i think they add good detail to the models!

The only thing I don't like about the smaller turrets is their lack of usefulness at shooting at targets on the left side. Are these going to "count as" Leman Russ or Chimeras? If so, IMO, I think the smaller turrets should be nixed and add whatever other weapons they need (hull mounted HB, lascannon, etc.) from 40k bitz. They need a little bit more 40k-izing IMHO. The angles in the hull where the smaller turrets are seem more suited to stowage in my mind's eye.

i hate to second that statement there dave...but your point is valid...

Gentlemen, that was my way of "40K-ing them up some, I am looking for more winged skull and other icon, I may actually sculpt stars and wing in gray-stuff instead if need be. Meanwhile, been going crazy trying to rivet the things. I was just making sure they still get that 45degree deal for bow mounted weapons like the leman and chimera get. It's just the overall look of them is so unusual as to be easily NOT GW product no matter what one does, so I do what I can to make them as a "counts as" model or such, or to work with the Vehicle Design Rules as guidelines for the work.I am actually going to make the Gladius armor 13/12/10 for a light tank armor. It is so similar to the scorpion.

The ARV which was delayed does have stowage boxes on those low areas




meanwhile, rivet pics!
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Even that ramp will leave a mark!

Even that ramp will leave a mark!

"in your face, heretic!" *slam*

yeah i wondered where that pioneer tank went... you introduced it also when talking about that last bulkorder of OC...

did you make DIY rollover bars for that buggy? nice idea! gets the twins to look abit apart!

Actually, those will be tied down antennas, like we used to do back in the day.

Shas, I may be able to cricut you some aquillaie or winged skulls from .080" plasticard if you want.

Wow, shaso, was there some kind of light armoured company deal going at OC when you ordered?

All looking good with the rivets, but it's that ARV I'm waiting for

dsteingass wrote:Shas, I may be able to cricut you some aquillaie or winged skulls from .080" plasticard if you want.

With m,y shaky hands, I would not attempt cutting that small an item. Thank you, I may have to take you up on that offer, Then I can sculpt that star on them.

monkeytroll wrote:Wow, shaso, was there some kind of light armoured company deal going at OC when you ordered?

All looking good with the rivets, but it's that ARV I'm waiting for

Ah, the ARV has been delayed, but will be on it's way shortly according Jez at OC. As for any deals, well, with patience to wait the days he asks for , he does charge a low price for such crisp clean models, unlike a well known, infamous and over pricey company we all know that sends expensive models whose weight is at least 1/3 waste resin attached and the lifting oil still on their stuff. I have to say for the love he puts into his models, he could teach FW a lesson or two as they do charge so much yet they do so little to ensure the models will be easy to work with.

So, the most expensive of my OC tanks is the Sabre at 35USD,,,Leman Russ from GW 50USD, FW modified Leman Russ, around 550USD at present. Oh and the OC the resin is solid, a bit heavier, but not as delicate as the more expensive company stuff, and the amount of play they expect from the FW stuff makes me cringe due to the smaller the part, the mor elikely it is it will snap, and at basically 80USD a squad of Kriegs, those las-rifles in that material scares the hell out of me,

But let me compare, those Geckos light cars are 10USD a model, whereas the FW Tauros is 47USD, I simply aded a weapon by adding the gun turret kit OC makes for a small weapon system, as seen above in pics, that cost an extra, 5.79USD, so my "tuaros" is 15.79USD compared to 47-48USD per car.,,,I know, some will say look at how much more detail is on the FW model,,,consider the clean-up needed, and the soaking in soapy water/drying as well, and it takes some time before you even get to actually assemble the thing, Here, I just pull the parts out of the bag, and start building! Based on the crew, the models are about the same basic size. Both follow a modern attack buggy of even today's light vehicle designs. That and I would still be afraid to drop that FW kit.

shasolenzabi wrote:Actually, those will be tied down antennas, like we used to do back in the day.

didn´t think that way... now i understand^^

No worries Vik, it just may have been a yank thing in the 1980's when I served. Soon will have pics up for the heavy attack 6-rads

well looking forward to that in the night then^^

Actually posting them here and now!
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are those autoturrets? it is kind of hard to imagine to have a crew of three sitting in that small vehicle...

Viktor von Domm wrote:are those autoturrets? it is kind of hard to imagine to have a crew of three sitting in that small vehicle...

It is indeed an automated servo turret, only two men are in that machine, the turret is all servos and tracking/targetting systems and ammo feeds.

thought so... although...pretty cowded inside as is^^

The 2nd seat is inside the vehicle, and is also part of the inner workings of the turret, but what is up and visible has no one so high up. So, driver, with gunner/commander right behind the driver, but his seat is the command/control section for that turret and the HK launchers.

Just saying that your antenna's are a little thick have you considered Guitar wire ? Walmart has a cheap set you can get for $4-5

Quick question is that the light tracked transport (Glaive) any chance of a shot of 1 by a Chimera?

shasolenzabi wrote:The 2nd seat is inside the vehicle, and is also part of the inner workings of the turret, but what is up and visible has no one so high up. So, driver, with gunner/commander right behind the driver, but his seat is the command/control section for that turret and the HK launchers.

so more of a apchee kind of setting to the seats then... ok, understood...

some interesting looking apcs you have there mate. did you add the rivets ?

Sonofruss: My guitar wires are now done to ultra-thin singles that would be super small. Here I experimented with paperclips.

Llamahead: A good question to ask.Looking at the Chimera which has treads and engines external mounted from the cab and crew area, the chimear is wider, and also apparently taller with the turret especially. The Glaive has a same width passenger compartment, and has similar spots for the passengers to shoot from, I would class the glaive as more "urban friendly" however when compared to the Chimera, both have about the same length from nose to ramp.

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Neil101: But of course I added "rivets"! here is the best close up I have ever gotten so far.

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Vik: here we go, I know how much you enjoy "family photos"

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well i heard recently that OC will name a new tank after you... man that must have cost a fortune... do you still have both kidneys?

and that IS a very good and shaded rivet shot this time...!

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by the way... how many men will the glaive will be able to transport? somehow i cant see an oponent allaow the same amount of troops there...

Now you must be pulling my leg. His tanks have names of medieval weapons.

Thank you, my best close up ever!

Primer later.

