You'd think if they were going to drop half the alliance, plus the old special characters, and give us nothing new at all, that they could at least include a good 3 or 4 new formations, instead of only one.
I doubt they would move them into specialist games. It doesn't make any sense to have a fantasy game with a load of model kits branded AoS and a load of model kits for fantasy games, without branding.
One might have hoped the Finecast parts of the line would be retooled as plastic kits, but if GW were planning to do that, presumably the TKs would have been included in the Death book.
One sub-faction is just Necromancers and Mortis Engines. Another one has 3 types of model. How hard would it be to say "the death realm has a sandy bit" and have the modern TK kits - Sphinx, Snake Surfers and Tomb Guard - be their own sub-faction?
One sub-faction is just Necromancers and Mortis Engines. Another one has 3 types of model. How hard would it be to say "the death realm has a sandy bit" and have the modern TK kits - Sphinx, Snake Surfers and Tomb Guard - be their own sub-faction?
Y'know, I kind of wonder if we see a resurgent Tomb King faction if they'll be somewhere else.
Tomb Kings have always had more sentience to them than anything barring the Wight Kings. They've also traditionally been associated less with Necromancy and more with heavenly magic.
One sub-faction is just Necromancers and Mortis Engines. Another one has 3 types of model. How hard would it be to say "the death realm has a sandy bit" and have the modern TK kits - Sphinx, Snake Surfers and Tomb Guard - be their own sub-faction?
They want to reduce the fantasy range. So far all they've done is add. I think there will be a fair bit of culling still to do.
While I certainly understand the culling GW is going through with some ranges, I think it would have been worth saving some of the kits from the TK range- particularly the Necrosphinx, tombguard, Necropolis knights- basically the better-looking plastics. They could have saved the concept whilst still removing vast chunks of models they don't have any interest in...sort of what I see possibly happening with beastmen.
It's sad to see TK going, they were really quite cool in my view. Yes some of the skeletons were a bit outdated, but I think what killed them in the last edition was how vulnerable they were made. I think better rules and providing updated models (and completing the range) for those dated designs at a reasonable cost would have done a lot to keep people interested in them. Unfortunately they have now been consigned to the archives.
Unfortunately if AoS is doing poorly then mass purging of ranges is more likely. They take up stock space for limited return. I wouldn't be surprised if GW is doing this to stop spending on the old models and rather buy the more expensive new ones to ensure they achieve their sales targets of these models. Obviously this only works if people weren't buying to complete 8th or 9th armies...otherwise they just risk alienating even more purchasers (the same mistake they made with specialist games). I am however shocked that they are culling the new plastic kits as well in the range. This doesn't bode well for any other armies. Bretonnians are an expected cull, but we are missing sightings of many armies that have not been converted to the round base style. I now wonder just how much of the Ogres, Empire, high Elf ranges are going to survive.
What is even more intriguing is the release of the new undead faction book, it would imply that there is unlikely to be any new undead now for some time. The small size of the book makes me wonder whether it has been toned back to what it originally was going to be?
People mention Bretonnia all the time, but I think there's reason to be worried about other stuff, like the Empire, going away, too. Much like Bretonnia, the Empire is locked into a mostly historical based medieval design aesthetic that does not seem to mesh too well with the directions Sigmar has been going in. I guess we'll see, but it could be mighty interesting whenever they get to that Order tome...
Bretonnia is a given- it's already been announced by a GWFB page in Brussels. As far as future plans go, I think you make an excellent point totalfailure. The empire will be purged significantly- of all of its renaissance stuff (most of the range right there) will go.
It's sad to see so much disappear from the illusions GW's management concocts for itself.
No thanks to all your doom and gloom I found myself purchasing a box of Tomb Guard the other day. Why? I have no real undead collection and all I wanted was to try building a Tau suit since I never got to when I was younger.
Then I started eyeing a Necrosphinx that I will most likely end up with before the end of the month.
You lot are a bad influence!
They had a chariot box for 20 bucks that I probably should have bought if only to help it find a better home than in the shop's consignment case.
highlord tamburlaine wrote: No thanks to all your doom and gloom I found myself purchasing a box of Tomb Guard the other day. Why? I have no real undead collection and all I wanted was to try building a Tau suit since I never got to when I was younger.
Then I started eyeing a Necrosphinx that I will most likely end up with before the end of the month.
You lot are a bad influence!
They had a chariot box for 20 bucks that I probably should have bought if only to help it find a better home than in the shop's consignment case.
I feel bad for you but I think that a lot of the races need a new direction. The Empire for instance needs a whole redesign including the name. I never did like them....
Unlike the Tomb King plastics I really won't be too sad to see a lot of the Empire kits go, their state troops are simply lacking in quality and several other kits are really showing their age (knights, steam tank). I would never build an empire army out of empire models when there is such a wealth of historical options to kit bash with. There are some kits I will miss but IMO it's mostly stuff people will already have if they want; war machines, character models, etc.
Brettonians shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, in fact I'm surprised it took this long for them to be dropped entirely.
NinthMusketeer wrote: Unlike the Tomb King plastics I really won't be too sad to see a lot of the Empire kits go, their state troops are simply lacking in quality and several other kits are really showing their age (knights, steam tank). I would never build an empire army out of empire models when there is such a wealth of historical options to kit bash with. There are some kits I will miss but IMO it's mostly stuff people will already have if they want; war machines, character models, etc.
Brettonians shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, in fact I'm surprised it took this long for them to be dropped entirely.
The Steam Tank is relatively new, it was released the same time as the Greatswords.
You guys are killing me. The Empire range is beautiful and I hope they become the "Empire of Azyrheim" or whatever and transfer the whole range over like they did with Seraphon.
Considering they are the good guys for Total War, I hope GW will consider keeping a lot of the kits.
Can they really get rid of a model as iconic as the Steamtank!? Looking at the Fyreslayers, maybe we'll get a whole faction called Stymtynks! ;-)
Sad to say, I'd put good money on all of that stuff passing Bottle. They're too renaissance, too obviously taken with outside inspiration. GW can't let that be the case...for reasons.
NinthMusketeer wrote: Unlike the Tomb King plastics I really won't be too sad to see a lot of the Empire kits go, their state troops are simply lacking in quality and several other kits are really showing their age (knights, steam tank). I would never build an empire army out of empire models when there is such a wealth of historical options to kit bash with. There are some kits I will miss but IMO it's mostly stuff people will already have if they want; war machines, character models, etc.
Brettonians shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, in fact I'm surprised it took this long for them to be dropped entirely.
The Steam Tank is relatively new, it was released the same time as the Greatswords.
Wasn't that with the 7th edition book nine years ago? Though the Brets make anything seem new I suppose.
Accolade wrote: Sad to say, I'd put good money on all of that stuff passing Bottle. They're too renaissance, too obviously taken with outside inspiration. GW can't let that be the case...for reasons.
Oh yeah, I wouldn't put money on most of the range staying, I just take offence at the models being called ugly. :-p
As much as GW like to pretend there are no people in Age of Sigmar, they will have to release a human faction sooner or later, and it seems reasonable to use some of the existing kits rather than start from scratch. Things like Demigryph Knights and Warrior Preists perhaps.
NinthMusketeer wrote: Unlike the Tomb King plastics I really won't be too sad to see a lot of the Empire kits go, their state troops are simply lacking in quality and several other kits are really showing their age (knights, steam tank). I would never build an empire army out of empire models when there is such a wealth of historical options to kit bash with. There are some kits I will miss but IMO it's mostly stuff people will already have if they want; war machines, character models, etc.
Brettonians shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, in fact I'm surprised it took this long for them to be dropped entirely.
The Steam Tank is relatively new, it was released the same time as the Greatswords.
Wasn't that with the 7th edition book nine years ago? Though the Brets make anything seem new I suppose.
Nah, it was a release without a book, also had the archers. Can't remember what year it was. Maybe 5 years or so.
Okay, think it was longer than I thought (8 years maybe) but I think it's fine, and the Greatswords are an awesome kit too imo which were released at the same time.
Accolade wrote: Sad to say, I'd put good money on all of that stuff passing Bottle. They're too renaissance, too obviously taken with outside inspiration. GW can't let that be the case...for reasons.
Oh yeah, I wouldn't put money on most of the range staying, I just take offence at the models being called ugly. :-p
As much as GW like to pretend there are no people in Age of Sigmar, they will have to release a human faction sooner or later, and it seems reasonable to use some of the existing kits rather than start from scratch. Things like Demigryph Knights and Warrior Preists perhaps.
Gotcha. I prefer the renaissance aspect of the range myself, although I felt like the core troops had a bit of a monkey look to them in their exaggerated proportions.
I think that anything with a religious overtone (the flagellants and rolling altar) will survive, but any of the stuff that is too knighty will go away (including the demigryphs), as GW probably seems them as being too much in conflict with their even more awesome knights, the Stormcasts.
From there, I think future human releases will fixate on support for the Stormcasts in the form of cannon fodder/engines of war units.
Sword Of Caliban wrote:The Empire for instance needs a whole redesign including the name. I never did like them....
Oh, well, that makes it alright then.
Actually, now you mention it, and given certain comparisons when AoS turned up, I can see an Azyrheim empire range not wholly incompatible with Mantic basileans.
But on the other hand...
Bottle wrote:
As much as GW like to pretend there are no people in Age of Sigmar, they will have to release a human faction sooner or later
... who needs boring hew-mawns when you've got ded kewl wikkid super-badass fantasy space marines and spiky cannibals and nekkid dwarfs?
I'm not really surprised that TK are getting "removed". GW has mentioned that old armies will be usable (with the warscrolls they initially released) but if I remember correctly old stuff won't be supported with new releases. Wasn't the whole point of AoS to make it more streamlined (release wise) and to consolidate armies? All the other old armies will probably get removed too when enough new stuff gets released for them. Until then some re-boxing will happen so they can sell something.
A few kits will still be usable (like Nagash from End Times) but new armies will actually be new — top to bottom. The new and bigger chaos knights (don't know the name) will replace the old ones. Sure you can use the old ones with the corresponding warscroll but there won't be new models for them and no new warscrolls so they are technically not replaced but just pushed aside. Am I remembering all of rumours wrong? I though that was GW's plan: to release new armies for AoS (and have smaller armies and fewer factions) but to not officially remove all the old armies (they kept supporting them with the most basic and generic warscrolls so they appear to be valid in the game and you can't complain on that technicality even if further support won't happen).
So whatever the new elven/human aesthetic, models, and units will be they won't be that compatible to the old armies but fit into the new army list and as soon as they manage to put together an useful army list for the faction the old stuff (except the few models that will fit in the new army) will be dropped when they have the replacement. Just like the new big chaos knights are technically not a replacement for the old model (they even have different rules) but will be the only thing that looks and works like a chaos knight that you can buy once the transition is over.
Mario wrote: Just like the new big chaos knights are technically not a replacement for the old model (they even have different rules) but will be the only thing that looks and works like a chaos knight that you can buy once the transition is over.
That transition would be a long ways out, considering the Chaos Knights just got reboxed and are included in the Start Collecting set and the Lord Heldrath set.
Someone on /tg/ said Brets, Empire, Wood Elves, Ogres, and Goblins are all up next on the chopping block. Obviously not a great source, but it seems anything thats not on a round base yet is fair game. I'm expecting Brets to go. Ogres and at least the spider Gobbos seem safe, but who really knows at this point?
gobskrag 'eadbasha wrote: Someone on /tg/ said Brets, Empire, Wood Elves, Ogres, and Goblins are all up next on the chopping block. Obviously not a great source, but it seems anything thats not on a round base yet is fair game. I'm expecting Brets to go. Ogres and at least the spider Gobbos seem safe, but who really knows at this point?
So they took two armies rumored to be on the chopping block and added in more.
I am genuinely surprised by everyone's reaction to this news. It was rumoured since the first endtimes rumours two years ago, that some armies were going to get cut. Since the Nagash endtimes book it has been clear that the tomb kings would be one of the first on the chopping block. My guess is that GW have not had any tomb kings produced in their factory since the end times began and have simply been working through inventory since then.
For me the big surprise so far is how much of the old range has made the transition untouched. One of the earliest rumours was that the lizard men would disappear but they have their own book now. In the future I expect every range to suffer some cuts as they are almagameted into new factions, or are replaced by new ones.
In the future I expect the whole Bretonnian range to go. Most of the empire range will go. Yhetees, gorgers, sabretusks, the ogre special characters, and the gnoblars will likely go.
Night goblins might go, though that would be extremely sad. Forest goblins are almost guaranteed to be safe as they have featured a lot in the fluff and the books. Most of the Orc line is probably safe for the same reason. The dwarfs may see some cuts depending on what the steam heads look like when they are released.
The most uncertain situation is the elves, as we have not even seen any art of thier new style yet. It is possible that they all could go.
We knew that age of sigmar was going to bring big changes to the warhammer line. This is just the beginning.
My instinct is that 30k will eventually replace warhammer as the second tier range, and that there will be about half as many warhammer models as there are now.
Another point is that GW didn't have to do this. models have simply disappeared from the web store many times before, but this time they are not trying to hide what they are doing. It sucks but at least people have a chance to grab stuff before it is gone.
Another point is that GW didn't have to do this. models have simply disappeared from the web store many times before, but this time they are not trying to hide what they are doing. It sucks but at least people have a chance to grab stuff before it is gone.
While this is a technically accurate statement, in my book you don't get points for implementing a stupid idea in a marginally less donkey-cave-ish way than you have in the past. Obviously it being a stupid idea is a matter of opinion yet to be borne out by the facts(that will take a while), but for my money GW get plaudits when they do good things, not for minor decreases in their normal level of idiocy.
