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Post by: Sabotage!
 Thargrim wrote:So....no news and previews shown today? Guess they didn't really reveal squat, otherwise someone would have posted something by now. Weird they had an hour section for blood bowl news and previews but there's nothing to show for it.
I'm a bit curious about this myself. Maybe it was one of those lame "Look at the Nurgle team/ Dark Elf positionals we released! Even though you are paying to watch this and know quite well of their existence!" things.
I imagine if it was anything if note someone would have posted here, on Reddit, or on TFF.
I'm wondering when we will see previews for Delaque and the last Blood Bowl team of the year.....seems like we are getting awfully close with only two months of new releases left. Though I do suppose they could show them at Spiel late next month and release them two weeks later, like the Rotters.
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Post by: Thargrim
I heard on the BB facebook group the next blood bowl team would be revealed at spiel. This was apparently said on the twitch stream. I could imagine Delaque being previewed alongside the new BB team as well. Spiel isn't until the end of october though so we still have weeks and weeks to go.
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Post by: Sabotage!
Thanks for letting me know, I imagine Delaque will also be previewed at Spiel, I really can't see them just previewing them on WarCom or something. Bit of a bummer on the wait though.
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Post by: zamerion
When is Spiel?
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Post by: Chopstick
You can check the calendar at the bottom of the Warhammer Community site  It said 25th October.
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Post by: zamerion
Thanks! One month is a long time :(
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Post by: Carlovonsexron
I just hope its the lizzies lol
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Post by: Carlovonsexron
I want my lizardmen!
Although thr elf cheerleaders look interesting as the bases for cool conversion in the hands of other people (I cant see me buying the for myself)
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Post by: Theophony
Elven cheerleaders look like a reasonable midpoint between elf and Slaanesh demonette  .
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Post by: RobS
I haven't played Blood Bowl since 3e.
How does the current version compare?
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Post by: Sunny Side Up
 RobS wrote:I haven't played Blood Bowl since 3e.
How does the current version compare?
It's the same rules. It's virtually unchanged.
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Post by: RobS
OK, that's good. I'd had a bit of a poke about on the interwebs and wasn't sure.
Might be a Christmas present for the family (I. E me).
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Post by: The Phazer
Those are all pretty nice models. The cheerleaders are great.
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Post by: Donomar
Those are lovely models, the cheerleaders really stand out well. Will definitely be picking them up
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Post by: zamerion
So undeads next team
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Post by: stahly
Undead team revealed on the German Age of Sigmar Facebook page.
They look pretty "unique" compared to the Death range but it might be the paint job (please GW, let Specialist Games models be painted by 'Eavy Metal or at least the Army Painter team).
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Post by: Sabotage!
Ah heck yes, they look lovely too!
It looks like seven unique models there, I wonder how that will work. I suppose those Skeletons look pretty small and maybe they fit 7 models on each sprue.
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Post by: infinite_array
Really, really, really nailed it with the Undead team. Only complaint I can think of is wishing there was a little more of a difference between the Skeletons and the Wight.  Sabotage! wrote: It looks like seven unique models there, I wonder how that will work. I suppose those Skeletons look pretty small and maybe they fit 7 models on each sprue.
I doubt it, since it also messes with the Blitz Bowl teams and allowing FW to do alternate miniatures. My guess is a sprue will have 1 Mummy, 1 Wight, 1 Ghoul, 1 Skeleton, and 2 Zombies.
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Post by: Sabotage!
 infinite_array wrote:Really, really, really nailed it with the Undead team. Only complaint I can think of is wishing there was a little more of a difference between the Skeletons and the Wight.
Sabotage! wrote:
It looks like seven unique models there, I wonder how that will work. I suppose those Skeletons look pretty small and maybe they fit 7 models on each sprue.
I doubt it, since it also messes with the Blitz Bowl teams and allowing FW to do alternate miniatures.
My guess is a sprue will have 1 Mummy, 1 Wight, 1 Ghoul, 1 Skeleton, and 2 Zombies.
Yeah, that is my reaction also. There must be some pretty modular parts though. I suppose Undead could have more than 6 players for Blitz Bowl, Goblins get 8. Who knows if they will get rules though, I never saw any for the Nurgle team.
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Post by: infinite_array
Huh! I actually wasn't aware that Goblins got 8 players in Blitz Bowl.
The Dark Elves got their cards in a copy of White Dwarf, so more teams could be done the same. Or GW could put out a pack of cards at some point.
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Post by: sockwithaticket
I like that the ghoul (assuming that's what the purple skinned one is) seems a bit more human sized/proportioned than regular ghouls.
Neat looking team overall, paint on the zombies looks a bit off.
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Post by: Sabotage!
infinite_array wrote:Huh! I actually wasn't aware that Goblins got 8 players in Blitz Bowl.
The Dark Elves got their cards in a copy of White Dwarf, so more teams could be done the same. Or GW could put out a pack of cards at some point.
I really hope they do put out a card pack (I picked up the Dark Elf cards back in September) or something with further teams. Blitz Bowl is a blast, and it's one of my wife's favorite tabletop games, so any excuse to have more content is good by me!
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Post by: Thargrim
The look of the undead team really threw me off. They will probably grow on me. I think I'm just so used to the blood bowl 2 style.
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Post by: infinite_array
Sabotage! wrote: infinite_array wrote:Huh! I actually wasn't aware that Goblins got 8 players in Blitz Bowl. The Dark Elves got their cards in a copy of White Dwarf, so more teams could be done the same. Or GW could put out a pack of cards at some point.
I really hope they do put out a card pack (I picked up the Dark Elf cards back in September) or something with further teams. Blitz Bowl is a blast, and it's one of my wife's favorite tabletop games, so any excuse to have more content is good by me!
I'm thinking about picking it up this weekend, since everything I've seen about it makes me think "Blood Bowl but Shadespired," and I've taken a liking to how quickly and decisively Warhammer Underworlds plays. It's really be great if mini team packs in colored plastics come out, or even a second box set as a general release to game stores everywhere.
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Post by: Clockpunk
Can someone please repost the pic? It isnt showing up for me...
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Post by: Sabotage!
infinite_array wrote: Sabotage! wrote: infinite_array wrote:Huh! I actually wasn't aware that Goblins got 8 players in Blitz Bowl.
The Dark Elves got their cards in a copy of White Dwarf, so more teams could be done the same. Or GW could put out a pack of cards at some point.
I really hope they do put out a card pack (I picked up the Dark Elf cards back in September) or something with further teams. Blitz Bowl is a blast, and it's one of my wife's favorite tabletop games, so any excuse to have more content is good by me!
I'm thinking about picking it up this weekend, since everything I've seen about it makes me think "Blood Bowl but Shadespired," and I've taken a liking to how quickly and decisively Warhammer Underworlds plays.
It's really be great if mini team packs in colored plastics come out, or even a second box set as a general release to game stores everywhere.
I definitely think it's worth it, Blitz Bowl plays pretty quick and the cards are surprisingly fun. Seems to me a lot of people who aren't mini gamers enjoy it too. Colored plastic half teams or a second box for it would be great. They could even just lump two teams together as an expansion. For example they could take a sprue of Dwarves and one of Skaven, add a few new play cards and put it out for 40 or so USD.
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Post by: Donomar
Wow they really are doing great things with Blood Bowl at the moment. Really like those Undead models. The skeletons look great; can definitely see conversion potential as the basis for some Grave Guard conversions, very characterful.
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
Those are great sculpts.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Particularly taken with the Ghoul myself.
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Post by: Ernster
looks like I'm getting a new team.
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Post by: ImAGeek
Best looking team so far.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Armoured Mummies?
Awesome!
They're "classic" undead, before the Vampire Counts/Khemri split and the new AoS stuff.
So Ghouls, Zombies, Skeletons, Wights and Mummies.
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Post by: Chopstick
Hopefully there are enough space for a 2nd Ghoul and Wight variation.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Alsö wïk. If they can carry over that style of Zombie to AoS, I’ll be a happy camper!
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Post by: zamerion
I hope the ghoul has another head without a helmet.
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Post by: reds8n
2 sprues of 7 minis in the team apparently.
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Post by: Chopstick
A roster need at least 11 players to start.
In the case they actually make 7 guy on 2 normal sprue, and a box have 4 sprues, meaning they now have a lot of optional build, that'd be fantastic. Probably not happen.
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Post by: Vorian
2 sprues of 7, for 14 in total
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Post by: Rayvon
Chopstick wrote:
A roster need at least 11 players to start.
In the case they actually make 7 guy on 2 normal sprue, and a box have 4 sprues, meaning they now have a lot of optional build, that'd be fantastic. Probably not happen.
2 x 7 = 14
I really like that undead team, if I want to be picky i would rather that the mummy wasnt running but its only nitpicking.
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
Dear god, if you can't source alternative undead heads for these there is something Very wrong with you. 
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Post by: Yodhrin
 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Dear god, if you can't source alternative undead heads for these there is something Very wrong with you.
"There are no alternative undead heads in the world, woe...oh woe" is not what they said though, is it
There are alternative heads for almost everything available from somewhere, that doesn't change the value proposition for this product, which does not have any included.
EDIT: Also; classy, reacting to a perfectly reasonable remark with personal insults.
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Post by: zamerion
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Dear god, if you can't source alternative undead heads for these there is something Very wrong with you.
.
incredible that a person cant said what he would like.
I dont play BB and im buying a lot of BB teams for conversions.
They are making a very good faces/heads, better than AoS faces, so I would have liked to have more variety. Specially a ghoul without helmet.
it seems that they have put a miniature more in exchange for less bits
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Post by: AndrewGPaul
Not really; most of the other teams don't have much in the way of alternate parts either.
Fair enough that you'd like more variety, but 'm not sure it's worth singling out this team as a particular problem.
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Post by: zamerion
Nurgle for example has 2 diferent heads for the pestigor, 3 heads for 2 warriors, and 4 heads for 3 lines. ( in a sprue)
Im fine with undeads, but i love the artwork of the goul without helmet in the video 
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Post by: Sabotage!
Looks like this will be the first 14 player team, the last shot has 14 models in the frame with duplicates of each model. That's pretty cool and different. Good way to solve the zombie/skeleton issue.
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Post by: Baxx
Wait, they broke the rule of 12 models only in the box!!! How is this possible???
-2 Mummmies
-2 Wights
-2 Ghouls
-4 Skellies
-4 Zombies
Imagine if they ignored that rule for the other teams! 4 Blitzers on Human and Orc team - perfect. Additional Dwarf Blockers to "complete" the team, nice! 4 Gutter Runners on Skaven - yay! 4 Catchers for the Pro Elves. 4 Pestigors for Nurgle. But no, only Undead! At least they're not getting 4 Ghouls.
It's a very short distance to Necro and Khemri now!
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Nah we need High Elves and Lizzies.
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Post by: AndrewGPaul
Baxx wrote:Wait, they broke the rule of 12 models only in the box!!! How is this possible???
Technical limitations for bulkier models, I would imagine. Models with thicker limbs and torsos need to be two-part to get the flow right, whereas the thinner limbs of the skeletons and wights might mean that's not such an issue so they had enough room on the sprue for another model.
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Post by: Sabotage!
Baxx wrote:Wait, they broke the rule of 12 models only in the box!!! How is this possible???
-2 Mummmies
-2 Wights
-2 Ghouls
-4 Skellies
-4 Zombies
Imagine if they ignored that rule for the other teams! 4 Blitzers on Human and Orc team - perfect. Additional Dwarf Blockers to "complete" the team, nice! 4 Gutter Runners on Skaven - yay! 4 Catchers for the Pro Elves. 4 Pestigors for Nurgle. But no, only Undead! At least they're not getting 4 Ghouls.
It's a very short distance to Necro and Khemri now!
I think it's more an issue with the space on the sprue than number of miniatures, so it really doesn't surprise me that match. Those skeletons/zombies/ghouls all look to be pretty small. I don't think you can complain that Undead are getting 14 players though, they aren't getting max positionals, they are just getting two types of linemen. Necro could be pretty easily resolved with a Werewolf/Flesh Golem booster from FW, toss in another pair of zombies for good measure and you'd be set. Khemri will probably be pretty far down the line - I don't think they are a particularly well liked team from my experience with BB.
H.B.M.C. wrote:Nah we need High Elves and Lizzies.
I think Wood Elves are needed before High Elves (more unique playstyle in my opinion), but I agree on Lizzies. Now that Undead has a team, I think Lizzies are team that is most needed.
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Post by: Baxx
Would expect the 'standard' accessories:
-Undead ball rules (White Dwarf)
-Cards
-Dice
-Pitch (with new unique weather rules)
-Spike Magazine (with new inducements & star players)
-possible/future random selection of new star player(s) from Forge World
-possible/future booster pack for the last 2 Ghouls
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Post by: Ernster
So will they be the same price as the other teams or will there be an increase due to it being 14 models?
