates they've found.

 kronk wrote:
I'm sure Alpha Legion has an Mechanicus-type planet squirled away some where, churning out whatever STC templates they've found.

A Mechanicus type planet? This is the Alpha Legion... they have all the Mechanicus planets, and all the other ones to boot, it's just that nobody's noticed yet!

 Mymearan wrote:
Demons aren't xenos, they're demons! Otherwise Ordo Malleus and Ordo Xenos would be the same.

Deamons are a non imperial force in 30k and at that point they thought the deamons were extra dimensional Xenos, it wasn't until the heresy kicked off proper that they realised what the deamons actually are, so yes, you can easily play non imperial armies in 30k, eldar would be almost identical, orks would be identical, tau and nids wouldn't be there (except maybe nids possibly), dark eldar existed but not in the capacity we know them as now, so I'd say no dark eldar yet, no chaos marinea obviously, so that leaves us with the following armies that easily fit into 30k

Orks
Eldar
Imperial guard
Deamons
Advanced Xenos (tau)
Renegades and heretics
Pirates and raiders (dark eldar, corsairs)
Solar auxilia
Legions
Mechanicum
Adeptus mechanicus
Skitarii

Saying there are no Xenos armies in 30k totally ignores the fluff and the game itself, the Eldar were well known for fighting the Warmasters forces during the heresy and orks were everywhere.

 Formosa wrote:


... the Eldar were well known for fighting the Warmasters forces during the heresy and orks were everywhere.

That's a very good point. It'd be interesting to see if Forgeworld do something along the lines of the liberation of Stygies VIII

Fulgrim and Eldrad didn't exactly have a tea party.

Also, the interex were an interesting bunch!

dark eldar existed but not in the capacity we know them as now, so I'd say no dark eldar yet,

Well, IIRC there was a Space Wolves story set during the Crusade or Heresy that featured Dark Eldar. Also note that Angron and Lorgar were also fighting some Eldar raiders who really seemed like Dark Eldar.

no chaos marinea obviously,

I can imagine some of the Traitor marines changing into Chaos marines during the Heresy, especially Legions such as the Word Bearers, but also those with Daemon Primarchs like the World Eaters and Emperor's Children. The Sons of Horus also had their own possessed units, and the Death Guard had some nurgle infected marines as well around that era.

The Emperor's Children were pretty "far out there" during the early stages of the Heresy.

 kronk wrote:
The Emperor's Children were pretty "far out there" during the early stages of the Heresy.

Their fleet travelled far from Terra to enforce compliance?

 warboss wrote:

 kronk wrote:
The Emperor's Children were pretty "far out there" during the early stages of the Heresy.

Their fleet travelled far from Terra to enforce compliance?

Sonic Implants

Beginning the Slaanesh worship

Dicking around with the gene seed

Fulgrim briefly being possessed

You know, "out there".

Take it with a grain of salt, my local GW manager said apparently the (28mm scale of course) Horus Heresy Starter Set will have "2 sides" in the box, equipped the same, no specific legions either (generic), there is 20 preheresy marines, 5 preheresy termies, 1 preheresy dread, 1 praetor (for each side, although you don't have to make 2 sides! (since they are the same/generic minis!), and a booklet entitled "Age of Darkness," plus a rule book, dice, templates, and some sort of dataslates or cards for the models. This jives with earlier rumors seen here and else where!

 kronk wrote:
The Emperor's Children were pretty "far out there" during the early stages of the Heresy.

By Isstvan 5, most of the Pride of the Emperor had fully turned and began using sonic weapons. Source: Fulgrim

So in total that's 40 Marines, 10 Termies, 2 Dreads and 2 Praetors? That's either going to be pricey, or if it's priced the same as the AoS starter/DV, an absolute steal...

Haven't we seen the sprue for the Praetor that has both a Terminator and Power Armour one, though? Rather than identical minis?

If that's true, though, sounds like the start of a very neat force. Buy the box, add in your Legion special unit of choice from FW, and a transport or two and you've got most of an army.

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Take it with a grain of salt, my local GW manager said apparently the (28mm scale of course) Horus Heresy Starter Set will have "2 sides" in the box, equipped the same, no specific legions either (generic), there is 20 preheresy marines, 5 preheresy termies, 1 preheresy dread, 1 praetor (for each side, although you don't have to make 2 sides! (since they are the same/generic minis!), and a booklet entitled "Age of Darkness," plus a rule book, dice, templates, and some sort of dataslates or cards for the models. This jives with earlier rumors seen here and else where!

Probably because that's where the redshirt got the info!

I fear the wallet impact on this one. In time for Christmas though...had better get dropping hints to loved ones.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Take it with a grain of salt, my local GW manager said apparently the (28mm scale of course) Horus Heresy Starter Set will have "2 sides" in the box, equipped the same, no specific legions either (generic), there is 20 preheresy marines, 5 preheresy termies, 1 preheresy dread, 1 praetor (for each side, although you don't have to make 2 sides! (since they are the same/generic minis!), and a booklet entitled "Age of Darkness," plus a rule book, dice, templates, and some sort of dataslates or cards for the models. This jives with earlier rumors seen here and else where!

Probably because that's where the redshirt got the info!

Then we're back where we started?

Everything feels so circular...

 kronk wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 kronk wrote:
The Emperor's Children were pretty "far out there" during the early stages of the Heresy.

Their fleet travelled far from Terra to enforce compliance?

Sonic Implants

Beginning the Slaanesh worship

Dicking around with the gene seed

Fulgrim briefly being possessed

You know, "out there".

It was a joke. I probably should have used an emoticon.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
I fear the wallet impact on this one. In time for Christmas though...had better get dropping hints to loved ones.

True, that may be my plan as well... Depends on the price, really. On one hand, I love HH stuff, the small amount I do have I really enjoyed working on, and the models will be fantastic, that's pretty much a given. On the other, I'm not sure I have it in my to paint a full army these days, lovely HH plastics or not... A 'Shattered Legions' force would get around that somewhat by giving me 3-4 different schemes to incorporate and lots of conversion potential, or I could just take the painter-only route and just paint them up however I feel like rather than building an army...

