I would like to add to my collection of weird GW freebies (buttons/pins/ wristbands/ etc). However I seriously doubt that my FLGS could sell 30+ copy's of "HH".
I hope some of the "Marine Pin's" are Word Bearers. I do not really want a Smurfy one.
Nicorex wrote: I would like to add to my collection of weird GW freebies (buttons/pins/ wristbands/ etc). However I seriously doubt that my FLGS could sell 30+ copy's of "HH".
I hope some of the "Marine Pin's" are Word Bearers. I do not really want a Smurfy one.
WB's one should be with decembers Warhammer Visions afaik^^
The only* (thus far, with the info we have*) dissapointment for me is that the UM character seems based upon exactly the same body as the Terminator Sgt. The Word Bearers get a full on unique character sculpt.
Thraxas Of Turai wrote: The only* (thus far, with the info we have*) dissapointment for me is that the UM character seems based upon exactly the same body as the Terminator Sgt. The Word Bearers get a full on unique character sculpt.
Good thing he also comes with ultra marine transfers.
Thraxas Of Turai wrote: The only* (thus far, with the info we have*) dissapointment for me is that the UM character seems based upon exactly the same body as the Terminator Sgt. The Word Bearers get a full on unique character sculpt.
I don't think it is, the armours all different, he has a cloak. The Terminators are a full kit, it just happens the sergeant has been built in a similar pose to the UM character.
I love the crisp paint job GW gave the Heresy Marines! A true benefit after the recent paint jobs from FW like the Mor Deythan f.e. Yet the Word Bearers' red could have been a little less Blood Angel like, more like a colder red but that's really complaining on a high level.
There's some awesome bits in that Veteran Tactical Squad! Love that new power sword and plasma pistol, and the Heavy Bolter is awesome too!
I wonder how hard it would be to give the Terminator Preator the sword from the Terminator Sergeant....
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Requizen wrote: Are the special/heavy weapons set or are there options? I ask for purposes of using them as 40k Marines.
In each Tactical Squad there's a modular Combi-weapon, and 1 each of Plasma, Melta, Flamer, Heavy Bolter and Missile Launcher (so 3 of each in the set in total).
Those game pics don't fill me with confidence, it all looks a bit crowded, not a claustrophobic Zone Mortalis way but in a 'How many Marines can we fit in one hex' way.
the infantry look great though. I'm torn between getting one box to add a MkIV full tactical squad to my EC, or buying two to get a full tactical squad, and enough specials/heavies for multiple six man support/devastator squads.
My only beef with the new set is how GW painted the WB. They look like Blood Angels. I wish they would have gone for the darker color FW used. Oh well, still very excited for this set!.
The tiles look like hard card, in the first pics they looked like foamboard to me. I have an idea to try making a city scape on them, a 1:1000(0) campaign map like the planetary empires but larger scale.
Paradigm wrote: There's some awesome bits in that Veteran Tactical Squad! Love that new power sword and plasma pistol, and the Heavy Bolter is awesome too!
I wonder how hard it would be to give the Terminator Preator the sword from the Terminator Sergeant....
not hard I should think, I don't see why he has a ... chain-[whatever those wrist blades from bloodrayne are], I'll probably just convert him to be a 6th member of the terminator squad.
Thraxas Of Turai wrote: The only* (thus far, with the info we have*) dissapointment for me is that the UM character seems based upon exactly the same body as the Terminator Sgt. The Word Bearers get a full on unique character sculpt.
I don't think it is, the armours all different, he has a cloak. The Terminators are a full kit, it just happens the sergeant has been built in a similar pose to the UM character.
Good spot, confirmed now we have the close up pictures. Oddly similar poses though. Kurtha Sedd looks amazing.
Thraxas Of Turai wrote: The only* (thus far, with the info we have*) dissapointment for me is that the UM character seems based upon exactly the same body as the Terminator Sgt. The Word Bearers get a full on unique character sculpt.
I don't think it is, the armours all different, he has a cloak. The Terminators are a full kit, it just happens the sergeant has been built in a similar pose to the UM character.
Good spot, confirmed now we have the close up pictures. Oddly similar poses though. Kurtha Sedd looks amazing.
Yep, Regardless of what happens to the rest as and when I get a box, he's going straight into my Word Bearers skirmish warband, with suitably chaosy headswap... and if I ever revisit my Dark Angels, I know where the Interrogator Chaplain is coming from... and you could get a pretty badass Inquisitor with some conversion too... Yeah, in short, I hope these boxes stay on general release and get parted out cheaply on ebay, as I'm going to need multiple copies of Sedd and possibly the UM guy too if he's easy enough to convert...
From reading the first pages - Thank you very much, GM - the following can be confirmed
- Two-sided game tiles
- Tactical points (used to move and shoot with the models)
- Symbols on dice are Hit, Critical hit, Shield (word for word translation)
- Event cards
- A 6 mission campaign
someone speaking German?
to explain how the game works
Easy!
Open box
Toss out non-space marine stuff.
Begin your HH army...
I think this is how 99% of buyers are going to play this game.
GW will then think "wow, good reaction to this board game, let's make more board games!" and totally fail to realize 99% of people buying it are only doing so for Horus Heresy miniatures...
someone speaking German?
to explain how the game works
Easy!
Open box
Toss out non-space marine stuff.
Begin your HH army...
I think this is how 99% of buyers are going to play this game.
GW will then think "wow, good reaction to this board game, let's make more board games!" and totally fail to realize 99% of people buying it are only doing so for Horus Heresy miniatures...
As long as those boardgames start with "B" and end with "lood Bowl", they can release all they want.
Which books do I need to play? The Horus Heresy Legion Astartes Gamers Collection, or The Isstvan Trilogy. I'm thinking of going Dark Angels and they don't have a dedicated book yet.
Tagony wrote: Which books do I need to play? The Horus Heresy Legion Astartes Gamers Collection, or The Isstvan Trilogy. I'm thinking of going Dark Angels and they don't have a dedicated book yet.
Just the Legiones Astartes crusade army list book then. Everything else covers other legions. The rules for Dark Angels will be in book 6 when that's released.
shade1313 wrote: And now, seeing the plastic Contemptor right next to a resin one (blinged out Emperor's Children version), and I continue to think to myself, "What the feth is everyone's problem with it?"
Monopose? Okay, I can sympathize with that, but other than that? Not seeing why people act like it's terrible.
Most people aren't acting like it's terrible, just saying that it's not as good as they expected and/or hoped for, due to the monopose legs and the sacrifices in detail made for the sake of fewer parts.
Unfortunately, most negative comments these days immediately get taken as 'hating', and it's impossible for someone to dislike aspects of something without being apoplectic with rage.
In a set that includes multi-part marines and multi-part terminators, the decision to build such a basic kit for the dreadnought is a weird one, and it lets the kit down. If it had been included in a Dark Vengeance-style starter with push-together miniatures, it wouldn't have looked so out of place.
shade1313 wrote: And now, seeing the plastic Contemptor right next to a resin one (blinged out Emperor's Children version), and I continue to think to myself, "What the feth is everyone's problem with it?"
Monopose? Okay, I can sympathize with that, but other than that? Not seeing why people act like it's terrible.
Most people aren't acting like it's terrible, just saying that it's not as good as they expected and/or hoped for, due to the monopose legs and the sacrifices in detail made for the sake of fewer parts.
Unfortunately, most negative comments these days immediately get taken as 'hating', and it's impossible for someone to dislike aspects of something without being apoplectic with rage.
In a set that includes multi-part marines and multi-part terminators, the decision to build such a basic kit for the dreadnought is a weird one, and it lets the kit down. If it had been included in a Dark Vengeance-style starter with push-together miniatures, it wouldn't have looked so out of place.
It's refreshing that someone has actually read what people were complaining about.
Tagony wrote: Ah ok, thanks again! I'm really new to 30k obviously but those models are just so dang enticing. It will be odd doing my dark angels in all black.
