Metal miniatures? I know for certain I'm not going to buy that. Since they are released on kickstarter, they'll only be available for a limited time? And you will have to wait x months before you receive the models? No thanks. Really nice sculpts though!
Baxx wrote: Since they are released on kickstarter, they'll only be available for a limited time?
Nope. Greebo have all their previous kickstarter teams up for sale. they use the platform as originally intended, to get product ready for long term sale
Baxx wrote: Since they are released on kickstarter, they'll only be available for a limited time?
Nope. Greebo have all their previous kickstarter teams up for sale. they use the platform as originally intended, to get product ready for long term sale
Ahh that sounds really good. Not a fan of limited time products.
Groundh0g wrote: Best thing is there should be 4 chaos warriors in the box (2 per sprue). Similar to Dwarves you really just need to pick up a beastman or two, depending on if you like to run a minotaur.
I think there was only 3 warriors shown in the video, and in the display case at GAMA. This has me worried cause I would hope for 4 unique warrior sculpts, seeing as every chaos player tends to always run four, the maximum allowable. It would be dumb as all hell if you had to buy two kits just so you have four chaos warriors (and now with 2 duplicate models) with the same aesthetic. Hopefully the kit does have 4 warriors and they just lost or misplaced one while shipping the painted ones to the event...
It wouldn't be the end of the world if I had to get two of the kit, cause of mutations. Chances of this team getting their own dice and a chaos pitch is also likely. When the Skaven were shown off both they and the dwarfs had basing to match their accompanying pitch. So these look like they may have been based to match a chaos pitch, otherwise they would be on the standard green grass style.
I could see them only doing 3 CW, and expecting that you’d convert your own 4 figure based on the God you worship. Also a second box would be good just for conversion fodder.
I think I'll wait for cheaper plastic though, outside of a minotaur and two warriors I sculpted and and converted a Chaos team years ago that I abondoned.
Messiah wrote: These are probably the worst Chaos Warrior minis Ive ever seen (hyperbole I know, but not too far off).
They may not be good Chaos warriors, but they make pretty good Chaos football players. I'm glad these new teams are focusing on the sports player look for all the models, rather than just making them look like WFB models with no weapons, like 3rd edition did.
No. They make fairly ok football players, but they have hardly no design aesthetic tying them to Chaos.
Messiah wrote: These are probably the worst Chaos Warrior minis Ive ever seen (hyperbole I know, but not too far off).
They may not be good Chaos warriors, but they make pretty good Chaos football players. I'm glad these new teams are focusing on the sports player look for all the models, rather than just making them look like WFB models with no weapons, like 3rd edition did.
No. They make fairly ok football players, but they have hardly no design aesthetic tying them to Chaos.
They are great if you want an unaligned team. If you want Khorne, then grab some Khorne AOS guys and chop some (only some) weapons off. If you want Nurgle, then wait for the Rotters. If you want Tzeentch then use some of them, really they are fine for basic unaligned chaos warriors with no traits. It makes them feel more like new converts than hundred year old veterans with no skills.
Messiah wrote: These are probably the worst Chaos Warrior minis Ive ever seen (hyperbole I know, but not too far off).
They may not be good Chaos warriors, but they make pretty good Chaos football players. I'm glad these new teams are focusing on the sports player look for all the models, rather than just making them look like WFB models with no weapons, like 3rd edition did.
No. They make fairly ok football players, but they have hardly no design aesthetic tying them to Chaos.
Yeah, this is definitely my problem with the Chaos Warriors. The models are fine for large fantasy football players, but they have very few elements of the Chaos aesthetic. I think if the models were exactly the same, except had a chaos helmet, or even a weird chaos visor they would look a lot more appropriate.
I rather like them. Puts me in mind of the All Blacks doing the haka. And I do like the idea of putting out a small expansion booklet dedicated to each new team, hopefully with new ball and star player rules. I just wish FW had kept up with releasing star players already started out,or even finish the goblin special positions.
Three warriors would be odd, as that would suggest asymmetrical sprues in the box. I find that unlikely. It will be 2 or 4. There will only be 12 players in the box, so I imagine it will likely be two.
Which is fine, as almost every single team has required two boxes to fill out a roster up to this point, so that particular criticism, at this stage, is beginning to look tired and old.
Considering the relative cost of the box, being what might be considered a grognard, I welcome the possibility of filling out a roster (with spares!) for LESS THAN the cost of 11 metal miniatures in times of old (you know, 1996+ under the third edition boxes (which in the Chaos box only came with three chaos warriors!)).
As for the overall look, they were never going to appeal to everyone, but these figures actually look (unlike the old 3rd edition miniatures) like they're kitted out for sport rather than fantasy miniatures with weapons snipped off. I like them.
Dysartes wrote: I wonder what the Chaos balls will look like.
Given how little armour the warriors have, you can almost see that already
I don't mind the idea that they are made to look like an actual sports team (I've loved every team and the Beastmen here) but I'm not a huge fan of these warriors. Think I'll stick to my metal 3rd party sculpts for Chaos.
I suspect these guys are rather plain so that any mutants (whole models or upgrade sets) they do stand out more. Likewise if we see upgrade sets for specific teams or god-specific players.
Dysartes wrote: I wonder what the Chaos balls will look like.
The generic Spikey ball is really suited for chaos. I wish Nurgle get a nurgling ball with foul appearance!
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ekwatts wrote: Three warriors would be odd, as that would suggest asymmetrical sprues in the box. I find that unlikely. It will be 2 or 4. There will only be 12 players in the box, so I imagine it will likely be two.
Which is fine, as almost every single team has required two boxes to fill out a roster up to this point, so that particular criticism, at this stage, is beginning to look tired and old.
Considering the relative cost of the box, being what might be considered a grognard, I welcome the possibility of filling out a roster (with spares!) for LESS THAN the cost of 11 metal miniatures in times of old (you know, 1996+ under the third edition boxes (which in the Chaos box only came with three chaos warriors!)).
As for the overall look, they were never going to appeal to everyone, but these figures actually look (unlike the old 3rd edition miniatures) like they're kitted out for sport rather than fantasy miniatures with weapons snipped off. I like them.
I think it's a pity they didn't continue with the booster packs. Skaven was so great, humans are still pending, no sign of gobbos or orcs... Are there any good examples of converted blitzers/catchers/black orcs to get varied poses? I got 2 human teams and 2 orc teams, a goblin team and pro elf team still incomplete :(
The booster packs are a fine idea but when they're going to cost the same as the box sets for a third of the number of figures, for poses and details that are only slightly different (because the positionals still need to be in roughly the same pose as their plastic positional iterations) they seem a luxury that might end up taking designer and sculptor time away from newer projects like more conversion kits or star players.
I want new stuff. Not tiny figure packs with tiny variations on poses for figures that already exist.
I would say one of the poses of the gutter runners is drastically different between the resin and plastic.
The price don't bother me at all, I'm happy to pay the price just to complete the team. It is much worse having 4 mono pose for your most important players.
Can I say “finally!”?
But yeah new Positionals for human teams and a second troll sculpt are all good things.
Just need the “official” Gobbo doom diver, pogoer, and ‘ooligan minis and *sigh* the extra orcs too, I guess.
I think not. Seems like ForgeWorld have enforced some rule of variety that they MUST include alternate poses for all positions instead of filling out the team.
zamerion wrote: Has anyone seen the twitch of blood bowl? Any interesting information?
Thanks!
4 teams coming this year. Each will come along with an issue of the new magazine/ journal themed around that team Each issue will include rules, a comic strip drawn by Paul Nifton, tactics articles, agony Uncle etc. The journal will be £8. 3 have already been written and they are doing the fourth now.
The new team will be up for preorder next weekend (don't think Andy was supposed to say that).
zamerion wrote: Has anyone seen the twitch of blood bowl? Any interesting information?
Thanks!
4 teams coming this year. Each will come along with an issue of the new magazine/ journal themed around that team Each issue will include rules, a comic strip drawn by Paul Nifton, tactics articles, agony Uncle etc. The journal will be £8. 3 have already been written and they are doing the fourth now.
The new team will be up for preorder next weekend (don't think Andy was supposed to say that).
See now, if the Specialist Games guys want to do a dripfeed release style, doing it as 8 quid magazines not pretending to be anything more than that is much more palatable than what they've been trying with Necromunda.
zamerion wrote: Has anyone seen the twitch of blood bowl? Any interesting information?
Thanks!
4 teams coming this year. Each will come along with an issue of the new magazine/ journal themed around that team Each issue will include rules, a comic strip drawn by Paul Nifton, tactics articles, agony Uncle etc. The journal will be £8. 3 have already been written and they are doing the fourth now.
The new team will be up for preorder next weekend (don't think Andy was supposed to say that).
See now, if the Specialist Games guys want to do a dripfeed release style, doing it as 8 quid magazines not pretending to be anything more than that is much more palatable than what they've been trying with Necromunda.
Yeah, and they are specifically for new teams/star players etc. So unless you're collecting that team, you can kind of pass on it. Whereas with Necromunda it kind of feels like you need to keep up with the books, which may have updated weapon profiles, etc. The rules for BB are also already set in stone and easy to figure out, whereas Necromunda it's kind of a scatter brained mess. They can remedy that to some degree down the line by releasing a complation rulebook. But as of right now i'd say BB is in a much better place than Necromunda.
I'm really excited to see what the other 3 next teams are, and the chaos pitch looks pretty cool.
The roster has not changed. It’s not their intent to make changes to their rosters, but they may add the odd positional here or there, e.g., Goblins.
The Chaos team will have access to 10 star players.
They plan on expanding the amount of star players available to each team to 10 to allow GW to produce more models, make sure teams have access to players at all price ranges, etc.
CHAOS STAR PLAYERS
Scyla Anfingrimm - New Star Player. Daemonic creature from the Warhammer universe that accidentally ended up in the Blood Bowl universe and decided to play Blood Bowl.
Lord Borak the Despoiler - Returning Star Player. Will also have a feature in SPIKE! where he answers fake questions. That feature will continue in other SPIKE!s
Gobbler Grimlich - New Frog-Mutant Star Player. Will have big hands, disturbing presence, leap, loner, very long legs, regeneration, monstrous mouth.
Grashnak Blackhoof - Returning Star Player
Lewdgrip Whiparm - Returning Star Player
Bilerot Vomitflesh - New Star Player based on an old star player. Can also play for the Nurgle team. Dirty Player, Disturbing Presence, Foul Appearance. Strength 5
Withergrasp Doubledrool - New Star Player based on an old star player. Tentacles, Prehensile Tail, Tackle, Two Heads. Wrestle. MA6.
Max Spleenripper - Returning Star Player
INDUCEMENTS
Reintroducing the wizard inducement as the hireling sports-wizard. Costs 150k. Has two spells: the classic fireball and the ability to turn a player into a frog. If a coach rolls over the target player's strength or a natural 6, they'll turn the target player into a frog.
Frog Stats: MA5 ST1 AG4 AV4 - Dodge, Leap, No Hands, Stunty, Titchy, Very Long Legs
Chaos Sorcerer inducement. Available to Chaos Chosen, Chaos Renegades, Nurgle, and Chaos Dwarves. Has a thunderbolt skill and rampant mutation skill. Thunderbolt is essentially the lighting bolt skill, but works on a 3+ instead of a 2+. Rampant mutation allows you to give any player on your team two mutations until the end of a drive.
Plan to have more specialized wizards for other races in future SPIKE! Journals.
One of the new special play cards allow you to turn a player into a Chaos Spawn.
PITCH, DICE, etc.
Like all themed pitches, there’s a normal side and a side with special rules. Themed pitch looks like a Chaos temple.
Special side ‘glows with chaotic energy’. Special rules will revolve around the pitch being activated in the second half by blood spilled in the first half.
