RedFox wrote: Love the chaplain sculpt but there is no way i use him as a word bearer...gotta look more chaosy or have a hint of chaos in there...he would make a better ultramarine character actually
I prefer the "just turned" look to Traitor Marines. Veteran warriors in archaic armor wielding ancient weapons is what I like to picture CSM as in 40k, rather than the "covered in spikes and mutations" look.
I just find them more menacing when the corruption is more subtly conveyed.
I agree 100% that's why i said a hint of chaos...but i still think even with slight conversions he would look out of place with my gal vorbak
whalemusic360 wrote: Replace his head with something from a chaos kit, you'd be able to get a slightly chaos look pretty easy.
Come to think of it, given that most of the MK4 that was issued prior to and at the beginning of the HH went to Horus' allies, you'd think you'd see more MK4 in chaos armies, even if in a corrupted form.
Formosa wrote: Well... I've been told unequivocally that this is a limited run, hoping it's not true.
A few people that had all posted all the info on this before we even have pictures have said it won't be limited and will be replacing the hobbit. I'm hoping that's true.
whalemusic360 wrote: Replace his head with something from a chaos kit, you'd be able to get a slightly chaos look pretty easy.
Come to think of it, given that most of the MK4 that was issued prior to and at the beginning of the HH went to Horus' allies, you'd think you'd see more MK4 in chaos armies, even if in a corrupted form.
True but legions like the death guard and the iron warriors prefered the bulkier and sturdier mkii and mkiii armours
When i think of chaos legion and mkiv i think of the SoH, EC, word bearers and alpha legions
whalemusic360 wrote: Replace his head with something from a chaos kit, you'd be able to get a slightly chaos look pretty easy.
Come to think of it, given that most of the MK4 that was issued prior to and at the beginning of the HH went to Horus' allies, you'd think you'd see more MK4 in chaos armies, even if in a corrupted form.
True but legions like the death guard and the iron warriors prefered the bulkier and sturdier mkii and mkiii armours
When i think of chaos legion and mkiv i think of the SoH, EC, word bearers and alpha legions
A valid point. Still, I'd think they'd toss a helmet or two on a few of the chaos sprues. Heck, those Mk 2 and MK 3 helmets and armor ought to be relatively common with CSM who are "Veterans of the Long War", but there really isn't a lot of MK 2 or 3 in the various chaos kits, either.
Jehan-reznor wrote: I will make them all of my chapter! maybe only coloring the bases different to use in the game
Hello Kitty Heresy???
i'll do Kerokerokeroppi
Paypal is primed and ready for pre-order...
let's do this thing!!!
cheers
jah
Alas Hello Kitty space marines are truly Chaos (although don't tell them that)
I have 3 other space marine chapters, Siddhartha's Sons, Doom Bringers and Doom Bringers.
whalemusic360 wrote: Replace his head with something from a chaos kit, you'd be able to get a slightly chaos look pretty easy.
Come to think of it, given that most of the MK4 that was issued prior to and at the beginning of the HH went to Horus' allies, you'd think you'd see more MK4 in chaos armies, even if in a corrupted form.
True but legions like the death guard and the iron warriors prefered the bulkier and sturdier mkii and mkiii armours
When i think of chaos legion and mkiv i think of the SoH, EC, word bearers and alpha legions
A valid point. Still, I'd think they'd toss a helmet or two on a few of the chaos sprues. Heck, those Mk 2 and MK 3 helmets and armor ought to be relatively common with CSM who are "Veterans of the Long War", but there really isn't a lot of MK 2 or 3 in the various chaos kits, either.
Now a days, GW sees chaos marines as more Renegades than former legionaries so I don't think its likely, but I woldnt say never. Back in 2nd edition there was concept art for a number of chaos marines that showed their armor to be a blend of different MK's and from what I can gather it was visually to represent the inconsistent "resupply" available to chaos marines. Fictionally Mk4 was phased out because of how relatively difficult is was to maintain without a steady stream of fresh replacement components which became scarcer as the war dragged on. I vaguely remember something along the lines that one reason Raven Guard ended up with production Mk6 was that Alpha Legion stole their resupply of Mk4 it was the next best thing the Forge World could provide in quantity... though Mk6 was already in wide experimental use by the Raven Guard as well.
There are a number of brief instances where the fluff mentions different legions pushing for different Mk's of armor, the pendulum of mobile survivability vs armored survivability.
The set of four classic Jes Goodwin chaos Marines sold as "Traitors of Chaos" were described in the concept art as being four specific armour marks;
The Nurgle Marine in mark 3, the Thousand Son in mark 4, the Khorne berserker in mark 5 and the Slaaneshi Marine in mark 6.
Well, I will not play the board game. Prefer HH and WMH.
Not sure if the box set is the right for me. I already have 10 Cataphractii Termies and one Comtemptor doesn't make a summer. I better buy some keress cannons for my existing Dreads.
Considering these are mostly multi-part models as opposed to snap fit, it ain't bad. Maybe not as good as Stormclaw and the like, but still not bad.
Also, anyone else notice how the Chaplain has a plasma pistol in his left hand, and that the tactical kit has a right-handed one? Anyone thinking what I'm thinking?
Also, anyone else notice how the Chaplain has a plasma pistol in his left hand, and that the tactical kit has a right-handed one? Anyone thinking what I'm thinking?
Nice idea. Moritat away! Just make sure you get a unit of Destroyers that he can lead...
The recent Raven Guard (12 miniatures) and Tau (19) miniatures boxes cost some £150. The Calth set is a whole game as well so if it does come in at £95 or less it seems like a lot better deal, YMMV though.
I hope to hear some details of how the game plays soon.
That's quite a lot for a 40k army supplement, but in terms of the board game, I don't know.
Also the current equivalent from marines would cost you £167.50 to get heresy equivalents for £95 is amazing!
Is it? Seems expensive to me. Maybe its because I don't quite get the "but HERESY" fuss?
Same here. It's the usual Dakka dichotomy at work. We get heaps of people complaining that GW release nothing but Marines and how boring that is but suddenly they release a slightly different sort of Marine, like Malibu Stacy's hat, and all of a sudden people are falling over themselves to pay for an overpriced box set, all the time justifying it by comparing the price to the hugely inflated FW prices and convincing themselves it is some sort of bargain.
I have to confess, I just don't understand it but each to his/her own I guess.
That's quite a lot for a 40k army supplement, but in terms of the board game, I don't know.
Also the current equivalent from marines would cost you £167.50 to get heresy equivalents for £95 is amazing!
Is it? Seems expensive to me. Maybe its because I don't quite get the "but HERESY" fuss?
Even without "but HERESY", comparing what's in the HH box with individually bought equivalents comes up with a pretty sizeable savings vs. regular GW prices.
I compared to 3x tactical marine squads, 1 of terminators, 1 dread, and two plastic monopose characters and came up with around $274 to buy the 40k equivalent of what comes in the HH box, versus the $150 cost of the HH box itself. So, by those equivalencies, the HH box is around 55% of what I'd expect to pay separately.
So, compared to regular GW prices, yeah, it's a VERY good deal.
That's quite a lot for a 40k army supplement, but in terms of the board game, I don't know.
Also the current equivalent from marines would cost you £167.50 to get heresy equivalents for £95 is amazing!
Is it? Seems expensive to me. Maybe its because I don't quite get the "but HERESY" fuss?
30K is a fun game with great models. This box set has significantly cheapened basic infantry for it. If you don't like 30k yeah all this excitement is kind of weird. But for people who do it's a really good deal.
Tagony wrote: What are some basic rule differences between 40k and 30k?
It uses the same basic rules but the books are much more balanced. But there are differences. 30k has a 25% allowance of your points for LoW rather than 40k's "Take what you want". Allies are much more restricted, formations/detatchments aren't really a thing and psychic powers aren't as prominent. They are there and some armies (Like Word Bearers) make a lot of use of them but you won't get stuff like Invisistar in 30k.
That's quite a lot for a 40k army supplement, but in terms of the board game, I don't know.
Also the current equivalent from marines would cost you £167.50 to get heresy equivalents for £95 is amazing!
Is it? Seems expensive to me. Maybe its because I don't quite get the "but HERESY" fuss?
Same here. It's the usual Dakka dichotomy at work. We get heaps of people complaining that GW release nothing but Marines and how boring that is but suddenly they release a slightly different sort of Marine, like Malibu Stacy's hat, and all of a sudden people are falling over themselves to pay for an overpriced box set, all the time justifying it by comparing the price to the hugely inflated FW prices and convincing themselves it is some sort of bargain.
I have to confess, I just don't understand it but each to his/her own I guess.
I admitted the Malibu Stacy hat thing to myself a long time ago. Once you come to terms with getting excited over having a new pattern of boltgun or helmet, you're much happier with 40k. I like that it's a universe rich enough to sustain different brands of equipment.
filbert wrote: We get heaps of people complaining that GW release nothing but Marines and how boring that is but suddenly they release a slightly different sort of Marine, like Malibu Stacy's hat, and all of a sudden people are falling over themselves to pay for an overpriced box set, all the time justifying it by comparing the price to the hugely inflated FW prices and convincing themselves it is some sort of bargain.
You do know that opinion in this thread has been very split, and that a number of people have voiced the 'ughh more marines!' sentiment? The people excited by this are not the same people complaining about marine over-saturation. Different people have different opinions. We ain't a hive mind.
And, as said, this IS a better deal than the buying the 40K equivalents individually .
That's quite a lot for a 40k army supplement, but in terms of the board game, I don't know.
Also the current equivalent from marines would cost you £167.50 to get heresy equivalents for £95 is amazing!
Is it? Seems expensive to me. Maybe its because I don't quite get the "but HERESY" fuss?
Even without "but HERESY", comparing what's in the HH box with individually bought equivalents comes up with a pretty sizeable savings vs. regular GW prices.
I compared to 3x tactical marine squads, 1 of terminators, 1 dread, and two plastic monopose characters and came up with around $274 to buy the 40k equivalent of what comes in the HH box, versus the $150 cost of the HH box itself. So, by those equivalencies, the HH box is around 55% of what I'd expect to pay separately.
So, compared to regular GW prices, yeah, it's a VERY good deal.
While I agree that it looks like a good deal overall (that I incidentally have no interest in), you need to compare apples to apples and not monopose plastics versus fully customizable plastics or even worse versus boutique customizable resin sets. The best comparison would be with the current 40k starter set to see what if any the HH "tax" is for monopose marines and dreads.
I'm only considering it since I play CSM and can either convert them to be more Chaos-y or run them as pre-heresy type dudes. 30k doesn't have much interest for me since I main Necrons and they don't exist, and there's no real scene for it in this area.
That's quite a lot for a 40k army supplement, but in terms of the board game, I don't know.