2 HQs (1 power armor leader with jump pack & 1 termie), 2 Elites (5 termies & 1 dread), 2 troops (of 10 each), & 1 fast (10 troops converted to assualt with jump packs)....
Just a rough base point for all this?
Is 1000 points about right?
Bare naked, you're looking at about 1100-1200 points. It really depends on which Rite Of War you take. If you go with Pride Of The Legion, you can make 3 Veteran Tact squads and Termies, all of which are troops. Or you can go with 2x 15man Tact squads.
shade1313 wrote: And now, seeing the plastic Contemptor right next to a resin one (blinged out Emperor's Children version), and I continue to think to myself, "What the feth is everyone's problem with it?"
Monopose? Okay, I can sympathize with that, but other than that? Not seeing why people act like it's terrible.
Most people aren't acting like it's terrible, just saying that it's not as good as they expected and/or hoped for, due to the monopose legs and the sacrifices in detail made for the sake of fewer parts.
Unfortunately, most negative comments these days immediately get taken as 'hating', and it's impossible for someone to dislike aspects of something without being apoplectic with rage.
In a set that includes multi-part marines and multi-part terminators, the decision to build such a basic kit for the dreadnought is a weird one, and it lets the kit down. If it had been included in a Dark Vengeance-style starter with push-together miniatures, it wouldn't have looked so out of place.
It's refreshing that someone has actually read what people were complaining about.
End of the year at the earliest, though chances are not until some time next year.
It will contain rules for the Dark Angels, Blood Angels, White Scars, Black Shields and Garro's band of paladins.
At the 40k open day a couple of weekends ago it was confirmed that book 6 (Retribution) has been pushed back to early 2016.
there is some speculation it will be out at the Horus Heresy weekender in Feb.
shade1313 wrote: And now, seeing the plastic Contemptor right next to a resin one (blinged out Emperor's Children version), and I continue to think to myself, "What the feth is everyone's problem with it?"
Monopose? Okay, I can sympathize with that, but other than that? Not seeing why people act like it's terrible.
Most people aren't acting like it's terrible, just saying that it's not as good as they expected and/or hoped for, due to the monopose legs and the sacrifices in detail made for the sake of fewer parts.
Unfortunately, most negative comments these days immediately get taken as 'hating', and it's impossible for someone to dislike aspects of something without being apoplectic with rage.
In a set that includes multi-part marines and multi-part terminators, the decision to build such a basic kit for the dreadnought is a weird one, and it lets the kit down. If it had been included in a Dark Vengeance-style starter with push-together miniatures, it wouldn't have looked so out of place.
It's refreshing that someone has actually read what people were complaining about.
It's an elegant get-out and I didn't rise to it the first time but seriously, not everyone just dismissed what you were saying as "haters gonna hate". I addressed this specific point that I think it's weird how you're ragging on it for being monopose when it's a starter box model and you didn't come back on that, you just did this "It'd be nice if people actually bothered to read the complaints" thing. I decided to just let it drop at that point but if you're going to keep saying it then I will have to object.
There's going to be a fair amount in it so I'm not overly surprised it's been pushed back; rules for Blood Angels, Dark Angels and White Scars, rules for Shattered Legions and Black Shields, a crap tonne of new Rites of Wars for all legions, and I think there was mention of some of the worse units (such as Justaerin, Pheonix Guard, Kakophonie) being updated too.
Any pics of the full release list for preorders for this week? I'm mostly interested in any Horus Heresy books that might be released at the same time...
shade1313 wrote: And now, seeing the plastic Contemptor right next to a resin one (blinged out Emperor's Children version), and I continue to think to myself, "What the feth is everyone's problem with it?"
Monopose? Okay, I can sympathize with that, but other than that? Not seeing why people act like it's terrible.
Most people aren't acting like it's terrible, just saying that it's not as good as they expected and/or hoped for, due to the monopose legs and the sacrifices in detail made for the sake of fewer parts.
Unfortunately, most negative comments these days immediately get taken as 'hating', and it's impossible for someone to dislike aspects of something without being apoplectic with rage.
In a set that includes multi-part marines and multi-part terminators, the decision to build such a basic kit for the dreadnought is a weird one, and it lets the kit down. If it had been included in a Dark Vengeance-style starter with push-together miniatures, it wouldn't have looked so out of place.
It's refreshing that someone has actually read what people were complaining about.
It's an elegant get-out and I didn't rise to it the first time but seriously, not everyone just dismissed what you were saying as "haters gonna hate". I addressed this specific point that I think it's weird how you're ragging on it for being monopose when it's a starter box model and you didn't come back on that, you just did this "It'd be nice if people actually bothered to read the complaints" thing. I decided to just let it drop at that point but if you're going to keep saying it then I will have to object.
Nope, I came back on that, as I have done multiple times. It's not a starter box. The contemptor is the only model in the box that's monopose, save the two characters. I've said before, if the rest of the box were monopose it wouldn't be a big deal, but everything else being proper kits makes it disappointing that the Contemptor isn't.
ADarke wrote: Any pics of the full release list for preorders for this week? I'm mostly interested in any Horus Heresy books that might be released at the same time...
Can't help you with pictures.
However, you can read the Black Library thread for HH books.
OK, I must've missed your response if you did in fact reply to me at the point beyond the "It'd be nice if people bothered to read what I have to say" post. So, fair enough. If you had, though, you'd realise that I specifically said that I think it's totally perverse to be more unhappy about the dreadnought being monopose when the rest of the box isn't - like the fact that the rest of it is better means it's even worse that this bit is as expected. Seriously? I think that's cray. "Thanks so much for all the ferraris, I just have to say that I'm really disappointed that there's a ford escort over here too, it's terrible". Get real.
And it's totally a starter box. It's a big bundle deal of flashy minis at a reduced price to use as a customer recruiting tool for stores. I love the idea that putting some rules for some half-arsed boardgame in there changes that. Talk about pedantic.
When I say it's not a starter box, I mean it's not a box like Dark Vengence, or whatever. Ya know, where all the models are monopose.
I don't get what your issue is with me being dissapointed with the Contemptor because it isn't posable like the rest of the box is..? It's not about the rest of it being better making the dreadnought worse, it's about the rest of it being better just highlighting the fact that I'm not keen on the monopose dread. We're the rest of it worse I might not have noticed so much. It's not even that I don't like the dread, it's that I'm a bit dissapointed with it next to the rest of the kit. You know, like I've said more than once.
5x Terminators in Cataphractii Armour Dread with Assault Cannon
2x 15 Tactical Marines, Power Weapon on Sergeant
Comes to around 1150 points, it could probably come closer to 1300 if you ran them as Tactical Veteran/Support Squads and added more extras.
Wonderful! Thank you. I was trying to decide wether to buy 1 or 2 boxes, or just 1 & then some FW vehicles to transport them. Thanks!
Personally, if I were using this as a basis for a full HH army, I'd do it roughly like this:
1 box of this set, built as:
2x10 Tacticals 2x5 Tactical Support (one with full specials, 1 with full heavies. You'll need to convert/trade/buy a couple of extra guns, though)
Termies as standard Dread with weapons of choice
Then add, from FW: Your Legion's special unit, as there's no point playing a HH army if you can't have the cool toys! A couple of Rhinos (might be worth waiting to see if GW comes out with plastic ones, as they're a likely candidate for plastification, I'd think) A Land Raider for the Termies or Special Unit (a standard GW one will do, as they were definitely around in 30k) OR a Spartan if you're wanting something massive
And if you've got any budget left, a Primarch. With the 25% Lord of War limit, and most Primarchs being around 500-600 points I think, you basically want to build an army to 1500 before you add a Primarch.
I don't have an "issue" with your opinion, I just wanted to discuss how I thought it was a weird place to be coming at the set from and at the time you dismissed it as "People should bother to read the complaints". Which is faintly ironic - you complaining about people dismissing your POV was in turn dismissive of mine, which is what I took issue with.
Any 40kSM players, would this be a decent way to start an army? If, of course, one was not going Bikes, because that would be something completely different.