Chaos Renegades dice will be released alongside the Chaos Chosen pitch.
Andy wants to make a pitch where one side is Chaos Renegades and the other side is Underworld.
Special Play Cards will be themed to fit the featured theme, but useable by all teams.
MISC
The Blood Bowl team has expanded with a new writer and more sculptors. Team started as two and is now up to seven.
Still plan to do 4 teams a year.
Plastic figures take a long time to make. A single frame of six models takes a designer 20 weeks to sculpt. Want to make as much stuff in plastic as possible.
Once they get through the existing teams, want to make new teams. Would love to introduce a Khorne team, a Tzeentch team, a Slaanesh, a Daemon team, Snotling team, etc.
Funny.
In Sweden ”Doom Lords” are birds, Pyrrhula pyrrhula.
Features in the awesome song Doomlord by Swedish band Dream Evil, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fanAE6m5qtE
Man... I was excited about Doomlords, until I saw (and backed) the amazing Greebo Kickstarter. Functionally the same team, but massively better looking with a fractional mark-up? Yes please.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: Man... I was excited about Doomlords, until I saw (and backed) the amazing Greebo Kickstarter. Functionally the same team, but massively better looking with a fractional mark-up? Yes please.
Fractional? Aren't most metal teams from companies like Greebo upwards of £50 or more? I like their figures (I have a few) but GW are killing it with the plastics at the price point they come in at.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: Man... I was excited about Doomlords, until I saw (and backed) the amazing Greebo Kickstarter. Functionally the same team, but massively better looking with a fractional mark-up? Yes please.
Fractional? Aren't most metal teams from companies like Greebo upwards of £50 or more? I like their figures (I have a few) but GW are killing it with the plastics at the price point they come in at.
I agree totally on the price point; the quality of the plastics they can put out is pretty stunning (though if you go for a full team you need to factor in the Mino). The Beastmen are pretty similar for both so the plastics win out here.
The Chosen probably depend on taste. Personally I much prefer the Greebo style for these so I may have to look into just getting 4 of those as an add on (and nothing else...).
Greebo's teams are 50-60pounds, but they come with all their conceivable options and a "big guy". During the KS you're also getting a handful of free star players too.
With GWs current releases you're buying two teams and a blister... already making a pricier choice.
Speaking of ForgeWorld... I just checked, and it's been nearly an entire year since the Goblins came out. Anyone have any news on what's taking so long with the rest of the positionals? I've been wanting to field a full team of them with official minis for... well, a year, I guess... and we still don't have the Goblin Doom Diver, Pogoer, and 'Ooligan.
Zetan wrote: Speaking of ForgeWorld... I just checked, and it's been nearly an entire year since the Goblins came out. Anyone have any news on what's taking so long with the rest of the positionals? I've been wanting to field a full team of them with official minis for... well, a year, I guess... and we still don't have the Goblin Doom Diver, Pogoer, and 'Ooligan.
FW is too busy creating a 7th edition ruleset for Horus Heresy and then promptly retiring the models for key units in their HH armies as part of their promotion strategy.
Zetan wrote: Speaking of ForgeWorld... I just checked, and it's been nearly an entire year since the Goblins came out. Anyone have any news on what's taking so long with the rest of the positionals? I've been wanting to field a full team of them with official minis for... well, a year, I guess... and we still don't have the Goblin Doom Diver, Pogoer, and 'Ooligan.
FW is too busy creating a 7th edition ruleset for Horus Heresy and then promptly retiring the models for key units in their HH armies as part of their promotion strategy.
Zetan wrote: Speaking of ForgeWorld... I just checked, and it's been nearly an entire year since the Goblins came out. Anyone have any news on what's taking so long with the rest of the positionals? I've been wanting to field a full team of them with official minis for... well, a year, I guess... and we still don't have the Goblin Doom Diver, Pogoer, and 'Ooligan.
FW is too busy creating a 7th edition ruleset for Horus Heresy and then promptly retiring the models for key units in their HH armies as part of their promotion strategy.
Has anyone else had the chance to get the new Spike! Journal and Chaos Team?
I'm putting together the minis now and they seem pretty well done. The Chaos Blockers are getting their should blades chopped off, and I'll attach some Chaos Marine spikes as replacements. The beastmen are pretty dynamic in their poses.
The Spike! Journal is a real treat. It's got some pretty good articles, split between actual help and "in-universe" fluff pieces (like gossip about a hidden triste between Zara the Slayer and Lord Borak).
There's a decent tactics article about starting a Chaos team in a league, and how to build different types of players (killers, blockers, ball carriers, sackers). It also lists all the Star Players Chaos teams can take, and I like the idea of team-specific wizards. They've even got a section about tournament team composition. It's not exactly new (you can find the advice on any Blood Bowl tactics article on the internet), but it's nice to include.
The only miss is the 3-page comic in the back. The art's pretty muddy, and the story is either nonsensical or just hard to follow.
Here's hoping that the previously released teams (Humans, Orcs, Dwarves, Skaven, Elven Union, Goblins, Underworld, Renegades) get their own Spike! Journals. I think it'd be a smart move to make Spike! Journals for these teams in the off month in between plastic team releases, so you'd get a new content every couple months.
infinite_array wrote: H
The only miss is the 3-page comic in the back. The art's pretty muddy, and the story is either nonsensical or just hard to follow.
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I don't think that it's possible for me to disagree with you more.
That's Pete Knifton's work. That man, for many of us growing up was the visionary of Blood Bowl and Dark Future. Do a google search of his works, he's spanned GW games art since Rogue Trader and Chainsaw Warrior, worked for Marvel, 2000AD, Fighting Fantasy, amongst many others.
I LOVE that artwork.
His pictures have inspired me for over 30 years as a gamer. I can't get enough of that black ink style.
Yeah, Spike! Magazine issue 1 is great but I think I’m gonna grab the electronic version from now on. Quite apart from being cheaper, I don’t need yet another periodical cluttering up the place.
As for the comic, agree that the art is great. Also agree that the story is… not so great.
Also, on the topic of wizards, is it me or is the lightning bolt just straight up worse than the traditional fireball? 3+ to knock down one guy vs 4+ each to knock down up to nine guys?
Anyone else pick up the new team cards? The generic special plays in there are actually quite handy.
Averagely yes. But it could be situational. If you're up against a loose cage of 3 line rats and a gutter runner holding the ball, you often just want to hit that gutter runner and ignore the rest. Or sending lightning on a line rat to open up a blitz lane to that whimpy ball carrier.
By chance is there any mention of Blitz Bowl in the new Spike magazine? I'm really looking forward to it, but I don't think we've heard anything since late February.
Sabotage! wrote: By chance is there any mention of Blitz Bowl in the new Spike magazine? I'm really looking forward to it, but I don't think we've heard anything since late February.
Not that I saw...
But I am *really* hoping that one Spike issue will contain Dungeonbowl rules (using Silver Tower / Hammerhal tiles), which could tie-in with Blitz Bowl which looks like it has some sight/pass-blocking statues on the smaller pitch.
Hells, I'd quite like to see the app dedicated teams (human nobles, savage orcs, clan pesitlens, and dwarf slayers) feature in a printed issue as well).
Zetan wrote: Speaking of ForgeWorld... I just checked, and it's been nearly an entire year since the Goblins came out. Anyone have any news on what's taking so long with the rest of the positionals? I've been wanting to field a full team of them with official minis for... well, a year, I guess... and we still don't have the Goblin Doom Diver, Pogoer, and 'Ooligan.
FW is too busy creating a 7th edition ruleset for Horus Heresy and then promptly retiring the models for key units in their HH armies as part of their promotion strategy.
Is that what happened or are you just bitching?
Seems in his mind OPTIONAL upgrades for low-key sale models(why pay about 100£ for 20 guys without weapons when for 10£ less you can get 30 with weapons and plenty spare bits, 2 HQ and dreadnought. When there was no plastics those could sell because it was just case of which look you prefer but that price difference is HUGE). are key units.
Makes about as much sense as if FW would be retiring upgrade bits of upgrade bits of blood bowl coach models.
Sabotage! wrote: By chance is there any mention of Blitz Bowl in the new Spike magazine? I'm really looking forward to it, but I don't think we've heard anything since late February.
Not that I saw...
But I am *really* hoping that one Spike issue will contain Dungeonbowl rules (using Silver Tower / Hammerhal tiles), which could tie-in with Blitz Bowl which looks like it has some sight/pass-blocking statues on the smaller pitch.
Hells, I'd quite like to see the app dedicated teams (human nobles, savage orcs, clan pesitlens, and dwarf slayers) feature in a printed issue as well).
Ah bummer, thanks for looking! I would also like to seem Dungeonbowl make a return.
Is the 4 chosen/1 minotaur/6 beastmen starting roster for the doom lords not awful, or is the lack of rerolls going to bury the team? Im debting it, since i originally got a minotaur fir a chaos renegades team.
That might well be a resin conversion kit to make wood elf positionals since the main plastic kit is pretty ambiguous as to the faction of the elves. Except probably not dark elves, mostly due to lack of spikes.
Crazyterran wrote: Is the 4 chosen/1 minotaur/6 beastmen starting roster for the doom lords not awful, or is the lack of rerolls going to bury the team? Im debting it, since i originally got a minotaur fir a chaos renegades team.
It's a bad team. Chaos doesn't start with any ball handling or defensive skills, so you need the rerolls. Plus they double in cost after team creation, so 60k rerolls suddenly become 120k, compared to the 150k of buying a Minotaur.
Chaos doesn't need to the Mino at the start to begin with, since they've got pretty good access to STR4 (4 Chaos Blockers and a blitzing Beastman). Get the three rerolls to start, and pick up the Mino after you've accrued some gold.
So, uh, what happened to the Doom Lords chaos pitch?
My White Dwarf says that it was to go on preorder/sale at the same time as the chaos chosen team/dice/cards.
Hopefully It's a new Star Player and not a new Wood Elf team. I'd be pretty bummed if we got another elf team before any variety of undead or something unique like Lizardmen. They are supposed to put out three more teams this year though, so who knows.
Sabotage! wrote: Hopefully It's a new Star Player and not a new Wood Elf team. I'd be pretty bummed if we got another elf team before any variety of undead or something unique like Lizardmen. They are supposed to put out three more teams this year though, so who knows.
Mr_Rose wrote: So, uh, what happened to the Doom Lords chaos pitch?
My White Dwarf says that it was to go on preorder/sale at the same time as the chaos chosen team/dice/cards.
It got delayed cause the pitches are manufactured by another company, basically outsourced. I heard it might release in june/july.
If we have 3 teams left this year, i'd be okay with nurgle, lizardmen, some form of undead, halflings maybe. They seem to be doing the easier teams to sculpt first. Or the teams where it's easier to fit everything they need onto one sprue. For that reason I think norse/amazons are somewhat likely cause you can fit them all onto one sprue easily the main difference in positionals is mostly headgear and minor armor changes.
If we have 3 teams left this year, i'd be okay with nurgle, lizardmen, some form of undead, halflings maybe. They seem to be doing the easier teams to sculpt first. Or the teams where it's easier to fit everything they need onto one sprue. For that reason I think norse/amazons are somewhat likely cause you can fit them all onto one sprue easily the main difference in positionals is mostly headgear and minor armor changes.
Nurgle, Lizardman and some flavor of Undead would be nice. Especially because if they could get away a generic Undead kit with Zombies, Wights, and Ghouls, and then release the positionals for Shambling Undead and Necromantic in blisters. If you did them by individual boxes, you could probably pull off a Shambling kit with 2 zombies, a skeleton, a ghoul, a wight, and a mummy on the sprue (or drop the skeleton and do 2 ghouls). Necromantic wouldn't be too tough with 2 zombies, a ghoul, a wight, a werewolf, and a flesh golem on each sprue. I think you are probably right about norse/amazons, which is unfortunate in my opinion, as they are just variant humans.