GW's website sucks. These Alliance drop downs are bonkers.. There are 22 options, 13 of which have less that 10 items. None of these make any since to me, so how am I going to know where to look to shop. Its like they are continuously inventing ways to shoot themselves in the foot.
When my friend and I went to the book store to get some dice for his Skaven force, I noticed the Chaos Grand Alliance book, convinced him to purchase it and I am happy that I did. Lots of vivid artwork , really a nice collectible.
Looked forward to the Death Grand Alliance book as days went by, some time ago noticed on the rumors that the book was going to be $16.50, I knew at that time I will have to say goodbye to my beloved TK models.
Shame really but it does not surprise me, the revamp of the book that I waited for a long time along with the 'new' kits were not really exciting to me as a long time Tomb King hobbyist , sad but true.
Really taught I was going to be able to take the "Death" motif to the next level by mixing and matching, looks like I will have to stick to pretty much Vampire Counts... oh well!
Now that is not to say I don't see these types of changes being bad for their company, bright future ahead,no doubt. We will always find something that will keep us coming back for their miniatures.
Chopxsticks wrote: GW's website sucks. These Alliance drop downs are bonkers.. There are 22 options, 13 of which have less that 10 items. None of these make any since to me, so how am I going to know where to look to shop. Its like they are continuously inventing ways to shoot themselves in the foot.
Give them a break. They didn't have more than three (or was it four) million pounds to spend on the website so it's bound to be a bit rough on the edges.
Bottle wrote: Considering they are the good guys for Total War, I hope GW will consider keeping a lot of the kits.
You think the video game will have any impact on GW's decisions? Licensed products are just a stream of nearly hands-free revenue. GW has never leveraged it's IP on the back of a licensed product.
I kinda doubt they'll get rid of too many more old factions, after all a widespread rumor was that Lizardmen would get the chop but we all know what happened with them. The other thing is whether a faction outright disappears or certain kits are integrated into a new AoS "replacement" faction, or they just get re-boxings, renames and get added to the new faction ala all the old Chaos Warrior stuff with the Bloodbound and Everchosen battle-tomes.
Bottle wrote: Considering they are the good guys for Total War, I hope GW will consider keeping a lot of the kits.
You think the video game will have any impact on GW's decisions? Licensed products are just a stream of nearly hands-free revenue. GW has never leveraged it's IP on the back of a licensed product.
No, not really. I just hope it might have an impact. We got a limited edition Bonesinger after DoW so maybe a limited edition Empire character is more of a realistic hope?
Bottle wrote: Considering they are the good guys for Total War, I hope GW will consider keeping a lot of the kits.
You think the video game will have any impact on GW's decisions? Licensed products are just a stream of nearly hands-free revenue. GW has never leveraged it's IP on the back of a licensed product.
Considering the release of Total War didn't stop GW from wasting the entire setting that the game is based on, I very much doubt that the inclusion in Total War will have any bearing on a kits discontinuation. To believe otherwise is just wishful thinking.
nettraper wrote:We will always find something that will keep us coming back for their miniatures.
Will we? 'We' didn't find enough to keep us coming back and keep WFB afloat. The squatting of TK doesn't readily translate to other TK fans just dropping their collection and buying stormcast.
nettraper wrote:We will always find something that will keep us coming back for their miniatures.
Will we? 'We' didn't find enough to keep us coming back and keep WFB afloat. The squatting of TK doesn't readily translate to other TK fans just dropping their collection and buying stormcast.
No we won't.
The "Customers will always buy from us because we are GW" is what GW wants to BELIEVE but in practice it's already proven that's not the case. If it was FB would still be selling strong, AOS would be roaring success and even 40k wouldn't be dropping in sales.
BUT GW doesn't provide something worth buying, players will be heading elsewhere. Inertia protects them for a while but as their sales show it's starting to catch up...
They could always make Settra & Co. a separate faction. If midgets can have "fyreslayers", Undead can have something as well. Settra did threaten Nagash he'll be back for him, after taking on Chaos Gods. If GW has taught me anything, it's that nothing is certain. They might re-release / resculpt them, along with round bases, and the army is still perfectly legal to play in Age of Sigmar (doubt anyone plays it without some comps, but I digress) :
From their e-mail to me :
Hello
Thank you for your e-mail.
As part of our regular range reviews we are retiring some of our venerable products from the range to make space for all the new
products we have released and plan to release. This includes the Tomb Kings range. The warscroll compendiums on our website still
have all the rules for using your miniatures in games of Warhammer Age of Sigmar. We have also added these products to our
in-store and online 'Last Chance To Buy’ sections so you can pick up any products you want before they are all gone.
I hope this helps, if you have any further queries please don't hesitate to get in touch,
Kind Regards
It is possible we might not have heard the last of Settra and the Tomb Kings. One can only hope.
Bottle wrote: Considering they are the good guys for Total War, I hope GW will consider keeping a lot of the kits.
You think the video game will have any impact on GW's decisions? Licensed products are just a stream of nearly hands-free revenue. GW has never leveraged it's IP on the back of a licensed product.
No, not really. I just hope it might have an impact. We got a limited edition Bonesinger after DoW so maybe a limited edition Empire character is more of a realistic hope?
Not sure what the point of a limited edition Empire character would be? To chuck into the bonfire that is WFB? The only models they care about are Sigmarites and some Chaos, the rest are just fuel.
Chikout wrote: I am genuinely surprised by everyone's reaction to this news. It was rumoured since the first endtimes rumours two years ago, that some armies were going to get cut. Since the Nagash endtimes book it has been clear that the tomb kings would be one of the first on the chopping block. My guess is that GW have not had any tomb kings produced in their factory since the end times began and have simply been working through inventory since then.
I'm not surprised the TK as a faction got axed, but I am surprised they didn't re-fluff their latest generation plastic kits as part of some other faction like they did with plague rats. Seems like a waste of very good molds.
Main problem with keeping the more modern kits is that there are none. Even the newer TK stuff is still based on the 5th ed skeleton design, which just looks completely out of place in a game that has the (much more popular) completely different looking modern vamp count skittles. TK archers and skeletons and horsemen are all more 5th ed skeletons. Even the plastic Tomb Guard are 5th ed type skeletons with fancier armor and weapons, and the snake rider and sphinx kits have more of those tomb guard riding them.
There's not a single TK plastic kit not tainted by this problem, and everything else is in finecast. That on top of the range pretty much always being among the worst if not the worst seller for fantasy - Yeah, it was a cool army, conceptually, and it had some dedicated fans, but Tomb Kings really should never have been separated from vamp counts in the first place.
Anyway, it wouldn't shock me at all to see a plastic version off something like ushabti or a bone giant in the future, or new plastic skeleton archers or chariots. The undead are one fourth of the superfactions in this game, and with the TK line retired they're really dying for some new releases to back that up. Not that anything's coming any time soon, else this book would have been delayed till after. We're probably at least a year or two away from new undead anything, assuming AoS even survives that long.
Malisteen wrote: Main problem with keeping the more modern kits is that there are none. Even the newer TK stuff is still based on the 5th ed skeleton design, which just looks completely out of place in a game that has the (much more popular) completely different looking modern vamp count skittles. TK archers and skeletons and horsemen are all more 5th ed skeletons. Even the plastic Tomb Guard are 5th ed type skeletons with fancier armor and weapons, and the snake rider and sphinx kits have more of those tomb guard riding them.
There's not a single TK plastic kit not tainted by this problem, and everything else is in finecast. That on top of the range pretty much always being among the worst if not the worst seller for fantasy - Yeah, it was a cool army, conceptually, and it had some dedicated fans, but Tomb Kings really should never have been separated from vamp counts in the first place.
I think the only real problematic TK sets were the core skeletons that were based on the 5th ed kit. It's the one with bad poses and skulls that are ginormous.
All the other stuff didn't look nearly as bad.
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Chikout wrote: One of the earliest rumours was that the lizard men would disappear but they have their own book now.
I'm not sure there were any genuine rumours that Lizardmen were going so much as it was assumed based on the way they were decimated and then left the planet, but that was largely before we knew about how the story was advancing.
One thing to consider is that the Lizardmen surviving - contrary to many expectations - is probably due to their reasonably unique nature. I mean, 'bipedial lizards with weapons' is not exactly a unique idea, but the relatively distinct visual notes in the GW range - and the themes of astrology, Grand Plan, etc - are perhaps what kept them alive. I think that they were kept on not only for being good sellers (unlike my beloved tombies) but also because they fit into the need to create a unique and distinctly novel setting for the game. Fyreslayers - fairly distinct from the traditional Dwarf concept. Stormcasts - being essentially a Sci-Fi faction, fairly distinct in fantasy terms. Bipedial lizards who are summoned by astrologers in space ships - closer to Stargate than Tolkien, and pretty distinct.
We should probably consider the existing model ranges in this light. Some things will make the cut just for good sales, or for being foundational - so Chaos Warriors are still around, as they are the visual bedrock of a large part of the Chaos range. Other things will go, because they cannot be made into part of this new and distinct setting, either visually or fluffwise.
It is quite interesting to watch, actually: the attempt to create a new setting, but one mostly based on the models of the old. The really interesting bit, as many have mentioned, is going to be the Elves; it is tough to look different when it comes to Elves, and I think that GW will be wanting to really capture some new ground with their next attempt at the Elven concept. I know very little about the fluff of AoS, so don't want to speculate, but would be interested to hear what those who have been following the storyline might expect.
Mario wrote: Just like the new big chaos knights are technically not a replacement for the old model (they even have different rules) but will be the only thing that looks and works like a chaos knight that you can buy once the transition is over.
That transition would be a long ways out, considering the Chaos Knights just got reboxed and are included in the Start Collecting set and the Lord Heldrath set.
Could it be that they just have boxes of them sitting somewhere and want to sell them? My guess is that once they run out of sprues/boxes there won't be any new Chaos Knights (just the new big ones). It is conceivable that slow WHFB sales have left GW with too much Fantasy stock that needs to be moved somehow and yes that could mean that the transitions is long. Have the Start Collecting and the Lord Heldrath sets discounts or are they full price? Betting on a new box (and bundles) might be, for now, cheaper (or have more potential) than outright destroying/recycling whatever they have left. I don't know what their plan is but it might be that they want to try to make as much money as they can from the old existing stuff before dropping it.
Technically it's not gone. If you have an army you still have the warscrolls to use it. You just might not get an update, ever (both miniatures and rules).
No surprise with the TK. How many different boxes of skeletons do you really need?
I'm guessing "generic fantasy"stuff is being trimmed, so big cuts (but not complete removal) of men, elves and maybe orcs/goblins. I wonder if they will continue to cut the "worst" line in each case or leave the best models.
I doubt that anything that is in one of the new printed books will be going in the foreseeable future.
It is quite interesting to watch, actually: the attempt to create a new setting, but one mostly based on the models of the old. The really interesting bit, as many have mentioned, is going to be the Elves; it is tough to look different when it comes to Elves, and I think that GW will be wanting to really capture some new ground with their next attempt at the Elven concept. I know very little about the fluff of AoS, so don't want to speculate, but would be interested to hear what those who have been following the storyline might expect.
The state of the Elves in the Realms is both the biggest thing GW has been been hush-hush on and at the same time most pivotal in the setting.
When the Realms settled in and the Elven gods Allarielle, Tyrion (and Teclis) and Malerion (and Morathi) awoke they were mighty puzzled by the distinct lack of Elves throughout the Realms. The only Elves to be found were in Azyr, those being the survivors of the End Times who (I believe) made their way to the Realms through the chaos realms fighting their way out or were returned to life from the scarred remnants of Mallus aka the World-That-Was. Thus we get the Highborn, Exiles, and Wanderer factions who represent the old Elf models.
Now not too long in the Elven gods discovered they could hear the souls of the Elves-in the belly of Slaanesh who had slunk off after devouring them to recover. Due to Shenanigans on Tzeenth's part Slaanesh's location was revealed to Tyrion and Malerion who left Sigmar's Alliance to capture Slaanesh this weakening Sigmar's alliance. (Which as anyone who has read a thread complaining about AOS seems to be the biggest thing people complain about-the Elven gods beat the crap out of Slaanesh and now he/she is missing from the setting but Slaanesh's followers are still roaming around looking to free or replace their lost God).
What happened when they found and defeated Slaanesh is the big thing that GW has been hush on. We don't know what the state of these Elves are, if Tyrion and Malerion have succeeded in extracting the souls of the Elves from Slaanesh or WHAT?!? My view is that when GW decides to release the new Elf factions they will also have a campaign focused on freeing or defeating Slaanesh.
The biggest guess is that the Elven gods succeeded in freeing the Elf souls and they became the new inhabitants of the Realms of Light (ruled by Tyrion) and the Realm of Shadows (ruled by Malerion). We have heard only a few, bare mentions of Hyish/Light and nothing about its inhabitants (but there is a Short story featuring a Khornate human making war on a city in the Realm of Light. Have not read it but I think the defenders are human). The Shadow Realm (hehe) is more interesting because more numerous mentions are made of "Shadow Daemons" who may owe allegiance to Morathi or Malerion. Possibly these are the souls of Dark Elves transformed? There is a picture of presumably Malerion in the AOS primer and he looks quite daemonic.
So that's what we know so far. Allegedly the Chamon Dwarves under Grungi will get a release late in the year, any Aelf release may be in 2017.