Even though basically the glaive and chimera actually have the same compartment sizes, I think 12 men even is a bit much for the Chimera. I usually only place 10men anyway.

Kilkrazy wrote:http://tobsen77.de/index.php?lan=en&show=gallery&id=11

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Well, the upper section is the holding area for minis and paints, the keyboard slide is where the magic is done!

If you moved the phone, your riveting space would be incrased 25%

That was just me posing the whole bunch on that area. I really don't have any space for the phone, other than where it is.

I usually have just the one vehicle at a time on the keyboard slab with the "rivet-gun" at any given time./ Speaking of which, got a lot of priming done before the fog rolled in.

The family looking sexy in black.
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That should be enough to get the main colors started.

now the rivets really jump at us!

quick are ye! very quick...but the emperor has next to no patience^^


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by the way... i really have to congratulate you for the ability to work on such a narrow space...me as a true messy worker would have gone totally insane... when i am in mid work all my tools and materials are strewn around any old how...

Viktor von Domm wrote:now the rivets really jump at us!

quick are ye! very quick...but the emperor has next to no patience^^


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by the way... i really have to congratulate you for the ability to work on such a narrow space...me as a true messy worker would have gone totally insane... when i am in mid work all my tools and materials are strewn around any old how...

That is how it usually seems to work. A good lick of primer and the rivets get the shading they need to stand out more.

Spray can is a big help.

I have been taking hints from folks living in small Japanese apartments.

oh...that is truly then hints form masters all right...

So true.

Now you see the idea of the old fashioned air-mobile army that would be men and vehicles dropped by air-craft, including smaller tanks and support vehicles small enough to go with them. I can now safely say that I have for the Khadrovian forces every thing from armored cars, transports and light to super heavy tanks.

well... if i have my little say... we need more walkers... sorry i have a knack for mechs...^^

Rivet-tastic!!!

I do have some sentinels that need to be revisited, later.

Thanks Dave!

Okay, started to paint the OC stuff, and added more to the T-350 painting. Now the changes were a tad subtle, but I have added tin bits, and gun-metal and the commander has had his uniform set to the new color for Konfedracy tankers

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Now as for the OC stuff, the most interesting thing is my addition of augry/sensors to the Cross-fire turrets, made them look more like present day turrets with all the designation/search/lights/lasers, etc.

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the difference between clean fresh paint, and the dirty effects! but the new system should make the machine look more menacing.
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Most likely this will make my opponents want to kill these faster.

lol

Most likely this will make my opponents want to kill these faster.

lol...

well seeing these OC models...if i had enough cash i would like to get one of these too...too bad they would not be fluffy units...but maybe if my sons force one day has more paint on them i could argue to have a few OC models for these then... (he gets a more modern looking policeforce)

Hey the gecko(full armor, ) and Goanna w/o the turrets look kind of future cop like.

The APC's seem like paddy wagons if no cannons either, just a command hatch(which they do come with).

I like the targeter, but it needs more rivets

dsteingass wrote:I like the targeter, but it needs more rivets

Hmmm, yes, rivets. How could I have forgotten!

Thanks a lot thats muc appreciated. I still haven't decided whether to take the plunge if they were a bit bigger I definitely would as the proxy model works against me smaller works for me so I'll have to give it some deeper consideration.

NP Llamahead, it is roughly the same size model, just a bit lower slung and not flanked by monstrous treads with the engines inside the track system.


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Oha and OC let me know the ARV is shipped out and on it's way to me!

ah finally^^

Well, here I have some updates, rivets added and painted over on those once smooth augury boxes.
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that turret all in black now looks very cool...the rivtes now "pop" very good... and i have to say i see how good you are with making them rivtes these days...expierience is 90% of the success^^

the attackcar makes me wonder...will the tires be camoed as well or just the caps of the wheels? could be that i ask before such touchups but i can´t remember how you did other wheeled vehicles...

Viktor von Domm wrote:that turret all in black now looks very cool...the rivtes now "pop" very good... and i have to say i see how good you are with making them rivtes these days...expierience is 90% of the success^^

the attackcar makes me wonder...will the tires be camoed as well or just the caps of the wheels? could be that i ask before such touchups but i can´t remember how you did other wheeled vehicles...

Yeah that black is sexy.

The tires will be reblacked before they get dirty.

Very cool Shas! Everything looks better primed and riveted! This is also a great opportunity to hone your lens-painting skills too. I always find the lenses tricky myself, and a bit scary too.

i think shaso has a good way of doing window panes and lenses/gems...

oh, I guess he does! sorry! Ignore me then!

if i comment on that i in a sense ignor you...or more the contens of your last post... if i hadn´t said anything...i would have followed your meaning...sometimes it is such a tough nut to do the bidding of your fellow man...

All things you say are wise my friend!

do carry on with your learnings pupil...

So, the windows of the attack cars have their basic Dark Angel Green, as do some of the other items. like lenses. Gotta have things look good.

Scary similarity between the new turret I got from OC and this video.



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You can see similarities between the turrets, and differences. Some unconscious homage to systems happens in his designs. I like it because they are then more plausible concepts for my army to have them.

iu recently saw a vid of a so called riptide tank design...when you see those tanks rollin`you don´t see them as tanks and heavy vehicles anymore...they are so fast now... no comparrision to the old steelhides from the late wars...

so when will you start to muck that shiny turret up?

Viktor von Domm wrote:iu recently saw a vid of a so called riptide tank design...when you see those tanks rollin`you don´t see them as tanks and heavy vehicles anymore...they are so fast now... no comparrision to the old steelhides from the late wars...

so when will you start to muck that shiny turret up?

Oh very soon, presently camo-ing up the "fleet" and found a interesting Ukraine vehicle that looks like the Glaive,,,IFV-64 made from recycled T-64 and made into other vehicles, this had some decent pep in it's step as opposed to the slower IFV-55,,,yep T-55 heavy APC. But the imagery of the IFV-64



Glaive


Now the Glaive has been around longer than IFV-64, but the uncanny similarities and differences are still there, and makes me like these more!

I would love to mount a battle cannon or a big AT las-weapon on that right side- make a low-profile tank hunter!

dsteingass wrote:I would love to mount a battle cannon or a big AT las-weapon on that right side- make a low-profile tank hunter!

