jonolikespie wrote: He's 2 sprues in a clam pack, of course he is more expensive. Just like Skarr Bloodwrath, remember him, the first 2 sprue plastic character we saw which was the justification of him costing $50 when the other plastic character were in the twenties a year ago...
Sorry, are you attempting to justify its $70 price cost by comparing it to something similar that costs twenty dollars less?
455_PWR wrote: I personally like the new archaon's chaos knight models. They have a ton of character, are very well sculpted, and look to be a blast to paint. I am also a fan of the new archaon model itself (although the old model is the best model GW has made for all it's ranges).
In reality the only thing I am not a fan of are the new mortal models for the khorne range.
My AOS armies are very small (40-60 wounds max, 1 monster max, 1-3 heros). With the demise of WHFB, gobs of troops and elite troops are cheap. This makes purchases like this set not as painful as I only plan to pick up one set ever.
And if you use ebay, you can find them for $80 or less
That will work for GW as long as either people end up spending as much on a small AoS army as on a large WHFB army, or if lots more people play AoS than played WHFB.
i buy them for bits for my chaos and blood angels. i am the worst enabler. i'd buy the new knights (i chopped up some of the old ones for my bikers, man that kit was a bits goldmine) but the pricetag is a leeeeettttle steep right now.
For what it's worth, I thumbed through the Everchosen book tonight before putting it on the shelves after closing my shop tonight.
They have basically retconned his entire origin and back story as "myth". All the stories of how he got his armor, his horse, rose to power, and all of it. Gone. He's existed for thousands of years, terrorizing the "realms". In 5 minutes it made me drop any last shred of interest I had in AoS.
Aerethan wrote: For what it's worth, I thumbed through the Everchosen book tonight before putting it on the shelves after closing my shop tonight.
They have basically retconned his entire origin and back story as "myth". All the stories of how he got his armor, his horse, rose to power, and all of it. Gone. He's existed for thousands of years, terrorizing the "realms". In 5 minutes it made me drop any last shred of interest I had in AoS.
Why? Surely that story is just a myth now. It doesn't mean it didn't happen that way, but all that was a long time ago and in a completely different world really, it would be a myth to people now.
The entirety of the old world is a myth by this point, several thousand years later... Obviously archaon would be as well. The Trojan war is a myth but it still happened,
The Realms have existed for 2,000 years since the Olde Worlde was blown up, and it is highly unlikely any previous culture and history would have survived so long, particularly given a state of war has existed more or less continuously throughout that time, except in the places where Chaos won and enslaved everyone.
So let me get this... the new Varanguard are pricey, like 20 per mounted mini and this one is even more expensive? Hummm Again no impulse buy from me. At this rate in just a few couple weeks time we are going to see 30quid for 32mms...
I'm guessing this model was part of the Tzeentch releases to come, but they wanted to make an Everchosen battle tome with more than 2 units so included him in there. He's too similar to the other Tzeentch wizards on discs for me to be excited. He's a better model than those resin ones though, and I always appreciate more plastic kits.
Edit: Find it interesting on one of the pictures of the daemons bundle they have Bloodletters on 32mm bases while the other daemons on 25s.
Kilkrazy wrote: The Realms have existed for 2,000 years since the Olde Worlde was blown up, and it is highly unlikely any previous culture and history would have survived so long, particularly given a state of war has existed more or less continuously throughout that time, except in the places where Chaos won and enslaved everyone.
Where do you get this 2000 years figure you always mention? In all the background I have read we have no idea how long the Age of Myth and subsequent Age of Chaos lasted. Could be 2,000 years, could be 40,000 years for all we know right?
That is a cool looking model, not really my style.
Whats up with all the chaos helms becoming so mutated that they are just part of the head?
Even with the new vanguard chaos knights, I sure do miss the days when GW gave options on bits....Egads... I just checked the price.
Kilkrazy wrote: The Realms have existed for 2,000 years since the Olde Worlde was blown up, and it is highly unlikely any previous culture and history would have survived so long, particularly given a state of war has existed more or less continuously throughout that time, except in the places where Chaos won and enslaved everyone.
Where do you get this 2000 years figure you always mention? In all the background I have read we have no idea how long the Age of Myth and subsequent Age of Chaos lasted. Could be 2,000 years, could be 40,000 years for all we know right?
It's what I've read in people's comments on DakkaDakka, but if you want it to be 40,000 years, that's equally valid and makes my point even more realistic.
Kilkrazy wrote: The Realms have existed for 2,000 years since the Olde Worlde was blown up, and it is highly unlikely any previous culture and history would have survived so long, particularly given a state of war has existed more or less continuously throughout that time, except in the places where Chaos won and enslaved everyone.
Where do you get this 2000 years figure you always mention? In all the background I have read we have no idea how long the Age of Myth and subsequent Age of Chaos lasted. Could be 2,000 years, could be 40,000 years for all we know right?
It's what I've read in people's comments on DakkaDakka, but if you want it to be 40,000 years, that's equally valid and makes my point even more realistic.
Actually, didn't Sigmar float in the darkness for 'centuries' before he met some old dragon god, and THEN forged the Mortal Realms? And from then it's been thousands of years?
But yeah, since only a handful of beings from the World-That-Was are still around (Sigmar, Nagash, Tyrion, etc...), anything that happened in that world's history would be myth, at best. Archaon's quests would totally fall into that category, if anyone even talks about them at all.
On a side note: didn't Grimgor destroy the Eye of Sheerian?
Kilkrazy wrote: The Realms have existed for 2,000 years since the Olde Worlde was blown up, and it is highly unlikely any previous culture and history would have survived so long, particularly given a state of war has existed more or less continuously throughout that time, except in the places where Chaos won and enslaved everyone.
Where do you get this 2000 years figure you always mention? In all the background I have read we have no idea how long the Age of Myth and subsequent Age of Chaos lasted. Could be 2,000 years, could be 40,000 years for all we know right?
It's what I've read in people's comments on DakkaDakka, but if you want it to be 40,000 years, that's equally valid and makes my point even more realistic.
You're the only person who I have seen mention this 2,000 years idea, I don't think it's right. I know I am totally being pedantic, and you're right in that it doesn't detract from your original point.
My wife and I just saw the Knights in the flesh at a shop today, and she was thoroughly unimpressed that they were the same price as Nagash, who is huge.
(But then she was also pretty dumbfounded that that some of the newer clampack plastic figures are the same size figure and sprue as the clampack plastic chaos sorceror, but twice the price, though that's off topic for all of this.)
Wow, fantasy was expensive, this is insanely expensive, how is this supposed to replace fantasy. It feels like I'm expected to pay the same amount for a large army but fewer models?
Love the Wizard but find the rules are lacking to say the least, 6+ sv to projectiles n monsters?! He'd be dead as soon as hes in range, that and his fancy spell is only 9 inch? And with it rolling against bravery good luck ever getting a good hit with it.
AegisGrimm wrote: My wife and I just saw the Knights in the flesh at a shop today, and she was thoroughly unimpressed that they were the same price as Nagash, who is huge.
(But then she was also pretty dumbfounded that that some of the newer clampack plastic figures are the same size figure and sprue as the clampack plastic chaos sorceror, but twice the price, though that's off topic for all of this.)
He's not, he has twice the sprues, and is probably about twice as tall too.
Oh sorry, I thought you were talking specifically about the new chaos sorcerer thing. In that case I agree yeah. The clampack models have rocketed up in price considering what, 3 years ago? They were£9, and now they're £18-20 ish.
AegisGrimm wrote: My wife and I just saw the Knights in the flesh at a shop today, and she was thoroughly unimpressed that they were the same price as Nagash, who is huge.
(But then she was also pretty dumbfounded that that some of the newer clampack plastic figures are the same size figure and sprue as the clampack plastic chaos sorceror, but twice the price, though that's off topic for all of this.)
New blisters are more expensive than some WFB regiment boxes so yes its getting really weird.
This guy is the same price as the resin Tzeentch guys on disc, and is a much better model and in plastic. Like anyone, I want to pay less for everything, but I'm not sure what the surprise is here. It's in line with old releases, nothing new.
coldgaming wrote: This guy is the same price as the resin Tzeentch guys on disc, and is a much better model and in plastic. Like anyone, I want to pay less for everything, but I'm not sure what the surprise is here. It's in line with old releases, nothing new.
Well metal units were getting really expensive back in the day due to the argument that raw material was also expensive too so they replaced with finecast resin that was aimed for ( god knows who) retaining most of the time the same high price tag and sometimes IIRC some slight price drop... to say that a plastic miniature is at the same price of those is like admitting that plastic got really expensive?
Nearly all the costs of a plastic model are front loaded. That GW price them so high suggests they don't believe they'll sell enough or be around long enough to recoup those costs by selling them at a lower price.
This, to an extent, is fair enough on character models, inevitably they'll sell in fewer numbers, the flaw in the thinking here is GW's stubborn adherence to their desire to make everything plastic, whether it's the most economic thing for their customers or not.
coldgaming wrote: This guy is the same price as the resin Tzeentch guys on disc, and is a much better model and in plastic. Like anyone, I want to pay less for everything, but I'm not sure what the surprise is here. It's in line with old releases, nothing new.
Because plastic, as a material, has always been the cheaper alternative in the industry to metal or resin because when you are mass producing something the larger upfront investment is offset by the insanely cheaper material costs and ease of physically casting.
coldgaming wrote: This guy is the same price as the resin Tzeentch guys on disc, and is a much better model and in plastic. Like anyone, I want to pay less for everything, but I'm not sure what the surprise is here. It's in line with old releases, nothing new.
Metal was more expensive than plastic.
Finecast was more expensive than metal.
Plastic should be way less expensive than Finecast, not the same price.
I don't dispute the prices are always going up regardless of the material. I value GW plastic far more than resin or metal though. I won't even buy non-plastic models. I see a plastic character as an upgrade over a resin character, regardless of what the base material costs.
wuestenfux wrote: Why there are no 40k rules for the Gaunt Summoner?
Because they are described as daemons, It would be nice to see them for 40k as well.