Crazyterran wrote: Is the 4 chosen/1 minotaur/6 beastmen starting roster for the doom lords not awful, or is the lack of rerolls going to bury the team? Im debting it, since i originally got a minotaur fir a chaos renegades team.
You should have at least two rerolls with that team. I would personally take three rerolls, leave the minotaur out and also only take two or three chaos warriors at the start. In addition, an apothecary is also a must have requirement.
But if you are only playing single matches then the starting roster is good enough for some bashing.
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reds8n wrote: Dark Elf Team and pitch ,
Resin Star Players Eldril Sidewinder, Roxanna Darknail and Dark Elf Assassins. 12 player Dark Elf team.
These Dark Elves wear retro helmets from 1989. That´s an automatic sale. I need the pitch, the dice, the Star Players and of course the team.
The one thing that´s not so great is the new Witch Elf hair. I would have much preferred the 80s hair style but that is only a minor issue.
Even all the different cheerleaders look great. Special mention goes to the female orcs:
If the opposing orc players won´t cause any problems for you, then their cheerleaders will surely give you a hard time.
Yes, someone was very creative with the pitch. Who would have expected a freaking tentacle on the field? Good stuff.
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reds8n wrote: ...the universe is in a good mood today :
Don´t tell me team boosters are on their way? Jesus, what a day! First the retro Dark Elves, then the awesome cheerleaders and now even unexpected team boosters. Please, no more terrific news for today or I might die from excitement.
Yes, someone was very creative with the pitch. Who would have expected a freaking tentacle on the field? Good stuff.
You know there was mention about tentac(k)le on a field before (heard it from some great Swedish blood bowl players): a team consisting of ten dwarf blockers and a deathroller...
Yes, someone was very creative with the pitch. Who would have expected a freaking tentacle on the field? Good stuff.
You know there was mention about tentac(k)le on a field before (heard it from some great Swedish blood bowl players): a team consisting of ten dwarf blockers and a deathroller...
That´s a good pun.
Here is another one:
From which bookshop do Imperials order books?
Answer: Graff
From which bookshop do Eldar order books?
Answer: Antigraff
Crazyterran wrote: The shipis being attacked by a Kraken mid game, maybe?
Ok, now I want to play a match on a boat under attack where the entire pitch is tilted in a random direction each turn and everything, players, balls etc. gets moved in that direction (D6 minus Strength or something) and they get knocked down on a 1.
Crazyterran wrote: The shipis being attacked by a Kraken mid game, maybe?
Ok, now I want to play a match on a boat under attack where the entire pitch is tilted in a random direction each turn and everything, players, balls etc. gets moved in that direction (D6 minus Strength or something) and they get knocked down on a 1.
Mr_Rose wrote: It’s the deck of a boat. Maybe an outrigger on a Black Ark? Something like that.
it's a before & after kind of thing :
Yes, I saw the before picture earlier. It’s probably like the Chaos pitch; if a certain condition is met by halftime, flip the board and suffer random tentacle attacks for the second half.
One suspects that, given this is a dark elf pitch, the condition might be the home side losing.
Dark Elves were not not I was expecting (and to be fair a little bummed we got more elves before Undead and Lizardmen), that said they really knocked them out of the park. The models are gorgeous and I'll definitely pick up a box, if I had any issue it would be the dark elf blitzer's helmet is a bit silly, but overall great stuff. I'm also excited to see that Human booster getting near, and the cheerleaders look great.
The unexpected DElves are extremely cool, but as a kill team they might be even cooler. The one with the scaled scarf is begging for a pistol and a CCW.
The troll is cool, too. I wish the Rat Ogre had their quality.
PS: Lizardmen with Sauri as bulky as the Carnosaur rider and a TW: WH2 Kroxigor next, please.
Anyone here have a solid idea of which models will be in the dark elf boxed set? No assassins, apparently, but which combination of witch elves/blitzers/runners/linemen is it?
Brother Michael wrote: Anyone here have a solid idea of which models will be in the dark elf boxed set? No assassins, apparently, but which combination of witch elves/blitzers/runners/linemen is it?
I assume it’s double of the 6 shown in the official photo on WarCom.
Brother Michael wrote: Anyone here have a solid idea of which models will be in the dark elf boxed set? No assassins, apparently, but which combination of witch elves/blitzers/runners/linemen is it?
I assume it’s double of the 6 shown in the official photo on WarCom.
So:
2× Witch Elf
2× Blitzer
2× Runner
6× Lineman
Which is exactly 1,000,000gp all in, with no re-rolls etc.
Leaves the expansion pack to include:
2× Assassin
2× Blitzer
Maxing out the positionals.
It seems to me it probably would have been mentioned, but I thought I should ask. Did anyone who attended the seminar hear anything about Blitz Bowl? I'm really curious to see if it's any good, because 40 minute games of Blood Bowl means I could get a whole lot more Blood Bowl in my life.
According to the latest Both Down episode, Pete Knifton's comic was supposed to be colored. If so, I can then understand why it seems muddier, since the colors would have made certain elements stand out. It's why I thought the rest of the art MeanGreenStompa posted looked better, since it's a cleaner style with better defined lines which works in black and white.
Sabotage! wrote: It seems to me it probably would have been mentioned, but I thought I should ask. Did anyone who attended the seminar hear anything about Blitz Bowl? I'm really curious to see if it's any good, because 40 minute games of Blood Bowl means I could get a whole lot more Blood Bowl in my life.
I don't recall hearing anything about it, but it could release in the fall. Might be a filler release or something that releases in november/december before christmas.
I will say though i'll be bummed if the two teams left to be revealed this year don't include a death/undead team...whether it is undead/necromantic/vamps. They really need to pump out at least one undead team soon...for the sake of variety. I know undead teams aren't exactly the hardest to convert, same with nurgle. But they seem to be going with a more sportsy kit look for the armor, not to mention the lack of any suitable plastic models for mummies, and the current zombie kit is really showing it's age.
I don't recall hearing anything about it, but it could release in the fall. Might be a filler release or something that releases in november/december before christmas.
I will say though i'll be bummed if the two teams left to be revealed this year don't include a death/undead team...whether it is undead/necromantic/vamps. They really need to pump out at least one undead team soon...for the sake of variety. I know undead teams aren't exactly the hardest to convert, same with nurgle. But they seem to be going with a more sportsy kit look for the armor, not to mention the lack of any suitable plastic models for mummies, and the current zombie kit is really showing it's age.
Yeah, I haven't heard anything either unfortunately. Late Summer or early Fall would be my best guess. I also second the death team. Undead are my favorite team and not having any representation is a huge bummer, I'm a fairly competent kit-basher, but I had to buy third party models for my Zombies and Mummies, which is a bit of a bummer to me. We really have nothing to convert to a mummy and as you stated, the Zombie kit is very outdated. It's particularly annoying in that we got Pro Elves, before undead of any sort (and to be fair, if it were Wood/Dark/High elves it wouldn't bother me nearly as much). I'm really crossing my fingers we get undead or necromantic and lizardmen as the two remaining teams. It will probably be halfling and ogres though with the way they have prioritized releases though.
Considering they already have an ogre kit and goblins, kind of surprised they haven’t put the team in ‘officially’ like they did for Underworld and Pact.
Crazyterran wrote: Considering they already have an ogre kit and goblins, kind of surprised they haven’t put the team in ‘officially’ like they did for Underworld and Pact.
That's because the Ogres team uses snotlings, not goblins. An Ogre team with 0-16 goblins might make a decent tier 2 team, or would at least elevate Ogres from being the worst team in the game.
I thought they were called something else, not snotlings exclusively. I was just saying Goblin models could handle little guy positions quite well for it.
The Ogre team, when it gets a proper re-do (like how goblins got secret weapon positionals), should get different kinds of Ogre and Gnoblar. Including at least a ‘tyrant’ type that doesn’t have bone’ead.
Or maybe Gnoblars should get a “fast learner” trait, where they gain SPP at double rate to counter the stupidity of regular ogres.
Resin. The team will be 2 Blitzers, 2 Witch Elves, 2 Runners, and six linemen. The booster will be assassins and, I would guess, the other two blitzers.
Ogre and Trolls being plastic are a miracle consider even big release like Necromunda didn't even get any plastic extra like that, unless you also count bulkhead , barricade, or base.
The troll is also pretty cheap for a 2 sprue character.
ForgeWorld could always mess up and give us booster of 1 assassin, 1 blitzer, 1 witch and 1 runner. If they stick to their tradition of having to include one alternative sculpt for each non-line position.
Should probably be added to the first post in the thread, but:
ALL TEAM BOXES ARE PLASTIC.
ANY NON-TEAM BOX RELEASE WILL BE IN RESIN UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED OTHERWISE (ie Ogre and Troll).
It COULD be the case that the Dark Elf assassins might be released in plastic, if GW/FW thought there'd be enough interest to justify such a release, but without any confirmation to the contrary, the assumption should always be that they will be a resin booster release.
the end of the WD talks about BB next month.
So maybe in the 2-3 first weeks of july.
I hope so, only because cawdor would likely release at the same time. The chaos pitch was originally rumored to release in july, so a specialist games release during that month would make sense.
They said Cawdor took a while longer to come out and Dark Elves is "coming soon" so I wouldn't hope to see a Cawdor/GW4 anytime now, at least until Aug/Sep
According to Skitters on Talk Fantasy Football (Posted on June 1 from the previous Warhammer live):
"No release date on Dark Elf stuff ("next few months"). I think i caught a hint that the assassins would be around a month after the box. They were discussed in terms of Dark Elf have assassins whereas other teams have a big guy so from that I think it will be just assassins and not a booster with a couple of blitzers.
*Dark Elf box set will include alternate witch elf hand and an alternate lineman head. "
Which very well could be July. Or it could be Blitz Bowl. I'd be excited for either (or both).
Sabotage! wrote: According to Skitters on Talk Fantasy Football (Posted on June 1 from the previous Warhammer live):
"No release date on Dark Elf stuff ("next few months"). I think i caught a hint that the assassins would be around a month after the box. They were discussed in terms of Dark Elf have assassins whereas other teams have a big guy so from that I think it will be just assassins and not a booster with a couple of blitzers.
*Dark Elf box set will include alternate witch elf hand and an alternate lineman head. "
Which very well could be July. Or it could be Blitz Bowl. I'd be excited for either (or both).
With your permission, i add the other information from that user:
*Doom Lords pitch should be July
*no specific indication of a planned booster for dark elves, though there was general talk of teams getting boosters
*Human booster and alternate troll shown as was Roxanna, Swift twins and Eldril. These will also be next few months.
*There will be an Orc booster - but will be to 2 black orcs, 1 blitzer and 1 thrower...(this sounds like it will be further down the line)
*A Helmut Wolf model is being worked on - sounds like he will be one of the next stars made available
*Sounds like an intention for there to be a BB specific Scyla model as Andy noted that the existing model is a little too big for the BB pitch
*a Gobbler Grimlich is being worked on as it caught the imagination of one of the sculptors (I didn't catch the name)
*There was some alternate minatour artwork that may be used for a Grashnak model
*In general it felt like an intention to get models out for most, if not all, of the star players...though it did feel as if the process was more sculptor being inspired and asking to take on a model rather than we need this model - design it approach (which to me implies they will be a little scattergun in release order but should hopefully show more creativity)
*Karla was specifically mentioned as being a model that people would like to see. There was a brief talk of her being a strong female character so it makes me wonder if it may be a direction for some future new star players.