Need to see the contents, then I can decide/start badgering/bribing/blackmailing family members

 warboss wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 kronk wrote:
The Emperor's Children were pretty "far out there" during the early stages of the Heresy.

Their fleet travelled far from Terra to enforce compliance?

Sonic Implants

Beginning the Slaanesh worship

Dicking around with the gene seed

Fulgrim briefly being possessed

You know, "out there".

It was a joke. I probably should have used an emoticon.

<---- Failed his Sense Motive check.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Take it with a grain of salt, my local GW manager said apparently the (28mm scale of course) Horus Heresy Starter Set will have "2 sides" in the box, equipped the same, no specific legions either (generic), there is 20 preheresy marines, 5 preheresy termies, 1 preheresy dread, 1 praetor (for each side, although you don't have to make 2 sides! (since they are the same/generic minis!), and a booklet entitled "Age of Darkness," plus a rule book, dice, templates, and some sort of dataslates or cards for the models. This jives with earlier rumors seen here and else where!

Probably because that's where the redshirt got the info!

Well, he is more than a red shirt. And he has verified several rumors before they actually were leaked, to me and others at our GW store. I consider him legit. My conversation with him was "I want to make a 30k Raven Guard army, and it is going to be expensive." That is where he said, looking left, then right, don't order FW, wait until mid November...." and the rest I paraphrased a few entries back....


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 zedmeister wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Take it with a grain of salt, my local GW manager said apparently the (28mm scale of course) Horus Heresy Starter Set will have "2 sides" in the box, equipped the same, no specific legions either (generic), there is 20 preheresy marines, 5 preheresy termies, 1 preheresy dread, 1 praetor (for each side, although you don't have to make 2 sides! (since they are the same/generic minis!), and a booklet entitled "Age of Darkness," plus a rule book, dice, templates, and some sort of dataslates or cards for the models. This jives with earlier rumors seen here and else where!

Probably because that's where the redshirt got the info!

Then we're back where we started?

Everything feels so circular...

Like a blast template right on target!

 Paradigm wrote:

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
I fear the wallet impact on this one. In time for Christmas though...had better get dropping hints to loved ones.

On the other, I'm not sure I have it in my to paint a full army these days, lovely HH plastics or not... A 'Shattered Legions' force would get around that somewhat by giving me 3-4 different schemes to incorporate and lots of conversion potential, or I could just take the painter-only route and just paint them up however I feel like rather than building an army...

Need to see the contents, then I can decide/start badgering/bribing/blackmailing family members

The rate at which you paint you would have a sizeable army in a matter of months. If it is very expensive maybe cash requests are the way to go.

I assume this will be a standard, on the shelf all of the time release. Have there been any rumours of it potentially being a limited print release?

Really looking forward to this, if the rumours are anywhere close to acurate regardign contents then this will nicely fill out most of a 2000 point Salamanders list alongside Vulkan and the Firedrakes I already have.

Calth? Does that mean more Ultramarines? Pass.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Calth? Does that mean more Ultramarines? Pass.

The figures appear to be generic, so paint them what ever shade of Space Marine floats your boat!

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Calth? Does that mean more Ultramarines? Pass.

Except it doesn't look like there's anything UM on the models (based on the sprues we've seen). I'm betting they'll just be some transfers in the box, even GW won't be stupid enough to cut out 16/18ths of the market for the set by limiting the box.

 Paradigm wrote:
So in total that's 40 Marines, 10 Termies, 2 Dreads and 2 Praetors?

Dark Vengeance had 49 figs including a dread and three bikes. AoS has 47 figs including a couple of dread sized figs, so 54 figs including two dreads seems possible. If they wanted a lower price point, say under $100, 28 figs would also work (20 preheresy marines, 5 preheresy termies, 1 preheresy dread, 1 praetor (for each side, so 2).

T

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Calth? Does that mean more Ultramarines? Pass.

NO, the minis are generic!

timd wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
So in total that's 40 Marines, 10 Termies, 2 Dreads and 2 Praetors?

Dark Vengeance had 49 figs including a dread and three bikes. AoS has 47 figs including a couple of dread sized figs, so 54 figs including two dreads seems possible. If they wanted a lower price point, say under $100, 28 figs would also work (20 preheresy marines, 5 preheresy termies, 1 preheresy dread, 1 praetor (for each side, so 2).

T

Yeah, it's definitely within the realms of possibility. It comes down to whether GW prices it like that, though, or whether because the minis are proper, multi-pose ones they're going to charge a load more.

BTW, my source "confirmed" it will be $149.99 USD (he is so certain he said if it is more, he will pay the difference for me. I have witnesses to his saying that, and I am holding him to it.)

So £100... hmm, that's more than I was hoping, but possibly still doable...

looks like some GW stores are prepping with facebook sites

https://www.facebook.com/events/1643968485858366/

https://www.facebook.com/GWDudley

even Gav!

https://www.facebook.com/Gav-Thorpe-24145188387/

Release the Hype Train!

 Paradigm wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I love MkIV and I think it looks awesome for the likes of Emperor's Children, Ultramarines, Blood Angels or Alpha Legion, but I can't see it looking too fitting for the more 'down to earth' legions like Imperial Fists, World Eaters, Death Guard or Iron Hands.

Well, speak for yourself. Personally I think Mk.4 is a simple, clean look for a Legion like the XIIth that tends to be more utilitarian. It was this piece of art from Betrayal that inspired my WE army.



I think the strength of the Mk.4 is that its clean lines can lend itself to either simple or more ornate looks and schemes. Of course, what that pic is missing -- and what FW is missing -- is a proper Sarum-pattern helmet (see Kharn).

And really, having an entire Forge World in their back pocket means there's little reason why the World Eaters would have to be stuck with older marks.

Is there any concrete information if this is going to be a one shot release?

 gorgon wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I love MkIV and I think it looks awesome for the likes of Emperor's Children, Ultramarines, Blood Angels or Alpha Legion, but I can't see it looking too fitting for the more 'down to earth' legions like Imperial Fists, World Eaters, Death Guard or Iron Hands.

