Wha-Mu-077 wrote: I'm expecting him to have a similar base to Be'lakor, except with ruined Eldar architecture and dead Space Marines instead of whatever Be'lakor has.
Well if it's based upon the MG artwork, as so many recent character releases appear to be*, then it probably will have a dead (and burning) Marine. Only it'll be a Primaris Lieutenant rather than a very-nearly-dead Dark Angel.
I just don't want it to be the Avatar, the dead/dying Primaris Lieutenant, and then an Exarch from each temple.
*Not that that's a bad thing. Mark Gibbons is the best artist GW ever had.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: Or they'll model it with a spear in one hand and a sword in the other
This is one of the few times I could see it being modular where you can swap one or the other. I doubt they'll have any actual rule stat changes but they have given a bit more cosmetic options for the bigger kits recently.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: Or they'll model it with a spear in one hand and a sword in the other
This is one of the few times I could see it being modular where you can swap one or the other. I doubt they'll have any actual rule stat changes but they have given a bit more cosmetic options for the bigger kits recently.
True. Probably will have one or two alternate head parts too.
I'm really hoping the Morai Heg rumour is actually true. I would love to see a dual Avatar kit where one made the Crone Goddess and had some completely different rules.
Honestly, I'm just fired up for a big Craftworld release, and it certainly seems to be shaping up that way.
Gonna go out a real limb here, rife with personal wish-listing: what if that weird vehicle-looking shot is actually Vect's dais of destruction?
He was down to being a lowly slave before climbing to the top of the food chain. The quote can be a whole, "you can't really know victory unless you've tasted defeat" sort of thing.
Just spitballing as that pic looks more Drukhari than anything. I know that's obviously not what it'll be but I can dream...
The combination of font, background, and text makes it pretty obvious that this is either CWE or Ynnari, which is nice. It could actually be a surprise excerpt from the Custodes book if GW was feeling extremely mean, though.
What if 'Ynnari' and 'Corsairs' just end up as army types like Freebooterz in the Ork book? So a special rule or two, a Warlord Trait, a Strat, a Relic and, let's be generous, a special psychic power.
H.B.M.C. wrote: What if 'Ynnari' and 'Corsairs' just end up as army types like Freebooterz in the Ork book? So a special rule or two, a Warlord Trait, a Strat, a Relic and, let's be generous, a special psychic power.
I'm ok with that.
As they are the newest Aeldari around so them getting some codex love would be welcomed. C'mon I need more than 3 models, like the banshees with the alternate heads. Or a full kit for corsairs etc...
It sure would give me an excuse to add to my Ynarri, I kinda gave up on them after GW didn't go anywhere with them.
H.B.M.C. wrote: What if 'Ynnari' and 'Corsairs' just end up as army types like Freebooterz in the Ork book? So a special rule or two, a Warlord Trait, a Strat, a Relic and, let's be generous, a special psychic power.
Seems rather crappy and petty, since both are just as associated with Dark Eldar as they are with Craftworlds.
Also feels like underusing them.
streetsamurai wrote: Kinda surprised that Ynarri seems to have fallen by the wayside. Thought they would have been the eldar equivalent of primaris.
I remember hearing a rumour a while back that that was their initial intention. But after the backlash of Primaris they didn’t think Eldar could survive through it like space marines did so scrapped it until they come up with a better idea for how to release them. Or something along those lines. Could almost believe it tbhlol.
Tiberius501 wrote: I remember hearing a rumour a while back that that was their initial intention. But after the backlash of Primaris they didn’t think Eldar could survive through it like space marines did so scrapped it until they come up with a better idea for how to release them. Or something along those lines. Could almost believe it tbhlol.
It sure would be fun to find out about all the stuff GWhasn't made as much as it is for the stuff they have.
Tiberius501 wrote: I remember hearing a rumour a while back that that was their initial intention. But after the backlash of Primaris they didn’t think Eldar could survive through it like space marines did so scrapped it until they come up with a better idea for how to release them. Or something along those lines. Could almost believe it tbhlol.
It sure would be fun to find out about all the stuff GWhasn't made as much as it is for the stuff they have.
I think it would be a double edged sword. For as much gak that GW didn't go through with, there will definitely be some pretty awesome concepts that will never see the light of day and that's tragic .
Blessed is the mind too small to comprehend all the opportunities GW passed up.
Tiberius501 wrote: I remember hearing a rumour a while back that that was their initial intention. But after the backlash of Primaris they didn’t think Eldar could survive through it like space marines did so scrapped it until they come up with a better idea for how to release them. Or something along those lines. Could almost believe it tbhlol.
It sure would be fun to find out about all the stuff GWhasn't made as much as it is for the stuff they have.
I think it would be a double edged sword. For as much gak that GW didn't go through with, there will definitely be some pretty awesome concepts that will never see the light of day and that's tragic .
Blessed is the mind too small to comprehend all the opportunities GW passed up.
Yep. One of them would be the Kroot book and full army release and then I’d become a writhing corps forever tormented by what could’ve been.
H.B.M.C. wrote: What if 'Ynnari' and 'Corsairs' just end up as army types like Freebooterz in the Ork book? So a special rule or two, a Warlord Trait, a Strat, a Relic and, let's be generous, a special psychic power.
Seems rather crappy and petty, since both are just as associated with Dark Eldar as they are with Craftworlds.
Also feels like underusing them.
Not Freebootas, but on the level of Beast Snaggas, with a full set of psychic powers, relics, traits, and decent number of strategems. Mechanically, add a rule that Harlequins, Kabals, and Wych Cults can swap their faction keyword for ynnari and they are pretty well covered to the current level.
H.B.M.C. wrote: What if 'Ynnari' and 'Corsairs' just end up as army types like Freebooterz in the Ork book? So a special rule or two, a Warlord Trait, a Strat, a Relic and, let's be generous, a special psychic power.
Seems rather crappy and petty, since both are just as associated with Dark Eldar as they are with Craftworlds. Also feels like underusing them.
Not Freebootas, but on the level of Beast Snaggas, with a full set of psychic powers, relics, traits, and decent number of strategems. Mechanically, add a rule that Harlequins, Kabals, and Wych Cults can swap their faction keyword for ynnari and they are pretty well covered to the current level.
This will most likely be it. I hope.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Well this is the "Yncarne, Avatar of Ynnead" for Ynnari.
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I'm expecting any new avatar to have a similar size, but maybe not similar amounts of extra stuff, as this is excessive amounts of warp stuff attached to this.
I think the Avatar of Khaine will be bigger than the Ynnead one. Greater daemon sized. Pretty sure the FW one was already bigger than that and I don’t see a new plastic one being smaller than the FW one.
ImAGeek wrote: I think the Avatar of Khaine will be bigger than the Ynnead one. Greater daemon sized. Pretty sure the FW one was already bigger than that and I don’t see a new plastic one being smaller than the FW one.
Careful with comparisons to greater daemons. Remember they're not all the same size and the rage daemon is the puny one.
I could see it go either way, to be honest. GW's love for big centerpiece models needs no explanation, so that's on the one hand covered. On the other hand, the bodies of modern C'tan don't seem to have gone up in size compared to the Nightbringer and Deceiver in any meaningful way and they get their size and status as centerpieces from the swirly crap around them. I could actually see GW being fine with puny gods for Eldar as they seem to be for Necrons (or in other words, the War in Heaven races).
I'd be careful to dream about an embiggened Avatar until GW actually shows one, to be honest.
ImAGeek wrote: I think the Avatar of Khaine will be bigger than the Ynnead one. Greater daemon sized. Pretty sure the FW one was already bigger than that and I don’t see a new plastic one being smaller than the FW one.
Careful with comparisons to greater daemons. Remember they're not all the same size and the rage daemon is the puny one.
I could see it go either way, to be honest. GW's love for big centerpiece models needs no explanation, so that's on the one hand covered. On the other hand, the bodies of modern C'tan don't seem to have gone up in size compared to the Nightbringer and Deceiver in any meaningful way and they get their size and status as centerpieces from the swirly crap around them. I could actually see GW being fine with puny gods for Eldar as they seem to be for Necrons (or in other words, the War in Heaven races).
I'd be careful to dream about an embiggened Avatar until GW actually shows one, to be honest.
For what it's worth, here's some relatively recent official artwork featuring an especially swole Avatar. The both seem at different sizes to me. I'd certainly expect nothing smaller than the current FW model though.
@xttz: Yeah, wouldn't be bad if GW has these kinds of artworks now, that they make a new Avatar model at least look close enough to them. Would be kind of awkward if they didn't.
Dysartes wrote: I wonder if the additional colour on the frame is meant to signify something?
I'm pretty sure it's going to be a progressive image that leads either to a blood drenched Avatar of Khaine tease or Chaos corruption if GW feels like teasing an Eldar versus Chaos thing that we had rumors of. Kind of like the Christmas teases or countdown or whatever it was for AoS goblins a few years back had a cozy shack that eventually had shrooms all around it and a Bad Moon in the sky with goblins coming in from the corners.
Man a lot of new art shows cool warlocks fighting around their farseer. But I’m pretty certain they won’t be doing new Warlock models. Which makes me very sad.
Lack of rune armour makes me doubt it. I'm even iffy on the Ranger, no backpack or sniping rifle... Corsair?
The tube running out of the back to their rifles is something that Rangers have and Guardians don't...so I'd go with this being a backshot of a Ranger.
Lack of rune armour makes me doubt it. I'm even iffy on the Ranger, no backpack or sniping rifle... Corsair?
The tube running out of the back to their rifles is something that Rangers have and Guardians don't...so I'd go with this being a backshot of a Ranger.
After a quick check this looks almost exactly like the back of the current Illic model, except for much more plain and dull robe because plastic.
More interesting is indeed the changing colours around the perimeter. Is it going to bleed, die, age, rot? Hard to tell.
Definitely another Ranger though, hope we see a change up soon.
Tiberius501 wrote: Man a lot of new art shows cool warlocks fighting around their farseer. But I’m pretty certain they won’t be doing new Warlock models. Which makes me very sad.
But the newest foot warlock is barely 20 years old (ignore the fact it used the body of the rogue trader warlocks). We can hold out a bit longer for an update.
The tube running out of the back to their rifles is something that Rangers have and Guardians don't...so I'd go with this being a backshot of a Ranger.
I went through my collection and the back is definitely belonging to the second edition era Rangers, however, those didn't have tubes or backpacks. The current ones do have them, it was a while, since I dusted my collection. Seems the newer one are going to carry the backpack below the camo cloaks.