Would this be a decent start if I just wanted to start a Codex SM force? Or maybe a Dark Angels Greenwing?
I wasn't dismissive of yours at all (on purpose), maybe I misread, but I definitely didn't get the impression that you wanted to discuss anything.
To be honest at that point I was fairly annoyed at someone saying I was 'turning the forum into a pit of despair' because I (and others) wasn't as happy with the Contemptor as they. The 'people should read complaints' wasn't aimed at you, it was much more general.
But I apologise if it seemed like I was dismissing you.
Bull0 wrote: I don't have an "issue" with your opinion, I just wanted to discuss how I thought it was a weird place to be coming at the set from and at the time you dismissed it as "People should bother to read the complaints". Which is faintly ironic - you complaining about people dismissing your POV was in turn dismissive of mine, which is what I took issue with.
Have you had the last word yet? Can we all just get on with being allowed to have differing opinions now and move on?
Requizen wrote: Any 40kSM players, would this be a decent way to start an army? If, of course, one was not going Bikes, because that would be something completely different.
Would this be a decent start if I just wanted to start a Codex SM force? Or maybe a Dark Angels Greenwing?
If I was just starting 40k or I was starting a new 40k army, I would get one. It is a very good value and you'll have the bodies to make just about any infantry you want.
You'll need to buy the vehicles you want, and may need to bitz order some things to fill out the individual squads.
5x Terminators in Cataphractii Armour
Dread with Assault Cannon
2x 15 Tactical Marines, Power Weapon on Sergeant
Comes to around 1150 points, it could probably come closer to 1300 if you ran them as Tactical Veteran/Support Squads and added more extras.
Wonderful! Thank you. I was trying to decide wether to buy 1 or 2 boxes, or just 1 & then some FW vehicles to transport them. Thanks!
Personally, if I were using this as a basis for a full HH army, I'd do it roughly like this:
1 box of this set, built as:
2x10 Tacticals
2x5 Tactical Support (one with full specials, 1 with full heavies. You'll need to convert/trade/buy a couple of extra guns, though)
Termies as standard
Dread with weapons of choice
Then add, from FW:
Your Legion's special unit, as there's no point playing a HH army if you can't have the cool toys!
A couple of Rhinos (might be worth waiting to see if GW comes out with plastic ones, as they're a likely candidate for plastification, I'd think)
A Land Raider for the Termies or Special Unit (a standard GW one will do, as they were definitely around in 30k)
OR a Spartan if you're wanting something massive
And if you've got any budget left, a Primarch. With the 25% Lord of War limit, and most Primarchs being around 500-600 points I think, you basically want to build an army to 1500 before you add a Primarch.
Most excellent Paradigm! You read my mind! Thanks again for the advice. I was leaning towards Raven Guard or Dark Angels (since I started with DA back in Rogue Trader times!) A bit nostalgic for me.
Requizen wrote: Any 40kSM players, would this be a decent way to start an army? If, of course, one was not going Bikes, because that would be something completely different.
Would this be a decent start if I just wanted to start a Codex SM force? Or maybe a Dark Angels Greenwing?
It would be a great start. Not only is it a good deal, but it it would make your army look amazing and more unique.
Requizen wrote: Any 40kSM players, would this be a decent way to start an army? If, of course, one was not going Bikes, because that would be something completely different.
Would this be a decent start if I just wanted to start a Codex SM force? Or maybe a Dark Angels Greenwing?
If I was just starting 40k or I was starting a new 40k army, I would get one. It is a very good value and you'll have the bodies to make just about any infantry you want.
You'll need to buy the vehicles you want, and may need to bitz order some things to fill out the individual squads.
-frank
I'd use it as a foundation for a new space marine army just on the basis that I really like MK IV armour. In terms of value though, the characters and dreadnought aren't going to be a ton of use for vanilla space marines, so you're really talking about £95 for three tactical boxes and a terminator box, which would normally be £103. I expect you could trade the contemptor away for something vanilla like a rhino.
Well you could still use the dread and the characters couldn't you? The characters could just be a captain/chapter master and you can run Contemptors in 40k still.
Or do you just mean gameplay wise they aren't very good?
ImAGeek wrote: Well you could still use the dread and the characters couldn't you? The characters could just be a captain/chapter master and you can run Contemptors in 40k still.
Or do you just mean gameplay wise they aren't very good?
Using forge world in vanilla is a bit dependent on your local meta or whatever, so it's not something I'd recommend without knowing more. And yeah, I don't think I'd run a captain with a chainfist and a storm bolter somehow, guess the chaplain would be OK. I'd try to trade the lot for some vanilla bling, but then there'll probably be a few of them floating around with people buying multiple boxes for the marines, so...
Requizen wrote: Any 40kSM players, would this be a decent way to start an army? If, of course, one was not going Bikes, because that would be something completely different.
Would this be a decent start if I just wanted to start a Codex SM force? Or maybe a Dark Angels Greenwing?
If I was just starting 40k or I was starting a new 40k army, I would get one. It is a very good value and you'll have the bodies to make just about any infantry you want.
You'll need to buy the vehicles you want, and may need to bitz order some things to fill out the individual squads.
-frank
What about CSM? I have Typhus and Zombies, and turning these guys into Death Guard/Plague Marines and Termicide seems pretty good, maybe?
Absolutely. People have been asking for plastic HH stuff for years, and they're finally getting it. Even the dreadnought - while it's not perfect, it is a plastic Contemptor, and it's ultimately no worse detail-wise or pose-wise than the BfM Dreadnought was.
How right will ultimately depend on whether or not the game is actually good, or just pointless box filler...
Absolutely. People have been asking for plastic HH stuff for years, and they're finally getting it. Even the dreadnought - while it's not perfect, it is a plastic Contemptor, and it's ultimately no worse detail-wise or pose-wise than the BfM Dreadnought was.
How right will ultimately depend on whether or not the game is actually good, or just pointless box filler...
The fact that GW is giving people a cheap(er) way to get into Horus Heresy means they are doing something right for many people. Hell, even people who aren't interested in 30K but like the older armour marks will like this.
Absolutely. People have been asking for plastic HH stuff for years, and they're finally getting it. Even the dreadnought - while it's not perfect, it is a plastic Contemptor, and it's ultimately no worse detail-wise or pose-wise than the BfM Dreadnought was.
How right will ultimately depend on whether or not the game is actually good, or just pointless box filler...
True.
The game looks like it will be better than the Assassin's game at least although that's hardly saying much.
I'm hopefully that the detail on the sprues in a good sign that these won't be going away any time soon.
I'd have been more sceptical if they'd been more like the other box set plastics.
Personally, if I were using this as a basis for a full HH army, I'd do it roughly like this:
1 box of this set, built as:
2x10 Tacticals
2x5 Tactical Support (one with full specials, 1 with full heavies. You'll need to convert/trade/buy a couple of extra guns, though)
Termies as standard
Dread with weapons of choice
Then add, from FW:
Your Legion's special unit, as there's no point playing a HH army if you can't have the cool toys!
A couple of Rhinos (might be worth waiting to see if GW comes out with plastic ones, as they're a likely candidate for plastification, I'd think)
A Land Raider for the Termies or Special Unit (a standard GW one will do, as they were definitely around in 30k)
OR a Spartan if you're wanting something massive
And if you've got any budget left, a Primarch. With the 25% Lord of War limit, and most Primarchs being around 500-600 points I think, you basically want to build an army to 1500 before you add a Primarch.
Super handy, thank you! So, as I'm going Night Lords (thanks to Kabuki's recent special offer), I presumably want a Terror Squad or two? I am pretty sure I can arrange a Land Raider...
This is what Dreadnoughts should always have looked like, if you grew up with the Space Marine/Epic system!
The more I look at the PA dudes, the worse they look though. The skinny pad rims and funky arm dimensions don't look great. Hmmm. Butt moving towards fence... indecision!
conker249 wrote: I would be interested in seeing Financial reports on GW before and after the HH box releases(give a few months)
If what I heard about the number produced they should make 2.7 million USD net if they sell out.