It is quite interesting to watch, actually: the attempt to create a new setting, but one mostly based on the models of the old. The really interesting bit, as many have mentioned, is going to be the Elves; it is tough to look different when it comes to Elves, and I think that GW will be wanting to really capture some new ground with their next attempt at the Elven concept. I know very little about the fluff of AoS, so don't want to speculate, but would be interested to hear what those who have been following the storyline might expect.
The state of the Elves in the Realms is both the biggest thing GW has been been hush-hush on and at the same time most pivotal in the setting.
When the Realms settled in and the Elven gods Allarielle, Tyrion (and Teclis) and Malerion (and Morathi) awoke they were mighty puzzled by the distinct lack of Elves throughout the Realms. The only Elves to be found were in Azyr, those being the survivors of the End Times who (I believe) made their way to the Realms through the chaos realms fighting their way out or were returned to life from the scarred remnants of Mallus aka the World-That-Was. Thus we get the Highborn, Exiles, and Wanderer factions who represent the old Elf models.
Now not too long in the Elven gods discovered they could hear the souls of the Elves-in the belly of Slaanesh who had slunk off after devouring them to recover. Due to Shenanigans on Tzeenth's part Slaanesh's location was revealed to Tyrion and Malerion who left Sigmar's Alliance to capture Slaanesh this weakening Sigmar's alliance. (Which as anyone who has read a thread complaining about AOS seems to be the biggest thing people complain about-the Elven gods beat the crap out of Slaanesh and now he/she is missing from the setting but Slaanesh's followers are still roaming around looking to free or replace their lost God).
What happened when they found and defeated Slaanesh is the big thing that GW has been hush on. We don't know what the state of these Elves are, if Tyrion and Malerion have succeeded in extracting the souls of the Elves from Slaanesh or WHAT?!? My view is that when GW decides to release the new Elf factions they will also have a campaign focused on freeing or defeating Slaanesh.
The biggest guess is that the Elven gods succeeded in freeing the Elf souls and they became the new inhabitants of the Realms of Light (ruled by Tyrion) and the Realm of Shadows (ruled by Malerion). We have heard only a few, bare mentions of Hyish/Light and nothing about its inhabitants (but there is a Short story featuring a Khornate human making war on a city in the Realm of Light. Have not read it but I think the defenders are human). The Shadow Realm (hehe) is more interesting because more numerous mentions are made of "Shadow Daemons" who may owe allegiance to Morathi or Malerion. Possibly these are the souls of Dark Elves transformed? There is a picture of presumably Malerion in the AOS primer and he looks quite daemonic.
So that's what we know so far. Allegedly the Chamon Dwarves under Grungi will get a release late in the year, any Aelf release may be in 2017.
There was some speculation of Slaaneshi "chaos elves", but I doubt we will see anything new for the grand alliances that have had books published.
That speculation I believe is tied into a belief Morathi is one of the contenders to replace Slaanesh as Ur-Slaanesh. I think that may be a possibility but I can't see any new Chaos Elves. I am thinking most likely Light Elves and Shadow Elves.
The biggest guess is that the Elven gods succeeded in freeing the Elf souls and they became the new inhabitants of the Realms of Light (ruled by Tyrion) and the Realm of Shadows (ruled by Malerion). We have heard only a few, bare mentions of Hyish/Light and nothing about its inhabitants (but there is a Short story featuring a Khornate human making war on a city in the Realm of Light. Have not read it but I think the defenders are human). The Shadow Realm (hehe) is more interesting because more numerous mentions are made of "Shadow Daemons" who may owe allegiance to Morathi or Malerion. Possibly these are the souls of Dark Elves transformed? There is a picture of presumably Malerion in the AOS primer and he looks quite daemonic.
We have seen nothing relating to "Shadow Daemons". We have seen the name "Shadowkin", associated with one of the Fyreslayer Warbands and a direct mention being made of Malerion.
Additionally, the reason why "Malerion" looks the way he does? It's not because of him being daemonic. His final demise during the aftermath of the End Times resulted in him and his dragon, Seraphon, being somehow melded together. The final details aren't known, just that he's been somehow melded with a Black Dragon.
The biggest guess is that the Elven gods succeeded in freeing the Elf souls and they became the new inhabitants of the Realms of Light (ruled by Tyrion) and the Realm of Shadows (ruled by Malerion). We have heard only a few, bare mentions of Hyish/Light and nothing about its inhabitants (but there is a Short story featuring a Khornate human making war on a city in the Realm of Light. Have not read it but I think the defenders are human). The Shadow Realm (hehe) is more interesting because more numerous mentions are made of "Shadow Daemons" who may owe allegiance to Morathi or Malerion. Possibly these are the souls of Dark Elves transformed? There is a picture of presumably Malerion in the AOS primer and he looks quite daemonic.
We have seen nothing relating to "Shadow Daemons". We have seen the name "Shadowkin", associated with one of the Fyreslayer Warbands and a direct mention being made of Malerion.
Additionally, the reason why "Malerion" looks the way he does? It's not because of him being daemonic. His final demise during the aftermath of the End Times resulted in him and his dragon, Seraphon, being somehow melded together. The final details aren't known, just that he's been somehow melded with a Black Dragon.
Do you have references? I can confirm the "Shadowkin" bit from the Lodges part of the Fyreslayer Battletome but I have yet to see any confirmation of the Malekith/Seraphon merger. When we first heard the name Malerion I saw quite a few people taking what looked like stabs in the dark that Malekith had become Malerion because of a merger with Seraphon. Which I think is indeed bunk because Malerion seems to be able to shift his form or at least become corporeal.
From the Age of Sigmar rulebook pg 66 "The Lands of Grey Shadow: The begin that awoke in shifting shadow was confused. Gone was his physical form and only slowly did memory of the world's ending return. He could not control his solidity which frustrated him...with fury came corporeality and thus Malerion explored the thirteen domains of Ulgu...Only when Malerion came upon a glade of shadow daemons did he feel the spark of recognition, At the center of the bacchanal was his mother."
DarkBlack wrote: I'm guessing "generic fantasy"stuff is being trimmed, so big cuts (but not complete removal) of men, elves and maybe orcs/goblins.
An interesting hypothesis, but not one that holds up to scrutiny. After all, they just chopped the less generic undead line. And they've been continuing to put out very generic chaos barbarians. We've also been seeing highly specific special characters with unique identities removed, to be replaced by generic character entries. Generic "wight king with black axe", which cannot be protected by any sort of copyright, replacing the IPable 'Krell', for instance.
Cutting of old lines is regrettable, but to be expected. But rather than IP concerns, I believe it's sales that will be the deciding factor. Shame, then, that this guillotine happens to be coming down after an edition tailor made to make Bretts an unpopular army even if they hadn't been already. Honestly, I'm kind of surprised that the Beastmen survived the first round of cuts.
Sad for the TK to be removed. Personally I had all the models I'll ever need for my TK army (I have about 10k of TK), but it still sucks to have an army gone.
Although I would have expected the newest kit to remain; Tomb Guards, Sphinxes and Necro Serpent. They could have been part of Neferata army at least to keep that Egyptian-vide from the ancient queen.
With that I kinda expect a lot of things to be removed too. Bretonnian seems a given, there's a lot of redundancy in the Elves now so some of them might go as well (plus the HE core ar quite old), the Empire might get the historical-looking stuff removed (so that's a lot of units), if not all the things that have Karl Franz plastered everywhere. The Orcs also have lots of old models that might not make it.
It might seem rubbish now but I'm excited to see what GW have in store for AOS I'm a fan of the Stormcasts style and I think the fyreslayers look good as well, Archaon looks awesome on his giant beast, the seraphon could use a bit of beefing up but I'm sure GW will bring some epic looking models for the newer faction's. I think we just need to take a leaf out of the jedi handbook and learn patience.... :-)
Sword Of Caliban wrote: It might seem rubbish now but I'm excited to see what GW have in store for AOS I'm a fan of the Stormcasts style and I think the fyreslayers look good as well, Archaon looks awesome on his giant beast, the seraphon could use a bit of beefing up but I'm sure GW will bring some epic looking models for the newer faction's. I think we just need to take a leaf out of the jedi handbook and learn patience.... :-)
I don't think "buy it now and if you're patient it might be good later" is much of a marketing tactic.
Sword Of Caliban wrote: It might seem rubbish now but I'm excited to see what GW have in store for AOS I'm a fan of the Stormcasts style and I think the fyreslayers look good as well, Archaon looks awesome on his giant beast, the seraphon could use a bit of beefing up but I'm sure GW will bring some epic looking models for the newer faction's. I think we just need to take a leaf out of the jedi handbook and learn patience.... :-)
I don't think "buy it now and if you're patient it might be good later" is much of a marketing tactic.
Quite the opposite for those of us stuck with piles of worthless (or soon to be) plastic. I can understand excitement in people just entering the game; maybe they'll buy some of my Ogres before they're put in the "last chance" pyre of the GW store.
Sword Of Caliban wrote: It might seem rubbish now but I'm excited to see what GW have in store for AOS I'm a fan of the Stormcasts style and I think the fyreslayers look good as well, Archaon looks awesome on his giant beast, the seraphon could use a bit of beefing up but I'm sure GW will bring some epic looking models for the newer faction's. I think we just need to take a leaf out of the jedi handbook and learn patience.... :-)
I don't think "buy it now and if you're patient it might be good later" is much of a marketing tactic.
Quite the opposite for those of us stuck with piles of worthless (or soon to be) plastic. I can understand excitement in people just entering the game; maybe they'll buy some of my Ogres before they're put in the "last chance" pyre of the GW store.
Wait, which models are worthless? If you're talking TKs, they'll remain in the app for you to use them in games.
Sword Of Caliban wrote: It might seem rubbish now but I'm excited to see what GW have in store for AOS I'm a fan of the Stormcasts style and I think the fyreslayers look good as well, Archaon looks awesome on his giant beast, the seraphon could use a bit of beefing up but I'm sure GW will bring some epic looking models for the newer faction's. I think we just need to take a leaf out of the jedi handbook and learn patience.... :-)
I don't think "buy it now and if you're patient it might be good later" is much of a marketing tactic.
Quite the opposite for those of us stuck with piles of worthless (or soon to be) plastic. I can understand excitement in people just entering the game; maybe they'll buy some of my Ogres before they're put in the "last chance" pyre of the GW store.
Wait, which models are worthless? If you're talking TKs, they'll remain in the app for you to use them in games.
GW doesn't have a great track record with supporting models with rules once they no longer make them. If AoS's rules ever change, what bet these oop models will get rules?
Never mind, I'm just being negative cause of all the minis in my closet.
Sword Of Caliban wrote: It might seem rubbish now but I'm excited to see what GW have in store for AOS I'm a fan of the Stormcasts style and I think the fyreslayers look good as well, Archaon looks awesome on his giant beast, the seraphon could use a bit of beefing up but I'm sure GW will bring some epic looking models for the newer faction's. I think we just need to take a leaf out of the jedi handbook and learn patience.... :-)
I don't think "buy it now and if you're patient it might be good later" is much of a marketing tactic.
Quite the opposite for those of us stuck with piles of worthless (or soon to be) plastic. I can understand excitement in people just entering the game; maybe they'll buy some of my Ogres before they're put in the "last chance" pyre of the GW store.
Wait, which models are worthless? If you're talking TKs, they'll remain in the app for you to use them in games.
Sword Of Caliban wrote: It might seem rubbish now but I'm excited to see what GW have in store for AOS I'm a fan of the Stormcasts style and I think the fyreslayers look good as well, Archaon looks awesome on his giant beast, the seraphon could use a bit of beefing up but I'm sure GW will bring some epic looking models for the newer faction's. I think we just need to take a leaf out of the jedi handbook and learn patience.... :-)
I don't think "buy it now and if you're patient it might be good later" is much of a marketing tactic.
Quite the opposite for those of us stuck with piles of worthless (or soon to be) plastic. I can understand excitement in people just entering the game; maybe they'll buy some of my Ogres before they're put in the "last chance" pyre of the GW store.
Wait, which models are worthless? If you're talking TKs, they'll remain in the app for you to use them in games.
Or at least until they decide to make AoS MkII.
Yes indeed... Luckily Tomb Kings exist in both KoW and 9th Age then
The Trials of the Everchosen is getting even closer so here is another Battleplan from the upcoming weekend to whet your appetite. Keep an eye for more this week!
Sword Of Caliban wrote: It might seem rubbish now but I'm excited to see what GW have in store for AOS I'm a fan of the Stormcasts style and I think the fyreslayers look good as well, Archaon looks awesome on his giant beast, the seraphon could use a bit of beefing up but I'm sure GW will bring some epic looking models for the newer faction's. I think we just need to take a leaf out of the jedi handbook and learn patience.... :-)
I don't think "buy it now and if you're patient it might be good later" is much of a marketing tactic.
Quite the opposite for those of us stuck with piles of worthless (or soon to be) plastic. I can understand excitement in people just entering the game; maybe they'll buy some of my Ogres before they're put in the "last chance" pyre of the GW store.
Wait, which models are worthless? If you're talking TKs, they'll remain in the app for you to use them in games.
Or at least until they decide to make AoS MkII.
Yes indeed... Luckily Tomb Kings exist in both KoW and 9th Age then
Mymearan wrote: Yes indeed... Luckily Tomb Kings exist in both KoW and 9th Age then
Unfortunately, even if all three systems continue to support TK, with the production of new models ended it limits the ability of new players to start a TK army, or even for existing players to expand it. Admittedly, there is the second hand market, but these are a finite resource, and based on other OOPGW miniatures as availability lessens the cost will increase.
Vermis wrote: Which, judging by the turnover of 40K 6th ed, should be about, ooh... next Tuesday.
What's wrong with you? Every post I have seen you write is negative!!! Do you even enjoy wargaming???