The tube running out of the back to their rifles is something that Rangers have and Guardians don't...so I'd go with this being a backshot of a Ranger.
I went through my collection and the back is definitely belonging to the second edition era Rangers, however, those didn't have tubes or backpacks. The current ones do have them, it was a while, since I dusted my collection. Seems the newer one are going to carry the backpack below the camo cloaks.
I doubt they're bothering with all the packs and pouches. Illic didn't have one, Amallyn didn't have one, and I know quite a few players who never bothered attaching them to the current models.
Tiberius501 wrote: Man a lot of new art shows cool warlocks fighting around their farseer. But I’m pretty certain they won’t be doing new Warlock models. Which makes me very sad.
But the newest foot warlock is barely 20 years old (ignore the fact it used the body of the rogue trader warlocks). We can hold out a bit longer for an update.
That's how long I've been waiting for more World Eaters
Tiberius501 wrote: Man a lot of new art shows cool warlocks fighting around their farseer. But I’m pretty certain they won’t be doing new Warlock models. Which makes me very sad.
But the newest foot warlock is barely 20 years old (ignore the fact it used the body of the rogue trader warlocks). We can hold out a bit longer for an update.
That's how long I've been waiting for more World Eaters
I hear that, with the impending warp storm the rumour engine blurb speaks of and the image seemingly getting a spray of blood, maybe they're closer than we think?
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: What if it's both, and it's for a new kind of Ranger Warlock? Like the Space Marines Phobos' Librarian.
That would be pretty cool, although is that a thing that could happen? Can warlocks walk the path of the outcast?
Rangers can come from any Path, can't they?
No, they're specifically on the path of the outcast. It's possible to have prieviously been on the path of the seer, but they wouldn't be able to fully tap the abilities they had back then without being able to focus on the role or having the relevant gear.
Having said that, path of the outcast always came across to me as an eldar that doesn't want the rigidity of craftworld life and just wants to do whatever they damn well please, so it's possible some of them could experiment with their psychic potential. Whether they're willing to risk it without much in the way of safety barriers is another matter.
While we're now contemplating the frame while we wait for anything other than Rangers, I was wondering if those two runes bear any significance. One of them stands for Dark Eldar so nothing new, but the other represents Exodites...
nou wrote: While we're now contemplating the frame while we wait for anything other than Rangers, I was wondering if those two runes bear any significance. One of them stands for Dark Eldar so nothing new, but the other represents Exodites...
I wish I could remember where it was, but there was a throwaway line somewhere recently about exodites are starting to be persuaded to leave their homeworlds to go fight. Like the bit about warp spiders yoinking some ornate armour, I can totally see this as potential foreshadowing of GW's intentions. The only reason I don't think they're likely to appear anytime soon is the total lack of rumours about them.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: What if it's both, and it's for a new kind of Ranger Warlock? Like the Space Marines Phobos' Librarian.
That would be pretty cool, although is that a thing that could happen? Can warlocks walk the path of the outcast?
Rangers can come from any Path, can't they?
Warlocks are Eldar who have trodden the path of the warrior before taking up the path of the psyker; their connection to Khaine enables them to access the more destructive powers without destroying themselves in the process.
As for the path of the outcast; yeah anyone not trapped on another path (exarchs, farseers) can just quit and go on a gap year walkabout. If they happen to have some psychic training they could theoretically tap into that and sling spells but they probably don’t have a ghosthelm so they are probably at greater risk of Perils than even regular humans. Or they should be. I have no doubt that if they do exist, that will be conveniently forgotten.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: Either way get ready to not get any answers for like a year after the advent calendar ends.
One wonders why GW even does Rumour Engines if all the hype they make is long dead by the point they reveal the thing.
Agreed. Rumour engine is a great idea in theory, but it's terribly implemented. 99% of the time we get some ambiguous boring thing that can literally be anything
I hear that, with the impending warp storm the rumour engine blurb speaks of and the image seemingly getting a spray of blood, maybe they're closer than we think?
The Big Rumour Dump said that the World Eater codex would be for much later down the pipeline though ? I'd rather bet on the bespoke Eldar vs CSM Killteam/Battle box.
The tube running out of the back to their rifles is something that Rangers have and Guardians don't...so I'd go with this being a backshot of a Ranger.
I went through my collection and the back is definitely belonging to the second edition era Rangers, however, those didn't have tubes or backpacks. The current ones do have them, it was a while, since I dusted my collection. Seems the newer one are going to carry the backpack below the camo cloaks.
Illic Nightspear has this tube from his backpack. So this could be him in plastic, or Rangers will have that detail too.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: Either way get ready to not get any answers for like a year after the advent calendar ends.
One wonders why GW even does Rumour Engines if all the hype they make is long dead by the point they reveal the thing.
Agreed. Rumour engine is a great idea in theory, but it's terribly implemented. 99% of the time we get some ambiguous boring thing that can literally be anything
The main purpouse of the rumour engine is no more than build hype and expectation without being clear.
If an image makes you believe it's a new Chaos marine part but someone else see an Inquisitor part that may be coming *Soon* then 2 different person are hooked with expectation believing something may come soon.
About the Rangers tubes, that's a pretty common thing in most of Eldar range, it seems to represent the weapon linked to the suit aiming systems albeit most of the models represent it with just a hose attached to the elbow from the grip. (guardians catapults, Wraiths and Dire avengers even some pistols )
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: Either way get ready to not get any answers for like a year after the advent calendar ends.
One wonders why GW even does Rumour Engines if all the hype they make is long dead by the point they reveal the thing.
Agreed. Rumour engine is a great idea in theory, but it's terribly implemented. 99% of the time we get some ambiguous boring thing that can literally be anything
The main purpouse of the rumour engine is no more than build hype and expectation without being clear.
Hard to build hype and expectations if by the time the thing is revealed everyone forgot about the rumour engine already, because it was a year and a half before the actual reveal.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: Hard to build hype and expectations if by the time the thing is revealed everyone forgot about the rumour engine already, because it was a year and a half before the actual reveal.
To be fair, it would be quite a feat to excite a person that is as miserable as you.
I like the rumour engine. It is probably not intended to induce hype and sustain it for months. But it is fun to talk about and sets expectations. The real hype comes when the first full images are shown. It is a way for GW to communicate to players who haven't received an update for their armies in some time: Bear with us, you are not forgotten.
Having said that, the two Eldar rumour engines and the roadmap snippet were enough to make the web awash with eldar hoaxes. So there is hype in a small subset of the playerbase.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: Hard to build hype and expectations if by the time the thing is revealed everyone forgot about the rumour engine already, because it was a year and a half before the actual reveal.
To be fair, it would be quite a feat to excite a person that is as miserable as you.
I like the rumour engine. It is probably not intended to induce hype and sustain it for months. But it is fun to talk about and sets expectations. The real hype comes when the first full images are shown. It is a way for GW to communicate to players who haven't received an update for their armies in some time: Bear with us, you are not forgotten.
Having said that, the two Eldar rumour engines and the roadmap snippet were enough to make the web awash with eldar hoaxes. So there is hype in a small subset of the playerbase.
And that hype will soon give way to frustration and apathy as months and months pass from the initial tease.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: Hard to build hype and expectations if by the time the thing is revealed everyone forgot about the rumour engine already, because it was a year and a half before the actual reveal.
To be fair, it would be quite a feat to excite a person that is as miserable as you.
I like the rumour engine. It is probably not intended to induce hype and sustain it for months. But it is fun to talk about and sets expectations. The real hype comes when the first full images are shown. It is a way for GW to communicate to players who haven't received an update for their armies in some time: Bear with us, you are not forgotten.
Having said that, the two Eldar rumour engines and the roadmap snippet were enough to make the web awash with eldar hoaxes. So there is hype in a small subset of the playerbase.
I like the rumour engine too. It's nice to speculate on future things, and by this being an official source, you can trust that it is not a hoax and everything will eventually be released (even if we sometimes need to wait for more than a year).
Do I want more rumours and previews? Yes of course, because I enjoy such things. Do I want more rumours and previews of the factions I collect? Yes of course, but I also realize that everyone does, and the things I'm not interested in might cause a lot of excitement for others, so I just keep cool about it and don't slag off the whole concept as useless because I don't always get excactly the things I want... unlike some...
Ooh, is the new rumour our first none Ranger one? Perhaps the fusion weapon on the Autarch that was rumoured or the wraith-weapon that the other source said was in the "corsair" kit.
Yeah, the "cartridge" is unlike any other Eldar weapon we have currently. Interesting.
Obviously it's heavy as it's requiring the left arm to hold the foregrip.
bullyboy wrote: Yeah, the "cartridge" is unlike any other Eldar weapon we have currently. Interesting.
Obviously it's heavy as it's requiring the left arm to hold the foregrip.
No, the stomr guardian flamer has a similar magazine.
But overall it looks like a shredder technology variant.
So my money is on a redesigned death spinner. Warp spiders!!!
bullyboy wrote: Ooh, is the new rumour our first none Ranger one? Perhaps the fusion weapon on the Autarch that was rumoured or the wraith-weapon that the other source said was in the "corsair" kit.
I'm not convinced the Day 1 pic was a Ranger. It looks almost identical to that screenshot of a Warp Spider Exarch from Dawn of War.
Today's pic looks like some kind of fusion weapon, could be the rumoured Autarch.
Waaaghbert wrote: Could be Warp-Spider-Related. Seeing as it grows larger at the End (or at least it looks like it) and resembling something like the shredder
Similar weapon mount to the Fire Dragon weapons I'd say, but the cartridge is new. Maybe this could be new Guardians? Or perhaps an updated heavy gun for warp spiders?
The central oval device reminds me of something Fusion related but the cartridge in the lower part and the fact it looks being one handed make me think it may be something Flamer like.
Also worth to notice there is like a secondary ornament beyond the barrel near the muzzle and only the Missile Launchers have those in the current range aside some Wraith weapons.
My money is on Warp Spiders. I can't really imagine what would have to be in GW design team heads if there were tasked with large Eldar update and didn't redesign the only Aspect without any changes in 25 years. Rest of them had three or two in case of Swooping Hawks. That is like the best opportunity for a designer for personal achievement. The only question now is will there be a Warp Spiders Phoenix Lord or will they remain without one. The other question is - will GWs Warp Spiders be better than existing alternatives, as there are three of those I know of and two of them are great sculpts (I really don't mind non-GW resin and in a lot of cases it is superior in detail quality than GW plastics)
There is the gem or bulge near the front of the barrel that matches the old death spinner's. The two arm grip is also the same.
