Thumbs up from Lord Borak!

I’m at he point I need to see the unpainted versions from FW. As it stands I won’t buy that from the paint job making it look more like a fourth party sculpt than pros.

 Thargrim wrote:
All of that dice/pitches and stuff I believe is outsourced and printed by a different company. They also sold out of much of the necromunda stuff, and even dice for core WH40k armies that never got restocked. I think it's wild they can't even keep unique dice stocked for their #1 selling game, if something sells out then I dunno I think it's selling well enough to consider producing more, at least until sales slow down.

Maybe the sales already have slowed down?

It's amazing the amount of products released for Blood Bowl. There's about 24 teams (we're closing in on half already released?), each team gets so much content (dice, pitches, magazine, cards, cheerleaders ++), some teams come in alternative sculpts, then there's the big guys, star players, books, sleeves ++. How many unique Blood Bowl products have been released now, after 2.5 years? And much more to come in the future!

 Theophony wrote:
I’m at he point I need to see the unpainted versions from FW. As it stands I won’t buy that from the paint job making it look more like a fourth party sculpt than pros.

Check the FW store... Anyway it's a weird and un-natural looking pose, I knew it's suppose to be comical but there're better way than this.

There's nothing in that other picture that was obscured by the painted one.

I honestly thought this was a "Made to order" model dredged up from the older Blood Bowl game, not a new model.
Why does Necromunda get mostly great sculpts, but Blood bowl usually suffers?

Chopstick wrote:

 Theophony wrote:
I’m at he point I need to see the unpainted versions from FW. As it stands I won’t buy that from the paint job making it look more like a fourth party sculpt than pros.

Check the FW store... Anyway it's a weird and un-natural looking pose, I knew it's suppose to be comical but there're better way than this.

I really like this model.

I don’t like the right arm. Maybe it’s the chain mail that’s doing it, or the pose, but it looks off to me. The shoes aren’t helping, I see evil Santa elf shoes more than stomping shoes.

Football boots with steel toecaps. and long socks.

I like the chaos symbol necklace he's got.

I think he's brilliantly funny - though I note we see more "bad forge world paint" (tm).

I missed that it was actual spikes on the toes in the painted picture. Thought it was just long pointy toed boots.

Baxx wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:
All of that dice/pitches and stuff I believe is outsourced and printed by a different company. They also sold out of much of the necromunda stuff, and even dice for core WH40k armies that never got restocked. I think it's wild they can't even keep unique dice stocked for their #1 selling game, if something sells out then I dunno I think it's selling well enough to consider producing more, at least until sales slow down.

Maybe the sales already have slowed down?

It's amazing the amount of products released for Blood Bowl. There's about 24 teams (we're closing in on half already released?), each team gets so much content (dice, pitches, magazine, cards, cheerleaders ++), some teams come in alternative sculpts, then there's the big guys, star players, books, sleeves ++. How many unique Blood Bowl products have been released now, after 2.5 years? And much more to come in the future!

True, but it sucks for anyone new to the game. They'll be stuck with the basic pitch, or shell out for a neoprone one, not to mention be stuck with green/blue dice instead of any kind of generic dice. Good thing about the Necromunda boxed set is the dice and boards are generic and can be used with any team. But the accessories in the BB core set are very much unique to only two teams. Also, going by last year by now we should have had the second team of the year announced and then released in a couple months. The release schedule for BB this year has been very slow, we sitll don't have a release date for Halflings. If they plan on releasing four teams this year, it looks like they might all end up being close together during the last six months of 2019.

Deeproot Strongbranch shown off.



Paintjob isn’t great, but model seems solid enough.

Well that's uhh... ugly.

Hope the raw resin is better.

I think it’s the paintjob for realises this time.

There’s just no, ahem, Contrast in the palette. Just natural hues.

Stick a bit of red or blue on, and it might help the sculpt pop?

The squirrel looks really good.

Not a fan of the nob nose though.

There are sooooo many Deadpool insult lines that could describe how that looks....but in Warhammer terms I think it looks like a GUO’s hemeroid exploded and had had baby hemeroids .

All things considered, it's not the worst FW BB model out there.

I kinda like it, looks really angry in contrast with the more silly halflings. Still hoping the regular treeman is plastic though.

I think it’s better than the Rat Ogre imho. Mildly perturbed they’re showing this before any generic treemen.

I like the Borak model. Giving a thumbs up to the fans while he's charging forwards. It's got style written all over it.

The Treeman? Mr Dong-nose looks more like a Slaneshi Tentacle Monster that was painted the wrong colours.

Meh. They look like they could've been made in the 90's. Sad that the main line have moved on, but BB is still stuck there.

Both the chaos and tree man look terrible. Worse than the oop models.

If I played Chaos in Blood Bowl, and I bought FW models, I would buy that Borak model in a Heartbeat.

It is one of the most fun, capturing the soul of a Blood Bowl models I’ve ever seen.

Oh god that Tree man. Kill it with fire.

Aw... Borak is $35 CAD plus shipping and (probably?) brokerage. That’s a kick in the pants.

I will continue to convert the BB players I need.

not a fan of the treeman... at all.

Borak though is bloody great, he's like The Beano version of chaos, love the socks and boots and pose and all of it.

Photos from WarhammerFest. Deeproot and Flings. Love the sandwiches

https://twitter.com/bromleybbl/status/1127159432209678337

Love that green and yellow paintjob of the uniforms.

Oh my god, the sandwiches

Annoyed by the lack of regular Treemen.

"It’s been a great season for Blood Bowl fans so far, with the Halflings nearly ready to make their less-than-glorious return to the tabletop!



They aren’t the only classic lineup getting a revamp this year – here’s your first look one of the all-new Wood Elf players!



Get used to this player – you’ll be seeing them in your End Zone a lot. He won’t be alone, either – the Wood Elf Blood Bowl team will be joined by Willow Rosebark, a Dryad Star Player also available to Halfing squads – Nuffle knows they need the help!"

We better not wait half a year for a treeman

That wood elf looks great. It would make an exellentAOS model if one replaced the ball with a spear.

Willow is really awesome.

New rules for BB in 2020



https://gematsu.com/2019/05/blood-bowl-iii-announced?fbclid=IwAR0ZUa1JE_S59MsTbishJQrlaMv97s-zW_Scs3xWZynEB_QCCxlbnFzNsZA

"... all-new game rules"

Wow, not sure how to feel about this. It could be fantastic. I'm definitely worried, but I think I'm leaning toward optimism? So far, this development team has been doing a great job. But a true new edition, rather than just tweaking the old rules, for the first time in like 20 years? That's a huge feat. I hope they're up for it.

Paper edition?

Warhams-77 wrote:
Paper edition?

They mean "paper" as opposed to "digital." Since it's being announced by Cyanide.


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Come to think of it, this could explain a lot of the items leaving the store... if the cards and such aren't going to be compatible with the new edition, it makes some sense to pull them. Though it doesn't explain the dice and pitches unless it's a *really* drastic change.

I really enjoy blood bowl the way it is though. They could do more to make it a bit less clunky and reduce the playtime. But i'm not sure that's a good thing.

Maybe they only refer to a new videogame to adapt it to the current rules ..

certainly poorly expressed

zamerion wrote:
Maybe they only refer to a new videogame to adapt it to the current rules ..

certainly poorly expressed

"... coincide with the release of the new paper edition in 2020, which is being revamped with all-new game rules."

I don't think there's anything ambiguous there. We are getting a new physical edition in 2020. The only question is how different it will be.


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 Thargrim wrote:
I really enjoy blood bowl the way it is though. They could do more to make it a bit less clunky and reduce the playtime. But i'm not sure that's a good thing.

I was thinking the same thing. If they could keep all the things that make it great while cutting the play time down, I could really enjoy that. But that's not easy.