*The intention is to get to 10 star players for each team *but* that is not a hard cap and it may be in time some teams may have more added (though it came across as if some teams may have 10, others may have 11 or at a stretch 12 rather than bigger discrepencies)
*recruitment still on-going for the specialist team
It's not even just off the meta, you can have 2 throwers but 4 Blitzers - buying a box and a booster will give you 3 of each instead of the actual values you can take.
Vorian wrote: It's not even just off the meta, you can have 2 throwers but 4 Blitzers - buying a box and a booster will give you 3 of each instead of the actual values you can take.
Just a silly choice.
I see where you're coming from, but I don't think it's a silly choice. As well as variety making the game look nicer, Blood Bowl's one of those games where distinguishing figures is important. A variant blitzer might be more obviously useful, but I'm glad they're not just focussing on optimisation. Having a good model available is often the excuse I need to try something for the sake of it – vive la difference!
Sure, so now you have 3 figures and two different ones for something that's max 2 possible, maybe a few people will take one for fun and the majority of people will take none of
While there are 3 figures and two different ones for something that's max 4 possible and 99.9% of players will take 4 of.
It's silly, there's just no getting round it! You can revel in the silliness of it, but it doesn't make sense on any level
Vorian wrote: It's not even just off the meta, you can have 2 throwers but 4 Blitzers - buying a box and a booster will give you 3 of each instead of the actual values you can take. Just a silly choice.
I see where you're coming from, but I don't think it's a silly choice. As well as variety making the game look nicer, Blood Bowl's one of those games where distinguishing figures is important. A variant blitzer might be more obviously useful, but I'm glad they're not just focussing on optimisation. Having a good model available is often the excuse I need to try something for the sake of it – vive la difference!
Except it makes more sense to have three sculpts for a positional that you're always going to want four of (and will probably have different skills on, maybe two Guard, one Mighty Blow, and one Tackle) then to have two sculpts for a positional that you're only going to have one of, if that. There are plenty of players who don't bother taking a Thrower on an Orc team.
Crazyterran wrote: Could always pick up the alternate team Fw sells to get two variant blitzers and black orcs now. Well, sort of variant. :p
Oh I got those 2 teams, all painted up in alternative colours. I'm wondering what the price is going to complete all of this. I'm gonna need a 2nd set of the Orcland raiders (23£) to get the right shoulder/armour parts. Then I'm gonna have to get 2x orc booster, one for the plastic team, one for the resin team. I'm guessing the boosters will cost around 20£ each. Then you can double all that for the bright crusaders. In total, that's gonna be more than 100£ and then there's shipping and customs is gonna go to town with all that money, probably adding 40£ more..
Keep in mind this price tag is in addition to the 4 teams I already have bought.
Interesting. When I assembled my Human, Ork, Dwarf, and Skaven team, they used a tab system like a snaptite model and they went together pretty smoothly. There were a few joins that needed some filing or trimming from how the sprue was connected for a easy fit. However, I was really impressed with how the models went together. When I assembled my Doom Lords, it was a different story. They no longer used the tab/snaptite system and went witha more traditional glue tegether model. Test fitting, trimming, and filing became a bit more important.
It looks like this box is going with the Doom Lord traditional model approach versus the earlier Peg and Slot snaptite style. Were the other Elf models the Traditional or Peg and Slot style?
Elven Union are multi part kit, and is also the most complicated one ever made for Blood Bowl. Arm, Chest plate (with minor work), face, head and Shoulder pad can be mix and match around, creating a wide variety of players.
Whoever made the Elf Union kit probably spent too much time working on it, that's why it keep getting push back from time and time.
Based on the new photos of Blitz Bowl, it appears that the game is more than just Blood Bowl on a smaller scale. The actions are different and the block dice results are slightly different as well. There are Challenge cards and Bonus Play cards which appear to bring in objective-type goals into the game.
As excited as I am about AOS 2.0, my excitement for it is eclipsed by Blitz Bowl. I think this game could be an absolute blast, and I love the different objectives and short play time.
This is obviously random speculation, but wouldn't it be cool if the campaign element of the game worked in a way where you got SPP to distribute among your players by winning, but you got extra based on what objectives you completed? So an objective worth 2 points would give you two extra SPP and so on.
Blitz Bowl seems like a decent way to get quick games in, like BB7s.
If team composition is just 1/2 of a sprue from a box set, I wonder if there are any teams that are definitely better/worst off. And how might it affect teams with 0-1 positionals like secret weapons on the Goblins, or Big Guys from Renegades.
If the game supports anything beyond what comes in the box (remember, Betrayal At Calth, Burning of Prospero and the Dark Eldar game didn't, until they got a WD article), it might not bother with anything that's not in the team box sets. Since it's using a different set of rules, it'll have its own roster requirements anyway.
AndrewGPaul wrote:I don't think Blitz Bowl has a campaign element.
You could probably graft these objective cards into Blood Bowl, though.
Yeah, that's probably likely. Here's hoping it will though! I do suppose it wouldn't be that hard to slip some campaign elements from the main game in though.
AndrewGPaul wrote:If the game supports anything beyond what comes in the box (remember, Betrayal At Calth, Burning of Prospero and the Dark Eldar game didn't, until they got a WD article), it might not bother with anything that's not in the team box sets. Since it's using a different set of rules, it'll have its own roster requirements anyway.
It looks like there will be at least some support outside of the box, how much I think could vary wildly. The first picture shown of the game shows cards for Skaven players in the top left had corner https://boardgamegeek.com/image/3995196/locustofdeath. Whether or not these cards come in the box or are some sort of "extra team expansion pack" though I don't think anyone is sure of.
I really hope that every few teams they release an expansion pack with cards for said teams.
I'm really liking the team. I'm gonna try to split a team with a DoK player, subsidize the cost by a few bucks and they get a couple of extra Witch Aelves they can use for leaders or heroes.
And then I get a box full of models to make Fleetmasters/Assassins for my Scourge Privateers! Wooo!
I'm thrown off by the naming. I thought GW universally changed to calling Elves "Aelves". Here we are with official products and news calling them "Elves" and "Dark Elves". Is this unique to Blood Bowl?
CaptainWaffle wrote: I'm thrown off by the naming. I thought GW universally changed to calling Elves "Aelves". Here we are with official products and news calling them "Elves" and "Dark Elves". Is this unique to Blood Bowl?
CaptainWaffle wrote: I'm thrown off by the naming. I thought GW universally changed to calling Elves "Aelves". Here we are with official products and news calling them "Elves" and "Dark Elves". Is this unique to Blood Bowl?
Yes, Blood Bowl is basically its own 'universe'.
Yeah, it diverged at (one of) the (many) Battle(s) of Blackfire Pass when the armies stopped for a break and one of the Orcs accidentally uncovered a lost temple dedicated to Nuffle, god of ball sports, the ref that can see, and the rest is history; that version of the Old World has national tours instead of wars (though the casualty rate is about the same), Cabalvision instead of cabbalistic cults, and legendary Sports Entertainers rather than boring old Heroes, and never bothered with the End Times because then there would be no way to have a re-match after.
CaptainWaffle wrote: I'm thrown off by the naming. I thought GW universally changed to calling Elves "Aelves". Here we are with official products and news calling them "Elves" and "Dark Elves". Is this unique to Blood Bowl?
What are you talking about? GW is all about Orcs/Orks, Elves, Eldar and Imperial Guard.
The Dark Elf team looks ok. Miles better than the Chaos team (ugh), but I wish they had kept them closer to the computer game version (cowboy boots ftw!). I played Dark Elves in the early nineties, and am not at all fond or nostalgic of those old helmets. Dark elf aesthetics moved forwards a lot these last (almost) 30 years. A pity they are moving backwards..
A bit bummed we are very likely not getting Blitz Bowl in July, however I will definitely be picking up the Dark Elves (maybe two boxes to build a full 16 man roster and have max blitzers). They are certainly my favorite team GW has put out since the BB relaunch.
Sabotage! wrote: A bit bummed we are very likely not getting Blitz Bowl in July, however I will definitely be picking up the Dark Elves (maybe two boxes to build a full 16 man roster and have max blitzers). They are certainly my favorite team GW has put out since the BB relaunch.
I know what you mean. I’ve always liked the Dark Elves look, but never had a desire to build an army. I don’t even like their play style either , but they are glorious.
Sabotage! wrote: A bit bummed we are very likely not getting Blitz Bowl in July, however I will definitely be picking up the Dark Elves (maybe two boxes to build a full 16 man roster and have max blitzers). They are certainly my favorite team GW has put out since the BB relaunch.
Blitz Bowl will likely be one of the late fall pre christmas releases, it just makes sense that it would fit into that holiday boxed set timeframe. If rumors are true we still get two more teams this year after the DE so it looks like a pretty good year for blood bowl. I do like the DE team, but I think it was an odd decision to make the frenzy witch elf in such a static pose. It's a good looking sculpt...but it's just strange to me she isn't charging/leaping forward, she is also missing the iconic thing witch elves always had...the huge big mane of crazy hair. But overall they look good together on the pitch, I just hope the next two teams aren't elfs though.
Very likely that the next team will be Nurgle, they have been teasing them for awhile
As for the witch elf, well I guess they save the charging witch elf pose (and the mane) for the Star Player.
Sabotage! wrote: A bit bummed we are very likely not getting Blitz Bowl in July, however I will definitely be picking up the Dark Elves (maybe two boxes to build a full 16 man roster and have max blitzers). They are certainly my favorite team GW has put out since the BB relaunch.
Blitz Bowl will likely be one of the late fall pre christmas releases, it just makes sense that it would fit into that holiday boxed set timeframe. If rumors are true we still get two more teams this year after the DE so it looks like a pretty good year for blood bowl. I do like the DE team, but I think it was an odd decision to make the frenzy witch elf in such a static pose. It's a good looking sculpt...but it's just strange to me she isn't charging/leaping forward, she is also missing the iconic thing witch elves always had...the huge big mane of crazy hair. But overall they look good together on the pitch, I just hope the next two teams aren't elfs though.
I also prefer 80s hair on the witches but we are not living in a perfect world.
Sabotage! wrote: A bit bummed we are very likely not getting Blitz Bowl in July, however I will definitely be picking up the Dark Elves (maybe two boxes to build a full 16 man roster and have max blitzers). They are certainly my favorite team GW has put out since the BB relaunch.
I know what you mean. I’ve always liked the Dark Elves look, but never had a desire to build an army. I don’t even like their play style either , but they are glorious.
Sabotage! wrote: A bit bummed we are very likely not getting Blitz Bowl in July, however I will definitely be picking up the Dark Elves (maybe two boxes to build a full 16 man roster and have max blitzers). They are certainly my favorite team GW has put out since the BB relaunch.
Blitz Bowl will likely be one of the late fall pre christmas releases, it just makes sense that it would fit into that holiday boxed set timeframe. If rumors are true we still get two more teams this year after the DE so it looks like a pretty good year for blood bowl. I do like the DE team, but I think it was an odd decision to make the frenzy witch elf in such a static pose. It's a good looking sculpt...but it's just strange to me she isn't charging/leaping forward, she is also missing the iconic thing witch elves always had...the huge big mane of crazy hair. But overall they look good together on the pitch, I just hope the next two teams aren't elfs though.
I also prefer 80s hair on the witches but we are not living in a perfect world.
Sabotage! wrote: A bit bummed we are very likely not getting Blitz Bowl in July, however I will definitely be picking up the Dark Elves (maybe two boxes to build a full 16 man roster and have max blitzers). They are certainly my favorite team GW has put out since the BB relaunch.
I know what you mean. I’ve always liked the Dark Elves look, but never had a desire to build an army. I don’t even like their play style either , but they are glorious.
What´s so bad about their play style?