The middle section of the gun is what has changed but as others have noted, it looks similar to Dark Eldar shredders, so hinting at monofilament weapon.
Basically it is updating of the death spinner weapon from its old 2nd edition appearance to the current edition.
My first thought was something Reaper related, but I then went to Warp Spider since it's clearly pulling design cues from the shredder.
I think I might prefer the old design, but that's too small a pic to really judge just yet.
Unless the picture has been flipped, the gun's in the left hand which doesn't happen often with regular squad members. Makes me think it might be a character.
Everyone seems to have already covered the obvious, so I'm going to throw a wild card into the pot. There's a slim chance that this could actually be a heavy redesign for the Fire Dragon's Fire Pike.
That section in the middle looks like the end to the Fusion Guns/Firepike. The Fire Pike is clearly a large two handed weapon (even though it never used to have a top grip). That cartridge at the bottom looks like the types of cartridges we see on other kinds of Melta style weapons (see Tau Fusion Blasters) could be them trying to bring a small bit of similarity to weapon type designs. People could see "oh its the pop can cartridge, that's a melta weapon" without having to ask their opponent what everything does.
Waiting for the Aeldari version of Cawl to pop out of the Webway with "New" weapons for all the craftworlds that have been in the testing phase since the Humans had their little Mon'keigh civil war. Probably been testing them on the exodite worlds with the rangers teaching the exodites how to become exarchs in a shorter amount of time. The exodites have been breeeding like rabbits so the Eldar are no longer a dying race either.
I was expecting it to be something from the Autarch but if it is it looks more like a heavy weapon than a special weapon. Maybe a heavy fusion weapon as an ancient weapon?
But then again there are strong Warpspider vibes- there looks to be recessed channels on the bulb muzzle which could be a redesigned Warpspinner. Hoping its Spiders.. On another note I'sexpecting some off these to be part fo the preview around New Year? Its a bit of a strong pitch none theme to show nothing [I know, I know..the have done much worse before but the Christmas/New Year preview should be decent].
Funnily, tau players are going "WTF, I thought we were next...but all the hype is for Eldar".
Granted, we know that Tau are just getting Dark Strider and Codex, but still funny to see the hype train just blast through that station!
The reliable rumour (who's been 100% thus far) did say a large Eldar release, but also said "incomplete", so I expect some models to not be redone. IMHO, these will be Dragons and Dark Reapers as far as aspects go.
silverstu wrote: On another note I'sexpecting some off these to be part fo the preview around New Year? Its a bit of a strong pitch none theme to show nothing [I know, I know..the have done much worse before but the Christmas/New Year preview should be decent].
I fully expect GW will squeeze a lot of mileage out of this Eldar release. The last time we had a themed rumour engine like this it was following the Shadowspear unveil and lead to a bunch of new CSM kits.
Orks had enough models to cover two separate studio previews and Eldar are shaping up to have at least as many. I wouldn't be surprised if the xmas/new year reveal was just a peak at the first release (possibly that rumoured Rangers vs Chaos set), with further previews of new stuff and the main codex unveil continuing up to LVO.
Theophony wrote: Waiting for the Aeldari version of Cawl to pop out of the Webway with "New" weapons for all the craftworlds that have been in the testing phase since the Humans had their little Mon'keigh civil war. Probably been testing them on the exodite worlds with the rangers teaching the exodites how to become exarchs in a shorter amount of time. The exodites have been breeeding like rabbits so the Eldar are no longer a dying race either.
There is no need for Eldar Cawl, as the lore is open to any number of obscure Aspects and their respective Phoenix Lords. Crimson Hunters and Shadow Spectres were added throughout the ages and we know about one other by name, Slicing Orbs. It would be great to see yet another one, but after 25 years of waiting I won't be picky if we just get new models for old ones.
silverstu wrote: On another note I'sexpecting some off these to be part fo the preview around New Year? Its a bit of a strong pitch none theme to show nothing [I know, I know..the have done much worse before but the Christmas/New Year preview should be decent].
I fully expect GW will squeeze a lot of mileage out of this Eldar release. The last time we had a themed rumour engine like this it was following the Shadowspear unveil and lead to a bunch of new CSM kits.
Orks had enough models to cover two separate studio previews and Eldar are shaping up to have at least as many. I wouldn't be surprised if the xmas/new year reveal was just a peak at the first release (possibly that rumoured Rangers vs Chaos set), with further previews of new stuff and the main codex unveil continuing up to LVO.
Yeah I could see 3 sets/waves - the Chaos vs Eldar Rangers box, a Corsair killteam set and then a codex release around April.It looks like they are going big with Eldar so I hope it works but its great to see.
nou wrote: My money is on Warp Spiders. I can't really imagine what would have to be in GW design team heads if there were tasked with large Eldar update and didn't redesign the only Aspect without any changes in 25 years. Rest of them had three or two in case of Swooping Hawks.
Point of order - Warp Spiders are not the only Aspect that's on V1. Even ignoring the more recent flyer aspect, the Shining Spears are also on their first iteration, though I recall them being released during 3rd ed rather than late 1st/early 2nd.
I still don't follow the thinking that didn't see them redone when the jetbikes were, though.
Dysartes wrote: Point of order - Warp Spiders are not the only Aspect that's on V1. Even ignoring the more recent flyer aspect, the Shining Spears are also on their first iteration, though I recall them being released during 3rd ed rather than late 1st/early 2nd.
I still don't follow the thinking that didn't see them redone when the jetbikes were, though.
Remember seeing the prototype for the new jetbikes in 2007, and Jes saying we wouldn't get them for a while because they'd need to redo all the other jetbikes to match them. Just 8 short years later we got them....without updated Shining Spears.
dan2026 wrote: Please don't let Dark Reapers be left out.
Please don't let Dark Reapers be left out.
I think they will, unfortunately. At least in this first big wave.
My reasoning...
1. Reliable rumour source stated "incomplete" release.
2. Echoes of Awakening, Ritual of the Damned - Striking Scorpion blurb of attack on Guardsmen. Probably new Scorpions.
3. Echoes of Awakening, For the Greater Good - Ancient relic armour recovered by Warp Spiders. New Spiders and Phoenix Lord?
4. New Rangers and bike exhaust already shown.
And no more mention of Eldar in the series.
So my thoughts are that only Warp Spiders and Scorpions will get new kits from the Aspects (alongside the Banshees). Each will probably have it's Phoenix Lord return too. We may see Dragons, Hawks and Reapers at a later date, just not this wave. GW wants to sell us new Eldar kits, not remakes.
So my thoughts are that only Warp Spiders and Scorpions will get new kits from the Aspects (alongside the Banshees). Each will probably have it's Phoenix Lord return too. We may see Dragons, Hawks and Reapers at a later date, just not this wave. GW wants to sell us new Eldar kits, not remakes.
What I really hope is that we get some redone kits and a few new kits, and that the sales numbers of the old kits are favorable. So GW can look at actual comparable numbers and see that they don’t need to just crank new stuff, but upgrading old stuff still makes good money.
dan2026 wrote: Please don't let Dark Reapers be left out.
Please don't let Dark Reapers be left out.
I think they will, unfortunately. At least in this first big wave.
My reasoning...
1. Reliable rumour source stated "incomplete" release.
2. Echoes of Awakening, Ritual of the Damned - Striking Scorpion blurb of attack on Guardsmen. Probably new Scorpions.
3. Echoes of Awakening, For the Greater Good - Ancient relic armour recovered by Warp Spiders. New Spiders and Phoenix Lord?
4. New Rangers and bike exhaust already shown.
And no more mention of Eldar in the series.
So my thoughts are that only Warp Spiders and Scorpions will get new kits from the Aspects (alongside the Banshees). Each will probably have it's Phoenix Lord return too. We may see Dragons, Hawks and Reapers at a later date, just not this wave. GW wants to sell us new Eldar kits, not remakes.
I'd be down with Spiders and Scorpions, always my favorite two shrines followed by banshees.
It would be fun with the Chaos vs. Eldar that has been teased to finally see Arhra the Fallen Phoenix Lord of the Scorpions.
dan2026 wrote: Please don't let Dark Reapers be left out.
Please don't let Dark Reapers be left out.
I also think they'll be left out. As far as the aspects go, they're relatively recent (4th edition!) and fairly static so you don't have the annoyance of trying to do graceful, leaping models in finecast/metal. Same goes for the Fire Dragons, which is a shame because they've always been my favourite shrine and I'd buy a new Fire Dragon kit in a heartbeat despite having 30 in metal.
The Warp Spiders are 2nd edition (!) and while they've held up better than most 2nd edition models (as do most of the 2nd edition eldar to be fair) the sculpts are clearly showing their age. The Swooping Hawks are 3rd edition and they're a real pain in metal/finecast with the spindly parts and small connection points. Not that I'm looking forward to new models using those curved flight stands, mind. The Shining Spears irritate me because they're still riding the 2nd edition jetbikes when we've had the updated jetbikes for windriders for years.Striking Scorpions aren't too bad being 4th edition, but they're more on the dynamic side than Reapers/Dragons, so would probably benefit more from an update.
So my 'order of urgency' for aspects would probably have the Spiders/Hawks/Spears first, then the Scorpions, and finally the Dragons/Reapers bringing up the rear.
As to this rumour engine, I'm with the folks saying it's a deathspinner.
dan2026 wrote: Please don't let Dark Reapers be left out.
Please don't let Dark Reapers be left out.
I think they will, unfortunately. At least in this first big wave.
My reasoning...
1. Reliable rumour source stated "incomplete" release.
2. Echoes of Awakening, Ritual of the Damned - Striking Scorpion blurb of attack on Guardsmen. Probably new Scorpions.
3. Echoes of Awakening, For the Greater Good - Ancient relic armour recovered by Warp Spiders. New Spiders and Phoenix Lord?
4. New Rangers and bike exhaust already shown.
And no more mention of Eldar in the series.
So my thoughts are that only Warp Spiders and Scorpions will get new kits from the Aspects (alongside the Banshees). Each will probably have it's Phoenix Lord return too. We may see Dragons, Hawks and Reapers at a later date, just not this wave. GW wants to sell us new Eldar kits, not remakes.
I'd be down with Spiders and Scorpions, always my favorite two shrines followed by banshees.