Well, they do actually have a self propelled gun that is no higher than the latest batch of tanks as it uses the same track/chassis as the gladius/glaive Old Crow dubs it the "Halberd"


Not as low slung as the spots of the glaive you speak of, but I am also sitting on more gun-barrels that will allow me to make more scratch-builds!

Ahh Very cool! That is exactly what I was thinking!

dsteingass wrote:Ahh Very cool! That is exactly what I was thinking!

Yes, Old Crow has a lot of tricks up his sleeve!
Anti-air turret on tank chassis


Alternate manticore turret


And more things I wish to get my hands on!
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So, in a major apocalypse game, my army would be the speedy OC and other light/fast vehicles in the first wave, followed by lemans and chimeras, followed by the super-heavies with arty support. A multi-layered attack as tanks and troops would arrive so many times to attack, destroy and tie up enemy positions. ( I like the "Tank-riders" to have the rest of the men come along on the superheavies and lemans and sabres for fun!, and now squads on gladius tanks as well.

that apc has lots of that passive armor on the sides... and quite the speed too...when something like that is charging on you...you have little time to move for cover...

Yep, and then you have a squad of well armed soldiers pouring out to collect you.

collect ...now that is a nice image^^

Not necessarily. Depends on why they are jumping out at you, weapons drawn.....

did you see my wave approach for massive battles?

yep... that seems pretty sound... and for me the different tech levels in your army make that way way more sense...tho one has to take into acord that your force is spread out that system...no telling that all worlds have the same level of tech throughout... so this is a good aproach...


and when soldiers come running at you with guns at the ready they seldom want to get drinking buddies with you^^

Well, since the entire army is for an "integrated" effect from all major producers of the Konfederacy, one has to plan on how to make them all work together., or support each other. Just saw new footage of Russia's new T-90MS "Tagil" tank and the supporting BMPT "Terminator" which provides anti-air/anti-tank support for the MBT's.


Yeah, if I see soldiers scrambling out of a APC with guns, time to worry, if they come out smiling and with booze in hand, well, less worries.

nope... i have heard quite scary and hurtful stories of specially russian soldiers during the post war times in germany... if you see soldiers...be somewhere else...specially for women...

and as for the tanks...vids or it didn´t happen^^


by the way... i know you are feverently working on your OC but what is about your plans for the shrine tank?...just asking...^^

So many simpler projects of painting right now, the shrine tank is a future project

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understood!^^

and that vid...during the playtime i had a feeling of watching a videogame movie sequence...reminded me of the tank episodes from mechwarrior or possibly heavy gear... quite cool...and i catually lol´ed when the tank jumped over that small hill...man i bet that gotta hrt the crew... but it is quite frighting to see of what modern tanks are capable of doing...

Plenty of videos on Youtube of the Russian "flying tank" as the T-90 is able to make leaps like that off of hills and similar obstacles All the nations now have updated tanks in their inventories or are getting them. Like the game board is re-set as even US is not so super a power at the moment.

BTW OC has a turret that could be on the Sabre chassis, shown earlier that would fulfill the BMPT role for my army.

which turret might that be?

also that turret of the jumping tank reminded me again a bit of the milenuim falcon^^

This turret

as close as one can get...pretty massive, but still good looking...

Viktor von Domm wrote:as close as one can get...pretty massive, but still good looking...

Yep. Modular systems for the modern touch and cost effective approach

aye!

Hmmm, My army is so full of hereteks! such forward thinking machinery, my AM boyz have deviated away from the basics!

whut?

Nice find there Vik! The ARV arrived earlier and now i have pics to show how much love it got! Due to delays, Jez did either throw in or it comes like this, chain, more stowage boxes, and the old and NEW, yes, new crane!

Original crane(left) very plain but served for so long, either add the extender to the main arm and working en, or glue the working end to the main part for transpert stowage, now the new one has the hollow section and if you cut it right, fully or partially extended, as well. New style of control turrets as well
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uuuuhhhhh.... this looks very good! i bet you are itchy to assemble the stuff... over the course of the year i think i will get me some of that OC eyecandy too...if the job aplication goes well that is...^^

Built, pics coming soon

I like that turret, and I really like that chassis, but I don't like them together for some reason....

New style arm looks good for the ARV. The lower hull section looks like it could find some use in underhive bulkheads

dsteingass wrote:I like that turret, and I really like that chassis, but I don't like them together for some reason....

That turret is sized for just that chassis as the hole in the middle is quite big.

monkeytroll wrote:New style arm looks good for the ARV. The lower hull section looks like it could find some use in underhive bulkheads

Oh the treads are integrated under that solid looking slab, but I get you point.

Now the Gladius and Samson together, same basic design chassis, but the differences are quite stark
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Man that's cool! Is that just old jewelry chain?

dsteingass wrote:Man that's cool! Is that just old jewelry chain?

It came with the kit. they offer the chains and other bits alone at OC under vehicle accessories I have found, mufflers, bumpers, tow hooks and cleats along with the boxes and such.

Oooh Value Add! Nice!

dsteingass wrote:Oooh Value Add! Nice!

Check it all out, so many accessories! And his prices put another well known forge of resin models to shame.
http://www.oldcrowmodels.co.uk/25acces.htm

hmmm... looks nice but for a real multipirpose vehicle it is a bit on the smalish side...
the chimera looks rather big in comparision... but i have to say that leverarm looks really good,

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one big enough to actually "bridge" your tanks...some of the faster ones at least....

Viktor von Domm wrote:hmmm... looks nice but for a real multipirpose vehicle it is a bit on the smalish side...
the chimera looks rather big in comparision... but i have to say that leverarm looks really good,

also....what i am now thinking of what your army now needs is a



one big enough to actually "bridge" your tanks...some of the faster ones at least....

True, I may suggest to Jez he make a sabre hulled scissor bridge-layer like that, I mean most countries make the things,

aye...that is a most sound idea... also for more flexibility you could make your own...the actual ponton structure is not that fancy... so it is doable on your own... and of course you could always get yourself another sabre from OC as well for the substructure...

Viktor von Domm wrote:aye...that is a most sound idea... also for more flexibility you could make your own...the actual ponton structure is not that fancy... so it is doable on your own... and of course you could always get yourself another sabre from OC as well for the substructure...