Well, speak for yourself. Personally I think Mk.4 is a simple, clean look for a Legion like the XIIth that tends to be more utilitarian. It was this piece of art from Betrayal that inspired my WE army.

Spoiler:

I think the strength of the Mk.4 is that its clean lines can lend itself to either simple or more ornate looks and schemes. Of course, what that pic is missing -- and what FW is missing -- is a proper Sarum-pattern helmet (see Kharn).

And really, having an entire Forge World in their back pocket means there's little reason why the World Eaters would have to be stuck with older marks.

I know I'll be eagerly using it to finish off my Iron Warriors Chaos Space Marine infantry!

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:
Is there any concrete information if this is going to be a one shot release?

From the information available, there might be expansions to this. The reason being, Xenos from the Crusade/pre heresy were mentioned. Oh, and where money can be made, GW is somewhere close by, so yes, expect Warhammer 30k boxes. Also, from what I have heard, 30k is geared for the more adult clientel....

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:
Is there any concrete information if this is going to be a one shot release?

From the information available, there might be expansions to this. The reason being, Xenos from the Crusade/pre heresy were mentioned. Oh, and where money can be made, GW is somewhere close by, so yes, expect Warhammer 30k boxes. Also, from what I have heard, 30k is geared for the more adult clientel....

Interesting... well, even if there were Heresy-era Xenos I wouldn't imagine Necrons would be part of them. Though, you never know.

Hey, maybe 30k is going to become their "serious mode" game rules and be more designed for what tourney players want. A man can dream, right?

If it's 100 quid and contains 20/5/1 then I'll be definitely buying two and it gives me spare money to buy a load of other bits.

rtb02 wrote:
If it's 100 quid and contains 20/5/1 then I'll be definitely buying two and it gives me spare money to buy a load of other bits.

Helz yeah! The FW equivalent is $595 usd (389 GBP) for all those minis! Not to mention what the costs of the FW books are too! I might buy 3!

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:
Is there any concrete information if this is going to be a one shot release?

Browse throught these posts, skip the Tau ones, and you have a good view of what is going to come in 14 days.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/listByUser/0/92272/6.page

He was always spot on, including several topics others were not yet aware of. TLDR A boardgame based on a Calth-related HH incident.

I honestly can't wait for this. I'm eager to see what kind of side game they make and hope it's different enough from current 40k/heresy rules to feel like a unique game/approach to the Warhammer universe.

On top of that, it'll be great to have easy access to proper 'Chaos' pattern armor without all the ornate/chaosy stuff going on so I can use these guys for the standard troopers and use the DV chaos stuff as chosen and special characters and the like.

Now if only Forgeworld would get around to releasing the Thousand Sons so I can go sufficiently broke, that would be great.

Will this be limited?

I love the look of it.

Space Hulk was limited. The 2009 edition sold out pretty fast.

 krazynadechukr wrote:

rtb02 wrote:
If it's 100 quid and contains 20/5/1 then I'll be definitely buying two and it gives me spare money to buy a load of other bits.

Helz yeah! The FW equivalent is $595 usd (389 GBP) for all those minis! Not to mention what the costs of the FW books are too! I might buy 3!

Bear in mind the rumour (both the original and the poster from the last page quoting a GW manager) said it was 20/5/1/1 per side, not overall. Frankly for £100 I wouldn't expect anything less if they want this to be considered good value, although the recent box sets have proven that GW have now realised that bundling 2-3 overpriced kits now means you can go 'look, discount!' and still have the set be poor value.

Warhams-77 wrote:

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:
Is there any concrete information if this is going to be a one shot release?

Browse throught these posts, skip the Tau ones, and you have a good view of what is going to come in 14 days.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/listByUser/0/92272/6.page

He was always spot on, including several topics others were not yet aware of. TLDR A boardgame based on a Calth-related HH incident.

Ah, so not a 30k-esque game then. But, $150 for those models is actually quite a good price, depending on what is on the sprues. It might be worthwhile for someone looking to start a SM or CSM army in that style.

From my source: This is a big release. GW reps are getting two days of training on the product line and rules, as they did with Age of Sigmar.

My opinion: This implies it will be the launch of a whole separate product line, and not just an accessory to 40k.

If this is all correct, and the box set comes with a ton of generic 30K marines, I can easily see a lot of 40K players getting one or more boxes, and then flocking to Forge World to immediately buy a few hundred bucks worth of Legion-specific shoulderpads, icons, maybe a tank, etc. I suspect that if everything goes right, this is going to make GW a TON of money. Now they just have to have the smarts to either a) not make it limited edition or b) if it IS limited, then releasing the plastic contents in their own boxes quickly afterward.

This will sell, no matter what the bitter cynics say.

I'm pretty sure nobody said it wouldn't?

Just in case.

Doesn't sound like a board game...

 Paradigm wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:

rtb02 wrote:
If it's 100 quid and contains 20/5/1 then I'll be definitely buying two and it gives me spare money to buy a load of other bits.

Helz yeah! The FW equivalent is $595 usd (389 GBP) for all those minis! Not to mention what the costs of the FW books are too! I might buy 3!

Bear in mind the rumour (both the original and the poster from the last page quoting a GW manager) said it was 20/5/1/1 per side, not overall. Frankly for £100 I wouldn't expect anything less if they want this to be considered good value, although the recent box sets have proven that GW have now realised that bundling 2-3 overpriced kits now means you can go 'look, discount!' and still have the set be poor value.

I don't believe for 100 quid we'll get 40/10/2/2. If it was a normal box,possibly but these are models currently only available via fw and resin. Personally 100 quid for 20/5/1/2 plus board (speculation) is immense. Currently it'd cost a fortune via fw. Additionally the board sections if they exist could be used for zone mortalis.


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 Paradigm wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:

rtb02 wrote:
If it's 100 quid and contains 20/5/1 then I'll be definitely buying two and it gives me spare money to buy a load of other bits.

Helz yeah! The FW equivalent is $595 usd (389 GBP) for all those minis! Not to mention what the costs of the FW books are too! I might buy 3!