On Facebook some are noting this may be a mistranslation of the Cyanide post. They think the word coincide (in French) means more 'to match' (the BB2016 rules set) rather then 'timed to occur at the same time as' (a new edition.)

New token HEAVY version of Bloodbowl with action dials inbound. Just like X-wing

zamerion wrote:
On Facebook some are noting this may be a mistranslation of the Cyanide post. They think the word coincide (in French) means more 'to match' (the BB2016 rules set) rather then 'timed to occur at the same time as' (a new edition.)

Oh, I forgot Cyanide was a French company. That's a good point. If there was a tense issue as well, it could be "Blood Bowl 3 will come out in 2020, and match the new paper edition, which has been revamped with all-new game rules."

I think it's pretty clearly saying BB3 will coincide with a new version of BB that will have new rules.

Thing is the SG team won't have all the teams out for the current rules by 2020. Not at the pace things are releasing at. Hopefully we can get a re confirmation of this.

 Thargrim wrote:
I really enjoy blood bowl the way it is though. They could do more to make it a bit less clunky and reduce the playtime. But i'm not sure that's a good thing.

I also love the rules as is, but if they could cut half an hour or 45 minutes off the game while keeping the same charm and general play style BB would probably be my favorite game.

I'd also like to see GW put out official rules and a pitch for 7s at some point. It's a great format for shorter games and I probably enjoy it more than normal BB.

Bloodbowl IMO could do well with some rebalancing.

I realize large parts of the community finds the unbalanced teams to be an important ingredience of the charm, but I think it would definately spice things up if every halfling team you face weren't always underpowered and every Orc team in the top tier.
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More importantly though, it would be nice to have some rebalance of the skills. (far to many no-brainers now) as well as spicing up certain teams. Some have an abundance of entries (like Orcs, Norsca, Undead, while some are lacking in variety (Halflings, Chaos, Lizardmen).

I really like what GW's doing with halflings now for example, giving them two new entries. Making them much less one-dimensional

 Thargrim wrote:
Thing is the SG team won't have all the teams out for the current rules by 2020. Not at the pace things are releasing at. Hopefully we can get a re confirmation of this.

Yeah, I assume the new edition (if it is a thing) would use the same teams. So they would just keep releasing teams at the same rate, but under the new rules set.

Still seems entirely possible that this is a translation issue, but yeah, I'd love to see a quicker rules set. I've tried 7's; it's decent, but feels more random and less focused on resource management, which is one of the things that makes Blood Bowl great, IMO.

 Zywus wrote:
Bloodbowl IMO could do well with some rebalancing.

I realize large parts of the community finds the unbalanced teams to be an important ingredience of the charm, but I think it would definately spice things up if every halfling team you face weren't always underpowered and every Orc team in the top tier.
'
More importantly though, it would be nice to have some rebalance of the skills. (far to many no-brainers now) as well as spicing up certain teams. Some have an abundance of entries (like Orcs, Norsca, Undead, while some are lacking in variety (Halflings, Chaos, Lizardmen).

I really like what GW's doing with halflings now for example, giving them two new entries. Making them much less one-dimensional

I think you misunderstand the tier design. Orcs are top tier, along with 75% of other teams. Here's a quote from Tom Anders, one of the members of the BBRC involved in LRB5 and 6 (everything from BB2016 is based on those rulesets).

[...]What the BBRC officially used to balance the tiers was this:

Tier 1: Any team not in another Tier
Tier 1.5: Chaos Pact, Slann and Underworld
Tier 2: Vampire
Tier 3: Halfling, Goblin, Ogre

For the BBRC meeting last October to finalize the CRP we defined the Tiers like this though:

Tier 1: 55% to 45% win rate in average league play (with ties counting as 1/2 wins)
Tier 1.5: 50% to 40%
Tier 2: 45% to 35%
Tier 3: 35% to 30%

Galak

Source: http://www.talkfantasyfootball.org/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=27091&p=482918&hilit=tier#p482918

Note that tier 1 overlaps with tier 1.5 and tier 1.5 overlaps with tier 2.

In essence, you have explicit joke teams in tiers 2 and 3, interesting teams with flaws holding them down in tier 1.5, and everyone else. Within tier 1, there's a huge variety. I'd support reasonable changes to balance teams better in tier 1 (there are standouts at the top and bottom).

The tier design is a feature, not a bug (for example, our league has an informal practice where the coach who wins switches to a stunty team the following season). If you're proposing a system where Halflings have the same chance of winning as wood elfs, you're missing the point.

I support rebalanced rosters, reworking skills and refining the campaign system. Inducements, particularly special play cards from BB2016, need some work.

decker_cky wrote:
What the BBRC officially used to balance the tiers was this:

Tier 1: Any team not in another Tier
Tier 1.5: Chaos Pact, Slann and Underworld
Tier 2: Vampire
Tier 3: Halfling, Goblin, Ogre

For the BBRC meeting last October to finalize the CRP we defined the Tiers like this though:

Tier 1: 55% to 45% win rate in average league play (with ties counting as 1/2 wins)
Tier 1.5: 50% to 40%
Tier 2: 45% to 35%
Tier 3: 35% to 30%

I don't know if this is true, but reading this, I can't help but think that the Halfling team changes were made in order to bring them up into that 30-35% range.

zamerion wrote:
New rules for BB in 2020



https://gematsu.com/2019/05/blood-bowl-iii-announced?fbclid=IwAR0ZUa1JE_S59MsTbishJQrlaMv97s-zW_Scs3xWZynEB_QCCxlbnFzNsZA

LOL, I still play Blood Bowl and haven´t touched BB 2 because of the stupid aging rules. I am now in the 50th season or so with my Dark Elf team and don´t consider to buy into BB 3. Just a quick advice to Cyanide:

Put as many micro-transactions into BB 3 as you can. The younger generation loves this kind of garbage.

Here's some stats for LRB6 that suggest halflings exceed the 30-35% target (a few teams outperform 55% too). The BBRC relied on that, and other sources of data for adjustments to the roster.

http://www.plasmoids.dk/bbowl/LRB6Stats.htm

decker_cky wrote:

 Zywus wrote:
Bloodbowl IMO could do well with some rebalancing.

I realize large parts of the community finds the unbalanced teams to be an important ingredience of the charm, but I think it would definately spice things up if every halfling team you face weren't always underpowered and every Orc team in the top tier.
'
More importantly though, it would be nice to have some rebalance of the skills. (far to many no-brainers now) as well as spicing up certain teams. Some have an abundance of entries (like Orcs, Norsca, Undead, while some are lacking in variety (Halflings, Chaos, Lizardmen).

I really like what GW's doing with halflings now for example, giving them two new entries. Making them much less one-dimensional

I think you misunderstand the tier design. Orcs are top tier, along with 75% of other teams. Here's a quote from Tom Anders, one of the members of the BBRC involved in LRB5 and 6 (everything from BB2016 is based on those rulesets).

[...]What the BBRC officially used to balance the tiers was this:

Tier 1: Any team not in another Tier
Tier 1.5: Chaos Pact, Slann and Underworld
Tier 2: Vampire
Tier 3: Halfling, Goblin, Ogre

For the BBRC meeting last October to finalize the CRP we defined the Tiers like this though:

Tier 1: 55% to 45% win rate in average league play (with ties counting as 1/2 wins)
Tier 1.5: 50% to 40%
Tier 2: 45% to 35%
Tier 3: 35% to 30%

Galak

Source: http://www.talkfantasyfootball.org/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=27091&p=482918&hilit=tier#p482918

Note that tier 1 overlaps with tier 1.5 and tier 1.5 overlaps with tier 2.

In essence, you have explicit joke teams in tiers 2 and 3, interesting teams with flaws holding them down in tier 1.5, and everyone else. Within tier 1, there's a huge variety. I'd support reasonable changes to balance teams better in tier 1 (there are standouts at the top and bottom).