Yes, that's why he's ragging on GW.
Because obviously GW is all of wargaming, the alpha and omega of mini-tabletop-wargaming, no other company exists....obviously.
Can anyone else think of what I can do with all of my Ogres? Converting them to Ogryn an option, traiter Ogryn?
I am looking for an Ogre Mercenary for my Mordheim Warbands
Or he could use them under the Ogre rules for KOW, they look better the official Ogres for that game (I still like the Mantic Ogres but GW's are some the best miniatures they ever did)
Vermis wrote: Which, judging by the turnover of 40K 6th ed, should be about, ooh... next Tuesday.
What's wrong with you? Every post I have seen you write is negative!!! Do you even enjoy wargaming???
Yes, that's why he's ragging on GW.
Because obviously GW is all of wargaming, the alpha and omega of mini-tabletop-wargaming, no other company exists....obviously.
Can anyone else think of what I can do with all of my Ogres? Converting them to Ogryn an option, traiter Ogryn?
I am looking for an Ogre Mercenary for my Mordheim Warbands
Or he could use them under the Ogre rules for KOW, they look better the official Ogres for that game (I still like the Mantic Ogres but GW's are some the best miniatures they ever did)
The sad thing is that AoS killed fantasy around here; I have seen one game of KoW played in the last 6 months and that's been it.
What's wrong with you? Every post I have seen you write is negative!!! Do you even enjoy wargaming???
Spoiler:
Not as good a one as that latest battleplan, though.
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Or if you want a bit more detail: unlike Ronin I think GW does some things right, and I still buy GW minis. (Though scrabbling for the best discounts, it has to be said.) But I'm concerned that the minis I'm collecting might go the way of the tomb kings, and I agree with Ronin that as a ruleset, I don't consider AoS to be the best use for those minis anyway. Given the apparent uptake of AoS so far, maybe I'm not the only one. Hence the possiblity of AoS 2nd edition (Warhammer 10th?) coming around sooner rather than later.
But not as soon as next Tuesday. That was an intentional exaggeration in a satirical fashion to hopefully evoke a humourous response. AoS isn't going anywhere for a while.
Can anyone else think of what I can do with all of my Ogres? Converting them to Ogryn an option, traiter Ogryn?
I am looking for an Ogre Mercenary for my Mordheim Warbands
Or he could use them under the Ogre rules for KOW, they look better the official Ogres for that game (I still like the Mantic Ogres but GW's are some the best miniatures they ever did)
I should resurrect my old imperial ogres project for Dragon Rampant. It lets me do that Moot-tribe-with-halflings idea without the 'freedom' to shoehorn halflings into gnoblar or goblin profiles. (I'd go for KoW or Mayhem but that much 28mm converting might kill me, and I can't afford that many C11 halflings)
Just a head's up to anyone interested. The Tomb King with Sword and Board appears to be back in stock, according to the e-mail I just received. I successfully completed my order so it doesn't seem like an error.
VeteranNoob wrote: Really like their current range but they could have easily fixed this with making the army current but I get it. Still think in 3-6 weeks up pops the AoSTK so hopefully all players don't knee-jerk sell off their armies.
MacMuckles wrote: Just a head's up to anyone interested. The Tomb King with Sword and Board appears to be back in stock, according to the e-mail I just received. I successfully completed my order so it doesn't seem like an error.
MacMuckles wrote: Just a head's up to anyone interested. The Tomb King with Sword and Board appears to be back in stock, according to the e-mail I just received. I successfully completed my order so it doesn't seem like an error.
But going by the skull timer (it doesn't use sand, but teeny-tiny skullz) it's one of the items on last chance to buy?
Yeah, that's strange. 'Discontinued, available while stock lasts' doesn't usually come with 'until we move stock around' or 'until we make more' tacked on the end.
It seems logical to me. The stores have Last chance to buy sections to. The sensible thing to do would be to ask stores to send stuff back once the warehouse stock has run out as they are more likely to sell online than in any one store. I think it will be awhile until GW is completely sold out of tomb kings stuff.
Yeah. But the UK site, at least, labels that model as sold out. Will Canada already have to send back half it's supply of tomb kings with sword and shield, to cater to UK demand?
I woke up to an e-mail telling me it shipped, so it's legit. The model was actually listed as Temporarily Out of Stock when the range went on Last Chance to Buy, and I filled out the notification field with my e-mail in a naive hope that I'd get a chance to buy it. Little did I know that it'd come true.
So... except for the crappy old plastics, the rest seem to sell out nearly instantly.
Are these genuine buyers or are ebay scalpers buying them in bulk to sell at profit in a few weeks/months?
Or was stock really that low?
If it's all single purchases from game players getting them before they vanish, then surely GW would be able to see how many people are still wanting them?
I wonder how long it has been since any tomb kings were produced in their factory? They could have stopped production when the end times was in its planning phase. The fact that the Tomb kings were essentially cut in the Nagash end times book, could be the reason why they are the first army to be cut from AOS.
I'm not sure about stores sending product back. I purchased a necrotect finecast model ad I didn't own one yet. It arrived miscast, with only half it's whip. I took a picture and sent it to gw. They gave me a refund and said they could not send me a replacement as there are no more... sold out for good :(
Well now I guess the question is do I grab what I need for my O&G and Ogre army now? Or wait and see? I don't want to get burned like with the Tomb Kings.
So will this be another no-model release? Just a book? I'm intrigued on what will stay and what will go. I have a Night Goblin/Forest Goblin force with River Trolls - not worried about anything being dropped from those lines (maybe generic goblins will bite the dust?)
The only models I would worry about (IMHO) are the generic Orcs and the generic Goblins. I can see GW moving to strictly Savage Orcs and Night Goblins.
Ghaz wrote: The only models I would worry about (IMHO) are the generic Orcs and the generic Goblins. I can see GW moving to strictly Savage Orcs and Night Goblins.
I had the same idea but the "start collecting" deal did put them back on the map again.
Crossing fingers for some plastic champs and plastic squigs, maybe some army deals with good discounts too.
Ghaz wrote: The only models I would worry about (IMHO) are the generic Orcs and the generic Goblins. I can see GW moving to strictly Savage Orcs and Night Goblins.
I had the same idea but the "start collecting" deal did put them back on the map again.
Crossing fingers for some plastic champs and plastic squigs, maybe some army deals with good discounts too.
True, but it could always be a 'last chance' for them to see if they sell well enough to keep.
Frozocrone wrote: Will GW still leave the rules for TK on their site or are they gone/going too?
When I asked Customer Service about the future of TK they said:
The Warscroll Compendiums on our website still have all of the rules for using your miniatures in games of Warhammer Age of Sigmar, so you can continue to field Tomb Kings in your games.
I can't imagine they'd remove them as it's no cost to them to continue to host them, but that said, there's also no cost to you to go ahead and download them all now.
Yeah Gnoblars, Common Goblins and Wolf Riders are probably gone. AS well as Goblin Chariots, Rock Lobber, Spear Chukka. Probably Stone Trolls and Common Trolls as well.
For Ogres (Besides the Gnoblars), Yetis, Gorger, and possibly Maneaters?
Pariah-Miniatures wrote: Good let them get the boring armies out of the way so we can have long winded awesome releases for factions most people care about
Yea, like those Sigmarines right? I've heard people care about those a lot.
Was that sarcasm or a bit too blatant trolling btw?
Pariah-Miniatures wrote: Good let them get the boring armies out of the way so we can have long winded awesome releases for factions most people care about
Yea, like those Sigmarines right? I've heard people care about those a lot.
Was that sarcasm or a bit too blatant trolling btw?
I think the allure of the Stormcast and khorne things was fleeting because of how drawn out and redundant the releases were (splitting of the units in the starter box).
I'm not fond of either, as I think many are. I'm merely pointing out that order of destruction is more than likely a low-man on the pole of what people actually want to see released, which would be whatever iteration all the elfs are in now, forces of order, chaos NOT khorne or nurgle, and skaven.
I am hoping the Orc release is swift and small, similar to what the pecks got.
Pariah-Miniatures wrote: Good let them get the boring armies out of the way so we can have long winded awesome releases for factions most people care about
Yea, like those Sigmarines right? I've heard people care about those a lot.
Was that sarcasm or a bit too blatant trolling btw?
I think the allure of the Stormcast and khorne things was fleeting because of how drawn out and redundant the releases were (splitting of the units in the starter box).
I'm not fond of either, as I think many are. I'm merely pointing out that order of destruction is more than likely a low-man on the pole of what people actually want to see released, which would be whatever iteration all the elfs are in now, forces of order, chaos NOT khorne or nurgle, and skaven.
I am hoping the Orc release is swift and small, similar to what the pecks got.
I dont... and always thought that O&G was one of the big warhammer factions... then again you seem to know what people want
I'm with Bottle- Iron Jaws or just some bigger Black Orcs, Big 'Uns, Orruk "Nobbzz," whatever...
A plastic wyvern would be nice, especially if it was done similar to how the Carnosaurs were done- have a few options for heads, tail barbs, riders... could be cool if you could build it as something totally different.
Yeah, I agree. I'm not sure what it would be called so I just wrote Wyvern. The next fluff book/fiction probably will come out after the release period begins, however many weeks that will be, so no spoilers there for us, unfortunately.
I still want, as a collector of all giants from all game systems, a new multipurpose giant kit or whatever the hell they are called now. With FW scrolls apparently coming in March itching to put that 8.5" tall Bonegrinder on the table. I've fought vs 10 giants in 8th three years back for a fun game. But I would love to field a tribe of Giants in an AoS game now.
Judging by what we've seen so far, GW is cleaning things up. So old kits or lines with many old kits will be dropped instead of being replaced and redundant kits (i.e. something that has a similar, but better, kit) being dropped. Not sure what qualifies in destruction, but I wouldn't be surprised to see some of the generic lines go.
As far as new stuff goes, GW has gone for big and expensive centerpiece lately. So either that or the Ragnarok Spider (and ogre mosterS) is good enough and nothing new (like Death already had the Nagash model).
From what I've been told about Marchs O&G releases, we'll see a big monster, an infantry unit, a cavalry unit, and several clampack characters. Plus the obvious book of course.
Of course they might rename it a wyveroth or something
"No, no! It's totally not a wyvern! It's got a totally different name, see?"
VeteranNoob wrote:I still want, as a collector of all giants from all game systems, a new multipurpose giant kit or whatever the hell they are called now.
From what I've been told about Marchs O&G releases, we'll see a big monster, an infantry unit, a cavalry unit, and several clampack characters. Plus the obvious book of course.
NICE!
Really need some cool plastic characters specially shamans. As for Infantry I would love Squig herders, for cavalry squig hoppers and big monster a gigantic squig. That would be the perfect Squig update.
But I bet we will have something totally new.
Quite exited with this since characters, that are not in finecast, are expensive and hard to find these days.
RazorEdge wrote: What is a Wyvern? I only knows Wyrms or Wyrmer.
In legend and folklore, a wyvern is a reptilian, dragon-like creature with two wings, two legs, and usually a venomous barb on it's tail. They've become the monstrous mount for Warhammer orcs. Among some people, especially in gamer culture (and possibly with a nerdy need to categorise things) it's strictly distinct from a dragon. If it's got two wings and four legs, it's a dragon. If it's got two wings and two legs, it can't be a dragon, it can only ever be a wyvern. It's a bit daft if you ask me.
Im covered with the best Wyvern on the market (mierce) so I really have no need for another one and I doubt that GW would come up with a better sculpt.
Really hope that the big nasty is something else.
RazorEdge wrote: What is a Wyvern? I only knows Wyrms or Wyrmer.
In legend and folklore, a wyvern is a reptilian, dragon-like creature with two wings, two legs, and usually a venomous barb on it's tail. They've become the monstrous mount for Warhammer orcs. Among some people, especially in gamer culture (and possibly with a nerdy need to categorise things) it's strictly distinct from a dragon. If it's got two wings and four legs, it's a dragon. If it's got two wings and two legs, it can't be a dragon, it can only ever be a wyvern. It's a bit daft if you ask me.
And that is why a lot of people are up in arms over Smaug.
I would be really happy and interested to see what new or redone units the O&G get. I'm dragging my feet a bit on a prospective goblin project wondering what will make the cut in the next grand alliance.
RazorEdge wrote: What is a Wyvern? I only knows Wyrms or Wyrmer.
In legend and folklore, a wyvern is a reptilian, dragon-like creature with two wings, two legs, and usually a venomous barb on it's tail. They've become the monstrous mount for Warhammer orcs. Among some people, especially in gamer culture (and possibly with a nerdy need to categorise things) it's strictly distinct from a dragon. If it's got two wings and four legs, it's a dragon. If it's got two wings and two legs, it can't be a dragon, it can only ever be a wyvern. It's a bit daft if you ask me.
RazorEdge wrote: What is a Wyvern? I only knows Wyrms or Wyrmer.
In legend and folklore, a wyvern is a reptilian, dragon-like creature with two wings, two legs, and usually a venomous barb on it's tail. They've become the monstrous mount for Warhammer orcs. Among some people, especially in gamer culture (and possibly with a nerdy need to categorise things) it's strictly distinct from a dragon. If it's got two wings and four legs, it's a dragon. If it's got two wings and two legs, it can't be a dragon, it can only ever be a wyvern. It's a bit daft if you ask me.
Anyway, using the rumor above I would like to see a plastic Wyvern with an option for a Warboss or Great Shaman rider, an updated Ork Boyz kit with hand weapon and shield/two hand weapons/great weapon/bow options, an updated Boar Chariot (not technically cavalry, but the Boar Boyz are relatively new and still good sculpts) and clampacks for Heroes both on foot and mounted...