It would be fun with the Chaos vs. Eldar that has been teased to finally see Arhra the Fallen Phoenix Lord of the Scorpions.
dan2026 wrote: Please don't let Dark Reapers be left out.
Please don't let Dark Reapers be left out.
I think they will, unfortunately. At least in this first big wave.
My reasoning...
1. Reliable rumour source stated "incomplete" release.
2. Echoes of Awakening, Ritual of the Damned - Striking Scorpion blurb of attack on Guardsmen. Probably new Scorpions.
3. Echoes of Awakening, For the Greater Good - Ancient relic armour recovered by Warp Spiders. New Spiders and Phoenix Lord?
4. New Rangers and bike exhaust already shown.
And no more mention of Eldar in the series.
So my thoughts are that only Warp Spiders and Scorpions will get new kits from the Aspects (alongside the Banshees). Each will probably have it's Phoenix Lord return too. We may see Dragons, Hawks and Reapers at a later date, just not this wave. GW wants to sell us new Eldar kits, not remakes.
I'd be down with Spiders and Scorpions, always my favorite two shrines followed by banshees.
It would be fun with the Chaos vs. Eldar that has been teased to finally see Arhra the Fallen Phoenix Lord of the Scorpions.
Theophony wrote: Waiting for the Aeldari version of Cawl to pop out of the Webway with "New" weapons for all the craftworlds that have been in the testing phase since the Humans had their little Mon'keigh civil war. Probably been testing them on the exodite worlds with the rangers teaching the exodites how to become exarchs in a shorter amount of time. The exodites have been breeeding like rabbits so the Eldar are no longer a dying race either.
dan2026 wrote: Please don't let Dark Reapers be left out.
Please don't let Dark Reapers be left out.
I think they will, unfortunately. At least in this first big wave.
My reasoning...
1. Reliable rumour source stated "incomplete" release.
2. Echoes of Awakening, Ritual of the Damned - Striking Scorpion blurb of attack on Guardsmen. Probably new Scorpions.
3. Echoes of Awakening, For the Greater Good - Ancient relic armour recovered by Warp Spiders. New Spiders and Phoenix Lord?
4. New Rangers and bike exhaust already shown.
And no more mention of Eldar in the series.
So my thoughts are that only Warp Spiders and Scorpions will get new kits from the Aspects (alongside the Banshees). Each will probably have it's Phoenix Lord return too. We may see Dragons, Hawks and Reapers at a later date, just not this wave. GW wants to sell us new Eldar kits, not remakes.
I'd be down with Spiders and Scorpions, always my favorite two shrines followed by banshees.
It would be fun with the Chaos vs. Eldar that has been teased to finally see Arhra the Fallen Phoenix Lord of the Scorpions.
Loving the Eldar teases though, looking great! May even have to reinvigorate my very old Eldar army!
Did they finally say he is Arhra? Because I thought Arhra was actually fallen to chaos, not just a dark Eldar.
Drazhar’s origin is officially unknown still (even his name is a pseudonym conferred by others), but it is confirmed that Arhra founded the Incubi and let’s be honest when an Incubi Phoenix Lord rocks up out of nowhere, odds are it’s the same Phoenix Lord that founded the Incubi…
Arhra ‘burned with the dark light of Chaos’ but what that actually means is somewhat unclear, nor is what happened to him between his defeat by Karandhras and Drazhar appearing out of nowhere.
The border around the image is definitely starting to look mankier. So looks like chaos is also on the horizon.
I wonder if they're going to switch to Chaos rumour pics halfway through the month, and the whole advent engine is all pics of things in the rumoured boxed set:
Eldar side gets the new Rangers, Ranger jetbikes, and the new Autarch with Fusion Gun.
Yep, definitely an Autarch. Which coincides with the rumour like everyone else is saying. Somewhat surprised personally given that there's a plastic Autarch already but I guess they want one on foot so he can go into transports without taking up extra space.
Multiple plastic autarchs should be a thing to cover alternate load outs like sm captains. Better would be a kit that includes multiple options, but hey.
MajorWesJanson wrote: Multiple plastic autarchs should be a thing to cover alternate load outs like sm captains. Better would be a kit that includes multiple options, but hey.
I think GW forgot how to design models with multiple options.
More like Death Spinner, but indeed, today's rumour may actually not be good for us at all. In the worst case scenario all those rumours may amount to just three kits - Ranger Bikes, Rangers and Autarch, plus a codex. If what some folks are reading from the frame change is true - that it will switch to chaos soon, then it could be just another token release like Blood of the Phoenix was.
Actually, yesterdays blurb about sinking teeth into sounds more like scorpion than spider (autarch weapon names). Maybe a scorpion autarch/karandras getting new weapon?
I understand the shift to chaos being discussed (also more than happy with that) but that would just leave it 40k centric, so I can't help but wonder if it'll shift to shadow elves maybe?
bullyboy wrote: Actually, yesterdays blurb about sinking teeth into sounds more like scorpion than spider (autarch weapon names). Maybe a scorpion autarch/karandras getting new weapon?
Except scorpions have a tail that sinks into things. Spiders have fangs in their mouth, a much closer analogue to teeth.
bullyboy wrote: Actually, yesterdays blurb about sinking teeth into sounds more like scorpion than spider (autarch weapon names). Maybe a scorpion autarch/karandras getting new weapon?
Except scorpions have a tail that sinks into things. Spiders have fangs in their mouth, a much closer analogue to teeth.
Scorpions have mandiblasters and a weapon called the scorpians bite chainsword. They also happen to fight melee. That said it could go either way.
bullyboy wrote: Actually, yesterdays blurb about sinking teeth into sounds more like scorpion than spider (autarch weapon names). Maybe a scorpion autarch/karandras getting new weapon?
Except scorpions have a tail that sinks into things. Spiders have fangs in their mouth, a much closer analogue to teeth.
Scorpions have mandiblasters and a weapon called the scorpians bite chainsword. They also happen to fight melee. That said it could go either way.
The unit does, but the creature they're named after doesn't.
Also it clearly wasn't a melee weapon or a pistol.
bullyboy wrote: Actually, yesterdays blurb about sinking teeth into sounds more like scorpion than spider (autarch weapon names). Maybe a scorpion autarch/karandras getting new weapon?
Except scorpions have a tail that sinks into things. Spiders have fangs in their mouth, a much closer analogue to teeth.
Scorpion exarch weapon is called Biting Blade and Karandras ability is Scorpion's bite .
Sooooo
A web spinner also isn't biting either..
Not saying it is, but might see a new weapon for scorp Exarch.
bullyboy wrote: Actually, yesterdays blurb about sinking teeth into sounds more like scorpion than spider (autarch weapon names). Maybe a scorpion autarch/karandras getting new weapon?
Except scorpions have a tail that sinks into things. Spiders have fangs in their mouth, a much closer analogue to teeth.
Scorpions have mandiblasters and a weapon called the scorpians bite chainsword. They also happen to fight melee. That said it could go either way.
The unit does, but the creature they're named after doesn't.
Also it clearly wasn't a melee weapon or a pistol.
Scorpions stings are often referred to as bites FYI.
I would assume most Eldar have teeth, what else should we expect from the extravagant filth? Good Imperial citizens don't need teeth to eat their nutrient paste.
Theophony wrote: Zebras have stripes, so that backpack with a hose and camo is the new Aeldari shrine to the Aeldari Pretty Zebra "Friendship is Psychic" centaurs.
bullyboy wrote: Actually, yesterdays blurb about sinking teeth into sounds more like scorpion than spider (autarch weapon names). Maybe a scorpion autarch/karandras getting new weapon?
Except scorpions have a tail that sinks into things. Spiders have fangs in their mouth, a much closer analogue to teeth.
Scorpions have mandiblasters and a weapon called the scorpians bite chainsword. They also happen to fight melee. That said it could go either way.
The unit does, but the creature they're named after doesn't.
Also it clearly wasn't a melee weapon or a pistol.
Scorpions stings are often referred to as bites FYI.
Alternatively, the text could mean absolutely nothing with regards to the model, like usual.
bullyboy wrote: Actually, yesterdays blurb about sinking teeth into sounds more like scorpion than spider (autarch weapon names). Maybe a scorpion autarch/karandras getting new weapon?
Except scorpions have a tail that sinks into things. Spiders have fangs in their mouth, a much closer analogue to teeth.
Scorpions have mandiblasters and a weapon called the scorpians bite chainsword. They also happen to fight melee. That said it could go either way.
The unit does, but the creature they're named after doesn't.
Also it clearly wasn't a melee weapon or a pistol.
Scorpions stings are often referred to as bites FYI.
Alternatively, the text could mean absolutely nothing with regards to the model, like usual.
My thoughts exactly. If it did mean something I'd go with the Scorpions but my gut feeling is people are looking for something that isn't there.
Text indicates more of a Ynnari bend, IMO. Feels very tongue-in-cheek reference to the whole Ynnari playstyle early on, where Dark Reapers were a problem unit.
Kanluwen wrote: Text indicates more of a Ynnari bend, IMO. Feels very tongue-in-cheek reference to the whole Ynnari playstyle early on, where Dark Reapers were a problem unit.
You may be right. And reapers are besides banshees thematically the most fitting aspect for Ynnari.
Yeah, this makes things interesting. Nowhere has it been hinted of new Reapers but this is clearly a reaper weapon. Sure, could be an autarch weapon, or one of the bikers, or whatever, but damn that would be cruel. New Reapers would be a really nice addition.
Well, thing to remember here is that rumour engine may be ahead of release schedule as long as what, 1,5 years and counting? It is then not unlikely that this is indeed an "Aeldvent Calendar", full 24 days, but only parts of it will be released in the first, rumoured wave.
nou wrote: Well, thing to remember here is that rumour engine may be ahead of release schedule as long as what, 1,5 years and counting? It is then not unlikely that this is indeed an "Aeldvent Calendar", full 24 days, but only parts of it will be released in the first, rumoured wave.
It'll be a pretty massive release in terms of expectations however, so I'd assume they'd want to go with a huge initial release then fill in the gaps later on.
nou wrote: Well, thing to remember here is that rumour engine may be ahead of release schedule as long as what, 1,5 years and counting? It is then not unlikely that this is indeed an "Aeldvent Calendar", full 24 days, but only parts of it will be released in the first, rumoured wave.
The intention these days is no more than 8 months.
There are a few outliers still floating around sadly (two from the Advent Engine last year for example), but I would expect the Aeldari stuff to be part of a singular wave.
nou wrote: Well, thing to remember here is that rumour engine may be ahead of release schedule as long as what, 1,5 years and counting? It is then not unlikely that this is indeed an "Aeldvent Calendar", full 24 days, but only parts of it will be released in the first, rumoured wave.