True enough, I have sent him the suggestion. As for making a proper basic system, and then the bridge pieces, I think the bridge will be easier than the "turret"/deployment system that takes the place of the combat system turret of the sabre.

you are actually suggesting stuff for their production...how cool is that? wow...i feel rather proud of you now! (thats my honest face here...cool!)

Viktor von Domm wrote:you are actually suggesting stuff for their production...how cool is that? wow...i feel rather proud of you now! (thats my honest face here...cool!)

Well, it is just a suggestion, he may decide not to accept making iot, but if not, no worries, I amn already looking at images of the M-60A1-AVLB system, an interesting set up iof pistons and control mechanisms to un-lock the bridge and unfold it to deploy.. I might have to make it unfoldable

sweet... with real servicable action pistons... that would be the killer piece in your army!

Viktor von Domm wrote:sweet... with real servicable action pistons... that would be the killer piece in your army!

It may be tough, but if i work the slide action just right, it will be extendable pistons as the server moves down and helps deploy the bridge section, which i will have removable, and pin-hinged.

if i had the right materials i now would deem this doable too...after all you showed with your moveable turrets it is possible!

It's good to see so many Old Crow tanks being put to good use here...they are pretty good aren't they? (I have a couple of dozen of them myself).

Have you seen the ones from Scotia Grendel? They have quite a selection of weird armoured vehicles and it is worth looking through all of their sections because they range from wheeled to tracked to hover (just like Old Crow).

Here's a link to their site: http://www.scotiagrendel.com/

and here are a few examples:

http://www.scotiagrendel.com/Products/images/Grendel%20Sci%20Fi/10041_sci_fi_apc.jpg

http://www.scotiagrendel.com/Products/images/Grendel%20Sci%20Fi/F0007_ATAC_APC.jpg

http://www.scotiagrendel.com/Products/images/Kryomek%20Nexus%20Vehicles/NVO-001_assegai_battle_tank.jpg

http://www.scotiagrendel.com/Products/images/Kryomek%20Nexus%20Vehicles/NVO-006%20Ogre%20234%20Assault%20Gun.jpg

Well worth a look and most of these cost less than a tenner.

Oh, I know of them, I just thought that they had gone out of business a few years back the Kryomek seemed to have anyway

I have been picking up a load of their APCs for one of my projects and they paint up really nicely (they dry-brush really well because of their texture).

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d161/Inso/Grymn/Grymn%20Tunnel%20Fighters/GTF76.jpg

I changed the original turrets for the 6mm scale ones from Old Crow (cannons or rocket-launchers, depending on role).

The only real issue is that they are pretty small (smaller even than Old Crow) so they may not work well with marines/IG.

Have you seen the Pig Iron tanks?:

http://www.pig-iron-productions.com/vehicles-c-8.html?zenid=c3375c38a8b4d03909b9c138141410fe

They are pretty big and mean looking and you can get the turrets separately as well.

Inso wrote:I have been picking up a load of their APCs for one of my projects and they paint up really nicely (they dry-brush really well because of their texture).

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d161/Inso/Grymn/Grymn%20Tunnel%20Fighters/GTF76.jpg

I changed the original turrets for the 6mm scale ones from Old Crow (cannons or rocket-launchers, depending on role).

The only real issue is that they are pretty small (smaller even than Old Crow) so they may not work well with marines/IG.

Have you seen the Pig Iron tanks?:

http://www.pig-iron-productions.com/vehicles-c-8.html?zenid=c3375c38a8b4d03909b9c138141410fe

They are pretty big and mean looking and you can get the turrets separately as well.

Oh, I know, the most a IG could make of those Kryomek APC's is maybe a 6-man team? I do that with the Half-tracks by OC and the same would be for their really light APC.

Ah, the Pig Iron tanks are very big indeed! I have thought of them, but, well, the OC is pretty close to my needs as are some other things like the scratch-builds and the conversion of WW-2 vehicles. But yeah, some of the Kryomek APCS up-scaled would look awesome.

Have to snap some pics of the now "rivetted" ARV

*rubs hands* (i know used that already quite often...*shrugs*)

Have a taste for now.
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do those support vehicles have the chains all stored outside? i would have thought these would be inside or rather around a reel...but i guess you want to show off a bit of bling with this one?^^

mmmm Rivets!

Some do have so many tow chains and cables that they drape them about Vik.

Tasty eh Dave?

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Oh yes, and some GS for that hook of the crane/chain

your glue rivets again make a nice tank a superior tank...

Viktor von Domm wrote:your glue rivets again make a nice tank a superior tank...

This has probably been shown a handful of times already - but I'm new to Dakka - so I'll have to ask: Can someone point me towards a guide for 'glue rivets'? They will be for my plasticard Skorcha and BW.

Viktor von Domm wrote:your glue rivets again make a nice tank a superior tank...

Thanks Vik. I have grown fond of those rounded rivets.

TaWaaagh wrote:
This has probably been shown a handful of times already - but I'm new to Dakka - so I'll have to ask: Can someone point me towards a guide for 'glue rivets'? They will be for my plasticard Skorcha and BW.

No problem, first, I took a GW plastic cement bottle that had run out of glue and washed out the last of it, then refilled with PVA glue(white glue, elmer's etc.
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The right amount of pressure is needed to help hold the right size blob of glue and then touch it to the surface and practice a bit as even I still get some big rivets when i wanted them smaller, it is like dotting candies with a icing squeezer.
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So, it is quite that simple, just getting things set up right, and then using the right amount of pressure squeezing your "rivet-gun".

Looks simple enough (that alone is proof that it isnt!)

I will have a go at it later. Thanks

No problem
like I said, practice making your rivet dots before aplyiung them to the model, nie thing about orks is the sizes can be off and still be a-ok!

maybe we should all make a rivet article for this board... with all possible ways to make rivets...yours...mine...daves...and maybe someone can make something explainative with pics... so much options...

Viktor von Domm wrote:maybe we should all make a rivet article for this board... with all possible ways to make rivets...yours...mine...daves...and maybe someone can make something explainative with pics... so much options...

That could be a good idea for the rivet minded neophytes out there

well we all know that rivets are very important for model making...in fact it is a vital/essential thing...^^

As will be seen in my now partially painted OC minis as they have the 2 main colors on!