Was the exalted deathbringer a daemon?
Who knows, they made the khorne daemon kin book to ride on the new blood thirster release, perhaps this model could finaly get us that tzeench daemon kin book
coldgaming wrote: I don't dispute the prices are always going up regardless of the material. I value GW plastic far more than resin or metal though. I won't even buy non-plastic models. I see a plastic character as an upgrade over a resin character, regardless of what the base material costs.
Agree 100%, GW resin is terible, im glad to see them move back to platic.
But I am sad that metal is no longer an option, some of GW past metal models were just amazing. I still have a few i cant bring myself to part with
For the same price you could convert the summoner and have an exalted flamer, two screamers, and a number of bits leftover.
[edit] And if you want something closer to the WoC look, buy a Chaos sorcerer or Tzeentch Sorcerer for $15 and slap that on top instead, netting you an extra herald in the process.
Just back from visiting my local GW, according to the manager the transition from WFB to AoS was difficult but its picking up because he said his store was the one that sold more WFB kits in the county.
Talking about regulars and gaming he said that its very good for narrative campaigns etc but for tournament play he was using some tweaks... azyr was mentioned too. I also believe he mentioned that 10 regular players do AoS ( not sure how many casual ones do it in store too).
Looking at the new shiny things Archaon is bloody cool model MUCH better IRL, quite impressed with dynamic and bulk of the model. Good design too. I think pictures make you think the demon body is a bit fat but its not, the wings are just mind blowing huge and nice.
Noticed the new terrain board there too.
Oh there was no spider riders in store which was odd, he feels that repackaging for those is on the horizon.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Forgot to mention that if you got the starter today in store you would get £10 voucher.
Kanluwen wrote: That's not just for today, Navarro. It's their new "Battle Brothers" program.
Archaon is pretty beastly, isn't he? Picked one up last week and good god.
Yeah I got a £10 voucher when I got the AoS starter on Wednesday. I'm gonna get Archaon after Christmas. I saw him in person, he's seriously impressive.
Brometheus wrote: This Gaunt Summoner is sick as ****. I really enjoyed putting it together and I can't wait to use him as my disc herald for an event late Jan.
Kanluwen wrote: That's not just for today, Navarro. It's their new "Battle Brothers" program.
Archaon is pretty beastly, isn't he? Picked one up last week and good god.
Ah I see, Its a very positive initiative and will help towards getting some complements for the starter like some paints and brushes or even towards an expansion.
Archaon is like the most awesome project you could have for chaos these days, I used to think the glottkin was the undisputed best chaos figure even after the online preview pictures of Archaon... well after seeing it live I must confess that Archaon takes the crown now. I mean Its so imposing and well designed that I'm bold enough to say that its one of GW best plastic kits ever.
People complain about being to big etc but really this is one of the few miniatures that really makes good use of plastics, I forgot how many times a massive dragon figure from any supplier looks like it cannot fly because its wings are too small or that its modeled with closed wings to save on casting problems and material... Archaon ignores all those limits and presents you with a huge monster with fully spread wide wings in all its visual glory. Its one of those models that truly showcases what can be done with plastics and a treat to the eyes.
NAVARRO wrote: Just back from visiting my local GW, according to the manager the transition from WFB to AoS was difficult but its picking up because he said his store was the one that sold more WFB kits in the county.
Talking about regulars and gaming he said that its very good for narrative campaigns etc but for tournament play he was using some tweaks... azyr was mentioned too. I also believe he mentioned that 10 regular players do AoS ( not sure how many casual ones do it in store too).
Looking at the new shiny things Archaon is bloody cool model MUCH better IRL, quite impressed with dynamic and bulk of the model. Good design too. I think pictures make you think the demon body is a bit fat but its not, the wings are just mind blowing huge and nice.
Noticed the new terrain board there too.
Oh there was no spider riders in store which was odd, he feels that repackaging for those is on the horizon.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Forgot to mention that if you got the starter today in store you would get £10 voucher.
Not to cast aspersions on the honour of your local bloke, but a GW store manager is hardly going to tell a customer that a GW product line is selling like rancid horsemeat at a BBQ are they.
NAVARRO wrote: Oh there was no spider riders in store which was odd, he feels that repackaging for those is on the horizon.
Alas Goblin Spider Riders have not been available in stores for years now, besides for those that has been gathering dust on the shelves since then without finding a buyer. So I doubt it will hint at any kind of repackaging.
Yodhrin wrote: Not to cast aspersions on the honour of your local bloke, but a GW store manager is hardly going to tell a customer that a GW product line is selling like rancid horsemeat at a BBQ are they.
Probably not the rancid horsemeat bit, but a GW fella has told me before something to the effect of, "well, let's put it this way, we sell a lot more 40k."
NAVARRO wrote: Just back from visiting my local GW, according to the manager the transition from WFB to AoS was difficult but its picking up because he said his store was the one that sold more WFB kits in the county.
Talking about regulars and gaming he said that its very good for narrative campaigns etc but for tournament play he was using some tweaks... azyr was mentioned too. I also believe he mentioned that 10 regular players do AoS ( not sure how many casual ones do it in store too).
Looking at the new shiny things Archaon is bloody cool model MUCH better IRL, quite impressed with dynamic and bulk of the model. Good design too. I think pictures make you think the demon body is a bit fat but its not, the wings are just mind blowing huge and nice.
Noticed the new terrain board there too.
Oh there was no spider riders in store which was odd, he feels that repackaging for those is on the horizon.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Forgot to mention that if you got the starter today in store you would get £10 voucher.
Not to cast aspersions on the honour of your local bloke, but a GW store manager is hardly going to tell a customer that a GW product line is selling like rancid horsemeat at a BBQ are they.
I know but he actually told me that it was and still is hard times, he was surprisingly honest not only on that but on many other issues too ( like summoning can break the game etc). I'm not a regular or anything close to that, I go to the store like very few times a year and my pattern is go there with my 9 year old son pick some boxes and get out. So I look like the typical uninformed parent that will splash money on kits for its son, yet not once I was approached in an aggressive stereotypical GW salesman way.
Yesterday there was around 5 clients in store like 3 adults browsing and 2 teens painting, its always a busy store from what I can see and the fella seems to create a very good atmosphere there.
So for a fact I know they are not well informed on what is coming and that most salesman will paint you a bright picture of what they are selling, what Im telling you is that he was very mature about the product he was selling and in a clever way too.
As an example I picked up some bases for my AoS models and was not sure about the sizes for my arachnaroks or giants etc... the fella went far and beyond to find me the right sizes for them and even when I said that I do not know when I will back to the store he said that he will keep them instore for as long as I want. Thats a good approach to sales right there. Another example, do you know how he "sold" me the Archaon model? Since I was looking for bases he pointed me out that the miniature on the display case had the biggest GW circular base and that it was maybe a bit to big for the Arachnarok... smooth
NAVARRO wrote: Oh there was no spider riders in store which was odd, he feels that repackaging for those is on the horizon.
Alas Goblin Spider Riders have not been available in stores for years now, besides for those that has been gathering dust on the shelves since then without finding a buyer. So I doubt it will hint at any kind of repackaging.
Always been there with the most traditional O&G plastics at my GW... I also noticed that some UK independent online stores removed it from the sites and its no longer available to order.
Always been there with the most traditional O&G plastics at my GW... I also noticed that some UK independent online stores removed it from the sites and its no longer available to order.
While I cannot remember exactly when they were removed from order forms first, I know that by the end of 2013 they were already a direct only item. AFAIKUK and other European order forms are all identical when it comes to products availability, or at least I never noticed a difference. That would be quite an oddity for that kit out of all kits to have stayed available in the UK, thought it may have just been that the store already had stocks from before they were removed and didn't need to reorder for all that time.
Only O&G that we have available on our side are Orcs clips, Night Goblins, Water Trolls, Savage Orcs, Black Orcs, Arachnarok and Fanatics (also Giant). This one of the most if not the most affected WFB range when it comes to items going direct only, it lost so much and such a long time ago...
For the same price you could convert the summoner and have an exalted flamer, two screamers, and a number of bits leftover.
[edit] And if you want something closer to the WoC look, buy a Chaos sorcerer or Tzeentch Sorcerer for $15 and slap that on top instead, netting you an extra herald in the process.
Brilliant! That’s a really good idea Musketeer, I forgot about that model.
I really don’t understand the thinking on GW part, seeing as both of these are the same price and the chariot is clearly a better deal and comes with so many extra bits.
@GraywarTS - this is a result of the "new" way GW does its price increases. Basically, they don't price increase many of the old kits, and load all the price increases on all of the new kits.
That's why a Drop Pods are still $37 and Razorbacks are still $41. The alternative would be for GW to more evenly raise prices each year.
I'm not entirely convinced that the right way to do it is to pile on the price increases all into the new product, as it makes the newest kits crazy expensive compared to the older, still-relevant kits, but I do appreciate that the some of the new kits are far superior to some of the old kits.
I think the better way for GW to do it is to count the generation of product, and apply price increases broadly against product generations. For example, they shouldn't price increase finecast and metal models at all, and plastic models made pre 2008 using the older processes just enough to cover inflation. But instead of making every 2015 model super expensive, they should increase the prices of 2009+ models by a few percentage points, and match the pricing of the new product to the old.
So instead of a $40 character model versus a $25 plastic character model, they could all be just go up a buck a year. And that way, BA Tactical and SM Tactical would be priced similarly, SM Assault and BA Death Company would be priced similarly, but they would be subject to more inflation than, for example, SM Command, which are made with an older technology, have less bits per sprue, less crispness and detail, etc.
Talys wrote: @GraywarTS - this is a result of the "new" way GW does its price increases. Basically, they don't price increase many of the old kits, and load all the price increases on all of the new kits.
That's why a Drop Pods are still $37 and Razorbacks are still $41. The alternative would be for GW to more evenly raise prices each year.
I'm not entirely convinced that the right way to do it is to pile on the price increases all into the new product, as it makes the newest kits crazy expensive compared to the older, still-relevant kits, but I do appreciate that the some of the new kits are far superior to some of the old kits.