That would be 18,000 boxes at $150?
I think it would be more boxes than that.
Edit -- oh wait, net... I'm not sure what that means. Net profit? At what price? They make a different amount of profit depending on what area of the world, whether it's through a GW store, online, or through an independent, an so on. And then we don't know what the cost of manufacture is.
The Contemptor was the prominent Dreadnought design in early 2nd edition of Epic because he was available in plastic since about 1991. There were also 6mm metal ones before it which were scaled down models of the Rogue Trader Dreadnoughts like the Deredo and also metal Contemptors. The FW Contemptor design is identical to the plastic Epic one
That sprue also contained the Chaos Androids and Chaos Dreadnoughts from Space Crusade. Chaos robots and machines were built and maintained by Chaos Squats. Quite a while ago...
The 2nd ed 40k Dreadnoughts which had been updated by Jes were transfered to Epic in 3rd Edition in 1997.
In 2010 photos on the GW blog showing the GW Design Studio rooms there was a 3up of the old plastic Epic Contemptor sitting on a shelf/top of a drawer. It's a classic design, older than the Jes Goodwin Dreadnoughts of current 40k.
I will use mine as a Venerable Dreadnought in 40k. So much better than the actual kit which I think is quite boring.
Atia is correct, it was available during 2nd Edition of 40k. Thats just someone putting it on a round 40mm.
Also the new Dreadnoughts in 2nd Ed even came without bases and some people like GW put it on custom square bases. See the old Bjorn model released in 1994
The old stuff is great, but really not the topic of discussion here. The painting and modelling section would be more appropriate for showing then off.
Has the last page of the upcoming White Dwarf been leaked already? There are rumors about a few more HH releases but I doubt that is true before seeing any pics hinting at that
This week we are getting the Betrayal at Calth Horus Heresy Board Game. That really is about it, but it is enough. This is a great buy for the models themselves, and hey! there is a board game attached. The best part is,....... there will be additional printings of this game. The sad part.... is that it may not come until January. But hey, if this is immensely popular, what do you expect, at least it is not limited.
Let me say the Horus Heresy game is not going to be a once and done. I was told GW expects to run out, but a 2nd print run will come in January 2016. All models are plastic and have no insignia on them. Decals will be included to make the marines whichever faction from the box set you want. These models can be used in Warhammer 40k or 30k.
-Aaron
not new info, but interesting the 2nd printing won't show up till January
Ashiraya wrote: 14 Nov? That's straight on my birthday party!
Happy bday Ashi!
The nice thing about November birthdays is there is often a lot of cool stuff released around them. Of course, there is that thin window between seeing if you get something as a birthday gift and Christmas to buy stuff for yourself.
I can certainly see a second printing taking a bit of time. While GW can produce all the models on demand in their own facility, someone else makes the cardboard and paper.
Tannhauser42 wrote: I can certainly see a second printing taking a bit of time. While GW can produce all the models on demand in their own facility, someone else makes the cardboard and paper.
Why on earth would they order a second printing now?
If they anticipate high demand, they could’ve ordered the first printing large enough, or a second printing months ago.
If they react to demand, while keeping the first print run safe and small, they won’t order anything (and no secret Natfka-spy could spill anything about it) until they have the first numbers to crunch next week.
Occam’s Razor... Natfka is just making gak up based on last year’s Space Hulk, which sold out and had a small encore in January.
Ashiraya wrote: 14 Nov? That's straight on my birthday party!
Happy bday Ashi!
The nice thing about November birthdays is there is often a lot of cool stuff released around them. Of course, there is that thin window between seeing if you get something as a birthday gift and Christmas to buy stuff for yourself.
(Gets older this Friday)
My actual bday is the 10th, but that is not a good day for parties because I spend most of that day in school.
I wonder why November often is when the cool stuff is released, though?
Tannhauser42 wrote: I can certainly see a second printing taking a bit of time. While GW can produce all the models on demand in their own facility, someone else makes the cardboard and paper.
Why on earth would they order a second printing now?
If they anticipate high demand, they could’ve ordered the first printing large enough, or a second printing months ago.
If they react to demand, while keeping the first print run safe and small, they won’t order anything (and no secret Natfka-spy could spill anything about it) until they have the first numbers to crunch next week.
Occam’s Razor... Natfka is just making gak up based on last year’s Space Hulk, which sold out and had a small encore in January.
It makes perfect sense to me. There are limits to their production capabilities, and they'd have to plan their production schedule well in advance. They probably anticipated demand being at a certain level, but they didn't want to tie up their machines that long. So an initial Calth run to see them through for a while, then production of other needed kits, then more Calth to satisfy remaining demand.
I'm hardly an expert on production and manufacturing, but I know that it's often a big juggling exercise.
Tannhauser42 wrote: I can certainly see a second printing taking a bit of time. While GW can produce all the models on demand in their own facility, someone else makes the cardboard and paper.
Why on earth would they order a second printing now?
If they anticipate high demand, they could’ve ordered the first printing large enough, or a second printing months ago.
If they react to demand, while keeping the first print run safe and small, they won’t order anything (and no secret Natfka-spy could spill anything about it) until they have the first numbers to crunch next week.
Occam’s Razor... Natfka is just making gak up based on last year’s Space Hulk, which sold out and had a small encore in January.
It makes perfect sense to me. There are limits to their production capabilities, and they'd have to plan their production schedule well in advance. They probably anticipated demand being at a certain level, but they didn't want to tie up their machines that long. So an initial Calth run to see them through for a while, then production of other needed kits, then more Calth to satisfy remaining demand.
I'm hardly an expert on production and manufacturing, but I know that it's often a big juggling exercise.
IMHO if this is going to be the entry point for the Horus Heresy game then this needs to be the equivalent starter boxed set to 40k and AoS. And actually stay around for people to pick up and play before buying more forge world stuff for their battles.
Stormwall wrote: I guess I can I wait till January and not be at risk of not being able to obtain this set?
Sure, if you believe Natfka.
Hint: Never trust Natfka.
I ordered my copy, and paid $112.50 for it, and the "retailer" had this in their email -
So we plan to get 100 box sets of HHBC next week! sounds great, right? Well, its only relevant to the fact that we already have about half of them requested (and you zealots didn't even know the price yet!) And the plot thickened today when we learned that after Wednesday, there are no more orders for this release of the first wave, and wave 2 is JAN 11th! Thats 70 days to stretch out the zero boxes we might have left after next week! So we are turning to tier 2 warehouses for more stock, and that means that we have to pay more.....
Other things to consider might be "What about the people that are waiting for this email...?" "how about the people that were waiting to make all their holiday purchases on our black Friday sale?" "what about that grandma that waits till December to get lil' Timmy his gift?" Those things and lots more were discussed.
My FLGS was told by their GW rep, when they went to order in the box set, that they should try and get all that they will need because the 2nd print run wont come in until Jan. 11th (they then tried to pitch the big 70 box bundle so he could get all the free stuff and early too). Just piping in what I have heard.
Wonderwolf wrote: So Natfka knows, there’ll be a second printing of the Heresy-game in January, but doesn’t know what will actually be released in January?
And three months ago (after this box was printed), he was still convinced this Heresy game would be Imperial Fists vs. Iron Warriors at Phall?
Yeeeeaaah ... right.
You should do a blog! Show Natfka how it's done!
You could call it "Nails Of Conflict" or something!
That does seem to follow the GW cater to the scalpers... I mean "collector" resellers... method of product distribution. I hope those reading this thread that want one actually get one. You can have my copy as well.
JohnnyHell wrote: They had one job - forecast and plan capacity to maximise impulse and pre-Christmas sales.
One job.
Facepalm.
You understand that forecast is only forecast and therefore practically never accurate?
Besides- they've not even started sales yet!
Industrial forecasts can often be incredibly accurate, and very important, that's why companies spend vast amounts on people and tech that help them get increasingly precise.
