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Post by: daemonish
Now I am a bit confused by this storm cast externals guessing game, isn't the book already out and any units missing from it would be in the upcoming release? Or did nobody buy the book? Or worse people bought it and everything that's in it has already been released which means a possible 2nd book already?
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Post by: Chikout
Your third guess is correct. The battletome does not contain anything about cavalry. It is a worrying scenario. The only slightly positive spin you could put on it, is that GW imagines the battletome to be vanilla Stormcast and that the new stuff will be the equivalent of Space Wolves, Blood Angels etc. This is a bit of a stretch though.
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Post by: usernamesareannoying
That's actually not that crazy of a thought chi.
I could easily see them to sub tomes for specific cells of stormcast.
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Post by: GiraffeX
In the Start Collecting! Skeleton Horde box do we now if all three Mortarch's will be included?
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Post by: Mymearan
Of course new stuff is going to be released even if a book is out, that's a given. The reason this new stuff wasn't in the book is because of the Chapterhouse case. Exact same reason why the Tyranid drop pod and other stuff wasn't in the codex even though they were finished back then. They will never again release rules before model, and the consequence is that books will never contain future releases.
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Post by: usernamesareannoying
 GiraffeX wrote:In the Start Collecting! Skeleton Horde box do we now if all three Mortarch's will be included?
one mortrarch kit that can build any of the 3 Mortarch's.
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Post by: Thunderfrog
With rules for a Arkhan formation.
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Post by: GiraffeX
usernamesareannoying wrote: GiraffeX wrote:In the Start Collecting! Skeleton Horde box do we now if all three Mortarch's will be included?
one mortrarch kit that can build any of the 3 Mortarch's.
Thunderfrog wrote:With rules for a Arkhan formation.
Cool thanks for that, I did assume it would be like that as its the same sprues but you never know 
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Post by: Kanluwen
GiraffeX wrote:usernamesareannoying wrote: GiraffeX wrote:In the Start Collecting! Skeleton Horde box do we now if all three Mortarch's will be included?
one mortrarch kit that can build any of the 3 Mortarch's.
Thunderfrog wrote:With rules for a Arkhan formation.
Cool thanks for that, I did assume it would be like that as its the same sprues but you never know
Putting it rather bluntly, yes. Yes you can know. That question has not been relevant for a long while.
GW doesn't cut multi-kit sprues to give you individual builds. It's a ton of extra work for no real reward, since they don't do bits sales anymore. The only time multi-kits will provide a single build is when the parts are restricted to specific sprues.
If all the parts for Arkhan and his mount were on a single sprue and didn't share any parts with Neferata or Mannfred? Yeah, maybe it would be just Arkhan's sprues. But they haven't done that in a long while.
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Post by: Infantrymike123
Does anyone have some leaks yet of the new stormcast stuff?
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Post by: Alpharius
If they did, they'd be in here already.
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Post by: NinthMusketeer
Chikout wrote:Your third guess is correct. The battletome does not contain anything about cavalry. It is a worrying scenario. The only slightly positive spin you could put on it, is that GW imagines the battletome to be vanilla Stormcast and that the new stuff will be the equivalent of Space Wolves, Blood Angels etc. This is a bit of a stretch though.
While I understand the frustration with buying the battletome that has everything stormcast only to have a new release come out later, the situation isn't as bad as it could be because the rules for said new release will be free. Still irritating to be sure, but at least stormcast players will get something new to play with.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Hmm... Plague Furnace and Plague Catapult. It's like they're de-emphasising the Screaming Bell and Warp Lightning Cannon aspects of those kits.
Interesting...
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Post by: Kanluwen
 H.B.M.C. wrote:Hmm... Plague Furnace and Plague Catapult. It's like they're de-emphasising the Screaming Bell and Warp Lightning Cannon aspects of those kits.
Interesting...
The "Start Collecting" sets tend to do that, since they have specific formations contained within.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Yeah but the individual boxes are doing that as well.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
But everything is focused on Pestilens lately, so I guess it makes sense to market the ktis as such, especially with the battle tome book coming out soon(ish).
On the other hand I doubt they'd go to the trouble of repacking everything Lightning focused if they did a Skryre focused book at some point. Maybe that's when the Doomwheels would get repacked...
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Post by: coldgaming
Yes, it makes sense from the Pestilens release schedule, but it's a bit curious from the overall marketing perspective, as you'd doubt they'd want to start making separate boxes for the different builds.
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Post by: ImAGeek
H.B.M.C. wrote:Hmm... Plague Furnace and Plague Catapult. It's like they're de-emphasising the Screaming Bell and Warp Lightning Cannon aspects of those kits.
Interesting...
The Verminlord is 'Verminlord Corruptor' now too.
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Post by: RoperPG
 NinthMusketeer wrote:Chikout wrote:Your third guess is correct. The battletome does not contain anything about cavalry. It is a worrying scenario. The only slightly positive spin you could put on it, is that GW imagines the battletome to be vanilla Stormcast and that the new stuff will be the equivalent of Space Wolves, Blood Angels etc. This is a bit of a stretch though.
While I understand the frustration with buying the battletome that has everything stormcast only to have a new release come out later, the situation isn't as bad as it could be because the rules for said new release will be free. Still irritating to be sure, but at least stormcast players will get something new to play with.
Also, with Tau (& SW I think?) recently, GW didn't do massive new books, they simply rejigged the book by adding the additional rules.
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Post by: BorderCountess
 ImAGeek wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:Hmm... Plague Furnace and Plague Catapult. It's like they're de-emphasising the Screaming Bell and Warp Lightning Cannon aspects of those kits.
Interesting...
The Verminlord is 'Verminlord Corruptor' now too.
The Corruptor is the Pestilens variant of Verminlord. The kit should still be able to make any of the various versions.
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Post by: ImAGeek
 Manfred von Drakken wrote: ImAGeek wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:Hmm... Plague Furnace and Plague Catapult. It's like they're de-emphasising the Screaming Bell and Warp Lightning Cannon aspects of those kits.
Interesting...
The Verminlord is 'Verminlord Corruptor' now too.
The Corruptor is the Pestilens variant of Verminlord. The kit should still be able to make any of the various versions.
Yeah, it does. I was just pointing out that they've done the same with the Verminlord as they have with the other two (made the Pestilens part the focus). It doesn't even matter, I was just pointing it out.
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Post by: AegisGrimm
I think it's because for some reason, in AoS, GW is obsessed with Chaos in the exact opposite extent to how they ignore it in 40k, so even Skaven got Chaos-ified.
Well, not really as pestilens was always a thing, but they sure do their damndest to downplay the more "normal" Moulder and Eshin sides of Skaven to new players.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I think they're playing around with the idea of 2 boxes with their dual kits, each showing a different build.
They've been doing it on the website for a while and I would not be surprised if doing so has resulted in more sales than depending on people (especially gift giving reletives who don't really know the game) reading the blurb on a single listing
I suspect they're now going to see if doing 2 separate boxes for the dual kits is going to pay for the extra production costs. Yes it's an extra SKU but they don't have to add both to the mandatory list for stockists and I suspect it might well work to increase sales (they'll also have spare space with the kits that drop out now AoS is well on the weay with reboxings)
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Post by: Bolognesus
It might be a different SKU for (web) order but just one box, flip it around and it now presents the 'other' SKU. Best of both worlds.
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Post by: antohammer
ehi guys on the cover of the realmgate wars the gates of azyr there is a stormcast eternal on a lizard....
https://www.games-workshop.com/it-IT/Age-Sigmar-Gates-Of-Azyr
...may that means they are realy preparing a lizard mounted unit for stormcast ?
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Post by: angelofvengeance
Nothing new there, that's Vandus Hammerhand, the Lord Celestant from the AoS box set.
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Post by: antohammer
oh sorry guys.... I had not recognized him... i was thinking it was something like a lizard/demigryph... ...sorry.... -___-
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Post by: Warhams-77
No worries  GW also does tease like this, so it wasnt in vain.
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Post by: zamerion
From archibald_tk (warseer)
Next WD for your viewing pleasure:
- Battletome Stormcast Eternals EXTREMIS (Because they're more extreme than poor regular Stormcast peasants? It's the 90s all over again!) 21€ / £15 / $25 / AU$ 99.999
88 pages, 2 battleplans, 4 battalions, 7 warscrolls ( so 2 more units than what is already in the WD, they refer to something called a Star Drake so your guess is as good as mine regarding what it will be)
- Dracothian Guards (2 mounted Stormcasts like the one in the AoS box) 55€ / £40 / $65 / AU$ your mortgage
- Knight-Heraldor (1 model) 19.5€ / £15 / $25 / AU$ a trained battle kangaroo
Yup, it's just an alternate model of the previous Heraldor. Rejoice trumpet lovers for that one has no chance of sticking his instrument in his eye!
- Tempest Lords upgrades pack 9€ / £7 / $12 / AU$ your firstborn
- Starter paint sets 28€ / £20 / $33 / AU$ your soul
3 Marines or 3 Stormcasts, with 8 mini pots and a brush. Very very costly for the content so not really designed as an entry tool for kids, it's more for parents looking for a present I suppose.
- Super Glue €7.5 / £5.25 / $8.75 / AU$ 15 (hey, it's actually the real price!)
A box of 5x0.5g of glue, for a mighty total of 2.5g... ... ... I... I... I do not... wut?
WD starts with a photo that I assume is supposed to wake up all those who still believe for some reason that AoS is a skirmish game. Now go buy 12 more Varanguards and 24 Dracothian Guards while you're at it *WHIPLASH*!
5 warscrolls inside the WD, actually one for the Lord Celestant on Dracoth and 4 for the Dracothian Guards that are actually just the 4 weapons options. Fulminators (glaives), Tempestors (not-bolters crossbow), Concussors (hammers) and Desolators (axes, which actually increase their number of attacks the more they are in the unit, 3 for 2, 4 for 4 and 6 for 6... now go buy more!)
Next week hints is something something Dracothion and Warriors of the Extremis Chambers.
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Post by: Haechi
Somebody on the french warhammer forum confirmed the darcoth cavalry as a multi kit that will allow you to equip them with either spears, crossbows, hammers, or axes as four different units. Pictures to come soon.
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Post by: Bottle
Haha those AU$ prices!
But, wow, another Stormcast battletome?!
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Post by: coldgaming
Wow, expected them to start subdividing the Stormcast but didn't expect it would be so soon. Cool anyway and looking forward to pics.
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Post by: Kanluwen
 Bottle wrote:Haha those AU$ prices!
But, wow, another Stormcast battletome?!
Pestilens are getting a book, despite being in the Grand Alliance: Chaos battletome.