I’m more of a smash mouth play style than an agility play style. I love my Dwarves, and will try passing plays when I’m up by two touchdowns, mainly just to watch it happen. I don’t like playing the squishy teams, except halflings (halfling hitman doing fouls just to get off the field alive).
Sabotage! wrote: A bit bummed we are very likely not getting Blitz Bowl in July, however I will definitely be picking up the Dark Elves (maybe two boxes to build a full 16 man roster and have max blitzers). They are certainly my favorite team GW has put out since the BB relaunch.
Blitz Bowl will likely be one of the late fall pre christmas releases, it just makes sense that it would fit into that holiday boxed set timeframe. If rumors are true we still get two more teams this year after the DE so it looks like a pretty good year for blood bowl. I do like the DE team, but I think it was an odd decision to make the frenzy witch elf in such a static pose. It's a good looking sculpt...but it's just strange to me she isn't charging/leaping forward, she is also missing the iconic thing witch elves always had...the huge big mane of crazy hair. But overall they look good together on the pitch, I just hope the next two teams aren't elfs though.
Yeah, you are probably right on Blitz Bowl. I imagine that Kill Team and various 40k stuff will probably take up most of the year. I'm also with you on no more Elves (especially as the only Elves I like aesthetically and Dark Elves). I'm hoping we get Lizardmen and either Necromantic or Undead around Halloween (and my birthday!). We definitely need the unliving to have a bit of representation. I have a feeling we probably won't see Nurgle for a while, considering they had a bunch of concept art from the get go and didn't ever seem to do anything with it. To be fair if GW didn't release anything Nurgle for the next three years (baring the Rogue Trader box, which looks to have at least a Nurgle aspect to it), I'd be happy. That ship is more than a bit overcrowded.
Sabotage! wrote: A bit bummed we are very likely not getting Blitz Bowl in July, however I will definitely be picking up the Dark Elves (maybe two boxes to build a full 16 man roster and have max blitzers). They are certainly my favorite team GW has put out since the BB relaunch.
Blitz Bowl will likely be one of the late fall pre christmas releases, it just makes sense that it would fit into that holiday boxed set timeframe. If rumors are true we still get two more teams this year after the DE so it looks like a pretty good year for blood bowl. I do like the DE team, but I think it was an odd decision to make the frenzy witch elf in such a static pose. It's a good looking sculpt...but it's just strange to me she isn't charging/leaping forward, she is also missing the iconic thing witch elves always had...the huge big mane of crazy hair. But overall they look good together on the pitch, I just hope the next two teams aren't elfs though.
I also prefer 80s hair on the witches but we are not living in a perfect world.
Sabotage! wrote: A bit bummed we are very likely not getting Blitz Bowl in July, however I will definitely be picking up the Dark Elves (maybe two boxes to build a full 16 man roster and have max blitzers). They are certainly my favorite team GW has put out since the BB relaunch.
I know what you mean. I’ve always liked the Dark Elves look, but never had a desire to build an army. I don’t even like their play style either , but they are glorious.
What´s so bad about their play style?
I’m more of a smash mouth play style than an agility play style. I love my Dwarves, and will try passing plays when I’m up by two touchdowns, mainly just to watch it happen. I don’t like playing the squishy teams, except halflings (halfling hitman doing fouls just to get off the field alive).
Dark Elves are certainly NOT squishy. You can have four blitzers on your team and your linemen have AV8. You can have a fight with everybody apart from the bash teams. Also don´t forget the best DE players: Witch Elves. They are fast and have Frenzy. These gals are perfect to crowdsurf the opposition. DE have only one weakness: Assassins. This killer is only useful against AV7 or worse and therefore he sucks.
Sabotage! wrote: A bit bummed we are very likely not getting Blitz Bowl in July, however I will definitely be picking up the Dark Elves (maybe two boxes to build a full 16 man roster and have max blitzers). They are certainly my favorite team GW has put out since the BB relaunch.
Blitz Bowl will likely be one of the late fall pre christmas releases, it just makes sense that it would fit into that holiday boxed set timeframe. If rumors are true we still get two more teams this year after the DE so it looks like a pretty good year for blood bowl. I do like the DE team, but I think it was an odd decision to make the frenzy witch elf in such a static pose. It's a good looking sculpt...but it's just strange to me she isn't charging/leaping forward, she is also missing the iconic thing witch elves always had...the huge big mane of crazy hair. But overall they look good together on the pitch, I just hope the next two teams aren't elfs though.
Yeah, you are probably right on Blitz Bowl. I imagine that Kill Team and various 40k stuff will probably take up most of the year. I'm also with you on no more Elves (especially as the only Elves I like aesthetically and Dark Elves). I'm hoping we get Lizardmen and either Necromantic or Undead around Halloween (and my birthday!). We definitely need the unliving to have a bit of representation. I have a feeling we probably won't see Nurgle for a while, considering they had a bunch of concept art from the get go and didn't ever seem to do anything with it. To be fair if GW didn't release anything Nurgle for the next three years (baring the Rogue Trader box, which looks to have at least a Nurgle aspect to it), I'd be happy. That ship is more than a bit overcrowded.
I'd be cool with lizardmen and undead next. Unsure what the deal is with nurgle, some of the earliest concept art we saw was for them. I think they might be trying to figure out how to fit them onto a single sprue. I personally am looking forward to nurgle simply cause i'd imagine a nurgling ball, or a big maggot they could pass around...GWs nurgle stuff is always so characterful so I hope they get it right with that team. Part of me thinks we could see halfings though, 1 treeman per sprue and the rest goofy halflings. Their token could be a hand holding a turkey leg with a bite munched out of it.
Baxx wrote: I'm not interested in Nurgle at all. It's the one team where we already have a great set of models to use with real simple conversions.
It's true they are the easiest team to convert, but IMO the current zombie kit is terrible and hasn't aged well. I was hoping they could go for a more sports kit look and give nurgle it's own style in BB. But maybe GW realized they are easy to convert and decided to focus on other teams first.
Halflings could be an excellent team for GW team, though I personally would like to see them do more of the at least somewhat competitive teams first. That said I was really shocked we got goblins so early. I do love Thagrim's idea of a turkey drumstick marker for the team. I hope they have one with a saucepan helmet too.
Nurgle would be hard to fit on one Sprue. That's probably the issue. They are really easy to convert also, especially now that poxwalkers can be used as Rotters (because the old zombie kit is pretty awful by today's standards).
Sabotage! wrote: Halflings could be an excellent team for GW team, though I personally would like to see them do more of the at least somewhat competitive teams first. That said I was really shocked we got goblins so early. I do love Thagrim's idea of a turkey drumstick marker for the team. I hope they have one with a saucepan helmet too.
Nurgle would be hard to fit on one Sprue. That's probably the issue. They are really easy to convert also, especially now that poxwalkers can be used as Rotters (because the old zombie kit is pretty awful by today's standards).
Goblins probably released so early because they can be used in multiple teams. They could be added into Orcs, Underworld (Skaven were the first boxed team, weren't they?) and their own Goblin team.
As for Nurgle, if we think back to the initial Blood Bowl release, the plan was to have a couple of plastic box sets while some teams might actually be completely resin. Those plans were hastily changed when Blood Bowl was a massive hit, so I wonder if the plan was always for Nurgle to have been a resin team, and while the concepts for other plastic boxes were already well-formed, or easier to conceptualise due to the team positionals, the uniqueness of a complete team of resin players hasn't yet been re-tooled to fit neatly onto a sprue of six players.
I believe that alongside Humans and Orcs, the Skaven, Goblins, Dwarves and Pro Elves teams were already quite far down the production/release pipeline even when BB2016 was announced. Beyond those, I would imagine that Doom Lords and Dark Elves were conceptualised and designed some time last year. If the plastic production for BB is moving full pelt then Nurgle could easily have been pushed way out of the schedule. They're going to happen, but I wouldn't put money on them being "next". Could be, though!
I think the art of the lineman looks better than the final models, look at that more interesting helmet detailing and more shifty snakey torso. Overall now that i've seen the sprues and 360 spins i'd say the kit is decent, could be better but considering they are plastic and stuff that is a bonus. Problem I have is they seem kinda stubby, like the witch elf has a big head and short legs. The finger claws are an interesting idea but i'm worried they will break eventually, cause in BB you generally lay the models face up/down and they receive a lot of handling compared to some other games.
I'm very tempted to get this team, but because I don't know what the next 2 teams are I am hesitant to dive in. I wish they would give us more of a roadmap or idea of what is coming.
I would be very likely to make a dive into bloodbiwl if they released a lizardman team of good quality. Or at the very least pick it up for conversion purposes (Ive been on a kick lately!)
I think the art of the lineman looks better than the final models,
I think all of the concept art for this team probably look better than the product. Part of it might be because the guy who made this is new according to interview. All of the previous sculptor did a great job tho.
Surprised no one posted this before me, but here's some more blitz bowl info...particularly the how to play. There is also rules included for most other teams that have new models in the box, except it seems dark elves got left out.
I watched the Let's Play on Blitz Bowl this morning before work and I'm really looking forward to it. It looks like it will be a fun, chaotic, and quickly playing version of Blood Bowl. Between that and Sevens I should be able to get more games in. Hopefully once some more plastic teams come out they will release an expansion card pack to cover some more teams. Maybe every four teams or so release a pack with their cards for 10 or 15 bucks.
That said I won't complain getting the rules for seven teams in the core box.
I personally love BB as it is, but getting other people to sit down with me and play for up to 2 hours straight can be tough. This looks like a good step below that, but still very fun. I might pick it up at that price point. I already have the BB starter set but this has a different look to the pitch and a slightly different vibe.
I definitely hope they continue to release plastic teams, and more rules so they can be used in blitz bowl. I'm hoping we find out which team is next at the upcoming warhammerfest thingy. Fingers crossed for chaos dwarfs/undead/lizardmen.
Thargrim wrote: I personally love BB as it is, but getting other people to sit down with me and play for up to 2 hours straight can be tough. This looks like a good step below that, but still very fun. I might pick it up at that price point. I already have the BB starter set but this has a different look to the pitch and a slightly different vibe.
I definitely hope they continue to release plastic teams, and more rules so they can be used in blitz bowl. I'm hoping we find out which team is next at the upcoming warhammerfest thingy. Fingers crossed for chaos dwarfs/undead/lizardmen.
Yeah, I definitely feel you on that one. Most of the people I play games with are pretty casual and don't want to play a two hour Blood Bowl game. They tend to prefer games that can be wrapped up in an hour. For 45 (at full retail I believe) it seems pretty reasonable, especially as if you have any of the other teams available, you can put them to use.
I can't imagine it would cost them too much to put out a card pack every four or so teams to add some variety to Blitz Bowl, or at the very least put them out online as a free PDF. I've also been crossing my fingers that GW will preview the new team at the European Warhammer event thing. I'd be very excited to see any of the teams you mentioned, and if the models are half decent, would buy any of them.
I just went to pre-order a copy of Blitz Bowl on Barnes and Noble to find it's temporarily out of stock online. Hopefully it won't be a limited release product. On the plus side, I imagine that means it has sold pretty well and maybe GW will release cards for further teams and other expansions.
Baxx wrote: Yay, the human team is "complete" (missing one catcher, but yeah). Took them almost 2 years. Now we need a complete orc team too. And gobbos!
Gobbos most of all. Humans and orcs, you can buy a second box; you'll have some extras of the 0-2 positionals, but you'll have enough of everything else.
Gobbos, there are still 3 positions with no official sculpt. There is literally no official GW product you can buy in any quantity that will allow you to field every position of the Goblin team, a team which released well over a year ago.
Forge World works on sculptor interest and enthusiasm, so the cheerleaders came first because one or more of the sculptors really wanted to do them.