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Post by: ImAGeek
Ernster wrote:So will they be the same price as the other teams or will there be an increase due to it being 14 models?
Should be the same.
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Post by: Christophe
Love the ghoul and zombies. Like the coherence they gave to the team with the shoulder armors for all players. But I wish the skelies were less dynamic and the mummy not running, more mystical & and taller. This bulky running dude looks MV6 ST4, not MV3 ST5...
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Post by: decker_cky
Baxx wrote:Would expect the 'standard' accessories:
-Undead ball rules (White Dwarf)
-Cards
-Dice
-Pitch (with new unique weather rules)
-Spike Magazine (with new inducements & star players)
-possible/future random selection of new star player(s) from Forge World
-possible/future booster pack for the last 2 Ghouls
You know the booster pack will be a mummy, a wight, a ghoul and a skeleton, just to anger everyone. Automatically Appended Next Post: Christophe wrote:Love the ghoul and zombies. Like the coherence they gave to the team with the shoulder armors for all players. But I wish the skelies were less dynamic and the mummy not running, more mystical & and taller. This bulky running dude looks MV6 ST4, not MV3 ST5...
Blood bowl and warhammer mummies have always been undersized compared to their stats. The third edition BB mummies were essentially man-sized:
https://miniset.net/files/set/gw-99110999010.jpg
At least the current mummies are bigger.
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Post by: Baxx
decker_cky wrote: You know the booster pack will be a mummy, a wight, a ghoul and a skeleton, just to anger everyone.
Of course they make some ridonculous combination like that!
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Post by: Binabik15
The mummies are better Chaos Warriors than the actual BB ones 
Lizardmen HAVE to be next. And good. Please. I beg you, FW. Make them look like the Carnosaurus Oldblood.
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Post by: AndrewGPaul
Well, yes. That's because mummes are made from men (well, humans). I don't understand why they should be bigger? Automatically Appended Next Post: The 3rd edition rulebook has Humans, Orcs, Dwarfs, High Elves, Dark Elves and Skaven. We've seen all of these except High Elves (swapped for Elven Union).
Death Zone had Chaos, Goblins, Undead, Halflings, Wood Elves and Chaos Dwarfs. They could follow that progression, but they've already deviated with Elven Union and Nurgle's Rotters, and Halflings and Chaos Dwarfs are a bit niche, so who knows ...
High Elves and Wood Elves could be conversion sets for the Elven Union, depending on what sort of look they want for them, I suppose.
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Post by: Baxx
They should be bigger because they are Str 5, which is a big guy characteristic. Also, all models were small back then. A terminator would probably be the size of a space marine today.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Nower days Space Marines aren't even the size of Space Marines.
And Mummies aren't 'Big Guys'.
[EDIT]: Meant "aren't", not "are". Completely opposite of what I wrote originally. Sorry!
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Post by: AndrewGPaul
Is this something from the Living rules? Is "Big Guy" an actual player type now?
And if a Chaos Warrior or Black Orc gets a Str increase, does he become a Big Guy?
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Post by: Souleater
Mummies can be very frail looking (desiccation and whatnot) in a lot of the portrayals of them.
They can also be inhumanely strong without needing big bulky muscles because they are undead.
While I don't play BB I will be picking up these guys just to paint them. I think their character is great.
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Post by: Sabotage!
 Souleater wrote:Mummies can be very frail looking (desiccation and whatnot) in a lot of the portrayals of them.
They can also be inhumanely strong without needing big bulky muscles because they are undead.
While I don't play BB I will be picking up these guys just to paint them. I think their character is great.
This, this so much. Mummies are super strong without muscles because they are not natural. Even in the old black and white Universal films they would pick up fully grown men singlehandedly. They are also super slow. It's kind of their schtick. I'm glad they aren't Ogre sized in this kit personally.
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Post by: Zetan
To me, "supernaturally strong" gets you a 1-point strength increase for your size. Hence why vampires don't need to be buff to be ST4; they can be built like a human lineman.
I like this a lot, because they're big enough to be ST4 now (I think they'll look similarly buff to, say, a black orc), so the supernatural mummy strength gets them up to 5.
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Post by: Dew
I love the look of this undead team, bravo.
But where is my Rotspawn?!
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Post by: puig2233
Baxx wrote:Wait, they broke the rule of 12 models only in the box!!! How is this possible???
-2 Mummmies
-2 Wights
-2 Ghouls
-4 Skellies
-4 Zombies
Imagine if they ignored that rule for the other teams! 4 Blitzers on Human and Orc team - perfect. Additional Dwarf Blockers to "complete" the team, nice! 4 Gutter Runners on Skaven - yay! 4 Catchers for the Pro Elves. 4 Pestigors for Nurgle. But no, only Undead! At least they're not getting 4 Ghouls.
It's a very short distance to Necro and Khemri now!
for the extra two ghouls you can get the gouls blister from mantic 3bucks and you are done, 16 player yeha
33ish dollars fot a full team 
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Post by: BigDaddio
legitimately lol'd when I saw "life-challenged teams"
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Post by: Thargrim
The zombie goblin and chainsaw skeleton would be such cool models.
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Post by: RobS
Are the teams and rules in the link below valid for the current edition of Blood Bowl? I had a read around and wasn't sure.
Cheers,
https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/blood_bowl/teams_of_legend_en.pdf
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Post by: Chopstick
The rules and stats didn't change in current edition, they did however nerf C-POMB by changing the Piles On skill, and maybe some of the extra rule outside the pitch have minor change. Also the stat for all the players are included in the team box.
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Post by: ekwatts
Teams of Legend is all valid until it isn't, basically.
If you buy the starter box only and you have a team that has not yet been specifically covered in either the Death Zones/Almanac and/or SPIKE! magazines then Teams of Legend is fine.
Otherwise, you'll need the specific supplement that the team has been covered by for the up-to-date rules/roster.
As an example:
Lizardmen and Chaos Dwarf rosters are currently only covered by the Teams of Legend pdf, though you may need the Almanac/Death Zone Season 1 for the special rules for some of the players.
Chaos Renegades(/Pact), High Elves, Chaos or Goblins, however, would require their respective supplements.
Bear in mind that SOME teams have seen some roster changes between the old LRB6/Teams of Legend and their new incarnations in BB2016, but most have remained pretty much the same. In every case I can think of, the roster change has included additional players rather than any subtraction, so it's probably fine to still use the Teams of Legend roster regardless as long as you otherwise have some way of obtaining and using the special rules for the different positionals, skills, etc.
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Post by: Strg Alt
Christophe wrote:Love the ghoul and zombies. Like the coherence they gave to the team with the shoulder armors for all players. But I wish the skelies were less dynamic and the mummy not running, more mystical & and taller. This bulky running dude looks MV6 ST4, not MV3 ST5...
I am fine with the mummy as it is obviously using GFI at the moment. Automatically Appended Next Post:  AndrewGPaul wrote:Is this something from the Living rules? Is "Big Guy" an actual player type now?
And if a Chaos Warrior or Black Orc gets a Str increase, does he become a Big Guy?
Big guys are large players like ogres, trolls & minotaurs. And no, players don´t become Big Guys with a STR increase and Big Guys stay Big Guys even when they accumulate injuries which decrease their STR from 5 to 3.
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Post by: Niiai
 stahly wrote:Undead team revealed on the German Age of Sigmar Facebook page.
They look pretty "unique" compared to the Death range but it might be the paint job (please GW, let Specialist Games models be painted by 'Eavy Metal or at least the Army Painter team).
This is AWSOME. Good models, for a very funn team. Nice to see one of the 4 undeads teams get some love. I kitbashed my own Kherni team based on old models. But these models ar great.
Most lists run no skeletons. And 3 to 4 ghouls. So it is a pitty we would probabky need to buy 2 of this to get all of them. The spruce would have done better with changing out 1 skeleton with 1 ghoul. Netting a total 2 skeletons, 4 zombies, 4 ghouls, 2 mummies and 2 wheights. But stil, very awsome.
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Post by: ekwatts
 Niiai wrote: stahly wrote:Undead team revealed on the German Age of Sigmar Facebook page.
They look pretty "unique" compared to the Death range but it might be the paint job (please GW, let Specialist Games models be painted by 'Eavy Metal or at least the Army Painter team).
This is AWSOME. Good models, for a very funn team. Nice to see one of the 4 undeads teams get some love. I kitbashed my own Kherni team based on old models. But these models ar great.
Most lists run no skeletons. And 3 to 4 ghouls. So it is a pitty we would probabky need to buy 2 of this to get all of them. The spruce would have done better with changing out 1 skeleton with 1 ghoul. Netting a total 2 skeletons, 4 zombies, 4 ghouls, 2 mummies and 2 wheights. But stil, very awsome.
You've had to buy two of almost every single box in order to fill out all positionals if there isn't a Forgeworld booster.
This is getting so old it's not even funny at this point.
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Post by: Niiai
Well some teams needs a bench at some point. Getting 13 models is not that unheard of.
Many of the others are fine. Orks can be fixed with painting them differently. Dwarfes have all they need. Itvis not so bad.
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Post by: RobS
 ekwatts wrote:Teams of Legend is all valid until it isn't, basically.
If you buy the starter box only and you have a team that has not yet been specifically covered in either the Death Zones/Almanac and/or SPIKE! magazines then Teams of Legend is fine.
Otherwise, you'll need the specific supplement that the team has been covered by for the up-to-date rules/roster.
As an example:
Lizardmen and Chaos Dwarf rosters are currently only covered by the Teams of Legend pdf, though you may need the Almanac/Death Zone Season 1 for the special rules for some of the players.
Chaos Renegades(/Pact), High Elves, Chaos or Goblins, however, would require their respective supplements.
Bear in mind that SOME teams have seen some roster changes between the old LRB6/Teams of Legend and their new incarnations in BB2016, but most have remained pretty much the same. In every case I can think of, the roster change has included additional players rather than any subtraction, so it's probably fine to still use the Teams of Legend roster regardless as long as you otherwise have some way of obtaining and using the special rules for the different positionals, skills, etc.
Ta, after the current rules for a Lizardman team. Well, tbh I only wanted to check what players they have to convert up a team. Rules can wait.
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Post by: Baxx
zamerion wrote:Is anyone watching the twitch? 1) Undead preorder at 1 Dec.
2) Necromantic will be a full kit (not a booster).
3) Orc booster is “close” to be released.
Hey what happened to the picture of the star players?!?
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Post by: Toofast
I'm waiting for lizardmen to jump in.
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Post by: Baxx
The new Necromancer rules are almost identical as before, however the Necromancer is not the head coach instead of a coaching staff similar to the Apothecary.
Does this mean that you can't 'Raise the Dead' if being sent of for Arguing the Call?
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Post by: decker_cky
ekwatts wrote:You've had to buy two of almost every single box in order to fill out all positionals if there isn't a Forgeworld booster.
This is getting so old it's not even funny at this point.
It's a bit more of a mixed bag than you say.
Dwarfs and Chaos don't need a second box - dwarfs are fine as is (plus deathroller if its to taste) and chaos + minotaur is generally all you need.
Pro elfs will want 4 catchers eventually, but the first box probably covers you for ~10 games.
Goblins were done a bit funny - they should have included trolls or secret weapons, so as is you need to buy a bunch extra. You certainly don't need another box of goblins unless you're converting.
Humans, Orcs, Skaven, Nurgle and Dark Elfs are all missing key positionals.
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Post by: Baxx
I would really prefer a 7th Dwarf blocker just to be covered in all situations (1 player in reserves if playing without Death Roller).
If I were to decide the contents of the box, I would NEVER make the boxes GW have put out now. It should be an opportunity to perfection the contents:
Orcs: 4 blitzers, 4 black orcs, 4 line, 1 troll, 2 throwers, 1-4 goblins
Humans: 4 blitzers, 2 throwers, 1 ogre, 6 line, 3-4 catchers
Dwarf: 2 blitzers, 2 slayers, 2 runners, 7 blockers, 1 death roller
Dark Elf: 4 blitzers, 2 runners, 2 assassins, 2 witches, 6 line
Goblins: 2 trolls, 1 fanatic, 1 bomma, 1 doom diver, 1 pogo, 1 ooligan, 1 looney, 8 goblins
Pro Elf: 2 blitzers, 2 throwers, 4 catchers, 6 line
Chaos are actually quite perfect with 4 chaos warriors and 8 beastmen. Very rarely would want more beastmen than that.
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Post by: Sabotage!
Some of the teams compositions in the boxes can get quite frustrating, I agree. Others it's not such a big deal.
Undead ideally would have more Ghouls and less Skeletons, but starting with 2 ghouls isn't absolutely terrible (I think the Ideal build is 3 ghouls and 3 rerolls). Skaven could be better, but are playable.