Of course, GW never spends money on anything that they can possibly avoid, no matter how beneficial it may be long term, so their forecasts probably consist of looking outside and seeing if the weather rock is wet or not.
Hearing some smaller accounts being told they cannot even order it unless its a big order..... is this going to be GW hitting the lgs discounters and trying to drive people into gw stores?
Of course, GW never spends money on anything that they can possibly avoid, no matter how beneficial it may be long term, so their forecasts probably consist of looking outside and seeing if the weather rock is wet or not....
without realizing that the forklift accidentally moved it under an awning when they were replacing the plinth outside with a Sigmarine topper. People have been waiting for plastic HH for years and there is no reason that this item should be supply constrained for so long.
Azreal13 wrote: Of course, GW never spends money on anything that they can possibly avoid, no matter how beneficial it may be long term, so their forecasts probably consist of looking outside and seeing if the weather rock is wet or not.
Oy! Don't discount the accuracy of weather rocks. My rock has told me some fascinating stuff over the years, like the fact that I would make a lousy meteorologist.
The monopose legs and the lack of undercuts in the knee armour and exhaust vents really hurts the Contemptor, but its still a good starter set. I really want one or two.
Looking at the price of this set, looking in my own empty wallet. Can everyone promise not to buy all of these until next year?
And the Demi-co is about $300 worth of minis for $220. Not bad.
If you pick that up, plus the HH box, you can have a full company for $370. 60 tactical, 5 AM, 5 Dev, 2 captains to choose from, a chaplain and a pair of dreads. Plus some TDA guys. To get the who package you’d want 5 more AMs and 5 more PA guys to bulk out the AM/dev squads, and a command squad. Plus all the transports.
JohnnyHell wrote: They had one job - forecast and plan capacity to maximise impulse and pre-Christmas sales.
One job.
Facepalm.
You understand that forecast is only forecast and therefore practically never accurate?
Besides- they've not even started sales yet!
I've been a buyer with Far East leadtimes most of my career and forecast the last Harry Potter book for 50% of the UK market's sales. Accurately. Yup, I do understand. ;-)
Why on earth would they order a second printing now?
Budget would be my guess. Regardless of how many they think they can sell, they can still only produce as many as they can afford to make.
Or simply production capacity (not necessarily that they can't make more in one go, just that they might not be willing to cut down on other products to make that happen). It could be a similar, but larger scale version of what they did for Smaug last year, one run in time for Christmas and then several subsequent 'reprints' as long as there is demand.
Just checked, Man-Nipple saves - well, theoretically it still doesn't SAVE you anything, cause you are still leaving 90 quid for plastic toys that will only decrease in their value - 22 gbp. So that's pretty nice
Kinda funny that they put out the Demi-company. At $150 you can get 38 Models (30 Tacticals, Dread, 2 Characters, 5 Termies) with lots of options or you can pay $70 more for current mark armor and 4 more models
Hulksmash wrote: Kinda funny that they put out the Demi-company. At $150 you can get 38 Models (30 Tacticals, Dread, 2 Characters, 5 Termies) with lots of options or you can pay $70 more for current mark armor and 4 more models
Any other time and it would be solid. It saves around $50 (25%) and is going regular retail so would be available at another 20% off. That's solid savings. If you're not comparing it to the Horus Heresy boxset and like the older model armor and weapons.
There are some perks to the demi co that come with the markup.
Looks like they are using the multi-pose captain, rather then a mono. He’s dated, but very flexible.
The HH box offers HBs and MLs for big guns. The Dev kit offers up a lot more options, and will make the company box better for getting a viable army out of it.
Assault marines might get a bum rap on the table, but they are a nice kit.
The dreads are probably a wash. I do have a soft spot for the angry washing machine, and the kit does have some options not found on the HH one.
How often do people field 2xLC or tactical terminators? I know I do, but I think I’m the outlier here. So are those 5 guys just going to be shelf warmers? Once you start taking some of the “meh” stuff out of bundles and looking at the cost of things you actually want, what makes a bargain starts to shift.
(this from a 40k POV, not 30k)
Both boxes look to make about a 1k list. I’d put money on the demi co winning the match between the two.
It's pretty much fitting for any 40K Chaos Marine army. If I was looking to create a new Chaos Army, I'd probably pick up one of these just for the kitbash opportunities alone. Of course, this may be colored by the fact that I think the plastic Chaos Marine kits are among the worst in GW's current range though.
It's pretty much fitting for any 40K Chaos Marine army. If I was looking to create a new Chaos Army, I'd probably pick up one of these just for the kitbash opportunities alone. Of course, this may be colored by the fact that I think the plastic Chaos Marine kits are among the worst in GW's current range though.
With Fire Warriors redone, CSM troops are the oldest, IIRC along with Eldar Guardians and Ork Boyz.
It's pretty much fitting for any 40K Chaos Marine army. If I was looking to create a new Chaos Army, I'd probably pick up one of these just for the kitbash opportunities alone. Of course, this may be colored by the fact that I think the plastic Chaos Marine kits are among the worst in GW's current range though.
With Fire Warriors redone, CSM troops are the oldest, IIRC along with Eldar Guardians and Ork Boyz.
Aren't the Necron Warriors and Catachan Guardsmen also really old?
It's pretty much fitting for any 40K Chaos Marine army. If I was looking to create a new Chaos Army, I'd probably pick up one of these just for the kitbash opportunities alone. Of course, this may be colored by the fact that I think the plastic Chaos Marine kits are among the worst in GW's current range though.
With Fire Warriors redone, CSM troops are the oldest, IIRC along with Eldar Guardians and Ork Boyz.
Khorne Berzerkers and Catachans are the oldest, followed by Chaos Marines. But GW hates Chaos so we're unlikely to see new kits anytime soon...
I was told gw has enough stock planned for what they BELIEVE will last until christmas. I'm pretty sure nafka is just takeing that rumour and going. welp must mean they ordered new stock for january.
Also uhh, has anyone else noticed this says CORE game? seemingly implying it is going to get expansions as it's not labelled Boxed set or something in that order?
Hopefully it means expansions. I like to reward GW for good behavior (I just hate stupid decisions they make) and intend to get a box of this, plus expansions. I'll probably paint up like Emperor's Children.
NickOnwezen wrote: I was told gw has enough stock planned for what they BELIEVE will last until christmas. I'm pretty sure nafka is just takeing that rumour and going. welp must mean they ordered new stock for january.
Local store mentioned that they would only be able to order it once before Christmas.
Well my Dark Angels will be going into 30k mode sooner than I thought it seems, all this new box hype is seriously awesome! I managed to lock in at least one box today, just have to work out if I can get another come Saturday.
Thanatos73 wrote: So when do preorders usually go up on GW's website?
Saturday morning (GMT). They used to do it on Friday night, but people would snap up all the stuff before anyone else had a chance and flog it on eBay.
Thanatos73 wrote: So when do preorders usually go up on GW's website?
12:30-1pm Eastern here in the US.
The earliest time you'll see the preorders(so you can see sprue breakdowns, etc) will be around 7pm on Friday night in the US by switching to the New Zealand site.
But dont preorder from a different country/area on the website than your own as they will charge you ridiculous amounts of shipping costs to prohibit that.
Quick question, are the tacticals shoulder pads seperate? I ask because I plan to buy FWRG pads.... Anyone know? Can't determine in pics, but they look like legit kit style where pads are seperate....
Oh bugga, just noticed the contemptor body i split in half although just means sticking it together and then go to town on it with a knife.
Only want to do a charging pose, hope it wont be too hard.
Edit: Actually looking at the legs im not sure how to bend the leg. Im not that good with the old knife. Hope someone does a tutorial on chopping it up.
FLGS who order bunch will have copies this weekend to display. So i would expect that Friday they arrived, and you'll see a ton of pictures and info hit the web.
unmercifulconker wrote: Oh bugga, just noticed the contemptor body i split in half although just means sticking it together and then go to town on it with a knife.