I think the better way for GW to do it is to count the generation of product, and apply price increases broadly against product generations. For example, they shouldn't price increase finecast and metal models at all, and plastic models made pre 2008 using the older processes just enough to cover inflation. But instead of making every 2015 model super expensive, they should increase the prices of 2009+ models by a few percentage points, and match the pricing of the new product to the old.
So instead of a $40 character model versus a $25 plastic character model, they could all be just go up a buck a year. And that way, BA Tactical and SM Tactical would be priced similarly, SM Assault and BA Death Company would be priced similarly, but they would be subject to more inflation than, for example, SM Command, which are made with an older technology, have less bits per sprue, less crispness and detail, etc.
What they need to do is come up with a set pricing structure that makes sense(infantry boxes of roughly this size all cost that much, vehicle boxes of this size all cost that much, and so on), and then make a public commitment to increasing prices annually only ever as much as inflation. The problem with the annual price increases wasn't that they were annual, it was that they were always above inflation so after a few years a product that should have gone up by a few percent had gone up by over a dozen. The system they replaced it with is, in the long run, even worse, because now they just front-load several years worth of the previous style price increases into a new product on release to account for however many years of inflation they expect to have to absorb before the product is replaced plus their usual "We're GW, we deserve our gold-plated ivory backscratchers dagnabbit!" bonus, which exacerbates the already extant problem people had affording their product and forces them to double and triple down on their low-volume, ever-higher pricing "strategy".
The relative crappiness of some kits isn't a pricing problem, that's a priorities problem; if GW wanted to they could refresh the oldest parts of their range in a fairly short period of time, but they don't want to, because those crappy old kits are free money - the moulding and R&D costs for them were paid off years and years ago, so every time they sell a box of the awful blobmen Cadians or mould line-ridden CSM every single penny of that inflated sticker price, less the pittance for materials and to ship it to the store, goes right into the "profit" column of their ledger.
Now I know why he costs over $100!! (Got him for 128 on ebay). He is HUGE. He makes an imperial knight look small. Very cool kit, gws paint job doesn't do it justice. I've never owned another gw model with a base of this size, height, or shear magnatude.
wuestenfux wrote: Why there are no 40k rules for the Gaunt Summoner?
Because they are described as daemons, It would be nice to see them for 40k as well.
Was the exalted deathbringer a daemon?
Who knows, they made the khorne daemon kin book to ride on the new blood thirster release, perhaps this model could finaly get us that tzeench daemon kin book
Pardon my ignorance but I thought it was specifically Chaos Daemons that could be used in Fantasy and 40k?
I think we can atleast expect 3 kits (with the leaked totem bearer being 1 of them), a battletome and a limited edition. Maybe a painting guide and a novel too.
Pardon my ignorance but I thought it was specifically Chaos Daemons that could be used in Fantasy and 40k?
But not everything with a Daemon rule crosses over? There're no CSM Possessed or Eldar Avatars in Fantasy/AoS either. Nor do FW's Heresy-Daemons have Fantasy/AoS-rules, as far as I know.
And AoS also made all the Lizardmen Daemons, did it not (without crossing them over to 40K).
So I think it would only be Daemons specific to the Chaos Daemons Codex/Armybook, not the odd Daemons found in other Codexes (e.g. Avatar in Codex Eldar) or Armybooks (e.g. Gaunt Summoner in the Everchosen-book).
The Gaunt Summoner also has the MORTAL keyword, for what it's worth. Besides, they're described as answering directly to Archaon, and HE doesn't cross over to 40k, either.
I love how there's this little debate about whether or not the model can be used in 40k, when it's clearly just a Tzeentch daemon/sorcerer/champion and could easily fit in a CSM or daemons army if you really fething wanted it to. Nothing about this model makes it unique to the AoS universe at all, at least not any more than any of the dozens of other daemon models that have been released.
It's just a sorcerer on a disk at the end of the day, one that's "fancier" than normal and costs twice as much.
Sidstyler wrote: I love how there's this little debate about whether or not the model can be used in 40k, when it's clearly just a Tzeentch daemon/sorcerer/champion and could easily fit in a CSM or daemons army if you really fething wanted it to. Nothing about this model makes it unique to the AoS universe at all, at least not any more than any of the dozens of other daemon models that have been released.
It's just a sorcerer on a disk at the end of the day, one that's "fancier" than normal and costs twice as much.
Humm that kind of applies to most miniatures if you think about it... even the mighty glottkin can be just a guo and the other brothers just a lord and sorcerer.
Most miniatures these days can be used/ converted to other games or systems if you wanted too.
Sidstyler wrote: I love how there's this little debate about whether or not the model can be used in 40k, when it's clearly just a Tzeentch daemon/sorcerer/champion and could easily fit in a CSM or daemons army if you really fething wanted it to. Nothing about this model makes it unique to the AoS universe at all, at least not any more than any of the dozens of other daemon models that have been released.
It's just a sorcerer on a disk at the end of the day, one that's "fancier" than normal and costs twice as much.
Well, for me personally, I just read the first sentences of description on GWs site when it came out, and saw it was not a single specific character, and that they were described as daemons.
Then I asked if or when it ought to be available as a 40k daemons unit.
Now ofcourse, I have read the full description that there is only 9 of them and all blindly devoted to Archaon, so I consider the debate over and done.
And I have no doubt this model will find a home in many 40k daemon armies.
Sidstyler wrote: I love how there's this little debate about whether or not the model can be used in 40k, when it's clearly just a Tzeentch daemon/sorcerer/champion and could easily fit in a CSM or daemons army if you really fething wanted it to. Nothing about this model makes it unique to the AoS universe at all, at least not any more than any of the dozens of other daemon models that have been released.
It's just a sorcerer on a disk at the end of the day, one that's "fancier" than normal and costs twice as much.
Humm that kind of applies to most miniatures if you think about it... even the mighty glottkin can be just a guo and the other brothers just a lord and sorcerer.
Most miniatures these days can be used/ converted to other games or systems if you wanted too.
Whilst true, the Gaunt Summoner already looks the part of a Herald of Tzeenth on Disc, no conversion required at all there. And frankly looks much better than the fine cast version.
Are you dismissing them merely because they have no eyes on their faces? Low blow sir, they can see perfectly well with their helm-eyes, thank you very much.
40k and AoS demons are not the same anymore.. ever since the trash that passes as AoS fluff decided to make Slaanesh "overeat on souls.. and be captured by the elven wonder twins
" ...
Sword Of Caliban wrote: That's like saying 'why are there no AOS rules for a Land Raider'......
Give it time.... those Sigmarines need something to travel in. Although it would need a repackage and price increase first.
And a name.
A Plane Reaver.
A Stormplane Deathmurderbloodhammerskullsreaver.
455_PWR wrote:Just got my Archaon and assembled him....
Now I know why he costs over $100!! (Got him for 128 on ebay). He is HUGE. He makes an imperial knight look small. Very cool kit, gws paint job doesn't do it justice. I've never owned another gw model with a base of this size, height, or shear magnatude.
He makes the bloodthirster look very small.
Kudos gw!
Did you just give GW kudos for making a model big, and nothing else?
By that metric, the Statue of Liberty kicks all the sand in Archaon's face, in terms of it's quality as a gaming mini.
@Vermis - I saw the model (in the box) at the store. It really is a massive model.
Of course, that's not the only criteria for a model, and personally, I don't like it -- but I can count the Chaos kits that I have liked through the years on the fingers of one hand. But, if you're into the Everchosen and the whole Chaos thing, it's a well-designed model with lots of busy chaos-y detail, and of course, bigger model = more expensive. 455_PWR did mention that he thought it was a very cool kit
Sidstyler wrote: I love how there's this little debate about whether or not the model can be used in 40k, when it's clearly just a Tzeentch daemon/sorcerer/champion and could easily fit in a CSM or daemons army if you really fething wanted it to. Nothing about this model makes it unique to the AoS universe at all, at least not any more than any of the dozens of other daemon models that have been released.
It's just a sorcerer on a disk at the end of the day, one that's "fancier" than normal and costs twice as much.
Humm that kind of applies to most miniatures if you think about it... even the mighty glottkin can be just a guo and the other brothers just a lord and sorcerer.
Most miniatures these days can be used/ converted to other games or systems if you wanted too.
Good Deity above, Navarro!
Do you mean to say that GW figures are not jewel-like objects of magic and wonder?
Sidstyler wrote: I love how there's this little debate about whether or not the model can be used in 40k, when it's clearly just a Tzeentch daemon/sorcerer/champion and could easily fit in a CSM or daemons army if you really fething wanted it to. Nothing about this model makes it unique to the AoS universe at all, at least not any more than any of the dozens of other daemon models that have been released.
It's just a sorcerer on a disk at the end of the day, one that's "fancier" than normal and costs twice as much.
Humm that kind of applies to most miniatures if you think about it... even the mighty glottkin can be just a guo and the other brothers just a lord and sorcerer.
Most miniatures these days can be used/ converted to other games or systems if you wanted too.
Good Deity above, Navarro!
Do you mean to say that GW figures are not jewel-like objects of magic and wonder?
That's HERESY!!!!!
How does that comment add to the discussion? It's sarcastic and totally unnecessary regarding the topic of rumors or the miniatures discussed. I feel like a mod should delete it... oh wait.....
I think he was kidding with Navarro / not serious (as we all know - Navarro's awesome )
Since there is no news to discuss, probably best to just let this thread lie until the inevitable dwarf spoilers are leaked... can't be long now! But nothing to be gained by discussing with a lack of information till then.
Sidstyler wrote: I love how there's this little debate about whether or not the model can be used in 40k, when it's clearly just a Tzeentch daemon/sorcerer/champion and could easily fit in a CSM or daemons army if you really fething wanted it to. Nothing about this model makes it unique to the AoS universe at all, at least not any more than any of the dozens of other daemon models that have been released.
It's just a sorcerer on a disk at the end of the day, one that's "fancier" than normal and costs twice as much.
Humm that kind of applies to most miniatures if you think about it... even the mighty glottkin can be just a guo and the other brothers just a lord and sorcerer.
