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Personally I will be hard pressed to see a difference between a GW and FW contemptor once painted up (apart from the pose in most cases).

Still I can understand the grumpy comments here;
People who like HH are usually detail nerds that like to knitpick on modellers missing the the odd detail on a backpack or bolters having the wrong kind of bobs next to the flips, and so forth.

If the FW team miss out on a detail, the whining is there too.
Not because they are negative and whiny, but because they actually care about details. We are talking old school modeling nerd pride here.
Would be strange to see them accept a lower standard with these.

 Bull0 wrote:
"This plastic starter box model isn't fully posable and suffers all the normal limitations of plastic!"

Just pointing out it is entirely possible and probably not that hard at all to make fully poseable plastic robot legs, GW just wants to keep it's larger plastic kits on as few sprues as possible to keep costs down.

rtb02 wrote:
I came here - 2 new pages of rumours, exciting I think to myself... I then read and find moany people who ultimately would whinge about anything. think it's time to leave dakka. At the end of the day guys it's toy soldiers. We're getting plastics of stuff previously available in resin. Enjoy it, buy it. If you don't, then don't. Don't whine on about the fact gw is giving us something great just because it is a bit monopose. Chin up you moany buggers!

Amen mon frere!

The set looks good to me. Never really been into marines, seem to be a xenos sympathiser. Anyway I'm looking forward to crushing some legionaries with my necrons. Primarchs fighting ctan would be interesting. My money is on ctan but I'm biased.... :-)

Wouldn't it be great if people actually read people's complaints rather than just assuming what they're saying and writing it off as just moaning for moanings sake?

People have different opinions on things. Some are negative. Get over it.

I'm not going to whine about the plastic contempt other than to mention GW have once again used a cupcake-esque skull decoration.
It's the one thing that looks really poor in plastic, yet they keep doing it.

Ive noticed the fact people will moan about the quick fit kits in these games but its something that has never bothered me at all. quick assemble, quick play.

as said I'm not going to buy the game but it has nothing to do with the models. it has everything to do with Me not wanting it.

GW does produce dud figures but even then the duds are still great sculpts even mr pumagor .

I can't be the only one that is still remembering that this is a board game not a general release model and that a Contemptor with the same equipment costs over half as much as this game will? That means, you are getting the whole complement of Marines and Terminators(fully customizable plastic kits, not snapfit) for roughly $55 (the Contemptor and its options come out to about $95). The bodies of the Marines alone(no weapons or accessories) is four times that price.

I think some of you need some perspective. Would it have been great if the Contemptor was fully poseable? Absolutely, but sacrifices have made to keep costs down. There is nowhere in the world you are going to be able to get two characters, thirty PA Marines, five Terminators, and a Dreadnought for $150.

My only complaint regarding the Contemptor is that it takes more work to make it compatible with the other Forgeworld arms. One must saw off the weapon parts to allow for a different weapon to be used. More of a pain in the butt than anything.

 Bull0 wrote:
"I'm in Australia and GW stuff is expensive here!"

Look at you there, trying to make that out as if it were nothing.

Ingrate.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:
"I'm in Australia and GW stuff is expensive here!"

Look at you there, trying to make that out as if it were nothing.

Ingrate.

Sadly, since this is GW not FW, this game is probably not a deal for you. You could probably buy all of the same stuff in resin and a Thunderhawk and still have lunch money left over.

Let's imagine there would be a three sprue, customizable kit with all the weapon options - presented in crystal clear pics of an upcoming White Dwarf - and people find out IT IS NOT PERFECTLY LIKE THE FW ONES.

Why should GW actually do that?

They get more money for the FW ones, production at least in small numbers should be a lot cheaper in resin. So why do they not offer 'better' kits than Forgeworld? FW will always be the pinnacle of GW's products because otherwise who would spend so much money for it?

The rage about a not so poseable Contemptor kit is not making sense. GW products will never outclass similiar ones from FW because it would end the existence of the latter.

Pointed out by some reliable rumormongers Forgeworld suffered by the loss of worldwide Games Days because that's how vulnerable they actually are. They needed these regular sales directly to their customers.

Where is the reason to further cut into FW sales if not to free some production capacity at FW to let them create top-notch but expensive models?