The ones that really get me are Dark Elves and Humans, both those teams really need 4 Blitzers to succeed, and it could have been really easily done with Humans. Orcs could have benefited a lot from more Black Orcs and Blitzers, but at the very least they are easy to convert from other lines (I just swapped two 'Ardboy heads on two of the linemen for Blitzers and very minimally converted two Orruk Brutes for Black Orcs).
That said, even buying two boxes of the GW teams is usually cheaper than the decent 3rd party teams (some of which are pretty awesome), and gives you extra models for conversions and what not.
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Post by: RobS
I'm planning to convert up a team on the cheap.
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Post by: ekwatts
Sabotage! wrote:That said, even buying two boxes of the GW teams is usually cheaper than the decent 3rd party teams (some of which are pretty awesome), and gives you extra models for conversions and what not.
This is the absolute end point, and destroys any further argument on the subject.
The sprues are packed. GW were only ever going to support Blood Bowl with plastic if it were cost effective. The way you make it cost-effective is a single sprue that is then doubled up in a box. As far as positionals vs the number of models you can physically fit onto a sprue, they have to make a choice. GW aren't necessarily trying to fleece anyone: A full roster consists of 16 models, and they weren't going to fit that number on the sprue, particularly not for teams who have odd-numbered positionals. Which means that, with the boxes priced at retailers between £16-£18, most people were likely to end up buying another box anyway. In that situation, they aren't going to put four blitzers in a box since that way you'd end up with eight if you doubled on the box. Whereas eight linemen? Fine, after all, you can paint a few up as Journeymen!
And, to reiterate, buying two boxes still ends up cheaper than buying the same (or far fewer) miniatures from literally any other manufacturer, even GWs own old metal team boxes (that consisted of 11 players) were, I believe, nearly £40 themselves before Specialist Games were folded.
And if your complaint is down to duplicate sculpts... It's a duplicate sprue. You were always going to be disappointed so complaining is redundant.
I've been through the bad old days and the current state of Blood Bowl is basically what I always wanted. You can buy and assemble multiple teams with filled rosters, primarily in plastic, for the cheapest price in the history of the game. Are we really complaining about a treasured old game being resurrected and ending up in a better state than it has ever been in at any other stage in its history?
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Post by: Rayvon
So which GW do you work at ?
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Post by: ekwatts
I'm going to put this in the "can't actually refute my argument so try and say something snide" category.
Have a nice day.
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Post by: Rayvon
ekwatts wrote:
I'm going to put this in the "can't actually refute my argument so try and say something snide" category.
Have a nice day.
Instead of the bad joke category ?
Cheer up !
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Post by: ekwatts
 Rayvon wrote: ekwatts wrote:
I'm going to put this in the "can't actually refute my argument so try and say something snide" category.
Have a nice day.
Instead of the bad joke category ?
Cheer up !
Oh fair enough, sometimes the rampant negativity is infectious.
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Post by: Rayvon
Im just not very amusing !
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Post by: Baxx
ekwatts wrote: Sabotage! wrote:That said, even buying two boxes of the GW teams is usually cheaper than the decent 3rd party teams (some of which are pretty awesome), and gives you extra models for conversions and what not.
This is the absolute end point, and destroys any further argument on the subject. The sprues are packed. GW were only ever going to support Blood Bowl with plastic if it were cost effective. The way you make it cost-effective is a single sprue that is then doubled up in a box. As far as positionals vs the number of models you can physically fit onto a sprue, they have to make a choice. GW aren't necessarily trying to fleece anyone: A full roster consists of 16 models, and they weren't going to fit that number on the sprue, particularly not for teams who have odd-numbered positionals. Which means that, with the boxes priced at retailers between £16-£18, most people were likely to end up buying another box anyway. In that situation, they aren't going to put four blitzers in a box since that way you'd end up with eight if you doubled on the box. Whereas eight linemen? Fine, after all, you can paint a few up as Journeymen! And, to reiterate, buying two boxes still ends up cheaper than buying the same (or far fewer) miniatures from literally any other manufacturer, even GWs own old metal team boxes (that consisted of 11 players) were, I believe, nearly £40 themselves before Specialist Games were folded. And if your complaint is down to duplicate sculpts... It's a duplicate sprue. You were always going to be disappointed so complaining is redundant. I've been through the bad old days and the current state of Blood Bowl is basically what I always wanted. You can buy and assemble multiple teams with filled rosters, primarily in plastic, for the cheapest price in the history of the game. Are we really complaining about a treasured old game being resurrected and ending up in a better state than it has ever been in at any other stage in its history?
Sure the sprues are good. But have you seen the numerous discussions here, on boardgamegeek, talkfantasyfootball or other places where new players ask how to create their team using only the 12-player team from box/starter set? The first thing they're met with is that the team is incomplete and handicapped. You need 4 blitzers. Nobody plays without 4 blitzers. Ever. So they are then given friendly advice about either using some paint to try and distinguish some line positionals as blitzers or convert some. I think this would be a great opportunity to sell perfect boxes, not a box that would leave so many new players handicapped.
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Post by: Easy E
My family has been playing the game just fine with the 12 man boxes in our home league.
<shrug>
So, is the Undead the last team of 2018?
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Post by: Yodhrin
 Easy E wrote:My family has been playing the game just fine with the 12 man boxes in our home league.
<shrug>
So, is the Undead the last team of 2018?
It's possible for a human being to remain perfectly alive on prison rations, that doesn't mean they're ideal. "It's functional" is not equivalent to "it's as good as it could be".
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Post by: Easy E
 Yodhrin wrote: Easy E wrote:My family has been playing the game just fine with the 12 man boxes in our home league.
<shrug>
So, is the Undead the last team of 2018?
It's possible for a human being to remain perfectly alive on prison rations, that doesn't mean they're ideal. "It's functional" is not equivalent to "it's as good as it could be".
Edited: Neither News or Rumors.....
Is the next team going to be spring 2019?
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Post by: Zetan
Assuming they stick with the stated goal of 4 teams per year, yes. Also, I've been putting together a list of what teams are left from the old edition, and I thought others might enjoy the list (along with my analysis of which ones seem likely next):
-High Elf
-Wood Elf
These are the two teams left from Death Zone Season 1 that still haven't been made yet. We have to assume they're near the top of the list, even if plans have changed a fair bit since that book came out. Plus, one assumes that there's enough similarity with the existing elf teams that they might have an easier time creating them now that they've already done two.
-Necromantic Horror
-Khemri Tomb Kings
-Vampire
The undead teams. Since Shambling Undead is coming, Necromantic Horror is likely not far behind (since it shares two positions) and the others would make sense as well, thematically.
-Lizardmen
-Ogre
-Chaos Dwarf
In order from most to least likely, these are the rest of the teams that had an associated Warhammer Fantasy army, and therefore have more brand recognition and less creative work to create than the rest.
-Amazon
-Norse
-Halfling
These three have never had a Warhammer Fantasy army, so their creative design has to be done almost entirely from scratch. I think they'll very likely leave these 3 for last, but they might surprise us.
That's 11 teams, so we should have them all before the end of 2021, assuming they keep to this schedule. Then they can start working on new teams; personally, I'm hoping for Khorne, Tzeentch, and Slaanesh (it always seemed weird to me that Nurgle got a team and the others didn't) and wouldn't be suprised to see Bretonnia or Slann (since pseudo-official rules already exist for them). After that... maybe Sea Elves? Fimir? Stormcast? No reason they can't dig deep into Warhammer's past or borrow from Age of Sigmar when expanding the Blood Bowl universe.
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Post by: JimmyWolf87
Based on their interactions on the Twitch streams etc. they are fairly aware of which teams would be popular/make sense. From my experience, Lizardmen are basically the one with the most support (to the extent that it's almost a meme on official BB chat) with Wood Elves being close behind (plus they see a lot of time on the table as they're a top tier Team).
High Elves need doing but are probably the least enjoyed of the 4 Elf races. After that... who knows? They want to mess around with a few rosters (ala the new Goblin positionals) which Halflings and maybe Ogres seem prime candidates for. Maybe even Vampires.
They have categorically said no Stormcast. To the eternal joy of the majority.
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Post by: ekwatts
Baxx wrote: ekwatts wrote: Sabotage! wrote:That said, even buying two boxes of the GW teams is usually cheaper than the decent 3rd party teams (some of which are pretty awesome), and gives you extra models for conversions and what not.
This is the absolute end point, and destroys any further argument on the subject.
The sprues are packed. GW were only ever going to support Blood Bowl with plastic if it were cost effective. The way you make it cost-effective is a single sprue that is then doubled up in a box. As far as positionals vs the number of models you can physically fit onto a sprue, they have to make a choice. GW aren't necessarily trying to fleece anyone: A full roster consists of 16 models, and they weren't going to fit that number on the sprue, particularly not for teams who have odd-numbered positionals. Which means that, with the boxes priced at retailers between £16-£18, most people were likely to end up buying another box anyway. In that situation, they aren't going to put four blitzers in a box since that way you'd end up with eight if you doubled on the box. Whereas eight linemen? Fine, after all, you can paint a few up as Journeymen!
And, to reiterate, buying two boxes still ends up cheaper than buying the same (or far fewer) miniatures from literally any other manufacturer, even GWs own old metal team boxes (that consisted of 11 players) were, I believe, nearly £40 themselves before Specialist Games were folded.
And if your complaint is down to duplicate sculpts... It's a duplicate sprue. You were always going to be disappointed so complaining is redundant.
I've been through the bad old days and the current state of Blood Bowl is basically what I always wanted. You can buy and assemble multiple teams with filled rosters, primarily in plastic, for the cheapest price in the history of the game. Are we really complaining about a treasured old game being resurrected and ending up in a better state than it has ever been in at any other stage in its history?
Sure the sprues are good. But have you seen the numerous discussions here, on boardgamegeek, talkfantasyfootball or other places where new players ask how to create their team using only the 12-player team from box/starter set? The first thing they're met with is that the team is incomplete and handicapped. You need 4 blitzers. Nobody plays without 4 blitzers. Ever. So they are then given friendly advice about either using some paint to try and distinguish some line positionals as blitzers or convert some.
I think this would be a great opportunity to sell perfect boxes, not a box that would leave so many new players handicapped.
Yes, I have seen the incessant complaining that goes on on internet forums. None of the whining does anything to challenge what I've already pointed out about the boxes and, specifically, the makeup of the sprues themselves, though.
A "perfect" box would cost about the same as buying two of the current boxes. Except it wouldn't because it just wouldn't be cost-effective and therefore would never be produced and therefore wouldn't exist.
Blood Bowl was never going to be brought back unless it could be made the best possible game for the slimmest possible price. You're effectively complaining that it exists at all.
Thing is, I get it. I'd love the boxes to be a one-stop shop for a complete team roster. But I'm also living in the real world where adults don't always get what they want, and also a fairly well prioritised list of wants in which "being able to play a modern, well-supported version of Blood Bowl with affordable plastic miniatures and good supplements" is higher up that list than "getting the exact specific thing I wanted, with no regard to how economically realistic that might be".
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Post by: Carlovonsexron
What/whens the next event that would preview or reveal tue next team?
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Post by: Easy E
Zetan wrote:
Assuming they stick with the stated goal of 4 teams per year, yes. Also, I've been putting together a list of what teams are left from the old edition, and I thought others might enjoy the list (along with my analysis of which ones seem likely next):
-High Elf
-Wood Elf
These are the two teams left from Death Zone Season 1 that still haven't been made yet. We have to assume they're near the top of the list, even if plans have changed a fair bit since that book came out. Plus, one assumes that there's enough similarity with the existing elf teams that they might have an easier time creating them now that they've already done two.
-Necromantic Horror
-Khemri Tomb Kings
-Vampire
The undead teams. Since Shambling Undead is coming, Necromantic Horror is likely not far behind (since it shares two positions) and the others would make sense as well, thematically.
-Lizardmen
-Ogre
-Chaos Dwarf
In order from most to least likely, these are the rest of the teams that had an associated Warhammer Fantasy army, and therefore have more brand recognition and less creative work to create than the rest.
-Amazon
-Norse
-Halfling
These three have never had a Warhammer Fantasy army, so their creative design has to be done almost entirely from scratch. I think they'll very likely leave these 3 for last, but they might surprise us.
That's 11 teams, so we should have them all before the end of 2021, assuming they keep to this schedule. Then they can start working on new teams; personally, I'm hoping for Khorne, Tzeentch, and Slaanesh (it always seemed weird to me that Nurgle got a team and the others didn't) and wouldn't be suprised to see Bretonnia or Slann (since pseudo-official rules already exist for them). After that... maybe Sea Elves? Fimir? Stormcast? No reason they can't dig deep into Warhammer's past or borrow from Age of Sigmar when expanding the Blood Bowl universe.
A good list!
I have also always wonder why Nurgle gets a team and no one else? Seems like something that could change. If I was them, I would do three "established" teams a year and 1 new one just to keep things spicy. However, I have no idea what that means on the back-end of the pipeline.