It'll be a pretty massive release in terms of expectations however, so I'd assume they'd want to go with a huge initial release then fill in the gaps later on.
I can live with Necron style waves Although I still feel the burns after Triumvirate and Blood of the Phoenix, so I expect the worst case scenarios, this way I can only be pleasantly surprised.
nou wrote: Well, thing to remember here is that rumour engine may be ahead of release schedule as long as what, 1,5 years and counting? It is then not unlikely that this is indeed an "Aeldvent Calendar", full 24 days, but only parts of it will be released in the first, rumoured wave.
The intention these days is no more than 8 months.
There are a few outliers still floating around sadly (two from the Advent Engine last year for example), but I would expect the Aeldari stuff to be part of a singular wave.
As far as old rumours, we have one with the disc and a hand for quite some time now. And the supposed Bloody Hand for a bit less.
Here's a thought: It might be a Reaper Launcher but is part of the rumored Kill Team Ranger's upgrade sprue. All the Kill team sprues so far have allowed for un-40Kish upgrades to units. Some of those has been incorporated into the 40K unit and some not so much.
Did someone say Reaper Launcher? Advent Rumour Engine Day 9 is up.
Kanluwen wrote: Text indicates more of a Ynnari bend, IMO. Feels very tongue-in-cheek reference to the whole Ynnari playstyle early on, where Dark Reapers were a problem unit.
I don't know, I'd say it sounds a lot more "Chaos-y" what with the mention of sacrificing apostles. And someone else pointed this out as well but the clean Craftworld-like border on the pictures is getting darker and more tainted looking with each post.
Edit: By which I mean to say, the rumors coming from Reddit could both be baloney but they have have gotten a lucky guess about a Chaos vs Eldar box, especially since we know that new Chaos is coming. Also given that Chaos was one of the only things the actual leaker knew about it stands to reason that the release isn't too far out comparatively.
Only question is if it is part of an Autarch kit or genuine Dark Reapers. The text indicates Dark Reapers.
As an side note: if it is a Dark Reaper kit it debunks both the Reddit "leak" with the vyper diorama and the stupid Discord advent calendar.
Just to play devil's advocate, both rumors mentioned Corsairs being added to the codex and the old FW Corsairs used to be able to take an Eldar Missile Launcher as a squad heavy weapon choice, which looks similar. But the picture in the Rumor Engine does seem to look more like the longer Reaper Launcher carried by Dark Reapers
The angle of the presumed reaperlaucher is weird. The weapon should be quite long, and at that angle the one carrying would probably have it slung across the back I think.
Itcould be the model is standing on tactical ruins or riding a jetbike, yet the pose would still be somewhat awkvard pointing the gun down.
Looking at the old (current) reapers, they would be hard pressed to get the gun in that downward angle.
Just a thought.
Ok, I just checked. Under Forgeworld rules some Corsair units could equip Shredders. So if the previous weapon rumour is not a new design of a Death Spinner but a non-dark design of a Shredder, then Corsairs for Kill-team could be a thing.
Fayric wrote: The angle of the presumed reaperlaucher is weird. The weapon should be quite long, and at that angle the one carrying would probably have it slung across the back I think.
Itcould be the model is standing on tactical ruins or riding a jetbike, yet the pose would still be somewhat awkvard pointing the gun down.
Looking at the old (current) reapers, they would be hard pressed to get the gun in that downward angle.
Just a thought.
Fayric wrote: The angle of the presumed reaperlaucher is weird. The weapon should be quite long, and at that angle the one carrying would probably have it slung across the back I think.
Itcould be the model is standing on tactical ruins or riding a jetbike, yet the pose would still be somewhat awkvard pointing the gun down.
Looking at the old (current) reapers, they would be hard pressed to get the gun in that downward angle.
Just a thought.
Could simply be a jaunty angle of photography.
They still do that? I thought the engine pics have been pretty straight forward for years now.
Kanluwen wrote: Text indicates more of a Ynnari bend, IMO. Feels very tongue-in-cheek reference to the whole Ynnari playstyle early on, where Dark Reapers were a problem unit.
I don't know, I'd say it sounds a lot more "Chaos-y" what with the mention of sacrificing apostles. And someone else pointed this out as well but the clean Craftworld-like border on the pictures is getting darker and more tainted looking with each post.
There's a reason why I phrased my statement the way I did. GW's vision of Ynnari was of a subfaction of Aeldari that were empowered by the deaths of their fellows and enemies...
Player vision was "sacrificial units to power up a superunit".
Edit: By which I mean to say, the rumors coming from Reddit could both be baloney but they have have gotten a lucky guess about a Chaos vs Eldar box, especially since we know that new Chaos is coming. Also given that Chaos was one of the only things the actual leaker knew about it stands to reason that the release isn't too far out comparatively.
Which is one of the reasons why I'm a bit less inclined to trust the Reddit rumors. There might be something there, but it definitely feels like a coattails moment.
Just to play devil's advocate, both rumors mentioned Corsairs being added to the codex and the old FW Corsairs used to be able to take an Eldar Missile Launcher as a squad heavy weapon choice, which looks similar. But the picture in the Rumor Engine does seem to look more like the longer Reaper Launcher carried by Dark Reapers
Spoiler:
Both rumors have mentioned Corsairs...but the initial big rumor drop didn't. Though it is fairly lackluster for details on Aeldari, since there was another post which I've not seen resurfaced with those details separately.
The weapon in the Advent Engine image is missing the small indents that are near the tip of a reaper launcher, whereas the missile launcher doesn't have those indents, so it certainly seems like it could be a hand-held missile launcher.
To have a new Dark Reaper kit is going to be awesome. Been trying to replace the ones I had to part with almost two decades ago and held off on the resin kit.
I'm not convinced it's a reaper launcher, or at least for dark reapers specifically.
corsairs could carry heavy weapons, so it could be a portable missile launcher.
But it doesn't have all the features of the reaper launcher. Reaper launchers have the two rows of ports on the head for the two different types of rounds, while this one only has the single round.
My guess is either the corsair box is a killteam and has a big range of options including portable missile launcher, or it's an autarch weapon.
I think you may be right. It does look just like the end of the Eldar Missile Launcher. That would make a lot more sense as a weapon for Rangers or Corsairs.
Knight wrote: Saimm Hann? The Cosmic Serpent? Gods, that'd be interesting.
Looks like the advance of the Eldar lore. Hopefully no Deathwatch captain will feth up yet another iconic part of the Eldar mythology this time around.
The skull plus the text from the rumour engine makes me think we're swapping to Chaos model previews
Every day, it gets darker – what can you expect from the Advent Engine today?
Can you hear chanting? Is that just in our heads? What does the Advent Engine have to do with it? Let’s gaze into the face of the future and see if we can divine an answer.
The chanting seems to have quieted for now. Quick, to the Warhammer 40,000 and Warhammer Age of Sigmar Facebook pages to discuss the revelation before it begins again.
There's definitely a Saimm Hann rune on the skull, plus a serpent. I'm not sure how that relates to a soul price though. The text made me think Avatar, although anything phoenix lord or exarch related involves a soul price too.
This is the first one that lends the deleted Reddit rumour some credence. It had Nuadhu Fireheart/ axe-wielding wild rider bits in it that were not part of any other leaks.
Interesting if it is Saimm Hann, my original Eldar army was basically that craftworld with reversed colours. I wanted to do Iyanden at the time but much too scared of painting the yellow.
Steep is the soul price is surely a reference to the Ynnari though. In order to birth the new god most of the Eldar must die..
Nuadhu Fireheart would be an interesting addition, on a new Vyper.
I noticed that the vertical curved "claw" with spike off back is present in center of image again like in the last advent engine script image.
also, I kinda see the skull, but that is one primitive looking skull
While I'm excited as any other for this release, the summary of the last 10 days isn't really all that good. It looks that we have at least two days for any one kit and one day in five for intermission script. Averaging this to 2.5 rumours per kit and 5 intermission days total, this gives us no more than 8 kits in the entire Advent Engine. If it is not entirely Eldar, but mixed Eldar&Chaos calendar, we might have seen almost everything there is for us by now.
nou wrote: While I'm excited as any other for this release, the summary of the last 10 days isn't really all that good. It looks that we have at least two days for any one kit and one day in five for intermission script. Averaging this to 2.5 rumours per kit and 5 intermission days total, this gives us no more than 8 kits in the entire Advent Engine. If it is not entirely Eldar, but mixed Eldar&Chaos calendar, we might have seen almost everything there is for us by now.
I mentioned it earlier as well but I doubt they'll use the festive event purely for 40k on top of that.
nou wrote: While I'm excited as any other for this release, the summary of the last 10 days isn't really all that good. It looks that we have at least two days for any one kit and one day in five for intermission script. Averaging this to 2.5 rumours per kit and 5 intermission days total, this gives us no more than 8 kits in the entire Advent Engine. If it is not entirely Eldar, but mixed Eldar&Chaos calendar, we might have seen almost everything there is for us by now.
It may still be just an eldar only themed rumor engine. When shadowspear dropped, they only teased chaos models for the month, IIRC. And in total that got us:
Master of possession
Greater Possessed
Venomcrawler
Obliterators
Chaos space marines.
Which is still not a great sign, since it was only a handful of models revealed (the rest of the wave came later) but as long as we don't just get eldar rangers (which by now we know isn't happening) I'll take it
The Black Adder wrote: There's definitely a Saimm Hann rune on the skull, plus a serpent. I'm not sure how that relates to a soul price though. The text made me think Avatar, although anything phoenix lord or exarch related involves a soul price too.
It may still be just an eldar only themed rumor engine. When shadowspear dropped, they only teased chaos models for the month, IIRC. And in total that got us:
Master of possession
Greater Possessed
Venomcrawler
Obliterators
Chaos space marines.
The "daemon rumour engine" in 2019 ran for two weeks rather than a month IIRC. Terminators, Havocs, and that terrain piece were also shown in addition to that list above (plus Abaddon had already been previewed earlier).
If they stick with Eldar models in this rumour engine until Xmas that implies more models are coming than the 8 units above.
One thing I hadn't thought of until now is that presumably the two days of images with text make up one quote which is:
"Only in defeat will you know victory ... steep the soul price for slender hope".