Remember that the "Extremis Vault" is what Sigmar opened, bringing the Celestant-Prime into the fight.
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Post by: Zywus
Good to see the sigmarines are finally getting some releases. If there's one thing missing from AoS it's more golden dudes with weapon variations.
The bundle of 5 tiny glue bottles is a bit weird.
Back when I bought citadel brand super-glue, it usually dried before even half of it was used up due to faulty lid-design though, so I guess this might be a way to get more utility out of their glue.
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Post by: Mymearan
"Concussors" is a pretty funny name.
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Post by: AllSeeingSkink
zamerion wrote:- Knight-Heraldor (1 model) 19.5€ / £15 / $25 / AU$ a trained battle kangaroo
No body is getting my Old Red no matter how nice the model looks!
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Post by: Chikout
The mini glue bottles must have been made just for me. I only use super glue once a month or so, and it keeps drying up on me.
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Post by: Zywus
Chikout wrote:The mini glue bottles must have been made just for me. I only use super glue once a month or so, and it keeps drying up on me.
What brand do you use? Your problem probably isn't the frequency of use but the components of the glue or the design of the bottle.
I bought a 20g bottle of Gale Force Nine's super glue for about 10$, roughly 5 years ago (you can get it online for less than 5$). It has occasionally been lain dormant for several months between uses and still works as well as the day I bought it. (still have more than half of the glue left)
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Post by: Chikout
I am very bad at replacing tops securely on bottles. Ruined my wife's diary once by sticking a bottle of super glue to it. On topic the hint for the following week is Dracothion. Could we be seeing a model for the King of dragons? Surely it would be even bigger (and more expensive) than Archaon.
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Post by: Haechi
Chikout wrote: On topic the hint for the following week is Dracothion. Could we be seeing a model for the King of dragons? Surely it would be even bigger (and more expensive) than Archaon.
I don't think we would ever see Dracothion since he's a celestial being of gigantic proportions, but dracoth being half dragons of sort, we could maybe see a full Stormcast dragon.
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Post by: Vermis
zamerion wrote:
- Battletome Stormcast Eternals EXTREMIS (Because they're more extreme than poor regular Stormcast peasants? It's the 90s all over again!) 21€ / £15 / $25 / AU$ 99.999
88 pages, 2 battleplans, 4 battalions, 7 warscrolls ( so 2 more units than what is already in the WD
Strewth. Someone remind me how long ago the last Stormcast Battletome was released?
- Super Glue €7.5 / £5.25 / $8.75 / AU$ 15 (hey, it's actually the real price!)
A box of 5x0.5g of glue, for a mighty total of 2.5g... ... ... I... I... I do not... wut?
I expect it'll generate a lot of excitement for people who don't realise that pound shops are a thing.
Haechi wrote:I don't think we would ever see Dracothion since he's a celestial being of gigantic proportions, but dracoth being half dragons of sort, we could maybe see a full Stormcast dragon.
Seb Perbett Seb Perbett c'mooon Seb Perbett...
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Post by: Chikout
Pics are up on the French warhammer forum. Someone with better skills than me can transfer them over. First thought is that the riders look cool but the mounts are a little podgy. Second thought is what is that in the background?http://www.servimg.com/view/16186073/174
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Post by: Kanluwen
Chikout wrote:Pics are up on the French warhammer forum. Someone with better skills than me can transfer them over. First thought is that the riders look cool but the mounts are a little podgy. Second thought is what is that in the background?http://www.servimg.com/view/16186073/174
It would help to put a link to the French warhammer forum.  Cause as it stands you linked to a single image...
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Post by: Necros
For my gluing needs I use Testors plastic glue, but not the orange tube, I go for the more liquidy kind with the long needle applicator thingy. And for super glue I get Loctite gel super glue from Home Depot, it's real cheap and works great. The gel fills gaps good and you can cut/file it down when it hardens if you need to.
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Post by: Mymearan
I'm betting those will be Varanguard price. Also they look like the Lord Celestant with different weapons, not terribly exciting honestly.
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Post by: Haechi
Well it looks like I was right about the big dragon =O
It says in French: The Twin formations of Dracothian Guards and THE STAR DRAKE (on which we will come back to later)
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Post by: Kanluwen
Little early to call that a dragon, IMO. Definitely looks like one, but the wings also kinda look...artificial almost.
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Post by: coldgaming
I think they look cool, definitely pudgier than the starter box model though. Maybe these dracoths haven't seen enough battle/cardio action yet.
Looks like there's a Stormcast dragon kit.
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Post by: Necros
Drakoth riders look good, do we know what the scroll looks like yet (or did I miss it)? I'd prolly mix the fella from the starter set in to the unit and use something else for my leader, been wanting to get the celestant prime for a while now.
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Post by: Kanluwen
 Necros wrote:Drakoth riders look good, do we know what the scroll looks like yet (or did I miss it)? I'd prolly mix the fella from the starter set in to the unit and use something else for my leader, been wanting to get the celestant prime for a while now.
They're basically just the Paladins(Hammers, Axes, and Glaives) with the addition of hand crossbow/shields and swords guys.
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Post by: Vermis
Those look good. Somehow chunkier than the starter set version(?), but decent.
But since I've absolutely no use for sigmarite-armoured dragon-horses, at £20 each or otherwise, I'll pass. I'm more interested in a better look at that blurry thing with wings and gaping maw in the background.
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Post by: Hulksmash
I like the models mostly. Not 100% on the head of them. Looks a little like the old Lizardmen saurus cavalry heads.
I think the crossbow guys are my favorite though.
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Post by: Sidstyler
Ugh, I hate the naming conventions for these guys. They're pretty much all exactly the same, but give one a hammer instead of a spear and it suddenly becomes A NEW UNIT!
There's four different sets of rules for these guys and literally the only physical difference between the models is what weapon they're wielding in their right hand. Just seems asinine to me, like when they started calling Dark Elf warriors "bleakswords" or "darkshards" or whatever the crap just because you gave them a different weapon load-out.
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Post by: Do_I_Not_Like_That
I've had a lot of stick about being negative towards new models on this forum in past weeks 
but I can't be the only person who feels an overwhelming sense of meh at another variation of the golden guy?
The genestealer hybrids were very nice miniatures, but these are 3 steps backwards for the design ethos at GW.
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Post by: Kanluwen
I'm actually less bothered by these than the "main" Stormcast range.
These are, from what I can tell by translating, literally just the Paladins(Retributors->Concussants, Decimators->Desolators, and Protectors->Fulminators) mounted on Dracoths with the addition of a "jack of all trades" in the form of the Tempestors with crossbows, shields, and whatever they have slung on their backs(looks to be swords).
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Post by: Vermis
 Kanluwen wrote:Little early to call that a dragon, IMO. Definitely looks like one, but the wings also kinda look...artificial almost.
Archaon's dragon-mount-thingy had a similar thing going on with more fingers/struts than usual for dragon designs. Though this goes a bit further. Reminds me of some of DnD's metallic dragons.
What makes them look artificial in my eyes, is the old fantasy/painting trope of making the membranes a different colour to the fingers. The canvas colour here makes me think of the sails of chinese junks.
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Post by: Kanluwen
 Vermis wrote: Kanluwen wrote:Little early to call that a dragon, IMO. Definitely looks like one, but the wings also kinda look...artificial almost.
Archaon's dragon-mount-thingy had a similar thing going on with more fingers/struts than usual for dragon designs. Though this goes a bit further. Reminds me of some of DnD's 2000-07 metallic dragons.
What makes them look artificial in my eyes, is the old fantasy/painting trope of making the membranes a different colour to the fingers. The canvas colour here makes me think of the sails of chinese junks.
See, I was actually thinking that it might have been a kind of construct--I just moved the pictures over, didn't look. Missed the Star Drake. 
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Post by: Vermis
 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:I've had a lot of stick about being negative towards new models on this forum in past weeks
but I can't be the only person who feels an overwhelming sense of meh at another variation of the golden guy?
They're so meh I forgot they were there.
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Post by: Chikout
While the genestealer cult are extremely well designed, they look exactly as I imagined they would. The dracoth cavalry are not that special, but the dragon type thing in the background has definitely caught my attention. Incidentally it seems to have two different head options. Another nit picky point is that the different variants all have slightly different helmets as well as different weapons.
Probably the best thing thing about AOS is the potential for the unexpected. The results may end up being disappointing but I am excited by the fact that I don't really know what the Orruks or the Aelves will end up looking like.
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Post by: Vermis
Hulksmash wrote:I like the models mostly. Not 100% on the head of them. Looks a little like the old Lizardmen saurus cavalry heads.
The cold ones, or the saurus themselves? And which cold ones, 'cos... I don't see it, myself. 
Chikout wrote:The results may end up being disappointing but I am excited by the fact that I don't really know what the Orruks or the Aelves will end up looking like.
I can't disagree with that.
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Post by: Haechi
Being french and reading WD and Battletomes in both languages I can already tell you they didn't hire better writers for either the original creative work nor the translation. It's garbage literature.
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Post by: ImAGeek
Slightly disappointed with the Dracoth cav, but I'm looking forward to seeing the Star Drake properly.
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Post by: judgedoug
Holy crap, Dracoth cavalry are awesome! My credit card weeps a the three boxes I'll be buying. Damn you GW
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Post by: Chikout
Looking ahead. It seems that we will have these guys up for preorder on the 12th, the star drake on the 19th, the Khorne release on the 26th, and the the first of the Orruks on the 2nd of April. 30k stuff is apparently coming in May followed by the Cult Mechanicus.
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Post by: Necros
30K stuff? Like what? That might make me not buy these drakoth riders... but a bigger dragon might be tough to resist.
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Post by: Chikout
The 30k stuff will probably just be the minis from the BAC box as Hastings mentioned a long time ago.
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Post by: grumpy_newenglander
Stormcast cavalry looks awesome, any idea what the price will come in at? Picked up a box of Skullcrushers for $100, guessing it'll probably be similar.
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Post by: Chikout
It is £40 for 2 the same price per model as the Varanguard.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
I'm one of those guys who loves the Stormcast aesthetic, but definitely not their prices...
Any idea if there will be a Get Started bundle?
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Post by: Haechi
Probably at some point, but who knows what will be in it...
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Post by: Binabik15
I like the starter set Dracoth. Varandus Hammerhand or something? He looks cool, if ridiculous. I just did a comparison, he's taking up almost as much space as the front rank of a 5-wide Orc regiment and he's taller than the standard I don't like the feet of the Dracoth, but it was "free" with AoS, so I'm not complaining.