Getting angry about the GW stuff being lesser quality is that you are actually talking about the end of Forgeworld because it makes no sense that GW - the same company - would undercut the market FW tries to survive in.

Be happy that GW is not trying to wipe the floor with FW quality-wise. GW does clearly offer an (a bit) less detailed product than FW.

It makes sense to do that.

I thought there was going to be a pre-order for this on Halloween ?

With that being said, taking a year away from this hobby, this forum, and the gaming community, I notice things haven't changed. The taint of depression that overtakes so many young men in this hobby is a plague. It doesn't matter what GW does to improve the hobby experience, they could answer every small request: more this, more that, and yet I believe with all my heart that it would not make a difference. Every purchase they make will never fill the hole inside, happiness never acquired. And sadly they will never understand this.

I have much to be happy about and I don't project my life's problems, frustrations, and impotence into the machine of constant unhappiness.

I won't completely abandon this hobby, but I may just forget about trying to find anything useful in Dakka.

Preorder date will be next Saturday

There is lots of positivity here as well, in this thread just a few pages earlier

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:
"I'm in Australia and GW stuff is expensive here!"

Look at you there, trying to make that out as if it were nothing.

Ingrate.

Not at all, I just don't see how it's worth mentioning every single time GW release something new since everybody knows by now. We get it; it's unfair; we do sympathise.

Garukadon wrote:
I thought there was going to be a pre-order for this on Halloween ?

With that being said, taking a year away from this hobby, this forum, and the gaming community, I notice things haven't changed. The taint of depression that overtakes so many young men in this hobby is a plague. It doesn't matter what GW does to improve the hobby experience, they could answer every small request: more this, more that, and yet I believe with all my heart that it would not make a difference. Every purchase they make will never fill the hole inside, happiness never acquired. And sadly they will never understand this.

I have much to be happy about and I don't project my life's problems, frustrations, and impotence into the machine of constant unhappiness.

I won't completely abandon this hobby, but I may just forget about trying to find anything useful in Dakka.

People take it way too personally when someone doesn't find something as amazing as they do. The vast majority of this thread has been positive. My only disappointment is the Contemptor, that's it. Don't turn it into some 'pit of depression' or anything ridiculous, that's utterly hyperbolic. People are allowed to say they don't like something. What's the point in having a forum if everyone has the same opinion? You may as well just talk to yourself about it at that point.

If you need everyone else to like something to validate you liking it or whatever, that's your problem. If you like something why do you care if the odd person has something slightly negative to say about it?

I am a bit disappointed the tiles (most likely, given the hexes) aren't Space Hulk or Execution Force compatible.

Miniatures look fun. For rattling around in a board-game box, the Dread is probably the best of the bunch. I'm more worried about the small bits on some of the other minis, though nothing looks as fragile as the Execution Force Assassins, so I think it's a step up.

Be happy with the win.

Edited by RiTides - Rule #1 of Dakka is Be Polite

If you want an unmarked one by the FW, it's probably a good time to buy one as FW will most likely take their model down.
Me, I am getting this one:



so I could care less about the HH box. I am glad though, that some people are happy with the plastic deal.

The Alpha Legion Contemptor is awesome. I'm a massive fan of the Sons of Horus one too.

At first I thought the rooms are hex because of the actual architecture, and there would be smaller squares on them but it looks like there are not. So the experience from Space Hulk that 40mm and 60mm bases would not fit properly onto the old squares could have led to the new system. It was quite a problem if you put your SH Terminators onto 40mm bases to use them for 40k. You could hardly fit them next to each other on the tiles on the gameboard. This new system looks to me like the one in e.g. Deadzone allowing several smaller figures or up to one large to occupy an area. There are no measure sticks so the models will probably move around the hex squares only.

Warhams-77 wrote:
At first I thought the rooms are hex because of the actual architecture, and there would be smaller squares on them but it looks like there are not. So the experience from Space Hulk that 40mm and 60mm bases would not fit properly onto the old squares could have led to the new system. It was quite a problem if you put your SH Terminators onto 40mm bases to use them for 40k. You could hardly fit them next to each other on the tiles on the gameboard. This new system looks to me like the one in e.g. Deadzone allowing several smaller figures or up to one large to occupy an area. There are no measure sticks so the models will probably move around the hex squares only.