Now I'm not mega up to date about new lore but that is definitely Ynnari stuff right? That the whole idea is that the god will only birth with all the souls of the Eldar in the soulstones. Then it has enough power to defeat Slaanesh.
Maybe that is not necessarily model related, that could just be talking about bringing forward the Eldar lore to the current timeline I guess.
The "daemon rumour engine" in 2019 ran for two weeks rather than a month IIRC. Terminators, Havocs, and that terrain piece were also shown in addition to that list above (plus Abaddon had already been previewed earlier).
If they stick with Eldar models in this rumour engine until Xmas that implies more models are coming than the 8 units above.
Not necessarily. Last year's advent engine showed multiple photos of the same units. Out of those 25 images, only two remain unsolved...and they were something Inquisition-tied, making me wonder if the Octarius books had a tie-in model that got delayed for some reason.
Olthannon wrote: One thing I hadn't thought of until now is that presumably the two days of images with text make up one quote which is:
"Only in defeat will you know victory ... steep the soul price for slender hope".
Now I'm not mega up to date about new lore but that is definitely Ynnari stuff right? That the whole idea is that the god will only birth with all the souls of the Eldar in the soulstones. Then it has enough power to defeat Slaanesh.
Maybe that is not necessarily model related, that could just be talking about bringing forward the Eldar lore to the current timeline I guess.
A decent bit of informed speculation.
If we turn to AoS, they’ve been slowly building to Slaanesh escaping it’s prison, so I’m wondering if both AoS and 40K will have Summer Of Lust, where Elfy events kind of change up Slaanesh a wee bit?
Oh boy, we are indeed switching to chaos. That claw could be from a daemon engine. And the advent engine has turned full chaos, ouch.
So how many Eldar kits did we actually see? Not that many in reality.
bullyboy wrote: Oh boy, we are indeed switching to chaos. That claw could be from a daemon engine. And the advent engine has turned full chaos, ouch.
So how many Eldar kits did we actually see? Not that many in reality.
It's looking like the advent engine contents will match the 5 new units in that rumoured Eldar vs Chaos boxed set. Then likely there will be additional waves of releases for both later in the year.
Nevelon wrote: With the banner growing teeth, I think we are firmly in the chaos side.
Still, good lot of Eldar stuff to look forward to.
No! Showing a Craftworld piece in a rumor is basicly a gentlemens agreemet that they (GW) commit to release a full reworking of the aspects, scouts and guardians, compleat with phoenix lords and aditional named and unnamed characters. Furthermore they (GW) agree to release plastic corsairs with official in-codex rules. And the way I interpret the deal, they probably need to throw in some exodites as well.
Just as I feared, a token release for Eldar. I suppose there is no Illic there, no Warp Spiders or Reapers, no Avatar, only Rangers, Ranger bikes and an Autarch with options. Or even no Ranger bikes, only Autarch on a bike.
There is still a slim chance, that Advent Calendar is just for the soon-to-be-released two faction box like Blood of the Phoenix and a larger waves of updates is due when the codex is released, but even then I fear we're heading towards not a major release, but a major disappointment. There was no follow up after BotP.
Marshal Loss wrote: Now we're talking. Haven't used Chosen since 3.5 but hoping that the box is a treasure trove of bitz.
There hasn't exactly been any GW box in a while that was a box of bitz.
The only things that come to mind are the recent kill teams, since the sisters and DKK had so many options. But even that's not on par with the kits of yesteryear. GW sure loves monopose these days. Guess its easier to make
A multipart Chosen kit is inevitably going to be an awesome resource for ornate heads/weapons/pauldrons/etc to use on other CSM models, even if there aren't a lot of spare parts in the box itself. That is what I'm excited for. E.G. the recent Sword Brethren box, as asinine as the weapon limitations are, comes with enough power swords/chainswords/helmets/shields to make it a worthwhile purchase. The Chosen datasheet may well end up being a dumpsterfire but I see no reason not to be excited for the options the box provides.
If the Chosen kit has the same cross-compatibilty with the CSM, Raptors/Warp Talons, and Havocs kits as they have with each other, then I'm hoping they keep their options based on the "if you can get it from another kit, you can have it" approach they took with SoB. If the Chosen kit has a set of combi-weapons with enough bits for every version, then we'll have every current option available between those four kits.
Marshal Loss wrote: The Chosen datasheet may well end up being a dumpsterfire but I see no reason not to be excited for the options the box provides.
FWIW the new GSC Neophyte datasheet is not restricted to the number of bits that come with the kit. You can take two of each extra weapon option despite only getting one of each in the box.
Perhaps that design philosophy is changing for new codexes?
Marshal Loss wrote: The Chosen datasheet may well end up being a dumpsterfire but I see no reason not to be excited for the options the box provides.
FWIW the new GSC Neophyte datasheet is not restricted to the number of bits that come with the kit. You can take two of each extra weapon option despite only getting one of each in the box.
Perhaps that design philosophy is changing for new codexes?
If so, it changed with the GSC+Custodes.
AdMech had their Skitarii Rangers+Vanguard changed to be 1:10 models for one of each special weapon, no ability to duplicate and 1:10 for Omnispex and Data-Tethers.
Ork Kommandos have a similar thing going on IIRC.
Marshal Loss wrote: The Chosen datasheet may well end up being a dumpsterfire but I see no reason not to be excited for the options the box provides.
FWIW the new GSC Neophyte datasheet is not restricted to the number of bits that come with the kit. You can take two of each extra weapon option despite only getting one of each in the box.
Perhaps that design philosophy is changing for new codexes?
If so, it changed with the GSC+Custodes.
AdMech had their Skitarii Rangers+Vanguard changed to be 1:10 models for one of each special weapon, no ability to duplicate and 1:10 for Omnispex and Data-Tethers.
Ork Kommandos have a similar thing going on IIRC.
Well it didn't apply to loyalists. And if it applies to CSM, then basic CSM squads would lose: lascannons, autocannons, chaincannons, and power swords, lightning claws, and combi-weapons for the Aspiring Champion. Never mind what it would do to Chosen and Havocs. That would be crazy.
GaroRobe wrote:I'm more interested in multipart possessed. It would be great if they had arms, heads, etc that could be swapped with havocs, csm, raptors, etc.
Though I can easily see GW making them have bodies that already have arms and legs, in order to make them more dynamic :(
A multi-part Possessed kit would be great for anyone wanting to add some mutated/daemonic bits to our other infantry. I hope it happens.
Marshal Loss wrote: The Chosen datasheet may well end up being a dumpsterfire but I see no reason not to be excited for the options the box provides.
FWIW the new GSC Neophyte datasheet is not restricted to the number of bits that come with the kit. You can take two of each extra weapon option despite only getting one of each in the box.
Perhaps that design philosophy is changing for new codexes?
If so, it changed with the GSC+Custodes.
AdMech had their Skitarii Rangers+Vanguard changed to be 1:10 models for one of each special weapon, no ability to duplicate and 1:10 for Omnispex and Data-Tethers.
Ork Kommandos have a similar thing going on IIRC.
It didn't change, the writers have just been applying it randomly as to which armies get the restrictions and which don't.
Marshal Loss wrote: The Chosen datasheet may well end up being a dumpsterfire but I see no reason not to be excited for the options the box provides.
FWIW the new GSC Neophyte datasheet is not restricted to the number of bits that come with the kit. You can take two of each extra weapon option despite only getting one of each in the box.
Perhaps that design philosophy is changing for new codexes?
If so, it changed with the GSC+Custodes.
AdMech had their Skitarii Rangers+Vanguard changed to be 1:10 models for one of each special weapon, no ability to duplicate and 1:10 for Omnispex and Data-Tethers.
Ork Kommandos have a similar thing going on IIRC.
It didn't change, the writers have just been applying it randomly as to which armies get the restrictions and which don't.
Wyches are limited to the mix of qych weapons in the box. Kabalites and scourges are not.
Tiberius501 wrote: Why is today’s advent engine not here yet? My patience is that of an alpaca dealing with a noisy kid he wishes not to have to deal with.
Sundays seems to go up with the "what's new next week" vid.
Marshal Loss wrote: The Chosen datasheet may well end up being a dumpsterfire but I see no reason not to be excited for the options the box provides.
FWIW the new GSC Neophyte datasheet is not restricted to the number of bits that come with the kit. You can take two of each extra weapon option despite only getting one of each in the box.
Perhaps that design philosophy is changing for new codexes?
If so, it changed with the GSC+Custodes.
AdMech had their Skitarii Rangers+Vanguard changed to be 1:10 models for one of each special weapon, no ability to duplicate and 1:10 for Omnispex and Data-Tethers.
Ork Kommandos have a similar thing going on IIRC.
It didn't change, the writers have just been applying it randomly as to which armies get the restrictions and which don't.
Neither is better in this case, to use havocs as an example, presented with:
"Why is only 1 chaincannon in the box when I can use 4, money grubbing losers"
or
"Why can I only use 1 chaincannon in a unit, I want to use 4 despite only having 1, stupid writers"
Tiberius501 wrote: Why is today’s advent engine not here yet? My patience is that of an alpaca dealing with a noisy kid he wishes not to have to deal with.
Sundays seems to go up with the "what's new next week" vid.
Marshal Loss wrote: The Chosen datasheet may well end up being a dumpsterfire but I see no reason not to be excited for the options the box provides.
FWIW the new GSC Neophyte datasheet is not restricted to the number of bits that come with the kit. You can take two of each extra weapon option despite only getting one of each in the box.
Perhaps that design philosophy is changing for new codexes?
If so, it changed with the GSC+Custodes.
AdMech had their Skitarii Rangers+Vanguard changed to be 1:10 models for one of each special weapon, no ability to duplicate and 1:10 for Omnispex and Data-Tethers.
Ork Kommandos have a similar thing going on IIRC.
It didn't change, the writers have just been applying it randomly as to which armies get the restrictions and which don't.
Neither is better in this case, to use havocs as an example, presented with:
"Why is only 1 chaincannon in the box when I can use 4, money grubbing losers"
or
"Why can I only use 1 chaincannon in a unit, I want to use 4 despite only having 1, stupid writers"
nou wrote: Just as I feared, a token release for Eldar. I suppose there is no Illic there, no Warp Spiders or Reapers, no Avatar, only Rangers, Ranger bikes and an Autarch with options. Or even no Ranger bikes, only Autarch on a bike.
*Looks at the DE release, which consisted of a pointless Lelith remake Now with fatter thighs! and nothing else.*
I’d rather have more open rules where you can build things not in the box.