I wonder if we will see Wood and High Elves so soon after Dark and Elf Union teams? I feel like they would need to rename the game Elf Bowl!
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Post by: Thargrim
More than any other team I'd like to see chorfs, simply cause out of all the old teams they are the one I remember the most with those big hats. I don't see how they are unlikely, they seem pretty popular and are powerful and it would be easier to fit them one a plastic sprue than ogres or even Norse cause norse has a lot of unique units and they can't all make it onto one sprue.
The demand for Lizardmen seems to be high though and id expect them and one of the remaining elf teams to help fill out what might be four at most new kits next year.
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Post by: Sabotage!
Thargrim wrote:More than any other team I'd like to see chorfs, simply cause out of all the old teams they are the one I remember the most with those big hats. I don't see how they are unlikely, they seem pretty popular and are powerful and it would be easier to fit them one a plastic sprue than ogres or even Norse cause norse has a lot of unique units and they can't all make it onto one sprue.
The demand for Lizardmen seems to be high though and id expect them and one of the remaining elf teams to help fill out what might be four at most new kits next year.
I definitely think we will see Chaos Dwarfs sooner than later. They are one of GW's more unique creations and they don't have plastic equivalent from which they are easily converted.
My bets next year are: Wood Elves, Lizardmen, Chaos Dwarves, and either High Elves or Necromantic.
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Post by: Carlovonsexron
I hope the lizards come soon. I'd jump into blood bowl with a lizard team, as none of the others really interest me.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I think lizard men are going to depend on whether there's any work going on on the Seraphon for AoS,
they're not going to want to put out lizard men who don't fit the upcoming aesthetic if there are changes planned, and they're not going to want to bloodbowl versions before the AoS release,
but if they're not planning anything at the moment a bloodbowl release for the team makes sense as one of the next batch
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Post by: ekwatts
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:I think lizard men are going to depend on whether there's any work going on on the Seraphon for AoS,
they're not going to want to put out lizard men who don't fit the upcoming aesthetic if there are changes planned, and they're not going to want to bloodbowl versions before the AoS release,
but if they're not planning anything at the moment a bloodbowl release for the team makes sense as one of the next batch
Not sure that they're as restricted as that, to be honest. Blood Bowl is an alternate universe equivalent of the old Warhammer, which makes it two steps removed from Age of Sigmar, and there are already a couple of differences between Blood Bowl teams and their AoS equivalents. The undead team, for instance, has quite different looking ghouls. The humans have no real visual equivalent in AoS currently. Neither do the Dwarves. If anything, I'd say that Blood Bowl adds an extra layer on top in that the models need to look somewhat equipped for a (violent) sports game rather than combat, which is yet another step away from AoS and even ye olde Warhammer. That means they can kind of do almost anything they like in terms of the designs just so long as a few specific design cues are followed. Hence why some of the teams so far have been so visually interesting/different.
Other than perhaps the Nurgle team, I wouldn't say there's been much confluence between the AoS releases and Blood Bowl releases.
If anything, a Lizardman team is going to be a spin on "old" Lizardmen of the Warhammer universe, not whatever redesign may occur at some indeterminate point in the future for the AoS iteration.
All that said, I'm really looking forward to what they might do with the Chaos Dwarf team. I like their Blood Bowl II video game representation, so I'm hoping something along those lines.
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Post by: JimmyWolf87
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:I think lizard men are going to depend on whether there's any work going on on the Seraphon for AoS,
they're not going to want to put out lizard men who don't fit the upcoming aesthetic if there are changes planned, and they're not going to want to bloodbowl versions before the AoS release,
but if they're not planning anything at the moment a bloodbowl release for the team makes sense as one of the next batch
Whilst there's a healthy dose of logic here, I'm not sure AoS will have any influence on the design aesthetics of any Blood Bowl release (it hasn't really so far). They're their own set of sculptors and designers and seem keen to retain links to 2nd/3rd edition. Plus I think there's a tacit understanding that a lot of Blood Bowlers are grumpy old men/Longbeards who will curse into their dice cups and chunter for hours at the mere hint of AoS creeping into Blood Bowl.
Don't hold me to it but I suspect we'll see Lizards for Blood Bowl long before anything for Seraphon and I'd be surprised if they deviated too much from the 'classic' look of the team. Most of their designs haven't (Dwarves and the Chaos Blockers are the only exceptions of note I can think of right now). Andy already said that Chorfs will retain the silly hats for example.
They've pulled some surprises but I'd put (modest) money on WElves and Lizards as 2 of the 4 for 2019. After that, who knows? HElves wouldn't be a shock. Wildcard of Halflings or Norse.
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Post by: AduroT
We saw high Elves and dark elves without AoS releases for those, and the dwarves don’t look like either of their current dwarf lines.
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Post by: pogey
ekwatts wrote:Baxx wrote:
Yes, I have seen the incessant complaining that goes on on internet forums. None of the whining does anything to challenge what I've already pointed out about the boxes and, specifically, the makeup of the sprues themselves, though.
A "perfect" box would cost about the same as buying two of the current boxes. Except it wouldn't because it just wouldn't be cost-effective and therefore would never be produced and therefore wouldn't exist.
Blood Bowl was never going to be brought back unless it could be made the best possible game for the slimmest possible price. You're effectively complaining that it exists at all.
Thing is, I get it. I'd love the boxes to be a one-stop shop for a complete team roster. But I'm also living in the real world where adults don't always get what they want, and also a fairly well prioritised list of wants in which "being able to play a modern, well-supported version of Blood Bowl with affordable plastic miniatures and good supplements" is higher up that list than "getting the exact specific thing I wanted, with no regard to how economically realistic that might be".
Couldn't they have just made boxes with 2 sprues of 8 models and just upped the price by %25? I would pay that.
I see your point and I largely agree with you, it might not be so simple as making the sprue bigger and bumping up the price a little. Part of me feels like they just went with how they packaged the old metal boxes without considering it despite the change at the end there with the 16 man human team.
At this point I haven't actually bought any of the new teams because I am waiting for them to fill out the starting roster for the teams I want
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Post by: Thargrim
JimmyWolf87 wrote: OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:I think lizard men are going to depend on whether there's any work going on on the Seraphon for AoS,
they're not going to want to put out lizard men who don't fit the upcoming aesthetic if there are changes planned, and they're not going to want to bloodbowl versions before the AoS release,
but if they're not planning anything at the moment a bloodbowl release for the team makes sense as one of the next batch
Whilst there's a healthy dose of logic here, I'm not sure AoS will have any influence on the design aesthetics of any Blood Bowl release (it hasn't really so far). They're their own set of sculptors and designers and seem keen to retain links to 2nd/3rd edition. Plus I think there's a tacit understanding that a lot of Blood Bowlers are grumpy old men/Longbeards who will curse into their dice cups and chunter for hours at the mere hint of AoS creeping into Blood Bowl.
Don't hold me to it but I suspect we'll see Lizards for Blood Bowl long before anything for Seraphon and I'd be surprised if they deviated too much from the 'classic' look of the team. Most of their designs haven't (Dwarves and the Chaos Blockers are the only exceptions of note I can think of right now). Andy already said that Chorfs will retain the silly hats for example.
They've pulled some surprises but I'd put (modest) money on WElves and Lizards as 2 of the 4 for 2019. After that, who knows? HElves wouldn't be a shock. Wildcard of Halflings or Norse.
How long ago did Andy mention the chorfs? If that decision for the hats has already been made it may indicate they are at the very least in the design process already. Seeing as how the legion of azgorh is now the age of sigmar look I could see them backtracking to a more nostalgic blood bowl style for them.
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Post by: ekwatts
pogey wrote:Couldn't they have just made boxes with 2 sprues of 8 models and just upped the price by %25? I would pay that.
I see your point and I largely agree with you, it might not be so simple as making the sprue bigger and bumping up the price a little. Part of me feels like they just went with how they packaged the old metal boxes without considering it despite the change at the end there with the 16 man human team.
At this point I haven't actually bought any of the new teams because I am waiting for them to fill out the starting roster for the teams I want
No, because they're a business and they want you to buy two boxes/a box and the forgeworld boosters/star players/big guys.
Sprue sizes are mostly fixed to a few different overall frame sizes. The Blood Bowl frames are the average "troop" size they use for most infantry. Any bigger and you're getting into vehicle territory. It's far, far cheaper to design a single sprue and cast it twice than it is to design two different sprues.
And it's not as if GW don't pack those sprues as full as they can. Some might not see the need for the coins and markers and extra balls that come on the sprues, but you can understand why they're there. And, even though the sprues are pretty stuffed, you STILL have people complaining at the lack of options like different heads and so on.
I don't see a comparison with the old metal boxes. They came with the absolute bare minimum: 11 players, and comparatively cost more than two of the current plastic boxes cost. That's not counting the tokens, balls and starting rosters that the new boxes come with.
The new boxes are about selling a box of plastic figures that will give a player a starting lineup that they can use with the Blood Bowl boxed game. They aren't about giving you a min/maxed tournament-ready team. There are few teams, really, that you could conceivably fit the usual preferred 16-man lineup into a regular infantry box using a repeated sprue. You might manage it with one team but be wildly off with another. So GW went for a setup for each box that worked in terms of replicating enough linemen, while still trying to provide a team roster on the included rules sheet that would be competitive with the other team boxes. NOT with other peoples pro-level tournament-ready teams.
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Post by: Binabik15
BB boxes are so affordable compared to other GW stuff that I don't flinch at the thought of buying multiples. I'd rather have more models and specialists per box of course, but a double box team is still less than some AoS or 40k infantry boxes you'd have bought for conversions back in the metal days. Most full teams with big guys and positionals should be less than a RRP video game, which is often the upper limit people want their skirmish band/board game add-on/BB team to be.
I love converting, though, so a second Ork team and a few bits as well as a few cuts is more attractive to me and cheaper than the resin booster.
The only flop is IMO the goblin team. They really should come with 16 in a box or have secret weapons on the sprue, getting less gobbos than Undeads and the same as Orcs or Rotters is bananas.
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Post by: TBD
zamerion wrote:https://www.forgeworld.co. uk/en- NL/Blood-Bowl-Orc-Booster-2018
Orc booster!
I'm not going to pay €31,- for three resin alternate poses and a useless Thrower. Why noy include a fourth Blitzer instead of that fething Thrower?? This seems like a pretty useless product.
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Post by: Baxx
Hmm, buy 4 orc resin FW booster packs to fill out my 2 orc teams? More than 120€.
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Post by: Easy E
At least they are alternate sculpts.
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Post by: JWBS
Is that two linemen, a blitzer and a thrower? :S
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Post by: ImAGeek
JWBS wrote:Is that two linemen, a blitzer and a thrower? :S
2 black orcs, a blitzer and a thrower.
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Post by: Thargrim
The undead team is being sold with slot bases instead of flat ones and the team is not intended for those. Just an annoyance cause now the slots have to be filled on all the bases. Please don't do that next time GW, if the models dont use the slots then put some normal 32mm bases in the box instead.
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Post by: Sabotage!
Thargrim wrote:The undead team is being sold with slot bases instead of flat ones and the team is not intended for those. Just an annoyance cause now the slots have to be filled on all the bases. Please don't do that next time GW, if the models dont use the slots then put some normal 32mm bases in the box instead.
That is super frustrating. The Chaos team has little bits on their feet that fit into the slot, but don't fill the whole slot in, and having the green stuff it in for every miniature was incredibly obnoxious. I'll have two boxes of bases to fill in when I get mine : (.
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Post by: Chopstick
They use the blood bowl base so that you have the hole for ball carry.
But if this is their new direction then I expect them to fill the slot on the base, and leave the hole, they did this to a lot of their slot base to repurpose them as normal base.
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Post by: Fajita Fan
 TBD wrote:zamerion wrote:https://www.forgeworld.co. uk/en- NL/Blood-Bowl-Orc-Booster-2018
Orc booster!
I'm not going to pay €31,- for three resin alternate poses and a useless Thrower. Why noy include a fourth Blitzer instead of that fething Thrower?? This seems like a pretty useless product.
^ This x 100. This was seriously my first thought, just silly. I converted the two throwers from the base team into blitzers because orc throwers are terrible.
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Post by: RobS
 Fajita Fan wrote: TBD wrote:zamerion wrote:https://www.forgeworld.co. uk/en- NL/Blood-Bowl-Orc-Booster-2018
Orc booster!
I'm not going to pay €31,- for three resin alternate poses and a useless Thrower. Why noy include a fourth Blitzer instead of that fething Thrower?? This seems like a pretty useless product.
^ This x 100. This was seriously my first thought, just silly. I converted the two throwers from the base team into blitzers because orc throwers are terrible.
Yeah, that's pretty hopeless. Ever since the year dot I've only ever used 1 thrower. And even then not 100% of the time. Why would I want 3? (Assuming I've got the Orc box set from the game).