Most miniatures these days can be used/ converted to other games or systems if you wanted too.
Good Deity above, Navarro!
Do you mean to say that GW figures are not jewel-like objects of magic and wonder?
That's HERESY!!!!!
Funny enough they do have the magic to empty my wallet many times.
RiTides wrote: I think he was kidding with Navarro / not serious (as we all know - Navarro's awesome )
Since there is no news to discuss, probably best to just let this thread lie until the inevitable dwarf spoilers are leaked... can't be long now! But nothing to be gained by discussing with a lack of information till then.
In case anyone forgot about the leaked dwarf sprue:
I like! I wonder if there will be others? Or if the rest will just be reboxing.
This much of a change in slayer aesthetic? There's gotta be more.
And they wouldn't like to be selling the current slayers, which haven't even gone through the finecast transformation, in bulk, I'd guess, so expect some ridiculously gaudy way overpriced slayer kit with none of the character, but a lot of fething baubles slapped on
1x Hero
1x Priest/Totem Bearer
1x Shiny new slayer boxset - makes 5, on 32mm bases
1x Fyre Slayer riding a monster (maybe the Lava Worms that were mentioned).
I.cannot.wait
The first mortal Order release, and when it smashes apart Stormcast sales, GW are gonna get a wake up call and realize most of us who play fantasy want Dwarves, Elves and puny humans with no shoes rather than Space Marines that get sent back to a respawn point every time they die.
Bottle wrote: My prediction for the Fyre Slayers is:
1x Hero
1x Priest/Totem Bearer
1x Shiny new slayer boxset - makes 5, on 32mm bases
1x Fyre Slayer riding a monster (maybe the Lava Worms that were mentioned).
I.cannot.wait
The first mortal Order release, and when it smashes apart Stormcast sales, GW are gonna get a wake up call and realize most of us who play fantasy want Dwarves, Elves and puny humans with no shoes rather than Space Marines that get sent back to a respawn point every time they die.
I would guess some kind of war machine rather than a monster. They said something about bringing back the axe thrower machine on Warhammer Weekly.
The first mortal Order release, and when it smashes apart Stormcast sales, GW are gonna get a wake up call and realize most of us who play fantasy want Dwarves, Elves and puny humans with no shoes rather than Space Marines that get sent back to a respawn point every time they die.
The first mortal Order release, and when it smashes apart Stormcast sales, GW are gonna get a wake up call and realize most of us who play fantasy want Dwarves, Elves and puny humans with no shoes rather than Space Marines that get sent back to a respawn point every time they die.
That's fine. But personally I want to see the mortal dudes. The dwarves and the human. The small and ordinary people who are just struggling to survive, if they still exist, that is. That's why I'm watching out for the dwarf releases.
godswildcard wrote: I will probably buy a regiment of slayers if they can be ranked up on 20x20 bases. Otherwise I'll be scouring eBay to snag a metal regiment.
I have it in my head that if I build one or two more fantasy armies I will always be able to get a game in. This is probably not true...
They'll likely be on 32mm and with wide open sculpts meaning they would struggle to rank up even on 25mm squares.
If you're still playing 8th or KoW or anything other than AoS, you won't be doing it in a GW store so won't be bound to use their minis only - why not get a set of Avatars of War Dwarf Bezerkers? It looks like a fantastic kit of plastic not-slayers that ranks up well on 20mm square bases.
To be honest, it doesn't really matter what bases you put your minis on, as long as it's appropriate for the model. They'd rank up just fine if the bases are big enough. Though for my tastes, I enjoy rounds a lot more than squares. Takes longer to move stuff mind, but they look nicer.
Anywho... Come on rumourmongers- need to see more dollies!!
I don't like much about AoS, but I am curious what the Steamhead Duardin are going to look like as a faction if they actually get new models in the coming months.
Agreed, the new dwarves (I'm not deigning to call them whatever bs copyright name GW thought up) are the faction I'd like to see the most. If they look great, I could even fathom the idea of getting a small lot of them. Small games work well with AOS from what I understand, plus the simple ruleset means I could maybe get non-gamers like my wife into it.
the_Armyman wrote: I don't like much about AoS, but I am curious what the Steamhead Duardin are going to look like as a faction if they actually get new models in the coming months.
From what I understood, the steamhead are the current range of dwarves and they will not be new relaese for it (at least in the short to medium term). All the new dwarves release will be for the new subfaction of fireslayers.
Yep, Sad Panda only confirmed Fyre Slayers for Jan IIRC.
The Steamhead will likely be the Dwarf new releases of 2014 (Longbeards, Hammerers, Iron Drakes, Iron Breakers, Gyrocoptors and Characters) repackaged. And there is no rumoured date for that happening either.
Talys wrote: Just for kicks, from this week's White Dwarf. I don't think you can buy this as a web bundle any time soon, though.
I wonder how many hours to paint!!
Probably a few thousand. There's several hundred models, if not more than a thousand in that image and the chaos fortress is also fully painted. GW's painters probably took their holiday after painting all of that.
Man, I literally thought those were space marines especially the ones closest to the camera, which have something that looks close to an ultramine symbol on their shoulder pads...
RiTides wrote: Man, I literally thought those were space marines especially the ones closest to the camera, which have something that looks close to an ultramine symbol on their shoulder pads...
Bottle wrote:Yep, Sad Panda only confirmed Fyre Slayers for Jan IIRC.
The Steamhead will likely be the Dwarf new releases of 2014 (Longbeards, Hammerers, Iron Drakes, Iron Breakers, Gyrocoptors and Characters) repackaged. And there is no rumoured date for that happening either.
That's a shame. The Fyre Slayers hold no interest for me.
Talys wrote:Just for kicks, from this week's White Dwarf. I don't think you can buy this as a web bundle any time soon, though.
Spoiler:
I wonder how many hours to paint!!
Unless that's a display in Warhammer World or they explicitly say in the caption otherwise, I have to think that that pic's been 'Shopped. GW uses the clone tool in a ton of their marketing pics.
Talys wrote: Just for kicks, from this week's White Dwarf. I don't think you can buy this as a web bundle any time soon, though.
I wonder how many hours to paint!!
They got the big chaos models in the pic but no celestant prime to combat them!!! Terrible!! Sigmar is slacking off!!! Archaon needs Ghal Maraz smashed into his ugly helmeted face......
Automatically Appended Next Post: My bad, I just spotted the celestant prime!!! :-S
RiTides wrote: Man, I literally thought those were space marines especially the ones closest to the camera, which have something that looks close to an ultramine symbol on their shoulder pads...
RiTides wrote: Man, I literally thought those were space marines especially the ones closest to the camera, which have something that looks close to an ultramine symbol on their shoulder pads...
the legs don't work for me as Space Marine legs, at all...
somehow, it works on the Custodes, though, as they have a more archaic armor style...
looking forward to some Fire Slayers next month!!!
bring on the beards...
cheers
jah
Agreed on the legs. The chest armor is all wrong as well. However, if someone brought those models to the table, I wouldn't be further about them being played as BA.
@cas: at least the chest gets hidden by the gun arms, for the most part...
the SE legs just look so skinny compared to Marine style leg armor, that they look like Men in Tights...
i'm all for people having fun with their conversions, though, especially since it seems to be perceived as a dying art these days, for some odd reason...
it has been a long few months since we got teased with the Fire Slayer pic...
i am so excited to see what kind of elemental relation they have with fire, if the pic was Grimnir, and whether or not we will get a plastic unit box of Slayers...
i've been waiting 30 years for a plastic Slayer box, and i'm excited to see if GW can top Avatars of War's effort...
Huh, will you look at that, it seems someone on the AoS promotions team has discovered that big blocks of ranked infantry make for an impressive and, dare I say, cinematic tabletop.
Yodhrin wrote: Huh, will you look at that, it seems someone on the AoS promotions team has discovered that big blocks of ranked infantry make for an impressive and, dare I say, cinematic tabletop.
Who'da thunkit
"Boy, moving all these models sure is tedious! If only there were a rank basing tray system to move around large groups of models at a time..."
Yodhrin wrote: Huh, will you look at that, it seems someone on the AoS promotions team has discovered that big blocks of ranked infantry make for an impressive and, dare I say, cinematic tabletop.
Who'da thunkit
"Boy, moving all these models sure is tedious! If only there were a rank basing tray system to move around large groups of models at a time..."
The Get Started Bundles are up on the New Zealand store- looks like Warriors, Seraphon, Khorne daemons, Nurgle Daemons, Undead, and Orruks get one. There's a couple book combos too for Bloodbound and Seraphon. They all apparently come with their own Warscroll Battalion, though maybe only in the box?
It's probably poisoned. Anyone gets a good deal dies. People will inherently steer away from good deals seeing them as dangerous, and enjoy the higher prices because they seem more safe.
GW thought you were getting complacent in your criticism of their policies, so they threw this one out there just to confuse you and keep you off balance
GW thought you were getting complacent in your criticism of their policies, so they threw this one out there just to confuse you and keep you off balance
Perhaps they're hoping their critics will drop dead from sheer surprise
These are legitimately good deals. Since the Tau release I feel that GW has been on the right track (well, as much as they CAN be on the right track). You can get one from a discount retailer and get them for 20% off as well. Killer deals.
Fyreslayers Hearthguard (5 miniatures) - 33€ 25£ 40$
Slayers with shorter beards with what looks like shooting weapons, greataxes or some sort of flail halberd.
Fyreslayer Vulkite Berserkers (10 miniatures) - 45€ 35£ 60$
Slayers with dual axes, or a bladed shield coupled with an axe or pickaxe.
Fyreslayer Auric Runemaster (1 model) 23€ 18£ 30$
This is not the one we saw on the sprue, that one carries some sort of brazero staff and he... he... he has no mustache!
SURPRISE! The WD shows the models that have yet to be released everywhere. I find the new giant salamander to be absolutely gorgeous. IMO in term of design they take models like the slaughterbrute, break them in half, throw the parts into an incinerator and bury the ashes 3 feet under.