The tier design is a feature, not a bug (for example, our league has an informal practice where the coach who wins switches to a stunty team the following season). If you're proposing a system where Halflings have the same chance of winning as wood elfs, you're missing the point.

I support rebalanced rosters, reworking skills and refining the campaign system. Inducements, particularly special play cards from BB2016, need some work.

I would prefer if if no teams were explicit joke teams. That might have been the intention, but nothing says that must be the case forever.

If tiers are a feature, I find it to be a pretty lousy one unfortunately, since it means someone cannot freely chose between the teams and the power of ones team. You can always handicap yourself by choosing a sub-par build with a good team, but not the other way around. As with all wargames, it's always best to have the base game balanced and let the leagues themselves unbalance the system if the like, rather than the other way ariund.

It's true that outside the bottom 3-4 teams there's at least decent balance among them so a more pressing issue would be internal balance. There's often pretty obvious ways to construct "the best team" from a certain list (when's the last time you saw a Orc team with less than 4 blitzers for example?) and as teams progress, some skills are obvious must-haves while others are almost never taken. This leads to teams of a type looking rather the same, and also their progresson looking similar.

I think a team like Halfling can be a joke team, just like some games (One new example being Mordhau) have handicap options for veteran players that want that extra challenge.

But everything else should try to be balanced.

As a tradition with Specialist game new rulebook release, be prepare for typos, lots lots of typo. Hopefully the 2020 edition won't be full blow Blitz bowl 2.0(while it's a fun game, it's not what I want)

Chopstick wrote:
As a tradition with Specialist game new rulebook release, be prepare for typos, lots lots of typo. Hopefully the 2020 edition won't be full blow Blitz bowl 2.0(while it's a fun game, it's not what I want)

That is a worry of mine as well, if it's anything like the initial necromunda underhive release i'll pass on it 100%. Took them a year+ afterwards to finally release a coherent rulebook. I can't say I really trust their writers to do any significant changes to the game, seems like a risky move.

The only upside will he if they do a new syarter of amazons vs lizardmen.

But I feel like Ibmay never get my long awaited lizzies:(

 Strg Alt wrote:

LOL, I still play Blood Bowl and haven´t touched BB 2 because of the stupid aging rules.

those rules were in proper Blood Bowl at the time. If this new version of the computer game is based on the current version of the tabletop game, aging will be gone again.

The post from BigBen/Cyanide with the BB3 announcement has mysteriously disappeared. Looks like someone made a balls up somewhere so people can read into that what they will.

I imagine we'll be hearing confirmation of the new TT version shortly then.

Or simply a better translation of the original French.

Or they'll just pretend it never happened and let people wildly speculate and doomsayers to cause mass panic in the community for months on end.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Or simply a better translation of the original French.

From what I hear, I'm pretty sure it is not a mistranslation. But we shall see

Oh it isn't a mistranslation. There will be all new rules for sure. GW dose this time and time again with every game they have in order to get the copyright. They went as far as changing "space Marine" to " adeptus asarties" imperial guard to "Astra militarium" because they couldn't copyright space Marine or impiral guard. They change the spelling of elves... The took man o war and turned it into dreadfleet. The list goes on and on. My guess is they had no way to put a lid on the lrb that is widely and freely available so what are they going to do? Make new rules that you have to buy from them. I understand to some extent. Blood Bowl has free rules hundreds of teams you can buy from any number of third parties and it has been going on so long that there is now no way for them to bring it back under their control but a complete redux. I just don't see a community that has been around for 30 years conforming to a new ruleset especially if they make the game worse. They can't make it better.

I have to say that the thought of blood bowl rules getting AOS'd and streamlined etc... prepares me to drop the game.

Of course I'll wait and see but I play Blood Bowl for certain reasons, and if those reasons are all removed in the name of making it "faster" and "easier" and if they make it wombo combo related like their other main games are, thats the end of the line for me.

People will just go back to lrb

rothrich wrote:
People will just go back to lrb

Yeah, the NAF will just shrug and go back to the LRB. Blood Bowl was doing fine for a decade without GW's support. If they do something really dumb, it'll live on.

Of course, that's assuming something will happen, and this wasn't just a screwup from a Cyanide social media coordinator, misinterpreting GW's continued team/Spike magazine release schedule.

The one thing to consider is that whenever there is an official updated edition to your game that is alive, it will split communities and make it harder for new blood to be introduced to the game.

It is not a guarantee that the NAF will ignore it. Much the same was said when AOS appeared... that WHFB would just live on.

I know there is a "9th age" that seems to be in one corner of the world but there is no whfb or a 9th age anywhere that I can see in north america being played short of random peoples' garages.

AoS stuff is just made up. They are half way through releasing the teams. There is no logical reason to panic about that.

New rules, yes.

 auticus wrote:
The one thing to consider is that whenever there is an official updated edition to your game that is alive, it will split communities and make it harder for new blood to be introduced to the game.

It is not a guarantee that the NAF will ignore it. Much the same was said when AOS appeared... that WHFB would just live on.

I know there is a "9th age" that seems to be in one corner of the world but there is no whfb or a 9th age anywhere that I can see in north america being played short of random peoples' garages.

Yeah, that's definitely a worry. I think there are some differences between the BB and WHFB communities that could help the game survive. Blood Bowl isn't as much of a cost investment to get into, and there's a lot more 3rd party support. And the NAF has a record of not having support from the games parent company but still keeping the game alive and introducing the game to new people. WHFB had a community, but not an organization.

HOWEVER - this could also mean an actual book release of the rules. So far, the only way to get the rules for Blood Bowl is to buy the starter set (or a PDF of the old LRB or CRB). Maybe this just means a seperate hardcover release?

BB is from the FW team. They keep making "complex" games. (necromunda, HH, adeptus titanicus..)

Maybe they just change activations alternating miniatures as they have done in necromunda or something like that

Vorian wrote:
AoS stuff is just made up. They are half way through releasing the teams. There is no logical reason to panic about that.

New rules, yes.

When I say "AOS it" I mean super streamlining the rules and making the game about combos and deck building. Or cutting players down to 7 to match the 7s game (I say that because thats a common request I hear semi-regular... make official blood bowl 7s to make the game go faster)

Something like "while your thrower is on the field, all catchers get +1 to catch", "while the ogre is on the field, adjacent allies get +1 str". Crap like that. I don't like wombo combo games being everywhere.

New AOS teams: Stormcast Eternals, Seraphons, deepkin. Basically new worlds to play on with new rules.

God I hope not, but will probably happen.

I can see new races. I don't really mind that.

edit: provided they don't do what they do in AOS and make a new faction like a stormcast team be super powered and OP to move models.

It's probably just a new compendium. They can barely keep up with "4 teams per year" statement, let alone a brand new release with new teams and rules... at least until they go through most of the 24 teams.

Tomorrow there's a Licensing Preview scheduled in the Twitch channel. That would hopefully clear things up.

 montanhas18 wrote:

It's probably just a new compendium. They can barely keep up with "4 teams per year" statement, let alone a brand new release with new teams and rules... at least until they go through most of the 24 teams.

When has lack of ability to Finnish what they started had any bearing on wether or not they move on to the next thing?

It does seem unlikely that they would completely change the game now, rather than when they re-released it. Not impossible, but certainly not what I'd expect to happen (if anything is to actually happen at all).


Also, that Wood Elf is very promising. The 6th ed aesthetic was in my mind one of the best updates they ever did, and combined with modern plastic design and dynamic poses.. yes please.

Funny enough the BB twitter and bigben accounts deleted all their tweets and the announcement. So yeah someone screwed up.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:

LOL, I still play Blood Bowl and haven´t touched BB 2 because of the stupid aging rules.

those rules were in proper Blood Bowl at the time. If this new version of the computer game is based on the current version of the tabletop game, aging will be gone again.