RazorEdge wrote: What is a Wyvern? I only knows Wyrms or Wyrmer.
In legend and folklore, a wyvern is a reptilian, dragon-like creature with two wings, two legs, and usually a venomous barb on it's tail. They've become the monstrous mount for Warhammer orcs. Among some people, especially in gamer culture (and possibly with a nerdy need to categorise things) it's strictly distinct from a dragon. If it's got two wings and four legs, it's a dragon. If it's got two wings and two legs, it can't be a dragon, it can only ever be a wyvern. It's a bit daft if you ask me.
There's loads of different dragons in folklore, surely there's other dragons with two legs that aren't wyverns?
Eh, just got word that my first batch of O&G information was off a month. Sorry everybody, it will be April, not March. It seems like some Skaven repacks, more Stormcasts and something Khorne is coming during March.
Wonder what the Stormcast release could be? From the AoS box, only a Celestant on Dracoth is missing so maybe a dual kit with Dracoth/something other?
Some war machines maybe? A ballista or cannon would fit with the Judicators.
I sold my Stormcast to focus on my Chaos so I'm not very excited. I DO hope that they get something that looks unique and not just more Guys with Different Weapons.
Mymearan wrote: I sold my Stormcast to focus on my Chaos so I'm not very excited. I DO hope that they get something that looks unique and not just more Guys with Different Weapons.
While I quite like the aesthetic of the Stormcast, they are rather lacking in variety visually. Some war machines or cavalry or the guys from the art at the end of Balance of power would be good.
Chikout wrote: While I quite like the aesthetic of the Stormcast, they are rather lacking in variety visually. Some war machines or cavalry or the guys from the art at the end of Balance of power would be good.
Nope. Prosecutors(winged guys) fill the scout role. They fly ahead of the Stormhost and provide recon.
Isn't an important part of that to be... you know... stealthy? I mean I guess scouts don't HAVE to be, but having some sort of reconnaissance force that can remain undetected by the enemy for a prolonged period of time is just as important as being able to see the fields ahead of your advancing army.
Nope. Prosecutors(winged guys) fill the scout role. They fly ahead of the Stormhost and provide recon.
Isn't an important part of that to be... you know... stealthy? I mean I guess scouts don't HAVE to be, but having some sort of reconnaissance force that can remain undetected by the enemy for a prolonged period of time is just as important as being able to see the fields ahead of your advancing army.
Not necessarily. Modern armed forces have mechanized scout divisions which are mounted in things like the Stryker LAV.
In any regards, the Prosecutors could fill the scout role for the Warrior Chamber. We know there are more Chambers, and we know that the Knight Venator(the super Prosecutor with a monsterslaying bow) is a hero who acts as an assassin/huntsman.
Regarding scouts, that was actually one of my biggest annoyances/frustrations with the Stormcast Eternals range once we had their completed release range. Everything ended up with the exact same profile when you looked at them on the tabletop. Lighter armored scouts with cloaks/hoods would go a long way towards breaking up the visual boredom.
If Orcs are coming up soon then I'm mostly disappointed because it means I have to decide quickly whether I want to buy enough models to finish off my Orc and Goblin army or just throw it out the window
Hanskrampf wrote: Wonder what the Stormcast release could be? From the AoS box, only a Celestant on Dracoth is missing so maybe a dual kit with Dracoth/something other?
Some war machines maybe? A ballista or cannon would fit with the Judicators.
There's also no Lord Relictor outside of the starter box. I think more significantly, some Stormcast add reinforces the idea that factions will be receiving add-ons as we go, rather than waiting exclusively for the big release cycles of old.
Nope. Prosecutors(winged guys) fill the scout role. They fly ahead of the Stormhost and provide recon.
Isn't an important part of that to be... you know... stealthy? I mean I guess scouts don't HAVE to be, but having some sort of reconnaissance force that can remain undetected by the enemy for a prolonged period of time is just as important as being able to see the fields ahead of your advancing army.
They fly pretty high and I imagine their field of view is pretty good if they're "sigmarines"
From faeit212
This Week.
Start Collecting Skeleton Horde- 10 Skeleton Warriors, 5 Black Knights/Hexwraiths, and 1 Morghast of Nagash £50 €65
(This makes a saving of 33.50 over buying them indidually so not a bad deal.)
Start Collecting Skaven Pestilent £50 €65
Battletome: Skaven Pestilent £20 €28
The Virulent Horde £105 €140
Realmgate Wars: Warbeast
Legends of Sigmar
No reason to doubt this so close to release. It is good to see more start collecting boxes.
According to Lady Atia's blog, the hint for the following week is knights in shining armour. So probably a new version of the Dracoth. If is true that green skins are coming in April, that is quite a lot of releases in a row for AOS.
After every Pestilens unit I've painted, I've told myself that's the last time I'm painting Pestilens. A start collecting set could continue this horrible cycle.
Wow the start collecting boxes must be really popular! I know in my local GW they are constantly selling through the Lizardmen, Skitarii and Tau boxes.
Nice to see a cheaper battletome too. £20 sounds much more like it.
My first thought when the teaser said "knights in shining armour" was Dracoth Knights. Which would be pretty sweet! I suspect, though, that it's foot infantry.
I think the stormcasts are too big to look right on a horse or similar mount, I think if they were gonna do cavalry they would probably ride those dragony thingies like the guy in the starter set. I'd expect it to be a pack of 3 for too much money like those 3 big chaos knights from a little while ago... hopefully not so over the top that they make the starter set guy look less cool
I wonder if this is an insight into the inflexibility of GW's release schedule. We know from Sad Panda that it takes a year to take a completed box game to market. This suggest that GW are making their release schedule at least a year ahead of time. So when this upcoming release was planned AOS was still not out. I am sure they were banking on the Stormcast being the big exciting army at the centre of AOS.
So even if the head of Scheduling did stalk these forums it would take at least a year for our complaints to have an effect. Of course you could have argued that GW should have had the foresight to see that people would want more variety.
Regard the upcoming Stormcast release I am expecting it to be a direct analogy of the Varanguard. Three large (possibly lovely) models at a price that will prevent anyone from buying them.
Regarding the start collecting boxes, the splitting up of the warhammer armies into factions could be very good for people collecting 8th or 9th age armies. There are already 2 vampire count start collecting boxes. There will presumably be more skaven boxes in the future, and multiples of other armies too.
Everyone was clamouring for Stormcast cavalry during the release, and there are tons of Stormcast armies now. I don't think there's anything wrong with coming out with more, except that it makes you question the value of the battle tome.
coldgaming wrote: Everyone was clamouring for Stormcast cavalry during the release, and there are tons of Stormcast armies now. I don't think there's anything wrong with coming out with more, except that it makes you question the value of the battle tome.
Yep, the whole AOS community was clamoring for them. All 15 of them.
coldgaming wrote: Everyone was clamouring for Stormcast cavalry during the release, and there are tons of Stormcast armies now. I don't think there's anything wrong with coming out with more, except that it makes you question the value of the battle tome.
Yep, the whole AOS community was clamoring for them. All 15 of them.
Why post in the threads and forums about it if you're so bitter?
The virulent horde box set that is coming includes 20 plague monks, a plague claw, a plague furnace, a vermin Lord, 5 censor bearers and a plague priest. Thats £156 pounds individually but £105 for the box. If you order at the 20% off that many online stores do, it basically works out as half price. Not bad.
Sad Panda wrote: Excitement usually greater for 40K-stuff (and 30K-stuff), but as I've said in the past, 2016 is first and foremost the year of AoS (for GW).
Overall, AoS will get the most weekly releases, the most new models, the most books, etc...
I'm most excited about the board game you mentioned. Any more info would be greatly appreciated! But thanks for your hints as always :-)
Everyone please take note that while it is fine to comment on and criticise new products, if done wrongly this becomes trolling, which is against forum rules.
Chikout wrote: The virulent horde box set that is coming includes 20 plague monks, a plague claw, a plague furnace, a vermin Lord, 5 censor bearers and a plague priest. Thats £156 pounds individually but £105 for the box. If you order at the 20% off that many online stores do, it basically works out as half price. Not bad.
Has the Vermin Lord (and related builds) been removed from the GW store for re-boxing then? I can't find it.
Didn't expect them to include resin models in this bundle.
What I was first hoping for is a Clan Skryre reboxing. Would love some Stormfiends. Looking at the faction, however, and all the other models are resin or metal.
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Zognob Gorgoff wrote: That skeli horde is just what i was going to add to the other box set to finish my death army individually prices at £83.50 nice.
oh an step 3 is save £30 or use it to buy more models if you dont just want a skirmish force?
Sadly for anyone still playing Fantasy its a nice saving followed by the hassle of getting square bases lol.
I am thankful my goblins are nearly complete and I just need some squigs to round it off. I was hoping to get some Orcs to run along side them so will wait to see what they do with AoS....might get lucky and have a decent bundle
Like the Seraphon set, they do seem to be creating a really strange pricing issue. They need to drop the price of standalone Carnosaurs and Mortarchs or these boxes basically make them something only the uniformed would buy.
GW have a strong policy of not dropping their prices. Instead, they have started to offer bundles and cheap versions.
For example, upping the price of 40K codexes from £15 to £30, on the basis of the hardback version, caused a significant fall in sales, so GW have re-introduced softback versions for some armies, at the reduced price of only £25.
The Seraphon bundle with the Carnosaur, eight cavalry and 12 infantry for £50 is an extreme example, because the Carnosaur by itself is £50 so you're getting all the extra models for free. At atht GW are still making a jolly good profit because those Seraphon cavalry and infantry are such old models they cost almost nothing to make and shove into the box. The super value means GW will shift a skip load of the bundles. (I bought two.)
However, we will never see GW reduce the price of the 40K hardback to say £20, the softback to £15, and the Carnosaru to £35, which arguably is what they "ought" to cost. Instead, GW will allow inflation to gradually make the current prices seem reasonable.
While I am disappointed that the orruks are not here and am impatiently waiting to see what the elves have turned into I actually think the amount of support for Aos has been impressive.
Assuming the rumours are correct, within the first year of Aos, we will have had new miniatures for 6 factions, 2 big box sets (I am super curious about the contents of the board game. Sad Panda?), some kind of rule book for 9 factions, 3 or possibly 4 campaign books, 12 novels or short story compilations and 5 scenery pieces.
Back in the day we were lucky if we got 6 army books a year total across fantasy and 40k.
Are mods allowed to troll? Regarding the upcoming Stormcast release, this picture looks interesting. The extremis chamber is the cavalry. That leaves the ruination, sacrosanct and auxiliary chambers which have not been detailed in the fluff so far (as far I am aware). I wonder if they will get models too.
Chikout wrote: Are mods allowed to troll? Regarding the upcoming Stormcast release, this picture looks interesting. The extremis chamber is the cavalry. That leaves the ruination, sacrosanct and auxiliary chambers which have not been detailed in the fluff so far (as far I am aware). I wonder if they will get models too.
I don't think he was deliberately suggesting the design team were huffing gold spray paint when they created the Stormcast.
Chikout wrote: Are mods allowed to troll? Regarding the upcoming Stormcast release, this picture looks interesting. The extremis chamber is the cavalry. That leaves the ruination, sacrosanct and auxiliary chambers which have not been detailed in the fluff so far (as far I am aware). I wonder if they will get models too.
A wild stab in the dark:
Ruination: War Machines and artillery
Sacrosanct: Chaplain-like stuff, things like the Lord Relictor and some other priesty types
Auxillury... Not sure. Perhaps scouts/skirmishers, but that doesn't fit the aesthetic really. Human servants/levy in support of the Golden Boys, perhaps?
It's beyond me why anyone would want to *buy* GW skeletons.. they're so old and terrible looking, but whatever, to each their own.
I wonder if this is an insight into the inflexibility of GW's release schedule. We know from Sad Panda that it takes a year to take a completed box game to market. This suggest that GW are making their release schedule at least a year ahead of time. So when this upcoming release was planned AOS was still not out. I am sure they were banking on the Stormcast being the big exciting army at the centre of AOS.
So even if the head of Scheduling did stalk these forums it would take at least a year for our complaints to have an effect. Of course you could have argued that GW should have had the foresight to see that people would want more variety.
It's not all that difficult for most companies.. but GW doesn't do any kind of customer outreach or research into what we actually want. Nor do they know what models they release will be *powerful* and thus sell more, as they still believe that bad rules can somehow sell models.
Those start collecting boxes are mostly nice, but the ones could use the most are lacking in comparison. If the Orcs had that spider or teolls instead of thosr ugly plastic chars, oh my. The Clan Pestilens box is tempting as well, but my metal plague monks won't make the plastic monks less hideous in comparison, rather the reverse. New plastic censer bearers and monks are desperatly needed. And gutter runners. And Ratogres. And giant rats. And Poison Wind Globardiers. Sigh.
Maybe the boardgame should be Defenders of Humanity (Sigmarines, Not-Empir and Not-Bretons) against Blight Kings, Zombies and Pestilens. Everyone agrees, rightv
Kilkrazy wrote:GW have a strong policy of not dropping their prices. Instead, they have started to offer bundles and cheap versions.
For example, upping the price of 40K codexes from £15 to £30, on the basis of the hardback version, caused a significant fall in sales, so GW have re-introduced softback versions for some armies, at the reduced price of only £25.
Sorta reminds me of the supermarket trick of announcing their price drops... after putting the prices up, first.
The Seraphon bundle with the Carnosaur, eight cavalry and 12 infantry for £50 is an extreme example, because the Carnosaur by itself is £50 so you're getting all the extra models for free.