Also the current equivalent from marines would cost you £167.50 to get heresy equivalents for £95 is amazing!
Is it? Seems expensive to me. Maybe its because I don't quite get the "but HERESY" fuss?
Even without "but HERESY", comparing what's in the HH box with individually bought equivalents comes up with a pretty sizeable savings vs. regular GW prices.
I compared to 3x tactical marine squads, 1 of terminators, 1 dread, and two plastic monopose characters and came up with around $274 to buy the 40k equivalent of what comes in the HH box, versus the $150 cost of the HH box itself. So, by those equivalencies, the HH box is around 55% of what I'd expect to pay separately.
So, compared to regular GW prices, yeah, it's a VERY good deal.
While I agree that it looks like a good deal overall (that I incidentally have no interest in), you need to compare apples to apples and not monopose plastics versus fully customizable plastics or even worse versus boutique customizable resin sets. The best comparison would be with the current 40k starter set to see what if any the HH "tax" is for monopose marines and dreads.
Only the Dread (and the two characters) are monopose, everything else is fully posable.
That's quite a lot for a 40k army supplement, but in terms of the board game, I don't know.
Also the current equivalent from marines would cost you £167.50 to get heresy equivalents for £95 is amazing!
Is it? Seems expensive to me. Maybe its because I don't quite get the "but HERESY" fuss?
Even without "but HERESY", comparing what's in the HH box with individually bought equivalents comes up with a pretty sizeable savings vs. regular GW prices.
I compared to 3x tactical marine squads, 1 of terminators, 1 dread, and two plastic monopose characters and came up with around $274 to buy the 40k equivalent of what comes in the HH box, versus the $150 cost of the HH box itself. So, by those equivalencies, the HH box is around 55% of what I'd expect to pay separately.
So, compared to regular GW prices, yeah, it's a VERY good deal.
While I agree that it looks like a good deal overall (that I incidentally have no interest in), you need to compare apples to apples and not monopose plastics versus fully customizable plastics or even worse versus boutique customizable resin sets. The best comparison would be with the current 40k starter set to see what if any the HH "tax" is for monopose marines and dreads.
Only the 2 characters and the dreadnought are mono-pose. The terminators and the tactical marines are all multi-part models, not mono-pose.
Anyone have an idea what a good patern of bolter to go with this would be? I want to switch a few out for variety. I'm thinking umbra ferrox. But I hate that scope
jimkurtjimmy wrote: Anyone have an idea what a good patern of bolter to go with this would be? I want to switch a few out for variety. I'm thinking umbra ferrox. But I hate that scope
Umbra, Phobos and Godwyn would be a nice mix. I would imagine the Legions would've still had quite a few Umbra pattern bolters still left in service even after they got the new armor marks/Tigrus bolters. I believe Godwyn pattern bolters were around during the HH but I'm not entirely sure. Phobos pattern bolters were still around well into the heresy.
That's quite a lot for a 40k army supplement, but in terms of the board game, I don't know.
Also the current equivalent from marines would cost you £167.50 to get heresy equivalents for £95 is amazing!
Is it? Seems expensive to me. Maybe its because I don't quite get the "but HERESY" fuss?
Same here. It's the usual Dakka dichotomy at work. We get heaps of people complaining that GW release nothing but Marines and how boring that is but suddenly they release a slightly different sort of Marine, like Malibu Stacy's hat, and all of a sudden people are falling over themselves to pay for an overpriced box set, all the time justifying it by comparing the price to the hugely inflated FW prices and convincing themselves it is some sort of bargain.
I have to confess, I just don't understand it but each to his/her own I guess.
It's not hard to understand: for a lot of people, Heresy-era in general/Heresy Marines in particular are the only thing GW still produce that's worth anything to them.
Specialist Games are gone, real Fantasy is gone, AoS is a trainwreck, 40K becomes more bloated every year and has adopted a style of army construction and general approach to balancing(ie, none) that some people really dislike.
That doesn't mean they don't still like GW's IPs, so when presented with a game that lets them explore a famous historical period of one of those IPs, with rules and background written very much in the style & tradition of "old GW", and now with a way of building armies for that system (comparatively)cheaply and in plastic, they're excited. None of that is inconsistent with holding the view that GW's focus on endless variations of SM in 40K was a problem for that game system(and to be fair to GW...*urk*, 'scuse me, just boaked a little...to be fair to GW that's been less of an issue recently).
jimkurtjimmy wrote: Anyone have an idea what a good patern of bolter to go with this would be? I want to switch a few out for variety. I'm thinking umbra ferrox. But I hate that scope
Umbra, Phobos and Godwyn would be a nice mix. I would imagine the Legions would've still had quite a few Umbra pattern bolters still left in service even after they got the new armor marks/Tigrus bolters. I believe Godwyn pattern bolters were around during the HH but I'm not entirely sure. Phobos pattern bolters were still around well into the heresy.
Their hand is moulded onto the gun so Phobos will be a pain in the bum to do, but Godwyn (from normal marines) should work (and there's marines with Godwyn bolters in the FWHH books).
It's not hard to understand: for a lot of people, Heresy-era in general/Heresy Marines in particular are the only thing GW still produce that's worth anything to them.
True. HH is very playable. Use the missions in the HH books. Very smooth and balanced games. Fun to use the Primarchs.
Ah forgot about the hand on the gun part. I will probably just stick with the bolters it comes with then and save that pain for just the special weapons. What about legion shoulder pads from forgeworld? Will those be compatible? Or is the size slightly different
jimkurtjimmy wrote: Ah forgot about the hand on the gun part. I will probably just stick with the bolters it comes with then and save that pain for just the special weapons. What about legion shoulder pads from forgeworld? Will those be compatible? Or is the size slightly different
They are the same scale as GW marines so they will be compatible will 40k marine stuff. (I managed to get my hands on a single marine out of the box). I just don't own any forgeworld to compare it to.
Those either contain 1 of each heavy weapon (and only has 4), or only two heavy weapon arms, neither of which is that much use in 30k outside of veteran squads. Paying £12 on top of £13 for the specific weapons when I want just for 5 heavy weapons is too steep for me.
Those either contain 1 of each heavy weapon (and only has 4), or only two heavy weapon arms, neither of which is that much use in 30k outside of veteran squads. Paying £12 on top of £13 for the specific weapons when I want just for 5 heavy weapons is too steep for me.
The auto cannons fit in normal arms and you get two sets of missile launchers per 10 marines. (Meaning 6 in total)
Those either contain 1 of each heavy weapon (and only has 4), or only two heavy weapon arms, neither of which is that much use in 30k outside of veteran squads. Paying £12 on top of £13 for the specific weapons when I want just for 5 heavy weapons is too steep for me.
The auto cannons fit in normal arms and you get two sets of missile launchers per 10 marines. (Meaning 6 in total)
The autocannon/volkite culverin/rotor cannon/heavy bolters are fine, it's the shoulder mounted weapons (missile launcher/lascannon/plasma cannon/multimelta) that are the problem. And from what I can see on the sprues, the plastic kit only contains one missile launcher (and one heavy bolter), so that's 3 ML in the set.
All of the Forge World weapons are a bit of a problem - they were made to be compatible with the old plastic marines who had hands on their *arms*, the heresy plastics have the hands on the gun instead so you've got a bit of tedious cutting and gluing required to use them.
The closest comparisons for the box are Deathstorm and Stormclaw as both contained regular multi-part models with the exception of exclusive monopose characters for both. Both were priced at £75 but were in the £120-£150 range for individual component.
Gashrog wrote: All of the Forge World weapons are a bit of a problem - they were made to be compatible with the old plastic marines who had hands on their *arms*, the heresy plastics have the hands on the gun instead so you've got a bit of tedious cutting and gluing required to use them.
The closest comparisons for the box are Deathstorm and Stormclaw as both contained regular multi-part models with the exception of exclusive monopose characters for both. Both were priced at £75 but were in the £120-£150 range for individual component.
I know. I was thinking of using these guys cause I wanna run Imperial Fists with Lotsa Heavy support guys, but the Auto cannons/Everything else will require me to Cut the hand off.
I don't know, it looks ok from a distance but if you look at it closely it's definitely not as good. Some of the detail looks kind of soft, and it has clearly suffered in the transition from multi-part resin to single-part plastic. For example, the space behind the head should be a lot deeper instead of being a flat wall with half a head sticking out. And on the exhaust pipes you can see a ridiculous oval "hole" where the no-undercuts restriction of plastic molds became a problem. I get that it's cheaper and that might make it desirable, but for me the lower quality combined with the much worse posing options is just too much and I'll gladly pay FW prices for a better product.
Peregrine wrote: I don't know, it looks ok from a distance but if you look at it closely it's definitely not as good. Some of the detail looks kind of soft, and it has clearly suffered in the transition from multi-part resin to single-part plastic. For example, the space behind the head should be a lot deeper instead of being a flat wall with half a head sticking out. And on the exhaust pipes you can see a ridiculous oval "hole" where the no-undercuts restriction of plastic molds became a problem. I get that it's cheaper and that might make it desirable, but for me the lower quality combined with the much worse posing options is just too much and I'll gladly pay FW prices for a better product.
You're right about the quality.
But if you play HH, it will be better to use larger units of Tactical Marines since each Marine after the first ten costs two third of the regular one.
This is a great opportunity to get the hands on lots of Tacticals.
Mind you, I'll probably try and blag another Kheres assault cannon off of someone and run it as Contemptor-Mortis.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh, also, can I just say thank god for plastic Kheres assault cannon? I'm glad I've never had to assemble one of those things.
nudibranch wrote: Mind you, I'll probably try and blag another Kheres assault cannon off of someone and run it as Contemptor-Mortis.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh, also, can I just say thank god for plastic Kheres assault cannon? I'm glad I've never had to assemble one of those things.
I am probably going to do the same or buy a single kheres off of FW. Be prepared to see eBay sellers put the weapons arms up for like $25 a piece.
For the most part, it appears as though it will be compatible with the FW parts with a little work. Yes, some cutting or sawing will be required.
If I get two sets, I could make a Contemptor Mortis for my Crimson Fists and a Contemptor Furioso for my Blood Angels.
That contemptor looks much better unpainted and from that angle! Definitely getting this set if it's not limited!
Not sure this deserves it's own thread, so I'll post it here as it seems relevant to folks starting Heresy armies; if anyone's after a very, very cheap Primarch stand-in then Kabuki Models have a Halloween Free Shipping deal and most of their Knights of Legend Range at knock-down prices! Just grabbed 'Vulkan', 'Lorgar' and 'Mortarian' for under £30 total!
http://kabuki-models.com/13-knights-of-legend
The free shipping is applied when you get to the checkout, you can even select the fastest option for nada.
Doing a contents run, or planning a future purchase?