Cyanide BB is based on LRB6, which didn't have aging. Cyanide, and not GW, is the only company to have distributed the full LRB6. When LRB6 came out, GW stripped out all the fluff and some of the rules and distributed it as CRP.

Cyanide's aging is a house rule added to respond to certain issues that arise in their perpetual leagues.

rothrich wrote:
Oh it isn't a mistranslation. There will be all new rules for sure. GW dose this time and time again with every game they have in order to get the copyright. They went as far as changing "space Marine" to " adeptus asarties" imperial guard to "Astra militarium" because they couldn't copyright space Marine or impiral guard. They change the spelling of elves... The took man o war and turned it into dreadfleet. The list goes on and on. My guess is they had no way to put a lid on the lrb that is widely and freely available so what are they going to do? Make new rules that you have to buy from them. I understand to some extent. Blood Bowl has free rules hundreds of teams you can buy from any number of third parties and it has been going on so long that there is now no way for them to bring it back under their control but a complete redux. I just don't see a community that has been around for 30 years conforming to a new ruleset especially if they make the game worse. They can't make it better.

That's … not how copyright works. If they were going to do that, they'd have done it in 2016 when the new game came out.

Halflings go up on PreOrder this weekend. Old Treeman and the hotpot are getting the Made To Order treatment. Doesn’t bode well for a new Treeman model soon.

 AduroT wrote:
Halflings go up on PreOrder this weekend. Old Treeman and the hotpot are getting the Made To Order treatment. Doesn’t bode well for a new Treeman model soon.

The article specifically states next weekend for the preorders.

Next weekend will see new models to pre-order for Blood Bowl and Necromunda. Join Jim & Bob as they take a look at a new team and learn more about the underhive return of a pair of fan favourites.

Not sure why it went up today rather than Sunday as usual, but maybe they won't have people around on Sunday to make sure everything goes off smoothly?

They're really just going to do a week long made to order to cover for a lack of basic Treemen?

Really?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
Halflings go up on PreOrder this weekend. Old Treeman and the hotpot are getting the Made To Order treatment. Doesn’t bode well for a new Treeman model soon.

The article specifically states next weekend for the preorders.

Next weekend will see new models to pre-order for Blood Bowl and Necromunda. Join Jim & Bob as they take a look at a new team and learn more about the underhive return of a pair of fan favourites.

Not sure why it went up today rather than Sunday as usual, but maybe they won't have people around on Sunday to make sure everything goes off smoothly?

Ah, my mistake, thank you.

rothrich wrote:
Oh it isn't a mistranslation. There will be all new rules for sure. GW dose this time and time again with every game they have in order to get the copyright. They went as far as changing "space Marine" to " adeptus asarties" imperial guard to "Astra militarium" because they couldn't copyright space Marine or impiral guard. They change the spelling of elves... The took man o war and turned it into dreadfleet. The list goes on and on. My guess is they had no way to put a lid on the lrb that is widely and freely available so what are they going to do? Make new rules that you have to buy from them. I understand to some extent. Blood Bowl has free rules hundreds of teams you can buy from any number of third parties and it has been going on so long that there is now no way for them to bring it back under their control but a complete redux. I just don't see a community that has been around for 30 years conforming to a new ruleset especially if they make the game worse. They can't make it better.

"GW is a model company and not a games company."

This is GW´s credo. I still remember the cluster feth of rules which was the re-release of N17. Only the dedication of the fan base and their introduction of custom rules made it playable.
So they want to redesign BB with the next iteration of the game? Be my guest as I won´t touch it with a ten foot pole. I have downloaded the living rulebook years ago and have a lot of BB teams. GW, you won´t see a single cent from me.

 montanhas18 wrote:
Tomorrow there's a Licensing Preview scheduled in the Twitch channel. That would hopefully clear things up.

Did anyone watch that? Any new info?

I would like to see less emphasis on creating “long term” damage, and more focus on playing the ball. My experience is that the best long-term strategy for non elf / skaven teams (most teams) is to bash and, I almost forgot, 2 guys to play the ball.

 greatbigtree wrote:
I would like to see less emphasis on creating “long term” damage, and more focus on playing the ball. My experience is that the best long-term strategy for non elf / skaven teams (most teams) is to bash and, I almost forgot, 2 guys to play the ball.

To me, that seems to just be the playstyle that the majority of players have decided is "correct." And maybe they're right, but I've had a lot of success with other builds. When I play lizardmen, for instance, I've been known to start with only 3 sauruses, 3 re-rolls, and 9 skinks. Skinks are crazy fast, and can pull off plays nobody else can. They're also more resilient than you'd expect, thanks to dodge. Obviously Tackle is a huge problem for this style, but the only team that starts with much Tackle (dwarves) are extremely slow, so I can often just stay completely out of their threat range with most of my players.

Experiment with unconventional ways to play; you might surprise some people.

I don’t mean to be down on that plan, but in my experience, Linemen and Blockers generally take Block followed by Tackle.

I’ve played more traditional Lizzies with lots of Saurus and I *still* go through skinks like crazy, because Tackle gets taken to deal with them. That’s been my experience, anyhow. I tend to play long-term leagues, where we run into the “spiraling expenses” rules. By that point, tackle is widespread and my skinks *without* block are just hiding behind the big guys.

The worst experience I’ve had was a league where the Dwarf player had some lucky early games and got skills on like all his Linemen and they all picked up Guard. It was the absolute least fun thing to play into.

 AduroT wrote:
The worst experience I’ve had was a league where the Dwarf player had some lucky early games and got skills on like all his Linemen and they all picked up Guard. It was the absolute least fun thing to play into.

Happens in most leagues where there are crunchy teams like skaven, goblins, halflings and even skink heavy Lizardmen teams. It’s the first skill I put on my Dwarf linemen.

Dwarf Linemen also start with two skills that make squishier teams sad baseline. Their linemen are more skilled than most other teams blitzers.

Most other teams linemens will pick block or wrestle first, of course. Maybe one of them will get kick to get more choice where the ball goes.

Everybody saw they put these up for made to order right?

That treeman is as awful as the hotpot is amazing.

Hotpot was released in 1992 and goes for silly money on eBay. So glad they’ve made it available again. Time to grab 2-3 for my oldhammer empire army...

I almost feel like I should “report” that generic treeman picture. At this moment, I can’t think of a model I’d be more ashamed to have released to the public. Dick-nose doesn’t look so bad anymore, and I’d never use *that* model.

It’s less of a Treeman and more of a Firewoodman.

Have they rebased that 25-year-old hotpot, or just photoshopped it onto round bases?

Photoshopped by the looks.


I want to like the old treeman. But I also really want to dislike it. I'm stuck in an uncomfortable spot between "yay nostalgia and hrmm dated sculpt"

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/05/20/blood-bowl-on-hard-modegw-homepage-post-3fw-homepage-post-2/

Artwork Treemen didn't look that bad.



It's resin, not plastic, so I don't understand why they didn't follow this.

The generic one might look more like that. The one we’ve got atm is a character (or the old made to order one).

 Snrub wrote:
Photoshopped by the looks.


I want to like the old treeman. But I also really want to dislike it. I'm stuck in an uncomfortable spot between "yay nostalgia and hrmm dated sculpt"

That one's not old enough to get nostalgic about. Trish Carden's early 90s Marauder treemen, though ...

I guess the 'treeman' is usable as some kind of wooden 'robot' or golem. Just place a halfling (or pet squirrel...) on top to operate some (also wooden) levers. Wouldn't use it for Wood Elves though.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

Dice used to be £7, why the increase!?

 Original Timmy wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

Dice used to be £7, why the increase!?

Maybe they got McDonald’s Supersized

I wasn’t going to get the halfling team, but then I saw the sandwich ball.