Better plan (which is what I've just done), is take the Orcs from the boxed game as your base, and go to a bitz site and buy a couple of Orc command warriors and a couple of Black Orc warriors and cut the weapons off.
From the same site I also picked up a goblin.
I also bought some Saurus and Skinks on ebay and with the weapons off and some Anvil shoulder pads added they are Blood Bowl ready!
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Post by: Baxx
Converting your own team is fun and all, we never needed these new minis to play any teams. But when they do make the teams, I think it is valuable to be able to get the complete team also without converting or mixing and matching different styles.
The 3rd thrower is not supposed to be added to the existing box, but instead replaces one of the existing (duplicate) throwers so you get 2 unique thrower sculpts. As you point out, that's hardly ever relevant. Some might argue if you have 2 throwers, you're doing something wrong. For those very few who do use 2 throwers, there's an even smaller portion that want unique sculpts for those throwers. It is a disaster they decided to satisfy that 1 person, instead of 100% of orc players who want 4 black orcs.
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Post by: RobS
Baxx wrote:Converting your own team is fun and all, we never needed these new minis to play any teams. But when they do make the teams, I think it is valuable to be able to get the complete team also without converting or mixing and matching different styles.
The 3rd thrower is not supposed to be added to the existing box, but instead replaces one of the existing (duplicate) throwers so you get 2 unique thrower sculpts. As you point out, that's hardly ever relevant. Some might argue if you have 2 throwers, you're doing something wrong. For those very few who do use 2 throwers, there's an even smaller portion that want unique sculpts for those throwers. It is a disaster they decided to satisfy that 1 person, instead of 100% of orc players who want 4 black orcs.
I may change my mind once I play the newest version, but I always thought the ideal balance was 4 blitzers, 3 Black orcs and 1 thrower. Maybe throw in a gobbo against teams with low mobility and the rest Lineorcs.
So the standard team plus this Orc booster doesn't help that at all!
I don't care, I've got the bits I need now and with a bit of cutting and sticking I should be able to make 4 unique blitzers and 4 unique blockers out of the extras I've bought plus the team from the boxed game. Exciting times!
It used to be the same in the 'old days', too. The boxed team never had enough of what you really wanted so you ended up converting or mix and matching sets. So this is not a new complaint.
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Post by: Strg Alt
JimmyWolf87 wrote:Based on their interactions on the Twitch streams etc. they are fairly aware of which teams would be popular/make sense. From my experience, Lizardmen are basically the one with the most support (to the extent that it's almost a meme on official BB chat) with Wood Elves being close behind (plus they see a lot of time on the table as they're a top tier Team).
High Elves need doing but are probably the least enjoyed of the 4 Elf races. After that... who knows? They want to mess around with a few rosters (ala the new Goblin positionals) which Halflings and maybe Ogres seem prime candidates for. Maybe even Vampires.
They have categorically said no Stormcast. To the eternal joy of the majority.
No Stormcast? I am glad the people in charge have still some brains left. Automatically Appended Next Post: zamerion wrote:https://www.forgeworld.co. uk/en- NL/Blood-Bowl-Orc-Booster-2018
Orc booster!
So you end up with three throwers when only two are allowed? Good job, GW.
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Post by: Baxx
 RobS wrote: I may change my mind once I play the newest version, but I always thought the ideal balance was 4 blitzers, 3 Black orcs and 1 thrower. Maybe throw in a gobbo against teams with low mobility and the rest Lineorcs. So the standard team plus this Orc booster doesn't help that at all! I don't care, I've got the bits I need now and with a bit of cutting and sticking I should be able to make 4 unique blitzers and 4 unique blockers out of the extras I've bought plus the team from the boxed game. Exciting times! It used to be the same in the 'old days', too. The boxed team never had enough of what you really wanted so you ended up converting or mix and matching sets. So this is not a new complaint.
Never seen anyone play without 4 black orcs and 4 blitzers (unless some are injured). Troll, Goblins and Thrower is debatable, pretty sure blitzers and black orcs are not. I care, still have 2 unfinished teams (since november 2016 and early 2017) I need to fill out, something that requires 4 orc booster packs...
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Post by: Rayvon
I just went down to WW today and when I realised that there was only one blitzer the chap behind the counters says " two packs ? " and gives me a cheeky smile.
I had to reply with " no packs im afraid this is useless to me", I dont know how I missed that it wasn't two blizters, its a joke that we have a clam pack and still not a full team and still no decent troll.
I have never known anyone not to use all four blitzers in an orc team for about twenty years or more, its pretty useless.
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Post by: TBD
You can bet GW knows damn well what lineups people play and they already intentionally made the boxes so you have to buy two of them for most teams (all except Chaos?), and now they are taking it a step further by trying to make us buy three boxes, two of which are individually more expensive than the (plastic) extra one you'd normally get.
Of course it's all optional and you don't HAVE to buy anything from FW but as far as I'm concerned it still stinks and they can shove this product where the sun don't shine 
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Post by: Chopstick
Dwarf also have the full team. I think sculptor for plastic kit made an okay job given the limited fund and sprue space they had. Except for the Goblin team, very lazily made.
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Post by: Scott-S6
TBD wrote:You can bet GW knows damn well what lineups people play and they already intentionally made the boxes so you have to buy two of them for most teams
If they'd put the four blitzers and blockers that people wanted you'd have a box with only two linemen and you'd still be complaining about having to buy a second box.
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Post by: TBD
 Scott-S6 wrote: TBD wrote:You can bet GW knows damn well what lineups people play and they already intentionally made the boxes so you have to buy two of them for most teams
If they'd put the four blitzers and blockers that people wanted you'd have a box with only two linemen and you'd still be complaining about having to buy a second box.
You know they could just have produced a slightly more expensive box with the whole team in it right?
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Post by: Rayvon
Scott-S6 wrote: TBD wrote:You can bet GW knows damn well what lineups people play and they already intentionally made the boxes so you have to buy two of them for most teams
If they'd put the four blitzers and blockers that people wanted you'd have a box with only two linemen and you'd still be complaining about having to buy a second box.
I think we are entitled to a bit of a moan, they didnt put a full team in the box on purpose ( they knew the optimum setup that 99% of people use for Orcs ) and now they want me to buy two clampacks, each costing as much as the full team just to finish it off.
I know a few that didnt bother buying BB because they said this would happen, I dont play orc much so it doesnt bother me that much and besides GW still got some money out of me buying some FW stuff instead as I am a sucker lol
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Post by: Scott-S6
TBD wrote: Scott-S6 wrote: TBD wrote:You can bet GW knows damn well what lineups people play and they already intentionally made the boxes so you have to buy two of them for most teams
If they'd put the four blitzers and blockers that people wanted you'd have a box with only two linemen and you'd still be complaining about having to buy a second box.
You know they could just have produced a slightly more expensive box with the whole team in it right?
How, exactly?
Making the sprue slightly larger means they have to push production to one of the machines that's supposed to be making sprues that are twice as big (and which are in very high demand). Machine time is a big portion of the cost. If they had to use the more expensive equipment and bump other stuff to get a production slot then we probably wouldn't be getting plastic teams.
Making an additional different sprue for positionals doubles the cost of the box.
Please explain your plan here.
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I think we are entitled to a bit of a moan, they didnt put a full team in the box on purpose ( they knew the optimum setup that 99% of people use for Orcs ) and now they want me to buy two clampacks, each costing as much as the full team just to finish it off.
I know a few that didnt bother buying BB because they said this would happen, I dont play orc much so it doesnt bother me that much and besides GW still got some money out of me buying some FW stuff instead as I am a sucker lol
Why would you buy two of the FW boxes when, as you say, it's half the price to buy an extra team box. If you care about pose variety then you'll be spending £60-120 on a 3rd party team with all unique poses anyway.
I'm also not sure why buying two boxes is a problem when two team boxes is still cheaper than 3rd party teams.
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Post by: TBD
Scott-S6 wrote: TBD wrote: Scott-S6 wrote: TBD wrote:You can bet GW knows damn well what lineups people play and they already intentionally made the boxes so you have to buy two of them for most teams
If they'd put the four blitzers and blockers that people wanted you'd have a box with only two linemen and you'd still be complaining about having to buy a second box.
You know they could just have produced a slightly more expensive box with the whole team in it right?
How, exactly?
Making the sprue slightly larger means they have to push production to one of the machines that's supposed to be making sprues that are twice as big (and which are in very high demand). Machine time is a big portion of the cost. If they had to use the more expensive equipment and bump other stuff to get a production slot then we probably wouldn't be getting plastic teams.
Making an additional different sprue for positionals doubles the cost of the box.
Please explain your plan here.
That's a nice story and exactly what GW hopes naive people to believe, but in reality they can easily design the sprue slightly different.
If they can do it for Necromunda they can do it for Blood Bowl. It really isn't that complicated.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Scott-S6 wrote:I'm also not sure why buying two boxes is a problem when two team boxes is still cheaper than 3rd party teams.
We are not saying it is a problem but we are aknowledging it is a deliberate choice by GW to squeeze more money out of the customer base.
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Post by: Mr_Rose
Yes, they could have made the minis smaller, or dropped the team tokens, or just put three sprues in a box, but I’m not sure how you can say look at Necromunda and how they packed five minis onto each sprue when no blood bowl sprue has had less than six?
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Post by: AduroT
The Necromunda thread constantly complains about the lack of full options on their sprues as well.
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Post by: Baxx
Scott-S6 wrote: TBD wrote:You can bet GW knows damn well what lineups people play and they already intentionally made the boxes so you have to buy two of them for most teams
If they'd put the four blitzers and blockers that people wanted you'd have a box with only two linemen and you'd still be complaining about having to buy a second box.
Why? Who needs more than 2 line orcs anyway?
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TBD wrote:
in reality they can easily design the sprue slightly different.
Slightly differently in what way?
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Post by: StygianBeach
If the models were designed to be flat and lifeless I am sure that the whole team could have fitted onto the sprue, it would be easier for certain malcontents to moan about as well.
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Post by: Rayvon
Scott-S6 wrote:
Why would you buy two of the FW boxes when, as you say, it's half the price to buy an extra team box. If you care about pose variety then you'll be spending £60-120 on a 3rd party team with all unique poses anyway.
I'm also not sure why buying two boxes is a problem when two team boxes is still cheaper than 3rd party teams.
They are not one of the teams I play regularly but it would have been nice to get a full team without having to buy two of anything, most players use a gobbo or two and a troll, I just think that they could have made better sprues and much better clam packs.
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 StygianBeach wrote:
If the models were designed to be flat and lifeless I am sure that the whole team could have fitted onto the sprue, it would be easier for certain malcontents to moan about as well.
I'd much rather buy two boxes of nice models than one box of horrible models. I had more than enough of that during the Gary Morley era... Automatically Appended Next Post: Rayvon wrote:
They are not one of the teams I play regularly but it would have been nice to get a full team without having to buy two of anything, most players use a gobbo or two and a troll, I just think that they could have made better sprues and much better clam packs.
I can't argue about the clam packs - they are indefensible.
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Post by: Crazyterran
All the boosters have had 3 positionals, no? 2 of one, one of two others? With the exception of goblins, of course, but goblins don't really have positionals in the traditional sense.
Humans are 2 Blitzers, a Catcher and a Thrower
Orcs are 2 Black Orcs, a Blitzer and a Thrower
Skaven are 2 Assassins, a Blitzer and a thrower.
Of course, all the Human and Skaven team really needed were the two blitzers/assassins in their box, while the Orc team needed 2 BO and 2 Blitzers. Guess they got it a bit rougher than other teams.
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Post by: Strg Alt
TBD wrote: Scott-S6 wrote: TBD wrote:You can bet GW knows damn well what lineups people play and they already intentionally made the boxes so you have to buy two of them for most teams
If they'd put the four blitzers and blockers that people wanted you'd have a box with only two linemen and you'd still be complaining about having to buy a second box.
You know they could just have produced a slightly more expensive box with the whole team in it right?
That would have required common sense. Can't have this even in 2018.
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Post by: Crazyterran
 Strg Alt wrote: TBD wrote: Scott-S6 wrote: TBD wrote:You can bet GW knows damn well what lineups people play and they already intentionally made the boxes so you have to buy two of them for most teams
If they'd put the four blitzers and blockers that people wanted you'd have a box with only two linemen and you'd still be complaining about having to buy a second box.
You know they could just have produced a slightly more expensive box with the whole team in it right?
That would have required common sense. Can't have this even in 2018.
Sure, they could do 12 dudes for 40 or 24 dudes for 80.
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Post by: Chopstick
"Why didn't GW make an extra sprue for kits" had been a general complain across all specialist game. Feel like beating a dead horse here as it's not gonna change. GW simply make less and earn more.