I still don't think that's good enough. They'd have to pay me to use those cold ones.
Instead, GW will allow inflation to gradually make the current prices seem reasonable.
GW - the only wargames company that bases their business strategy around recession.
Chikout wrote:am impatiently waiting to see what the elves have turned into
Yup.
I actually think the amount of support for Aos has been impressive.
Assuming the rumours are correct, within the first year of Aos, we will have had new miniatures for 6 factions, 2 big box sets (I am super curious about the contents of the board game. Sad Panda?), some kind of rule book for 9 factions, 3 or possibly 4 campaign books, 12 novels or short story compilations and 5 scenery pieces.
Back in the day we were lucky if we got 6 army books a year total across fantasy and 40k.
They certainly provide a lot of things (to buy) to play AoS with. But I think it still boils down to whether you want to play AoS in the first place.
Kilkrazy wrote:I think Sigmarine cavalry could be mounted on large Shire horses bulked up with late mediaeval style gold armour plate like the Sigmarines themselves.
Not sure if serious, but sigmarines are almost the size of (scale) shire horses themselves. Much as I'm bored of of fantasy producers and modellers sticking cavalry on any kind of kooky kreature rather than a good, solid horse, I think it might be the only route for hypothetical sigmarine cav.
Joyboozer wrote:
I don't think he was deliberately suggesting the design team were huffing gold spray paint when they created the Stormcast.
Chikout wrote: Are mods allowed to troll? Regarding the upcoming Stormcast release, this picture looks interesting. The extremis chamber is the cavalry. That leaves the ruination, sacrosanct and auxiliary chambers which have not been detailed in the fluff so far (as far I am aware). I wonder if they will get models too.
Yeah, it was a very obvious set up for these. Forget the exact wording, but it was essentially "Sigmar hasn't seen fit to deploy forces from these chambers yet."
My money for Stormcast Cavalry would be Dracoth Paladins, approximately the same power level as Varanguard at most.
I don't think horses would look right, no matter how big!
Someone mentioned Stormcast scouts; I can see the appeal, but I don't think that's happen - no point having Liberators established as a combat baseline and then introduce something more fragile; for all their parallels with Space Marines, Stormcast come out of the reforging process as Marines, there's no intermediate phase.
Still, wait and see I guess.
The Skeleton horde is a good deal, but I also didn't like the model count compared to other sets. I feel like they should have skipped the big model and gone with a more troopy box set.. though it still is a nice savings if you want the big model and don't mind the extra stuff.. kinda like the seraphon one.
Maybe this will be Sigmarine demigryphs but if they are then naturally they will come with new sculpts for the Siggies to ride.
Any of the BL fic throw in a passing mention or description of what they ride, if it's even ben touched on at all. New BL book up for preorder Friday and dramas at the end of March. I'm not gonna lie, I'm excited to see where it goes, especially since I'm not a SE player and thus immune to THIS impulse buy.
Chikout wrote: Are mods allowed to troll? Regarding the upcoming Stormcast release, this picture looks interesting. The extremis chamber is the cavalry. That leaves the ruination, sacrosanct and auxiliary chambers which have not been detailed in the fluff so far (as far I am aware). I wonder if they will get models too.
Yeah, it was a very obvious set up for these. Forget the exact wording, but it was essentially "Sigmar hasn't seen fit to deploy forces from these chambers yet."
My money for Stormcast Cavalry would be Dracoth Paladins, approximately the same power level as Varanguard at most.
I don't think horses would look right, no matter how big!
The gentleman in the AoS big box was described as being one of the first to have a Dracoth, so I think Dracoth Knights are a given at this point.
Someone mentioned Stormcast scouts; I can see the appeal, but I don't think that's happen - no point having Liberators established as a combat baseline and then introduce something more fragile; for all their parallels with Space Marines, Stormcast come out of the reforging process as Marines, there's no intermediate phase.
Still, wait and see I guess.
Stormcast come out of the reforging process as Liberators. But Stormcast are not the only people living in Sigmar's city.
Sad Panda wrote: Excitement usually greater for 40K-stuff (and 30K-stuff), but as I've said in the past, 2016 is first and foremost the year of AoS (for GW).
Overall, AoS will get the most weekly releases, the most new models, the most books, etc...
Out of interest, have your sources revealed any of the thinking behind that course of action to you? Like, did GW believe AoS was going to be a huge runaway success and locked-in a long and heavy release cycle in anticipation of that? Or did they anticipate the slow start and believe that really pushing the new stuff like Sigmarines in that first year will turn it around?
Bottle wrote: Vampire Counts Skeletons are the best on the market in my opinion. Show me better.
- the Stormcast Battletome is already out of date as soon as they get new units. I wonder if they'll keep selling it, or revise it with the new units?
They're the best plastics, I'd still give overall "best" to Otherworld's.
Any of the BL fic throw in a passing mention or description of what they ride, if it's even ben touched on at all.
They appeared in one, Ghal Maraz, I think (during the expedition in Chamon). Sideways mention, they were bashing Chaos people a little way from the main line of battle.
Kirasu wrote: It's beyond me why anyone would want to *buy* GW skeletons.. they're so old and terrible looking, but whatever, to each their own.
The Vampire Counts skeletons (which these are) are damn good, they don't look old at all. Are you thinking of the Tomb Kings ones? I'd agree with you there.
Out of interest, have your sources revealed any of the thinking behind that course of action to you? Like, did GW believe AoS was going to be a huge runaway success and locked-in a long and heavy release cycle in anticipation of that? Or did they anticipate the slow start and believe that really pushing the new stuff like Sigmarines in that first year will turn it around?
No.
I get glimpses of what's in the pipeline. Not why things are in the pipeline.
Any of the BL fic throw in a passing mention or description of what they ride, if it's even ben touched on at all.
They appeared in one, Ghal Maraz, I think (during the expedition in Chamon). Sideways mention, they were bashing Chaos people a little way from the main line of battle.
@Mongoose, sorry, one more question. Do you happen to know which author wrote that specific mention? I ask because I'm interviewing more BL authors next week and I'm wondering what nuggets I can pop out during the interview to get an idea for these type of things. There's a lot in the fiction since the models drive the fiction and in AoS being so new the fiction is coming out quick and rapidly fleshing out the world, though it has very very very far to go.
I think most people forget that GW's releases are planned up to three-four years in advance but usually at least two years, if you think about it the End Times and Age of Sigmar would have already had their models and stories ready in 2013-2014. There might be some exceptions to this rule but it essentially means that we won't be seeing the effects of our feedback to Age of Sigmar for at least a year I would imagine.
Of course, as I said earlier I don't buy into the Age of Sigmar bashing many seem fond of performing. I know someone from GW warehousing in Australia and they said that Age of Sigmar was outselling 40K in Australia for at least a good while, probably due to the new starter set. Regardless of surrounding factors, that's still bloody impressive given that Space Marines (as in the vanilla codex stuff, not Space Wolves/Dark Angels/etc) supposedly make up half of GW's total sales by themselves.
As to the Stormcast release itself, it really does sound like it will be Dracoth riders which will give the starter sets' Lord Celestant some buddies to hang with. Makes the most sense for a Stormcast Eternal cavalry unit based on established narrative and models. However, I wonder what the rest of the release will be as I highly doubt it will be just a single new kit. Still, I'm more intrigued by the Orc stuff as, unless I am mistaken, they are the first of the old world factions to get new models since Age of Sigmar started (unless you count the Chaos stuff that isn't Khorne Bloodbound, i.e. Archaon and the Varanguard).
@Sad Panda, as always, cheers for the information mate. Any ideas as to how big the Stormcast release is?
EDIT: Before anyone asks, no, I don't get any release info from the warehousing guy. He's a friend of a friend and basically told me the Age of Sigmar sales thing when we were having a discussion about the reception to the game.
I've been wanting a Mortarch anyways, and I seem to have acquired a fair amount of undead in the last few weeks.
Of course, if the Skaven set includes all the optional parts for the bell and catapult, that's even more tempting. I'd hoped for a Skyre set with a lightning cannon and stormfiends first, but I can settle for this.
What would be nice would be a revisit to Moulder's gorillas and all the Eshin monkeys. They're rats, not simians!
I've been wanting a Mortarch anyways, and I seem to have acquired a fair amount of undead in the last few weeks.
Of course, if the Skaven set includes all the optional parts for the bell and catapult, that's even more tempting. I'd hoped for a Skyre set with a lightning cannon and stormfiends first, but I can settle for this.
What would be nice would be a revisit to Moulder's gorillas and all the Eshin monkeys. They're rats, not simians!
I'm with you on the Skelly box. Been meaning to get a Mortarch basically since they were released.
And the skaven one will come with all the parts to make everything.
I would be tempted by the Mortarch box if I literally didn't just see my Tomb Kings get squatted. Do I have the heart (dust?) in me to return to the Undead for AoS?
Charles Rampant wrote: I would be tempted by the Mortarch box if I literally didn't just see my Tomb Kings get squatted. Do I have the heart (dust?) in me to return to the Undead for AoS?
Your army is still valid in games - you have full rules support - and you'll probably find people still selling either new or used Tomb Kings on eBay for a good long while if you want to expand them. Don't lose heart!
That box of cheaper black knights and skeletons, I'd buy 10 if it wasn't for that awful, awful videogamey mortarch there. I'm not paying for that ever, it sticks out like a sigmarine between cool models. It really was meant for AoS and next to a black knight is a great showcase of what happened to GW fantasy designs lately.
Damn, not more skaven. Don't get me wrong, I like skaven and love chaos, but we have been the sole focus for many months. It was nice to see death get some attention, even if they didn't get any new models yet. Was looking forward to destruction even though I don't play them.
As for stormcast eternals, I hope they don't release much. If they do, they are just invalidating the large stormcast book they released! GW, if you release a book, include all the damn units! Stop with the kooky cash grabs.
*rant over*
Well I hope destruction will get some live before the end of the month. I am not buying any more skaven, I have enough thanks.
There aren't any new models for Skaven, just repacks, a get started box and bundle and a battletome, and then Orruks in April, so not long before Destruction.
I don't like the Otherworld sculpts. I prefer plain expression skulls to evil scowling expressions and the poses look like they have rickets and jelly legs.
Chad Warden wrote: Release schedules are pretty much set in stone, arent they? Even if AoS is flopping they still have to release the models they have already sculpted
a shame, 2016 looks like it will be a terrible year
hopefully we get at least some demons that can be used in 40k
But didn't you hear? AoS can't be flopping 'cos a guy who works in the warehouse in Australia told his mate it wasn't
Wishful thinking (though i think if this happens GW will get a lot of gripe with their usage of "last chance to buy" -
Just like Krom gets a re-release in 40K. Some of the Tomb Kings models will be put in a "Start collecting! Reanimants" box set...1 Warsphinx, 3 Sepulchral Stalkers, and 10 Tomb Guards for $85. Wishful thinking of course...
akai wrote: Wishful thinking (though i think if this happens GW will get a lot of gripe with their usage of "last chance to buy" -
Just like Krom gets a re-release in 40K. Some of the Tomb Kings models will be put in a "Start collecting! Reanimants" box set...1 Warsphinx, 3 Sepulchral Stalkers, and 10 Tomb Guards for $85. Wishful thinking of course...
GW will always get gripes. Obviously it's worse online, but have you ever seen a more spiteful, hateful group of fans or customers than GW has? for whatever the reason...
VeteranNoob wrote: GW will always get gripes. Obviously it's worse online, but have you ever seen a more spiteful, hateful group of fans or customers than GW has? for whatever the reason...
Hey, now. Let's not forget all the hard work GW has put into growing that hateful group of fans.
akai wrote: Wishful thinking (though i think if this happens GW will get a lot of gripe with their usage of "last chance to buy" -
Just like Krom gets a re-release in 40K. Some of the Tomb Kings models will be put in a "Start collecting! Reanimants" box set...1 Warsphinx, 3 Sepulchral Stalkers, and 10 Tomb Guards for $85. Wishful thinking of course...
GW will always get gripes. Obviously it's worse online, but have you ever seen a more spiteful, hateful group of fans or customers than GW has? for whatever the reason...
So, if GW re-released Tomb Kings after putting them up as "last chance to buy", the following gripes would be a result of GW fans/ customers being uniquely spiteful and hateful? Stockholm Syndrome much?
Chad Warden wrote: Release schedules are pretty much set in stone, arent they? Even if AoS is flopping they still have to release the models they have already sculpted
a shame, 2016 looks like it will be a terrible year
hopefully we get at least some demons that can be used in 40k
I don't think anyone knows how "set in stone" it is. I'm sure it's planned a couple of years in advance, but I'd also imagine they have the capacity to push things back or even drop things completely and bring other things forward to fill the slots.
Chad Warden wrote: Release schedules are pretty much set in stone, arent they? Even if AoS is flopping they still have to release the models they have already sculpted
a shame, 2016 looks like it will be a terrible year
hopefully we get at least some demons that can be used in 40k
I don't think anyone knows how "set in stone" it is. I'm sure it's planned a couple of years in advance, but I'd also imagine they have the capacity to push things back or even drop things completely and bring other things forward to fill the slots.
I guess it depends on how far out they put the White Dwarf together.
If by terrible, you mean the return of two if the most asked after 40k factions, 30k plastics, a new 30k board game, more adeptus mechanicus, thousand sons, grey knight updates, and possibly even the return of the sisters of battle then sure. (ok I admit some of these are guesses but they are all hinted at by reliable rumour mongers) All of these add up to about 20 werks of releases meaning they could all come out and Aos would still have the majority of the year's releases.