These new dataslates with the convoluted restrictions so it only allows exactly what’s in the box are crazy. Especially when there is no in-game lore to support it.
For units with a ton of options (devastators, havocs) I think 4-of-everything is a bit much to ask. But just one of something is a bit rough. 2 strikes me as a decent compromise.
Nevelon wrote: I’d rather have more open rules where you can build things not in the box.
These new dataslates with the convoluted restrictions so it only allows exactly what’s in the box are crazy. Especially when there is no in-game lore to support it.
For units with a ton of options (devastators, havocs) I think 4-of-everything is a bit much to ask. But just one of something is a bit rough. 2 strikes me as a decent compromise.
To be fair, we should expect to be able to outfit our minis however we are allowed to. When I bought my box of Raptors or Havocs. I also brought the unit's dataslate. They can put every option in one box. Is it more expensive for them ? Yes. Does it make it a better product ? Yes. Do they have to do it ? Of course not. But they really should. And we should push for it as much as we can. It's in our interest as customers.
Nevelon wrote: I’d rather have more open rules where you can build things not in the box.
These new dataslates with the convoluted restrictions so it only allows exactly what’s in the box are crazy. Especially when there is no in-game lore to support it.
For units with a ton of options (devastators, havocs) I think 4-of-everything is a bit much to ask. But just one of something is a bit rough. 2 strikes me as a decent compromise.
To be fair, we should expect to be able to outfit our minis however we are allowed to. When I bought my box of Raptors or Havocs. I also brought the unit's dataslate. They can put every option in one box. Is it more expensive for them ? Yes. Does it make it a better product ? Yes. Do they have to do it ? Of course not. But they really should. And we should push for it as much as we can. It's in our interest as customers.
Of course, or they can truncate the units options to the max of 2 of each gun. People only feel contrary because of historical precedent and wanting efficiency above anything else.
Nevelon wrote: I’d rather have more open rules where you can build things not in the box.
These new dataslates with the convoluted restrictions so it only allows exactly what’s in the box are crazy. Especially when there is no in-game lore to support it.
For units with a ton of options (devastators, havocs) I think 4-of-everything is a bit much to ask. But just one of something is a bit rough. 2 strikes me as a decent compromise.
To be fair, we should expect to be able to outfit our minis however we are allowed to. When I bought my box of Raptors or Havocs. I also brought the unit's dataslate. They can put every option in one box. Is it more expensive for them ? Yes. Does it make it a better product ? Yes. Do they have to do it ? Of course not. But they really should. And we should push for it as much as we can. It's in our interest as customers.
I’m worried that they will give us what we want (all the options) but because there is now an extra frame in the box jack the price up 50%. I’d rather compromise on affordably.
YMMV. We all have different priorities.
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Dudeface wrote: Of course, or they can truncate the units options to the max of 2 of each gun. People only feel contrary because of historical precedent and wanting efficiency above anything else.
I always liked my Devs as pairs of similar weapons. Like 2xLC, 2xML. Give up a little efficiency for flexibility. But I’d join the riot if they took away the 4x option.
If you can have 4 of a given weapon? Put them in the bloody box.
We all know that either means more sprues and more expensive box accordingly, or they simply cut the number of weapon options, so your havocs now have 4 chaincannons or 4 lascannons. Ideally a full spread is nice but I was asking which of the 2 scenarios causes the least kickback, whereas you gave the reason for the kickback in the first palce.
You're poor GW book writer Dave McFace, you get given the sprues for new box A and know it has 1 of each special weapon on, you cant make the choice to increase them, you can't remake the box, so you're left with force stupid rules scenario or piss people off with missing options. Poor Dave has a job to do and "make another sprue" isn't it sadly.
Nevelon wrote: I’d rather have more open rules where you can build things not in the box.
These new dataslates with the convoluted restrictions so it only allows exactly what’s in the box are crazy. Especially when there is no in-game lore to support it.
For units with a ton of options (devastators, havocs) I think 4-of-everything is a bit much to ask. But just one of something is a bit rough. 2 strikes me as a decent compromise.
To be fair, we should expect to be able to outfit our minis however we are allowed to. When I bought my box of Raptors or Havocs. I also brought the unit's dataslate. They can put every option in one box. Is it more expensive for them ? Yes. Does it make it a better product ? Yes. Do they have to do it ? Of course not. But they really should. And we should push for it as much as we can. It's in our interest as customers.
Of course, or they can truncate the units options to the max of 2 of each gun. People only feel contrary because of historical precedent and wanting efficiency above anything else.
The reason people feel "contrary" due to "historical precedent" is because a lot of older players already have models with the current options. Telling them that their current models are suddenly illegal can be very "annoying" to those players.
Nevelon wrote: I’d rather have more open rules where you can build things not in the box.
These new dataslates with the convoluted restrictions so it only allows exactly what’s in the box are crazy. Especially when there is no in-game lore to support it.
For units with a ton of options (devastators, havocs) I think 4-of-everything is a bit much to ask. But just one of something is a bit rough. 2 strikes me as a decent compromise.
To be fair, we should expect to be able to outfit our minis however we are allowed to. When I bought my box of Raptors or Havocs. I also brought the unit's dataslate. They can put every option in one box. Is it more expensive for them ? Yes. Does it make it a better product ? Yes. Do they have to do it ? Of course not. But they really should. And we should push for it as much as we can. It's in our interest as customers.
Of course, or they can truncate the units options to the max of 2 of each gun. People only feel contrary because of historical precedent and wanting efficiency above anything else.
The reason people feel "contrary" due to "historical precedent" is because a lot of older players already have models with the current options. Telling them that their current models are suddenly illegal can be very "annoying" to those players.
Not illegal, just can't be used in the same combination.
Nevelon wrote: I’d rather have more open rules where you can build things not in the box.
These new dataslates with the convoluted restrictions so it only allows exactly what’s in the box are crazy. Especially when there is no in-game lore to support it.
For units with a ton of options (devastators, havocs) I think 4-of-everything is a bit much to ask. But just one of something is a bit rough. 2 strikes me as a decent compromise.
To be fair, we should expect to be able to outfit our minis however we are allowed to. When I bought my box of Raptors or Havocs. I also brought the unit's dataslate. They can put every option in one box. Is it more expensive for them ? Yes. Does it make it a better product ? Yes. Do they have to do it ? Of course not. But they really should. And we should push for it as much as we can. It's in our interest as customers.
Of course, or they can truncate the units options to the max of 2 of each gun. People only feel contrary because of historical precedent and wanting efficiency above anything else.
The reason people feel "contrary" due to "historical precedent" is because a lot of older players already have models with the current options. Telling them that their current models are suddenly illegal can be very "annoying" to those players.
Not illegal, just can't be used in the same combination.
Not if it's literally "what's in the box". Again, if that approach is taken with basic CSM they'd lose: lascannons and autocannons, as well as combi-weapons, power swords, chainaxes, and lighting claws for the Aspiring Champions. Not to mention not being able to equip a 10 man squad with all bolters or chainswords + pistols. I honestly can't see them taking that approach with CSM, they'll have to take the one they did with first born loyalists and SoB, I.E.: if you can get it from another kit, you can have it. At least for the power armoured units. Terminators might be a different story.
Nevelon wrote: I’d rather have more open rules where you can build things not in the box.
These new dataslates with the convoluted restrictions so it only allows exactly what’s in the box are crazy. Especially when there is no in-game lore to support it.
For units with a ton of options (devastators, havocs) I think 4-of-everything is a bit much to ask. But just one of something is a bit rough. 2 strikes me as a decent compromise.
To be fair, we should expect to be able to outfit our minis however we are allowed to. When I bought my box of Raptors or Havocs. I also brought the unit's dataslate. They can put every option in one box. Is it more expensive for them ? Yes. Does it make it a better product ? Yes. Do they have to do it ? Of course not. But they really should. And we should push for it as much as we can. It's in our interest as customers.
Of course, or they can truncate the units options to the max of 2 of each gun. People only feel contrary because of historical precedent and wanting efficiency above anything else.
The reason people feel "contrary" due to "historical precedent" is because a lot of older players already have models with the current options. Telling them that their current models are suddenly illegal can be very "annoying" to those players.
Not illegal, just can't be used in the same combination.
Not if it's literally "what's in the box". Again, if that approach is taken with basic CSM they'd lose: lascannons and autocannons, as well as combi-weapons, power swords, chainaxes, and lighting claws for the Aspiring Champions. Not to mention not being able to equip a 10 man squad with all bolters or chainswords + pistols. I honestly can't see them taking that approach with CSM, they'll have to take the one they did with first born loyalists and SoB, I.E.: if you can get it from another kit, you can have it. At least for the power armoured units. Terminators might be a different story.
Inclined to agree, I'm not sure I have a feeling on which way they'll go with chosen yet though. It'll be awkward if chosen are stuck in the same weird loadouts as on boxes, it'll basically just make them a marines bits box unit that's rarely fielded.
Marshal Loss wrote: The Chosen datasheet may well end up being a dumpsterfire but I see no reason not to be excited for the options the box provides.
FWIW the new GSC Neophyte datasheet is not restricted to the number of bits that come with the kit. You can take two of each extra weapon option despite only getting one of each in the box.
Perhaps that design philosophy is changing for new codexes?
If so, it changed with the GSC+Custodes.
AdMech had their Skitarii Rangers+Vanguard changed to be 1:10 models for one of each special weapon, no ability to duplicate and 1:10 for Omnispex and Data-Tethers.
Ork Kommandos have a similar thing going on IIRC.
It didn't change, the writers have just been applying it randomly as to which armies get the restrictions and which don't.
From what I've noted, GW seems to be limiting non-kit weapon options around designed interoperability.
The First Born Marine Kits are mostly designed to work together, so allowing you to use your Devestator weapons on your Tactical Marines is allows. Same thing with the Battle Sisters Box. It's designed to integrate with the Retributor Kit (Multi-melta and Power Maul) and the Seraphim Kit (Inferno Pistol and Hand Flamer). Therefore those are options.
Given the designed interoperability of the Chaos Space Marine and Havok Kits, it is unlikely CSM will lose access to those weapons.
Nevelon wrote: I’d rather have more open rules where you can build things not in the box.
These new dataslates with the convoluted restrictions so it only allows exactly what’s in the box are crazy. Especially when there is no in-game lore to support it.
For units with a ton of options (devastators, havocs) I think 4-of-everything is a bit much to ask. But just one of something is a bit rough. 2 strikes me as a decent compromise.