Bear in mind the rumour (both the original and the poster from the last page quoting a GW manager) said it was 20/5/1/1 per side, not overall. Frankly for £100 I wouldn't expect anything less if they want this to be considered good value, although the recent box sets have proven that GW have now realised that bundling 2-3 overpriced kits now means you can go 'look, discount!' and still have the set be poor value.

I don't believe for 100 quid we'll get 40/10/2/2. If it was a normal box,possibly but these are models currently only available via fw and resin. Personally 100 quid for 20/5/1/2 plus board (speculation) is immense. Currently it'd cost a fortune via fw. Additionally the board sections if they exist could be used for zone mortalis.

rtb02 wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:

rtb02 wrote:
If it's 100 quid and contains 20/5/1 then I'll be definitely buying two and it gives me spare money to buy a load of other bits.

Helz yeah! The FW equivalent is $595 usd (389 GBP) for all those minis! Not to mention what the costs of the FW books are too! I might buy 3!

Bear in mind the rumour (both the original and the poster from the last page quoting a GW manager) said it was 20/5/1/1 per side, not overall. Frankly for £100 I wouldn't expect anything less if they want this to be considered good value, although the recent box sets have proven that GW have now realised that bundling 2-3 overpriced kits now means you can go 'look, discount!' and still have the set be poor value.

I don't believe for 100 quid we'll get 40/10/2/2. If it was a normal box,possibly but these are models currently only available via fw and resin. Personally 100 quid for 20/5/1/2 plus board (speculation) is immense. Currently it'd cost a fortune via fw. Additionally the board sections if they exist could be used for zone mortalis.

I could believe it, but in that case we're probably talking no options for weapons or upgrades. Just straight, put together plastic sprues. Which is fine, as conversions are a thing.

40/10/2/2 for $150/‎£100 seems like 'too good a deal'.

20/5/1/1 seem more along the lines of what GW would offer us.

Still, if that's just one side, well, it is hard to sell half a game to at least some segment of your target market?

I just want to see pictures now. Really interested in the dreads. If they have the same range of poses as the fw ones I'll be drooling with anticipation.

I'd think it's 40/10/2/2

As others have said when they've converted other FW stuff over there has been a huge price reduction. This being a starter set, there'll be yet more reduction.


Just my thoughts.

 Alpharius wrote:

Still, if that's just one side, well, it is hard to sell half a game to at least some segment of your target market?

...This is GW. Hard selling a game to a portion of their market is their stale bread and rancid butter.

 Alpharius wrote:
40/10/2/2 for $150/‎£100 seems like 'too good a deal'.

20/5/1/1 seem more along the lines of what GW would offer us.

Still, if that's just one side, well, it is hard to sell half a game to at least some segment of your target market?

I am in the same camp as Alpharius. Consider Age Of Stinkmore's releases. They have been some of the most expensive models GW has released. Their pricing madness will continue to rise. And with these models being multipart kits, not the usual starter models, I am sure that's how GW will "justify" the price. Look at the new Raven Guard box. It's supposed to be the same price, and what do you get? 11 infantry models and 1 landspeeder. There is no way it will be 40/10/2/2. I would love to be wrong but I don't think it will turn out that way.

 Alpharius wrote:
40/10/2/2 for $150/‎£100 seems like 'too good a deal'.

20/5/1/1 seem more along the lines of what GW would offer us.

I'd be shocked if it was the former. And where was that rumor from, BOLS? Everyone should probably get ready for a much lower miniature count in the box.

I think we can expect 30K plastic products to be premium-priced, since the resin pricing is what it is, and demand looks to be high.

Lords of Wargaming reporting 30 MkIV marines 5 Cataphractii 1 Contemptor 1 Praetor 1 Chaplain as the contents.

 Eldarain wrote:
Lords of Wargaming reporting 30 MkIV marines 5 Cataphractii 1 Contemptor 1 Praetor 1 Chaplain as the contents.

They've been pretty accurate with rumours:

Lords of Wargaming - Total rumors: (48 TRUE) / (3 FALSE) / (2 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)

Interesting about the Chaplain? Not the most popular Centurion Consul choice, at least for me. Though, I suppose it is the Word Bearers...

PENDING Horus Heresy Rumors - Oct 2015

I guess anyone can email in as an “anonymous source” and be completely wrong about stuff. Here is the low down:
- It is a Boxed game with tiles. (Yes it’s just a box game)
- NO -------- XENOS! This is about the galactic civil war of man. That means no bs Eldar, Tau, Orks,
Necrons, etc. If you hear anyone say there will be rules for Xenos, they are lying to you and they’re a major bs artist. This isn’t 40k, this is 30k and we don’t give a gak what color your Eldar dress is.
- THIS IS NOT A LIMITED RELEASE – this is a boxed game and the models maybe used for Forge World’s Age of Darkness. If you don’t own their books you are missing out.
- Follow up to the last point, BUY THE FORGE WORLD BOOKS THEY ARE OUTSTANDING AND WORTH EVERY DIME OR PENCE (for my English friends).
- The sales of the box will dictate what will be released next, how it will be released and when it will be released. ONCE AGIN, IF THESE SITES SAY THEY KNOW WHAT IS COMING OUT, THEY’RE LYING.
Contents of the Box:
30x Tactical marines MK IV ONLY!
5x Catapharctii Terminators
1x Contemptor with Lascannon and CCW (FW Contemptor arms are interchangeable with the new plastics)
1x Praetor
1x Chaplain
The game box will be the only way to get the models for the initial release. The more you buy the faster the minis will come out in squad form.
PS. If I seem salty, I am. I’m tired of these sites playing with your hobby emotions and it pisses me off!
Don’t hate the media, become the media!

Urgh, I'm pretty darn interested in getting this and starting some Space Marines... but I dunno if I can start another army right now...

Bleh.

It's hard to argue that the AoS starter box was anything but a great deal. I hope the same applies to Betrayal at Calth.

God, the hype is real for me. I really, really hope GW doesn't muck this up.

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 TheCustomLime wrote:
God, the hype is real for me. I really, really hope GW doesn't muck this up.