I'm pretty sure sad panda said the rest of the year is dominated by AOS. Exciting start to the year with genestealers, definitely, but it'll be lean times if that represents the lion's share of 40k for the next 10 months.
EDIT: lean time for 40k players, I mean (this being the AOS thread and all )
Chad Warden wrote: Release schedules are pretty much set in stone, arent they? Even if AoS is flopping they still have to release the models they have already sculpted
a shame, 2016 looks like it will be a terrible year
hopefully we get at least some demons that can be used in 40k
But didn't you hear? AoS can't be flopping 'cos a guy who works in the warehouse in Australia told his mate it wasn't
I didn't say that Age of Sigmar wasn't flopping, I simply shared a more legitimate indication of how it is selling in Australia specifically. If sales information straight from the horses' mouth doesn't line up with your narrative and you want to act like a whiny five year old, that's your problem, not mine. It's altogether possible that it is doing very well in Australia but not anywhere else.
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Accolade wrote: I'm pretty sure sad panda said the rest of the year is dominated by AOS. Exciting start to the year with genestealers, definitely, but it'll be lean times if that represents the lion's share of 40k for the next 10 months.
EDIT: lean time for 40k players, I mean (this being the AOS thread and all )
For an Age of Sigmar dominated year, we've already received; the Start Collecting boxes, Wulfen, a Space Wolf VS Chaos Daemon campaign book, a Chaos Daemon update, a Tau update, an Ork update, and a Deathwatch VS Genestealer Cult boxed set. We are confirmed (by Sad Panda and Lady Atia) to be getting; Rubric Marines, a possible Lord of Change (either this year or next year), another 30K box set, an Adeptus Mechanicus update and...someone jog my memory, I'm sure there is more. I'm expecting the Deathwatch and Genestealer Cult to get the codex and proper kit releases this year as well. The advantage of a weekly release schedule ensures that even with the year being mostly populated by Age of Sigmar releases, there's still heaps of 40K stuff to come on top of what we have already received. I don't see it as a lean year for 40K players at all.
I didn't say the beginning part of the year was lean, I said it sounded like the future might be. I also don't know how much I consider the Orks getting an "update," seeing as all they did was replace the previous Ghaz supplement with one that used almost all the same formations (even ditched a whole previous army mode, ala green tide).
Was there a good source on the rubric marines? I hadn't heard anything, all I'm aware is more 30k and rumors that the AM would just have their books smushed together (does that really count as much?).
Caederes wrote: For an Age of Sigmar dominated year, we've already received; the Start Collecting boxes, Wulfen, a Space Wolf VS Chaos Daemon campaign book, a Chaos Daemon update, a Tau update, an Ork update, and a Deathwatch VS Genestealer Cult boxed set. We are confirmed (by Sad Panda and Lady Atia) to be getting; Rubric Marines, a possible Lord of Change (either this year or next year), another 30K box set, an Adeptus Mechanicus update and...someone jog my memory, I'm sure there is more. I'm expecting the Deathwatch and Genestealer Cult to get the codex and proper kit releases this year as well. The advantage of a weekly release schedule ensures that even with the year being mostly populated by Age of Sigmar releases, there's still heaps of 40K stuff to come on top of what we have already received. I don't see it as a lean year for 40K players at all.
Start Collecting boxes were evenly distributed to start, 6 and 6, then new ones alongside other releases- Space Wolves and then Orks. Now we will see more AoS ones alongside new Aos releases. Wulfen, Space Wolf vs Daemons book, and DAemon update are all one thing. Tau update is just the new farsight stuff from last years Mont'Ka packaged with the old farsight fluff. And one rebox set. Ork Update is a clampack being added to a box, and a reprinted Waaagh Ghazkull with three new formations that could have been unit entries (Marine vehicle get buffs for taking a full squadron of 3, Ork fliers get a small buff for taking a squadron of 3) but removed the iconic Green Tide.
DW vs Genestealer cult is a major boost to 40K, but the rest consists of one campaign book, 2 reprints, 1 new kit, 2 new clampacks, and a bunch of repacked kits. AdMech update will be nice, but is mostly combining the two small books and adding a few units. Rubric Marines are much needed, but a one week event. Genestealer cult getting kits and a codex sounds like a 3-4 week release, with Deathwatch being a 2-4 week release. Meanwhile Orks and IG need a lot more than the band-aids they just got, while Orks, Dark Eldar, and Eldar have a ton of kits that need a transition to plastic, Nids need a combined book with all their units and formations in one place plus a decurion, and then there are Sisters. There are 3 times as many plastic broodlords as there are plastic sisters models period.
I don't play AoS, but don't mind it getting attention and updates. And any daemon releases for AoS do crossover to 40K. But compared to the scale of 40K releases in the last year or 18 months, the upcoming rumors are comparatively rather sparse.
Just changed my post. Sad Panda said this is a mostly Aos year. So what is coming? What we know is more Stormcast from the extra chambers. More Khorne. Orruks in April. A lot of Tzeentch stuff, though who knows what that will entail. A boxed game in summer. The hope is that this will introduce the Aelves but noone has confirmed this yet. More Duaridin but it is anyone's guess whether this means repacks or new minis. This would just leave humans as the only major race without representation in the new system. Ogors, skaven, beastmen and undead have all appeared in the art and the fluff. If they can get some Aelves and Humans out this year then they will have every race represented.
akai wrote: Wishful thinking (though i think if this happens GW will get a lot of gripe with their usage of "last chance to buy" -
Just like Krom gets a re-release in 40K. Some of the Tomb Kings models will be put in a "Start collecting! Reanimants" box set...1 Warsphinx, 3 Sepulchral Stalkers, and 10 Tomb Guards for $85. Wishful thinking of course...
GW will always get gripes. Obviously it's worse online, but have you ever seen a more spiteful, hateful group of fans or customers than GW has? for whatever the reason...
So, if GW re-released Tomb Kings after putting them up as "last chance to buy", the following gripes would be a result of GW fans/ customers being uniquely spiteful and hateful? Stockholm Syndrome much?
lol not uniquely, over the past say, 5-6 years especially, it doesn't matter what GW does or does not do. They can drop prices by 60% and the responses to anything relating to GW would still be insanely high. It may not be (the reader) but it wil be there. Can't make very one happy, maybe if GW sold pot, but I'm 100% certain spiteful, hateful following is got some reason still there. ... I Just wanted to use the soapbox ork emoji
Edit: sorry, scrolled down after this and saw mod post, you're right, dropping this now
Chad Warden wrote: Release schedules are pretty much set in stone, arent they? Even if AoS is flopping they still have to release the models they have already sculpted
a shame, 2016 looks like it will be a terrible year
hopefully we get at least some demons that can be used in 40k
I don't think anyone knows how "set in stone" it is. I'm sure it's planned a couple of years in advance, but I'd also imagine they have the capacity to push things back or even drop things completely and bring other things forward to fill the slots.
GW have their own in-house design for everything, in-house manufacturing for kits. It's relatively low technology and they can be pretty flexible with setting up and changing production. In a pinch, they probably can change moulds in a couple of hours.
GW outsource their print work, and this has more complications since you have to set up your artwork to fit the printer's specs, and fit your print run into the rest of the work the printer is doing. That said, with modern print from digital technology, high speed comms, and worldwide availabiity of plant (China, Dubai, etc.) things are a lot easier and more flexible than even 10 years ago.
Boardgames and new starter sets are more complex, since they are created from scratch and combine plastic models, cardboard components and print work, coupled with complex picking and packing. It's no accident that GW print their board games as limited production runs.
No doubt GW have a release plan a year, two years and possibly five years ahead. I doubt they have a fixed plan more than six months ahead, though, and no doubt have flexibiity within that.
I would love to see new Tzeentch stuff, but seeing as the chaos book was released recently I'd rather they gave the other alliances their books and the releases that go with them first. It would make sense for GW to not release new stuff that isn't in the book so soon. Same goes for stormcast.
So I would HOPE and expect the "shining armour" to be protecting some humans or elves. A big mortal order vs destruction release would inspire the least WTFGW.
I doubt we'll be seeing any new daemons soon, if any were coming they could have been in the Chaos Grand Alliance book or in the Wulfen campaign, Assuming GW will not give us new stuff just after a related book release.
Caederes wrote: I didn't say that Age of Sigmar wasn't flopping, I simply shared a more legitimate indication of how it is selling in Australia specifically. If sales information straight from the horses' mouth doesn't line up with your narrative and you want to act like a whiny five year old, that's your problem, not mine. It's altogether possible that it is doing very well in Australia but not anywhere else.
Well, it's not straight from the horse's mouth, it's from an anonymous person on the internet who apparently knows someone working in a warehouse And it is a little hard to believe when you walk in to a local Australian GW full of people yet see no one playing AoS, the demo table still set up with half painted models and no one painting it at the painting table, then walk in to a local FLGS and see the same thing, then walk in to a local hobby store which is dumping GW product at half price and notice all the 40k stuff is gone and the Sigmarines are still sitting on the shelf after a month or two.
Of course my local area is hardly all of Australia, but it does make it hard to believe a statement with no context from an anonymous source claiming to know another anonymous warehouse worker.
By now I have come to view all pro- and anti- AoS popularity and sales statements as simple rumours to be taken with a scruple of salt. None of them can be substantiated and IMO often reflect the hopes and biases of the individual players.
The only hard bit of evidence available is the recent six month trading statement, which showed a slight drop in overall sales accounted for by currency exchange fluctuations. Even this is open to much interpretation.
Azazelx wrote: Oh nice. I really like that Horde box. I've been eyeing off the Mortarch boxes lately. Now the question is do I buy two or three?
I've wanted the components of that Skaven box for ages, esp the cool Plague Monks.
considering my local shop sells the $85 boxes for $65 + tax, I am not going to hesitant a second.
Kilkrazy wrote: By now I have come to view all pro- and anti- AoS popularity and sales statements as simple rumours to be taken with a scruple of salt. None of them can be substantiated and IMO often reflect the hopes and biases of the individual players.
The only hard bit of evidence available is the recent six month trading statement, which showed a slight drop in overall sales accounted for by currency exchange fluctuations. Even this is open to much interpretation.
Which means despite releasing bunch of best 40k sellers including plastic HH that sold like hot cake they still sold less boxes than before(since prices kept going up).
Which means that for AOS to not be flopping 40k stuff needed to flop.
Combined with all the other indicators(including US stores selling AOS boxes at loss for them even without postage...)...Well I know if I were betting money whether AOS sales are flopping or not I know which way I would put my money! Too much indications it's flopping vs opposite evidence.
(well okay if odds given to me are good enough guess I could bet little money. Somebody wants to pay 50,000 times what I would pay if AOS is selling well guess I can take the risk )
@Mongoose, sorry, one more question. Do you happen to know which author wrote that specific mention?
I am afraid don't have the book to hand - there were two authors on that book, and it was the second one that wrote it... best I can do, sorry!
There's a reference in Storm of Blades to troop movements "Dracoths huffed and growled, reluctant to leave Chamon."
No reference to riders, but the paragraph specifically states that the movement consists of 3 chambers of the Celestial Vindicators.
Thostos himself doesn't ride a Dracoth, so assuming the other two Lord Celestant *were*, that seems a weird way to write about it for just two of the things.
I can't find a reference to mounted Stormcast other than Celestants though.
I personally wonder how long it'll be until the new AoS specific factions will get a start collecting box. If the Fyreslayers had been as affordable as these are making other factions I'd definitely have had a dabble... but the price put me off
Not sure when they will get around to doing it. Could it be that the start collecting boxes are more aimed at legacy models/troops from WHFB than AOS-specific models? I have yet to make 1 AOS purchase but might be more tempted by the Fyreslayers models if there is a saving like some of the other Start Collecting boxes because as you say the current prices are offputting.
On that train of thinking it would also be interesting to see a breakdown of WHFB/AOS sales over the past year especially since the new Last Chance to Buy policy came in; All my recent GW purchases have been buying up old GWWHFB stock and jumping at Last Chance to Buy stuff whenever there is a chance to. I think the key breakdown in GW sales is not 40K vs AOS but old legacy WHFB stuff vs the newer AOS specific stuff; this I feel would give a better picture of how AOS is really doing.
I also think that the release strategy for AOS is strange and not really promoting it well. The new Orcs would be interesting to see but that's now a month away. Instead new releases are separated by reboxes of old stuff which, although being given standalone weeks and months by GW, are not new releases and stymy any sense of excitement
So if the rumor is a stormcast cav then I join the collective bet on some form a dracoths. Someone mentioned they would be the same size as those Chaos Varan(sp?) knights. I wonder if they will also be in groups of 3...
VeteranNoob wrote: So if the rumor is a stormcast cav then I join the collective bet on some form a dracoths. Someone mentioned they would be the same size as those Chaos Varan(sp?) knights. I wonder if they will also be in groups of 3...
I think that came from me. The varanguard are of a similar size to the Celestant on Dracoth, so I'd expect Paladin Dracoth cavalry to be in that ballpark, so a box of 3 sounds like a good bet.
In terms of power level, I'd expect varanguard-type stats as an absolute upper limit - the Celestant on Dracoth is only superior if the dice are with you, and he's supposed to be a hero.
My guess would be Mv10, 3+sv, Bravery 7 and 5, possibly even 6 wounds.
Some form of ranged attack, Max 6 wound melee output from the riders, likely some bonus if charging more than a certain distance.
VeteranNoob wrote: So if the rumor is a stormcast cav then I join the collective bet on some form a dracoths. Someone mentioned they would be the same size as those Chaos Varan(sp?) knights. I wonder if they will also be in groups of 3...