For those wondering, Fyreslayers use the Ur-Gold to create runes over their own body. I have no time to actually read the WD but I'll come back later if there is anything interesting. I think that army design is a success.
Joyboozer wrote: I'm not sure I understand the sentence following Suprise.
I'm pretty sure it means that the WD shows a lot of models that will be only released the weeks after, while usually everything stays secret until their own week of release.
The start collecting bundles look good. OK they look cheap because they are usually expensive, but still..
Seraphon - for £50 you get the carnosaur which is normally £50 just on itself and then a box of cold one cav and 12 lizard warriors (just over half a box). Saving about £32.
Undead about £23 saving. Shame that the big thing in that is a mortis engine/throne thing, I doubt that is something you'd want many of. I'll probably get one box of that though.
Nurgle about a £33 saving, and something I can see being useful in multiples.
Orcs about £22 saving and again pretty good in multiples.
The undead seems the worst to me, just because it has something that is more single centerpiece and where as the others I can see being useful being purchased multiple times. All come with a battalion warscroll as well for the models in them by the sounds, which is a nice touch.
Joyboozer wrote: I'm not sure I understand the sentence following Suprise.
I'm pretty sure it means that the WD shows a lot of models that will be only released the weeks after, while usually everything stays secret until their own week of release.
That would be most welcome! They really lost momentum not showing anything but marines/chaos... dwarfs and salamanders are the kind of thing that could actually get most fantasy genre folks interested.
Looks like there might be 5 kits coming for Fyreslayers then? 2 foot units, 1 cav (unless the lizard is a character), and 2 characters. That's definitely more than I expected. Can't wait to see the models. Wonder if the Steamhead side is going to get a 1-week reboxing in February then and if both are going to get battle tomes.
Ouuuch! Those kits are really pricey. I am pretty interested in Fireslayers (I love Dungeons and Dragons Azers) but man, I cannot see myself paying 4.50 per dude for the cheapest set!
Could be wrong if the models are REALLY nice, but I'm more likely to sculpt fire onto my AoW berserkers at this point.
We'll see how cool the Salamander is. If it's really over priced or over-busy, I'll give it a miss. But this is the AoS release I'll be watching the most closely.
Just checked out the getting started bundles, those are mostly a good deal. I might pick the Nurgle one up to use the plague drones as D'n'D Chasme demons.
RiTides wrote: $6 each is the cheapest right? Not bad for skirmish but yeah makes it a bit crazy for a mass battle.
But it IS a skirmish game RiTides! Honest injun it is! Pay no attention to the WD articles recommending you buy multiples of each kit, or the promo photos with hundreds of models, it is totes a skirmish game, GW pinkie-swears it.
RiTides wrote: $6 each is the cheapest right? Not bad for skirmish but yeah makes it a bit crazy for a mass battle.
But it IS a skirmish game RiTides! Honest injun it is! Pay no attention to the WD articles recommending you buy multiples of each kit, or the promo photos with hundreds of models, it is totes a skirmish game, GW pinkie-swears it.
Obviously they're gonna want you to buy lots for it. Doesn't mean it doesn't work well as a skirmish game or that you're forced to buy lots to play it.
The AOS bundles are a pretty good deal! I think that's a good move- if the game is so unstructured and up to player agreements/planning, it would help that the kits aren't priced so high.
However, those dwarves sound pretty expensive, especially given they're dwarves and not as big as other models. This follows what I've been expecting for AOS- cheapened boxes for old armies, but blisteringly expensive releases for all new kits. I guess time will tell if that's a good strategy.
Accolade wrote: The AOS bundles are a pretty good deal! I think that's a good move- if the game is so unstructured and up to player agreements/planning, it would help that the kits aren't priced so high.
However, those dwarves sound pretty expensive, especially given they're dwarves and not as big as other models. This follows what I've been expecting for AOS- cheapened boxes for old armies, but blisteringly expensive releases for all new kits. I guess time will tell if that's a good strategy.
One of the things I've noticed with the new AoS stuff is that it makes much better use of the volume afforded by larger round bases.
Dwarfs previously had to fit/rank up on a 20x20mm box, and still be Dwarf height.
With a non-ranking 25mm base (minimum), I'd expect to see far more dynamic posing - even for Dwarfs - bigger hair, bigger axes, etc. etc. But we'll see in a few days, I guess.
Just to be clear I meant the comment genuinely - it's not a bad price for a skirmish game at all. However, I'm running my dwarfs for mass / ranked battles so probably won't be of much use... still very interested in seeing them!
RiTides wrote: $6 each is the cheapest right? Not bad for skirmish but yeah makes it a bit crazy for a mass battle.
But it IS a skirmish game RiTides! Honest injun it is! Pay no attention to the WD articles recommending you buy multiples of each kit, or the promo photos with hundreds of models, it is totes a skirmish game, GW pinkie-swears it.
Obviously they're gonna want you to buy lots for it. Doesn't mean it doesn't work well as a skirmish game or that you're forced to buy lots to play it.
Yes and you can play 40K at 750 points, but most people don't. GW clearly want AoS to be a Fantasy version of 40K, which means they'll pitch it as a "cinematic skirmish game" when it suits them, but most of their marketing(such as it is) and add-on content will be geared towards steering the community into adopting a much bigger standard game size.
There are a few factors in place to encourage larger armies (such as units getting more effective and unlocking abilities at higher numbers and the warscroll battalions). But really there is isn't much incentive to play AoS large scale in my experience.
There's no points, no percentages for Core, Heroes, Lords, Special and Rare - nothing as intrinsic as rank bonus or horde rules. There's not really any 'standard of play' for an AoS force and my experience is it is played at a much smaller size than WHFB. Even GW seems to push this with official warhammer world events being limited to 30/60 or 100 models a side.
*shrug* I think GW and PP stuff is overpriced even if it is for skirmish.
The market is much more competitive now. I've got a lot more options than paying full price for a pretty pathetic number of models.
Stuff like the new boxed deals are a great idea, and I'm all for it, but it's true that they only look so good because the basic kits have become so expensive.
Bottle wrote: There are a few factors in place to encourage larger armies (such as units getting more effective and unlocking abilities at higher numbers and the warscroll battalions). But really there is isn't much incentive to play AoS large scale in my experience.
There's no points, no percentages for Core, Heroes, Lords, Special and Rare - nothing as intrinsic as rank bonus or horde rules. There's not really any 'standard of play' for an AoS force and my experience is it is played at a much smaller size than WHFB. Even GW seems to push this with official warhammer world events being limited to 30/60 or 100 models a side.
A 60 model/side game where the models cost around £5-ish and £20-ish each for infantry and cavalry respectively on average, which is where GW seem to be heading with the new miniatures, is actually *more* expensive than many WHFB armies were.
Which is rather my point; the "standard" game size that GW seem to be hoping people will gravitate towards might be smaller in terms of number of models on the table than WHFB, but the prices are still high enough that the total outlay is going to be similar, so making the "it's skirmish so you need less models" line doesn't work.
Don't really get your point Yodrin, first you say GW are pushing towards larger games, then you say the prices are expensive so it doesn't matter if people don't play large games.
If your point was that the prices are expensive, then sure, no disagreement there.
Some quote thievery, still coming from the previous source:
The way the scales are done, especially on the head, they kind of remind me of the demon/dragon design I would expect from Japanese or Korean video games. (multiple horns, heavily segmented horns instead of a smooth single piece).
There are two models, one carry some sort of Runemaster on a throne (which alas I find looks like he has a broom up his...), the other a lord with some awesome weapons, some actually designed long enough that the dwarf can hit something smaller than a Carnosaur with it.
Keywords are Order, Duardin, Fyreslayers.
A few more nuggets of info from the WD:
- Fyreslayers are born from the fight between Grimnir and Vulcatrix.
- Fyreslayers believe that in Ur-Gold resides the essence of Grimnir, their shattered God.
- Ur-Gold is magical. There is a funny rule when you play a Runemaster where your opponent chooses one of his units as carrying some gold, and thanks to it said unit can reroll all 1 to wound. But better not let the Runemaster get close enough and realize you are carrying the gold or the Fyreslayers will go all chop chop on you.
- When they insert Ur-Gold runes in their flesh, their God's energy starts flowing through their vein. This lead to things like being surrounded by flames, striking harder, more resilient skin (I suppose that's why they have 5+ save).
This is how each of their chapters is organized:
- Chapter mast.. no wait what am I saying? I mean Auric Runefather.
- Below that is the Auric Runemaster (the one in the WD)
- Auric Runesmiters
- Grimwrath Berzerkers
- Auric Runesons
- Hearthguard Berzerkers and Auric Hearthguard (the ones in the WD)
- Battlesmiths
- Vulkite Berzerkers (the ones in the WD)
PS- They're not actually called Chapters as you already guessed, but I don't know how to translate the real name in English.
Sorry but there are quite frankly too many things in the WD for me to read everything.
More seriously, you have to keep in mind that these models are very naked, and you know that GW always has issues when doing muscles and they are no exception. But considering they didn't go all Rob Liefield on them and considering the positive reaction people had regarding the new Blood Marauders replacements (whatever they are called) I expect the Fyreslayers design will be well received.
I was just reading the thread ready to post stuff in here
Very interested to see the salamander and its East-Asian dragon inspired head!
Cannot wait for this coming White Dwarf actually. If it pictures the entire range it's going to help me choose which unit I am going for (as I'll only be getting one I think).
Bottle wrote: Very interested to see the salamander and its East-Asian dragon inspired head!
I think its choice of words is poor on that one thought. I see where he is coming by referring Asian video games, but I fear a lot of people won't think about modern game like Monster Hunters or Final Fantasy where the dragon shape is actually heavily inspired by the classical European dragon, but instead think about the traditional Chinese Dragon.
Yeah Grimwrath really isn't that bad in the GW scheme of things. They're no Nemesis Doom Fists or Dreadnought Blood Fists.
I'm just sad they took the Hearthguard name for some of their units. That was a Squat thing and, in a perfect world, the name for the Veteran Devastator Squad that they should have made for Marine armies.