However, as with the whole Sigmarine range, the size is only working when contrasted to a smaller humanoid to put it in relation, IMO. Wow, this guys is almost twice as tall as my knight, he must be super strong and important. Good. Wow, this unit of 4 guys takes up so much space, but they all look alike, must be a Playmobil scale game. Bad. For such expensive and LARGE models that display every detail even on the table they seem to lack meaningful posability and visual differences between similiar weapon choices.
A pass for me, I have as second guy on Dracoth from AoS already (and he only cost me 10€ or so). I think I will turn that into the biggest, meanest demigryph to ever live over a second gold guy on dragon thing, though.
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Post by: MongooseMatt
Why has no one done this miniature?
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
The dragon in the artwork doesn't seem like it's the same as the stuff in the background.
The wing design/ patterns of whatever is lurking there in the background makes me think short necked- wyverns for some odd reason. Thing in the artwork looks like a full on long- necked dragon.
Course I could be totally worng, based on blurry leaked photos.
A bit indifferent about the actual Dracolith cavalry. Wish their armor was a bit more embellished than the rank and file Stormcast. I'd grab some if I can come across some cheap ones.
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Post by: coldgaming
The blurry dragon reminds me a lot of the Terrorgheist, at least in pose.
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Post by: judgedoug
March 19 releases, US dollars
White Dwarf 112 4
BT: Stormcast Eternals Extremis HB Eng 35
How To Paint: Stormcast Eternals Eng 10
Stormcast Eternals + Paint Set 33
Space Marines + Paint Set 33
Stormcast Eternals Tempest Lords Upgrades 12
Stormcast Eternals Dracothian Guard 65
Stormcast Eternals Knight Heraldor 25
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Post by: angelofvengeance
45 quid for 2 dracothian guard? Hello FLGS... £36 is more like it!
Definitely going to pass on the Extremis book.
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Post by: VeteranNoob
Bottle wrote:Haha those AU$ prices!
But, wow, another Stormcast battletome?!
Indeed! I love this format when the guys includes AUS $$
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Post by: streetsamurai
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:I've had a lot of stick about being negative towards new models on this forum in past weeks
but I can't be the only person who feels an overwhelming sense of meh at another variation of the golden guy?
The genestealer hybrids were very nice miniatures, but these are 3 steps backwards for the design ethos at GW.
Nah. i feel exactly as you do. These guys gives me a deja-vu feeling. Exactly what AOS needed to create excitement. Yet another kit that look exactly the same as a mini in the starter box
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Post by: Frankenberry
Aw yeah, more Stormcast stuff, I'm stoked.
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Post by: Mr Morden
Those mounts are very..........chubby........
Guess GW likes em big, likes em round..........
Head also seems small compared to the body.
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Post by: daemonish
 daemonish wrote:Now I am a bit confused by this storm cast externals guessing game, isn't the book already out and any units missing from it would be in the upcoming release? Or did nobody buy the book? Or worse people bought it and everything that's in it has already been released which means a possible 2nd book already?
So 2 books huh, not keen on the faction but they are a versatile Kit by the looks of it. Really looking forward to them actually updating some of the other factions I think there could be some amazing kits if they decide to step away from chaos and stormcast for a while. (yes I know fyre slayers but that was a tiny release)
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Post by: ImAGeek
 angelofvengeance wrote:45 quid for 2 dracothian guard? Hello FLGS... £36 is more like it!
Definitely going to pass on the Extremis book.
£40 for two I think it is. Not much different but every little helps.
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Post by: Frankenberry
Honestly I'd really like Bretonnia to get the AoS treatment what with all of their kits slowly going away.
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Post by: streetsamurai
Chikout wrote:
Probably the best thing thing about AOS is the potential for the unexpected. The results may end up being disappointing but I am excited by the fact that I don't really know what the Orruks or the Aelves will end up looking like.
Well, they better tap into that potential asap, cause since its release, we havent seen much originality from AOS
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Post by: Sqorgar
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:I've had a lot of stick about being negative towards new models on this forum in past weeks
but I can't be the only person who feels an overwhelming sense of meh at another variation of the golden guy?
The genestealer hybrids were very nice miniatures, but these are 3 steps backwards for the design ethos at GW.
You had to know these were coming. There are several models from the starter box that haven't had releases yet (Lord Relictor, Korgorath, Blood Stoker, Blood Secrator, Mighty Lord of Khorne) that we will almost certainly see some release in some form in the near future. As a huge fan of the Stormcast aesthetic, the Lord Celestant on Dracoth is my favorite model in the starter kit, and easily my favorite painting experience thus far with AoS. It's great that they are making more of these. I admit that AoS could use some fleshing out in the other races, but they've had these designs done for a year and it's about time they released them outside the starter set. I'm really hoping for some Korgoraths as well.
Also, I like the Stormcast. I expect, due to them being the centerpiece of Age of Sigmar, we'll continue to see more variations on the Stormcast units and their chambers, and I, for one, am thrilled. Bring on more golden guys, I say.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
A box of Dracolith riders will also give you a nice chunk of extra weapons to kit out your vanilla Stormcast Eternals as well.
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Post by: Bottle
Those kits are quite ugly in my opinion. But I'm not a fan of the Stormcast aesthetic at all. I find the crossbows confusing too. Are the single handed pistols? How do they reload whilst carrying the shields?
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Post by: judgedoug
 streetsamurai wrote:Chikout wrote:
Probably the best thing thing about AOS is the potential for the unexpected. The results may end up being disappointing but I am excited by the fact that I don't really know what the Orruks or the Aelves will end up looking like.
Well, they better tap into that potential asap, cause since its release, we havent seen much originality from AOS
You must have missed
all of the fiction
all of the new models
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Post by: streetsamurai
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 judgedoug wrote: streetsamurai wrote:Chikout wrote:
Probably the best thing thing about AOS is the potential for the unexpected. The results may end up being disappointing but I am excited by the fact that I don't really know what the Orruks or the Aelves will end up looking like.
Well, they better tap into that potential asap, cause since its release, we havent seen much originality from AOS
You must have missed
all of the fiction
all of the new models
No for the models, the vast majority of them have been kits of the guys in the starter set. Even the fyrslayer release was pretty boring, since pretty much all models were similar, only with a new weapon. The varanguards and tzeentch arcanist were very good though. As for the fiction, Ill admit that reading the first few pages of the first book was more than enough.
The dragon in the backgroud look though, i think they should have released it before the dracoth cavalry
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Post by: Manchu
Friendly reminder #5649: From my OP:  Manchu wrote:NOTE: This thread is for discussing new AoS releases. It is not for discussing AoS or GW generally. Rule Number Two is Stay On Topic.
There are dozens of threads about whether/why Poster X loves/hates AoS. This is not that thread. Feel free to join that debate in the AoS subforum. Thanks!
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Post by: judgedoug
Edited by Moderator, see above.
And back to the new AoS releases, I'm glad that AoS has been supported with such an uninterrupted steady release of new models and new fiction - more than any other GW release I have witnessed in 22 years being "in the hobby".
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Post by: Vermis
 Sqorgar wrote:we'll continue to see more variations on the Stormcast units and their chambers, and I, for one, am thrilled. Bring on more golden guys, I say.
I have to say, I found it more honest when GW just called their models, for example, 'bretonnian knight with lance', 'bretonnian knight with great weapon', 'bretonnian knight with sword and shield' etc.
Manchu wrote:There are dozens of threads about whether/why Poster X loves/hates AoS. This is not that thread. Feel free to join that debate in the AoS subforum. Thanks!
Okily-dokily.
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Post by: unmercifulconker
Dayuuuuum I cant wait to see the big drake. I love the artwork for Stormcasts but I always feel slightly underwhelmed by how the models with a very samey pose look on the table. The shots with the drake cav just look like one model copied and pasted.
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Post by: Sarouan
Aaaah my Stormcast cavalry at last! Good, good. I didn't expect the knight with hand crossbow but since it's just one of many options, that's fine.
They're quite similar to the character in Starter box. I find them good enough.
So, it's a box of two, heh? Why not. Will take three, anyway.
Now I'm waiting for their big brother to come...
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Post by: Red_Zeke
A new Heraldor is just... weird. Even our local AoS loyalists are dismayed at more Stormcast attention when question marks still hang over Order (and to a lesser extent, destruction).
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Post by: RiTides
 unmercifulconker wrote:Dayuuuuum I cant wait to see the big drake. I love the artwork for Stormcasts but I always feel slightly underwhelmed by how the models with a very samey pose look on the table. The shots with the drake cav just look like one model copied and pasted.
Agreed - I love the art for the big model but I hope it doesn't look as "same-y" as these.
The focus on Stormcasts really has left me cold for AoS... I hope they look at making some new models for other races soon.
Edit: Ninja'ed by Red_Zeke, you said it better than I could!
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Post by: Necros
I was (and maybe still am) planning to use Empire demigryph knights for my stormcast cavalry.. I was planning to save some extra stormcast heads to put on em too. But, I'll probably end up going with a box of the drakoths and mix in the guy from the starter set for a unit of 3.
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Post by: streetsamurai
 Red_Zeke wrote:A new Heraldor is just... weird. Even our local AoS loyalists are dismayed at more Stormcast attention when question marks still hang over Order (and to a lesser extent, destruction).
Have we seen pics of this new heraldor?
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Post by: ImAGeek
Yeah:
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Post by: angelofvengeance
Yay! He's not poking himself in the eye!
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
I'm liking the new Heraldor but I'm wondering why we need another one so soon.
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Post by: streetsamurai
Same here. He is much better than the other one, but its a weird decision to release another one so soon, especially considering that they are so similar
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Post by: angelofvengeance
That's like asking why Space Marines need a new Captain model.
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Post by: insaniak
So, the cavalry guys look pretty cool... But :
'Fulminators'
'Desolators'
'Concussors'
Good grief.
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Post by: Kilkrazy
£20 for a single 28mm cavalry figure sounds like good value.
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Post by: GoatboyBeta
The all gold color scheme looks good in person but it just does not photograph well. That said the knights do look good and I'm interested to see if there weapons differ from the Paladin versions.
The 2nd Heraldor is an odd one as he has exactly the same equipment as the first, especially as the Lord celestant option for the knights has a different weapon to the starter box version. A different weapon or instrument might tempt me but as just an alternate pose he's a pass.
The artwork and blurry background pics of the big Dragon for the week after look promising and hopefully there's a non starter Lord relictor on the way as well.
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Post by: Joyboozer
Why more trumpet when it's obvious what the Stormcast need is more cowbell?
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Post by: Bottle
The lower half of the new Heraldor is just a CAD reverse of the first one too
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Post by: VeteranNoob
Anyone know what's in the paint sets in this week's leak?