Altho FW kit lacking the optimized team look like whoever sculpt these don't actually play the game, they just make them base on a strict formula, actually I do believe a number of people at specialist game didn't actually play the game they're working on.
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Post by: Crazyterran
I'm sure the game designers do, the Sculptors might not.
Remember, at GW, Sculpters and artists get more say than the rules writers.
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Post by: StygianBeach
Chopstick wrote:"Why didn't GW make an extra sprue for kits" had been a general complain across all specialist game. Feel like beating a dead horse here as it's not gonna change. GW simply make less and earn more.
Yeah, but I also think if they made more then they would also lose more. I doubt an extra Bloodbowl sprue would pay for itself.
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Post by: TBD
 Mr_Rose wrote:I’m not sure how you can say look at Necromunda and how they packed five minis onto each sprue when no blood bowl sprue has had less than six?
Necromunda sprues have an excess of bits that Blood Bowl doesn't need that can be replaced by an extra body. It's not really hard to see. Automatically Appended Next Post:
They can do it for the same price as the Necromunda kits.
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TBD wrote: Mr_Rose wrote:I’m not sure how you can say look at Necromunda and how they packed five minis onto each sprue when no blood bowl sprue has had less than six?
Necromunda sprues have an excess of bits that Blood Bowl doesn't need that can be replaced by an extra body. It's not really hard to see.
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They can do it for the same price as the Necromunda kits.
The sprues are the same size and looking at the GW site, already just as packed as the Necromunda ones are.
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Post by: Rayvon
If they replaced two orc lineman and some balls for a blitzer and a black orc that would be better, who needs 6 lineman ?
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Post by: TBD
All it takes is adding some extra distinguishing heads/arms and/or simply making the same arm/leg fit on different bodies in different angles to create different poses to, for example, turn a Lineman into a Blitzer. This would require minimal sprue changes for teams like Dark Elves and Elven Union (who have some interchangeability already) but could be done for the other teams as well if they wanted to.
It is perhaps understandable how the first two teams' sprues were designed in a more limited fashion as they didn't know if the relaunched game would be a success, however the latest sprues look so advanced there really is no excuse to not have multiple build-options on them for certain positions. The FW Orc booster makes it even more obvious these are design CHOICES by GW, not sprue limitations, to get us to buy two boxes instead. What anyone thinks of that is for them to decide but it would be quite naive to not aknowledge it for what it is.
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Post by: Zetan
I guess at the end of the day, I'm not quite as salty about the human and orc boosters because I'm intending to buy Blitz Bowl, and my fourth Human Catcher and Orc Blitzer will both be in there.
And looking at other rosters, this is probably the last time we'll have this problem? They seem insistent that boosters follow a 2-1-1 pattern. For humans and orcs, this is a problem, since they both have 0-4 of two different positions. But they're the only two teams in the game that have two 0-4 positions. For every other team that needs a booster, they can do it like the Skaven, where they give us 2 of the 0-4 and then an extra of a couple 0-2 positions for variety.
I'm still a little worried about how they'll do the teams with 0-6 positions like Lizardmen, Chaos Dwarf, and especially Ogre, but I guess we'll see.
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Post by: Mr_Rose
Possibly they’ll just change the team comp; ogres especially could do with some extra positionals like a Bruiser that is identical to every other ogre except they don’t have stupidity. Or a hunter with giant crossbow ‘secret’ weapon, or maybe Yhetee runners… anything really. Firebelly and Butcher wizard inducements!
Maybe also give the Gnoblars some love too? Perhaps a new special rule that lets them counteract ogre dumbness?
And how about one of those giant cat riders as a Big Guy? No Hands but lots of movement and hits like a Frenzied truck.
Yeah, I think Ogres could do with a major overhaul.
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Post by: Breotan
I'll definitely be getting one of these. Four unique guys that can replace some of the "clones" I've got in my lineup is a good thing. I only wish they'd do another one. Maybe swapping in a lineman for the thrower.
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Post by: RobS
Feels like if the booster had been 2 x Blitzer, 2 x Black Orc, a LOT of people would have bought it.
I certainly might have. No chance of buying it like it is.
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Post by: ekwatts
Praise be to the almighty Games Workshop for giving people on the internet the ability to complain about things they previously lacked the privilege to even buy in the first place only two years ago.
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Post by: JWBS
No-one has complained about the lack of bitz ordering yet, this is disappointing. Back in the day, we could call GW (on our land line) and order an Orc BB team, plus an extra two black orcs and an extra blitzer, giving us 4BO, 4BL, 1 Thrower and a few linemen, ie a decent Orc team. We can't do this anymore and I think it's a damn disgrace.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
I really like those two. Very nice.
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Post by: Rygnan
Those kind of came out of nowhere didn't they? Look pretty great though, the paintjobs don't do the sculpts justice
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Post by: Chopstick
That chainsaw need some paint thinning, or the detail of the sculpt is just bad.
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
It's just the paintjob again. Same person who overdid (for a polite term) the LotR models has done it again for these. Karla especially has a very crisp face on the bare resin, but the paintjob has killed a lot of that detail again.
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Post by: Chopstick
Look like a supposedly busted up chainsaw turned into paint clog.
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Post by: BigDaddio
Not fan of the wings on Karla's headgear. Other than that it's great.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Random pondering....could the wings on Karla be a design choice to help her blend into a forthcoming Norse Team?
I'm sure she can play for them as well?
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
Says in her description she can play for Human, Halfling, Amazon and Norse.
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Post by: Scott-S6
JWBS wrote:No-one has complained about the lack of bitz ordering yet, this is disappointing. Back in the day, we could call GW (on our land line) and order an Orc BB team, plus an extra two black orcs and an extra blitzer, giving us 4BO, 4BL, 1 Thrower and a few linemen, ie a decent Orc team. We can't do this anymore and I think it's a damn disgrace.
How do you think that would work with plastic parts on a sprue?
When one or two parts are much more popular (as in your example) they have a pile of partial sprues left?
They'd have to charge you more than the cost of a box (the cost of two sprues plus time to clip and pack) for that.
Just look at the prices bitz sites charge and you'll see the same thing.
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Post by: AndrewGPaul
Even when they did let you order individual components, a whole sprue counted as one component. No ordering just one player from the human or orc sprues, or a pair of legs from an RTB01 sprue. It's one of the drawbacks of making most of your models as plastic kits.
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Post by: Thargrim
The new star players look alright, I probably won't get them though as I rarely use star players.
The open day is tomorrow, I wouldn't be surprised if the next team gets previewed. (fingers crossed for chorfs).
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Post by: Mr_Rose
Not a fan of flowing locks Karla. Aside from the obvious ‘y she no haz hat?’ head injury debate, long hair in sports armour is just asking for it to get trapped at an inconvenient moment. Also, I like the sensible pony tail look she has in her character portrait. Otherwise, a really great model let down by another wonky paint job.
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Post by: JWBS
Scott-S6 wrote:JWBS wrote:No-one has complained about the lack of bitz ordering yet, this is disappointing. Back in the day, we could call GW (on our land line) and order an Orc BB team, plus an extra two black orcs and an extra blitzer, giving us 4BO, 4BL, 1 Thrower and a few linemen, ie a decent Orc team. We can't do this anymore and I think it's a damn disgrace.
How do you think that would work with plastic parts on a sprue?
When one or two parts are much more popular (as in your example) they have a pile of partial sprues left?
They'd have to charge you more than the cost of a box (the cost of two sprues plus time to clip and pack) for that.
Just look at the prices bitz sites charge and you'll see the same thing.
I don't think it would work. That was an example of a non-serious post. Bitz orders were good though.
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Post by: Mr_Rose
So, the remaining gobbo positional sand the lost troll have been revealed.
Not sure about the ‘Ooligan with his giant clacker thing, but the others are great.
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Post by: WobblyGoblin
OT but does anyone know how those bases are done? It looks a little like a sheet of grass cut to size. Is it just static grass allied thickly?
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Post by: TigerMafia
They paint the grass.
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Post by: Baxx
Hehe nice, as a grass texture paint then?
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Post by: AduroT
No, they glue static grass to the bases and then paint the grass. One of the previous publications gave their step by step, but I do not recall which. Honestly it seemed like a wasted effort to me.
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Post by: privateer4hire
This might be helpful (not as thick a layer of grass but the general concept):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzVdGSeKbGw
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Post by: RobS
 AduroT wrote:No, they glue static grass to the bases and then paint the grass. One of the previous publications gave their step by step, but I do not recall which. Honestly it seemed like a wasted effort to me.
Should have spent more time on the models and less on the grass! Automatically Appended Next Post: JWBS wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:JWBS wrote:No-one has complained about the lack of bitz ordering yet, this is disappointing. Back in the day, we could call GW (on our land line) and order an Orc BB team, plus an extra two black orcs and an extra blitzer, giving us 4BO, 4BL, 1 Thrower and a few linemen, ie a decent Orc team. We can't do this anymore and I think it's a damn disgrace.
How do you think that would work with plastic parts on a sprue?
When one or two parts are much more popular (as in your example) they have a pile of partial sprues left?
They'd have to charge you more than the cost of a box (the cost of two sprues plus time to clip and pack) for that.
Just look at the prices bitz sites charge and you'll see the same thing.
I don't think it would work. That was an example of a non-serious post. Bitz orders were good though.
I also don't think GW would want to be competing with the Bitz ordering sites.
It's easy enough to pick up bits to build some extra orcs or goblins, and if you keep an eye on the right sites (bits and kits in the UK) you can buy individual minis from the Blood Bowl sprues.
Modelling by bits gets expensive when you're trying to do a whole army but for a group of models the size of a BB team it's pretty cheap and you get some unique models out of it too.
I bought 2 orc boys and 2 black Orc warriors and have mixed and matched heads and arms with the orcs from the BB box and now I have 4 unique blitzers and 4 unique black orcs. Just in the process of painting them up!
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Post by: zamerion
Maybe preview of the next team?
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Post by: Chikout
I don’t think they’ve ever revealed a new plastic mini on warhammer live before so I wouldn’t get your hopes up.
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Post by: zamerion
Thats true, but maybe they give clues.
Last week they talked a lot about what they are going to realease about the LoTR.
In any case I will not be able to hear it, if someone posts the information it will be appreciated.
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From facebook:
They said that the next team would be a "Blood Bowl Team" with "players" and would probably be a name you would have heard if you've played BB for a few years. Likely from the Teams of Legend.
any ideas?
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Post by: Rygnan
Chikout wrote:I don’t think they’ve ever revealed a new plastic mini on warhammer live before so I wouldn’t get your hopes up.
Wasn't that how Shambling Undead got announced?
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zamerion wrote:
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From facebook:
They said that the next team would be a "Blood Bowl Team" with "players" and would probably be a name you would have heard if you've played BB for a few years. Likely from the Teams of Legend.
any ideas?
Yeah, well, I didn't need the twitch to know that the next Blood Bowl Team with players would be one from the Teams of Legend. Like litterally every single one since now.
Basically nothing more than wind here.
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Post by: Thargrim
If someone had been playing blood bowl a few years, they would have heard every name. But out of what's left only a certain couple might be simply infamous for one reason or another. And that would be Chorfs or Halflings, it's gotta be one of those two.
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Post by: Prometheum5
So, did anything come of that stream yesterday? I feel like this isn't the first time they've said there's an announcement coming and then crickets...
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Post by: Carlovonsexron
I want lizardmen so damn bad
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
 Prometheum5 wrote:So, did anything come of that stream yesterday? I feel like this isn't the first time they've said there's an announcement coming and then crickets...
Not really, they were going over the mini's revealed at the Open day, showing rules for them etc... they had a couple of questions about are certain things coming... and the usual 'we'll be doing them at some point down the road' kind of replies where given. Nothing new mentioned though, unless I fell asleep for a moment and missed it.
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Post by: Ernster
I will be pledging to Greebo's upcoming Lizard man team KS.
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Post by: Carlovonsexron
Are they plastic or resin?
Part of why I want the lizzies is for easy conversions...
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Though upon looking at them they aren't really my style of lizardmen anyway.
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Post by: Thargrim
The problem I have with the greebo stuff is it doesn't even feel like Blood Bowl, or Warhammer...or an old world parody. Some of the teams look derpy, others look decent. But the feeling just isn't there.
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Post by: privateer4hire
I wish greebo would bring back their frogs.
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Post by: Breotan
Thargrim wrote:The problem I have with the greebo stuff is it doesn't even feel like Blood Bowl, or Warhammer...or an old world parody. Some of the teams look derpy, others look decent. But the feeling just isn't there.
Yea, those lizards look cool and all, but nothing about them suggests rugby/football.
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Post by: Ernster
The miniatures will be metal.
A Frog Team will be included in KS.
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Post by: Clockpunk
Just wondering if anyone might please be able to offer a little description as to what the special pitch rules are for the most recent undead one? Can't find whether it is special weather rules (per earlier releases) or a standalone effect that comes into play after half time (like later ones). Presume it is the latter, but any details would be greatly appreciated.