Please point me to the answer if someone already spoke to this but with the move in GW plastics, which I quite like, of anchoring a dynamic pose, I wonder if new AoS duardin will be versions of improvements on the dragon slayer.
Da Boss wrote: *shrug* I think GW and PP stuff is overpriced even if it is for skirmish.
The market is much more competitive now. I've got a lot more options than paying full price for a pretty pathetic number of models.
Stuff like the new boxed deals are a great idea, and I'm all for it, but it's true that they only look so good because the basic kits have become so expensive.
Exactly. GW customers have been conditioned to their outrageous prices for so long, so now their "deals" look great in comparison. In reality they're still too much.
While I'll never buy them since I don't play Dwarves, I too am interested in seeing these new Fire Slayers. Basically anything that can be used for previous editions/9th age intrigues me.
Before the web bundles offered little to no savings, but now 85$ for army bundles sounds like a workable deal.
There sales must have been really bad for Xmas to offer such late deals.
It has been explained time and time and time again:
WEB BUNDLES WITHOUT A BOX CONTAIN NO SAVINGS. EVER.
If you do not see a boxed set in the photographs? There's no savings. It's been like this for over a year, at least.
Before the web bundles offered little to no savings, but now 85$ for army bundles sounds like a workable deal.
There sales must have been really bad for Xmas to offer such late deals.
It has been explained time and time and time again:
WEB BUNDLES WITHOUT A BOX CONTAIN NO SAVINGS. EVER.
If you do not see a boxed set in the photographs? There's no savings. It's been like this for over a year, at least.
Please tell me you are being sarcastic so I can keep onto one of my few shreds of faith in humanity today... The bundles undeniably offer savings, unless the price or models listed are wrong.
The one click bundles (many of which still exist on GWs website), made up of multiple independent boxes don't give discount (they're just for Grannys etc to buy little jimmy for Christmas)
these new box sets which are all the sprues are stuck in a single brand new printed box when sold like that do give discounts (and great ones too) which is what these latest 12 boxes are
Before the web bundles offered little to no savings, but now 85$ for army bundles sounds like a workable deal.
There sales must have been really bad for Xmas to offer such late deals.
It has been explained time and time and time again:
WEB BUNDLES WITHOUT A BOX CONTAIN NO SAVINGS. EVER.
If you do not see a boxed set in the photographs? There's no savings. It's been like this for over a year, at least.
Please tell me you are being sarcastic so I can keep onto one of my few shreds of faith in humanity today... The bundles undeniably offer savings, unless the price or models listed are wrong.
He isn't referring to the boxed sets. He's referring to the other bundles. Box sets off (great) savings, bundles typically (although not always) don't have any discount. It's happened where the bundles have clocked in a bit cheaper, but the vast majority just cost the sum of their parts.
He's going crazy because people continually beat to death that the bundles aren't discounted. It gets stated, often and repeatedly (and usually by the same people each time, to boot)
Before the web bundles offered little to no savings, but now 85$ for army bundles sounds like a workable deal.
There sales must have been really bad for Xmas to offer such late deals.
It has been explained time and time and time again:
WEB BUNDLES WITHOUT A BOX CONTAIN NO SAVINGS. EVER.
If you do not see a boxed set in the photographs? There's no savings. It's been like this for over a year, at least.
Please tell me you are being sarcastic so I can keep onto one of my few shreds of faith in humanity today... The bundles undeniably offer savings, unless the price or models listed are wrong.
He isn't referring to the boxed sets. He's referring to the other bundles. Box sets off (great) savings, bundles typically (although not always) don't have any discount. It's happened where the bundles have clocked in a bit cheaper, but the vast majority just cost the sum of their parts.
He's going crazy because people continually beat to death that the bundles aren't discounted. It gets stated, often and repeatedly (and usually by the same people each time, to boot)
To just clarify,
All I was trying to say was that no good bundle deals for AOS have even come out yet, and that I was glad to see a little light at the end of the Games Workshop tunnel, with them not jacking the price.
Everyone knows that the Box bundles that go to store tend to be cheaper than the web offer, so no need to go on a CAP LOCK tantrum over basic info I would assume most people already know.
For the record, GW has been doing right by AoS. The Sylvanaeth box was great value for money (even though I use it for Ninth age rather then AoS) and these starter sets are also great value.
But with these good deals, we also get the pricing of the Dreadfort and the new Chaos Knights, GW is so inconsistent. But hey, at least with inconsistency they get it right some of the time.
I do have to admit, those "Start Collecting" bundles are really decent- and this is from a long time GW price-hater. I have not bought a retail GW product in a couple of years, only though Ebay and the bitz guy at GenCon. If not for having to instantly buy and paint two of them to even play AoS (I have noone in the near area who plays, so I'd have to beg my wife or close buddy to play the other force), the price would not keep my away, which is something I haven't said about GW stuff in a looooong time.
Even if I did not use them with the AoS ruleset, I could see one of these bundles being fun for something skirmish-based like Song of Blades and Heroes, because it's a nice bundle of a large model, a bunch of cav, and infantry, with an easy conversion here or there for a hero or two for the forces that don't just have one of them already in the form of a mage, leader, and/or standard bearer.
The Undead one looks stupid as all hell, with no skeletons or zombies, but the others would be a good starter force.
It's like we are seeing the barest glimmer of comprehension from GW.
The Start Collecting Seraphon is a bloody good deal by GW's normal standards. Oldblood on Carnosaur is normally priced £50 by itself, so in one way you get another £35 worth of Knights and Warriors for free. It's still expensive compared to historical figures. No surprise there. So everyone is right! Hurrah!!
Of course you won't find an army that looks like Lizard Men in any other product catalogue, and the GW offering includes a wide range of different units, so you can actually build up a varied and characterful army.
I think Oldblood on Carnosaur was badly overpriced so GW have decided to bundle him to offer more value and get people playing Lizard Men.
A few more pics added to this thread: AoS Fyreslayers...mmmhttp://www.warhammer-forum.com/index.php?showtopic=237225&page=4 Love the look and the monster/salamander thingy
I haven't tried pics on a forum yet but until I figure that out, more is only a link away
I like both the beasts and the bezerkers but, and maybe it's just me or just a matter of seeing them for the first time, there is a little something off about the two together.
And since this will undoubtedly be a sore point: if bare stunties make you feel uncomfortable, you could always paint them up to be wearing skin tight catsuits.
"Feels like I'm wearing nothing at all. Nothing at all. Nothing at all."
Slayers have aways worn very little! I think they will look great with a darker paint scheme and some warpaint. Hmm..might have to give AOS a go after all...
Jesus those are so cool. This feels like the first really great example of what round bases with no need to rank up can do for dynamic poses. And the Salamanders are insane! I think these will sell way better than both Stormcast and Bloodbound.
The salamander is the best looking thing. But I think ill wait for one of those start collecting boxes if and IF I bother
. I think the red skin paint scheme would have worked better honestly. As it just looks like a bunch of Viking dawrfs who think clothing is so last season..... my slayer army had more clothing than those guys.
Hmmm. They look to be suffering from scale creep pretty bad.
They look nicely executed, but they're not what I was hoping for. I was looking for a more firey elemental dwarf, these guys are not that much of a departure from the slayers I already own.
The helmets and all are fine I guess but I do like my old school slayers and all their goofy charm.
The Salamander likewise is a cool enough monster, on par with the carnosaur, but I'm not sure if I would be bothered picking one up for the price.
In a way it's good, because now I'm not tempted to pay over the top prices for these models
Da Boss wrote: Hmmm. They look to be suffering from scale creep pretty bad.
They look nicely executed, but they're not what I was hoping for. I was looking for a more firey elemental dwarf, these guys are not that much of a departure from the slayers I already own.
The helmets and all are fine I guess but I do like my old school slayers and all their goofy charm.
The Salamander likewise is a cool enough monster, on par with the carnosaur, but I'm not sure if I would be bothered picking one up for the price.
In a way it's good, because now I'm not tempted to pay over the top prices for these models
Exactly Boss... they should have stuck with the elemental fire theme and well while it's possible I may get some they probably will be just for display/painting rather than playing.
Nice enough but I expected far more because of the artwork.... then again no other race should out bling the Sigmarines.
I Like them. I think that some of the silly poses could be avoided by building them differently.
Now, if only they could release some rules that weren't written in 5 minutes, and retcon the fluff completely and make it more like the old world and less like a Korean MMO
Oh man these look AWESOME!! Exactly the sort of release AoS needs! Now I just need to figure out which set I am going to get to go with my army. The 10 slayers or the giant salamander!?
Bottle wrote: Oh man these look AWESOME!! Exactly the sort of release AoS needs! Now I just need to figure out which set I am going to get to go with my army. The 10 slayers or the giant salamander!?
This sort of thinking will only stress you out, 'did I make the right choice' etc. Just go for a bigger army and add both.
I'll need to double check the scale against the Avatar of War Slayers for the actual slayers but the monster is getting purchased. That thing is amazing! I'm holding out hope of some kind of standard fyreslayer calvary on smaller but similar beasties.
From the pics so far, I'm seeing flamethrowers, polearms, shields and flails on the great axes that mean the AoW Dwarfs won't do the same job without some hefty work.
Or opponents who don't care about WYSIWYG
Scale does look massive and some of the other pics show surprisingly little pose variation on other builds... But these are almost the blubderbusses I'd always been wishing for for my chaos dwarfs. If only they were smaller scale!
*sigh* Well, that's that then, scale-creep confirmed. AoS figs will be usable for AoS and Space Marine conversions, everyone else can go whistle. Which is fair enough I suppose, just disappointing - even when I wasn't playing WHFB I bought an unhealthy amount of the kits for 40K/INQ28/Mordheim conversions, but since we seem to be up into 35mm-ish scale now with AoS that won't be happening any more.
I think the flame thrower staffs are just about the coolest thing I've ever seen. In general, I think it all looks pretty good (the ones with black beards quoted above look awful for some reason). Looking forward to the Warhammer TV painting videos, so that Sir Duncan can instruct me as to the proper ways of painting nipples.