OH nice^^ but as i am about to go to bed i will drool over them later on....have a productive day mate!

Without the flash on, it does get odd to see how blue the gray gets! The heavier attack cars!
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Hey shazo , you must have some serious storage for all these tanks mate , these latest ones remind me of classic 70s sci fi.

neil101 wrote:Hey shazo , you must have some serious storage for all these tanks mate , these latest ones remind me of classic 70s sci fi.

I have the boxes and such to pack them, so yep, that and their size helps.

whoa... it always amazes me in which seed you can make these vehicles get so much paint on them... the two taks i did took way too long for my liking...and they werent even primed to begin with...

looking very good in the bicolored way...and nicley do the rivets look now...

Viktor von Domm wrote:whoa... it always amazes me in which seed you can make these vehicles get so much paint on them... the two taks i did took way too long for my liking...and they werent even primed to begin with...

looking very good in the bicolored way...and nicley do the rivets look now...

Ah, I get these bursts of manic painting of vehicles, (I also have some other projects for friends to finish) but the inspiration to get them done hits me and well....you know how things go with me, the third camo bit, decals, touch ups, details like vision-blocks and lights etc, then the dirtying them up a tad bit.

Now for the Gecko! I made rear handrails/tie down points as well.
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did you make those smaller handrails on the back too? the bigger on the sides...it would look better if you have given it something of that look:




will there be a second one on the other side as well?

Well, that was supposed to be an antenna! coming as it were from the radio mount. I shall have to make a knotted rope effect for the tips to the bodies.

Now the attack cars.
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... didn´t recognize the small structure at the bginning...now i see my error...^^

Nice stuff Shas! You are an armor-painting machine! You ever consider airbrushing camo? I have never done that myself, but on other things it has really sped up painting, and you can get cool blend patterns.

Viktor von Domm wrote:... didn´t recognize the small structure at the bginning...now i see my error...^^

More learning opportunity my Padiwan!

dsteingass wrote:Nice stuff Shas! You are an armor-painting machine! You ever consider airbrushing camo? I have never done that myself, but on other things it has really sped up painting, and you can get cool blend patterns.

I have, costs of airbrush and then support elements have been a bit restrictive on me, as well as I sometimes tend to "shake" a bit with that darned arthritis of mine.

oww....now that would be a (sorry no pun...) blow when using the airbrush...

Viktor von Domm wrote:oww....now that would be a (sorry no pun...) blow when using the airbrush...

Pretty much yep! i have to work with what I have at the moment.

going airbrush is a whole new big leap in the hobby... needs lots of things like more space and tools and all this stuff... something i too am not able to afford or provide... but boy i would love to make my fingers want to try out one of these "paintguns" ^^

Well, the arthritis makes for some squiggly lines eh?

wow... that is one hell of a black humor of yours shaso °.°

but you are right...one must use everything at his disposal to the best advantage!!!

One get's to be certain ways as Life rolls by.

Now for some of those squiggly lines, as you like 'em !! The P/U style Gecko
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i really like your squiggly lines... very good again...

what exactly will the ARV do in a battle? is it armed at all? or is it helpless?

The ARV has the job of repair/or recover, it also can use the ability as ammo carrier if I have artillery, or can be an objective for the battles that use placed objectives on the table. It is unfortunately not armed itself.

well i guess then it is a matter of balancing out the scales...

Yep, pretty much.

Now to find decals, touch up the paint, and then dirty 'em up!

definatly dirty them up... those wheelers will need some heavy duty muddy action...

Viktor von Domm wrote:definatly dirty them up... those wheelers will need some heavy duty muddy action...

Being mostly open, the back tires will leave splatter as well, the fron tires have the fenders, which will also make some interesting patterns, but get ready to see a wiper pattern across muddy glass!

oh yeah... that would be a nice thing indeed!

I will make them look as pics of off road racers!

Like Rally Sport racers.

that is an excellent referrence for these vehicles... and the shape might be helpful too as i definatly see similarities there...

Yep, so filthy, muddy, splattery attack rally cars

exactly that i had in mind!

You know what they say about Great Minds Vik.

As my machines will be covered in their muddiness, and utilitarian as befits my army concept, yours takes the opposite and must be more like fighting art Vik old boy!

yup... that is the spirit i try to aim for... artful juggernauts of war...

Now you must uphold the line of the Emperor where you are at with your Viktorians as I must with my Khadrovians

*please hold the line...* *peeeeeeeP*




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Oh and of course, throw one or two of these at them while we're at it!

that stalin quote was in weety´s sig for quite a long time... i really like that^^

oh...and have you seen the new league banner dave did?... time for a change...^^

Already synched it up

ah... fellow follower^^

I think Skalk has backslid, or he just doesn't like us anymore.

Well, keeping current, and up-to-date with my rivetting is all.
Yeah Dave, no telling what is driving his spoof.

Anyway, it is time to do some building, but I will decal that turret and dirty it so I can snap pics, then put it away and work on the second turret to match the other "Lancer"

^^

Gotta do it all to a plan

well... like i´ve heard ...no best laid plan survives the clash with the enemy^^

true enough

Loving this thread a heap!

Just wondering if you could do me a favour. I have a 1/35 STRV 103 S Tank coming to me soon, and I wanted to check it's size against the Old Crow Sabre and a Leman Russ.

I am trying to decide what kind of turret I want to kit bash onto it, and since you have a few, it would make my life a whole lot easier to see which one fits best at what scale.

If you're able to put the new turrets and the point weapon defense systems next to it, that would be even better.

Keep going with the thread! Want to see what else you'll make!

Ah, i have a 1/35the scale "S" tank, it is about landraider sized, and i placed a spare Railgun in place of the 105mm gun(GW guns are ridiculously huge for the scale!)

But to slap a turret on it, I would say the Sabre Turrets as well as the Crossfire and or the more standard dual weapon turrets would work, the smaller point defense units would be more small as the STRV-103 at that scale of 1/35 is a BIG bugger.

Dangit, there goes my hope for using it to replace the Russ.

Thanks for your help. I might make mine into a Shadowsword or something similar. I'll have to look at 1/48 scale tanks to use as Russ Replacements.

Fenriswulf wrote:Dangit, there goes my hope for using it to replace the Russ.