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Post by: Mymearan
 insaniak wrote:So, the cavalry guys look pretty cool... But :
'Fulminators'
'Desolators'
' Concussors'
Good grief.
Soon they'll be all out of -orz.
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Post by: unmercifulconker
 Mymearan wrote: insaniak wrote:So, the cavalry guys look pretty cool... But :
'Fulminators'
'Desolators'
' Concussors'
Good grief.
Soon they'll be all out of -orz.
Those in charge of maintaining the Drake stables have the prestigious title of Defecators.
I just wish they had different poses. The Varangaurd all look like individuals. You can customise these Drakes by choosing which front paw to raise.
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Post by: 455_PWR
So Stormcast Eternals are filly getting:
Monster (dragon with rider - awesome!)
Cavalry (for that fast moving but durable punch)
Now all we need is some sort of wizard and we will be well rounded.
Is there any talk of a limited edition book or has that hone away now?
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Post by: Abadabadoobaddon
insaniak wrote:So, the cavalry guys look pretty cool... But :
'Fulminators'
'Desolators'
' Concussors'
Good grief.
Could have been worse. We could have had Crossbowzors.
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Post by: RoperPG
 Abadabadoobaddon wrote: insaniak wrote:So, the cavalry guys look pretty cool... But :
'Fulminators'
'Desolators'
' Concussors'
Good grief.
Could have been worse. We could have had Crossbowzors.
I was hoping for a dragon-based polo team (i.e. ma- hoosive hammers) so I'm happy there, but the guys with the crossbows just really appeal. I mean c'mon, outrider tanks? EEEE!
The new Heraldor is a bit of a head-scratcher, but I kinda see the idea - the original is pretty static, this one looks like he's actually leading a charge or something.
The new upgrade set is terrible though. The paint job doesn't really do it justice, but the radiating lines around the hammer head just make it look cartoonish.
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Post by: mdauben
 VeteranNoob wrote:Yeah, I agree. I'm not sure what it would be called so I just wrote Wyvern.
Based on the releases to date, tt will probably be a Savage Wyrme ridden by a Savage Oruck Savager, wielding a Savage Axxe, who will lead the Savage Orucks riding Savage Pyges waving their Savage Slissers.
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Post by: RoperPG
 mdauben wrote:
Based on the releases to date, tt will probably be a Savage Wyrme ridden by a Savage Oruck Savager, wielding a Savage Axxe, who will lead the Savage Orucks riding Savage Pyges waving their Savage SlYssers.
Fixed that for you.
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Post by: Uriels_Flame
Just make the heralds instrument a weapon and save some plastic.
He's not going to be swinging the sword and playing the trumpet at the same time...
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Post by: angelofvengeance
https://www.instagram.com/age_of_sigmar/ Some closer pics of the Dracoth Knights here. Liking them crossbow guys more with those swords sheathed on their backs! **Edit: I don't know how to embed these images.. won't let me get the image address!
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Post by: Kilkrazy
Mymearan wrote: insaniak wrote:So, the cavalry guys look pretty cool... But :
'Fulminators'
'Desolators'
' Concussors'
Good grief.
Soon they'll be all out of -orz.
There are over 300 words in English that end in -or, without inventing Fantasy versions.
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Post by: insaniak
 Kilkrazy wrote:There are over 300 words in English that end in -or, without inventing Fantasy versions.
Well, yeah... but anybody can use those words. The key is to take a word that doesn't have an -or on the end of it (preferably a word to do with hitting something or exploding) and slap one on there for a totally unique and characterful (and most importantly trademarkeablename.
Hanging out for the release of Stormcast Wallopors, Fisticuffors, Spankors and the elite Earth-Shattering-Kaboomors.
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Post by: AegisGrimm
Must....copyright...everything.
How hard is it to have a single profile for Dracolith Knights with listings for frigging spears, crossbows, and battleaxes and warhammers?
It's like having a Space Marine Assault squad with "chainsworders", "plasma-pistolers", " power axers", etc. Devastators could have Lascannoners, missilers, etc.
Will an orruks have stabbas and choppas as unit names for units that use that weapon?
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Post by: DarkBlack
The same could be said for all the new stormcast.
A chariot would have been nice, but the the cavalry look to be almost as big and expensive a chariot a kit.
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Post by: Ashiraya
insaniak wrote: Kilkrazy wrote:There are over 300 words in English that end in -or, without inventing Fantasy versions.
Well, yeah... but anybody can use those words. The key is to take a word that doesn't have an -or on the end of it (preferably a word to do with hitting something or exploding) and slap one on there for a totally unique and characterful (and most importantly trademarkeablename.
Hanging out for the release of Stormcast Wallopors, Fisticuffors, Spankors and the elite Earth-Shattering-Kaboomors.
I think the Concussors just beat the Bloodsecrator in the 'dumbest name I have ever seen' contest.
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Post by: Ghaz
 DarkBlack wrote:
The same could be said for all the new stormcast.
A chariot would have been nice, but the the cavalry look to be almost as big and expensive a chariot a kit.
A chariot pulled by a pair of dracoth (dracoths? dracothi?) would be as large as the old Empire War Wagon 
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Post by: insaniak
 AegisGrimm wrote:It's like having a Space Marine Assault squad with "chainsworders", ...
Surely you mean 'chaynswordors'...?
Seriously, though, I think that having a separate name for each unit option isn't necessarily a bad thing, particularly if each of those options has a different unit card... It's essentially what Warmachine has done right from the start (most of the Jacks are just different variants of the same thing with different weapons, after all) and helps reduce the amount of information you have to put on each unit card, while still being able to tell the different units apart easily.
The issue for me isn't with them all having different names, just with those names being stupid.
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Post by: NinthMusketeer
It wouldn't be quite as bad if the names actually did anything to prevent 3rd-party companies from doing counts-as or extra parts, but it doesn't. The futility of GWs measure is what really puts the names on another level of dumb for me. Names aside, I like the new stormcast cavalry, they look like a solid addition to the line. I wouldn't consider getting them at that price, but my sentiment is shared among many of GW's new models these days.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
It's no worse than grabbing a historical name or term (or something in a different language) and slapping that on a unit even though it doesn't fit very well
we're just not used to the former and very used to the latter
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Post by: Kanluwen
AegisGrimm wrote:Must....copyright...everything.
How hard is it to have a single profile for Dracolith Knights with listings for frigging spears, crossbows, and battleaxes and warhammers?
It's like having a Space Marine Assault squad with "chainsworders", "plasma-pistolers", " power axers", etc. Devastators could have Lascannoners, missilers, etc.
Will an orruks have stabbas and choppas as unit names for units that use that weapon?
When we're talking about a pair of weapon options and the special rules associated with those weapons? It's not a huge deal. But when those weapons have two or three lines of rules associated with them, it becomes absurdly bloated.
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Post by: Vermis
insaniak wrote:
Well, yeah... but anybody can use those words. The key is to take a word that doesn't have an -or on the end of it (preferably a word to do with hitting something or exploding) and slap one on there for a totally unique and characterful (and most importantly trademarkeablename.
Hanging out for the release of Stormcast Wallopors, Fisticuffors, Spankors and the elite Earth-Shattering-Kaboomors.
Why do I think of Dial M for Monkey all of a sudden?
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Post by: Chikout
AegisGrimm wrote:Must....copyright...everything.
How hard is it to have a single profile for Dracolith Knights with listings for frigging spears, crossbows, and battleaxes and warhammers?
It's like having a Space Marine Assault squad with "chainsworders", "plasma-pistolers", " power axers", etc. Devastators could have Lascannoners, missilers, etc.
Will an orruks have stabbas and choppas as unit names for units that use that weapon?
You mean like Dwarf quarrelers or thunderers. Empire handgunners or crossbowmen. I will agree that the names are a liitle stupid (tiktaq'to still holds the stupid crown though) but this kind of naming convention has been around for a LONG time. It smacks of people using any excuse to attack AOS once again.
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Post by: kronk
Kilkrazy wrote: Mymearan wrote: insaniak wrote:So, the cavalry guys look pretty cool... But :
'Fulminators'
'Desolators'
' Concussors'
Good grief.
Soon they'll be all out of -orz.
There are over 300 words in English that end in -or, without inventing Fantasy versions.
Exaggerator!  Automatically Appended Next Post: Joyboozer wrote:Why more trumpet when it's obvious what the Stormcast need is more cowbell?
This man gets it!
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Post by: AegisGrimm
Chikout wrote: AegisGrimm wrote:Must....copyright...everything.
How hard is it to have a single profile for Dracolith Knights with listings for frigging spears, crossbows, and battleaxes and warhammers?
It's like having a Space Marine Assault squad with "chainsworders", "plasma-pistolers", " power axers", etc. Devastators could have Lascannoners, missilers, etc.
Will an orruks have stabbas and choppas as unit names for units that use that weapon?
You mean like Dwarf quarrelers or thunderers. Empire handgunners or crossbowmen. I will agree that the names are a liitle stupid (tiktaq'to still holds the stupid crown though) but this kind of naming convention has been around for a LONG time. It smacks of people using any excuse to attack AOS once again.
I actually like the Stormcast, if not anything else about why AoS exists. But this super-comic bookish naming is getting insane. I mean...Extremis? Where's Tony Stark when you need him......
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Post by: Plumbumbarum
Kaboomors lol... I say Derpcast Derpdederperz, Age of Derp.
Lord Kaboomor on Derpoth, best of both worlds heh.
Anyway Dracoths are fat, which kind of fits the fat sigmarines. Terrible models, bloated like World of Warcraft ingame ones. It's weird because starter dracoth looked kinda ok.
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Post by: angelofvengeance
Plumbumbarum wrote:Kaboomors lol... I say Derpcast Derpdederperz, Age of Derp.
Lord Kaboomor on Derpoth, best of both worlds heh.
Anyway Dracoths are fat, which kind of fits the fat sigmarines. Terrible models, bloated like World of Warcraft ingame ones. It's weird because starter dracoth looked kinda ok.
Honestly, I don't get why you keep visiting this thread. You really don't add anything worthwhile to the discussion.
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Post by: RoperPG
angelofvengeance wrote:Plumbumbarum wrote:Kaboomors lol... I say Derpcast Derpdederperz, Age of Derp.
Lord Kaboomor on Derpoth, best of both worlds heh.
Anyway Dracoths are fat, which kind of fits the fat sigmarines. Terrible models, bloated like World of Warcraft ingame ones. It's weird because starter dracoth looked kinda ok.
Honestly, I don't get why you keep visiting this thread. You really don't add anything worthwhile to the discussion.
You're forgetting the exchange rate - 1 Derp = 1.2 internet points...