Yodhrin wrote: *sigh* Well, that's that then, scale-creep confirmed. AoS figs will be usable for AoS and Space Marine conversions, everyone else can go whistle. Which is fair enough I suppose, just disappointing - even when I wasn't playing WHFB I bought an unhealthy amount of the kits for 40K/INQ28/Mordheim conversions, but since we seem to be up into 35mm-ish scale now with AoS that won't be happening any more.
Honestly, considering how much space my Iron Breakers take up on a 25mm I think they might actually be fairly close or the same as the newer dwarf stuff (longbeards and iron breakers) if these are on 32mm. And the AoW aren't small either. They are bigger already than the current GW slayers.
Will they match up with the 2001 Dwarf Plastics? Probably not but meh.
Yeah, the painting on that shield unit is pretty off-putting as well. The beards look like they were eating curry or something and it was dripping down their chins.
Looks like they're on 32mm bases. I'm glad they're chunky models. I like a little more size to my dwarfs (even if that statement seems to not make sense). The beast looks like a dual kit. Looking forward to more info/pics/rules. Sounds like they have the ward save thing going on.
coldgaming wrote: Yeah, the painting on that shield unit is pretty off-putting as well. The beards look like they were eating curry or something and it was dripping down their chins.
Looks like they're on 32mm bases. I'm glad they're chunky models. I like a little more size to my dwarfs (even if that statement seems to not make sense). The beast looks like a dual kit. Looking forward to more info/pics/rules. Sounds like they have the ward save thing going on.
Scale creep was already there with the 8th Edition update. See here Grimm Burloksonn next to 3 BfSP (7th Edition) Dwarves. Grimm is on a 32mm so he will be the same size as the Slayers roughly (maybe a bit bigger than them).
Looking at the army massed together, there isn't much differentiating one unit from another. I concede that maybe that's because we're only yet seeing one unit for the army. I would just worry that the release will be a repeat of the sigmarines, where the unit variations aren't all that different from each other beyond weapons equipped.
Also, to add the standard dakkadakka whinging, the models are incredibly mono-pose for the exorbitant cost GW is asking. The detail on the models' musculature also doesn't look very good, despite that making up a substantial part of their form.
It looks like a nice evolution of the slayer aesthetic to me. Scale creep is nothing new, and I'm OK with it because they don't look bigger than 8th edition Dwarf releases to me (and the older Dwarves are pretty darn small). The helmets alone are 1/3 of their height so I think they can look bigger at a glance when really they are mostly just thickly-built. Salamander looks meh to me, but I am thinking they will look better when quality photos come out.
Wasn't expecting full-on elemental Dwarves since the picture we had of actual slayers in AoS portrayed them as we see here. The Dwarf made from fire and lava picture was, I believe, supposed to be displaying their god.
The only thing that looks outright bad to me is the pose (and paintjob) of the shielded guys; that position is terrible for shields. I suspect the arms fit on like those from the Ogre infantry kits, limiting them to a single position before the hands are attached.
Also, prices are lol expensive but that's par for the course.
jojo_monkey_boy wrote: Looking at the army massed together, there isn't much differentiating one unit from another. I concede that maybe that's because we're only yet seeing one unit for the army. I would just worry that the release will be a repeat of the sigmarines, where the unit variations aren't all that different from each other beyond weapons equipped.
Also, to add the standard dakkadakka whinging, the models are incredibly mono-pose for the exorbitant cost GW is asking. The detail on the models' musculature also doesn't look very good, despite that making up a substantial part of their form.
The muscles do look weird on some of the models, especially the black bearded ones... But their paint job is horrid so that might contribute.
Well its about time, I am loving the look of these new Dwarves, sorry, duardin, its the first AoS release to really interest me.
Just what i was hoping for, although i was expecting some sort of monster sized machine instead of an actual monster.
Looks like its now time for me to start collecting some AoS models.
RiTides wrote: That's helpful bottle, thanks... but doesn't really change anything for me, they'll all be giants compared to my Forgeworld chaos dwarfs =/
Well yeah, but the FW Chaos Dwarfs were made to be in line with the early 2000s Dwarf releases. The ones that seemingly have no knees.
New dwarves look great, no surprise there. Wait, is it dwarfs or dwarves? because it's elves and not elfs?
I do like that start collecting lizardmen box .. even though I have everything in it already.. well, I have an old metal carnosaur which is still one of my all time favorite GW minis. Anyone know if the carnosaur in that box can be built as a troglodon instead, or does that need some extra sprue that might not be in there? Might be worth picking up if so. Are they planning to keep those start collecting sets, as not-battleforce boxes?
Necros wrote: New dwarves look great, no surprise there. Wait, is it dwarfs or dwarves? because it's elves and not elfs?
I do like that start collecting lizardmen box .. even though I have everything in it already.. well, I have an old metal carnosaur which is still one of my all time favorite GW minis. Anyone know if the carnosaur in that box can be built as a troglodon instead, or does that need some extra sprue that might not be in there? Might be worth picking up if so. Are they planning to keep those start collecting sets, as not-battleforce boxes?
Now These guys look more like the plastic Avatars of War slayers (4-5 years old now). Still great, but, as people are mentioning scale, those AoW dwarfs were a bit off GW scale and not sure what these will look like until we see a better pic with the duardin clearly next to an enemy, pref a Sigmarite and a Chaos dude.
Starting to translate the Fyreslayer Berzerker Hearthguard.
Unit size is 5 or more models, units can either be full Berzerker Broadaxes or Flamestrike Halberds. It looks like Pyresteel Throwing Axes are an "in addition to" for the primary weapons, but can't tell for sure.
Their first special rule is as follows:
Duty until Death:
The Berzerkers Hearthguard have sworn to protect their houses and Masters to their last breath. Whenever this unit suffers a wound or a Mortal Wound, roll a D6. On a roll of 6 or more, the wound is ignored. Add 2 to the result if a Fyreslayer Hero in your army is within 10 " of that unit.
Second special rule is as follows:
Incandescent Braziers:
The brazier chained to each Flamestrike Poleaxe ignites on the weapon when the enemy is struck , leaving a trail of sparks and flames. Whenever a figure attacking with Flamestrike Poleaxe gets a hit, roll a D6. On a 3 or more , the target suffers a mortal wound after the attacks have been resolved.
Normal caveat of translations may be wonky applies.
reds8n wrote: yeah, bit of a PITA for people but not too surprising.
.. although if they get much bigger not sure we can keep calling them "dwarfs"
They're like Thorin-sized Dwarves from the Hobbit movie. At least slightly smaller than human heroes legends. At the right camera angle!
In seriousness, a little hard to tell. Generally speaking, really nice looking dwarf models, but dwarves aren't my thing unless they're space-ish dwarves that suddenly the Tyranid didn't wipe out. Boy would I get excited if those came back!
Necros wrote: New dwarves look great, no surprise there. Wait, is it dwarfs or dwarves? because it's elves and not elfs?
I do like that start collecting lizardmen box .. even though I have everything in it already.. well, I have an old metal carnosaur which is still one of my all time favorite GW minis. Anyone know if the carnosaur in that box can be built as a troglodon instead, or does that need some extra sprue that might not be in there? Might be worth picking up if so. Are they planning to keep those start collecting sets, as not-battleforce boxes?
If in doubt, ask! Drop them an email!
I did just that! good news
This box set contains all of the parts to make a Scar-Veteran on Carnosaur, an Oldblood on Carnosaur, or a Troglodon.
Now.. can a FLGS get these or is it more direct only shenanigans?
I don't think there will be that many up for preorder. It sounds like it will be the Berzerker Hearthguard this week and then another unit next week, then the book and heroes later.
Necros wrote: New dwarves look great, no surprise there. Wait, is it dwarfs or dwarves? because it's elves and not elfs?
I do like that start collecting lizardmen box .. even though I have everything in it already.. well, I have an old metal carnosaur which is still one of my all time favorite GW minis. Anyone know if the carnosaur in that box can be built as a troglodon instead, or does that need some extra sprue that might not be in there? Might be worth picking up if so. Are they planning to keep those start collecting sets, as not-battleforce boxes?
The GW descriptions for the separate Carnosaur kits say they can be built as each other or as a Troglogon. The sprue shown looks exactly the same in both kits, so I think probably it is the same sprue as will be found in the Starter Box kit. This makes the Starter Box an awesome buy.
[Father Dougal]Those fellas are in the nip![/Father Dougal]
Quite like those. The helmets make them look like the kind of dwarfs you'd see in a Victorian staging of The Ring Cycle. Not bad for High Fantasy - makes a change from stubby Vikings.
Mymearan wrote: Jesus those are so cool. This feels like the first really great example of what round bases with no need to rank up can do for dynamic poses. And the Salamanders are insane! I think these will sell way better than both Stormcast and Bloodbound.
I have honest doubts these Fyryslyrs are going to sell that well. The models are ok, but nothing out of the ordinary if compared to the amazing diversity of dwarf models in the market right now. The only thing that really makes them stand out, besides those helmets, is their pricing. Still remember all those people saying that AoS was a great idea as it would offer a more affordable alternative to Fantasy? I do, I do. Now the basic Fyryslyr is as expensive as the insanely priced Witch Elves, and can't even use the "dual kit" excuse.
It seems like the people being enthusiastic about the ur-slayers consist mostly of the long-suffering AoS fans who desperately hope this will be the turning point for the game.
Needless to say, I'm not convinced these hairy naturalists with oversized axes for 3-5£ per guy will be the salvation of AoS.
I think even with the increased prices it still works out a lot cheaper than WHFB. Our regular Dark Elf player used to run a horde of Witch Elves even in 1250pt games - which was £140 in a single regiment, plus all the other stuff in his army.
AoS armies are much smaller than WHFB armies from experience which still makes the game on the whole cheaper than 8th. Plus no need to buy books if you don't want to.