What this says about the one behind the orc cheer squad, I’m sure I don’t know…
EDIT: innuendo aside, the Chaos cheerleaders are some of the best female sculpts I’ve seen out of GW/FW in ages. I dunno if it’s ironic or just a really bad paint job, but the human ones are kinda the opposite.
I picked up the Human booster, a Griff Oberwald to make into a team captain/fourth blitzer pose, a cheer leader set, and a second minotaur. Need one for each my chosen and renegades, after all!
Talk about lazy sculpting, I noticed playing BB2 on pc, a dwarf coach hired a goblin chainsword star player! The developers didn't bother making 3d model for the dwarf chainsword star player, and re-used the goblin one.
On a sidenote, looks like Blitz Bowl is back in stock at Barnes and Noble (just ordered a copy an hour ago).
It's nice to see the Human Booster finally, I'll be picking that up before FW changes to local currencies on the 20th and the price goes up. Hopefully we will get a preview of the Orc Booster this weekend
I feel the same. I know some people have really wanted the nurgle team, and Im happy for them that they got it... But it's probably the one team that disappoints me.
Carlovonsexron wrote: I feel the same. I know some people have really wanted the nurgle team, and Im happy for them that they got it... But it's probably the one team that disappoints me.
Yeah......huge bummer to me too. I was really hoping to wake up this morning and see some variety of Undead, Lizardmen, or Chaos Dwarfs. Instead we end up with quite possibly the easiest team to convert in the game (you know, from the faction that has 40K different existing models). Congrats to the people that wanted Nurgle and didn't feel like converting I guess. Odd choice if you ask me.
The models look much nicer in the proper video than the blurry display case video. Still, I can't help but be disappointed we didn't get a team that couldn't be very easily converted.
Same here. They're good conversion fodder for 40k and Necromunda - not so overloaded with silly details (extra mouthes, Nurglings...) and branches like certain other Nurgle models.
Will buy at least one for BB even though I never liked the Rotter's and their stupid negative modifiers to play against and one to use for Nurgle pirates and mutants.
And to mould the bodies from the fattoes and use their glorious flab EVERYWHERE.
PS: now do a Lizardmen team with the bulk of the Carnosaur hero pleeeease.
I was looking forward to lizardmen as I’m of the same opinion of the rotters rules. I’d rather just play them as chaos team and put rusty spikes on the dudes to represent horns.
Only slight bummer with the nurgle guys is I don't see any maggots. Dunno how the sculptors could forget the maggots!
I plan on slapping some of the maggot piles from the plaguebearer kit on the bases.
I'm also fascinated by the nurgle pitch, which is double sided...the one side looks like a putrid garden...who knows what the reverse will be. Maybe the garden erupted in pus and everyones sliding around the pitch with pus on their feet giving negative modifiers to GFI rolls.
I wonder when we'll get the Nurgle team....my guess would be October, as we just the Dark Elves in July. If that's the case, it doesn't leave the BB team much time to get us the aforementioned four teams a year. Do you all think we will get a fourth team this year? Or that we will have another short year?
If we are getting another team, what are you guys thinking? My thoughts for the Nurgle slot were way off, I was assuming they'd want to make teams with minis that have no parallels in the GW line (things like Werewolves, Mummies, Bull Centaurs), and that don't have any current race representation (Undead, Lizardmen), but that is clearly not the logic the BB team is following. I would say they will release another Death Zone team, but with the intro of Spike Magazine I think they can really do whatever they want.
Nurgle was always second, the 'it's one you won't guess before them' turned out to be the Dark Elves. I'd expect undead to be next, I was told some previews were done at the same time the shadespire minis
Binabik15 wrote:Obviously they should do Lizardmen, Wood Elves and Undead or Norsca next. Obviously.
So we'll see more Union elves and a pure Ogre team and Halflings next Seriously, who knows with FW.
Hahaha, right?
Thebiggesthat wrote:Nurgle was always second, the 'it's one you won't guess before them' turned out to be the Dark Elves. I'd expect undead to be next, I was told some previews were done at the same time the shadespire minis
Huh, so they Undead could be in the pipeline? That would be rather nice.
Vorian wrote: Had there really been anything that left field released?
I know two Elf teams, but then there's four of them to get through - and then the Goblins but they complete lots of other teams so it makes sense.
Lizard men would be good next though
Chaos was very left field....they weren't in Death Zone or hinted at anywhere to my knowledge. I think everyone was expecting Nurgle and then Chaos got released, followed by Dark Elves, and people thought Nurgle had been put on indefinite hold or something. Nurgle had concept art at the announcement of the game after all, so it's a bit odd to seem them a full two years after the game's rerelease. In my mind I thought GW had put Nurgle on back burner because it is probably the easiest team to convert from existing plastics of the Blood Bowl teams. I thought they might want to focus a bit more on factions that have miniatures that have no parallels or really even conversion potential in their plastic ranges (Undead, Necromantic, Khemri, Chaos Dwarfs).
To be fair I think the Spike Magazine release is what tosses the "release the Death Zone factions first" thing into question. Spike gives GW the opportunity to print a team's new rules in a magazine alongside whatever team box they decide to release.
I really hope we don't get the two Elf teams any time soon. There are already two Elf teams for Elf players to use, and none of the Undead factions have a team, and neither do Lizardmen, which is also a very unique faction.
They may have been unexpected - but its not like Chaos are a small team. They are one of the major ones, like Dark Elves are. It's not like they are Ogres or Halflings.
Undead and Lizardmen do seem the obvious next steps though. Fingers crossed.
Vorian wrote: They may have been unexpected - but its not like Chaos are a small team. They are one of the major ones, like Dark Elves are. It's not like they are Ogres or Halflings.
Undead and Lizardmen do seem the obvious next steps though. Fingers crossed.
Yeah, that's a good point. Personally Chaos was a pleasant surprise to me. It certainly wasn't like Elf Union where I was a bit confused that they were the first Elves to get a release, as opposed to one of the original Elf teams.
Vorian wrote: They may have been unexpected - but its not like Chaos are a small team. They are one of the major ones, like Dark Elves are. It's not like they are Ogres or Halflings.
Undead and Lizardmen do seem the obvious next steps though. Fingers crossed.
Yeah, that's a good point. Personally Chaos was a pleasant surprise to me. It certainly wasn't like Elf Union where I was a bit confused that they were the first Elves to get a release, as opposed to one of the original Elf teams.
Hold up:
"Union" Elves WERE the first elf team. Back in 1st/2nd edition.
Huh, no idea on that, though I didn't know what BB was back in 1st. I figured since the teams were loosely based on WHF races that the other Elf teams would come first. That all said, I still have never seen anyone play an Elf Union team, even with the new plastics. They are certainly not what most would consider a "major" team in BB like the other Elves are.
Sabotage! wrote: Huh, no idea on that, though I didn't know what BB was back in 1st. I figured since the teams were loosely based on WHF races that the other Elf teams would come first. That all said, I still have never seen anyone play an Elf Union team, even with the new plastics. They are certainly not what most would consider a "major" team in BB like the other Elves are.
Generational, I guess. I came into GW through Blood Bowl 2nd edition (a childhood birthday present) while my older brother had 1st edition a few years before that. There were no distinctions between various elven teams in the way that there are now. The only concession was the Dark Elf team, but considering Warhammer Fantasy was, I believe, only about hitting it's stride at that point, even having such a divide at such an early point in the development of the Warhammer background, such as it... well, was, is almost entirely down to the already established fantasy tropes Warhammer was borne out of, such as Dungeons and Dragons. I wasn't an avid follower of Warhammer Fantasy so I don't know how well-established the various subfactions actually were back in 1988, like High Elves, Wood Elves, etc, but I do remember that most of the generic (or "Pro"/"Union" as they're now known) elf sculpts for Blood Bowl were based primarily on Wood Elf wardancer sculpts that I recognised from the various catalogues at the time.
Other than that, as far as Blood Bowl went, Elves were Elves. They had mohican haircuts, wore studded leather leggings, sported hockey masks on the pitch and spent far too much time admiring themselves in the mirror than is healthy.
What with me being a bit of an old-schooler, the focus on the subfactions in 3rd edition onwards is one of the things that turned me off it, since they brought the aesthetics of Blood Bowl more in-line with the Fantasy range as it was then. So rather than a more distinct, somewhat sports-oriented look, the High Elf team just looked like High Elf spearmen with the weapons clipped off. The Chaos Dwarves looked like the Chaos Dwarf axemen regiment with the weapons snipped off. Double yawn. And so on. And for most of 3rd editions lifespan, the pro-elf team basically didn't exist, which never sat right with me.
Yeah, I didn't get into the hobby in general until the late 1990s, so I didn't see any of the first couple editions. I don't believe GW products were really that popular in the U.S. at the time and I was pretty young.
I could see how the figures looking more in line with the Fantasy factions would be a bit frustrating, as opposed to a more distinctive sports influenced look. I do like the GW has made an effort to make the current range look more like Sports players than warriors. Personally I think the Elf subfactions have a lot more flavor than the Pro elves, and honestly four Elf teams released in Death Zone was way too many.
Sabotage! wrote: Personally I think the Elf subfactions have a lot more flavor than the Pro elves, and honestly four Elf teams released in Death Zone was way too many.
Why is 4 Elf tams in Death Zone too many? There are 24 teams. No Elf team is ever going to be taken out of Blood Bowl. Even if GW excludes some, players are going to keep playing them.
As for flavour, I like the pro/union elves for the fact that they are different from the established Warhammer Fantasy factions. For a while in the 1990s you couldn't move without having to punch a High Elf directly in their smug face, and trying to shape those factions to fit into Blood Bowl in a fun way always seemed a bit of a stretch.
There's something kind of brutal about the non-faction elves with their hockey masks and 1980s punk aesthetic and that sets them apart for me.
Sabotage! wrote: Personally I think the Elf subfactions have a lot more flavor than the Pro elves, and honestly four Elf teams released in Death Zone was way too many.
Why is 4 Elf tams in Death Zone too many? There are 24 teams. No Elf team is ever going to be taken out of Blood Bowl. Even if GW excludes some, players are going to keep playing them.
Yeah, have 4 Elf teams in 24 is absolutely fine. But when you rerelease a game and decide to chose 9 teams in your initial offerings, 4 Elf teams is way too many. Include all the Elf Teams in the Teams of Legend absolutely, no one shouldn't be able to play their current teams. But when you have nine teams (4 Elves, Humans, Orcs, Dwarves, Skaven, and Nurgle) 4 Elf Teams is way too many. Ideally wouldn't you want to include teams from all over the play spectrum, so new players, who may only have access to Death Zone teams (as that's mostly what's getting plastic releases) have some options in play. While the Elves all play differently, they are all Ag 4 teams, and the difference in play of Dark Elf team to a High Elf team is nothing compared to that of say an Undead, Lizardmen, Chaos Dwarves, Norse, Amazon, etc.
I'm not saying all the Elf teams shouldn't get plastic releases, because they totally should, but if we end up with High Elves and Wood Elves as the next releases (the only two Death Zone teams not announced or released) that is dramatically less diverse than if we ended up with Lizardmen and Necromantic let's say. Not to mention many teams have miniatures that GW doesn't really offer conversion potential for (Mummies? Werewolves? Tomb Guardians? Ulfwerenar?), where the Woodies and High Elves can be pretty easily converted from existing plastics.
Sabotage! wrote: Personally I think the Elf subfactions have a lot more flavor than the Pro elves, and honestly four Elf teams released in Death Zone was way too many.
Why is 4 Elf tams in Death Zone too many? There are 24 teams. No Elf team is ever going to be taken out of Blood Bowl. Even if GW excludes some, players are going to keep playing them.