More I see the crossbow guys, the more I like them - and being so "fat", there's more to love. Real Dracoths have curves, etc.
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Post by: insaniak
Plumbumbarum wrote:
Anyway Dracoths are fat, which kind of fits the fat sigmarines. Terrible models, bloated like World of Warcraft ingame ones. It's weird because starter dracoth looked kinda ok.
Not sure which models you're looking at. They look the same to me.
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Post by: Gallahad
I can really get into the drama of a story about faceless super warriors who never really die sitting around the ol' Azyr barracks swapping stories about great battles they don't really remember being in. Sometimes, a couple of the more rascally Stormcast Brethren probably totally trick the Lord Castellant and make the Heraldor want to poke his own eyeballs out with his trumpetor when they switch weapons and without anybody noticing. Like, a Liberator just straight up picking up a Thunderaxe, and fighting with a unit of Retributors for a week or two. I bet you that Prosecutors are total jerks and never share anything.
Seriously, the Dracoth things look cool, but like the rest of the AOS releases, they are firmly in the intersection of "too big to scale with things I already own" and "too pricey." At a certain level of chunk, they just look like toys to me.
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Post by: Plumbumbarum
angelofvengeance wrote:Plumbumbarum wrote:Kaboomors lol... I say Derpcast Derpdederperz, Age of Derp.
Lord Kaboomor on Derpoth, best of both worlds heh.
Anyway Dracoths are fat, which kind of fits the fat sigmarines. Terrible models, bloated like World of Warcraft ingame ones. It's weird because starter dracoth looked kinda ok.
Honestly, I don't get why you keep visiting this thread. You really don't add anything worthwhile to the discussion.
If I wasn't here, I'd have missed on Necrosphinx and Sepulchral Stalkers which I always wanted so yeah I have to be around in case GW axes Chaos Knights or 20 other classic kits I want but don't have yet.
Also I'm curious about this, how it will end, it's so bad. A TT equivalent of Britney Spears going more and more crazy on TV.
My opinion about the models is as worthwhile as yours. It's not my fault that it's the worst wave of models from GW in years and that they are aping videogames now. Went from being an inspiration to ripping off dulled and cartoonish ripoffs of their own worlds and designs.
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Post by: Haechi
 Gallahad wrote:I can really get into the drama of a story about faceless super warriors who never really die sitting around the ol' Azyr barracks swapping stories about great battles they don't really remember being in. Sometimes, a couple of the more rascally Stormcast Brethren probably totally trick the Lord Castellant and make the Heraldor want to poke his own eyeballs out with his trumpetor when they switch weapons and without anybody noticing. Like, a Liberator just straight up picking up a Thunderaxe, and fighting with a unit of Retributors for a week or two. I bet you that Prosecutors are total jerks and never share anything.
Finally a con AoS arguement that made me laugh haha. Personally I don't hate the way SE look but the lore is definitely lacking.
I also do find the SE names ridiculous... But I find it very hypocritical to mention. I mean, Devastators, Terminators, Crusaders, Redeemers, Predators, Vindicators, Ravagers, Raiders, Reavers, Defilers, Obliterators, Mutilators, etc. Nothing new under the sun guys.
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Post by: Plumbumbarum
insaniak wrote:Plumbumbarum wrote:
Anyway Dracoths are fat, which kind of fits the fat sigmarines. Terrible models, bloated like World of Warcraft ingame ones. It's weird because starter dracoth looked kinda ok.
Not sure which models you're looking at. They look the same to me.
I've only seen starter Dracoth from one angle so maybe that's it, idk. They look bad on the recent picture.
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Post by: Waaargh
Those concussors looks fine and the cavalry hammers makes sense to me. If they follow the rules for retributors and lightning hammers they'll have quite the punch too.
And I am sorry to say (for some), but the tempestors looks mighty fine. I dont know if they work in the game, but if I was assembling just one of the sigmarites I'd give him the crossbow.
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Post by: Sarouan
Well, yeah, it's just a change of weapons for the miniatures and 4 different profiles. So what? That's how Age of Sigmar works, anyway. And GW must find something to write for the rules in the new Battletome, right?
Sure, you can say this is just some money grabbing, but that's how GW works now. They will make a new book for the new miniatures/profiles if they aren't covered in another. Hell, even if they are, they will still do it because fluff/campaign.
So yeah, Age of Sigmar will be swarmed by books and profiles, even if it means making several books for what is basically the same army. Exactly like 40k. Deal with it and take only what suits you. You don't have to play GW games as well, anyway.
I'm just happy to have my Stormcast heavy cavalry. They will be perfect in my collection and will be great ogre chariots count-as for Kings of War.
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Post by: motski
 Sarouan wrote:Well, yeah, it's just a change of weapons for the miniatures and 4 different profiles. So what? That's how Age of Sigmar works, anyway. And GW must find something to write for the rules in the new Battletome, right?
Sure, you can say this is just some money grabbing, but that's how GW works now. They will make a new book for the new miniatures/profiles if they aren't covered in another. Hell, even if they are, they will still do it because fluff/campaign.
So yeah, Age of Sigmar will be swarmed by books and profiles, even if it means making several books for what is basically the same army. Exactly like 40k. Deal with it and take only what suits you. You don't have to play GW games as well, anyway.
I'm just happy to have my Stormcast heavy cavalry. They will be perfect in my collection and will be great ogre chariots count-as for Kings of War.
Your whine might carry a little weight if you actually had to buy the new battletome to get the rules.
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Post by: Mymearan
Sarouan wrote:Well, yeah, it's just a change of weapons for the miniatures and 4 different profiles. So what? That's how Age of Sigmar works, anyway. And GW must find something to write for the rules in the new Battletome, right?
Sure, you can say this is just some money grabbing, but that's how GW works now. They will make a new book for the new miniatures/profiles if they aren't covered in another. Hell, even if they are, they will still do it because fluff/campaign.
So yeah, Age of Sigmar will be swarmed by books and profiles, even if it means making several books for what is basically the same army. Exactly like 40k. Deal with it and take only what suits you. You don't have to play GW games as well, anyway.
I'm just happy to have my Stormcast heavy cavalry. They will be perfect in my collection and will be great ogre chariots count-as for Kings of War.
Nice thing about AoS is that you can just ignore the books and get the rules for free, so it's not quite like 40k (although they have been getting most new rules out there via White Dwarf lately).
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Post by: Sarouan
motski wrote: Sarouan wrote:Well, yeah, it's just a change of weapons for the miniatures and 4 different profiles. So what? That's how Age of Sigmar works, anyway. And GW must find something to write for the rules in the new Battletome, right?
Sure, you can say this is just some money grabbing, but that's how GW works now. They will make a new book for the new miniatures/profiles if they aren't covered in another. Hell, even if they are, they will still do it because fluff/campaign.
So yeah, Age of Sigmar will be swarmed by books and profiles, even if it means making several books for what is basically the same army. Exactly like 40k. Deal with it and take only what suits you. You don't have to play GW games as well, anyway.
I'm just happy to have my Stormcast heavy cavalry. They will be perfect in my collection and will be great ogre chariots count-as for Kings of War.
Your whine might carry a little weight if you actually had to buy the new battletome to get the rules.
What whine? I'm glad to see these new miniatures and I intend to buy them. If I take the book, it will just be for the nice pictures and the fluff - rules will be in the boxes, anyway.
Read posts before answering at random.
Mymearan wrote:
Nice thing about AoS is that you can just ignore the books and get the rules for free, so it's not quite like 40k (although they have been getting most new rules out there via White Dwarf lately).
Oh yes, it's exactly like 40k - since books don't just have rules, they also have all the fluff and nice pictures inside. The nice touch in AoS is that indeed you don't need the books to play. For both games, you still have a hell of book collection in the end. Not really planet friendly but hey, gotta collect them all if you're a true fanboy.
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Post by: Kilkrazy
GW have to make a lot of new units in order to validate the AoS business model in which people will buy smaller but more expensive collections of figures to replace their existing WHFB armies, or simply as newcomers buy AoS model armies that need to exceed the revenue per customer of the now-missing WHFB players..
Minor changes in a stat line, or a new special rule, or a variation on it, are how a new unit is created.
I think the way the rules work, this is how it has to be done. Players who like the rules naturally will like these variant units.
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Post by: AllSeeingSkink
Kilkrazy wrote:GW have to make a lot of new units in order to validate the AoS business model in which people will buy smaller but more expensive collections of figures to replace their existing WHFB armies, or simply as newcomers buy AoS model armies that need to exceed the revenue per customer of the now-missing WHFB players..
Though I did find it odd when Temple Guard were released in a larger box than they were previously.
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Post by: Sarouan
Kilkrazy wrote:GW have to make a lot of new units in order to validate the AoS business model in which people will buy smaller but more expensive collections of figures to replace their existing WHFB armies, or simply as newcomers buy AoS model armies that need to exceed the revenue per customer of the now-missing WHFB players..
Minor changes in a stat line, or a new special rule, or a variation on it, are how a new unit is created.
To be honest, if it's just the weapons that change, they can use the same entry and just say each miniature use the weapons it carries.
Most of the time, when they make a different profile, it's because there is a special rule attached to them.
I'm guessing the lance knights will have something when they charge, the hammer knights will certainly have the same rules than hammer paladins and axe knights as well with axe paladins. And crossbowmen will certainly have something with their bolts.
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Post by: insaniak
 Haechi wrote:
I also do find the SE names ridiculous... But I find it very hypocritical to mention. I mean, Devastators, Terminators, Crusaders, Redeemers, Predators, Vindicators, Ravagers, Raiders, Reavers, Defilers, Obliterators, Mutilators, etc. Nothing new under the sun guys.
'New' isn't the issue. The fact that other things have names doesn't make these names any less silly.
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Post by: Sarouan
insaniak wrote: Haechi wrote:
I also do find the SE names ridiculous... But I find it very hypocritical to mention. I mean, Devastators, Terminators, Crusaders, Redeemers, Predators, Vindicators, Ravagers, Raiders, Reavers, Defilers, Obliterators, Mutilators, etc. Nothing new under the sun guys.
'New' isn't the issue. The fact that other things have names doesn't make these names any less silly.
Bah, if they want to copyright these, they have to use names that can't be too generic. Since it's a high fantasy world, with impossible realms and quite specific background, these names are as good as anything else. You'd rather have Blood Warriors of Blood Murder?
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Post by: Sidstyler
And a terminator with lightning claws is still a terminator. A terminator with an assault cannon is still a terminator. They don't become "pulverators" when you give them hammers and shields, or "bolterators" when you're running shooty guys. That's the difference.