If we get a plastic tree man with a birds nest in its mouth or on it I would definitely consider buying it. Could use it for wood elves and halflings, I like dual purpose models like that. Unfortunately GW pressures me hard to buy the pitch/dice/cards and crap because all that stuff is limited. I failed to get the elven union pitch in time, so tired of the limited stuff.

Rough idea when Wood Elves would arrive?

They don't even have a full team picture.

Come back in 3 months. Or maybe they'll show it at the UK expo this month.

The halflings come on 3 different little sprues, first time they've done that with a BB team so far? Kinda more irked they couldn't fit a tree man in there now, since this time they weren't restricted to a single sprue doubled.

John D Law wrote:
Everybody saw they put these up for made to order right?

That Treeman must of been released as a joke. It's old Nagash level bad.

 Thargrim wrote:
The halflings come on 3 different little sprues, first time they've done that with a BB team so far? Kinda more irked they couldn't fit a tree man in there now, since this time they weren't restricted to a single sprue doubled.

There are HUGE space in those sprue that could have been extra bits/ body. They just can't afford to give you 2 of this sprue with only 1 token, 1 turn mark, so you have extra space for more bits/player, they're halfling, they need more than 12 guys . They want you to buy 2 box just to get 1-3 more guys for the team....

The fact that the Champions of Death have 14 models while Halflings and Gobbos have 12 will never NOT be downright stupid.

I suspect the halflings might get a supplement pack with two each of their new positions (Blocker-lite and Catcher I believe?)

Why? You already get two of each positionals in the box.

They need to release a treeman in order to actually have the team playable, even for the worst team in Blood Bowl!

 Crazyterran wrote:
Why? You already get two of each positionals in the box.

They need to release a treeman in order to actually have the team playable, even for the worst team in Blood Bowl!

You're right. I thought the box was just 12 regular halflings. Didn't realize some of them is supposed to represent new positions

 Zywus wrote:
You're right. I thought the box was just 12 regular halflings. Didn't realize some of them is supposed to represent new positions

Well Malibu Stacy has to have a new hat, otherwise why would people buy something they already own.

Can't wait for the Lizardmen positionals.

Anyone know a good GW model to replace the treemen for the Halflings? The old, made to order treeman is... well, it is what it is.

I was thinking of using some of the smaller 32mm models from the Sylvaneth, since anything looks big compared to halflings, but I don't think they would measure up to the other big guy models.

 Crazyterran wrote:
Anyone know a good GW model to replace the treemen for the Halflings? The old, made to order treeman is... well, it is what it is.

I was thinking of using some of the smaller 32mm models from the Sylvaneth, since anything looks big compared to halflings, but I don't think they would measure up to the other big guy models.

LOTR Ent or Kurnoth Hunter.

The Ent is kinda big but you can chop him up to make him shorter. Wouldn't be too hard.

No way i'm buying a new kit of kurnoths just as a temporary placeholder. I'm hoping I can grab a couple unbuilt dryads cheap and use those. All that matters to me is that they are taller than the halflings by a bit. As for their ST6, i'll just tell people it's woodland magic strength. Plus dryads are small enough to lie face up/down.

I have Kurnoths I used. It’s nice because one box gives you enough for two regular plus the Star Player.

If it's only a placeholder, make your own out of sticks.

All I can say is I'm really *really* glad I didn't drop $60+ buying the blood bowl referees off ebay. I didn't think they'd remake them again so its a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.

OMG, those Woodies

Those masks...awesome BB team and Eldar corsairs/Slaanesh marauders in one cheap kit? Yes, please.

The flippy dippy panzees are back!

They made 2 heads for all dudes

On the other hand, the female models pose is kinda...meh. What's with the karate chop/ palm strike?

Surely they Have to have a plastic Treeman coming!

 AduroT wrote:
Surely they Have to have a plastic Treeman coming!

Right after the plastic rat ogre and minotaur

and please don’t call me shirley

Anyone seen the new Halfling special ball rules?

Kinda like that Wood Elf team.

3rd Elf team... I would like to see more Human teams as well.

Or at least the lizardmen!

Yeah after wood elves they need to turn around and do one of the more interesting teams, whether it's vamps/lizardmen/chorfs/norse etc. I have little to no desire to see ogres or khemri anytime soon either.

edit: also bummed they didn't do a painting guide for halflings, they did one for about every other team cept for dwarfs. I wanted to see duncan paint those lil buggers.

Nah, I'm sure that the next tea will be as equally uninteresting for me as the previous ones, so the chances of any kind of Lizardman, human (be it norse, amazons, or my pipe dream of a cool Tilean Calccio Fiorentino style team will never materialize, except in resin, a material which i wont buy.)

I love Woodies, so no complaint there. Elf Union before Lizardmen should be straight up criminal, though.

 Binabik15 wrote:
I love Woodies, so no complaint there. Elf Union before Lizardmen should be straight up criminal, though.

Everyone wants Lizards.

The reason for Elven Union coming out so early in the cycle was apparently (as per Andy Hoare etc. when asked) because the higher ups at GW were wanting to be pretty cautions with the BB2016 releases as there was some hesitation/scepticism that it might not do as well as it needed to in order to warrant multiple plastic releases and they only produced limited runs of a lot of other stuff (hence why everything used to by out of stock for so bloody long). The SG team decided to work around this by using one of their limited plastic slots to get the more 'generic' Elven Union team out and then they could produce Resin kits via FW to convert them into Dark Elves, Wood Elves etc. Obviously BB2016 sold well beyond their expectations and they've been playing catch up ever since; making all the teams in plastic meant they took longer to come out overall but I'd imagine most people would consider it better long term. Dark Elves coming out not that long after was something of shock considering they'd have been developed very late (especially considering that particular sculptor was a newer hire and they were his first plastic kit: it shows).

No complaint about Elf Union here, it is the best GW Blood Bowl kit ever made. The idea of interchangeable part is simply brilliant.

Only issue I have with elven union is the small contact point on the one foot poses. And no mohawks, some of their hair isn't very well sculpted. The ones in BB2 had a more cyber elf look and more distinct positionals. It still bugs me that I have to fill the slots in the bases too...just extra needless work.

Yeah, the hair is quite fragile, and it being flow into a direction make swapping them around can look quite odd. Keep them short and sporty would be a better choice.

Well, the Nurgle team have 0 peg on their leg, making slot base completely pointless, the hole for ball can be easily made with drill or knife.

From talfantasyfootball *Doesn't look to be any positional changes
*release is around a month (though take that to possibly be up to 2 months)
*still commited to 4 releases this year
*will be a *plastic* Treeman- but this will be a little while yet as was originally geared up to be resin
*several new star players - including a fae, a
zoat and what i assume is a young Treeman (3MA 5ST does not have take root)
*pitch, team cards, dice (with a wood effect)and spike as standard. The pitch looks lovely with a spring / autumn theme on each side

missed the last few minutes but did not see mention of the inducement cards revealed at Warhammer Fest


New Stars
Swiftvine Glimmershard - Forest Sprite - 7236 Disturbing Presence, Fend, Loner, Sidestep, Stab, Stunty [Wood Elf] 130k
Zolcath the Zoat - Zoat - 5529 Disturbing Presence, Juggernaut, Loner, Mighty Blow, Prehensile Tail, Regeneration, Sure Feet [WE, Amazon, Lizardmen] 280k
Gloriel Summerbloom - WE - 7247 Accurate, Dodge, Loner, Pass, Sidestep, Sure Hands [WE] 160k
Curnoth Darkwold - WE - 7347 Dodge, Frenzy, Jump-up, Leap, Loner, Wrestle [WE] 240k
Maple Highgrobe - Treeman - 35110 Grab, Loner, Mighty Blow, Stand Firm, Tentacles, Thick Skull [WE] 300k

The zoat sounds awesome, and glad to hear the plan is still 4 teams this year.