WHITE DWARF WEEKLY 103 (ENGLISH) 4
FYRESLAYERS AURIC RUNEMASTER plastic clamshell 30
FYRESLAYERS VULKITE BERZERKERS plastic box 60
FYRESLAYERS HEARTHGUARD plastic box 40
THE BEAST ARISES: PREDATOR/PREY (HB) 2ND BOOK IN SERIES HARD BACK 40K NOVEL 17.5
RGW: THE BRIDGE OF SEVEN SORROWS AUDIOBK 4TH IN SERIES AoS Audio Book 17.5
Zywus wrote: It seems like the people being enthusiastic about the ur-slayers consist mostly of the long-suffering AoS fans who desperately hope this will be the turning point for the game.
Well, the Fyreslayers haven't been met with universal scorn and derision, spoken of through gritted teeth and furrowed brow. That's kind of unsual for an AoS release...
I'm not a fan of the new slayers. Much like almost all AOS specific stuff, they take design features and embellishments that I like in moderation from WHFB and crank it up to an annoying 11. Slayers were my favorite unit next to the discontinued halfling subfaction in all of WHFB. Eh, no big deal though as I'm not exactly in the demographic that GW is going for with AOS.
The far-out shots look really nice to me. However, the close-up shot makes them look kinda rough, but I'm not sure if that's due to the positioning of the axes and shields or the paint job. I will reserve judgment until I see them on the website!
Yodhrin wrote: *sigh* Well, that's that then, scale-creep confirmed. AoS figs will be usable for AoS and Space Marine conversions, everyone else can go whistle. Which is fair enough I suppose, just disappointing - even when I wasn't playing WHFB I bought an unhealthy amount of the kits for 40K/INQ28/Mordheim conversions, but since we seem to be up into 35mm-ish scale now with AoS that won't be happening any more.
It's no surprise. The word right back from when the AoS set first dropped was that AoS minis were all going to be a larger scale than WHFB was.
It's not 'scale creep' so much as simply that AoS is a different scale to WHFB.
The dwarfs are gorgeous minis. I'd be all over them if they were in a scale that was useful for something other than AoS...
Bottle wrote: I think even with the increased prices it still works out a lot cheaper than WHFB. Our regular Dark Elf player used to run a horde of Witch Elves even in 1250pt games - which was £140 in a single regiment, plus all the other stuff in his army.
AoS armies are much smaller than WHFB armies from experience which still makes the game on the whole cheaper than 8th. Plus no need to buy books if you don't want to.
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I want to know if these shields can be modeled in a front facing pose, they look dumb with them waving about in the air lol.
Ugh, wow... Now let's imagine for a minute what the comments would be if Mantic released those models... The detail on the right arms and legs is just wrong. Looks like everything that can go wrong with trying to render organic shapes in HIPS. Maybe it's the paint jobs, but regardless, the poses are rediculous. Little jewel-like wonders, these most certainly are not!
Bottle wrote: I think even with the increased prices it still works out a lot cheaper than WHFB. Our regular Dark Elf player used to run a horde of Witch Elves even in 1250pt games - which was £140 in a single regiment, plus all the other stuff in his army.
AoS armies are much smaller than WHFB armies from experience which still makes the game on the whole cheaper than 8th. Plus no need to buy books if you don't want to.
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I want to know if these shields can be modeled in a front facing pose, they look dumb with them waving about in the air lol.
Ugh, wow... Now let's imagine for a minute what the comments would be if Mantic released those models... The detail on the right arms and legs is just wrong. Looks like everything that can go wrong with trying to render organic shapes in HIPS. Maybe it's the paint jobs, but regardless, the poses are rediculous. Little jewel-like wonders, these most certainly are not!
Valete,
JohnS
Yes! This is what's been on my mind. To be perfectly honest- and I don't meant this as a rag on GW- when I saw *this* photo, I thought it was from another company like Mantic and thought "those dwarves look pretty similar to the other ones". Only come to find out it's the same set with a different paint job!
I'm not sure if it's just the paint or maybe the positioning of axe and shield that's making them look kinda...crappy.
And I say this thinking that in all the other pictures they look much better. But since this is the main close-up...well, I'm curious to see them close up in more shots.
well after seeing the other pics, they are dissapointing, since it seems that they are monopose. The one with the shields are particuliarly bad
(shields are too small and it looks like you can only build them with the shields up in the air). At the price they are, I'd expect more than them having that same ridiculous pose. And, as some have said, don't know f it's the paintjob or something, but it seems like they are suffering from a severe case of catachanitist
If you look at the dwarves directly below the neck of the furthest away Lava Salamander it looks like the shields might be able to be modeled down and forward facing/sideward facing.
Ugh, wow... Now let's imagine for a minute what the comments would be if Mantic released those models... The detail on the right arms and legs is just wrong. Looks like everything that can go wrong with trying to render organic shapes in HIPS. Maybe it's the paint jobs, but regardless, the poses are rediculous. Little jewel-like wonders, these most certainly are not!
Valete,
JohnS
Really can't understand how those shield clad Fireslayers are supposed to sell this new wave. They are truly atrocious looking models...the sculpting of the muscles around the arms and legs is so bad looking, the poses are a throwback to the bad parts of very retro plastic models, the shield arms don't look like they can pose in many ways due to the way the beards taper out around the chest and belly area, and the paint job is just bizarre
Hard to get enamoured with the fluff behind this army but I think I'll pick up a box or two as conversion fodder for my WHFB Slayer army. The scale creep leaves me cold but don't think it's impossible to mix these guys in with pre-existing dwarfs. I think the important thing is that the paint job undermines them and would like to see some of the work people do on them once they go on release.
Wow. Those Dwarves are terrible. At the risk of being called a hater, I don't find any of the Age Of Stinkmore models exciting or even well designed. And with the ridiculous pricing, one has to wonder how long this can go on.
Yodhrin wrote: *sigh* Well, that's that then, scale-creep confirmed. AoS figs will be usable for AoS and Space Marine conversions, everyone else can go whistle. Which is fair enough I suppose, just disappointing - even when I wasn't playing WHFB I bought an unhealthy amount of the kits for 40K/INQ28/Mordheim conversions, but since we seem to be up into 35mm-ish scale now with AoS that won't be happening any more.
It's no surprise. The word right back from when the AoS set first dropped was that AoS minis were all going to be a larger scale than WHFB was.
It's not 'scale creep' so much as simply that AoS is a different scale to WHFB.
The dwarfs are gorgeous minis. I'd be all over them if they were in a scale that was useful for something other than AoS...
Hmm. I could take or leave the Fyreslayers(ugh, get a grip GW, using a Y instead of an I isn't going to stop third party folk making not-Fyreslayers), but that's mainly because they completely piss all over the basic concept of what a Slayer should be, both in the fluff and the aesthetic. It's more that they confirm that even if we eventually do get "Free Peoples" models and they look good, they'll be unusable for anything I'd want them for.
Wow. Ouch. The old Warhammer starter set monopose Orcs (not the super-old ones-the dual wielders and archer versions that have the modern orc look) from the 90's look better, and are 20 years old.
That is some truly atrocious musculature on the slayers, bad paintjob or not.
Nocturnus wrote: Wow. Those Dwarves are terrible. At the risk of being called a hater, I don't find any of the Age Of Stinkmore models exciting or even well designed. And with the ridiculous pricing, one has to wonder how long this can go on.
I feel like you may not actually be worried about "the risk of being called a hater" if you're using terms like "Age of Stinkmore".
Those shield dwarfs with the black/yellow beards are kind of a bewildering paint job. I'd be interested in seeing an alternate version. I would have presumed it was a generic hobbyist paint job, but... in the release White Dwarf?? They eyes aren't even painted in. Or they're trying for some weird effect? And the light brass is too close to the skin tones for any useful contrast...
Most likely the 4th audiobook in the death realm series dealing with a stormcast lord celestant and a certain unreliable vampire trying to find their way to the underworld to meet nagash. Fun fact in the third one nagash has "woken" up so I am quite excited for the lore developments in that audio book.
Now on the slayers I think they look great I may pick up a box.
i'll be grabbing the two characters, at least...
maybe the Salamander...
definitely not the infantry...
i prefer the 8th ed. heavy infantry, by a long shot, but the two characters look like they will be a lot of fun to paint...
love the look of the helmets and crests!!!
Oh my gosh, they're so bad. The black hair colour scheme may have been a proof of concept that somebody thought "meh, what the hell" and got added to the magazine as a filler. The bodies look monopose with separate hands, which explains why the shields are in such ridiculous positions - they're posed for holding the comedy axes.
Nocturnus wrote: Wow. Those Dwarves are terrible. At the risk of being called a hater, I don't find any of the Age Of Stinkmore models exciting or even well designed. And with the ridiculous pricing, one has to wonder how long this can go on.
I feel like you may not actually be worried about "the risk of being called a hater" if you're using terms like "Age of Stinkmore".
Those shield dwarfs with the black/yellow beards are kind of a bewildering paint job. I'd be interested in seeing an alternate version. I would have presumed it was a generic hobbyist paint job, but... in the release White Dwarf?? They eyes aren't even painted in. Or they're trying for some weird effect? And the light brass is too close to the skin tones for any useful contrast...
Fair enough. I just realized that they look to be on par with the original plastic Goliaths from Necromunda or the plastic Catachans. After buying and playing GW games for over 20 years, this game really seems to be a giant misstep. Back to the minis.
...truly atrocious looking models... the sculpting...is so bad looking... the poses are a throwback to the bad parts of very retro plastic models... the paint job is just bizarre.
...but I think I'll pick up a box or two...
You are truly the customer that GW deserves, not the customer GW needs
The dorfs are nice, if a bit big. The Salamander was predictable, in that GW loves making big, expensive plastic kits these days. IMO, the two kits they put out the last time the Dwarfs got an update--Ironbreakers/Irondrakes and Hammerers/Longbeards--are actually better.
jah-joshua wrote: i'll be grabbing the two characters, at least...
maybe the Salamander...
definitely not the infantry...
i prefer the 8th ed. heavy infantry, by a long shot, but the two characters look like they will be a lot of fun to paint...
love the look of the helmets and crests!!!
cheers
jah
Those Salamanders would be interesting to use as indigenous creatures that live on the Space marine Chapter Salamanders planet.
Chapter master on (Bike) Salamander?
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