Thanks for your help. I might make mine into a Shadowsword or something similar. I'll have to look at 1/48 scale tanks to use as Russ Replacements.

I use my S-Tank as a second Valdor heavy anti-tank gun.

Russ sized 1/35 scale tanks would be the WW-2 "Light" tanks, like a PzKpFw-III or the T-26, some folks have used 1/48 scales KV-1 and KV-2 as alternate Russes.

I am looking for a more modern looking army, so I will probably grab the Merkava Mk I in 1/48 to use as a Russ replacement, and the Merkava Mk IV in 1/35th as a Baneblade etc.

Good idea on using the STRV 103 as a Valdor. It should suit well enough to be used as a Malcador Infernus and other similarly sized vehicles then.

The 1/48 KV 2's do work well in scale as far as I have seen. I am wondering how the US Stryker's work scale wise at 1/35. Might have to take a punt and buy one to see.

Have you seen the resin miniatures from www.antenocitisworkshop.com? I think those would be right up your alley as well. As an added bonus, you could mix and match turrets from the Old Crow stuff as you need.

I am thinking I might get some of the Hunchbacks as APC's for my upcoming armies. I wonder how well they'd scale in. Would be worth checking out.

All good ideas. That hunchback is meant to be used with the 25-30mm range minis so it would work.

The gecko is a cool model shazza, the guy on the turret one is my fave .

neil101 wrote:The gecko is a cool model shazza, the guy on the turret one is my fave .

Thanks neil. The guy on the armed Pick-Up version is just my way getting some minis back to work instead of sitting around doing absolutely nothing!

Hello All!!! I thought i would stop in and say hello! Im back from the dead if you will.

How is everyone? I can see progress has been made in my long hiatus. I can say that i am quite impressed and thoroughly looking forward to seeing Much more from you talented people!!!

And how goes things Shaso and Vik?

FireCancer!

hey long time no see...hope you are now all fresh and motivivated again...any new things in the making?

Well vik, i just posted up my most recent scratch build, of a pretty standard looking basilisk. Though since my plasticard skills have greatly improved over before i think i will be venturing moreso into doing a handful more of the Trucks that i had made up before.

Possibly Maybe a thought in my head to start up a Long term ultra-super-mega Heavy tank. just something SO over the top. Im still in the awful doodles stage with that project though haha.

FireCancer

yup...i had a look just now in your new thread... looking good! but as i stated there already...needs rivets... i think i have to make a meme for that^^

Hahah Yes. i shall be adding rivets. Many... Many... Rivets.

Hmm, NEEDS MOAR RIVETS... I can see a Comissar yelling that as a Meme.

yep...something like that^^

Welcome back Firecancer! Now i have a new thread to follow
YOU MUST GET RIVETS!

IT IS THE LAW!!!

Smooth it enters, rivetted it leaves

Smooth it enters, rivetted it leaves

definatly siged!

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Smooth it enters, rivetted it leaves

definatly siged!

LOL! I see! well, we must spread the rivet mania!

aye^^

Well, an update will be forthcoming tonight for me as i am adding decals and weathering to some vehicles today.

about bloddy time old chum...i was worried you started knitting for a new hobby...

Yeah, sorry about that. But I have decaled that crossfire turret, and am painting squiggles on the scorpions, they will get decals as well as the T-350! Yes, the T-350 will be decaled as well!

well i guess i wont be on for too long but i will enjoy those pics if i miss them then at least tomorrow...

kids and wife will be then off to see my wretched in-laws...

Ah, yes, the in-laws.

Hey i have to work on the models before they are ready for pictures!

*wide grin* cut on the sleeping...then it leaves you with more time for caressing your models^^

Well, I have some teaser to tide you all over until I am done
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now you are in a loop^^

and i see,,, it is the famous A-team tank^^

Viktor von Domm wrote:now you are in a loop^^

and i see,,, it is the famous A-team tank^^

Especially as it is this very thread on my monitor when I snapped these pics!

Well, you get A-B-C on the decal sheet. so I would have to add numbers to the letters to make some differentiation, or just use the letters for A-company, B-company, C-company,,,and you know that C-company is always the "Bad boyz!"

c= bad boys? why that?

Viktor von Domm wrote:c= bad boys? why that?

Because the "A" company is held to a standard and get's to represent the battalion it is attached to. "B" gets to just do the work assigned and be ready to also take the place of "A" if "A" can't make it. "C" is usually full of the misfits and others that do not quite make that grade. I was a "C" Battery member, so that is how it was when I was in Neu Ulm, we did however try and break out of that mold. But we were the battery/company that had the MP's at our barracks the most for so many reasons.

lol.... now i see... and funnily i was in the third company... but our folks were always quite pleasant...

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Now I can work on the other tanks and the second turret

wow...that was a good decision to show a before and after shot.... almost not recognizable... now it definatly puts the fear about the emperor into the foul hearts of the heretics!

Viktor von Domm wrote:wow...that was a good decision to show a before and after shot.... almost not recognizable... now it definatly puts the fear about the emperor into the foul hearts of the heretics!

Yep, so from pristine snowy to all decked out and muddy!

and that´s how we like your tanks...^^

As well, they should be liked! No show room looks for me!

lol

Well, maybe if i was asked to do a fresh off the assembly line/placed in the showroom look to a tank....

Woah, cool tanks mate.
If I may offer a suggestion? Why not build up the dirt in a few more-, but thinner layers? Maybe use some drybrushing to make it look a bit more random. Right now it looks a bit like they have been dipped in mud instead of driven through it.
And a thin outlining of the details with thinned black ink will really bring those lovely details to life.

It would take some more time to finish each vehicle but it would give the models that much more oomph!

shasolenzabi wrote:Well, maybe if i was asked to do a fresh off the assembly line/placed in the showroom look to a tank....

*looks around* i think no one is currently asking for those tho...market demands more yucky mucjy tanks atm... and you know it is a buyers market^^

Meph wrote:Woah, cool tanks mate.
If I may offer a suggestion? Why not build up the dirt in a few more-, but thinner layers? Maybe use some drybrushing to make it look a bit more random. Right now it looks a bit like they have been dipped in mud instead of driven through it.
And a thin outlining of the details with thinned black ink will really bring those lovely details to life.

It would take some more time to finish each vehicle but it would give the models that much more oomph!