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Post by: Strg Alt
Ernster wrote:I will be pledging to Greebo's upcoming Lizard man team KS.
Wow! These lizards look epic. Automatically Appended Next Post: Ernster wrote:The miniatures will be metal.
A Frog Team will be included in KS.
Okay, these are the Battletoads. Only the Dark Queen as a coach mini is missing.
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Post by: AegisGrimm
Ernster wrote:The miniatures will be metal.
A Frog Team will be included in KS.
With those nice fists, you could chuck some weapons in their hands for some kind of crazy Slann warband.
"Fresh off a grueling exercise regimen, and tired of sending Seraphon to do their dirty work, the Slann go to the Mortal Realms to do some WORK."
Also, those not-Kroxigors look like freaking Godzilla. And I mean that in a good way. Ditch that crappy Salamander and have the upper right one melting some Chaos forces with his atomic breath. The upper left one is also pretty amazing.
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Post by: Baxx
Metal minis is completely useless for Blood Bowl. The most important reason the new teams are exciting is they are NOT metal! I paint my minis once, I don't want to repaint noses and other pointy parts after every single match.
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Baxx wrote:Metal minis is completely useless for Blood Bowl. The most important reason the new teams are exciting is they are NOT metal! I paint my minis once, I don't want to repaint noses and other pointy parts after every single match.
Ever heard of varnish?
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Post by: AndrewGPaul
Yeah ... I somehow got through 3rd edition and all the subsequent living rulebooks without damaging my miniatures. "Completely useless" is nonsense, given that thousands of people used 'em for thirty years.
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Post by: Baxx
Some of those miniatures used for 30 years have hardly any paint left on them...
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Post by: Zywus
Maybe you should stop playing your bloodbowl games inside a running sandblaster tank?
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Post by: Mr_Rose
Or maybe stop flicking them over like they’re Army Men™
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Post by: infinite_array
How else am I supposed to show my Slaan are using Leap?
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Post by: Zetan
Mr_Rose wrote:So, the remaining gobbo positional sand the lost troll have been revealed.
Not sure about the ‘Ooligan with his giant clacker thing, but the others are great.
Finally! Now I can put together a Forgeworld order for everything I've been wanting, I just need... *takes out his calculator*
Oh. That's... about a thousand dollars.
Hm. Maybe not all at once, then...
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Post by: overtyrant
Is there a release date for the new Gobbo stuff? Thanks
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Post by: Scott-S6
Baxx wrote:Metal minis is completely useless for Blood Bowl. The most important reason the new teams are exciting is they are NOT metal! I paint my minis once, I don't want to repaint noses and other pointy parts after every single match.
Prime with a primer specifically for metal and varnish properly. It really isn't a problem.
That said, I'm not a fan of metal models either.
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Post by: Thargrim
I find it pretty odd the next team hasn't been announced yet, anyone know when the next open day or show off event takes place? I can only think of the LVO and that seems like a real possible time to see the next team.
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Post by: zamerion
Isnt very strange that they have not announced the next BB team in LVO?
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Post by: ImAGeek
zamerion wrote:Isnt very strange that they have not announced the next BB team in LVO?
Not really - they showed a lot of other stuff off, they didn’t show a BB team there last year and they have quite a lot of reveal events through the year now to show them off at.
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Post by: Thargrim
I think most of us might have assumed they would continue releasing one team per quarter. So about now they should have announced the next team, hopefully they just do a surprise announcement on the community site instead of holding off until warhammerfest which is some months away.
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Post by: Theophony
I could see a vampire team pop up with the fantasy box of skaven vs ghouls coming out.
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Post by: squall018
I played with a guy Friday who swore up and down the next team was halflings. Said he.knew a guy who knew a guy yadda yadda. If true it would be pretty cool though.
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Post by: Carlovonsexron
I want the next team to be lizardmen so baaaaad.
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Post by: Sabotage!
I second this, even though I don't play Lizardmen. They have a different enough playstyle and aesthetic that warrants an earlier release in my opinion though. I'm curious to see when the next team will get announced....is the next event Warhammer Fest? Because I don't think they would release the first BB team of the year May or June. I suppose they could always announce it on Warcom, but lately pretty much everything is getting an event reveal.
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Post by: Rygnan
Could they not possibly announce it at Adepticon? It's the last weekend of March, could pass for first quarter to GW. Otherwise I reckon it'll sneak quietly onto Warcom
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Post by: zamerion
In theory every 3 months a new team would come out.
The last one was at the end of November, so in late February or early March would have to release another team. And the next big event where they show these things is at the end of March (adepticon)
In necromunda there is also plastic release every 3 months, and the last gang was released later than (or same time) the undead team, and GW already showed on the open day of January the next plastic release(ambots)
So either the next team is delayed, or they will release it the next 2 weeks with surprise...
haflings would be very cool, but personally I would prefer chaos dwarves or norsca. And everyone is waiting for lizards.
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Post by: Sabotage!
Oh, good call folks. I spaced Adepticon. If I remember right we didn't get the Chaos team until April last year. We also had Undead 2nd Week of December and I think Nurgle was early October, so they kind of crammed the last two teams in last year.
Either way I'm interested to see what's up next.
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Post by: ekwatts
 Theophony wrote:I could see a vampire team pop up with the fantasy box of skaven vs ghouls coming out.
I don't think the Blood Bowl releases have had anything at all in common with the AoS releases so far, so there's absolutely no reason for this to be the case.
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Post by: ImAGeek
ekwatts wrote: Theophony wrote:I could see a vampire team pop up with the fantasy box of skaven vs ghouls coming out.
I don't think the Blood Bowl releases have had anything at all in common with the AoS releases so far, so there's absolutely no reason for this to be the case.
Plus the last team was Undead anyway.
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Post by: ekwatts
 ImAGeek wrote: ekwatts wrote: Theophony wrote:I could see a vampire team pop up with the fantasy box of skaven vs ghouls coming out.
I don't think the Blood Bowl releases have had anything at all in common with the AoS releases so far, so there's absolutely no reason for this to be the case.
Plus the last team was Undead anyway.
Exactly.
There's a chance that they might take the opportunity to expand on the Shambling Undead box set by doing the Necro and/or Khemri teams as a follow-up, but there's no reason to actually expect that to be the case.
Note that I'm not suggesting that it will definitely NOT be the Vampire team. I'm just saying that there's no evidence for that, regardless of the AoS releases.
There are rumours that Halflings are coming. I don't know how legit these rumours are (could be 4chan nonsense that is being repeated because it's funny) but that's the only real rumblings I've picked up on, and even then, I'm only repeating it because its already been repeated by others so frequently.
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Post by: RobS
I kind of hope it's NOT Norse as I've got a plan to convert a team from Blood reaver bodies with Space Wolf heads, with unarmoured Wulfen for Ulfwereners. Will be a fair bit more expensive than the team release will be though!
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Post by: reds8n
doing the rounds :
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
There’s a few of us in the FB Loot Group likely to attend Warhammerfest (including two of us admins).
So if there’s anyone out there wanting one that doesn’t get regular, or indeed any, GW Events near them, follow the link in my signature.
All deals done strictly At Cost, and every single one makes a Scalper cry
Same goes for other Event Exclusives, and pre-releases. Just be aware that postage to outside of Europe can be a bit much if you’re just wanting the one!
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Post by: GaroRobe
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:There’s a few of us in the FB Loot Group likely to attend Warhammerfest (including two of us admins).
So if there’s anyone out there wanting one that doesn’t get regular, or indeed any, GW Events near them, follow the link in my signature.
All deals done strictly At Cost, and every single one makes a Scalper cry
Same goes for other Event Exclusives, and pre-releases. Just be aware that postage to outside of Europe can be a bit much if you’re just wanting the one!
As always, you are doing the God Emperor's work.
I hope the other event exclusives are a bit more original than the Minotuar. It's the same model that was released months ago, just with claw hands and a new helmet. Everything else is the same.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Well, OT I know, there’s Sanguinous with the full base, Hale, a Chaos Stunty that we know of from previous years
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Post by: zamerion
Is there any hope that the next team will be on pre-orders next week?
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Post by: sockwithaticket
0.0000001% given all the other stuff being previewed at the moment.
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Post by: montanhas18
So we should have new releases this week, from GAMA... I decided to check if they had updated the Twitch schedule and... take a look at the last slot on Thursday:
https://www.twitch.tv/warhammer
Edit: Nevermind... found the Ash Reid's Lizardmen: https://twitter.com/HobbyAsh182/status/1091966272303181824
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Post by: zamerion
lizards!!
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Post by: Sabotage!
Well, can't say they were the team I was wanting to be added to the lineup, but man do those minis shout "halfling" to me. Nice sculpts GW.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I like them a lot (except for most of the faces sadly)
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Post by: eflix29
This halfling team <3 It's been a while since I though INSTABUY ! I'll convert them for AoS.
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Post by: Danny76
Really?
I thought they’re really good. Quite characterful.
Though perhaps less of a GW look than I would have expected if they’d said they were gonna do them before seeing them..
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Post by: Rayvon
I managed to snag a couple of the old metal treemen when they popped up on made to order and I have been waiting to see these.
They dont disappoint either I think they look really good.
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Post by: Not-not-kenny
Those halflings are some of the most delightful minis to come out of GW in a long time!
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Post by: zedmeister
They look brilliant. So much character
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Post by: Original Timmy
Excellent minis, defo day 1 purchase for me and i wonder what the treeman might look like, surely there has to be one!?
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Post by: GaroRobe
None of the Halflings have hairy feet. Seems like a pretty crucial oversight. Especially since the ones in the artwork have hairy feet.
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Post by: BrookM
Blood Bowl on HARD mode eh?
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Post by: ekwatts
Unexpected! And what wonderful models!
I'm rather hoping this is accompanied by a newish team roster that will allow a mixed Human/Halfling team with two ogres for maximum flinging goodness.
0-16 Human Linemen
0-16 Halflings
0-2 Ogres
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Post by: Sarouan
ekwatts wrote:Unexpected! And what wonderful models!
I'm rather hoping this is accompanied by a newish team roster that will allow a mixed Human/Halfling team with two ogres for maximum flinging goodness.
0-16 Human Linemen
0-16 Halflings
0-2 Ogres
Hehe, that would be too powerful, but the idea is nice. I think they should go the Underworld team way - 0-12 halflings, 0-6 humans and 0-1 Ogre.
Must say these miniatures are incredibly full of character for halflings. I would almost be sad when they kick the bucket in game. Almost...
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Those Halflings are quite possibly the greatest models I have ever seen!
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Post by: Jackal90
Is it bad that I neither play bloodbowl nor have a team, yet I'm buying those halflings just to find a use for them?
Amazing sculpts so I need to make some use from them.
My poor lizard team are still waiting.
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Post by: Thargrim
I really like those halflings, I was hoping they'd use the pots for helmets look from BB2 and it looks like they kept a similar style overall. I had hoped they would fit a treeman on the sprue, that way the doubled sprues give you two treeman. I figured the halflings would be small enough to where they could barely fit a treeman but I guess those will be resin...I hate resin.
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Post by: Vorian
Or plastic like the Troll and Ogre.
They can be for Wood Elves too, so separate makes sense
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Post by: Theophony
Thargrim wrote:I really like those halflings, I was hoping they'd use the pots for helmets look from BB2 and it looks like they kept a similar style overall. I had hoped they would fit a treeman on the sprue, that way the doubled sprues give you two treeman. I figured the halflings would be small enough to where they could barely fit a treeman but I guess those will be resin...I hate resin.
I’m just planning on using the shadespire wood elf team as treemen/treewomen
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Post by: ImAGeek
Thargrim wrote:I really like those halflings, I was hoping they'd use the pots for helmets look from BB2 and it looks like they kept a similar style overall. I had hoped they would fit a treeman on the sprue, that way the doubled sprues give you two treeman. I figured the halflings would be small enough to where they could barely fit a treeman but I guess those will be resin...I hate resin.
There have been plastic big guys. Kurnoth Hunters could be a good base for a plastic one if not.
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Post by: AduroT
Kurnoth Hunters are the perfect size for Treemen, though they’re maybe too serious looking to sit alongside these chaps.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Jackal90 wrote:Is it bad that I neither play bloodbowl nor have a team, yet I'm buying those halflings just to find a use for them?
Amazing sculpts so I need to make some use from them.
My poor lizard team are still waiting.
Possibly some kind of thief-taker mini-game, where you need to pursue the Halflings?
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Post by: zamerion
incredible design, with a lot of personality. Auto buy for me
and the tree man for when?
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Post by: Baxx
Jackal90 wrote:Is it bad that I neither play bloodbowl nor have a team, yet I'm buying those halflings just to find a use for them? Amazing sculpts so I need to make some use from them. My poor lizard team are still waiting.