Planning. Kinda. Now to hope it's reasonably priced. I've got 4 AoS boxes sitting in the other room waiting for me to clear the painting desk, why not add a few more marines to the queue?
Doing a contents run, or planning a future purchase?
Planning. Kinda. Now to hope it's reasonably priced. I've got 4 AoS boxes sitting in the other room waiting for me to clear the painting desk, why not add a few more marines to the queue?
A few here meaning '120 Marines, 20 Terminators, 4 Dreads, 8 Commanders'... Now I'm intrigued to know what you have planned for this lot...That many minis, I wouldn't be surprised if it were some kind of ridiculously counts-as KoW army!
Paradigm wrote: That contemptor looks much better unpainted and from that angle! Definitely getting this set if it's not limited!
Not sure this deserves it's own thread, so I'll post it here as it seems relevant to folks starting Heresy armies; if anyone's after a very, very cheap Primarch stand-in then Kabuki Models have a Halloween Free Shipping deal and most of their Knights of Legend Range at knock-down prices! Just grabbed 'Vulkan', 'Lorgar' and 'Mortarian' for under £30 total!
http://kabuki-models.com/13-knights-of-legend
The free shipping is applied when you get to the checkout, you can even select the fastest option for nada.
Hope that's of use to someone.
Hm.. I can't see anything about free shipping anywhere on their page or facebook?
A few here meaning '120 Marines, 20 Terminators, 4 Dreads, 8 Commanders'... Now I'm intrigued to know what you have planned for this lot...That many minis, I wouldn't be surprised if it were some kind of ridiculously counts-as KoW army!
Planned? What do you mean "planned?" They all just go in the pile for my eventual bunch of chapters of marines.
Paradigm wrote: That contemptor looks much better unpainted and from that angle! Definitely getting this set if it's not limited!
Not sure this deserves it's own thread, so I'll post it here as it seems relevant to folks starting Heresy armies; if anyone's after a very, very cheap Primarch stand-in then Kabuki Models have a Halloween Free Shipping deal and most of their Knights of Legend Range at knock-down prices! Just grabbed 'Vulkan', 'Lorgar' and 'Mortarian' for under £30 total!
http://kabuki-models.com/13-knights-of-legend
The free shipping is applied when you get to the checkout, you can even select the fastest option for nada.
Hope that's of use to someone.
Hm.. I can't see anything about free shipping anywhere on their page or farebook?
No, I didn't see it mentioned anywhere, the voucher just came up when I went to the checkout and when it asked me to pick a shipping option they were all listed as free.
Paradigm wrote: That contemptor looks much better unpainted and from that angle! Definitely getting this set if it's not limited!
Not sure this deserves it's own thread, so I'll post it here as it seems relevant to folks starting Heresy armies; if anyone's after a very, very cheap Primarch stand-in then Kabuki Models have a Halloween Free Shipping deal and most of their Knights of Legend Range at knock-down prices! Just grabbed 'Vulkan', 'Lorgar' and 'Mortarian' for under £30 total!
http://kabuki-models.com/13-knights-of-legend
The free shipping is applied when you get to the checkout, you can even select the fastest option for nada.
Hope that's of use to someone.
Hm.. I can't see anything about free shipping anywhere on their page or farebook?
No, I didn't see it mentioned anywhere, the voucher just came up when I went to the checkout and when it asked me to pick a shipping option they were all listed as free.
Thanks for that! Just ordered a "Magnus the Red" for 30 euros, saving 35.99 euros on postage!
Anyone else notice that there's very little mk.v armour on the FW webstore? The only thing I can find in that mark is the assault squad. Not much mk.vi left either...
Some of the 9 euro ones are also the best looking. For that price it's worth getting some even if I have no intention of starting their legion, just to give out as gifts to people playing those legions.
They also work great as statues. The fact that they differ from the officlal visage of the primarch but retain his distinctive elements in the way of armour, weapons and appearence. It makes me imagine a sculptor who has never seen the primarch but tries to give form to the tales and stories he has heard of him.
I love mk.4 but hate Craptemptor dreadnoughts and Crapcraptii termies. Not sure what to do, I stopped buying 40k after AoS and this might be not worth breaking this wonderful GW free spell.
I'd love me another boardgame with good minis though, even in boring HH times (which I ofc hate). On the other hand the price seems a bit high. Sure it's good vs FW but quite bad vs other GW boxed games/ expansions/ starters. Will wait for reviews and then see I guess.
There was mention of a free pin-badge, but that kind of thing usually comes with GW pre/mail orders. So a free miniature, like they did with the AOS release, is a possibility.
Paradigm wrote: That contemptor looks much better unpainted and from that angle! Definitely getting this set if it's not limited!
Not sure this deserves it's own thread, so I'll post it here as it seems relevant to folks starting Heresy armies; if anyone's after a very, very cheap Primarch stand-in then Kabuki Models have a Halloween Free Shipping deal and most of their Knights of Legend Range at knock-down prices! Just grabbed 'Vulkan', 'Lorgar' and 'Mortarian' for under £30 total!
http://kabuki-models.com/13-knights-of-legend
The free shipping is applied when you get to the checkout, you can even select the fastest option for nada.
Hope that's of use to someone.
I got the original Angron via eBay. This model is absolutely brilliant.
Plumbumbarum wrote: I love mk.4 but hate Craptemptor dreadnoughts and Crapcraptii termies. Not sure what to do, I stopped buying 40k after AoS and this might be not worth breaking this wonderful GW free spell.
I'd love me another boardgame with good minis though, even in boring HH times (which I ofc hate). On the other hand the price seems a bit high. Sure it's good vs FW but quite bad vs other GW boxed games/ expansions/ starters. Will wait for reviews and then see I guess.
Well worse comes to worse, you buy the game and sell off what you don't like. A lot of people have plenty marines but might like some of the other models.
The lower legs look very different from the FW kit. The kneepads are much more recessed, the knee joint is a lot smaller and the torso seems to be bigger.
Basically, it looks like the plastic Contemptor skipped on leg day.
Here is a picture of my FW contemptor dread for comparison who is actually in a similar, derpy pose. I swear these guys ripped me off! I assembled him like half a year ago.
I will be getting a box or two. It looks like they will be Night Lords, since I could get Batman Knight for not very much in the Kabuki sale, along with some batwing-skull shoulderpads.
So, Contemptors. What is the consensus on weaponry -- get a couple of boxes and use both Kheres cannons on one dread, if that's easy enough to do, to make a Contemptor Mortis? How to arm the other? Pick up extra weapons from FW? Missile launchers on both, too, presumably?
Contemptor armaments - I've already got a dual kheres (he's awesome!) I'll get two from calth, one with two fists, one with two twin volkites I've picked up from fw. That's me
TheCustomLime wrote: Eldar, Dark Eldar and Orks are the only playable Xenos around during the HH. The rest came onto the scene around 10,000 years afterwards.
Nothing stopping you from playing a 30k army in a what if scenario, though.
I don't think it would be too much of a stretch to have a 30k Imperial force unwittingly stumble across a Tomb World and trigger its wakeup a tad early (seeing as they've been sleeping for 65 million years, 10,000 years is the Necron equivalent of your alarm going off a couple of minutes early!). Obviously they wouldn't know what Necrons were, but being Xenos they'd almost certainly attempt to eradicate them by any means necessary.
The only 40k Xenos that don't really make sense in 30k are the Tau and Nids, since neither show up until much later.
There were other, minor xenos during the Heresy (such as those weird Slaanesh worshiping worms), but I doubt we'll ever see models for them as they are very minor players in the story.
I see so much conversion potential for the Contemptor kit! Magnetizing the arms (under the shoulder), converting lascannon arms, etc.
I could have sworn I saw a Contemptor with two assault cannon per arm (don't remember if it was a conversion or not), can't seem to find it online though.
I never got into 30k so I only need two MkIV guys and two or three Cataphractii Terminators to mix into my existing stuff. I already have three Contemptors magnetized for mix & match gearing up when I make my lists.
Plumbumbarum wrote: I love mk.4 but hate Craptemptor dreadnoughts and Crapcraptii termies. Not sure what to do, I stopped buying 40k after AoS and this might be not worth breaking this wonderful GW free spell.
I'd love me another boardgame with good minis though, even in boring HH times (which I ofc hate). On the other hand the price seems a bit high. Sure it's good vs FW but quite bad vs other GW boxed games/ expansions/ starters. Will wait for reviews and then see I guess.
Well worse comes to worse, you buy the game and sell off what you don't like. A lot of people have plenty marines but might like some of the other models.
Yes good advice but it's a decision of loosely defined morality now lol. I don't really like them Greed Wealthstock and don't want to support them but hey it's shiny. Also I want to try converting contemptor legs with standard boxy dread top for something that could walk, not to mention catphractii (?) legs with standard termies. It's the price so the wife really that keeps me from buying the most tbh. Lol I'm drunk.
Box confirmed to be 95Pounds so 150$-ish, that make a 125euros.
I think it's the photo, the model is leaning forward a bit, so it gives an illusion of larger top smaller bottom.
It's the missing knee caps & the cut on the front of the exhausts. As I've got 2 DG ones already will either sell these or harvest the weapons.
Thanks for making the box contemptor look like garbage GW. I know you dont wanna canabalize your own sales, but that is not good quality. Those skinny legs absolutley kill it for me.
Man, Games ar never happy, we finally get a Plastic Contemptor, and people complain about it. Yes, ofcourse the FW one is better. but it is also more effing expensive. This is a cheaper alternative.
I don't know. I would recommend someone to spring for the FW one just on the grounds on being better proportioned and detailed. I think the extra cost is worth it.
Then again, I'm about to drop $120 for Rowboat Girlyman so what do I know? I could buy a nice Khador army for that.
hotsauceman1 wrote: Man, Games ar never happy, we finally get a Plastic Contemptor, and people complain about it. Yes, ofcourse the FW one is better. but it is also more effing expensive. This is a cheaper alternative.
Of course we're going to complain, because it's a lower-quality product whose only advantage is that it's cheaper. GW could have done a proper kit with full posing options but they decided to do a monopose one with some awkward design choices included. So why shouldn't we criticize this?
Box confirmed to be 95Pounds so 150$-ish, that make a 125euros.
I think it's the photo, the model is leaning forward a bit, so it gives an illusion of larger top smaller bottom.
It's the missing knee caps & the cut on the front of the exhausts. As I've got 2 DG ones already will either sell these or harvest the weapons.
Thanks for making the box contemptor look like garbage GW. I know you dont wanna canabalize your own sales, but that is not good quality. Those skinny legs absolutley kill it for me.
Are you being for real? They look exactly the same- Why are you being so critical & complaining?