Zoat rules:

I really need this

So they have done Undead this year and Halflings? The Wood Elves will have to release pretty quick and then another team after that to make the 4/year goal.

‘Zons, Lizards or what, I wonder?

They said there won't be as long a gap between the Halflings and the Wood Elves as there was before the Halflings.

Didn't undead come out before 2019 began? I don't think they should be counting towards the four teams this year.

 Thargrim wrote:
Didn't undead come out before 2019 began? I don't think they should be counting towards the four teams this year.

IIRC it was Q1 this year they came out, i ordered my Undead dice on the 11th March and i think the team were released 3 or 4 weeks before.

I found an article on the community site that suggests they went up for pre order around november 30th 2018, so it's been a while already. I don't think anything for BB released in 2019 until the halfling release.

 Thargrim wrote:
I found an article on the community site that suggests they went up for pre order around november 30th 2018, so it's been a while already. I don't think anything for BB released in 2019 until the halfling release.

I stand corrected, those dice were around for a while then

The best thing about the zoat is that it lists both lizardmen and Amazon's as its teams- I almost dare to dream those teams will be released this year...

Oh my... if Forgeworld make an actual zoat...

Forest Spite?! It´s called Forest Sprite. Such errors on SPCs are really disturbing.

No it’s not. Wood elves and Tree-people hang out with Spites™, not sprites.
You seem to have missed the last five years or so of GW’s IP-wrangling.

A ZOAT!!1!!

Omg! That’s great! Fingers crossed that they’ll make a come back as the tyrannid’s heralds at some point, for 40k (though, they never did get squigs back...).

A perfect fit for BB!

 Mr_Rose wrote:
No it’s not. Wood elves and Tree-people hang out with Spites™, not sprites.
You seem to have missed the last five years or so of GW’s IP-wrangling.

Longer than that in this case. They’ve been called Spites at least since the 2005 Wood Elves army book.

It's a handy pun to demonstrate that these things - and the Wood Elves in general - can be nasty and, well, spiteful. If it was for trademark potential, they'd have made up a word.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Zoat rules:

Spoiler:

Wait...what? No way. Now we must do the dance of joy.

 skullking wrote:
A ZOAT!!1!!

Omg! That’s great! Fingers crossed that they’ll make a come back as the tyrannid’s heralds at some point, for 40k (though, they never did get squigs back...).

A perfect fit for BB!

Grabber Slasher is next!

Zetan wrote:

 greatbigtree wrote:
I would like to see less emphasis on creating “long term” damage, and more focus on playing the ball. My experience is that the best long-term strategy for non elf / skaven teams (most teams) is to bash and, I almost forgot, 2 guys to play the ball.

To me, that seems to just be the playstyle that the majority of players have decided is "correct." And maybe they're right, but I've had a lot of success with other builds. When I play lizardmen, for instance, I've been known to start with only 3 sauruses, 3 re-rolls, and 9 skinks. Skinks are crazy fast, and can pull off plays nobody else can. They're also more resilient than you'd expect, thanks to dodge. Obviously Tackle is a huge problem for this style, but the only team that starts with much Tackle (dwarves) are extremely slow, so I can often just stay completely out of their threat range with most of my players.

Experiment with unconventional ways to play; you might surprise some people.

Seems to me like you're talking short term, how you start with a fresh team. Long term is opposite. There are hardly any lizzies in long term. No elves for sure. Once you reach 1800+ TV, the only ones who survive are Chaos, Nurgle and Dwarves. Maybe some undead/regen teams. Try playing for months on BB2 endless mode. You can try play as experimental as you want, at that level, you either kill or get killed.

Baxx wrote:

Zetan wrote:

 greatbigtree wrote:
I would like to see less emphasis on creating “long term” damage, and more focus on playing the ball. My experience is that the best long-term strategy for non elf / skaven teams (most teams) is to bash and, I almost forgot, 2 guys to play the ball.

To me, that seems to just be the playstyle that the majority of players have decided is "correct." And maybe they're right, but I've had a lot of success with other builds. When I play lizardmen, for instance, I've been known to start with only 3 sauruses, 3 re-rolls, and 9 skinks. Skinks are crazy fast, and can pull off plays nobody else can. They're also more resilient than you'd expect, thanks to dodge. Obviously Tackle is a huge problem for this style, but the only team that starts with much Tackle (dwarves) are extremely slow, so I can often just stay completely out of their threat range with most of my players.

Experiment with unconventional ways to play; you might surprise some people.

Seems to me like you're talking short term, how you start with a fresh team. Long term is opposite. There are hardly any lizzies in long term. No elves for sure. Once you reach 1800+ TV, the only ones who survive are Chaos, Nurgle and Dwarves. Maybe some undead/regen teams. Try playing for months on BB2 endless mode. You can try play as experimental as you want, at that level, you either kill or get killed.

Sure, that makes sense. I guess I don't think about "endless mode" stuff much because that's not how the rules for the miniatures game are structured at all. The Death Zone/Almanac league rules have a lot in place to keep things from getting to that point. So when I think "long-term" I'm assuming multiple seasons with players retiring and all that, which is very different from the experience that you're talking about.


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 Thargrim wrote:
I found an article on the community site that suggests they went up for pre order around november 30th 2018, so it's been a while already. I don't think anything for BB released in 2019 until the halfling release.

This is correct. I work at an FLGS and still have the emails about the undead release. That wave (Undead team, dice, cards, pitch, Spike journal, as well as Almanac 2018) all released on December 8th. Halflings are the first team of 2019. They're going to have to start churning out teams a lot faster if they're going to get 3 more out this year.

They may count teams released for a year as those summarized in the Almanac book for that year?

Well the last almanac only had 3 spike magazines in it. And I don't know if they could fit more into a book that size. Maybe they could fit four but that might be pushing it. If that's the case the next one would be undead/halflings/wood elves/(unknown).

mortar_crew wrote:

 skullking wrote:
A ZOAT!!1!!

Omg! That’s great! Fingers crossed that they’ll make a come back as the tyrannid’s heralds at some point, for 40k (though, they never did get squigs back...).

A perfect fit for BB!

Grabber Slasher is next!

That would seem like a perfect fit for the nids. I'd love to see the dominators make a come back as well. Although, their role is nicely filled by plenty of newer stuff these days.

Back on Topic.

So other than the Lizard men, High Elves, Ogres, Vampire Counts, and Tomb Kings, how long until I can get new bloodbowl chaos dwarfs? They seem a bit more legit then the amazons, or the Norse team (no offense to them, I think they're all awesome! I just recall seeing CD's prior to those teams (and lizard men too, now that I think about it...)), but I'm not sure popularity wise, where they sit. I'm a big fan of the team, and I hope they make a come back in plastic. Resin Bull Centaurs, Star players, and even a more Chaos Dwarf-centric minotaur (as many 3rd parties have done) would be nice too.

Of the teams included in the 3rd edition game and Deathzone expansion, only Chaos Dwarves have yet to be re-made (while the Nurgle and Elven Union teams weren't official parts of that edition).

I coulda sworn it was mentioned a while ago in the twitch channel Andy mentioned the Chorfs will retain their big hats. To me that sounds like they had at least made some decisions on their looks, so maybe we'll see them in less than 12 months, being optimistic. The original sculpts are one of the standout old metal teams too, instantly recognizable and one of the less bland looking teams.

Tbh i'm not sure how to feel about the hats returning, cause the ones in the BB2 video game looked great and fit the more modern legion of azgorh look. But I really do expect the blockers to look something like this art (which is for BB2 but funny enough doesn't match the look of the team at all):

With the Zoat card being teased I can't help but think the one after the Woodies are Lizards.

 Crazyterran wrote:
With the Zoat card being teased I can't help but think the one after the Woodies are Lizards.