Feeling the same way. I'm trying to not to get excited, but the little child in me is getting all giddy...
Need to keep hold of that cynicism. This is GW after all. Though if Forgeworld have had control of the production of this... No, keep to being a cynic!

I don't know, I find it pretty hard to believe they would give us a fully pose-able Contemptor that is also compatible with the FW resin one.

But still, I am excited to see this. I hope it's not limited release as I probably won't be home when it comes out.

Great content

 SickSix wrote:
I don't know, I find it pretty hard to believe they would give us a fully pose-able Contemptor that is also compatible with the FW resin one.

But still, I am excited to see this. I hope it's not limited release as I probably won't be home when it comes out.

Yeah. If this was LE you could refresh the page a second after pre-orders go live and it would be sold out. Plastic Heresy Marines are a god send to 30k players. Tactical squads are really expensive now. They go for like $90 for 10 guys and you don't just need 10 guys.

Hmmmm...so, better than the 20/5/1/1, not as good as the 40/10/2/2 rumors.

So, it's probably just about right.

Soooo, three boxes, that's 90 marines, 15 Cataphracts, etc...

 zedmeister wrote:
Not the most popular Centurion Consul choice, at least for me.

Assuming those even exist in GW's take on the HH.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
Not the most popular Centurion Consul choice, at least for me.

Assuming those even exist in GW's take on the HH.

They may as well put packing peanuts for all that I care of the rest of the box's contents or what the Citadel design team is doing.

Right good point, this set will hopefully be fodder for existing 30k players using FW's beautiful books and toys as much as it will be whatever board game or somesuch as rumored. Oh man, I am really hoping this is not another Execution Force.

 TheCustomLime wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
Not the most popular Centurion Consul choice, at least for me.

Assuming those even exist in GW's take on the HH.

They may as well put packing peanuts for all that I care of the rest of the box's contents or what the Citadel design team is doing.

Er...OK?

Just out of curiosity then - why are you posting in this thread?

I took him to mean, he just wants affordable plastic HH miniatures to use in his 30k games as opposed to selling organs to afford FW HH-era SM.

 Alpharius wrote:


Er...OK?

Just out of curiosity then - why are you posting in this thread?

I think he means, with the pile of Mk IV, Contemptor, Praetor and Cataphracts, he couldn't care less what the Chaplain looks like - it's a bonus compared to everything else you get for the price.

 Alpharius wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
Not the most popular Centurion Consul choice, at least for me.

Assuming those even exist in GW's take on the HH.

They may as well put packing peanuts for all that I care of the rest of the box's contents or what the Citadel design team is doing.

Er...OK?

Just out of curiosity then - why are you posting in this thread?

I think he meant that it doesn't matter one bit what the rules of the game are like, or if it's a board game or a true tabletop game, most people are going to use the FW books with these models, not whatever set up GW proper comes up with.

Deadawake1347 wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
Not the most popular Centurion Consul choice, at least for me.

Assuming those even exist in GW's take on the HH.

They may as well put packing peanuts for all that I care of the rest of the box's contents or what the Citadel design team is doing.

Er...OK?

Just out of curiosity then - why are you posting in this thread?

I think he meant that it doesn't matter one bit what the rules of the game are like, or if it's a board game or a true tabletop game, most people are going to use the FW books with these models, not whatever set up GW proper comes up with.

Yeah. I just want them sweet Heresy plastics. I've never been so excited for a GW release in awhile. Don't really care about the rules they include with it since I have the FW books but it would be cool if they had some unique Calth scenarios since I run Ultramarines.

I misunderstood then - my apologies!

Carry on!

Well the set actually drops 7 days before my birthday, but I'll probs hold on it for now, because Deathstorm hasnt sold out at my FLGS yet I'm thinking that this box will sell similarly.

Am absolutely buzzing over this can't flippppppin wait.

Wish it was a different battle but nout could dampen the old enthusiasm over this. Woop woop. Hopefully some decent BL releases to coincide with the release.

More not-so-interesting shop decoration for BaC - from Nordicus at Heresy Online (large image)

I just GW would have also taken this opportunity to also model the marines standing up a bit straighter too...

Even if it is just 20 marines, 5 termies, 1 dread, 1 praetorian, rulebook, data cards, campaign booklet, range ruler, templates, dice, and some other goodies, it is still long awaited by me!


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Hope lord of war is accurate.

See their tracker status, there arent many even more reliable than LoWG. Not even Hastings who leaked this game first. This is the content for sure.

Some pic's up; courtesy of pug on Waseer

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?412928-Horus-Heresy-Plastics-in-late-2015-Mk-II&p=7557987&viewfull=1#post7557987

So it begins

Here's the bigger versions of those pictures

Oh wow. So it is a plastic contemptor....and a tile based board game...

Geez....

holy crap the horus heresy is STILL going on whats this year 12? Might finish in the 40k lol

 Zywus wrote:
Some pic's up; courtesy of pug on Waseer

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?412928-Horus-Heresy-Plastics-in-late-2015-Mk-II&p=7557987&viewfull=1#post7557987

Damn. Monopose legs on the contemptors.



Still, PLASTIC CONTEMPTORS!!

And what looks like at least two gun options for it. But I don't see how you can use FW weapons on the plastic Contemptors.

Hmm so it looks like there are some UM/WB specific pieces, but no specific iconography on the armour itself.

Very nice!

 Alpharius wrote:
I just GW would have also taken this opportunity to also model the marines standing up a bit straighter too...

Hate being the bearer of bad news, but they're in the traditional "Squat" pose.

This is from a french forum, any ideas which one?

I can make out an assault cannon, a multiplet, and a power fist!

A little snip here and there to fit the forgeworld options, since the soulder parts come with the body on the forgeworld contemptor.

Looking gréât!

Found the source

http://www.warhammer-forum.com/index.php?showtopic=233577&page=6

MacMuckles wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I just GW would have also taken this opportunity to also model the marines standing up a bit straighter too...

Hate being the bearer of bad news, but they're in the traditional "Squat" pose.