Only want to do a charging pose, hope it wont be too hard.
Edit: Actually looking at the legs im not sure how to bend the leg. Im not that good with the old knife. Hope someone does a tutorial on chopping it up.
insaniak wrote: OOh, and that looks like lightning claws that just glue onto the back of a powerfist...
Going by the earlier sprue pics, there are two Fists, both left handed, so presumably one or both of those will take the seperate claw piece. Which is actually a pretty neat idea if that's the case, as you can get 2 arm poses/designs for 2 different weapons.
Having sperate claws will make my planned conversion of the TDA captain into lighting claw/chainfist easier. Not sure how easy it will be to do a arm swap with that pose, but should be simpler if I have all the powerfists in my bits box to try to find a match.
unmercifulconker wrote: Oh bugga, just noticed the contemptor body i split in half although just means sticking it together and then go to town on it with a knife.
Only want to do a charging pose, hope it wont be too hard.
Edit: Actually looking at the legs im not sure how to bend the leg. Im not that good with the old knife. Hope someone does a tutorial on chopping it up.
Probably will have to add new thigh tops after trimming the knee pad away from the thigh.
It may seem like a small thing, but I'm looking forward to getting my hands on some extra Mk.4 shoulder pads. I goofed up some of my resin ones. The rims are so thin and chip-prone.
gorgon wrote: It may seem like a small thing, but I'm looking forward to getting my hands on some extra Mk.4 shoulder pads. I goofed up some of my resin ones. The rims are so thin and chip-prone.
I'm actually thinking of getting some Mk3 pads and using those instead.
Awesome minis aside, is anyone else curious about the hex game that it comes with?
It has special dice, cards for units and unit damage etc. Could be really really fun on its own.
I'm wondering about the rules as well. It says it's a 48-page book. Space Hulk 3rd ed. RB + Mission Book was 22 + 44 pages or something like that, so the scale is quite similar. Then again, AoS book is 96 pages with "4 pages" of core rules..
So, as often with new GW products, I have no idea what to expect. It could be something cool, or it could be another DreadFleet. However, considering how well everything SM sells, I'd be surprised if they didn't back this one up with more products. I guess the logic might be to sell people a new 'Vintage Marines' game, so people have a reason to start another SM army or two.
gorgon wrote: It may seem like a small thing, but I'm looking forward to getting my hands on some extra Mk.4 shoulder pads. I goofed up some of my resin ones. The rims are so thin and chip-prone.
I'm actually thinking of getting some Mk3 pads and using those instead.
I am doing a full swap to MkIII, they just look more badass to me. So Ill have plenty of spare MkIV.
I grabbed my White Dwarf today and eagerly flipped through it. Some interesting thoughts, in no particular order:
- OMG the retro missile launcher in plastic (shades of RTB01!) is hawt. Going to be the first time I'm excited to put a missile launcher on a space marine in like, 20 years.
- The Tigrus pattern bolters look awesome.
- Captain Aethon (the terminator captain) and Kurtha Sedd (the chaplain) are incredible!! Looks like the chaplain can be easily modified to other purposes.
- I think the contemptor is the weakest model of the box. Not that it's an awful model or anything; it's just not as exciting as all the other stuff.
- The guys who painted the models did some really sweet freehand for the Word Bearers. They make the armor look like it has recessed details that have been highlighted, but it's just paint. Really well done.
- There are Mk4 helms that look really sweet from the side. It's a little different design than the usual: normally, Mk4 helms look like longish snouts. These have a rounded cut-out, where the respirator cable feeds too, and it' just looks awesome.
- Those lightning claws. WIN.
- The cataphracti are cool, but I'm not really blown away. Not like the captain, and I think regular forge world Cataphrati look better. But maybe it's the paint job: the models are quite unadorned (how can this be??), and they didn't do a lot to fancy them up. The *back* of the Cataphracti, I really like.
- There is a grenade harness for the terminators that looks really cool, and their power armors are baller.
- Those double-sided gaming tiles look really awesome. I want more. This sounds so stupid, but I may end up buying more boxes of HH just to get more tiles :X
I think I'll still buy 2 at launch and "go from there"; but we'll see.
Other stuff in the White Dwarf: Next week's free painting guide is exactly the same as the last free painting poster, I think, except with an extra row for the new Liberator/Retributor gold. The new box sets (demi company, maniple, etc.) look like great deals. The Forge World Graviton Singularity Canon for the Cerastus knight... holy wowzers, that looks great. The Artapos lascutter looks solid too.
Awesome minis aside, is anyone else curious about the hex game that it comes with?
It has special dice, cards for units and unit damage etc. Could be really really fun on its own.
I'm wondering about the rules as well. It says it's a 48-page book. Space Hulk 3rd ed. RB + Mission Book was 22 + 44 pages or something like that, so the scale is quite similar. Then again, AoS book is 96 pages with "4 pages" of core rules..
So, as often with new GW products, I have no idea what to expect. It could be something cool, or it could be another DreadFleet. However, considering how well everything SM sells, I'd be surprised if they didn't back this one up with more products. I guess the logic might be to sell people a new 'Vintage Marines' game, so people have a reason to start another SM army or two.
I wonder if the fluff section of the book will include the current line-art style color scheme examples, or if they'll use the fantastic pictures already available via FW.
Talys wrote: Next week's free painting guide is exactly the same as the last free painting poster, I think, except with an extra row for the new Liberator/Retributor gold.
There are a few missing items, as noted in this THREAD.
I was a bit shocked to find out a day ago that so far I am the only customer of my FLGS to have asked to have a box reserved. I am sure they will sell more closer to release but this news did surprise me.
There is a very serious core of gamers there (tournament winning) that I would have figured would all want a box.
SickSix wrote: I was a bit shocked to find out a day ago that so far I am the only customer of my FLGS to have asked to have a box reserved. I am sure they will sell more closer to release but this news did surprise me.
There is a very serious core of gamers there (tournament winning) that I would have figured would all want a box.
My FLGS is getting out of GW product nearly altogether, but they'll order stuff on request. I got a call today that their GW rep guaranteed that I'd get the four boxes I asked them to get me, plus the couple they want for the store to put on the shelves.
It's a nice use of the 20% off I have due me for their loyalty program, too. I nearly get the fourth box for free.
Talys wrote: Next week's free painting guide is exactly the same as the last free painting poster, I think, except with an extra row for the new Liberator/Retributor gold.
There are a few missing items, as noted in this THREAD.
Thanks for pointing that out, Ghaz! I guess I better buy some more Dark Reaper. I think I have 4-5 extra pots of it, but I go through a lot -- it's one of my favorite colors for terrain. Thunderhawk Blue, too, but I use a lot less, as it's usually a drybrush layer for me. I think I'll miss Tyrant Skull, but there's other similar drybrush paints and they last forever, and Ungor Flesh, but there are similar skintones, and those pots last forever, too.
SickSix wrote: I was a bit shocked to find out a day ago that so far I am the only customer of my FLGS to have asked to have a box reserved. I am sure they will sell more closer to release but this news did surprise me.
There is a very serious core of gamers there (tournament winning) that I would have figured would all want a box.
Does the boxed set give them a WYSIWIG in game advantage? If the answer is no then tourney winning serious gamers are no more likely to buy it than anyone else and are probably less likley. HH armies ironically are generally less powergamey and abusable with "only" rites of war instead of free special rules with every detachment, "only" one LOW slot generally instead of taking as many as you want, and a reasonable ally matrix instead of take whatever you want for minmaxing powergaming fluff be damned. The folks I feel that would be most likely to buy this would be veteran gamers who have always wanted a HH style army modelled up as well as fans of the book series. As always there may be some overlap but being a mainly hardcore tourny gamer IMO makes you overall less likely to pick it up compared with the mainly "fluff" gamer.
So are those colors posted in the rumor in the other thread actually off the new chart? I only have the photos in the other thread to work off of and I can only confirm that I don't see Lamenter's Yellow and its got a few less bundles than the current chart.