Amazons are also listed on the Zoat card though, so who knows. It would be nice to see them released too. Provided they are anywhere near as good as the escher sculpts.

I guess it wouldn't be too big of a retooling of the escher kit to make 'zons. The Leader/Champion Eschers are bulkier and would make decent blitzers, for example.

 Crazyterran wrote:
With the Zoat card being teased I can't help but think the one after the Woodies are Lizards.

All new & old Star Players for Wood Elves are teased.

The only things that remain to be seen for Wood Elf now is new inducements, pitch/weather rules, Special Play cards and Special Ball(s).

Anyone seen the Halfling Special Ball(s) yet?


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 Thargrim wrote:

Amazons are also listed on the Zoat card though, so who knows. It would be nice to see them released too. Provided they are anywhere near as good as the escher sculpts.

Amazons are listed on a bunch of Star Player cards released recently and long time ago.

Well, Amazons (and Lizardmen, Norse, and all the other teams from the Living Rulebook edition) have had rules in the current edition of the game since it was released.

Having "unreleased" teams listed on Star Players' cards is part future-proofing, part expanding the "Teams of Legend" until they get a new set of models and Spike! Journal.

The wood elves and their accessories go up for pre order next weekend. Plus inducement cards which could be very handy.

The tokens and balls for the wood elves are awesome, i'm so tempted to get this team...they just look more challenging and time consuming to paint compared to the other teams though.

But since the wood elves are out in two weeks it might only be a couple months before we find out what is next.

Hopefully the treeman isn't too far out, now that they are releasing the woodies - I expected them to release it the same week or the week after...

 Crazyterran wrote:
Hopefully the treeman isn't too far out, now that they are releasing the woodies - I expected them to release it the same week or the week after...

I hope they release a separate treeman as that style does nothing for me, but I could just buy one of the AOS revenants morning nstead.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Well, Amazons (and Lizardmen, Norse, and all the other teams from the Living Rulebook edition) have had rules in the current edition of the game since it was released.

Having "unreleased" teams listed on Star Players' cards is part future-proofing, part expanding the "Teams of Legend" until they get a new set of models and Spike! Journal.

Funny about the cards, there are something like 8 official Morg n Thorg cards. The first from the starter box only states Humans as available team. They either didn't care to note the correct teams because they didn't know the new release would be a hit. Or they wanted to keep it in line with the dummy/demo/noob version of the starter box where any teams, positionals or skills not included in the box simply didn't exist.

Later cards have the correct teams, but without the new BB2016 names. So it would mention Undead instead of Shambling Undead, same with Necromantic. The latest card decks have correct teams and new team names for the Morg n Thirg card.

Looks like the Forgeworld upgrades: Bright Crusaders and Orcland Raiders are up on Last Chance to Buy

Baxx wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Well, Amazons (and Lizardmen, Norse, and all the other teams from the Living Rulebook edition) have had rules in the current edition of the game since it was released.

Having "unreleased" teams listed on Star Players' cards is part future-proofing, part expanding the "Teams of Legend" until they get a new set of models and Spike! Journal.

Funny about the cards, there are something like 8 official Morg n Thorg cards. The first from the starter box only states Humans as available team. They either didn't care to note the correct teams because they didn't know the new release would be a hit. Or they wanted to keep it in line with the dummy/demo/noob version of the starter box where any teams, positionals or skills not included in the box simply didn't exist.

Later cards have the correct teams, but without the new BB2016 names. So it would mention Undead instead of Shambling Undead, same with Necromantic. The latest card decks have correct teams and new team names for the Morg n Thirg card.

Yeah I just got the halflings cards and morg n thorg is included, it listed Necromantic as Necromantic Horror. So thats a new one to me, wasn't aware of that name change yet.

Does anyone else think necromantic horror teams should have access to mutations (to represent their necromancer’s ‘tinkering’)? There are all sorts of stories from the Old World about necromancers stitching bits of different creatures together to make the “perfect” minion – why not a team?

Well..technically they already have that. Flesh Golems are the teams Heavy hitters

Problem with mutations is, best one is claw. So while extra arm would be funny (and also the effect of one of the special play cards with undead fluff/deck), they would use other better ones instead. Maybe some new positionals with a predetermined mutation, but no access to additional mutations.

Btw they alrady start with claw, so would not need any more balance wise. They're already tier 1.

Those elves really were worth waiting for. I would've preferred less clothing on the positionals and such, but I understand that they're going for a more "actual sports team" look with this edition.

If the Lizzies are this good (please be a horde of "plastic Oldblood from Carnosaurus kit") then waiting for them until AFTER plastic gobbos and halflings will be worth it, too. If not, I'll kick myself for not pledging for that recent metal team on KS.

So everything is up on the new zealand pre order page. Looking at the wood elf sprue I see some concerning things. The catcher/thrower/wardancer all have one tiny contact point where they glue to the base, basically the tip of the foot only. They don't have tabs that go in the slots like the elven union.

So i'm now kind of worried these won't stand up to repeat handling which is so common in blood bowl matches. There's just no way they will stay glued to the base for very long. And I figure GW is going to annoy me again by putting slotta bases in the box with these elves.

I can see lots of broken hair, fingers, and shoulder pad

Chopstick wrote:
I can see lots of broken hair, fingers, and shoulder pad

It's Blood Bowl, after all. It can't be any other way!

Apparently there's at least one or two typos in the new round of cards the bloodweiser keg should be 50k credits not 30k. GW still can't proofread to save their lives.

The plastic Escher have smaller contact points than that Andy they stay together fine. Use proper polystyrene cement and make sure there’s no paint on the contact surfaces and they’ll be fine.

 Thargrim wrote:
Apparently there's at least one or two typos in the new round of cards the bloodweiser keg should be 50k credits not 30k. GW still can't proofread to save their lives.

Damn, that defies the point, doesn't it?

I managed to get the correct cost when I made my inducement cards. Too bad they only copied my idea and not the correctness.

Still no news on the halfling special balls? Thought they usually came with the white dwarf of the same month or next.

Baxx wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:
Apparently there's at least one or two typos in the new round of cards the bloodweiser keg should be 50k credits not 30k. GW still can't proofread to save their lives.

Damn, that defies the point, doesn't it?

I managed to get the correct cost when I made my inducement cards. Too bad they only copied my idea and not the correctness.

Still no news on the halfling special balls? Thought they usually came with the white dwarf of the same month or next.

I think those are in the Spike! magazine now.

Chopstick wrote:

Baxx wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:
Apparently there's at least one or two typos in the new round of cards the bloodweiser keg should be 50k credits not 30k. GW still can't proofread to save their lives.

Damn, that defies the point, doesn't it?

I managed to get the correct cost when I made my inducement cards. Too bad they only copied my idea and not the correctness.

Still no news on the halfling special balls? Thought they usually came with the white dwarf of the same month or next.

I think those are in the Spike! magazine now.

No rules for the halfling special balls in their Spike! issue.

Well then i guess they realized no one use those balls rule anyways and just ditch them.

They're fun read, but most of them bring more harm than good to even their own team.

Chopstick wrote:

I think those are in the Spike! magazine now.

The reason I ask is because they're not in Spike. So far, pitch/weather rules and special balls are never in Spike magazines. They should however end up in the almanac eventually.


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Chopstick wrote:

They're fun read, but most of them bring more harm than good to even their own team.

The goblin ones are a nice boost! The spikey one is really treacherous. Ended up having a player sent off and injured another trying to pick it up in a finale. Well, better to lose dirty than win clean!

Lizardmen!!!!

Thought they had buck teeth, but that’s part of the helmet. Otherwise, I like them.

Yay Lizardmen! Finally.

Maybe it's the paint job, but I hate the skinks.
I am also not a fan of the Chameleon skinks.... Maybe J just like the WFB sculpts way more.

The Sauras though, God's above and below! That's what they should look like!