Yeah, I mistakenly left out the word "wish" there - we've already seen that the marines are squatting again...

I'm curious - how many of us are going to toss the board game part of this box right into the trash as soon as we open it?

 infinite_array wrote:
I'm curious - how many of us are going to toss the board game part of this box right into the trash as soon as we open it?

I assume the board game is of the same quality as that assassin game. So probably everyone then

Its a bit underwhelming. It just I don't know its just very meh. If I can get it cheap ill likely get it but

Lords of War Gaming:

$150 or for our UK buddies £90

Should also be 120-130 EUR

 infinite_array wrote:
I'm curious - how many of us are going to toss the board game part of this box right into the trash as soon as we open it?

I'll keep it. Maybe we can play Zone mortalis on it.

So what are the major deferences between mark 4 and 7 other than the helmet. I need a little more motivation to buy it. Just wish it was mark 3 for my iron warriors

Monopose Contemptor is disappointing, but at least it's plastic.

Looks cool otherwise.

jimkurtjimmy wrote:
So what are the major deferences between mark 4 and 7 other than the helmet. I need a little more motivation to buy it. Just wish it was mark 3 for my iron warriors

Back pack, leggings and chest plate are noticeably different. The shoulder pads have a thinner trim.

 infinite_array wrote:
I'm curious - how many of us are going to toss the board game part of this box right into the trash as soon as we open it?

If they're Space Hulk-esq tiles then I'll gladly take them off your hands.

If they're more of that Assassination Force abomination, then yeah, throw 'em out.

 infinite_array wrote:
I'm curious - how many of us are going to toss the board game part of this box right into the trash as soon as we open it?

That is pretty much what I will be doing. They will all join the Ranks of my Death Guard... or I could get 2 and start a new legion...hmm

Excited but wish the legion armor was Mark III instead of Mark IV well at least now I should be able to find Mark IV helmet bits for my legion army.

Seriously, anyone who doesn't want their tiles (should the tiles be proper tiles and not bull gak tiles), I will take them off your hands!

I guess the chest didn't look very different to me because of assault marines. And I can't really see the back pack. What pattern bolter is that? I can't really see it

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Seriously, anyone who doesn't want their tiles (should the tiles be proper tiles and not bull gak tiles), I will take them off your hands!

if i cant use them for any of my RPG games, you are welcome to them.

 infinite_array wrote:
I'm curious - how many of us are going to toss the board game part of this box right into the trash as soon as we open it?

I woudl probably be inclined to take the time to determine whether or not the game is good, first.

I love how that the guy who took the photos couldn't manage just a single one of the contents of the box. Guess there was another earthquake.

Man if this were released like 2 years ago I'd have been drooling all over it. Now I just feel like FW has been doing nothing but HH stuff for years and BL ran the series into the ground. I kinda just can't care, even if they are plastic. I think the worst part is the contemptor on top there with the utterly static legs, if I was to get a contemptor it will still have to be a FW one, no way do I want to get stuck with a static pose like that.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I love how that the guy who took the photos couldn't manage just a single one of the contents of the box. Guess there was another earthquake.

its some marketing guy somewhere, patting himself on the back.

I reckon those legs'll be convertable with just a tad work to make them less static

ZOMG. I'm pumped. The only question is, "how many?" O.O

jimkurtjimmy wrote:
So what are the major deferences between mark 4 and 7 other than the helmet. I need a little more motivation to buy it. Just wish it was mark 3 for my iron warriors

Quite a few differences...

- The Mk4 legs have the squared off "tabs" on the knees instead of the rounded ones on Mk7
- Mk4 has X-shaped cables across the chest that connects in a harness (much like Mk6, or the Rogue Trader beakie armor), whereas Mk7 has an aquilla on the chest
- Mk4 helmet looks like a cut-off beak with vents in it, while Mk7 has the flat respirator
- The backpack exhausts (the things off the round parts on the top) look a little different for Mk4. They're longer and more conical looking -- though this doesn't appear to be the case with the ones that come in plastic from the set.

Not sure if this has been posted allready
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/10/breaking-horus-heresy-game-first-pics-emerge.html

Yes, multiple times, and the title said "leaked pics"...

Those legs are easily convertable, come on Dakka, it's called a knife and greenstuff!!!

that dread most certainly is not mono pose, at least not to anyone with even a slight bit of skill at conversions.

Well, I'll be getting a box day one and probably another one down the line. My only gripe is the marines being on 32mm bases. It's not a surprise, just annoyed as all my current marines are on the old bases.

Good to see they pretty much took the age of Sigmar box art and 40ked it up a bit, close to same posed, and of course blue/gold vs red

Terminators look kinda 'samey' from the pick. The earlier leaked sprues at least show the marines have some variety in stance, but even they look very 'samey'. Almost like the old 3rd edition guys.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I love how that the guy who took the photos couldn't manage just a single one of the contents of the box.

Or the card text.

Maybe his camera just couldn't focus on those parts. You know, the camera that can only take pictures at resolutions of 401x411, or 216x380...

- H8

 Formosa wrote:
that dread most certainly is not mono pose, at least not to anyone with even a slight bit of skill at conversions.

It certainly is compared to the resin kit, where literally every joint on the "real" dread is an actual joint on the model that can be glued anywhere in its full range of motion. Maybe it's worth doing a lot of conversion work if the plastic dread is cheap, but it's a huge step back in quality.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
that dread most certainly is not mono pose, at least not to anyone with even a slight bit of skill at conversions.

It certainly is compared to the resin kit, where literally every joint on the "real" dread is an actual joint on the model that can be glued anywhere in its full range of motion. Maybe it's worth doing a lot of conversion work if the plastic dread is cheap, but it's a huge step back in quality.