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Post by: Haechi
 Sidstyler wrote:And a terminator with lightning claws is still a terminator. A terminator with an assault cannon is still a terminator. They don't become "pulverators" when you give them hammers and shields, or "bolterators" when you're running shooty guys. That's the difference.
Right, and Predators aren't either Destructors or Anihiliators with a change of weapons. Same with Land Raiders, which are either Redeemers or Crusaders. All warhammer names have always been borderline ridiculous, quit your act. Those guys are Dracothian Guards. The names are to differentiate their roles, which is decided by the weapons they use in battle.
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Post by: Sarouan
Sidstyler wrote:And a terminator with lightning claws is still a terminator. A terminator with an assault cannon is still a terminator. They don't become "pulverators" when you give them hammers and shields, or "bolterators" when you're running shooty guys. That's the difference.
Main difference is in the fluff and profiles.
For example, Prosecutors may use different weapons but they still have the same name. Same for Judicators or Liberators.
The Paladins are different because they actually have different fighting styles and roles. I guess this is the same for the new knights on dracoth.
Not really shocking in itself.
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Post by: tneva82
Sarouan wrote: insaniak wrote: Haechi wrote:
I also do find the SE names ridiculous... But I find it very hypocritical to mention. I mean, Devastators, Terminators, Crusaders, Redeemers, Predators, Vindicators, Ravagers, Raiders, Reavers, Defilers, Obliterators, Mutilators, etc. Nothing new under the sun guys.
'New' isn't the issue. The fact that other things have names doesn't make these names any less silly.
Bah, if they want to copyright these, they have to use names that can't be too generic. Since it's a high fantasy world, with impossible realms and quite specific background, these names are as good as anything else. You'd rather have Blood Warriors of Blood Murder?
So they generate silly names and generate 4 entries where 1 would be enough to archieve...What? Competitors will make equilavents happily as usual if they deem it's profitable.
(and yes it was silly to have empire crossbowmen and handgunner. Just because you made mistake before doesn't mean you have to make mistake in future yes? You could say...Fix the mistake? Improve your product? Maybe it's just me but that sounds logical step)
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Post by: Kilkrazy
I don't see what was silly about Empire crossbowmen and handgunners. Both are real weapons that co-existed in armies for decades (as did bowmen) during the gradual transition to fully gunpowder battle.
Anyway, names can't be copyrighted. GW can trademark them, but don't need to invent new words in order to so this, although it makes it easier. The thing is, registering trademarks is fairly expensive.
I think GW are making up these names accordinng to rule of cool. Otherwise why pick real words for the units like Prosecutors and Retributors? They just sound kind of militant.
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Post by: coldgaming
I like the names and different war scrolls, as it gives each variant a little more character and space in the fluff, rather than just Paladins with different weapons.
Edit: Also, in the Paladins' case at least, the different variants have different armour styles as well. From a business perspective, I think it's largely about packing as much perceived content in the box as possible and giving reasons to buy more than one.
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Post by: insaniak
Sarouan wrote:
Bah, if they want to copyright these, they have to use names that can't be too generic.
That's not how copyright works.
Since it's a high fantasy world, with impossible realms and quite specific background, these names are as good as anything else. You'd rather have Blood Warriors of Blood Murder?
An even sillier name is not the only alternative to a silly name. Automatically Appended Next Post: Kilkrazy wrote:.
I think GW are making up these names accordinng to rule of cool. Otherwise why pick real words for the units like Prosecutors and Retributors? They just sound kind of militant.
I think that's part of it. And, as much as we give them stick for the whole trademark thing (and as much as they've earnt it with their behaviour in recent years), I think in large part it's about creating a unique, distinct setting in place of the relatively generic WHFB Old World. And on that level, at least, they seem to be succeeding.
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Post by: Lithlandis Stormcrow
Haechi wrote: Sidstyler wrote:And a terminator with lightning claws is still a terminator. A terminator with an assault cannon is still a terminator. They don't become "pulverators" when you give them hammers and shields, or "bolterators" when you're running shooty guys. That's the difference.
Right, and Predators aren't either Destructors or Anihiliators with a change of weapons. Same with Land Raiders, which are either Redeemers or Crusaders. All warhammer names have always been borderline ridiculous, quit your act. Those guys are Dracothian Guards. The names are to differentiate their roles, which is decided by the weapons they use in battle.
You are mistaking something there - those are pattern names for tanks, not terms for infantry. The point still stands that, to do the same thing namewise, the Assault Terminators with Twin LC would have to be the Clawzerators, while the ones with TH/ SS would be the hammerators, and the Powerfist ones would be the pulverators, with the odd guy with the chainfist being the angryfisterator.... the list goes on. It's a completely different thing.
Now, while you can defend that there are specific units within certain chapters that are pretty much just Terminators with different weapons (Such as the DW Knights) those are altogether a different organization within the Chapter. There's no act to be quit - it's quite a simple realization.
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Post by: Haechi
 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:
Now, while you can defend that there are specific units within certain chapters that are pretty much just Terminators with different weapons (Such as the DW Knights) those are altogether a different organization within the Chapter. There's no act to be quit - it's quite a simple realization.
And that's exactly what those new entries are. They are different armed branches of the Extremis Chamber. They fight with different doctrines and have different roles on the battlefield. It's all described and explained in the fluff and books. And they don't work like a devastator squad that can mix weapons. Those guys won't be able to mix weapons. They are as different in terms of fluff as Tacticals, Assaults, and Devastators are.
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Post by: Mymearan
Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote: Haechi wrote: Sidstyler wrote:And a terminator with lightning claws is still a terminator. A terminator with an assault cannon is still a terminator. They don't become "pulverators" when you give them hammers and shields, or "bolterators" when you're running shooty guys. That's the difference.
Right, and Predators aren't either Destructors or Anihiliators with a change of weapons. Same with Land Raiders, which are either Redeemers or Crusaders. All warhammer names have always been borderline ridiculous, quit your act. Those guys are Dracothian Guards. The names are to differentiate their roles, which is decided by the weapons they use in battle.
You are mistaking something there - those are pattern names for tanks, not terms for infantry. The point still stands that, to do the same thing namewise, the Assault Terminators with Twin LC would have to be the Clawzerators, while the ones with TH/ SS would be the hammerators, and the Powerfist ones would be the pulverators, with the odd guy with the chainfist being the angryfisterator.... the list goes on. It's a completely different thing.
Now, while you can defend that there are specific units within certain chapters that are pretty much just Terminators with different weapons (Such as the DW Knights) those are altogether a different organization within the Chapter. There's no act to be quit - it's quite a simple realization.
It's not completely different at all, in fact it's exactly the same thing. Patterns for tanks, roles for infantry, what's the practical difference and why is it a problem? It amounts to the exact same thing, which is silly names that are supposed to sound cool. And if you think some of them sound ridiculous, than the problem is not the fact that they have different names, but rather that the names are silly. Which is certainly a valid opinion.
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Post by: oldzoggy
This is how I imagine the AoS name making department 
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Post by: jimmyjimjam1066
RoperPG wrote: angelofvengeance wrote:Plumbumbarum wrote:Kaboomors lol... I say Derpcast Derpdederperz, Age of Derp.
Lord Kaboomor on Derpoth, best of both worlds heh.
Anyway Dracoths are fat, which kind of fits the fat sigmarines. Terrible models, bloated like World of Warcraft ingame ones. It's weird because starter dracoth looked kinda ok.
Honestly, I don't get why you keep visiting this thread. You really don't add anything worthwhile to the discussion.
I think he adds plenty.
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Post by: Rayvon
Not bad that cavalry, better than I expected it would be, still no interest in this army though, just seems boring to me.
I really wonder how well this line is doing, its seems to sell well but I have not met anyone that really likes it.
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Post by: oldzoggy
 Rayvon wrote:Not bad that cavalry, better than I expected it would be, still no interest in this army though, just seems boring to me. I really wonder how well this line is doing, its seems to sell well but I have not met anyone that really likes it.
We don't have to meet them. Remember those statistics about games vs collector a while back. Lets assume those are sort of true as long as there are persons who like to collect them GW will sell them. And those extravagant Sig Daemon armours really look like some of the modern RPG games out there so my guess would be that they just might sell better then we all expect them to do. But I am still not entirely convinced.
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Post by: judgedoug
mdauben wrote: VeteranNoob wrote:Yeah, I agree. I'm not sure what it would be called so I just wrote Wyvern.
Based on the releases to date, tt will probably be a Savage Wyrme ridden by a Savage Oruck Savager, wielding a Savage Axxe, who will lead the Savage Orucks riding Savage Pyges waving their Savage Slissers.
Yeah, the 40k Terribad Naming Convention Infection spread to AoS pretty thoroughly.
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You realize how stupid of a name "Devastator" squad is? You're just used to it. In the context of a military squad formation, it's fething slowed.
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angelofvengeance wrote:Plumbumbarum wrote:Kaboomors lol... I say Derpcast Derpdederperz, Age of Derp.
Lord Kaboomor on Derpoth, best of both worlds heh.
Anyway Dracoths are fat, which kind of fits the fat sigmarines. Terrible models, bloated like World of Warcraft ingame ones. It's weird because starter dracoth looked kinda ok.
Honestly, I don't get why you keep visiting this thread. You really don't add anything worthwhile to the discussion.
I'm going to go to a forum that talks about The Hundred Years War. I'll complain about how it's not interesting. Someone replies that if you read about it you will find it interesting. I reply that I read a few paragraphs but couldn't pronounce any of the French names, got frustrated, and haven't read any further. But I'm sure as hell going to squat in that forum like a coiled turd and comment on how the Hundred Years War is dumb.
It's weird. I don't jump on a forum to specifically say I will not be buying something. There's not enough hours in the day to do that for every item I will not be purchasing.
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Haechi wrote:I also do find the SE names ridiculous... But I find it very hypocritical to mention. I mean, Devastators, Terminators, Crusaders, Redeemers, Predators, Vindicators, Ravagers, Raiders, Reavers, Defilers, Obliterators, Mutilators, etc. Nothing new under the sun guys.
But... but... space marines! They're just SO COOL GUYS. They get exempt because 40k is ripped off from Dune, Foundation, Aliens, 2000AD, and a dozen other sources whereas AoS is the only mostly original IP that GW has created in nearly it's entire history. It's a lot easier to latch onto something that's full of familiar generic tropes.
this is just internet argument
"MY TOY SOLDIER IS BETTER THAN YOURS"
"NO, MY TOY SOLDIER BETTER" Automatically Appended Next Post: Haechi wrote: Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:
Now, while you can defend that there are specific units within certain chapters that are pretty much just Terminators with different weapons (Such as the DW Knights) those are altogether a different organization within the Chapter. There's no act to be quit - it's quite a simple realization.