Yeah, have 4 Elf teams in 24 is absolutely fine. But when you rerelease a game and decide to chose 9 teams in your initial offerings, 4 Elf teams is way too many. Include all the Elf Teams in the Teams of Legend absolutely, no one shouldn't be able to play their current teams. But when you have nine teams (4 Elves, Humans, Orcs, Dwarves, Skaven, and Nurgle) 4 Elf Teams is way too many. Ideally wouldn't you want to include teams from all over the play spectrum, so new players, who may only have access to Death Zone teams (as that's mostly what's getting plastic releases) have some options in play. While the Elves all play differently, they are all Ag 4 teams, and the difference in play of Dark Elf team to a High Elf team is nothing compared to that of say an Undead, Lizardmen, Chaos Dwarves, Norse, Amazon, etc.
I'm not saying all the Elf teams shouldn't get plastic releases, because they totally should, but if we end up with High Elves and Wood Elves as the next releases (the only two Death Zone teams not announced or released) that is dramatically less diverse than if we ended up with Lizardmen and Necromantic let's say. Not to mention many teams have miniatures that GW doesn't really offer conversion potential for (Mummies? Werewolves? Tomb Guardians? Ulfwerenar?), where the Woodies and High Elves can be pretty easily converted from existing plastics.
Well, there was a strong suggestion way back in the mists of the distant past (2016-2017) that the Union Elf kit was going to be a base set for which Forgeworld upgrade packs would be released in order to represent the different varieties of Elf teams, freeing up the plastic schedule. Not sure whether this is an idea that is being carried forward now.
Anyway, regardless of that, the intention behind the BB releases has always been to release kits of one kind or another (plastic or otherwise) for every prior team that is currently on either the Death Zone rosters or the Teams of Legend PDF (as they get moved into a Death Zone/Spike! magazine release of their own). So it's really just a matter of patience. The four elf teams have never before been considered to be "too many", and they still won't be, really, unless you're using a metric that is going to shift as the release schedule rolls on.
For a start, I imagine the headache of trying to figure out how to package some teams in plastic is what's delaying some specific teams. Undead are the most obvious example of this, and I can't wait for the whining that will accompany the simple fact that it isn't going to be possible for GW to comfortably fit all of the possible options into that sprue without at least one or more faction boosters from Forgeworld.
There's no indication so far that the High or Wood Elves are the next releases. Even if they are, it's fine. The other teams are coming. The release schedule is what it is.
Sabotage! wrote: Personally I think the Elf subfactions have a lot more flavor than the Pro elves, and honestly four Elf teams released in Death Zone was way too many.
Why is 4 Elf tams in Death Zone too many? There are 24 teams. No Elf team is ever going to be taken out of Blood Bowl. Even if GW excludes some, players are going to keep playing them.
Yeah, have 4 Elf teams in 24 is absolutely fine. But when you rerelease a game and decide to chose 9 teams in your initial offerings, 4 Elf teams is way too many. Include all the Elf Teams in the Teams of Legend absolutely, no one shouldn't be able to play their current teams. But when you have nine teams (4 Elves, Humans, Orcs, Dwarves, Skaven, and Nurgle) 4 Elf Teams is way too many. Ideally wouldn't you want to include teams from all over the play spectrum, so new players, who may only have access to Death Zone teams (as that's mostly what's getting plastic releases) have some options in play. While the Elves all play differently, they are all Ag 4 teams, and the difference in play of Dark Elf team to a High Elf team is nothing compared to that of say an Undead, Lizardmen, Chaos Dwarves, Norse, Amazon, etc.
I'm not saying all the Elf teams shouldn't get plastic releases, because they totally should, but if we end up with High Elves and Wood Elves as the next releases (the only two Death Zone teams not announced or released) that is dramatically less diverse than if we ended up with Lizardmen and Necromantic let's say. Not to mention many teams have miniatures that GW doesn't really offer conversion potential for (Mummies? Werewolves? Tomb Guardians? Ulfwerenar?), where the Woodies and High Elves can be pretty easily converted from existing plastics.
There was never just 9 teams in the initial offerings. It was all the 24 teams always. They just didn't bother printing it in the first book. Just like the star players. You don't need to wait to the next book to play with Mighty Zug or whatever. We still got the complete list. The least important/interesting parts of BB2016 are the team rosters, unless they actually changed something. Most teams haven't changed, so it wouldn't make any difference whether they included it in the books or not.
New players need to get the old pdf to play the game properly!!! Do not play a limited game and have a limited experience just because granny didn't print some pages to sell, we already got that for free.
ekwatts wrote:
Well, there was a strong suggestion way back in the mists of the distant past (2016-2017) that the Union Elf kit was going to be a base set for which Forgeworld upgrade packs would be released in order to represent the different varieties of Elf teams, freeing up the plastic schedule. Not sure whether this is an idea that is being carried forward now.
Anyway, regardless of that, the intention behind the BB releases has always been to release kits of one kind or another (plastic or otherwise) for every prior team that is currently on either the Death Zone rosters or the Teams of Legend PDF (as they get moved into a Death Zone/Spike! magazine release of their own). So it's really just a matter of patience. The four elf teams have never before been considered to be "too many", and they still won't be, really, unless you're using a metric that is going to shift as the release schedule rolls on.
For a start, I imagine the headache of trying to figure out how to package some teams in plastic is what's delaying some specific teams. Undead are the most obvious example of this, and I can't wait for the whining that will accompany the simple fact that it isn't going to be possible for GW to comfortably fit all of the possible options into that sprue without at least one or more faction boosters from Forgeworld.
There's no indication so far that the High or Wood Elves are the next releases. Even if they are, it's fine. The other teams are coming. The release schedule is what it is.
I didn't say or imply that four Elf teams is too many, simply having a variety of teams available in Death Zone would have been preferable to having the book contain more than half Elf Teams.
I don't really see the headache with Undead. Two zombies, one skeleton, one ghoul, one wight, and one mummy per sprue. Want to play more than two ghouls or no skeletons? Buy a second box or do some converting. This really isn't any different than Humans, Orcs, Skaven, and Dark Elves with their positionals. Necromantic you can do three zombies,one wight, one wolf, and one flesh golem per sprue and if you want Ghouls, you can buy the Undead kit (which at 35 will be about the same price as the new USD team booster packs anyways), which will round out your zombies for a 16 player roster also. That was off the top of my head, so I think the "headache" of packaging most teams is exaggerated.
Sabotage! wrote: Personally I think the Elf subfactions have a lot more flavor than the Pro elves, and honestly four Elf teams released in Death Zone was way too many.
Why is 4 Elf tams in Death Zone too many? There are 24 teams. No Elf team is ever going to be taken out of Blood Bowl. Even if GW excludes some, players are going to keep playing them.
Yeah, have 4 Elf teams in 24 is absolutely fine. But when you rerelease a game and decide to chose 9 teams in your initial offerings, 4 Elf teams is way too many. Include all the Elf Teams in the Teams of Legend absolutely, no one shouldn't be able to play their current teams. But when you have nine teams (4 Elves, Humans, Orcs, Dwarves, Skaven, and Nurgle) 4 Elf Teams is way too many. Ideally wouldn't you want to include teams from all over the play spectrum, so new players, who may only have access to Death Zone teams (as that's mostly what's getting plastic releases) have some options in play. While the Elves all play differently, they are all Ag 4 teams, and the difference in play of Dark Elf team to a High Elf team is nothing compared to that of say an Undead, Lizardmen, Chaos Dwarves, Norse, Amazon, etc.
I'm not saying all the Elf teams shouldn't get plastic releases, because they totally should, but if we end up with High Elves and Wood Elves as the next releases (the only two Death Zone teams not announced or released) that is dramatically less diverse than if we ended up with Lizardmen and Necromantic let's say. Not to mention many teams have miniatures that GW doesn't really offer conversion potential for (Mummies? Werewolves? Tomb Guardians? Ulfwerenar?), where the Woodies and High Elves can be pretty easily converted from existing plastics.
There was never just 9 teams in the initial offerings. It was all the 24 teams always. They just didn't bother printing it in the first book. Just like the star players. You don't need to wait to the next book to play with Mighty Zug or whatever. We still got the complete list. The least important/interesting parts of BB2016 are the team rosters, unless they actually changed something. Most teams haven't changed, so it wouldn't make any difference whether they included it in the books or not.
New players need to get the old pdf to play the game properly!!! Do not play a limited game and have a limited experience just because granny didn't print some pages to sell, we already got that for free.
Sure, ToL came out at release, which is cool for players like myself, who have played BB for a while and has a variety of (3rd party) teams that I can play with. But new first experience with the game will be directly through GW, and I think a good selling point to your game is "Look at the variety of different teams you can play." That and anyone who's local place of game play is a local GW store, that doesn't allow third party miniatures. Those are the people who would really want miniatures for things GW has no parallel in their lines.
Anyways, I think we've beaten this discussion to death.
Is there anyone else who would really love them to go back and do a Spike Magazine for each of the teams that came out before it started? If they keep up the "4 teams a year" schedule (so one every 3 months) they could release an issue of Spike every month and a half, switching back and forth between a new team and an old team.
They have 8 teams with minis but no magazine (Humans, Orcs, Skaven, Dwarfs, Goblins, Elf Union, Chaos Renegades and Underworld Denizens) so they could catch up with all of them in 2 years, then go back to only 4 issues a year.
Interesting to note that we get the Nurgle team for preorder next week, which is a really quick turnaround from preview to release. Maybe the team will get in a 4th team this year after all.
I do think it would be cool to see Spike Magazines for the teams already released also Zetan, though I've heard the BB team is only three writers and four sculptors, so they may have their hands full.
Games Workshop is not very committed to consistency. Last year we got some very cool rules for team specific balls. But they only made them for some teams (goblins, orcs, dwarves, chaos, skaven and one generic). Maybe Spike magazine follows the same pattern, only a random selection of teams will be lucky enough to get it, until they start something new and different again. Same with (in)famous coaching staff. Some teams got them, some teams don't.
Is Blitz Bowl ever going to be released in the UK? Because it looks just perfect for getting people hooked into a BB game which takes little time, and would round out the main BB box set teams very nicely.
Zetan wrote: Is there anyone else who would really love them to go back and do a Spike Magazine for each of the teams that came out before it started? If they keep up the "4 teams a year" schedule (so one every 3 months) they could release an issue of Spike every month and a half, switching back and forth between a new team and an old team.
They have 8 teams with minis but no magazine (Humans, Orcs, Skaven, Dwarfs, Goblins, Elf Union, Chaos Renegades and Underworld Denizens) so they could catch up with all of them in 2 years, then go back to only 4 issues a year.
I doubt they'll dedicate a full Spike issue to plastic teams already released but I wouldn't be surprised to see extra bits here and there as they attempt to round out the previously released teams in order to bring their star player count up to around ten (something they committed to when Spike! was announced). There's some crossover with other teams, of course, so Chaos Renegades, Nurgle and Skaven already got some extras with the first Spike!, dedicated to the Chaos Chosen release. There might even be some stuff in the Nurgle one for Chaos Renegades, Skaven, etc.
Sabotage! wrote: Interesting to note that we get the Nurgle team for preorder next week, which is a really quick turnaround from preview to release. Maybe the team will get in a 4th team this year after all.
I do think it would be cool to see Spike Magazines for the teams already released also Zetan, though I've heard the BB team is only three writers and four sculptors, so they may have their hands full.
I don't think anyone doubted they would get a fourth team in? They'd committed to the four releases per year already, and the release schedules are planned so far in advance that there's really no reason to doubt them.