True. Seems to have a tiny bit of Deadzone (multiple minis per square) / Dreadball (hexes) vibe.

I wonder if we're seeing a bit of the ex-Mantic influence in the game design team here.

Could be, yes. It makes sense to switch to it. Works well imho.

Some comments on the last page are Way out of line - please remember that rule #1 on Dakka is Be Polite! It's OK to disagree... but it's not OK to insult others by doing so.

Any more unnecessarily aggressive comments will result in a short suspension from the site, so please take some time to write a polite disagreement if you want to discuss something here... thanks.

 Yaraton wrote:
If you want an unmarked one by the FW, it's probably a good time to buy one as FW will most likely take their model down.
Me, I am getting this one:



so I could care less about the HH box. I am glad though, that some people are happy with the plastic deal.

Thats actually really nice

I doubt Forge World will discontinue their Contemptors, not the Legion-specific ones at least. I mean the Chaos Dreads stayed for so many years, even after the hellbrute kit came out.

I will definitely get the Mhara Gal for my Word Bearers in addition to the boxset

Went and saw the marines in person today & they do look awesome.

The game itself is very similar to space hulk where you have actions points but seemed pretty dull. I was on the fence about getting one but seeing the lot in plastic, I'm definately excited to get one! That contenmptor is for sure getting some assault cannons.

Yeah I am excited for plastic 30k two. I'm going to get multiples just to fill out my ranks. Going to convert a squad to invictarii suzerain. It's $90 for 5 power armored marines from fw.

 Shadox wrote:
I doubt Forge World will discontinue their Contemptors, not the Legion-specific ones at least. I mean the Chaos Dreads stayed for so many years, even after the hellbrute kit came out.

I will definitely get the Mhara Gal for my Word Bearers in addition to the boxset

Well Heck, they have yet to get rid of any of their Regular Dreads.
We are fine. GW not gonna come to take you FW model and force you to use these.
The only time GW came to my house is when I mentioned squats.........gak

 ImAGeek wrote:
I know why the plastic one is a lower standard, but 1. It could easily have been just as posable as the FW one, so that's not down to a material limit, 2. The point still stands that it is lower quality, which some people might not be happy with, 3. Undercuts on the knees could have been fixed by having the knees a seperate part etc. So none of that is due to the shortcomings of plastic, it's down to shortcomings in the design of the sprue.

It's okay, I'm still going to buy a couple of boxes. But it could've been a lot better even in plastic, and it's rather dissapointing.

I agree, the sprues could have been made far better. Sliding molds might be more expensive, but certainly not astronomical. Just look at what Dreamforge and Maelstorm did. And the arguement that it's a starter kit is extremely strange because it would be the only sprue in the whole box that has that issue, the Terminators and the Tacticals are normal sprues, the special characters are also not that different from regular special characters. This isn't a DV or AoS starterbox release!

It isn't as good as it could be, which is a shame, but it's still infinitely better then the resin one because it is polystyrene plastic! I can assemble it without using toxic crap that makes me sick (have a nasty allergic reaction to super glue these days). Not even talking about costs, I can 5+ plastic ones for the price of a resin one through the boxed set deal... Yeah, I hate resin! ;-)

What I don't get is that people say that the proportions are off, that doesn't seem the way to me when you take perspective into account. Time will tell though when folks who'll have both measure the legs and torso.

Overall I'm seeing the Contemptor as a great way to do conversions to have alternative poses and magnetized arms.

As for details, I'm missing some rivets on the side of the legs and the front/back of the shoulders. That should be easily remedied with some plastic rivets. Either thin plastic rods or I need to spring for a rivet puncher (which I've been thinking about for a while now, this would be an excellent excuse).

 Fayric wrote:

We are talking old school modeling nerd pride here.

I think you and I have very different views on what old school modeling is exactly, have you seen the actual old Rogue Trader era GW models? I think it has more to do with a couple of compulsive disorders, I have a few of those (mold lines, drilling out barels, etc.)...

For me, buying 2 sets of this for $300, to fill out 60 marines. 2 dreads, 10 terminators, and a few Centurions, is massive. For 60 Mk IV Forgeworld marines(With no weapons) alone is $445. This opens up a lot of money to buy other awesome tanks and units.