I really do wish I wasn't so burnt out on Space Marines over the years (and years). If it wasn't for the fact that I've painted 5, maybe six different sets of Marines, I would love to start something adventurous like World Eaters as their Heresy heraldry is not something usually seen on the table.
Man, I wish we had a decent FLGS up here, you never get anywhere near as good a discount from the online retailers in the UK on these big boxes, especially after shipping.
Took the money reserved for this and bought discounted Shield of Baal box, I think I have sth like 120+ various genestealers atm and numerous broodlords. Happy.
Yodhrin wrote: Man, I wish we had a decent FLGS up here, you never get anywhere near as good a discount from the online retailers in the UK on these big boxes, especially after shipping.
Where are you? I'd have thought any of the mail order places would be able to get it to you for at least 10% off. Unless your on Shetland.
Ghaz wrote: So are those colors posted in the rumor in the other thread actually off the new chart? I only have the photos in the other thread to work off of and I can only confirm that I don't see Lamenter's Yellow and its got a few less bundles than the current chart.
I did not see Dark Reaper/Thunderhawk Blue, the only colors I checked for. It is quite tiny, though you can sort of make out the print, but I'll look more closely in the am, comparing it with the old chart and let you know.
Really, they just need one texture (basing) product, since anyone going to the trouble of using one will paint it anyhow.
SickSix wrote: I was a bit shocked to find out a day ago that so far I am the only customer of my FLGS to have asked to have a box reserved. I am sure they will sell more closer to release but this news did surprise me.
There is a very serious core of gamers there (tournament winning) that I would have figured would all want a box.
Does the boxed set give them a WYSIWIG in game advantage? If the answer is no then tourney winning serious gamers are no more likely to buy it than anyone else and are probably less likley. HH armies ironically are generally less powergamey and abusable with "only" rites of war instead of free special rules with every detachment, "only" one LOW slot generally instead of taking as many as you want, and a reasonable ally matrix instead of take whatever you want for minmaxing powergaming fluff be damned. The folks I feel that would be most likely to buy this would be veteran gamers who have always wanted a HH style army modelled up as well as fans of the book series. As always there may be some overlap but being a mainly hardcore tourny gamer IMO makes you overall less likely to pick it up compared with the mainly "fluff" gamer.
Great points. And to my knowledge they only paint armies because they have to for ATC or whichever big tournament they go to. I think I am the only serious painter/collector / hobbyist that frequents that store. I haven't played a game in over a year lol.
Ghaz wrote: So are those colors posted in the rumor in the other thread actually off the new chart? I only have the photos in the other thread to work off of and I can only confirm that I don't see Lamenter's Yellow and its got a few less bundles than the current chart.
I did not see Dark Reaper/Thunderhawk Blue, the only colors I checked for. It is quite tiny, though you can sort of make out the print, but I'll look more closely in the am, comparing it with the old chart and let you know.
Really, they just need one texture (basing) product, since anyone going to the trouble of using one will paint it anyhow.
Thanks. You can post the reply in the other thread to keep this one on topic if you don't mind. Its the Flesh Paint Bundle and the Daemonettes Paint Bundle along with the aforementioned Blue Black Bundle that were in the original rumor.
It will sure be interesting to see how well this box sell.
The forum reactions has ben very positive from the start, but I have a feeling
it wont really attract that many new players (that is, from 40k to 30k) unless GW itself support the
range with proper rules or start selling the Imperial armour books in store.
Perhaps most entusiasts are few but loudly articulated on the forums.
Well for me I'm going to buy the box but wait until the dark angels rules come out to get fully invested. See what the elites and HQ's are going to be and what not. Plus I hope they get a flavored Contemptor.
Fayric wrote: It will sure be interesting to see how well this box sell.
The forum reactions has ben very positive from the start, but I have a feeling
it wont really attract that many new players (that is, from 40k to 30k) unless GW itself support the
range with proper rules or start selling the Imperial armour books in store.
Perhaps most entusiasts are few but loudly articulated on the forums.
Lets look at this another way:
- The Mk IV armour and Cataphractii twp of the most popular sets that FW makes.
- FW is over capacity, that why they are falling behind.
- GW wouldn't make a mold for injected molded plastic unless the sales volume was high enough to justify the expense.
- The plastic sprues have the parts of 9 different resin kits:
+ Legion Mk IV Armour
+ Tigerus Bolters
+ Tigerus Bolt Pistols & Pouches
+ Space Marine Special Weapons Pack
+ Legion Mk IV Command Upgrade Set
+ Legion Mk IV Power Weapon Set
+ Cataphractii Bodies
+ Cataphractii power fist set
+ Cataphractii special weapons.
Given this; I think this was done to ease the strain on FW's production line, not to introduce new customers.
What frankr said, plus: look at the latest Ultramarine releases (Praetorian & Invictarii) - they're conversion kits for Mk IV. Might we see these bundled with with plastic leg/arm sprues? (not sure about backpacks, but it's a thought...)
Given this; I think this was done to ease the strain on FW's production line, not to introduce new customers.
-frank
There's nothing about those two that makes them mutually exclusive and equally important. FW straining with production (and losing sales when things go OOP temporarily) AND getting old and new customers into the tabletop game that they don't profess to focus on anymore (lol, GAMES workshop) could easily be hitting two birds with one stone.
Fayric wrote: It will sure be interesting to see how well this box sell.
The forum reactions has ben very positive from the start, but I have a feeling
it wont really attract that many new players (that is, from 40k to 30k) unless GW itself support the
range with proper rules or start selling the Imperial armour books in store.
Perhaps most entusiasts are few but loudly articulated on the forums.
Lets look at this another way:
- The Mk IV armour and Cataphractii twp of the most popular sets that FW makes.
- FW is over capacity, that why they are falling behind.
- GW wouldn't make a mold for injected molded plastic unless the sales volume was high enough to justify the expense.
- The plastic sprues have the parts of 9 different resin kits:
+ Legion Mk IV Armour
+ Tigerus Bolters
+ Tigerus Bolt Pistols & Pouches
+ Space Marine Special Weapons Pack
+ Legion Mk IV Command Upgrade Set
+ Legion Mk IV Power Weapon Set
+ Cataphractii Bodies
+ Cataphractii power fist set
+ Cataphractii special weapons.
Given this; I think this was done to ease the strain on FW's production line, not to introduce new customers.
-frank
Artificier Armor Centurion, Cataphractii Terminator Praetor £33.00 For the set of two
Mk IV Maximus Marine Squad (x10) £48 plus £24 for the bolters
Mk IV Maximus Marine Squad (x10) £48 plus £24 for the bolters
Mk IV Maximus Marine Squad (x10) £48 plus £24 for the bolters
Cataphractii Terminator Squad (x5) £35 ea plus £17 for the weapons
Contemptor Dreadnought £33 ea (minus arms), plus £9.5 an arm x4
Coming out to a grand total of:
£372 = $568.00!!!
That's another way to look at this!
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mikhaila wrote: I just recieved two full copies of the game plus giant banners and little oddbits to give away. Opening it in 30 seconds....
Given this; I think this was done to ease the strain on FW's production line, not to introduce new customers.
-frank
Artificier Armor Centurion, Cataphractii Terminator Praetor £33.00 For the set of two
Mk IV Maximus Marine Squad (x10) £48 plus £24 for the bolters
Mk IV Maximus Marine Squad (x10) £48 plus £24 for the bolters
Mk IV Maximus Marine Squad (x10) £48 plus £24 for the bolters
Cataphractii Terminator Squad (x5) £35 ea plus £17 for the weapons
Contemptor Dreadnought £33 ea (minus arms), plus £9.5 an arm x4
Coming out to a grand total of:
£372 = $568.00!!!
That's another way to look at this!
Except that MSRP isn't what matters this, gross margin is what matters; and we have no idea what that is for any of this.
That said resin casting is extremely manual intensive, especially when compared with the machines used for plastic models which can probably press more plastic sprues in a day than FW can cast the resin equivalent for in a month.