Playing devils advocate here, but there is a reason as to why the dreadnought is so static posed. With the different casting practices made with plastic versus resin it would have taken more sprue space to have every joint be seperate and that could result also in seams showing more obviously. Not that it should matter much anyways, it looks like it'll be easy as hell to convert, thats definitely what im doing

 Blitza da warboy wrote:
Playing devils advocate here, but there is a reason as to why the dreadnought is so static posed. With the different casting practices made with plastic versus resin it would have taken more sprue space to have every joint be seperate and that could result also in seams showing more obviously. Not that it should matter much anyways, it looks like it'll be easy as hell to convert, thats definitely what im doing

Well yeah, I'm sure there were reasons for making a static pose. But those reasons don't matter to me as a customer, all that matters is the final product and its price. And the final product is much lower in quality than the resin version. So unless it's significantly cheaper (and I mean 50% of the price or less) it's just not going to be appealing at all.

Cut em up, pose em up!

For 150... might as well get two sets and be setting pretty in both 40k and 30k.

I have been without internet for a few weeks and on lunch break at work. These guys don't have any icons like the Dark Vengeance set right?

(I'm trying to see if these sets will be good for a Pre-heresy word bearers force.)

No iconography on them. They're factory fresh mk IVs, bling not included

 Peregrine wrote:

 Blitza da warboy wrote:
Playing devils advocate here, but there is a reason as to why the dreadnought is so static posed. With the different casting practices made with plastic versus resin it would have taken more sprue space to have every joint be seperate and that could result also in seams showing more obviously. Not that it should matter much anyways, it looks like it'll be easy as hell to convert, thats definitely what im doing

Well yeah, I'm sure there were reasons for making a static pose. But those reasons don't matter to me as a customer, all that matters is the final product and its price. And the final product is much lower in quality than the resin version. So unless it's significantly cheaper (and I mean 50% of the price or less) it's just not going to be appealing at all.

Well they marketing it as a board-game, static poses in board-games was the norm before all the stuff hit kickstarter.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Well they marketing it as a board-game, static poses in board-games was the norm before all the stuff hit kickstarter.

They can market it as whatever they want, but 95% of their purchases are going to be people buying plastic 30k marines without the slightest bit of concern for whatever board game rules happen to be in the box. And it's clearly not a traditional board game when you get a box full of sprues and have to spend huge amounts of time assembling all of the pieces. So they've just hit an awkward middle ground where the game has very little appeal to the "normal" board game market but the mono-pose models limit its appeal to the people who might otherwise want to buy it.

Honestly, I doubt that the monopose legs on the dreadnought are going to hurt sales all that significantly.

GW have always had monopose legs on their dreadnoughts. It's disappointing that they keep doing it, but not really that unexpected.

Love the art on the front. But annoyed by the monopose Contemptor, yeah it can be converted but I'm not overly confident with cutting models up, but I'm almost definitely gonna buy a box (assuming I can before they all sell out).

 insaniak wrote:
Honestly, I doubt that the monopose legs on the dreadnought are going to hurt sales all that significantly.

GW have always had monopose legs on their dreadnoughts. It's disappointing that they keep doing it, but not really that unexpected.

While that's true, the Contemptors have actual knees and such, and so it looks more noticeable on legs that much more anthropomorphic to be monopose than it does on the stubby regular dread legs.

Yes, I know that the regular dreads do have a molded knee joint in the middle of the leg, but it's well hidden by the leg armor, while the Contemptor's is a much more prominent part of its leg.

Oh, and I agree that it won't really hurt sales. I'm still buying at least 3 of these. But it would have been really nice to have had multiposeability on the plastic Contemptors. Hopefully they really are easy to convert.

 Blitza da warboy wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
that dread most certainly is not mono pose, at least not to anyone with even a slight bit of skill at conversions.

It certainly is compared to the resin kit, where literally every joint on the "real" dread is an actual joint on the model that can be glued anywhere in its full range of motion. Maybe it's worth doing a lot of conversion work if the plastic dread is cheap, but it's a huge step back in quality.

Playing devils advocate here, but there is a reason as to why the dreadnought is so static posed. With the different casting practices made with plastic versus resin it would have taken more sprue space to have every joint be seperate and that could result also in seams showing more obviously. Not that it should matter much anyways, it looks like it'll be easy as hell to convert, thats definitely what im doing

When we speak of posability of a dreadnought, we're talking about rotation of the upper torso, the legs being able to rotate forwards and back, having a jointed knee, a jointed foot. To a lesser extent, rotation of the arms, because the weapons limit what you can do with them anyhow; and rotation of the head isn't important (or possible) with many dreadnought designs.

In the plastic contemptor, the arms are as posable as any other dreadnought. The waist (attaching the upper from lower torso) is cast as one piece, but it looks like it would be trivial to slice in two and twist. Similarly, the legs look trivial to cut off and rotate.

Where you run into trouble are the knees: this requires some real skill and sculpting to mess with, but this isn't any different from any other plastic plastic dreadnought. And, without adjustable feet (which regular pastic dreads do have), you're pretty limited in what you could do with the legs anyhow.

At the end of the day, though, I'm only getting 1 comptemptor to a $150 box, so I'm not really worried. I mean, it's not like I'm going to ever have a whole bunch of them. 3 would probably be it, and within that context, I think they'll be posable enough; of course, I always prefer more joints to fewer, but I agree with you, that the sprue only has so much space, and cost and box space are certainly both issues. I would really like to see how interchangeable/adaptable they are to the resin Contemptors, and resin parts, though. Generally, I don't buy Forge World Contemptors because it takes me longer to prep one than it does to finish an entire plastic dreadnought.

Edit: ahhhh I see the LoW post says the arms are interchangeable with resin bits. ZOMG. WANT NAO.

In case anyone missed it..

https://www.facebook.com/Lordsofwargaming/?fref=nf (top post)
https://www.facebook.com/Lordsofwargaming/photos/a.485855751541208.1073741829.422816981178419/831040963689350/?type=3

Contents of the Box:
30x Tactical marines MK IV ONLY!
5x Cataphractii Terminators
1x Contemptor with Lascannon and CCW (FW Contemptor arms are interchangeable with the new plastics)
1x Praetor
1x Chaplain
The game box will be the only way to get the models for the initial release. The more you buy the faster the minis will come out in squad form

 insaniak wrote:
GW have always had monopose legs on their dreadnoughts.