Too many cups half empty in here, you lot should lighten up , enjoy the game & stop knit picking at everything.
hotsauceman1 wrote: Man, Games ar never happy, we finally get a Plastic Contemptor, and people complain about it. Yes, ofcourse the FW one is better. but it is also more effing expensive. This is a cheaper alternative.
Of course we're going to complain, because it's a lower-quality product whose only advantage is that it's cheaper. GW could have done a proper kit with full posing options but they decided to do a monopose one with some awkward design choices included. So why shouldn't we criticize this?
How do you know there isn't a proper Contemptor kit in the pipeline for $50+? Or did you rage at the DV monopose Helbrute as well?
Folks interested in the HH and willing to shell out a $100 for a Contemptor have already done it. This release *is* a more affordable alternative for those who wouldn't pay so much for a shoddily cast miniature from FW. Is the quality less? Of course it is, you pay a sixth of the price for it! You'd have to be mentally impaired to demand the same quality for a kit this much cheaper. Is it acceptable quality for the general public? I'd say it is. It certainly is for me. And if I find myself in need of more Contemptors, I'll either wait for the full kit or convert the starter one.
Box confirmed to be 95Pounds so 150$-ish, that make a 125euros.
I think it's the photo, the model is leaning forward a bit, so it gives an illusion of larger top smaller bottom.
It's the missing knee caps & the cut on the front of the exhausts. As I've got 2 DG ones already will either sell these or harvest the weapons.
Thanks for making the box contemptor look like garbage GW. I know you dont wanna canabalize your own sales, but that is not good quality. Those skinny legs absolutley kill it for me.
Are you being for real? They look exactly the same- Why are you being so critical & complaining?
Too many cups half empty in here, you lot should lighten up , enjoy the game & stop knit picking at everything.
I own a contemptor dread and they are not the same. The plastic one has worse details and tiny legs.
Box confirmed to be 95Pounds so 150$-ish, that make a 125euros.
I think it's the photo, the model is leaning forward a bit, so it gives an illusion of larger top smaller bottom.
It's the missing knee caps & the cut on the front of the exhausts. As I've got 2 DG ones already will either sell these or harvest the weapons.
Thanks for making the box contemptor look like garbage GW. I know you dont wanna canabalize your own sales, but that is not good quality. Those skinny legs absolutley kill it for me.
Are you being for real? They look exactly the same- Why are you being so critical & complaining?
Too many cups half empty in here, you lot should lighten up , enjoy the game & stop knit picking at everything.
I own a contemptor dread and they are not the same. The plastic one has worse details and tiny legs.
I used to own one as well & can say that they look Similar enough for one to not care. It's just the pose that's goofy!
True, I think having a plastic contemptor at that price point is a good thing even if the detail isn't quite there. It helps lower the barrier into 30k which the game desperately needed. I hope to see a new influx of fresh blood in my local group!
Box confirmed to be 95Pounds so 150$-ish, that make a 125euros.
I think it's the photo, the model is leaning forward a bit, so it gives an illusion of larger top smaller bottom.
It's the missing knee caps & the cut on the front of the exhausts. As I've got 2 DG ones already will either sell these or harvest the weapons.
Thanks for making the box contemptor look like garbage GW. I know you dont wanna canabalize your own sales, but that is not good quality. Those skinny legs absolutley kill it for me.
Are you being for real? They look exactly the same- Why are you being so critical & complaining?
Too many cups half empty in here, you lot should lighten up , enjoy the game & stop knit picking at everything.
I own a contemptor dread and they are not the same. The plastic one has worse details and tiny legs.
I used to own one as well & can say that they look Similar enough for one to not care. It's just the pose that's goofy!
The point we are making is they have the model. Its sitting right at their HQ. They could have EASILY transfered it to a plastic 3d rendering. They CHOSE to make it look crappy to say "see we give you value!" while knowing it wont interfere with their regular contemptor sales because it will always be inferior. Its the SAME reason they arbitrarily changed the castelan robots to kastelan lego toys.
Box confirmed to be 95Pounds so 150$-ish, that make a 125euros.
I think it's the photo, the model is leaning forward a bit, so it gives an illusion of larger top smaller bottom.
It's the missing knee caps & the cut on the front of the exhausts. As I've got 2 DG ones already will either sell these or harvest the weapons.
Thanks for making the box contemptor look like garbage GW. I know you dont wanna canabalize your own sales, but that is not good quality. Those skinny legs absolutley kill it for me.
Are you being for real? They look exactly the same- Why are you being so critical & complaining?
Too many cups half empty in here, you lot should lighten up , enjoy the game & stop knit picking at everything.
I own a contemptor dread and they are not the same. The plastic one has worse details and tiny legs.
I used to own one as well & can say that they look Similar enough for one to not care. It's just the pose that's goofy!
The point we are making is they have the model. Its sitting right at their HQ. They could have EASILY transfered it to a plastic 3d rendering. They CHOSE to make it look crappy to say "see we give you value!" while knowing it wont interfere with their regular contemptor sales because it will always be inferior. Its the SAME reason they arbitrarily changed the castelan robots to kastelan lego toys.
How do you know it's easy? They have to put them on sprues so I don't think it would be as easy as you think it is...
My point is, you're making yourselves sound so petty...
Box confirmed to be 95Pounds so 150$-ish, that make a 125euros.
I think it's the photo, the model is leaning forward a bit, so it gives an illusion of larger top smaller bottom.
It's the missing knee caps & the cut on the front of the exhausts. As I've got 2 DG ones already will either sell these or harvest the weapons.
Thanks for making the box contemptor look like garbage GW. I know you dont wanna canabalize your own sales, but that is not good quality. Those skinny legs absolutley kill it for me.
Are you being for real? They look exactly the same- Why are you being so critical & complaining?
Too many cups half empty in here, you lot should lighten up , enjoy the game & stop knit picking at everything.
I own a contemptor dread and they are not the same. The plastic one has worse details and tiny legs.
I used to own one as well & can say that they look Similar enough for one to not care. It's just the pose that's goofy!
The point we are making is they have the model. Its sitting right at their HQ. They could have EASILY transfered it to a plastic 3d rendering. They CHOSE to make it look crappy to say "see we give you value!" while knowing it wont interfere with their regular contemptor sales because it will always be inferior. Its the SAME reason they arbitrarily changed the castelan robots to kastelan lego toys.
How do you know it's easy? They have to put them on sprues so I don't think it would be as easy as you think it is...
My point is, you're making yourselves sound so petty...
It's hardly petty to not like something. The plastic Contemptor is in one pose and has much shallower detail, if that's enough for someone not to like it then that's fair enough, it's not petty to think the resin one is a lot better.
There isn't a minimal difference, there's a noticeable difference in the quality of the models. If it's fine by your standards, fine, doesn't mean everyone has the same standards.
Shallower details, not posable, lack of undercuts (mostly visible at the top of the scallop things on the knees/crotch, on the plastic they just have big flat areas going back until they meet the leg behind it).
The resin one is just a lot crisper, while the plastic is softer round the edges.
Again, I get it, you're happy with it. Do you really need to argue with anyone who isn't? People have different standards for things.
ImAGeek wrote: Shallower details, not posable, lack of undercuts (mostly visible at the top of the scallop things on the knees/crotch, on the plastic they just have big flat areas going back until they meet the leg behind it).
The resin one is just a lot crisper, while the plastic is softer round the edges.
Again, I get it, you're happy with it. Do you really need to argue with anyone who isn't? People have different standards for things.
I don't mind it, but you're missing my point. It's not about others disliking it, it's the manor of how they express there dislike & how they speak as if they personally deserve better. It is boring!
Since this is going to be a general release, I would if I should just put off getting the set to pick up the next HH book i need or put it off and grab a set anyway lol
ImAGeek wrote: Shallower details, not posable, lack of undercuts (mostly visible at the top of the scallop things on the knees/crotch, on the plastic they just have big flat areas going back until they meet the leg behind it).
The resin one is just a lot crisper, while the plastic is softer round the edges.
Again, I get it, you're happy with it. Do you really need to argue with anyone who isn't? People have different standards for things.
The thing is, your standards are unreasonable and you're trying to paint the plastic Contemptor as an affront to the FW versions, despite them both being completely different animals with a different target audience.
Shallower details? It's a plastic kit, of course the detail is not as crisp as a resin cast, it's physically impossible. Lack of undercuts? Plastic kits can't have undercuts without sliding molds which are too expensive for such a niche product. You're not arguing that the plastic Contemptor is worse, you're arguing that resin produces higer quality models. Which is such a truism I don't know why you feel the need to hammer it down so hard.
Again, if you're fixated on getting the highest quality possible, then FW is your only option. I don't understand why you're even dropping by a GW release thread. Their kits are going to be plastic and suffer all the shortcomings of a plastic kit, this isn't going to change.
The point is, it is now economically feasible to start a HH army. The Contemptor is a cheap starter kit monopose model, there was never a speck of a chance it'd be as good as an FW Contemptor. If anybody expected that, then they're being flat-out unreasonable. It smacks of trolling at this point.
I know why the plastic one is a lower standard, but 1. It could easily have been just as posable as the FW one, so that's not down to a material limit, 2. The point still stands that it is lower quality, which some people might not be happy with, 3. Undercuts on the knees could have been fixed by having the knees a seperate part etc. So none of that is due to the shortcomings of plastic, it's down to shortcomings in the design of the sprue.
It's okay, I'm still going to buy a couple of boxes. But it could've been a lot better even in plastic, and it's rather dissapointing.
ImAGeek wrote: I know why the plastic one is a lower standard, but 1. It could easily have been just as posable as the FW one, so that's not down to a material limit, 2. The point still stands that it is lower quality, which some people might not be happy with, 3. Undercuts on the knees could have been fixed by having the knees a seperate part etc. So none of that is due to the shortcomings of plastic, it's down to shortcomings in the design of the sprue.
It's okay, I'm still going to buy a couple of boxes. But it could've been a lot better even in plastic, and it's rather dissapointing.
Again, it could NOT have been fully posable, because it's a simplified starter kit. There's no room on the one sprue the team had been allocated to accommodate separate leg and arm parts. If/when the full kit comes out, I expect it to be as posable as the FW model. It'll be more expensive, though, and some folks will still go for the cheapest of the three options (like with the DV Helbrute).
ImAGeek wrote: I know why the plastic one is a lower standard, but 1. It could easily have been just as posable as the FW one, so that's not down to a material limit, 2. The point still stands that it is lower quality, which some people might not be happy with, 3. Undercuts on the knees could have been fixed by having the knees a seperate part etc. So none of that is due to the shortcomings of plastic, it's down to shortcomings in the design of the sprue.
It's okay, I'm still going to buy a couple of boxes. But it could've been a lot better even in plastic, and it's rather dissapointing.