Baxx wrote: Games Workshop is not very committed to consistency. Last year we got some very cool rules for team specific balls. But they only made them for some teams (goblins, orcs, dwarves, chaos, skaven and one generic). Maybe Spike magazine follows the same pattern, only a random selection of teams will be lucky enough to get it, until they start something new and different again. Same with (in)famous coaching staff. Some teams got them, some teams don't.
The special ball rules are contingent on the plastic releases.
As for infamous coaching staff and so on, see my first answer. Spike! will (or won't, according to the developers whims) be sprinkling this stuff in over the coming months, I imagine.
Sabotage! wrote: Interesting to note that we get the Nurgle team for preorder next week, which is a really quick turnaround from preview to release. Maybe the team will get in a 4th team this year after all.
I do think it would be cool to see Spike Magazines for the teams already released also Zetan, though I've heard the BB team is only three writers and four sculptors, so they may have their hands full.
I don't think anyone doubted they would get a fourth team in? They'd committed to the four releases per year already, and the release schedules are planned so far in advance that there's really no reason to doubt them.
I think a lot of people did (myself included), browsing a variety of different forums (this, TFF, Reddit). GW still has a lot of stuff that we know will be released this year (Rogue Trader, Ork book with new models, Speed Freaks, Space Wolves, Beastmen battle tome w/ new terrain, very likely a new AoS army), and has to fit it in somewhere. Not to mention last year (when they also committed to four teams) they only managed three (Dwarves, Goblins and Elf Union). So with September, October, and November being the release window, it did look pretty unlikely they would put out two teams. Now that we saw the Nurgle preview had a quick turn around on preorder, it is possible we could still get that fourth team in the next two months.
Sabotage! wrote: Interesting to note that we get the Nurgle team for preorder next week, which is a really quick turnaround from preview to release. Maybe the team will get in a 4th team this year after all.
I do think it would be cool to see Spike Magazines for the teams already released also Zetan, though I've heard the BB team is only three writers and four sculptors, so they may have their hands full.
I don't think anyone doubted they would get a fourth team in? They'd committed to the four releases per year already, and the release schedules are planned so far in advance that there's really no reason to doubt them.
I think a lot of people did (myself included), browsing a variety of different forums (this, TFF, Reddit). GW still has a lot of stuff that we know will be released this year (Rogue Trader, Ork book with new models, Speed Freaks, Space Wolves, Beastmen battle tome w/ new terrain, very likely a new AoS army), and has to fit it in somewhere. Not to mention last year (when they also committed to four teams) they only managed three (Dwarves, Goblins and Elf Union). So with September, October, and November being the release window, it did look pretty unlikely they would put out two teams. Now that we saw the Nurgle preview had a quick turn around on preorder, it is possible we could still get that fourth team in the next two months.
Hmm, I guess I see where you're coming from but last year was a little different: BB was still new and they hurriedly had to change their plans around due to the popularity of the game. Once they had announced that there were going to be four plastic team box releases in 2018 then that should effectively be set in stone due to how far in advance these things are planned out. The second half of the year is always "interesting", of course, as the schedules start to presage the pre-Christmas releases that tend to be big money-spinners, but the schedule getting a little crowded shouldn't be any reason to think that the previously committed four team release was going to be missed. I get what you're saying, but I'm generally of the outlook that, unless we're specifically told that plans have changed, then the plans haven't changed. Anything else is pessimism and real life has enough of that to go round right now, I don't need it mixed into my little plastic dudesmen hobby.
Things can change, obviously, but there hasn't been any indication so far in 2018 that GW have had to shuffle anything or make any mad scrambles to reorganise like they did after the release of BB2016. All is well until you see evidence to suggest otherwise.
Sabotage! wrote: Interesting to note that we get the Nurgle team for preorder next week, which is a really quick turnaround from preview to release. Maybe the team will get in a 4th team this year after all.
I do think it would be cool to see Spike Magazines for the teams already released also Zetan, though I've heard the BB team is only three writers and four sculptors, so they may have their hands full.
I don't think anyone doubted they would get a fourth team in? They'd committed to the four releases per year already, and the release schedules are planned so far in advance that there's really no reason to doubt them.
I think a lot of people did (myself included), browsing a variety of different forums (this, TFF, Reddit). GW still has a lot of stuff that we know will be released this year (Rogue Trader, Ork book with new models, Speed Freaks, Space Wolves, Beastmen battle tome w/ new terrain, very likely a new AoS army), and has to fit it in somewhere. Not to mention last year (when they also committed to four teams) they only managed three (Dwarves, Goblins and Elf Union). So with September, October, and November being the release window, it did look pretty unlikely they would put out two teams. Now that we saw the Nurgle preview had a quick turn around on preorder, it is possible we could still get that fourth team in the next two months.
Hmm, I guess I see where you're coming from but last year was a little different: BB was still new and they hurriedly had to change their plans around due to the popularity of the game. Once they had announced that there were going to be four plastic team box releases in 2018 then that should effectively be set in stone due to how far in advance these things are planned out. The second half of the year is always "interesting", of course, as the schedules start to presage the pre-Christmas releases that tend to be big money-spinners, but the schedule getting a little crowded shouldn't be any reason to think that the previously committed four team release was going to be missed. I get what you're saying, but I'm generally of the outlook that, unless we're specifically told that plans have changed, then the plans haven't changed. Anything else is pessimism and real life has enough of that to go round right now, I don't need it mixed into my little plastic dudesmen hobby.
Things can change, obviously, but there hasn't been any indication so far in 2018 that GW have had to shuffle anything or make any mad scrambles to reorganise like they did after the release of BB2016. All is well until you see evidence to suggest otherwise.
Yeah, GW definitely did not anticipate the popularity of Blood Bowl, and from my understanding a lot of teams that had been planned to be resin were converted over to plastic, which is apparently quite a bit of work. I'm wasn't trying to be pessimistic, as I agree with you, the world certainly has enough negative factors at the moment. If we don't get a fourth team, I'm not going to be upset, but before we saw how early Nurgle was being released, I would have been pleasantly surprised if we did get one. Honestly I'm happy we are getting anything for BB, because as of three years ago we were getting nothing at all. GW has really come around under the new leadership. As of about five years I never played anything GW other than dead specialist games (Mordheim and Blood Bowl) and bought pretty much nothing from them. Now I'm actively buying things from several of their product lines. In short, I didn't mean to come off critical of the Blood Bowl team, they are doing a very good job, I was just caught off guard by how short of a time between the preview and preorder of Nurgle there was.
Nurgle team highlight. Is the mentioned Rotspawn something we've seen yet? Described as strong, tentacles, Disturbing Presence, and Foul Appearance. The description makes it sound like a Blood Bowl-ified Bloan=b Rotspawn, assuming it will be a FW special model?
I'm really excited for this box even tho I'm not playing Blood Bowl yet. I'm planning on using a box to extend a box of Putrid Blightkings into 10 figures and use the Rotters as Poxwalkers.
Nurgle team highlight. Is the mentioned Rotspawn something we've seen yet? Described as strong, tentacles, Disturbing Presence, and Foul Appearance. The description makes it sound like a Blood Bowl-ified Bloan=b Rotspawn, assuming it will be a FW special model?
I'm really excited for this box even tho I'm not playing Blood Bowl yet. I'm planning on using a box to extend a box of Putrid Blightkings into 10 figures and use the Rotters as Poxwalkers.
They just renamed the big guy that has been a central part to the Nurgle teams forever, if you're asking if its a "new" player-type.
Yeah, they renamed Nurgle Warriors to Bloaters and renamed Beast of Nurgle to Rotspawn. The former is probably because their stats are not really anything like Chaos Warriors (lower MA and AG) so why not make them distinctive? The latter is presumably because the new Beast of Nurgle is huge; it sits on a 60mm base, and there's no way anything similar would fit on a Blood Bowl base. The Rotspawn will, presumably, be Forgeworld, since all the big guys for teams not in the core box are.
Also, I don't know if it's been mentioned anywhere, but the release date for the Nurgle stuff is 9/8. That's a fair bit sooner than we were expecting; only 8 weeks after the Dark Elves. One more team before the end of the year seems much more doable now!
Zetan wrote: Yeah, they renamed Nurgle Warriors to Bloaters and renamed Beast of Nurgle to Rotspawn. The former is probably because their stats are not really anything like Chaos Warriors (lower MA and AG) so why not make them distinctive? The latter is presumably because the new Beast of Nurgle is huge; it sits on a 60mm base, and there's no way anything similar would fit on a Blood Bowl base. The Rotspawn will, presumably, be Forgeworld, since all the big guys for teams not in the core box are.
Also, I don't know if it's been mentioned anywhere, but the release date for the Nurgle stuff is 9/8. That's a fair bit sooner than we were expecting; only 8 weeks after the Dark Elves. One more team before the end of the year seems much more doable now!
Thanks! I didn't know they used Beasts previously, so now that description makes sense. Here's hoping for a funky FW Beast model with Blood Bowl gear in a similar aesthetic to the new plastic kit.
I think they look great. Tzaangors are very divergent from the typical gor look. Why would pestigors be any different knowing how GW has been redoing past concepts lately? It looks warped and hunched and weird, as a pestigor should. I would prefer they weren't just gors with a pot belly. That look only works if they stuck with the BB2 look for the game, which is WHF units converted to BB. In BB2016 they are designing the models to be more unique to this separate universe.
I like the Pestigors as a complete package very much, but the heads are very hard to read. It might be the paintjob or it might be the sculpt, but a headswap for one of the great Nurgle heads ranging from fly to demon to unholy knight or a regular beastman head is easy in any case.
The not-BoN I don't have high hopes for, though, the BB Ogre and Troll are great, but the resin big uns and new star player so far were...not so hot.
Carlovonsexron wrote: The sculpt itself seems fine, its the design which is a bit weird.
I think you might be right there, twisted and all over the place is how chaos should be, I guess im just not a fan of the designs and upset that I waited for the nurgle team and then when it finally came, the only part I like is the rotters.
I reckon im just going to use the chaos team instead and add the rotters.
I just picked up the new WD myself and was very happy to see the Dark Elf cards included. I hope they include Nurgle in the next WD. It would be great to see them do this for every team that is released as they come out, or even have them throw the cards in the boxed sets in the future.
I thoroughly enjoy Blitz Bowl, and even more so, my wife, who isn't much of a miniature gamer, loves it. I also got another friend who is skeptical on minis playing BB7s through it. I really appreciate seeing the game get a bit of support.
Sabotage! wrote: I just picked up the new WD myself and was very happy to see the Dark Elf cards included. I hope they include Nurgle in the next WD. It would be great to see them do this for every team that is released as they come out, or even have them throw the cards in the boxed sets in the future.
I thoroughly enjoy Blitz Bowl, and even more so, my wife, who isn't much of a miniature gamer, loves it. I also got another friend who is skeptical on minis playing BB7s through it. I really appreciate seeing the game get a bit of support.
Agreed. My family and non-wargamer friends gladly play Blood Bowl, but won't touch a game like Frostgrave, Kill Team, Warhammer, Age of Sigmar, etc.
Some updates to the new Nurgle content:
The plague doctor and nurgling inducements have 0-1 limitation
Chaos Renegade can have plague doctor, but with limited usage (troll has ressurection)
Some publications (translated and digital) have conflicting/ambiguous team access to the new pestigor star player, this is however only availablen to Nurgle (as per the english physical version).
I have no doubt we'll get the Rotspawn preview, since it's out in the wild. I wonder if there will be any more previews? I can't imagine they will preview the year's last team on Twitch, especially because I doubt it will be released until November as we just got Nurgle.
Maybe another Star Player or something? I'm crossing my fingers for the next team, but not getting my hopes up.
So....no news and previews shown today? Guess they didn't really reveal squat, otherwise someone would have posted something by now. Weird they had an hour section for blood bowl news and previews but there's nothing to show for it.
, but they are glorious.