I thought about it, may re-do them, but I was going for that effect I have seen with German mud that there are pics of, when they drove modern vehicles through some watered mud, it coated them almost like a paint dipping. There are some pics earlier on that showed a Leopard-2 looking similar to my "mud" effect, I should likely do the salt trick and that will add grit to the mud, but that German Mud was smooth and that was why it seemed paint like.

Wow Shas! You have to be getting close to having an entire armored division now?!?!

@Vik, Yeppers!


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dsteingass wrote:Wow Shas! You have to be getting close to having an entire armored division now?!?!

well, 12 Leman Russ
10superheavies(Baneblade/T-61A5/T-400/T-350/T-290/ Valdorex 2/Seadragon/T-440/T-300)
2 basilisk
1 Manticore
2 Sabres
2 Lancers
2 claymores
2 dragoons
2 goannas
2 Gecko(closed)
Gecko P/U
2 Gladius
2Glave
Sampson
6Chimeras
9 Sentinels.
Hydra
MBT-90D "Mazurka"
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So, 26 frontline tanks(17mbts, 9superheavies)
15 APC/IFV's
1 AA
14 Recce
3 Arty
1 recover/construction

man...how do you carry all that stuff...or are they able to drive next to you?^^

My IG army needs some work to move as the Big box of tanks and the back pack are now joined by all the OC minis in their boxes.

what about this kind of transport for your ever growing needs? seems very fitting...:

Viktor von Domm wrote:what about this kind of transport for your ever growing needs? seems very fitting...:

That would be awesome helping me walk them all back up the hill!

*snip*

That would be awesome helping me walk them all back up the hill!

that was what i understood at first after reading that comment^^

Hey I sometimes walk with a load of groceries on my back and use both a cane and umbrella like ski poles to crawl back up as the incline is like <

Yeah i know, my legs are not like they used to be.

hey i thought you guys from the US all buy your stuff via the web... brought fresh and packed nowadays and delivered home...

That looks like a bunch of D&D characters have stumbled upoun a time-wrecked tank

Mage: I cast Show Enchantment and begin preparing Shield All just in case.

Thief: I pull my Hood of Hiding over my head, scuttle up to the weird box and check for traps.

Fighter: I pull my battle-axe out and charge at the box, I'm going to smash it wide open.

Space Marine: Who are you idiots? How did I get mixed in with you? And what are you trying to do to that tank?



That is quite a car park you've acquired there shaso

vik, that is a great find. Now I just need to find a willing victim who has trouble walking....

er...monkey... i think you have lots of poor grots and orks in several different kinds of disablement to use that one^^

Yeah...but they'd be a bit small for that one though wouldn't they?


Hmm, shasho, did you say something about your legs not being like they used to? Step into my surjar...err, office a moment. I think I might be able to help you....

LMAO dood, you totally need the gas-powered tank-tread wheelbarrow! LOL
But alas, it needs more rivets.

definatly... you wouldn´t get away with that bare thingummy that way^^

Oh the rivet-mania would be applied all over that baby!
LOL! Monkey you are so cheeky!

So, more pics will be coming once the decals are on the second turret and the lighter tanks and cars.

check!^^

So, here I have the turrets looking similar in camo patterns, but I can assure they are not the same!
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And yes, my mind played an interesting trick with the camo patterns as you all can see when the vehicles sit next to each other.

kind of mirrored the camo it seems^^

and we want ´em squiggly lines...and we want them quiqqly too^^

Well, I also had to pay attention to the zippy combat cars as well. having to re-work the lights, soon to be muddied up!
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oh yeah... i see many tracks needing muddied up...

some smaller touchups are needed for these new shiny lights and sensors tho... but the colorchoice...very bright and crisp looking!

I add the lighter colors in the center, so there will be the Ice Blue on the lights and scorpion green on the green sensors as blood red and pink for the red sensors.

you could even if your own vison enables you, make a tiny spot of pure white in the centre... but i have to tell you...me i am not able to do so atm... my hands are not that steady atm...

Now worries, I have been actually considering it before you mentioned it! ^^

^^ i either lack the steady hands, the enough watered down paint ot the fine enough brushes for that stuff...^^

Secret: Toothpicks!

yeah...that might work...good call...

Well, the squiggles are in place!
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wow... you must have been working like a madman...

quite the amount of work done...

also...! wow i really like your sensors and lenses... very bright! and i see the white dot is added^^


by the way... since some time has now passed... how is worklife treating you? hope only good...

Helo squiggles


(It's almost a waving hand )


Lamps look pretty effective like that.

Is it true that if we were to place the vehicles together in just the right conjunction we'd see a map pinpointing the location of the fabled Golden Rivetgun?

GROUPSHOT!!!!!

Vik quite the bit of work! and all of the Lenzabi-OC models would need assembly for that Monkeytroll, and I have some boxed as i am still planning on travels. Gotta keep the Golden Rivet Gun(GRG) safe! can't let it fall into the wrong hands!

and the right hands of course are ours...the riveteers^^

Hence no showing them all at the same time in the correct arrangement

lol^^

I almost done with decal work just the cars left and the crossfire

Okay, I still need to do the Geckos with their decals. But for now, I give you the ARV
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it always amazes me how you are able to create random patterns with your camo and yet make mirrored variants to the other "twin" of your tanks...

and all look very crisp and smart!

tho i detected some minor touchup needing points on the ARV...specially the winch... or will this also be covered in mud? ...the winch i think needs to be oily and mud free... otherwise i fear for their usability!

There will be touch ups at the winch, and oily effects as well.

Uploading new pics

cool^^

Okay, now I have some fresh pics of the smaller fast combat cars, the Gecko-P/U and even the massive T-350!

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the big numbers on the doors look rather good!

Oh no worries, the off color stripes will be put on to represent shiny. Yeah, Leman Russ sized numbers on those little attack cars! very 1930's to early '40's-esque!

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Yeah, Leman Russ sized numbers on those little attack cars! very 1930's to early '40's-esque!

yep it gave me a feeling of old school too... +1 for classic aproach on camo tanks^^

that gecko is still very early in wip...the gunner hasn´t been done for real? will he get a more footslogger setting or more tank crew related?