Again, it could NOT have been fully posable, because it's a simplified starter kit. There's no room on the one sprue the team had been allocated to accommodate separate leg and arm parts. If/when the full kit comes out, I expect it to be as posable as the FW model. It'll be more expensive, though, and some folks will still go for the cheapest of the three options (like with the DV Helbrute).
Yes it could have been, it's not a simplified starter kit. Every other model in the kit bar the characters are full kits, like the Space Marine tactical squad kit, fully posable and everything. Were the rest of the box monopose I wouldn't even be mentioning it but it's not, it's a proper box. Which just makes it dissapointing that the Contemptor isn't.
Wilson wrote: It would be so easy to repose though....
Which I'll try on at least one, but I'd rather not have had to, and doesn't help the detail issues of it being in as few parts as it is.
Like I've said, it's not a huge deal, it's just dissapointing.
Disappointing? I would say no.
Its also an opportunity for players out there who want to start SM or fill their ranks with Marines models.
I'll get one box just out of curiosity. Thirty Marines for my HH army isn't a bad deal. As a unit, its 350 pts before upgrades.
Perhaps this has been answered or I missed it but will this be direct preorder from GW or can I get it from local gaming store as preorder? Thx in advance...want to support local store if can :-)
Really can't understand anyone being annoyed or disappointed over this. I love forge world for the last 3 years I hav only bought FW models and rule books, 80% of which has been heresy. I know how beautiful their models are his wonderfully crisp the details are and how easy it is to modify and pose them.......but I'm also sick and tired of their fragility having to wash them, heat them up and twist them just to get them to fit. I love modelling it's one of my favourite bits of the hobby but it's tough when your plodding through troops. This is a super opportunity to bulk with little cost or effort and maybe try some fun new rules aimed at small scale heresy battles. Well done all the folks at GWHQ, ignore the groaning and hopefully you will get good sales from this.
Id much rather the starter be affordable that have all the bells n whistles. if it had extra pieces to allow posing and more under cuts the cost would be much higher.
Personally id rather it be cheap so i can afford it as i have almost no forge world models at this time.
I'm looking at that contemptor, reading the back and fourth here and can't help but think that if I wanted crappy cheap plastics I'd not be doing to GW for them. GW stuff is expensive down here, even the large boxes that are a 'good deal', if I am going to pay that then it better damn be a quality product. That contemptor isn't a quality product.
Wouldn't be dakka if people didn't have something to complain about.
"This plastic starter box model isn't fully posable and suffers all the normal limitations of plastic!"
"The fact that the marines and terminators in the box aren't monopose, which for a starter box is totally awesome, just means I'm going to be an arse about the dreadnought still being monopose! Because of reasons!"
"I'm in Australia and GW stuff is expensive here!"
I came here - 2 new pages of rumours, exciting I think to myself... I then read and find moany people who ultimately would whinge about anything. think it's time to leave dakka. At the end of the day guys it's toy soldiers. We're getting plastics of stuff previously available in resin. Enjoy it, buy it. If you don't, then don't. Don't whine on about the fact gw is giving us something great just because it is a bit monopose. Chin up you moany buggers!
Hey now.
Personally I will be hard pressed to see a difference between a GW and FW contemptor once painted up (apart from the pose in most cases).
Still I can understand the grumpy comments here;
People who like HH are usually detail nerds that like to knitpick on modellers missing the the odd detail on a backpack or bolters having the wrong kind of bobs next to the flips, and so forth.
If the FW team miss out on a detail, the whining is there too.
Not because they are negative and whiny, but because they actually care about details. We are talking old school modeling nerd pride here.
Would be strange to see them accept a lower standard with these.
Bull0 wrote: "This plastic starter box model isn't fully posable and suffers all the normal limitations of plastic!"
Just pointing out it is entirely possible and probably not that hard at all to make fully poseable plastic robot legs, GW just wants to keep it's larger plastic kits on as few sprues as possible to keep costs down.
rtb02 wrote: I came here - 2 new pages of rumours, exciting I think to myself... I then read and find moany people who ultimately would whinge about anything. think it's time to leave dakka. At the end of the day guys it's toy soldiers. We're getting plastics of stuff previously available in resin. Enjoy it, buy it. If you don't, then don't. Don't whine on about the fact gw is giving us something great just because it is a bit monopose. Chin up you moany buggers!
The set looks good to me. Never really been into marines, seem to be a xenos sympathiser. Anyway I'm looking forward to crushing some legionaries with my necrons. Primarchs fighting ctan would be interesting. My money is on ctan but I'm biased.... :-)
Wouldn't it be great if people actually read people's complaints rather than just assuming what they're saying and writing it off as just moaning for moanings sake?
People have different opinions on things. Some are negative. Get over it.
I'm not going to whine about the plastic contempt other than to mention GW have once again used a cupcake-esque skull decoration.
It's the one thing that looks really poor in plastic, yet they keep doing it.
Ive noticed the fact people will moan about the quick fit kits in these games but its something that has never bothered me at all. quick assemble, quick play.
as said I'm not going to buy the game but it has nothing to do with the models. it has everything to do with Me not wanting it.
GW does produce dud figures but even then the duds are still great sculpts even mr pumagor .
I can't be the only one that is still remembering that this is a board game not a general release model and that a Contemptor with the same equipment costs over half as much as this game will? That means, you are getting the whole complement of Marines and Terminators(fully customizable plastic kits, not snapfit) for roughly $55 (the Contemptor and its options come out to about $95). The bodies of the Marines alone(no weapons or accessories) is four times that price.
I think some of you need some perspective. Would it have been great if the Contemptor was fully poseable? Absolutely, but sacrifices have made to keep costs down. There is nowhere in the world you are going to be able to get two characters, thirty PA Marines, five Terminators, and a Dreadnought for $150.
My only complaint regarding the Contemptor is that it takes more work to make it compatible with the other Forgeworld arms. One must saw off the weapon parts to allow for a different weapon to be used. More of a pain in the butt than anything.
Bull0 wrote: "I'm in Australia and GW stuff is expensive here!"
Look at you there, trying to make that out as if it were nothing.
Ingrate.
Sadly, since this is GW not FW, this game is probably not a deal for you. You could probably buy all of the same stuff in resin and a Thunderhawk and still have lunch money left over.
Let's imagine there would be a three sprue, customizable kit with all the weapon options - presented in crystal clear pics of an upcoming White Dwarf - and people find out IT IS NOT PERFECTLY LIKE THE FW ONES.
Why should GW actually do that?
They get more money for the FW ones, production at least in small numbers should be a lot cheaper in resin. So why do they not offer 'better' kits than Forgeworld? FW will always be the pinnacle of GW's products because otherwise who would spend so much money for it?
The rage about a not so poseable Contemptor kit is not making sense. GW products will never outclass similiar ones from FW because it would end the existence of the latter.
Pointed out by some reliable rumormongers Forgeworld suffered by the loss of worldwide Games Days because that's how vulnerable they actually are. They needed these regular sales directly to their customers.
Where is the reason to further cut into FW sales if not to free some production capacity at FW to let them create top-notch but expensive models?
Getting angry about the GW stuff being lesser quality is that you are actually talking about the end of Forgeworld because it makes no sense that GW - the same company - would undercut the market FW tries to survive in.
Be happy that GW is not trying to wipe the floor with FW quality-wise. GW does clearly offer an (a bit) less detailed product than FW.
I thought there was going to be a pre-order for this on Halloween ?
With that being said, taking a year away from this hobby, this forum, and the gaming community, I notice things haven't changed. The taint of depression that overtakes so many young men in this hobby is a plague. It doesn't matter what GW does to improve the hobby experience, they could answer every small request: more this, more that, and yet I believe with all my heart that it would not make a difference. Every purchase they make will never fill the hole inside, happiness never acquired. And sadly they will never understand this.
I have much to be happy about and I don't project my life's problems, frustrations, and impotence into the machine of constant unhappiness.
I won't completely abandon this hobby, but I may just forget about trying to find anything useful in Dakka.
Bull0 wrote: "I'm in Australia and GW stuff is expensive here!"
Look at you there, trying to make that out as if it were nothing.
Ingrate.
Not at all, I just don't see how it's worth mentioning every single time GW release something new since everybody knows by now. We get it; it's unfair; we do sympathise.
Garukadon wrote: I thought there was going to be a pre-order for this on Halloween ?
With that being said, taking a year away from this hobby, this forum, and the gaming community, I notice things haven't changed. The taint of depression that overtakes so many young men in this hobby is a plague. It doesn't matter what GW does to improve the hobby experience, they could answer every small request: more this, more that, and yet I believe with all my heart that it would not make a difference. Every purchase they make will never fill the hole inside, happiness never acquired. And sadly they will never understand this.
I have much to be happy about and I don't project my life's problems, frustrations, and impotence into the machine of constant unhappiness.
I won't completely abandon this hobby, but I may just forget about trying to find anything useful in Dakka.
People take it way too personally when someone doesn't find something as amazing as they do. The vast majority of this thread has been positive. My only disappointment is the Contemptor, that's it. Don't turn it into some 'pit of depression' or anything ridiculous, that's utterly hyperbolic. People are allowed to say they don't like something. What's the point in having a forum if everyone has the same opinion? You may as well just talk to yourself about it at that point.
If you need everyone else to like something to validate you liking it or whatever, that's your problem. If you like something why do you care if the odd person has something slightly negative to say about it?
I am a bit disappointed the tiles (most likely, given the hexes) aren't Space Hulk or Execution Force compatible.
Miniatures look fun. For rattling around in a board-game box, the Dread is probably the best of the bunch. I'm more worried about the small bits on some of the other minis, though nothing looks as fragile as the Execution Force Assassins, so I think it's a step up.
At first I thought the rooms are hex because of the actual architecture, and there would be smaller squares on them but it looks like there are not. So the experience from Space Hulk that 40mm and 60mm bases would not fit properly onto the old squares could have led to the new system. It was quite a problem if you put your SH Terminators onto 40mm bases to use them for 40k. You could hardly fit them next to each other on the tiles on the gameboard. This new system looks to me like the one in e.g. Deadzone allowing several smaller figures or up to one large to occupy an area. There are no measure sticks so the models will probably move around the hex squares only.
Warhams-77 wrote: At first I thought the rooms are hex because of the actual architecture, and there would be smaller squares on them but it looks like there are not. So the experience from Space Hulk that 40mm and 60mm bases would not fit properly onto the old squares could have led to the new system. It was quite a problem if you put your SH Terminators onto 40mm bases to use them for 40k. You could hardly fit them next to each other on the tiles on the gameboard. This new system looks to me like the one in e.g. Deadzone allowing several smaller figures or up to one large to occupy an area. There are no measure sticks so the models will probably move around the hex squares only.