I think that came from me. The varanguard are of a similar size to the Celestant on Dracoth, so I'd expect Paladin Dracoth cavalry to be in that ballpark, so a box of 3 sounds like a good bet.
In terms of power level, I'd expect varanguard-type stats as an absolute upper limit - the Celestant on Dracoth is only superior if the dice are with you, and he's supposed to be a hero.
My guess would be Mv10, 3+sv, Bravery 7 and 5, possibly even 6 wounds.
Some form of ranged attack, Max 6 wound melee output from the riders, likely some bonus if charging more than a certain distance.
If they're Dracoths, then there will be a lightning zap attack.
Man, if they make Stormcast Cavalry, it is going to be hard for me not to expand my meager collection (the Stormcast half of the AoS Starter set). None of the other models (short of the Justicars) have piqued my interest because they all have been too similar. However, Cavalry would be great, especially to run alongside my dragonthing mounted Celestant.
Many have pointed out that the releases of Chaos and Stormcast have been overkill. I agree. As a store owner, I saw a distinct rise in AOS sales when the Fyreslayers were released. I think if GW had started this whole thing not with a new army (Stormcasts) but with a few units from each faction, the line would have done much better. As it is they are finally getting to the other factions, and my prediction is that AOS will really start picking up steam as the year goes by and more Order factions are released. It makes sense that they are last. Chaos exists in the realm of chaos, so it was easy to start with them because not many of their models would be replaced. Stormcasts were all new, so easy to put them out. Death faction lost Tomb Kings, but kept pretty much everything else, and fluff-wise, Nagash couldn't die, so he became a god in the realms and summoned back all of the undead he liked (and that did not include the Tomb Kings, who he hated anyway). Oruks and Ogors are also easy because savage can work in any realm. But with order you have a different situation. Their armies reflected their kingdoms and cultures. Athel Loren, The Empire, and Brettonia blew up in a giant fireball when the world came apart. Slaanesh gulpt down the souls of the elves until he was so fat he was easy pickings for the new gods Tyrion and Teclis. The human realms in the new fluff are like nothing we have ever seen. So in order to release order, GW are going to have to create new armies much like the Stormcast, a big project and one that they are likely just finishing at the studios. I would expect both Aelves and Slaanesh to make their return in a new Campaign book soon. As for you 40k lurkers, I think your time is coming (end times for 40k, making it more like AOS). I have no knowledge, but from being in this business, I do notice trends, so these are my observations 1) What's good for the goose is good for the gander: If their theory is that having points values for models discourages model sales, then it is not limited to WFB, it applies to all lines including 40k. 2) Once a plan is set in motion, it is hard to reverse: GW are a year ahead in their design and production. The Behemoth that is their ship is hard to change coarse and once in motion it's plans will have to play out. 3) Clear the decks!: It has been the norm for the 18 years prior to the latest two editions of 40k to release 3 codices a year. Now lately we have seen a new 40k codex every other month. Also, older codices are printed in paperback rather than hardbound. This indicates to me that they are trying to sell through product before it becomes obsolete. 4) What would the prisoner like as his last meal?: Before they executed WFB they gave the fans their wish lists. Nagash, Thanquol on bad-ass Boneripper, Giant Bloodthirsters (not just one, but 3 different types!), rules changes that brought back herohammer and supercharged the magic phase. Deathwatch, Ad-mech, Genstealer cults. When you 40k guys see Sisters and a Tyranid list that is bad-ass and works show up, you will know the signs of the end times.
Not sure why, but I keep expecting an Aelves vs. Slaanesh campaign box set/ starter set. What better way to drag more people in, then to purchase another big ticket item, right?
I'm also trying to figure out why all the Sigmar Star Collecting boxes don't have the rules included with them. How hard is it to include a pamphlet with 4 pages worth of info printed on it?
I know the rules are online and all, but why not make it even easier to get newcomers into the game with their new purchase?
Azazelx wrote: Oh nice. I really like that Horde box. I've been eyeing off the Mortarch boxes lately. Now the question is do I buy two or three?
I've wanted the components of that Skaven box for ages, esp the cool Plague Monks.
considering my local shop sells the $85 boxes for $65 + tax, I am not going to hesitant a second.
Good, good times.
Oh crap. You just made me look at the other spoilered pic (I honestly was so excited by the prospect of a new "Skeleton Horde" that "skaven" didn't even register. But given that those Skaven Warmachines are dual kits, and I've got a skaven army waiting in the wings to be painted and assembled, I'm now doen for two of those as well...
highlord tamburlaine wrote: Not sure why, but I keep expecting an Aelves vs. Slaanesh campaign box set/ starter set. What better way to drag more people in, then to purchase another big ticket item, right?
I'm also trying to figure out why all the Sigmar Star Collecting boxes don't have the rules included with them. How hard is it to include a pamphlet with 4 pages worth of info printed on it?
I know the rules are online and all, but why not make it even easier to get newcomers into the game with their new purchase?
From what I've seen, GW shops have stacks upon stacks of those little pamphlets and they're giving them away at no cost to anyone buying the Start Collecting sets or expressing an interest in the game.
Azazelx wrote: Oh nice. I really like that Horde box. I've been eyeing off the Mortarch boxes lately. Now the question is do I buy two or three?
I've wanted the components of that Skaven box for ages, esp the cool Plague Monks.
considering my local shop sells the $85 boxes for $65 + tax, I am not going to hesitant a second.
Good, good times.
Oh crap. You just made me look at the other spoilered pic (I honestly was so excited by the prospect of a new "Skeleton Horde" that "skaven" didn't even register. But given that those Skaven Warmachines are dual kits, and I've got a skaven army waiting in the wings to be painted and assembled, I'm now doen for two of those as well...
That and four boxes of Deathwatch. I salute you for making the pace of adding to my pile of minis seem more reasonable in comparison
I want one of those Screaming Bells since forever, though. The boxes aren't limited, right? I will have to add Pestilens one to sprue mountain some day
Good to know they're at least giving pamphlets away in their own stores.
I don't even know if we have a GW store in SoCal anymore. Used to be the one by Pegasus, which was a silly mistake, but then again any time a hobby/ gaming shop wants to open up, they all do it within a few blocks of Pegasus. Bizarre...
I personally wonder how long it'll be until the new AoS specific factions will get a start collecting box. If the Fyreslayers had been as affordable as these are making other factions I'd definitely have had a dabble... but the price put me off
Not sure when they will get around to doing it. Could it be that the start collecting boxes are more aimed at legacy models/troops from WHFB than AOS-specific models? I have yet to make 1 AOS purchase but might be more tempted by the Fyreslayers models if there is a saving like some of the other Start Collecting boxes because as you say the current prices are offputting.
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I also think that the release strategy for AOS is strange and not really promoting it well. The new Orcs would be interesting to see but that's now a month away. Instead new releases are separated by reboxes of old stuff which, although being given standalone weeks and months by GW, are not new releases and stymy any sense of excitement
The Mortarchs from the Skeleton Horde boxes are pretty much AoS-specific releases in all but name - they're from the End Times stuff. Having said that, I don't expect there to be a Fyreslayers box for some time - give it the best part of a year at least. There's a lot of other WHFB models to repackage/cull in the meantime.
That and four boxes of Deathwatch. I salute you for making the pace of adding to my pile of minis seem more reasonable in comparison
I want one of those Screaming Bells since forever, though. The boxes aren't limited, right? I will have to add Pestilens one to sprue mountain some day
Yeah. Plus 9 other "Start Collecting" boxes so far (3 Admech, 3 Tau, 2 Seraphon, 1 Khorne Daemons - 3 of those still inc, due to arrive between today and next Wednesday) and Lord Heldrath's Chaos Deathtide. Maybe Nurgle Daemons and Space Wolves. And then, yes. 3 Skeleton Horde and 2 Skaven Pestilens. (And the 4 AoS and the 4 Betrayal at Calth). Rountree's ascent has been a bad, bad thing for my wallet, it seems.
VeteranNoob wrote: So if the rumor is a stormcast cav then I join the collective bet on some form a dracoths. Someone mentioned they would be the same size as those Chaos Varan(sp?) knights. I wonder if they will also be in groups of 3...
I think that came from me. The varanguard are of a similar size to the Celestant on Dracoth, so I'd expect Paladin Dracoth cavalry to be in that ballpark, so a box of 3 sounds like a good bet.
In terms of power level, I'd expect varanguard-type stats as an absolute upper limit - the Celestant on Dracoth is only superior if the dice are with you, and he's supposed to be a hero.
My guess would be Mv10, 3+sv, Bravery 7 and 5, possibly even 6 wounds.
Some form of ranged attack, Max 6 wound melee output from the riders, likely some bonus if charging more than a certain distance.
I did the numbers and on the charge a Lord Celestant on Dracoth does better on average rolling than any single Varanguard, though the Varanguard have the distinction of being units and having that once per game "pile in twice" ability. The Dracoths themselves are way nastier than the Daemonic Steeds though, even before accounting for the shooting attack. Varanguard are each essentially mini Chaos Lord equivalents, so it would make sense that Dracoth Knights would all be mini Lord Celestant equivalents. I'm expecting the two units to be fairly balanced against one another, the Varanguard having the close combat edge but the Dracoths being tougher and getting a shooting attack. I'm curious to see what the actual riders for the Dracoths are like though, i.e. will they be Paladins or Liberators in terms of weapons.
I expect them to be more of the like of Skullcrushers and Demigryph. Varanguard aren't as much a cavalry force as they are champions. Hence you can take them as individuals. I think dracoth cavalry will have minimum amount of models to form a unit.
Yeah. Plus 9 other "Start Collecting" boxes so far (3 Admech, 3 Tau, 2 Seraphon, 1 Khorne Daemons - 3 of those still inc, due to arrive between today and next Wednesday) and Lord Heldrath's Chaos Deathtide. Maybe Nurgle Daemons and Space Wolves. And then, yes. 3 Skeleton Horde and 2 Skaven Pestilens. (And the 4 AoS and the 4 Betrayal at Calth). Rountree's ascent has been a bad, bad thing for my wallet, it seems.
Good god, man. Slow down! I thought I was bad! lol.
I want a Nurgle start collecting box. Would cpmplement a Pestilens box nicely.
What would that likely be? Blightkings, Plaguebearers, Nurglings and a plastic char? Something like that? More?
PS: I understand the need for AdMech boxes and the "Seraphon". Great deals. GW stuff priced like that across the whole range, that'd hurt the wallet. In a good way.
Binabik15 wrote: I want a Nurgle start collecting box. Would cpmplement a Pestilens box nicely.
What would that likely be? Blightkings, Plaguebearers, Nurglings and a plastic char? Something like that? More?
PS: I understand the need for AdMech boxes and the "Seraphon". Great deals. GW stuff priced like that across the whole range, that'd hurt the wallet. In a good way.
They released that in the initial wave. Unless you wanted a mortal Nurgle force, in which case I wouldn't rule it out as something that could happen.
Binabik15 wrote: I want a Nurgle start collecting box. Would cpmplement a Pestilens box nicely.
What would that likely be? Blightkings, Plaguebearers, Nurglings and a plastic char? Something like that? More?
PS: I understand the need for AdMech boxes and the "Seraphon". Great deals. GW stuff priced like that across the whole range, that'd hurt the wallet. In a good way.
They released that in the initial wave. Unless you wanted a mortal Nurgle force, in which case I wouldn't rule it out as something that could happen.
The start collecting boxes are two expensive here in Aus, unless already comited to the game I just don't see new players so willing to put that kinda money down.
Let's do some math. "Start Collecting" boxes are $85 USA MSRP, £50 UK MSRP, and $140 Australia MSRP. Current exchange rates equate the UK MSRP to $71 USA and the Australian one to $104 USA.
We Americans are paying 20% more than the British, but you Australians are paying 46% more than the British!
Let's do some math. "Start Collecting" boxes are $85 USA MSRP, £50 UK MSRP, and $140 Australia MSRP. Current exchange rates equate the UK MSRP to $71 USA and the Australian one to $104 USA.
We Americans are paying 20% more than the British, but you Australians are paying 46% more than the British!
I get that you guys had a revolution and threw out some tea or whatever, but what did we do to the brits to annoy them worse than you?
Let's do some math. "Start Collecting" boxes are $85 USA MSRP, £50 UK MSRP, and $140 Australia MSRP. Current exchange rates equate the UK MSRP to $71 USA and the Australian one to $104 USA.
We Americans are paying 20% more than the British, but you Australians are paying 46% more than the British!
I get that you guys had a revolution and threw out some tea or whatever, but what did we do to the brits to annoy them worse than you?
At last we find the real reason for over a million Aussies in England. They want reasonably priced warhammer...
Let's do some math. "Start Collecting" boxes are $85 USA MSRP, £50 UK MSRP, and $140 Australia MSRP. Current exchange rates equate the UK MSRP to $71 USA and the Australian one to $104 USA.
We Americans are paying 20% more than the British, but you Australians are paying 46% more than the British!
I get that you guys had a revolution and threw out some tea or whatever, but what did we do to the brits to annoy them worse than you?
Let's do some math. "Start Collecting" boxes are $85 USA MSRP, £50 UK MSRP, and $140 Australia MSRP. Current exchange rates equate the UK MSRP to $71 USA and the Australian one to $104 USA.
We Americans are paying 20% more than the British, but you Australians are paying 46% more than the British!
I get that you guys had a revolution and threw out some tea or whatever, but what did we do to the brits to annoy them worse than you?
Did Kirby get stung by a platypus or something?
I heard his family was murdered by a drop bear while touring the colonies.
... I Just wanted to use the soapbox ork emoji