And that's exactly what those new entries are. They are different armed branches of the Extremis Chamber. They fight with different doctrines and have different roles on the battlefield. It's all described and explained in the fluff and books. And they don't work like a devastator squad that can mix weapons. Those guys won't be able to mix weapons. They are as different in terms of fluff as Tacticals, Assaults, and Devastators are.
Stop expecting anyone in this thread who solely visits to criticize AoS has literally any idea what they are talking about. There's been a dozen AoS books now with tons of background and fluff and none of these guys have bothered to read it other than to see some names, add "derp" to them (brilliant!), and criticize the names while they lovingly purchase a Space Wolves... (fething stupid name #1)... Wulfen... (#2).... Murderpack (#3). There's absolutely nothing in Age of Sigmar that is as stupid sounding as those four words together. Space Wolves Wulfen Murderpack. Nor as stupid as a concept or execution as Thunderwolf Cavalry. But there you have it.
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Post by: Sword Of Caliban
I completely agree with you, I'm so tired of seeing hipsters just pure badmouthing AOS because they have nothing better to do!!! AOS background is epic and I am really enjoying it. The best thing GW ever did was to nuke WHFB.
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Post by: ChaosxVoid
I dont care what they are named, I digging the heck out of em cant wait to see more
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Post by: oldzoggy
How is the pricing on those furminators would it be more affordable to just buy the catdragon thingy from a bits site / ebay ?
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Post by: Necros
So, is Fulminate even a word? What does fulminating mean?
I'm gonna stick with concussors I guess, so they'll match my starter set guy.. or maybe try magnetizing the arms or hands?
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Post by: Paradigm
Yep, it means 'to strike violently or flash like lightning', from a Latin root, fulmen/fulmin meaning lightning.
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Post by: Ghaz
Yes, Fulminate is a word, and more than a few posters in this thread could be considered Fulminators
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Post by: RoperPG
Necros wrote:So, is Fulminate even a word? What does fulminating mean?
I'm gonna stick with concussors I guess, so they'll match my starter set guy.. or maybe try magnetizing the arms or hands?
fulminate
ˈfʊlmɪneɪt,ˈfʌl-/
verb
1.
express vehement protest.
"all fulminated against the new curriculum"
synonyms: protest, rail, rage, rant, thunder, storm, declaim, inveigh, speak out, make/take a stand; More
2.
literary
explode violently or flash like lightning.
"thunder fulminated around the house"
synonyms: explode, flash, crack, detonate, blow up, go off; rumble
"thunder fulminated around the house"
Pretty apt either way.
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 Ghaz wrote:Yes, Fulminate is a word, and more than a few posters in this thread could be considered Fulminators
Ninja'd! But also tried to figure out your point...
Perhaps in future "OK mate, here's yer glaive, there's yer Dracoth..."
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Post by: antohammer
are you kidding??? 7 wounds??? with a 3+ to save?? 
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Post by: Sarouan
The Lord Celestant on Dracoth, yes. The "normal" knights on Dracoth have 5 wounds...yeah, and still 3+ to save. Quite big beasties in themselves.
Axe knights are funny; they more they are, the more they attack. Ouch.
Could be fun to make an army out of those. Well...it will certainly hurt your wallet, but if you don't mind, still could be fun!
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Post by: oni
Hmmm... I'm really anxious to see the large drake.
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Post by: judgedoug
Well, since Archaon slays Vandus Hammerhand and Calanax, then his army kills the Hammers of Sigmar to the man, I wonder if the Dracoth knights are a new "unit", fluff-wise, designed by Sigmar to combat Archaon's forces?
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Post by: Manchu
I hope the new battletome picks up where Balance of Power leaves off. I want to know where the Celestant Prime was while Archaon was kicking Vandus's shiny metal buttplate.
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Post by: Paradigm
RoperPG wrote: Necros wrote:So, is Fulminate even a word? What does fulminating mean? I'm gonna stick with concussors I guess, so they'll match my starter set guy.. or maybe try magnetizing the arms or hands?
fulminate ˈfʊlmɪneɪt,ˈfʌl-/ verb 1. express vehement protest. "all fulminated against the new curriculum" synonyms: protest, rail, rage, rant, thunder, storm, declaim, inveigh, speak out, make/take a stand; More 2. literary explode violently or flash like lightning. "thunder fulminated around the house" synonyms: explode, flash, crack, detonate, blow up, go off; rumble "thunder fulminated around the house" Pretty apt either way.
I really do like to think the first definition is the one that applies here. Two Stormcast Fulminators behold their advancing foe... 'Chaos. Again.' 'Oh, bloody hell, it was them last week!' 'I know! Ridiculous! They're just so boring! I mean, can't they ever do anything that doesn't involve spikes and blood?' 'Guess not. Oh, well, I guess we better go and fight them... For all the good it'll do.. 'Yeah, 'spose you're right... but the Lord Castellant will be getting a strongly worded letter if we end up impaled! We have right, you know!' I do look forward to seeing the Stormcast dragon. The artwork in the cover is pretty awesome, I hope the model can live up to it.
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Post by: Haechi
I can't wait to test out duels between those guys and Varanguards!
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Post by: GoatboyBeta
Manchu wrote:I hope the new battletome picks up where Balance of Power leaves off. I want to know where the Celestant Prime was while Archaon was kicking Vandus's shiny metal buttplate.
He was busy beating the chaos out of Torglug
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Post by: streetsamurai
The pic showing a whole army of these guys is pretty cool, but unfortunately, it also shows the almost complete lack of customisation of the dracoth.
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Post by: Commodus Leitdorf
Well I certainly hope the price of the book is true. Shows the GW at least acknowledges that the hardcover ones at THAT price were not selling.
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Post by: ImAGeek
 Commodus Leitdorf wrote:Well I certainly hope the price of the book is true. Shows the GW at least acknowledges that the hardcover ones at THAT price were not selling.
It is smaller than the others as well.
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Post by: insaniak
streetsamurai wrote:The pic showing a whole army of these guys is pretty cool, but unfortunately, it also shows the almost complete lack of customisation of the dracoth.
Indeed, it is a nice looking model, but gets very samey across the unit. Might have been nice if they had even just included one less weapon option for the riders in favour of a couple of variant heads for the mounts... The cloned bodies wouldn't be as obvious if you could at least vary the heads a bit.
Going even further, these still seem to be designed from a ranking up frame of mind... If you're going to include beasts like this in a skirmish game, there's no good reason not to put them on round bases so that you can have a bit more fun with dynamic posing, rather than just having them all in rigid 'charge straight ahead' poses.
Having said that, it's a new kit, and they're big models, so keeping it to the two poses does help keep the production costs down. Given how much they're putting into the Stormcast range, it wouldn't surprise me to see the mount options expanded out in later sets.
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Post by: RoperPG
Haechi wrote:I can't wait to test out duels between those guys and Varanguards!
The only weak sauce in there for me is the Desolators because of unit size mechanic to maximise them.
All the others have particular strengths, although I think for me the Tempestor just-and-just wins out because their bonus effect (disruptive fire) is massive.
Concussors with a bit of synergy will bring stuff down tough stuff very quickly, and Fulminators on the charge aren't a lot of fun either.
Frankly I can't really see a clear no-brainer pick out of them - which is kinda nice I guess, because you can go with what you think looks good.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Since it looks like the only difference in any of the builds is probably going to be the hand with the weapon, some magnets might do wonders for a set of these guys.
Probably would make a reasonably priced box or two pretty worthwhile units.
What would be really tempting, and I have no idea if it would work, would be playing around with the starter set Dracolith rider and seeing if he could use those weapons with a bit of converting.
Could probably build up a pretty sizable unit that way....
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Post by: RoperPG
 highlord tamburlaine wrote:Since it looks like the only difference in any of the builds is probably going to be the hand with the weapon, some magnets might do wonders for a set of these guys.
Probably would make a reasonably priced box or two pretty worthwhile units.
What would be really tempting, and I have no idea if it would work, would be playing around with the starter set Dracolith rider and seeing if he could use those weapons with a bit of converting.
Could probably build up a pretty sizable unit that way....
Depends how anal you are. Different heads as well...
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Post by: GoatboyBeta
insaniak wrote:Going even further, these still seem to be designed from a ranking up frame of mind... If you're going to include beasts like this in a skirmish game, there's no good reason not to put them on round bases so that you can have a bit more fun with dynamic posing, rather than just having them all in rigid 'charge straight ahead' poses.
Having said that, it's a new kit, and they're big models, so keeping it to the two poses does help keep the production costs down. Given how much they're putting into the Stormcast range, it wouldn't surprise me to see the mount options expanded out in later sets.
There have been several AoS models where it seems to my eye they were originally intended to work with the WHF ranking system, or the sculptors are still in that mindset when it comes to designing them.
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Post by: motski
The new battletome has 7 war scrolls. That would be 4 for the different dracoth guard variants and one for the celestant on a dracoth. I guess that leaves 2 for different variants of the star drake kit
Source http://cdn.bols.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/extremis-4.jpg
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Post by: Sarouan
Haechi wrote:I can't wait to test out duels between those guys and Varanguards!
They're both cavalry; I think a Knights' Tournament is more suited here.
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Post by: tneva82
edit: Whoops sorry. got off topic
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Post by: Haechi
I ran some simulations and Concussors are straight out more powerful than Varanguards... It's a bit disappointing.
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Post by: ShaneTB
Their special also means that a unit of two will on average stun the opposing unit every time.
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Post by: MacMuckles
Is that 1v1 or 2v3?
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Post by: Haechi
I did it as a 1v1 where nobody gets charge bonus and they hit at once. It comes down to the dracoth itself being a much stronger mount.
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Post by: Charles Rampant
Presumably most comp packs will take that into account when pricing them.
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Post by: timetowaste85
When did sad panda say Tzeentch stuff was hitting again? I'm expecting a "start collecting" box for them. If it's like Khorne and Nurgle have gotten, I'd expect horrors, screamers and a chariot in it. Which I'm considering picking up today. But if Tzeentch is getting love in the next month or two, I'd hold off.
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Post by: Kanluwen
 timetowaste85 wrote:When did sad panda say Tzeentch stuff was hitting again? I'm expecting a "start collecting" box for them. If it's like Khorne and Nurgle have gotten, I'd expect horrors, screamers and a chariot in it. Which I'm considering picking up today. But if Tzeentch is getting love in the next month or two, I'd hold off.
He didn't say it was Tzeentch Daemon stuff.
We just had the new Tzeentch mortal faction get namedropped in the Grand Alliance: Chaos book. They're called the "Tzeentch Arcanites".