To be fair, we should expect to be able to outfit our minis however we are allowed to. When I bought my box of Raptors or Havocs. I also brought the unit's dataslate. They can put every option in one box. Is it more expensive for them ? Yes. Does it make it a better product ? Yes. Do they have to do it ? Of course not. But they really should. And we should push for it as much as we can. It's in our interest as customers.
Of course, or they can truncate the units options to the max of 2 of each gun. People only feel contrary because of historical precedent and wanting efficiency above anything else.
The reason people feel "contrary" due to "historical precedent" is because a lot of older players already have models with the current options. Telling them that their current models are suddenly illegal can be very "annoying" to those players.
Not illegal, just can't be used in the same combination.
Not if it's literally "what's in the box". Again, if that approach is taken with basic CSM they'd lose: lascannons and autocannons, as well as combi-weapons, power swords, chainaxes, and lighting claws for the Aspiring Champions. Not to mention not being able to equip a 10 man squad with all bolters or chainswords + pistols. I honestly can't see them taking that approach with CSM, they'll have to take the one they did with first born loyalists and SoB, I.E.: if you can get it from another kit, you can have it. At least for the power armoured units. Terminators might be a different story.
Inclined to agree, I'm not sure I have a feeling on which way they'll go with chosen yet though. It'll be awkward if chosen are stuck in the same weird loadouts as on boxes, it'll basically just make them a marines bits box unit that's rarely fielded.
As long as they have enough "interoperability" (as Alextroy explains above) with the other PA kits to be used as a "bits box", then I'd imagine they get the same treatment. If they're monopose and don't have that interoperability? It could be ugly.
As a non-Eldar player, bit lost on what’s currently been revealed and what hasn’t.
Based on the currently revealed advent rumour engine, what new Eldar kits can we expect to see currently vs the current range? Is there a summary anywhere?
Eldar chainsword, no arguments. But corsair a/o storm guardians/kill team could also be an option.
Looks like we are not 100% in chaos land.
Non-Scorpion chainswords lack the flared tip?
They could be changing the aesthetic to match across the board though if it was Storm Guardians or Corsairs.
Between 40k and AoS rumours it looks like a fair few armies are getting the 5th ed Dark Eldar Glow Up revamp treatment - Eldar, CSM (and Seraphon and Skaven in AoS) which is good as those ranges have some of the oldest models floating about still.
Nevelon wrote: I’d rather have more open rules where you can build things not in the box.
These new dataslates with the convoluted restrictions so it only allows exactly what’s in the box are crazy. Especially when there is no in-game lore to support it.
For units with a ton of options (devastators, havocs) I think 4-of-everything is a bit much to ask. But just one of something is a bit rough. 2 strikes me as a decent compromise.
To be fair, we should expect to be able to outfit our minis however we are allowed to. When I bought my box of Raptors or Havocs. I also brought the unit's dataslate. They can put every option in one box. Is it more expensive for them ? Yes. Does it make it a better product ? Yes. Do they have to do it ? Of course not. But they really should. And we should push for it as much as we can. It's in our interest as customers.
Of course, or they can truncate the units options to the max of 2 of each gun. People only feel contrary because of historical precedent and wanting efficiency above anything else.
The reason people feel "contrary" due to "historical precedent" is because a lot of older players already have models with the current options. Telling them that their current models are suddenly illegal can be very "annoying" to those players.
Not illegal, just can't be used in the same combination.
Not if it's literally "what's in the box". Again, if that approach is taken with basic CSM they'd lose: lascannons and autocannons, as well as combi-weapons, power swords, chainaxes, and lighting claws for the Aspiring Champions. Not to mention not being able to equip a 10 man squad with all bolters or chainswords + pistols. I honestly can't see them taking that approach with CSM, they'll have to take the one they did with first born loyalists and SoB, I.E.: if you can get it from another kit, you can have it. At least for the power armoured units. Terminators might be a different story.
Don't the monopose CSM from the Start Collecting start come with an Autocannon and a Chainaxe? So at least those options won't go away.
Eldar chainsword, no arguments. But corsair a/o storm guardians/kill team could also be an option.
Looks like we are not 100% in chaos land.
Non-Scorpion chainswords lack the flared tip?
If I was a betting man, I’d be putting my money down on scorpions as well.
I just wanted to bring up the point that they are not the only guys revving up chainswords in the army. Are there any “modern” ones to compare with? I think all the units that use them have never been in plastic. So if they are doing the transition to the new material, it would not be unreasonable to tweak the aesthetics a bit.
With so much that needs be updated in the army, it’s rare we can say “they would not do that one”. The question is the scope of what’s incoming. Last I checked the rumor suggested a not small amount of things, but not complete.
It's gonna be hilarious if this turns out to be just a single monopose Autarch model with one weapon from each aspect temple, strolling around like Doom guy.
xttz wrote: It's gonna be hilarious if this turns out to be just a single monopose Autarch model with one weapon from each aspect temple, strolling around like Doom guy.
I’d take it.
With all the stuff they have shown, it would be like a return of the multipose SM captain kit. So many options to custom craft Your Dude (tm). Or a 6 armed mutant.
Granted, I’d prefer the 1d3+3 kits, or whatever we are up to at this point.
So is this accurate for an Eldar summary so far
-Rangers
-vehicle (jetbike?) probably a Ranger Unit
-Autarch
-something armed with a Reaper Weapon
-something armed with a chainsword
So is this accurate for an Eldar summary so far
-Rangers
-vehicle (jetbike?) probably a Ranger Unit
-Autarch
-something armed with a Reaper Weapon
-something armed with a chainsword
Something armed with a gun that looks related to DE Shredder or Fusion Gun depending on which camp you sit in.
Nevelon wrote: I’d rather have more open rules where you can build things not in the box.
These new dataslates with the convoluted restrictions so it only allows exactly what’s in the box are crazy. Especially when there is no in-game lore to support it.
For units with a ton of options (devastators, havocs) I think 4-of-everything is a bit much to ask. But just one of something is a bit rough. 2 strikes me as a decent compromise.
Battle Sisters have four of each of their special weapons in a box, and Retributors two of each heavy. That - along with the plethora of unit leader options - should be the standard for each faction.
Striking Scorpion is what I'd guess right off the bat, but someone said kill team up there, and I bet they've got the right idea. Maybe it's just an upgrade sprue for the old guardians, like the tau got for the pathfinders.
TGG wrote: Striking Scorpion is what I'd guess right off the bat, but someone said kill team up there, and I bet they've got the right idea. Maybe it's just an upgrade sprue for the old guardians, like the tau got for the pathfinders.
Nah.
Pathfinders are a relatively new kit, so the upgrade sprue actually makes sense...especially when coupled with Pathfinders being a kind of "special operations" styled group within the Tau army.
Guardians are not anywhere near that new, nor would they really be a thing that would make sense in that vein for Kill Team.
What if it’s like the sister kill team. Like the sisters had junior versions of their hqs, like the medicae, etc. what if it’s an Eldar kill team unit that has one weapon from every existing unit. A dark reaper gun, scorpion sword, and so on. What a tease
While I think this one might not be Striking Scorpions related, I don't think they would devote so many rumour engines to make us think that a huge wave is coming while it was actually fewer than three kits. This would be terrible communication. It it true that they overhype their review streams, but there is not a single rumour engine picture that makes you think "this is clearly unit x" while showing something completely different, not a single one. All pictures there were not obscure and showed a signature part of an unit were actually from that unit. I have checked the whole backlog.
So it would be odd if the reaper launcher and the death spinner at least were not for proper plastic aspect warrior kits.
I'm thinking this and perhaps one or two others are part of a multipart guardian kit, maybe they will have some special weapons rather than the heavy weapon platform?
Ac4155 wrote: As a non-Eldar player, bit lost on what’s currently been revealed and what hasn’t.
Based on the currently revealed advent rumour engine, what new Eldar kits can we expect to see currently vs the current range? Is there a summary anywhere?
Something jetybikey - could be a Vyper, ranger jetbike or Shining Spear aspect warriors
Rangers
Something also rangery that might also be rangers (the coat)
Something rangery than might be Illic nightspear
Maybe Warpspiders (the craftworld blaster)
Maybe Dark Reapers
Maybe Scorpions
Probably an Autarch
Something with a topknot - maybe warp spider exarchy, something rangery, or someone on a jetbike.
Rangers and the rest of the Aspect Warriors would fill out the "massive but incomplete" Eldar update.
Vovin wrote: While I think this one might not be Striking Scorpions related, I don't think they would devote so many rumour engines to make us think that a huge wave is coming while it was actually fewer than three kits. This would be terrible communication. It it true that they overhype their review streams, but there is not a single rumour engine picture that makes you think "this is clearly unit x" while showing something completely different, not a single one. All pictures there were not obscure and showed a signature part of an unit were actually from that unit. I have checked the whole backlog.
So it would be odd if the reaper launcher and the death spinner at least were not for proper plastic aspect warrior kits.
I'll believe it when I see it. If they show us a fusion gun and a lasblaster next, then a theme of showing iconic aspect weapons will make me believe redone aspects a bit more.
Marshal Loss wrote: The Chosen datasheet may well end up being a dumpsterfire but I see no reason not to be excited for the options the box provides.
FWIW the new GSC Neophyte datasheet is not restricted to the number of bits that come with the kit. You can take two of each extra weapon option despite only getting one of each in the box. Perhaps that design philosophy is changing for new codexes?
If so, it changed with the GSC+Custodes.
AdMech had their Skitarii Rangers+Vanguard changed to be 1:10 models for one of each special weapon, no ability to duplicate and 1:10 for Omnispex and Data-Tethers. Ork Kommandos have a similar thing going on IIRC.
It didn't change, the writers have just been applying it randomly as to which armies get the restrictions and which don't.
From what I've noted, GW seems to be limiting non-kit weapon options around designed interoperability.
The First Born Marine Kits are mostly designed to work together, so allowing you to use your Devestator weapons on your Tactical Marines is allows. Same thing with the Battle Sisters Box. It's designed to integrate with the Retributor Kit (Multi-melta and Power Maul) and the Seraphim Kit (Inferno Pistol and Hand Flamer). Therefore those are options.
Given the designed interoperability of the Chaos Space Marine and Havok Kits, it is unlikely CSM will lose access to those weapons.
The problem with this theory is Wyches(which seems to be a common occurrence). It's technically interoperable with all of the other Cult models(even supplying the plastic Succubus with her options) but has this issue.
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