Does anyone have some good pics of the marines in pa? Im not a big fan of mkIV. I prefer mkIII. What I've seen of the power armored guys isnt very impressive. It looks like a poorer quality than a regular Tac squad but better than AoBR.
Red Marine wrote: Does anyone have some good pics of the marines in pa? Im not a big fan of mkIV. I prefer mkIII. What I've seen of the power armored guys isnt very impressive. It looks like a poorer quality than a regular Tac squad but better than AoBR.
Given this; I think this was done to ease the strain on FW's production line, not to introduce new customers.
-frank
Artificier Armor Centurion, Cataphractii Terminator Praetor £33.00 For the set of two
Mk IV Maximus Marine Squad (x10) £48 plus £24 for the bolters
Mk IV Maximus Marine Squad (x10) £48 plus £24 for the bolters
Mk IV Maximus Marine Squad (x10) £48 plus £24 for the bolters
Cataphractii Terminator Squad (x5) £35 ea plus £17 for the weapons
Contemptor Dreadnought £33 ea (minus arms), plus £9.5 an arm x4
Coming out to a grand total of:
£372 = $568.00!!!
That's another way to look at this!
Except that MSRP isn't what matters this, gross margin is what matters; and we have no idea what that is for any of this.
That said resin casting is extremely manual intensive, especially when compared with the machines used for plastic models which can probably press more plastic sprues in a day than FW can cast the resin equivalent for in a month.
All I know & care about is that I am saving $440.50 (in FW equiv models) & getting a 1k 30k starter army for a total of $127.50!
Except that MSRP isn't what matters this, gross margin is what matters; and we have no idea what that is for any of this.
That said resin casting is extremely manual intensive, especially when compared with the machines used for plastic models which can probably press more plastic sprues in a day than FW can cast the resin equivalent for in a month.
From my perspective as a player and hobbyist, first of all, plastic is an infinitely easier medium to deal with, because 30 copies of the same part will be identical to each other and artifact free. On the other hand, 30 copies of a resin model is 30 different pieces of resin, each with little pits and bits that have to be meticulously filed down, filled, and sanded. It can take twice as long for me to prep a FW model ad it does to *finish* a GW plastic. Mind you, I'm anal aboutnot, and my paintbrush won't hit the model unless the model is perfect. That can mean removing every stud to polish a surface to smoothness, and then putting new studs on, for example.
So personally, I have no desire to build and model 60 x 28mm non character infantry, because that can be 200 hours of prep. No thanks. On a character or really special vehicle? Sure thing. But on grunts, for me it'd just be a grind.
Looking at it from the outside in, margins are less important than gross profits and any long term benefits, such as more HH players. I can say for sure that if there were more HH plastics, our group would be more likely to play it, despite higher prices. On the other hand, GW would be robbing from Paul to pay Peter: They'd just be shifting sales, not making more sales, and frankly, there's a lot less overall to model in the 30k universe than 40k. Anyways, I think the cost of manufacture and distribution relative to the selling price is miniscule (the gross margin) for either.
Overall, I'm very happy with the move to plastic of tactical and cataphracti, as these are generally models I'd eat up in plastic but stay away from in resin (again, because of the sheer numbers). I also really love the 2 heroes.
Thanks for the reply, but i saw those already. Blurry & poorly lit. I was hoping for something a little better. Im on the fence about buying some boxes. I really like the HH books but the models in the box, especially the ones in power armor look rather meh.
mikhaila wrote:
I just recieved two full copies of the game plus giant banners and little oddbits to give away. Opening it in 30 seconds....
YOU TEASE! Share!
Ha, sorry, didn't mean to be cruel. Just confirming that some stores do have them incoming. We had to commit to a serious amount of boxes to get the demo copies. We aren't suppose to show them off until Saturday. So if you come by the shop don't peak.
But i can't post picturees, GW would have me on a rack in about 5 minutes
Red Marine wrote: Thanks for the reply, but i saw those already. Blurry & poorly lit. I was hoping for something a little better. Im on the fence about buying some boxes. I really like the HH books but the models in the box, especially the ones in power armor look rather meh.
I hear ya.... I have been searching all over the net for newer pics too... I need to figure out some things for the conversions I have planned.
ultimentra wrote: Everyone around me is freaking out about this release and I'm just sitting here waiting for MKIII armor. Iron Hands for life.
You know they had MkIV too right?
Well yeah but MkIII is just sooo much more fitting to their aesthetic Eventually going to pick up their dudes with the boarding shields, the Gorgon Terminators, and their command squad from FW. All of the PA in those is MkIII, gotta look uniform man haha.
It's the smell of a retailer, with his picture next to his posts, and his storename in his bio, who is well known by GW US for 25 years. GW sent me the copies ahead of time because i agreed to order 70 copies. I agreed not to do things like post pictures, or utube, or anything similar until the "Go Loud" date. Breaking that rules probably would cost me something, like getting advanced copies ever again. If i were going to break a rule i woudn't do it with my name and picture attatched
I'll take a good look at the game tomorrow, was swamped today at the shop. I'll say that the amount of sprues was impressive. There was enough in there to fill the box by almost 4 layers. We'll be cleaning and assembling our demo copies tomorrow and trying to see what all is on the sprues, and how they fit together. And try to play a game.
In some ways, it's a strange game. No board gamer would want to put together all of these models to play. Too many parts, they want one piece. Seems like they really committed to making HH plastics, and sort of wrapped a game around them. These sprues are first and foremost for using in 30k/40k. They aren't snap fit or easy put together models for a boardgame.
Looks very solid, from the point of view of someone wanting to work on their 30k models.
In some ways, it's a strange game. No board gamer would want to put together all of these models to play. Too many parts, they want one piece. Seems like they really committed to making HH plastics, and sort of wrapped a game around them. These sprues are first and foremost for using in 30k/40k. They aren't snap fit or easy put together models for a boardgame.
Looks very solid, from the point of view of someone wanting to work on their 30k models.
I figured it was a way to force folks jumping into the HH model pool instead of just dipping their toes into it. The value compared with buying just two squads of FW resin marines is there and it makes the minimum buyin $150 US retail instead of $50 for a squad or somesuch. I considered the Assassin boardgame the same thing; folks might just one the celuxus or vindicaire but they were forced (for a few months) to get all of them (plus some chaos guys) at a much higher price instead if they wanted any new assassin figs. Either way, folks finally get their plastic HH minis and I fully expect them to sell well given the value despite the bundling.
not clear whether the announcement is just the HH boardgame or whether FW is doing something of their own (eg add ons, info on what happens to their HH range etc)
ah ok, thanks! I have finally been going through the FW site these last few days and I really wish the box was MKIII. Four just looks bland comparatively. Plus the DA bits look III. Do you guys think the III's will come out in a box from GW, so a pack of 10 won't be $80?
From what I've read elsewhere, it's more challenging to produce the earlier marks in plastic thanks to the overlapping plates and such. It was easier to produce Mk.4 in plastic to a quality level reasonably close to the FW version.
I think GW did Mk IV instead of Mk3 because of the setting - Betrayal at Calth gives them a fairly self-contained sector to set the board game in, with two known forces. Ultramarines have kind of always been the "iconic" space marine, and I think Word Bearers are very much the "iconic bad guy" of the Heresy(and the red armor is a great contrast to Ultramarines blue).
Agreed, MK 2 is meh. OK, I can agree that 4 would be easier from a printing standpoint. Whenever DA comes out in force with FW my wallet is going to take a nasty hit.
Tagony wrote: ah ok, thanks! I have finally been going through the FW site these last few days and I really wish the box was MKIII. Four just looks bland comparatively. Plus the DA bits look III. Do you guys think the III's will come out in a box from GW, so a pack of 10 won't be $80?
The DA parts are MkII.
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timetowaste85 wrote: Which mark had the really dorky horsetail plumes? They look good on Knights. Not on space Knights.
None of them have plumes built in so it could be any of them.