True. Seems to have a tiny bit of Deadzone (multiple minis per square) / Dreadball (hexes) vibe.
I wonder if we're seeing a bit of the ex-Mantic influence in the game design team here.
Some comments on the last page are Way out of line - please remember that rule #1 on Dakka is Be Polite! It's OK to disagree... but it's not OK to insult others by doing so.
Any more unnecessarily aggressive comments will result in a short suspension from the site, so please take some time to write a polite disagreement if you want to discuss something here... thanks.
Yaraton wrote: If you want an unmarked one by the FW, it's probably a good time to buy one as FW will most likely take their model down.
Me, I am getting this one:
so I could care less about the HH box. I am glad though, that some people are happy with the plastic deal.
I doubt Forge World will discontinue their Contemptors, not the Legion-specific ones at least. I mean the Chaos Dreads stayed for so many years, even after the hellbrute kit came out.
I will definitely get the Mhara Gal for my Word Bearers in addition to the boxset
Went and saw the marines in person today & they do look awesome.
The game itself is very similar to space hulk where you have actions points but seemed pretty dull. I was on the fence about getting one but seeing the lot in plastic, I'm definately excited to get one! That contenmptor is for sure getting some assault cannons.
Yeah I am excited for plastic 30k two. I'm going to get multiples just to fill out my ranks. Going to convert a squad to invictarii suzerain. It's $90 for 5 power armored marines from fw.
Shadox wrote: I doubt Forge World will discontinue their Contemptors, not the Legion-specific ones at least. I mean the Chaos Dreads stayed for so many years, even after the hellbrute kit came out.
I will definitely get the Mhara Gal for my Word Bearers in addition to the boxset
Well Heck, they have yet to get rid of any of their Regular Dreads.
We are fine. GW not gonna come to take you FW model and force you to use these.
The only time GW came to my house is when I mentioned squats.........gak
ImAGeek wrote: I know why the plastic one is a lower standard, but 1. It could easily have been just as posable as the FW one, so that's not down to a material limit, 2. The point still stands that it is lower quality, which some people might not be happy with, 3. Undercuts on the knees could have been fixed by having the knees a seperate part etc. So none of that is due to the shortcomings of plastic, it's down to shortcomings in the design of the sprue.
It's okay, I'm still going to buy a couple of boxes. But it could've been a lot better even in plastic, and it's rather dissapointing.
I agree, the sprues could have been made far better. Sliding molds might be more expensive, but certainly not astronomical. Just look at what Dreamforge and Maelstorm did. And the arguement that it's a starter kit is extremely strange because it would be the only sprue in the whole box that has that issue, the Terminators and the Tacticals are normal sprues, the special characters are also not that different from regular special characters. This isn't a DV or AoS starterbox release!
It isn't as good as it could be, which is a shame, but it's still infinitely better then the resin one because it is polystyrene plastic! I can assemble it without using toxic crap that makes me sick (have a nasty allergic reaction to super glue these days). Not even talking about costs, I can 5+ plastic ones for the price of a resin one through the boxed set deal... Yeah, I hate resin! ;-)
What I don't get is that people say that the proportions are off, that doesn't seem the way to me when you take perspective into account. Time will tell though when folks who'll have both measure the legs and torso.
Overall I'm seeing the Contemptor as a great way to do conversions to have alternative poses and magnetized arms.
As for details, I'm missing some rivets on the side of the legs and the front/back of the shoulders. That should be easily remedied with some plastic rivets. Either thin plastic rods or I need to spring for a rivet puncher (which I've been thinking about for a while now, this would be an excellent excuse).
We are talking old school modeling nerd pride here.
I think you and I have very different views on what old school modeling is exactly, have you seen the actual old Rogue Trader era GW models? I think it has more to do with a couple of compulsive disorders, I have a few of those (mold lines, drilling out barels, etc.)...
For me, buying 2 sets of this for $300, to fill out 60 marines. 2 dreads, 10 terminators, and a few Centurions, is massive. For 60 Mk IV Forgeworld marines(With no weapons) alone is $445. This opens up a lot of money to buy other awesome tanks and units.
While I really hate the contemptor design and never quite understood its success (well I do suspect a "forgeworld did it, must be great" phenomenon, or maybe just because its a dreadnought with legs that make sense) but the plastic one in particular doesn't look that much worse to me. Shame ofc that GW didn't take a challenge of making a best one ever but I don't expect much from them anyway these days.
125 euros for a boardgame with a board like the one on pics is bonkers though, who cares about comparisions with prices from another outwordly overpriced company. Not sure if it's not just my depression speaking now though lol.
conker249 wrote: For me, buying 2 sets of this for $300, to fill out 60 marines. 2 dreads, 10 terminators, and a few Centurions, is massive. For 60 Mk IV Forgeworld marines(With no weapons) alone is $445. This opens up a lot of money to buy other awesome tanks and units.
The 10 Cataphracti are another $100 or so too, and the 2 contemptors are well over $100, though that allows you to choose your weapons, and the 2 heroes would be fill the gap to a total of $300. In other words, 5 Cataphracti, 1 contemptor and 1 hero basically costs you $150 -- the cost of the box set -- for forge world resin. That's not including shipping or stupid customs handling charges and all that.
-DE- wrote: Lack of undercuts? Plastic kits can't have undercuts without sliding molds which are too expensive for such a niche product.
Everything else aside, this is wrong on two levels. First, because plastic kits can achieve a finished result with very few undercuts by breaking them down into smaller components, which GW does all the time - they chose not to do so in this case to make the model cheaper to produce and take up less space in the box. Which is perfectly valid, it's a starter box/boxed game, but it was their choice. Second, because the idea that slide-core tooled moulds are too expensive for wargaming is nonsense, especially for GW - they're not too expensive, they're too expensive for GW as currently run because the company is focused on extracting maximum shareholder value from the IPs at the expense of(or at least with total disregard for) long-term viability, so investing in new tooling technology to ensure they remain the premier plastic wargaming manufacturer(note wargaming, there's no argument they're inferior to most scale model kits) isn't something they care about.
Personally I'm not that fussed about the plastic Contemptor, I have 3 already and I'm not a fan of the "relic" style they went with on the plastic one for 30K, not for the Legions I like anyway. I'll probably use it to make a terrain piece.
Another way of looking at it is points per dollar.
From a 40k POV (don’t know 30k points)
2 captains w/moderate gear ~150 points each
5 man terminator squad ~200 points
MM/fist dread - 100 points
3x10 Man tac squads (ML/F) 160ea. 480 points
You are getting a semi-viable ~1,000 point army for $150. That’s about 6-7 points per dollar, depending on wargear and builds. You could fluff things up a lot on the captains (chapter master upgrades) or venerable a/o gun upgrades on the dread. Marines, one of the better armies on the point/dollar ratio, are normally closer to $1:4pts.
Artificier Armor Centurion, Cataphractii Terminator Praetor £33.00 For the set of two
Mk IV Maximus Marine Squad (x10) £48 plus £24 for the bolters
Mk IV Maximus Marine Squad (x10) £48 plus £24 for the bolters
Mk IV Maximus Marine Squad (x10) £48 plus £24 for the bolters
Cataphractii Terminator Squad (x5) £35 ea plus £17 for the weapons
Contemptor Dreadnought £33 ea (minus arms), plus £9.5 an arm x4
Coming out to a grand total of:
Space Hulk had 30 something models and so many tiles, still was cheaper. Comparisions to normal GW prices don't make sense, boxed game/ starters have to be cheaper or what's the point. Comparisions to FW, not sure if serious, that way everything is cheap. Betrayal is overpriced.
I am really trying to resist wanting two of the board game. I would do one as Crimson Fists, the other as Blood Angels. It would give me all I need to run a Gladius for Crimson Fists, and I would have the makings of an Angel's Fury Spearhead for the Blood Angels.
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Plumbumbarum wrote: Space Hulk had 30 something models and so many tiles, still was cheaper. Comparisions to normal GW prices don't make sense, boxed game/ starters have to be cheaper or what's the point. Comparisions to FW, not sure if serious, that way everything is cheap. Betrayal is overpriced.
Space Hulk is 100% monopose. Completely different ballgame.
Plumbumbarum wrote: Space Hulk had 30 something models and so many tiles, still was cheaper. Comparisions to normal GW prices don't make sense, boxed game/ starters have to be cheaper or what's the point. Comparisions to FW, not sure if serious, that way everything is cheap. Betrayal is overpriced.
The point I was making is that if viewed as a Space Marine battle force this is amazingly good value, the boardgame stuff as extras aside you're saving a tonne just counting it as a marine battle force, and given that aside from the contemptors everything in the kit is a functional multi part kit there is no reason NOT to price it as full GW kits. this isnt a dark vengeance mono-pose so cheaper kit, the MKIV and Cataphractii are multi pose, multi armament models.
Oh, I should've been more clear. What time of day? Like, at midnight GMT or something? I have a distinct feeling it's going to sell out after hitting F5 the first time I see it.
TheCustomLime wrote: Oh, I should've been more clear. What time of day? Like, at midnight GMT or something? I have a distinct feeling it's going to sell out after hitting F5 the first time I see it.
It'll be 10am. But it's not limited so it shouldn't sell out.
I agree, the sprues could have been made far better. Sliding molds might be more expensive, but certainly not astronomical. Just look at what Dreamforge and Maelstorm did. And the arguement that it's a starter kit is extremely strange because it would be the only sprue in the whole box that has that issue, the Terminators and the Tacticals are normal sprues, the special characters are also not that different from regular special characters. This isn't a DV or AoS starterbox release!
GW have, and use, sliding core molds. They don't use them as much as I would, but you see them being used every so often. First with the Baneblade, and the most recent I've seen was the Tidewall Gunrig.
No, what strikes me as being the oddest thing about the Contemptor sprue is that it's a full sized sprue with no way to split it for placement into the normal squad sized box. If they release all of these later, separately, it's the odd one that HAS to go into a tank sized box...BUT, it's just one sprue. I absolutely acknowledge that GW could be silly enough to put one single sprue into a big box, but a number of other options came to mind as I considered the matter.
Note, all of these are speculation.
1. They have a non-starter set Contemptor that has multipart/multipose legs/torso ready to go into the same size box that regular dreads are in. It would also be typical GW to include all different ranged weapons in that kit than are in the starter box.
2. They have a separate sprue WITH all those other weapon options that they'll put into the box with the monopose Contemptor, so the dread itself is the same, but the box isn't ridiculously empty with just one sprue in it.
3. They'll stuff three starter-box Contemptors into a single tank-sized box and sell them as a Contemptor talon. Or, knowing GW, they'll just put in two so you can't complete a full talon with just one box, while claiming it's "great news!" because people who bought the starter can now complete their Contemptor talon.