Yeah, but in this case it's a monopose version of a kit that DOES have a full range of posing options for its legs. It's clearly an inferior product where the only possible appeal is that it might be cheap enough compared to the FW kit that people are willing to put up with a single pose. I understand that there are reasons to do it that way, but for me unless it's a $10-20 kit I'm not even going to consider buying one over the FW version.

Not being able to twist the torso seems like a big flaw.

Wonder how hard a crouched pose would be with the plastic version?


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Wonder how hard a crouched pose would be with the plastic version?

shade1313 wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
Honestly, I doubt that the monopose legs on the dreadnought are going to hurt sales all that significantly.

GW have always had monopose legs on their dreadnoughts. It's disappointing that they keep doing it, but not really that unexpected.

While that's true, the Contemptors have actual knees and such, and so it looks more noticeable on legs that much more anthropomorphic to be monopose than it does on the stubby regular dread legs.

They also might have been able to get away with it easily 10 years ago, but these days they have a lot of competition these days. I know that's why I don't own a knight. I think I'd enjoy painting one but the legs are stuck while the Dreamforge ones are fully posible, so I bought a couple of those instead.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Not being able to twist the torso seems like a big flaw.

I totally agree that the torso should be twistable, but this looks very easy to do, since we can see both the front and back piece of the body of the dreadnought. It would have been better detached, even if it were a flat joint (instead of a ball joint).

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Not being able to twist the torso seems like a big flaw.

Exactly! Having a monopose body in a boring pose is just inexcusable. It's probably easier to fix compared to the leg problems, but why would you turn one of the most dynamic kits in 40k into a monopose embarrassment? At least put the torso into an interesting pose if you're going to do that!


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 jonolikespie wrote:
I know that's why I don't own a knight. I think I'd enjoy painting one but the legs are stuck while the Dreamforge ones are fully posible, so I bought a couple of those instead.

Yeah, same here, just without the Dreamforge purchase. The knight might have been interesting but those static legs just kill it for me. If I ever buy a knight it's going to be one of the FW variants just so I can have some decent posing options.

Out of curiosity, Peregrine, do you own a Space Marine army?

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Out of curiosity, Peregrine, do you own a Space Marine army?

Nope. I've thought about it, especially now that the 30k Raven Guard stuff is coming out, but I haven't invested the money and painting time yet. I did, however, buy a FW Contemptor for my DKoK army (pic to demonstrate the posing options):

Ahhh. Nice paint job on the Contemptor.

And if it's not clear from the picture, the ankle, knee and hip joints are all built as separate pieces and can be assembled anywhere in the full range of motion on the "real" dread. The waist joint is actually two separate joints (one between the hip and the waist piece, and one hidden where the waist bit goes up inside the main body). The arms have shoulder (x2) and elbow joints, and the claw arms can rotate at the wrist and have separate finger pieces. IOW, if you can imagine the "real" dread doing a particular pose then you can probably build it that way.

jimkurtjimmy wrote:
So what are the major deferences between mark 4 and 7 other than the helmet. I need a little more motivation to buy it. Just wish it was mark 3 for my iron warriors

Pretty much every part except the cuisse and the sabatons.





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I dig the idea of MKIII in plastic too, but I'm totally down for some MK IV. It's not like the legions used a single armour mark by the end of the great crusade. Since my Death Guard are in almost all MKIII these will add some nice diversity to the force.

Yeah contemptors got some great posing options, especially if you magnetize.


(Sorry for blur. New house has awful lighting.)

Even if it's monopose, a little love and a jeweller's saw should be able to make the plastic contemptor about as customizable as it's resin cousins.

Am interested to see how the game splits the 2 forces, say the Marines are an equal split, a character each and the Terminators and Contemptor on opposing sides? Or maybe there will be a recycling mechanic for those heretical Word Bearers.

I also hope the game itself is fun with lots of replay value.

Having no real knowledge of Forge World I really like the look of the Mark IV meltagun as well. Roll on November 14th.

However from fw you can't buy 30 tacs, Contemptor, cataphractii and characters for 90 quid or so - there's the appeal for most.

Given that this is effectively the HH starter set, I wonder if they'll do a more posable Contemptor further down the line; Assault on Black Reach had a much simplified dread and Dark Vengeance's Helbrute was followed by the more flexible model.

rtb02 wrote:
However from fw you can't buy 30 tacs, Contemptor, cataphractii and characters for 90 quid or so - there's the appeal for most.

This has been acknowledged, but it's still kind of disappointing that the only reason to buy the new "game" seems to be that it's cheaper than the better models.


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 Jadenim wrote:
Given that this is effectively the HH starter set, I wonder if they'll do a more posable Contemptor further down the line; Assault on Black Reach had a much simplified dread and Dark Vengeance's Helbrute was followed by the more flexible model.

Maybe? That seems like a lot of extra money to spend on kit design, especially when there's already the FW model available. It doesn't seem to be a starter set in the traditional sense and most of the buyers are probably going to be people with existing 40k armies who want to start 30k. So why produce a crippled version of the kits instead of just doing it right the first time? I guess it could happen but my guess would be this is it for a plastic Contemptor, at least for the foreseeable future.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Well they marketing it as a board-game, static poses in board-games was the norm before all the stuff hit kickstarter.

They can market it as whatever they want, but 95% of their purchases are going to be people buying plastic 30k marines without the slightest bit of concern for whatever board game rules happen to be in the box. And it's clearly not a traditional board game when you get a box full of sprues and have to spend huge amounts of time assembling all of the pieces. So they've just hit an awkward middle ground where the game has very little appeal to the "normal" board game market but the mono-pose models limit its appeal to the people who might otherwise want to buy it.

GW decides what the Market is, not you and this thing called logic! go away!

 Peregrine wrote:

rtb02 wrote:
However from fw you can't buy 30 tacs, Contemptor, cataphractii and characters for 90 quid or so - there's the appeal for most.

This has been acknowledged, but it's still kind of disappointing that the only reason to buy the new "game" seems to be that it's cheaper than the better models

The tacticals are all fully posed ala the fw kits so currently it's the Contemptor only that is "better" from fw.