The only models listed in there right now? Lord on Disc of Tzeentch(Finecast), Curseling(renamed Vilitch), Blasted Standards, and the plastic Tzeentch Sorcerer Lord(No Longer Available).
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Post by: RazorEdge
Maybe soon a repack with a multi-weeks Tzeentch release?
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Post by: Kanluwen
"No Longer Available" stuff tends to just go.
He was one of the early plastic characters where they actually are sculpted to fit with JUST the square base they came with and it becomes very problematic to place them on anything else for GW.
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Post by: timetowaste85
Kanluwen wrote: timetowaste85 wrote:When did sad panda say Tzeentch stuff was hitting again? I'm expecting a "start collecting" box for them. If it's like Khorne and Nurgle have gotten, I'd expect horrors, screamers and a chariot in it. Which I'm considering picking up today. But if Tzeentch is getting love in the next month or two, I'd hold off.
He didn't say it was Tzeentch Daemon stuff.
We just had the new Tzeentch mortal faction get namedropped in the Grand Alliance: Chaos book. They're called the "Tzeentch Arcanites".
The only models listed in there right now? Lord on Disc of Tzeentch(Finecast), Curseling(renamed Vilitch), Blasted Standards, and the plastic Tzeentch Sorcerer Lord(No Longer Available).
Ah, ok. I thought he had chimed in with Tzeentch info, like a combination of AoS and 40k stuff. If it's still a ways out (meaning who knows if/when), then I'm buying whatever boxes I'm interested in this afternoon. No reason to wait. Thanks Kan.
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Post by: Vida
Has anyone been able to figure out why it looks like the drake/dragon model in the background has its wings pointed downward? At least thats what it looks like to me.
I can see its head, and its breast plate, but those appear to be pointed up. I dont see how the wings can be pointed towards the ground if its head it looking straight/a bit upward.
Any speculations?
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Vida wrote:Has anyone been able to figure out why it looks like the drake/dragon model in the background has its wings pointed downward? At least thats what it looks like to me.
I can see its head, and its breast plate, but those appear to be pointed up. I dont see how the wings can be pointed towards the ground if its head it looking straight/a bit upward.
Any speculations?
I think a good example might be the Terrorgheist in how it is displayed. My first instinct was that it maybe a reskinned version of this model as this seems to be the order of the day for GW. What makes me more concerned is why they thought painting it's wings to look like a watermelon was a good idea from these images?
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
It may well be 'knuckle walking' like the kingdom death dragon or Mierce Chimera  
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Post by: Vermis
Well, limbs and necks generally have a certain range of motion. I'd guess the drake's torso is pointed slightly downwards, like the orc wyvern or the plastic zombie dragon, or a less exaggerated version of this pose.
Ninjard!
I dunno if it's knuckle walking, though. The art shows a very humanoid hand, indicating the ol' four-legs-two-wings form. (I can see the KD dragon has humanoid hands on it's wings, but nearly all of their designs are the result of smokin' sumpthin')
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Post by: ImAGeek
Vida wrote:Has anyone been able to figure out why it looks like the drake/dragon model in the background has its wings pointed downward? At least thats what it looks like to me.
I can see its head, and its breast plate, but those appear to be pointed up. I dont see how the wings can be pointed towards the ground if its head it looking straight/a bit upward.
Any speculations?
Guessing the wings are Wyvern like, and it's walking on them, like a bat.
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Post by: hotsauceman1
Those kinda wings always looked cool to me.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Them's Tigrex wings, and as an old school Monster Hunter ain't nothin' give me more sass n' hassle than a rampaging Tigrex up in them snowy mountains.
 Tigrex wings. Knuckle draggin' no good growlin' meowlin' kitty litter tossin' skittery as all hell Tigrex.
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Post by: Vida
It just doesnt look like the wings are low enough to the ground to have them being used for walking.
I'm sure it will all work itself out when clear pics come out next week.
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Post by: Zognob Gorgoff
Whirlwind wrote:Vida wrote:Has anyone been able to figure out why it looks like the drake/dragon model in the background has its wings pointed downward? At least thats what it looks like to me. I can see its head, and its breast plate, but those appear to be pointed up. I dont see how the wings can be pointed towards the ground if its head it looking straight/a bit upward. Any speculations?
I think a good example might be the Terrorgheist in how it is displayed. My first instinct was that it maybe a reskinned version of this model as this seems to be the order of the day for GW. What makes me more concerned is why they thought painting it's wings to look like a watermelon was a good idea from these images?
What are you talking about re skinned models being the order of the day did i miss something?! GW arnt making a computer game model, models getting re sculpted when this would save almost no time or money for the potential lost of model quality outside of full armour models that are ment to be the same is something id find unlikly, the point of digital sculpting is not so you can reuse assets more so they can go through more prototyping, try more stuff n tweak for taste and molding reasons. Seriously I hope you didnt mean that If you where making a stormcast drake your telling me youd totally start with this model from years ago: https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/600x620/99120207016_GhoulKingonTerrorgheistNEW01.jpg There likely a similarity with the pose as its a creature that has wings for hands?! humanoid models tend to have that similar vibe too, must all be a reskinning conspiracy. Personally think the wing walking dragon pose often looks awesome. Also the picture is so out of focus you really cant crit the paint just yet... Id wait till we get slightly less blur to pick it apart.
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Post by: Sad Panda
timetowaste85 wrote:When did sad panda say Tzeentch stuff was hitting again? I'm expecting a "start collecting" box for them. If it's like Khorne and Nurgle have gotten, I'd expect horrors, screamers and a chariot in it. Which I'm considering picking up today. But if Tzeentch is getting love in the next month or two, I'd hold off.
It begins with the AoS board game, which is more than two months out.
No idea about start collecting boxes and other re-packages.
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Post by: zamerion
Sad Panda wrote: timetowaste85 wrote:When did sad panda say Tzeentch stuff was hitting again? I'm expecting a "start collecting" box for them. If it's like Khorne and Nurgle have gotten, I'd expect horrors, screamers and a chariot in it. Which I'm considering picking up today. But if Tzeentch is getting love in the next month or two, I'd hold off.
It begins with the AoS board game, which is more than two months out.
No idea about start collecting boxes and other re-packages.
Thanks for the info!!!
Tzeentch, mortals or daemons? or maybe both?
Maybe the other army are dwarves?
Can you said something about the board game?
Thanks again!!!
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Post by: usernamesareannoying
wow, an AOS board game?
is GW actually starting a new trend with these board game releases?
id say that the ones they have done for 40k have been successful so far. knowing that I'm looking forward to anything they're going to try with AOS.
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Post by: Chikout
Thanks to Sad Panda's hints we can make a few educated guesses. The release list looks like stormcast and Khorne in March. Orruks in April. 30k and possibly cult mechanicus in May and the board game in 2 and a half months time in June.
The sides will be Tzeentch vs (probably) Stormcast. I hope it another army but given prior hints about how long it takea to bring a boatd game to market Gw will not have had time to react to the Stormcast being less popular than predicted. The summer will have a lot Tzeentch stuff as Sad Panda has mentioned.
In the fluff the stormcast first met the armies of Tzeentch while searching for the Duaridin, so it makes sense that they would be next. Sad Panda may come out to say that this is nonsense but I would be willing to bet that this is more or less what is coming.
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Post by: ShaneTB
I expect it'll actually be Duaridin in the box (maybe with a unit of exclusive Stormcast variants); apart from that, sounds accurate based on the passing comments we thankfully get.
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Post by: Vermis
Thing is, how many bought those for the minis, for use in 40K? Will those kind of sales carry over to AoS?
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
If they make anything remotely resembling the old Quest games, especially with the ability to incorporate models from outside the boxed game into things, then yeah, I can see a Sigmar board game giving the whole range a nice boost.
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Post by: zamerion
So the future calendar of GW can be something like this?:
(isnt a rumor only a compilation)
-Now 2 weeks of sigmarines, and next ¿2weeks of khorne?
-april: 3 weeks of orcs (orrucs)
-End of april and may: new mechanicum codex with new robots and transport? independent boxes of Heresy Horus game?
-End of may: new AoS board game with tzeentch and ¿metal dwarves?
-June/july: factions of the board game with codex and extra units?
-August: second part of curse of the wolf. Focused on tzeentch, specially in thousand sons?
Rest of the year we have other game board of Heresy Horus, codex for cult genestealer, codex for deadwatch, (and in a spanish blog someone said new models for legion of the dammned)
Am I missing something more?
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Post by: Necros
Are the 30K releases just going to be the HH models? Or anything new? I could maybe use 1 more tactical squad but I think I'd rather mix in some old timey assault marines instead.
Definitely interested in the AOS board game, I kinda feel like that's how they should have introduced AOS in the first place.
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Post by: Raxor
Where do Bretonnians get squatted in all that? 
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Post by: Albino Squirrel
Has there been any indication from anyone in the know that this Age of Sigmar "board game" is going to be something like Warhammer Quest? Or is that all just some wishful thinking?
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Post by: zamerion
I guess when order great alliance book will come. But nobody said nothing about future repacks of existing products.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Albino Squirrel wrote:Has there been any indication from anyone in the know that this Age of Sigmar "board game" is going to be something like Warhammer Quest? Or is that all just some wishful thinking?
Wishful thinking, naturally!
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Post by: Charles Rampant
It would seem to fit with the Space Hulk style approach taken with B@C and DW:OK, though. They clearly seem to be comfortable with cardboard corridors + warhammer models + boardgame rules as a basic strategy.
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Post by: Sad Panda
Necros wrote:Are the 30K releases just going to be the HH models? Or anything new? I could maybe use 1 more tactical squad but I think I'd rather mix in some old timey assault marines instead.
Listen to Atia. She knows things!
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Post by: coldgaming
Although I agree Stormcast are somewhat likely in the board game release, I'd think that would be a good time to bring back the elves.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Sad Panda wrote: Necros wrote:Are the 30K releases just going to be the HH models? Or anything new? I could maybe use 1 more tactical squad but I think I'd rather mix in some old timey assault marines instead.
Listen to Atia. She knows things!
So what you're saying is Sisters of Silence?
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Post by: Kilkrazy
 Charles Rampant wrote:It would seem to fit with the Space Hulk style approach taken with B@C and DW:OK, though. They clearly seem to be comfortable with cardboard corridors + warhammer models + boardgame rules as a basic strategy.
It has worked very well for them before so why not?
A number of people have mentioned they were brought into 40K or fantasy by playing a game like Space Crusade. No reason it can't work for AoS, if they get the formula and pricing right.
Plus, if the models in the game are any good, lots of existing AoS players will buy it just for them, making it a guaranteed sales success.
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