When you buy these and add a couple of trees, you can start playing blood bowl and it's no longer sad. It's very easy to make some fun use from them: Blood Bowl! Automatically Appended Next Post: Thargrim wrote:I really like those halflings, I was hoping they'd use the pots for helmets look from BB2 and it looks like they kept a similar style overall. I had hoped they would fit a treeman on the sprue, that way the doubled sprues give you two treeman. I figured the halflings would be small enough to where they could barely fit a treeman but I guess those will be resin...I hate resin.
Resin is fine (except the price). I got all Blood Bowl resin minis and it's no problem to glue, spray and paint.
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Post by: AduroT
Have they said what the halflings are made of? I want to guess plastic because of the duplicate bodies, and using all the space their tiny, compact bodies save to give an extra head per body.
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Post by: zedmeister
I'm hoping for some secret weapons for these little gents. Chainsaws, "sticky" buns, various food bombs, maybe even the halfling hotpot!
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Post by: ekwatts
AduroT wrote:Have they said what the halflings are made of? I want to guess plastic because of the duplicate bodies, and using all the space their tiny, compact bodies save to give an extra head per body.
I realise it doesn't specifically state as such in the article these were announced in, but the likelihood of them being anything but a plastic boxed team is scant to none.
No "full" teams have so far been made of resin. Star Players and big guys and other specialists/upgrades only at this point.
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Post by: Baxx
Would be very surprising if these were anything other than plastic. They'll probably come with one of those ridiculous "starting" rosters too. It would look something like this:
12 Halflings 360k
8 Re-rolls 480k
Apo: 50k
6 Assistant Coaches: 60k
5 Cheerleaders: 50k
So we're gonna see a bunch of new additional halflings stuff now?
-pitch / weather table
-Spike! magazine
-inducements, wizards ++
-special ball(s)
-dice
-cards
-new & old star players
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
AduroT wrote:Have they said what the halflings are made of? I want to guess plastic because of the duplicate bodies, and using all the space their tiny, compact bodies save to give an extra head per body.
Cakes, Pastries, Sticky Buns, Burgers, Kebabs, Hotdogs, Stew, Hotpot, Sosig Roll, Bacon Butties, Toad in the Hole etc.
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Post by: Rayvon
Pretty sure they will be plastic and i can only hope with the rest of you that they add some nice stuff for them, I am not holding out for a tree man though as I have not been very impressed with the big guys so far really, they always have their hands full or a crap pose.
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Post by: zedmeister
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: AduroT wrote:Have they said what the halflings are made of? I want to guess plastic because of the duplicate bodies, and using all the space their tiny, compact bodies save to give an extra head per body.
Cakes, Pastries, Sticky Buns, Burgers, Kebabs, Hotdogs, Stew, Hotpot, Sosig Roll, Bacon Butties, Toad in the Hole etc.
Droll. You might want to grab your coat on the way out...
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Post by: Thargrim
I just can't wait to see the tokens/markers and balls that come on the sprue. The other kits have had some cool stuff like the nurgling eating a ball, warpstone balls etc.
Only downside to the halfling sculpts I can see is the more static one holding the ball. I thought they were moving away from sculpts carrying the ball after so many people criticized it. Also none of them are holding a turkey leg, or eating any food. Other than that great stuff.
edit: I just realized they didn't put hair on their feet, whoa
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Post by: Baxx
So, inbefore anyone else, time to speculate next team? When would we see next previews?
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Post by: Prometheum5
Thargrim wrote:
edit: I just realized they didn't put hair on their feet, whoa
That leaves it open for you to apply your own static grass to their feet for a fuzzy effect!
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Post by: Thargrim
Prometheum5 wrote: Thargrim wrote:
edit: I just realized they didn't put hair on their feet, whoa
That leaves it open for you to apply your own static grass to their feet for a fuzzy effect!
I could, but I probably won't bother. These aren't LOTR halflings anyways, so a slight change there doesn't bother me much. I'm just glad they kept the almost creepy gnome look, like a caricature of a real person.
As for speculation on the next team, well we'd be looking at a summer release for them...I would think. BB has been off to a slow start this year and we still don't know when halflings go up on pre order. But i'll assume they will be released by mid next month at the latest. I do hope halflings is the only joke team this year, the only other weak team I wouldn't mind seeing released so soon might be vampires. But i'd much rather see chorfs/lizardmen/wood elves to close out the year.
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Post by: Sabotage!
I really hope the Halfling Turn marker is a fist holding a turkey leg with a bite out of it.
I agree with Thargrim. I think Lizardsmen, Chaos Dwarves, and Wood Elves would be the ideal next releases this year. They are all teams with pretty distinct play styles and with them in the lineup most of the more popular teams would be covered.
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Post by: AduroT
They actually did a Halfling team. I don’t think I’d be surprised by anything they put out next.
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Post by: Jadenim
Wood elves would make sense, because they can use Tree Men as well, making that a dual release model.
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Post by: Zetan
 Jadenim wrote:Wood elves would make sense, because they can use Tree Men as well, making that a dual release model.
Yeah, this is my thinking as well. Plus, wood elves are the last team that was in Death Zone 1 but hasn't gotten a release, aren't they? Seems like a no-brainer.
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Post by: Fenriswulf
There is a kickstarter currently going on for some really lovely Skaven Fantasy Football miniatures going on at the moment if anyone is interested.
The team looks really well designed and animated, and the small extras are a nice bonus. They are likely to reach their 8k Euro goal, which means free cards, tokens and footballs, but I can't see the others being reached. Regardless, the miniatures are excellent, and look a heck of a lot more animated than the GW offerings.
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Post by: RobS
 Fenriswulf wrote:There is a kickstarter currently going on for some really lovely Skaven Fantasy Football miniatures going on at the moment if anyone is interested.
The team looks really well designed and animated, and the small extras are a nice bonus. They are likely to reach their 8k Euro goal, which means free cards, tokens and footballs, but I can't see the others being reached. Regardless, the miniatures are excellent, and look a heck of a lot more animated than the GW offerings.
They are really good! If I were thinking about a Skaven TT team I'd buy them.
Only 2 left!
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Post by: zamerion
so surely preorders on April 20
Will anyone see it? maybe they show the tree man or some new star player
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Post by: Gael Knight
Good old GW yet again putting basic content behind a paywall.
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
It's free if you watch live, you know? And the subscription is Twitch, not them.
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Post by: Chopstick
It's GW who decide to put their VoD on sub only or free, not Twitch.
Can't blame them since they seem to follow other fellow channel like G&S on how to make Twitch money.
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Post by: zamerion
Please, if someone is going to watch today's twitch, post the images(miniatures, artworks etc etc) that they show.
Thanks in advance.
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Post by: montanhas18
Don't have the screenshots uploaded but... loads of new stuff. Flings now have 2 new positionals, new star players (including a Golden Era) and 2 new inducements.
New positionals:
0-2 Catcher 50k - 5-2-3-6 - Catch, Dodge, Right Stuff, Sprint, Stunty
0-2 Hefty 50k - 5-2-3-7 - Dodge, Fend, Stunty
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Post by: morgaur
There was also a goat riding Star Player 6 3 3 7 with Horns, Juggernaut, No Hands and other skills I can't remember.
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Post by: zamerion
Thanks! Any new miniature or just artworks?
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Post by: montanhas18
Didn't see any new minis. But you can figure out the Catchers and Heftys in the photo of the content of the Flings box they already showed.
They have an inducement (60k) that's like a small bomb (available for Flings and Ogres) and another (0-3, 40k each) that gives D3 Flings... Dauntless, Frenzy and Really Stupid.
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Post by: morgaur
I really only saw the goat rider and the other guy in the same page... 5 3 2 8 with Thick Skull, Dirty Player and I don't remember... (my memory is really awful...) available to Ogres too.
And there are rules for stunty leagues, too.
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Post by: Chopstick
Took some screen shot, 2nd pic kinda blurry but easy enough to make out what was written I guess...
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Post by: infinite_array
The new positionals look interesting.
We'll need some weigh-ins from real Fling vets. As far as I've known in Blood Bowl, most Fling coaches tend to kick a player off the team if they even get a single skill, as it can cause a quick TV bloat. And Flings want low TV to pick up the Chef and Deeproot.
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Post by: zamerion
Really interesting artworks. I love the treeman and the idea of haflings riding a goat.
I guess they have not said anything about when the star players will come out?
A pity how slow they come :(
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Post by: Chikout
When the war sheep comes out, I may not be able to resist collecting a haflings team.
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Post by: Thargrim
DId they show off the dice and pitch?
The new positionals look pretty cool, the team kinda did need a bit more of a dynamic going on with it's players. They aren't much fun to play in a league IMO cause they never develop well, and even then I know some players fire halflings that start to bloat team value.
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Post by: AndrewGPaul
Yes and yes. The dice are green with white markings (the team logo is crossed knife and fork).
The pitch is a farmer's field, with the markings laid out in rope and bunting, with jumpers for goalposts. When setting up for a drive the kicking team can move the line of scrimmage one square backwards or forwards. In the second half, as the field has become all muddy, the restriction on the number of players deployed in the wide zones is removed and all players are at -1 MA but can Go For It an additional time.
As for team value, IIRC the Catcher would be worth 70k if you trained up a Halfling Hopeful to get the same skills, but only costs 50k to recruit.
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Post by: zamerion
So, there are no dates for the hafling team? I imagine that even less for the star players, no?
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Post by: Thargrim
AndrewGPaul wrote:Yes and yes. The dice are green with white markings (the team logo is crossed knife and fork).
The pitch is a farmer's field, with the markings laid out in rope and bunting, with jumpers for goalposts. When setting up for a drive the kicking team can move the line of scrimmage one square backwards or forwards. In the second half, as the field has become all muddy, the restriction on the number of players deployed in the wide zones is removed and all players are at -1 MA but can Go For It an additional time.
As for team value, IIRC the Catcher would be worth 70k if you trained up a Halfling Hopeful to get the same skills, but only costs 50k to recruit.
Sounds pretty nifty, I feel like it's been a while since the team was announced and my interest has waned from super excited to busy with other things. Hard to say if i'll still pick them up, at this point i'm just going to leave it up to how they handle the treemen. If they're plastic and affordable then i'll probably dive in. But as it is i'd need two boxes of halflings (cause I think the box only has 12 and ideally i'd need 16-18 for the sake of options, plus 2 treemen and that makes them seem like possibly the most expensive team in the game out of the box. Especially compared to chaos where with one box you get you're whole starting roster for a new league in one go.
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Post by: AndrewGPaul
The suggestion was that a box of halflings and two treemen would give you fourteen players, leaving two spots for star players.
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Post by: Rik Lightstar
Thargrim wrote:
Sounds pretty nifty, I feel like it's been a while since the team was announced and my interest has waned from super excited to busy with other things. Hard to say if i'll still pick them up, at this point i'm just going to leave it up to how they handle the treemen. If they're plastic and affordable then i'll probably dive in. But as it is i'd need two boxes of halflings (cause I think the box only has 12 and ideally i'd need 16-18 for the sake of options, plus 2 treemen and that makes them seem like possibly the most expensive team in the game out of the box. Especially compared to chaos where with one box you get you're whole starting roster for a new league in one go.
It's a month, pretty much to the day, the original reveal was on the March 11th Warhammer Community post from GAMA.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/03/11/breaking-news-from-gama/
We just get so much info from GW these days that even a week feels like a long time.
Rik
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Post by: Zetan
I just noticed a bunch of things are missing from GW's webstore... there are no pitches, no dice sets, no card packs, no sleeves. Seems a little odd. Do you think they're getting rid of that stuff entirely, or just no longer stocking the old ones?
Glad I already got all of them, though I did want to pick up more sleeves for future card packs, assuming any future card packs exist.
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Nobody knows, stuff gone and comeback in the past, I guess it up to the demand, although I highly doubt the card would come back, the dice and pitch, maybe.
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Post by: Original Timmy
Chopstick wrote:Nobody knows, stuff gone and comeback in the past, I guess it up to the demand, although I highly doubt the card would come back, the dice and pitch, maybe.
I hope the cards come back too as they had the extra "effect" type cards
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Post by: Chikout
A lot of the extra bloodbowl stuff has been reprinted several times, especially the pitches. With warehouse space currently at a premium, GW probably thinks it is safer to do several smaller print runs, rather than ending up with a pile of pitches taking up warehouse space.
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Post by: Thargrim
All of that dice/pitches and stuff I believe is outsourced and printed by a different company. They also sold out of much of the necromunda stuff, and even dice for core WH40k armies that never got restocked. I think it's wild they can't even keep unique dice stocked for their #1 selling game, if something sells out then I dunno I think it's selling well enough to consider producing more, at least until sales slow down.
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Or they just discarded/delist the entire stock since I highly doubt all of them sold out at the same time.
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