Of the three, and you note that they all have drawbacks since that's what I expect, I think I'd like the first option best.
You do understand that none of us will use it as a board game, right?
Yes. Does it change the fact that it is sold as boargame and is ridiculously priced for one? Not sure.
It does. It's not sold as a board game in Argos for Christmas. It's sold as a board game by GW to fans of GW's gaming systems. And I'm going to buy 2 as a minimum
You do understand that none of us will use it as a board game, right?
Yes. Does it change the fact that it is sold as boargame and is ridiculously priced for one? Not sure.
We don't even know if this is a 'boardgame' yet. Rumourmongers have been claiming that this is a permanent release and it will be replacing The Hobbit in stores. For all we know, this is the starter set for a new game system.
You do understand that none of us will use it as a board game, right?
Yes. Does it change the fact that it is sold as boargame and is ridiculously priced for one? Not sure.
We don't even know if this is a 'boardgame' yet. Rumourmongers have been claiming that this is a permanent release and it will be replacing The Hobbit in stores. For all we know, this is the starter set for a new game system.
That makes no sense, are you suggesting it will be a series of board games?
Plumbumbarum wrote: I love mk.4 but hate Craptemptor dreadnoughts and Crapcraptii termies. Not sure what to do, I stopped buying 40k after AoS and this might be not worth breaking this wonderful GW free spell.
I'd love me another boardgame with good minis though, even in boring HH times (which I ofc hate). On the other hand the price seems a bit high. Sure it's good vs FW but quite bad vs other GW boxed games/ expansions/ starters. Will wait for reviews and then see I guess.
Sounds like you dislike most of the content of the box. Perhaps splitting it with someone else or just picking up some marines/rules/tiles via eBay or trade later on...
You do understand that none of us will use it as a board game, right?
Yes. Does it change the fact that it is sold as boargame and is ridiculously priced for one? Not sure.
We don't even know if this is a 'boardgame' yet. Rumourmongers have been claiming that this is a permanent release and it will be replacing The Hobbit in stores. For all we know, this is the starter set for a new game system.
That makes no sense, are you suggesting it will be a series of board games?
I think they are suggesting it won't be a board game at all, but a starter set for a new product line.
You do understand that none of us will use it as a board game, right?
Yes. Does it change the fact that it is sold as boargame and is ridiculously priced for one? Not sure.
We don't even know if this is a 'boardgame' yet. Rumourmongers have been claiming that this is a permanent release and it will be replacing The Hobbit in stores. For all we know, this is the starter set for a new game system.
Board game, or not, I am in it for the miniatures alone!
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Automatically Appended Next Post: If it is an ongoing board game system, it might be like heroscape.
despite my comments re not really liking the dread, I'll still be buying a couple of sets.
like others, looking for the models not the game but will obs read the rules & that. my local GW will have the box & contents to look through on Saturday. Will probably spend the day there which is something I haven't done in years.
I'll buy one box just for curiosity but not as board game.
I'd like to have a look at the minis. They are a cheap add-on for my HH army. However, I prefer the premium class models to get a display army.
With the kits being multipart and having weapon options, it looks like this could be a sort of strange wargame/boardgame hybrid. We honestly don't know enough yet. We'll just have to wait in see.
You do understand that none of us will use it as a board game, right?
Yes. Does it change the fact that it is sold as boargame and is ridiculously priced for one? Not sure.
We don't even know if this is a 'boardgame' yet. Rumourmongers have been claiming that this is a permanent release and it will be replacing The Hobbit in stores. For all we know, this is the starter set for a new game system.
That makes no sense, are you suggesting it will be a series of board games?
While that does sound ridiculous, it would be entirely possible to add more elements to a base hex grid and change the game significantly - you could add another faction, more models, whatever. It is effectively a "warhammer lite" where you don't need to measure distances or wonder about where things are relatively to each other.
Yeah, they could easily release add-ons consisting of another board section and a few extra models. Sort of like the old Heroquest and Space Crusade add-ons.
insaniak wrote: Yeah, they could easily release add-ons consisting of another board section and a few extra models. Sort of like the old Heroquest and Space Crusade add-ons.
Just what I was thinking. Package a new tile and mission sheet with the upcoming boxes (individual releases for the MkIV and Termies, other armour marks ect) and you could easily increase the longevity and replay value of the game (and if we're being cynical, charge more per box because of it). Unlikely, but not impossible.
By the way, if anyone did grab a not-primarch in the kabuki sale, or has a FW one you fancy painting, a few of us are doing a 'Primarch in a Month' for this month's painting challenge, feel free to join in! The more Primarch goodness we can get in, the more epic it'll be!
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/669063.page
insaniak wrote: Yeah, they could easily release add-ons consisting of another board section and a few extra models. Sort of like the old Heroquest and Space Crusade add-ons.
I'm sure they'll support the game after release, just like they did with Dreadfleet, Assassination Force and both releases of Space Hulk.
Striking whilst the iron is hot is simply not something GW does...
It really just depends on just what the aim is for this game - whether it's a throwaway one-off release like the previous boardgames, or actually intended as a 3rd core game.
Though keep in mind that these are rumours, there is talk of the set replacing The Hobbit on shelves and that it is not a limited edition set. If so and this is a new product line, I predict there will be expansions and additional kits for this release. Also, keep in mind that we've seen 'Horus Heresy' shelf labels with a new logo and that the upcoming set is only subtitled 'Betrayal at Calth', Additionally, the models in this set are mostly multipart plastic kits; it would seem unlikely that GW would produce compex and expensive kits that are limited to one board game. I personally predict that this is the start of a new product line.
Well going by just the mk4 model sprues. It has bolter, bp, ccw, frag and krak, Sargeant weapons and special and heavy weapons. That does not look like something for a one off boxed game would take the time to do. What I bet is that the boxed game is similar to the Dust started. The Dust starter came with rules for playing the game on a grid mat and rules to play it on a table top. I suspect this boxed set to have a two way concept.
BrotherGecko wrote: Well going by just the mk4 model sprues. It has bolter, bp, ccw, frag and krak, Sargeant weapons and special and heavy weapons. That does not look like something for a one off boxed game would take the time to do. What I bet is that the boxed game is similar to the Dust started. The Dust starter came with rules for playing the game on a grid mat and rules to play it on a table top. I suspect this boxed set to have a two way concept.
I think it's unlikely to have two sets of rules. More likely would be a series of boardgames/expansions covering the major plotpoints from the Heresy series, with players pointed towards Forgeworld if they want larger tabletop battles.
insaniak wrote: Yeah, they could easily release add-ons consisting of another board section and a few extra models. Sort of like the old Heroquest and Space Crusade add-ons.
I'm sure they'll support the game after release, just like they did with Dreadfleet, Assassination Force and both releases of Space Hulk.
Striking whilst the iron is hot is simply not something GW does...
But they did support the first release of Space Hulk....with the second release.
But, yeah, this is the company that has a huge WFB-based video game coming soon (Warhammer: Total War) AFTER they blew up and rebooted the WFB game into something else.
Honestly, as long as they allow Forgeworld to continue to do their own thing their own way, I don't care what extra rules, cards, or whatever GW throws in with the plastic 30K stuff.
You do understand that none of us will use it as a board game, right?
Yes. Does it change the fact that it is sold as boargame and is ridiculously priced for one? Not sure.
It does. It's not sold as a board game in Argos for Christmas. It's sold as a board game by GW to fans of GW's gaming systems. And I'm going to buy 2 as a minimum
And we're going to like it no matter how much some individuals tell us that we're incorrect for doing so.
I plan to play the boardgame. I quite enjoyed the assassin one. I will also obviously be making a 30K force, but it's not like those two options are incompatible.
BrotherGecko wrote: Well going by just the mk4 model sprues. It has bolter, bp, ccw, frag and krak, Sargeant weapons and special and heavy weapons. That does not look like something for a one off boxed game would take the time to do. What I bet is that the boxed game is similar to the Dust started. The Dust starter came with rules for playing the game on a grid mat and rules to play it on a table top. I suspect this boxed set to have a two way concept.
I think it's unlikely to have two sets of rules. More likely would be a series of boardgames/expansions covering the major plotpoints from the Heresy series, with players pointed towards Forgeworld if they want larger tabletop battles.
I wonder if they have such a long term plans or it it is just done for the next report, expansions would be interesting if it introduces different things like with (advanced) space crusade
So it looks like there is no iconography directly on the minis? I hope I am right because I want to buy a set all for me and make some Heresy-era Dark Angels.
Zatsuku wrote: So it looks like there is no iconography directly on the minis? I hope I am right because I want to buy a set all for me and make some Heresy-era Dark Angels.
insaniak wrote: It really just depends on just what the aim is for this game - whether it's a throwaway one-off release like the previous boardgames, or actually intended as a 3rd core game.
Given the Marines and Termies are proper models and not starter models it does lend more credence to the idea that it is a core release and not a one-and-done boardgame.
More my point was that the minis themselves aren't going to vanish. The big box might, but then they'll put out (no doubt laughably overpriced) Mk.IV Termies and HH Termies at a later date.
Formosa wrote: I got straight from the horses mouth, it's not a limited release, it's a limited run, they may make more after its sold out.
Well that's barely any more encouraging. It's still putting people in a "buy now, OR ELSE!" situation, since as usual we have no idea how many copies GW have made and whether that number will over or under estimate demand, and we have no idea how long it will be before we see the individual kits(how many months has it been since Execution Force, and rumours are still no more concrete than "Soon(tm)" on clampacks for the Assassins).
I wish I had more faith in them, but I can see GW being derptacular enough to pump out mountains of AoS starter boxes that by many accounts are now sitting on shelves and being heavily discounted, yet get Dreadfleet-phobia again and drastically under-produce for a HH release that will likely end up being an utter goldmine providing they can actually meet demand. Hopefully not, hopefully they've made enough of these to satisfy the immediate demand and have a few left over for folk who don't have £100 to drop just like that in that particular week, but I'd lay even-odds.
Even when they put out a product I want to buy, GW still seem to find ways to not take my money.
I probably wouldn't tbh, there were so many people buying them this round that I think the rarity of them has plummeted. 2009 versions would easily get 100% markup over here, I can't see the 2014 version doing that given that a) they will no doubt release it again, and b) there are a billion copies in the hands of resellers who will be competing with each other to release their stock.
I may be wrong, but who knows - I have an unopened 2014 set, but I bought it for me, not for resale.
insaniak wrote: Yeah, they could easily release add-ons consisting of another board section and a few extra models. Sort of like the old Heroquest and Space Crusade add-ons.
I'm sure they'll support the game after release, just like they did with Dreadfleet, Assassination Force and both releases of Space Hulk.
Striking whilst the iron is hot is simply not something GW does...