More touch ups for the gecko, and the uniform is base of Adeptus battlke-gray as my new vehicle crew uniform, but as he is exposed, he get's more armor carapace for protection, I may have to do the same for another Gecko later on with a Missile Launcher I have in mind for the 2nd Gecko.

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That fist also symbolizes the resolve of the Khadrovian Tank forces to always move to attack and win!

Vorwarts immer...Rückwärts nimmer!^^

there seems to be a bump in the left side...near the barrel of the extra fuel...

and i had the same thought about a bit more carpaced gunner...

Viktor von Domm wrote:Vorwarts immer...Rückwärts nimmer!^^

there seems to be a bump in the left side...near the barrel of the extra fuel...

and i had the same thought about a bit more carpaced gunner...

The "True-Blue 52" has seen action before.

Yeah, gotta keep the fighting spirit up in the troops.

Yeah, always forwards, never backwards, Old "Blood n Guts" Patton was an inspiration, and I have been watching more, and apparently Zhukov was somewhat similar minded.

well...i guess all those "successful" generals... they have to have a certain kind of mindset...

ah... action proof `course^^

Viktor von Domm wrote:well...i guess all those "successful" generals... they have to have a certain kind of mindset...

ah... action proof `course^^

Hey it did help them drive their men and tanks forwards!

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Look like some armor we have seen? Great coat and all?

is that from stalker or from FO3?

and yep, that is a fine looking armor variant...could look good on your guys^^

and i second for an article...to sum up all your vehiclepark...

Fallout: New Vegas,,,California Republic Rangers

I am happily fielding GC troopers with Gas masks! ^^

Okay, later on I shall make the first installment, the Lemans in service, then the Superheavies, then the speedier ones, and then the light vehicles and APC's!

oh i do know of yours!

and yep...thought so^^

So, gotta start with the Lumbering Behemoths of the family!

New stuff in the fiction section.

Now got some quick work done to add streaks for the windows, so now I have pics to post as an update.

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nice! looking very comicesque^^

Viktor von Domm wrote:nice! looking very comicesque^^

Yep, comic book style window streaks, soon to be splashed with loads of "mud", and to make a windshield washer pattern in the window mud!

Viktor von Domm wrote:

We aim to please!

well delivering new pics of the promised muddy windshields would be a good start^^

Viktor von Domm wrote:well delivering new pics of the promised muddy windshields would be a good start^^

Got a class paper to do for handing in today, but I will get working on it this week.

oh... i see priority work... can´t argue with that...!

good work to you mate...!

Viktor von Domm wrote:oh... i see priority work... can´t argue with that...!

good work to you mate...!

Thanks! I am trying to get that second degree, I already have the associates now cor the Bachelor's

will this one day bring bigger paychecks or do you do that just for your self esteem? i could understand both...

Both!

LOL... so it will be later on a double win so to speak...truly epic^^

My Bachelor's still hasn't brought me one new dime sadly...

Damn Shas, you are a machine man!

er...i just found that after someone pointed me to a link for an ebay seller...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Iron-Tehnolord-Hammer-Hands-/251010320617?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a716188e9

i think you should take a look shas...you might find a use for that^^

dsteingass wrote:My Bachelor's still hasn't brought me one new dime sadly...

Damn Shas, you are a machine man!

I intend to go into voice working or radio/broadcasting so no one can see me, just hear me LOL

Hehehe, hence my standing in the League makes perfect sense!

Viktor von Domm wrote:er...i just found that after someone pointed me to a link for an ebay seller...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Iron-Tehnolord-Hammer-Hands-/251010320617?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a716188e9

i think you should take a look shas...you might find a use for that^^

I shall look at it now!



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Oh Vik! what have you done? I saw that mini, minor flash issues, but oh how fitting he would look, especially if I made the eagle head hammer look dragon headed.

well... all in days work^^

i had you imidiatly in my mind when looking at that mini... could be all, admech techpriest, techmarine...heck he could stand in as a cool looking inq too...

by the way... that chap has the robogear stuff too... very cheap walker you might want to consider for your army....i am eyeing them atm^^

Hmmm, did it link from that Techmarine?



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Link or it never was!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Condor-Assault-Flyer-/251000104351?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a70c5a59f


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Spider-walking-tank-/250976093884?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a6f5746bc


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/T-Rex-heavy-assault-warwalker-/250976094031?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a6f57474f

All win!

yep...thats waht i thought too... and look at these prices... all detailed but at a fourth or even less price than GW stuff...

Yeah! nice stuff to get a hold of!

one day^^

And at such low prices as to make them awesome in that right.

yep... i am thinking way to heavy about how to break that down for the missus...^^

LOL! You just got here to let up and allow you to get FO-3

see....?! that what i was talking about^^ ...no fat chance anytime soon for such a suply drop to happen^^

Sorry Vik, looks like you already used up that one wish from the wifey

hmm.... well i try to make use of that one wish for as long as can be then^^

Viktor von Domm wrote:hmm.... well i try to make use of that one wish for as long as can be then^^

Ah, the lawyeristic method of addendums, and codiciles.

Make her favorite dinner, then drop the bomb

dsteingass wrote:Make her favorite dinner, then drop the bomb

Ah, Dave has some experience in buttering up the boss see?

Food and/or liquor
...Man's best friend!

Maslow's Theory- it's TRUE

ONLY when man (and woman's) base needs are met, will they focus on other higher goals, such as intellectual or toy soldier pursuits

well...favorite food only works if you are not by default the cook... no special thing if i cook anything...even her favorite... as for liquor...we have next to no booze at home...and she doesn´t like the taste of it...flowers...now these might work... but i didn´t use this today...even if it was worlds women day...i didn´t feel up for getting flowers today... felt fishy...

Eeeew fishy.

I think Vik meant that suspicious feel of fishy, as if the wifey would suspect he was doing a butter up.. Now a good foot massage may do the trick, women seem to love that.

well... i think shaso might be the angel my marriage might need some day... actually i have met many women...(not so much as i would have liked premarriage^^ mind you^^) that loved this... and me... the grunt that i am don´t use this awsome methode way too seldom...

and yep... shaso you are right... i felt fishy for using this as a butterup means... not subtle enough for me...

but the foot massage... that should work...even if it might be too seethrough from the start^^

At least it will make her mood happier if done right!

that for sure^^ and life is always a bit better ans more smooth if the wife is happier...^^ fact of life!