I'm not sure how hot Assassination Force was as a game I think almost everyone who bought it just wanted the assassins.
Space Hulk, however, had like... 3 expansions for the first edition (Deathwing, Genestealer, and some book), followed by a second edition with significantly different models, and a third edition with totally new sculpts. And then of course 4e, that was more like 3.2e I still love that game.
Crazyterran wrote: So, do I buy the Ultramarine Praetorian upgrades for the 60 Mk4 Marines? Hmm...
Do you hate your bank account? That is 144 pounds on upgrades!
It obviously won't be all at once - more of a gradual thing. I have so much 40k army stuff to build anyways, it's not like I'm in a huge rush to build and put the heresy stuff on the table top.
And those upgrades will make them look prettier than the other marines though, and as an Ultramarine, that's what really matters!
Crazyterran wrote: So, do I buy the Ultramarine Praetorian upgrades for the 60 Mk4 Marines? Hmm...
Do you hate your bank account? That is 144 pounds on upgrades!
It obviously won't be all at once - more of a gradual thing. I have so much 40k army stuff to build anyways, it's not like I'm in a huge rush to build and put the heresy stuff on the table top.
And those upgrades will make them look prettier than the other marines though, and as an Ultramarine, that's what really matters!
I was considering getting Phalanx Warder upgrades to them but decided against it when I saw the price tag. I may have just received a BIG raise at work, but my wife would be extremely unhappy with me. I may get some of the Mk IV shoulder upgrades though. I could swing $15 for making them look awesome.
Crazyterran wrote: So, do I buy the Ultramarine Praetorian upgrades for the 60 Mk4 Marines? Hmm...
Do you hate your bank account? That is 144 pounds on upgrades!
It obviously won't be all at once - more of a gradual thing. I have so much 40k army stuff to build anyways, it's not like I'm in a huge rush to build and put the heresy stuff on the table top.
And those upgrades will make them look prettier than the other marines though, and as an Ultramarine, that's what really matters!
Probably better to buy a couple of the upgrade kits and spread the parts between the marines, rather than have every marine fully upgraded. More variety that way too, and a lot cheaper.
Talys wrote: Space Hulk, however, had like... 3 expansions for the first edition (Deathwing, Genestealer, and some book), followed by a second edition with significantly different models, and a third edition with totally new sculpts. And then of course 4e, that was more like 3.2e I still love that game.
*slaps Talys*
I was obviously releasing to 3rd Ed Space Hulk, and it's subsequent release (with new hat!).
nudibranch wrote: With the kits being multipart and having weapon options, it looks like this could be a sort of strange wargame/boardgame hybrid. We honestly don't know enough yet. We'll just have to wait in see.
I think you are correct. Similar to the expansions we see for other games like SDE.
But rather than expansions containing more "heroes and monsters" along with extra tiles you could get a different set of HH units.
I would be interested in that as it does away with the silliness of 7th Editions army building and could be fairly balanced.
Oh God. I might actually be getting interested in this. (Takes revolver out of desk drawer.)
Execution Force is an OK game. It's not a bad gateway game to the 40K setting for kids a year or two too young to cope with the main wargame, as long as you have at least one adult player to handle the rather fiddly enemy movement. It's fairly quick and exciting.
insaniak wrote: Yeah, they could easily release add-ons consisting of another board section and a few extra models. Sort of like the old Heroquest and Space Crusade add-ons.
I'm sure they'll support the game after release, just like they did with Dreadfleet, Assassination Force and both releases of Space Hulk.
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Striking whilst the iron is hot is simply not something GW does...
Zuul wrote: So, I just heard from a redshirt that GW has produced 18,000 boxes for the cath rollout. Hopefully everyone who wants one can get one.
Kind of ties into what I heard from the manager of mine on Saturday, they said it was limited but they've produced "a lot" of sets. Said they'd anticipate still having stock by Christmas given how many sets had been produced for it so whilst it's limited, if you want one you'll be able to get one. I said I probably wouldn't be able to afford one until the end of January and they said that probably wouldn't be an issue in terms of there being stock left.
Zuul wrote: So, I just heard from a redshirt that GW has produced 18,000 boxes for the cath rollout. Hopefully everyone who wants one can get one.
Kind of ties into what I heard from the manager of mine on Saturday, they said it was limited but they've produced "a lot" of sets. Said they'd anticipate still having stock by Christmas given how many sets had been produced for it so whilst it's limited, if you want one you'll be able to get one. I said I probably wouldn't be able to afford one until the end of January and they said that probably wouldn't be an issue in terms of there being stock left.
Space Hulk 3rd edition was rumoured to be something like 25,000 or 50,000, and the warehouse was sold out with Pre-Orders.
You do understand that none of us will use it as a board game, right?
Yes. Does it change the fact that it is sold as boargame and is ridiculously priced for one? Not sure.
It does. It's not sold as a board game in Argos for Christmas. It's sold as a board game by GW to fans of GW's gaming systems. And I'm going to buy 2 as a minimum
And we're going to like it no matter how much some individuals tell us that we're incorrect for doing so.
I want it too though and would most probably like it as well, I am all for GW boardgames as long as happen on dry land or in space. I just don't share the enthusiasm about the price to say the least, even when treated as some kind of elaborated, advanced starter with a boardgame as a bonus. Shield of Baal wasn't monopose and was cheaper, sure there was less models but fex and dread also warriors are elite and count as a whole box of marines.
The Contemptor certainly looks better when viewed from that angle. I may need to commandeer that Sergeant's(or whatever the Heresy era name was) chest piece for an Honour Guard Marine. Those plastic Tacticals look great. Definitely getting this set now. Possibly two.
Zuul wrote: So, I just heard from a redshirt that GW has produced 18,000 boxes for the cath rollout. Hopefully everyone who wants one can get one.
Kind of ties into what I heard from the manager of mine on Saturday, they said it was limited but they've produced "a lot" of sets. Said they'd anticipate still having stock by Christmas given how many sets had been produced for it so whilst it's limited, if you want one you'll be able to get one. I said I probably wouldn't be able to afford one until the end of January and they said that probably wouldn't be an issue in terms of there being stock left.
Space Hulk 3rd edition was rumoured to be something like 25,000 or 50,000, and the warehouse was sold out with Pre-Orders.
Just passing on the message - I'd be stunned if they haven't produced way more than the Space Hulk run though, they know this is going to be huge.
Come to think of it, all we need now are great coat guard, plastic thunderhawks and fishmen. Then all shall be fufilled and world peace shall be achieved.
nudibranch wrote: Come to think of it, all we need now are great coat guard, plastic thunderhawks and fishmen. Then all shall be fufilled and world peace shall be achieved.
nudibranch wrote: Come to think of it, all we need now are great coat guard, plastic thunderhawks and fishmen. Then all shall be fufilled and world peace shall be achieved.
nudibranch wrote: Come to think of it, all we need now are great coat guard, plastic thunderhawks and fishmen. Then all shall be fufilled and world peace shall be achieved.
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And now, seeing the plastic Contemptor right next to a resin one (blinged out Emperor's Children version), and I continue to think to myself, "What the feth is everyone's problem with it?"
Monopose? Okay, I can sympathize with that, but other than that? Not seeing why people act like it's terrible.
shade1313 wrote: And now, seeing the plastic Contemptor right next to a resin one (blinged out Emperor's Children version), and I continue to think to myself, "What the feth is everyone's problem with it?"
Monopose? Okay, I can sympathize with that, but other than that? Not seeing why people act like it's terrible.
Because people want a $15 plastic model to be superior to a 100$ Resin model. And a Pony, they want one of those too.
shade1313 wrote: And now, seeing the plastic Contemptor right next to a resin one (blinged out Emperor's Children version), and I continue to think to myself, "What the feth is everyone's problem with it?"
Monopose? Okay, I can sympathize with that, but other than that? Not seeing why people act like it's terrible.
Agreed. I love it, personally. Being plastic it should be fairly easy to convert into different poses too.
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WANT TO STAND OUT? In addition to having Horus Heresy – Betrayal at Calth a week earlier, we will be telling everyone that they can see the new game in your store! We will promote your store on a special Horus Heresy store finder on our website and we will be sending out an email newsletters to everyone, to tell everyone that you will be having Horus Heresy – Betrayal at Calth a week early!
Definitely sounds like this is going to be around for a while and not a limited thing then. They wouldn't be going to that much trouble for something they're expecting to sell out of that fast. And we can snigger at GW for what seems like pretty weak promo stuff but at least they're bothering, which is a pretty welcome change?
shade1313 wrote: And now, seeing the plastic Contemptor right next to a resin one (blinged out Emperor's Children version), and I continue to think to myself, "What the feth is everyone's problem with it?"
Monopose? Okay, I can sympathize with that, but other than that? Not seeing why people act like it's terrible.
Because people want a $15 plastic model to be superior to a 100$ Resin model. And a Pony, they want one of those too.
The more copies of Horus Heresy – Betrayal at Calth you buy, the more promotional support you receive!
5x Horus Heresy – Betrayal at Calth
A FREE Horus Heresy – Betrayal at Calth banner, so that you can announce to your customers that you sell the new game
15x Horus Heresy – Betrayal at Calth
A FREE demo copy of Horus Heresy – Betrayal at Calth, so that you can show off the product to your customers. You will also get the above
30x Horus Heresy – Betrayal at Calth
A FREE launch box with freebies to get your customers even more excited about this release. The launch box contains 50 wrist bands, 50 badges and lots stickers. You will also get the above.
70x Horus Heresy – Betrayal at Calth
Start demoing the new game a week before the release! You will receive two FREE copies of Horus Heresy – Betrayal at Calth, two launch packs and two banners a week before the release!
WANT TO STAND OUT? In addition to having Horus Heresy – Betrayal at Calth a week earlier, we will be telling everyone that they can see the new game in your store! We will promote your store on a special Horus Heresy store finder on our website and we will be sending out an email newsletters to everyone, to tell everyone that you will be having Horus Heresy – Betrayal at Calth a week early!
Definitely sounds like this is going to be around for a while and not a limited thing then. They wouldn't be going to that much trouble for something they're expecting to sell out of that fast. And we can snigger at GW for what seems like pretty weak promo stuff but at least they're bothering, which is a pretty welcome change?
Yep, it is great to see them at least trying, even if stickers and wristbands seem like a measly reward for 30 whole boxes.
I mean it may sell like hot cakes but after AoS, the assassin game, end times and the last space hulk release (oh, can't forget the dreadfleet box still gathering dust) I doubt my FLGS is going to go in for 15 of them
nudibranch wrote: Come to think of it, all we need now are great coat guard, plastic thunderhawks and fishmen. Then all shall be fufilled and world peace shall be achieved.
Could be, yes. It makes sense to switch to it. Works well 