 Carnikang wrote:
Maybe it's the paint job...

ForgeWorld in a nutshell...

Gwaka'moli

The puns. They BURN!!!

(Which is the point of lizardman names. Good job, GW, good job)

I like the lizardmen a lot. Will probably pick them up.

 Carnikang wrote:
Maybe it's the paint job, but I hate the skinks.
I am also not a fan of the Chameleon skinks.... Maybe J just like the WFB sculpts way more.

The Sauras though, God's above and below! That's what they should look like!

Nah, the Sauri still need a few dozen pounds of muscles more than that. But at least they're a better base for sculpting on top than the regular kit or Temple Guard. I'll still have to get a Carnosaurus Oldblood, though, for better heads.

 Graphite wrote:
Gwaka'moli

The puns. They BURN!!!

(Which is the point of lizardman names. Good job, GW, good job)

Agreed, back to the good old days of ludicrous Lizardman pun names! That made me smile.

These are really disappointing. The skinks look like they belong in Super Dungeon Explore, not sure why they thought gigantic bug eyes were a good design choice. The Saurus are better than the current WHFB plastics but are still too weedy for me. I think most of the new blood bowl teams have been pretty well done, but these really miss the mark. The many 3rd party sculpts available seem superior to me.

Wait. The whole team looks like their wearing... Short shorts?

Madness.

Are these lizards from FW or GW proper?

Needless to say I'm happy to see them, but the Greebo lizard team just looked miles better than this.

The team would come from GW proper in plastic.

But where's the Zoat?

 Crimson wrote:
But where's the Zoat?

They are saving some things for Saturday at Warhammer World when they have the worlds biggest apocalypse battle and showing stuff off then as well.

I'm really digging the Skinks, they look awesome!

Saurus look par for the course, which is great. I'm wondering what the Kroxigor will look like though, as they seem to change with every iteration in actual Warhammer. Hoping we see the Zoat some time soon.

Now the REALLY need to do the Chaos dwarfs!! I mean... how many original teams are left at this point?

With the Saurus' it's definitely the painjob that's lacking. The red scales are really flat and don't look the right shade to compliment the blue. The Skinks... not sure if different paint will make them better, though it must be said that the Chameleon Skink is grand.

hopefully they will release the rest of the team cards for Blitz Bowl with the release of the Lizardman. The game is a blast and it stinks they are not supporting it.

I'm pretty happy with them, and they look like a mostly complete team out of the box which is good. The pitch looks great as well, plus statue turn markers...lots of cool stuff.

They look nice, with some questionable pose, like that saurus on the right who look like he's tripping or about to fall asleep.

Those models are great, can't wait to see the Kroxigor from Forge World.

And the plastic treeman. We have elves and halflings needing their wood!

Chopstick wrote:
They look nice, with some questionable pose, like that saurus on the right who look like he's tripping or about to fall asleep.

Considering he's AG 1, he might actually be taking a fall. I'm not crazy enough to try dodging with saurus though.

It would be cool if the touchdown endzone was the edge of a spawn pool, or the dugouts were spawning pools. Really miss the old lore for the lizardmen, this stuff gives me great nostalgia for when I first got into the hobby with a box of skinks and saurus.

 Theophony wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
But where's the Zoat?

They are saving some things for Saturday at Warhammer World when they have the worlds biggest apocalypse battle and showing stuff off then as well.

I wouldn't expect anything AoS/Fantasy related there.

The banner says to check back "for news from the far future" and today had extremely little revealed for 40k proper.

Just board games.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Theophony wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
But where's the Zoat?

They are saving some things for Saturday at Warhammer World when they have the worlds biggest apocalypse battle and showing stuff off then as well.

I wouldn't expect anything AoS/Fantasy related there.

The banner says to check back "for news from the far future" and today had extremely little revealed for 40k proper.

Just board games.

So you're saying it will be a 40K Zoat?

Sqorgar wrote:Thought they had buck teeth, but that’s part of the helmet. Otherwise, I like them.

Seems to simultaneously stop them from biting opponents, or help them do so as it's pointy itself.

Carnikang wrote:Wait. The whole team looks like their wearing... Short shorts?

Madness.

Lizardmen wearing clothing certainly looks odd. Very. Suppose it's a place to display team colours, but even then a loincloth would have fitted better (much more befitting the Aztec aesthetics), or just a sash or so. Though a painted plate would have been preferable regardless, this is a very strange look.

Are there two chameleon skinks in that team? Are they getting different rules than the regular skinks on release?

It's probably just different heads, because the chameleon skinks tend to be popular.

They could be a new type of skink, to me these seem like they shouldn't be so high movement, it's just not characteristic of a chameleon anything to be that fast. I'd be cool with them just being an alternate sculpt though, otherwise the team would seem kind of samey, at least this way there's some visual variety.

 Crazyterran wrote:
It's probably just different heads, because the chameleon skinks tend to be popular.

I dunno, they look pretty different than the normal skinks, with the color changing implied and the tongue on a ball. They might be a new 'catcher' skink?

They look kinda *edit* (not pudgy) top heavy [they look like they'd fall face first with a ball on the tongue] to be ball handlers.... they're kinda cute as I keep looking at them though. They're growing on me.

Yeah, gotta be a new positional of some sort. It’s not like they haven’t added new stuff as the various teams have been released, especially for previous under-performers.

It's probably a new catcher for the team. It's nice and thematic, what with chameleons having big long sticky tongues they use to catch prey.

The real question is what they’ll do about their camouflage abilities… new extraordinary skill or a set of regular skills to represent them?
Like do they exert tackle zones when invisible and so on, or do they just have dodge and titchy?

I'd imagine a new positional. Maybe lose dodge but get diving catch or sure hands or something. Maybe the skill the Nurgle star with the big mouth has

Very tempted by those Lizzies. Those and wood elves were always my fav two teams.

Really liking these.

Think I'd leave the mouthguards off the Saurus. Every time I look, I just see braces.

Skinks are superb. They look quite nippy and fragile. Chameleon is superb!

Grr, now I need to figure out how to convert a chameleon skink to go with the rest of my existing team...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Really liking these.

Think I'd leave the mouthguards off the Saurus. Every time I look, I just see braces.

Skinks are superb. They look quite nippy and fragile. Chameleon is superb!

"Now Itzcoatl, you leave those braces alone. You want your fangs to grow straight don't you? How else will you rip and tear at the Skaven?"

*downcast eyes and fidgeting with hands*
"Yes, mum"

Hahaha very good

 skullking wrote:
Now the REALLY need to do the Chaos dwarfs!! I mean... how many original teams are left at this point?

8 teams left after Lizardmen. Amazon, Chaos Dwarf, High Elf, Khemri Tomb Kings, Norse, Necromantic, Ogre, and Vampire.

If they stick with their 4 teams per year goal, Chaos Dwarf could definitely be the fourth team for 2019. High Elf seems more likely, since they're the last team from Death Zone 1 without a release yet. I could also see them going Ogre, or any of the three remaining undead teams.

Amazon and Norse seem likely candidates to save for 2021, though they may surprise us and drop one of them sooner.

No idea what their priorities are, at this point, so who knows? Either way, if they keep up with dropping 4 teams per year, we'll have one brand new team by the end of 2021.

I’m concerned that they have shown three Lizardmen and a bunch of skinks. Will this be a box of three saurus and 8 skinks? Or did I miss a list of what’s in the box?

 Theophony wrote:
I’m concerned that they have shown three Lizardmen and a bunch of skinks. Will this be a box of three saurus and 8 skinks? Or did I miss a list of what’s in the box?

The video shows 6 of each. I suspect we keep seeing 3 because there are 3 unique sculpts:



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I'm actually concerned I won't have enough skinks. I love putting a bunch of them in the starting lineup.


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Thinking about it more, this may actually be the first box I buy two of. I've been known to run a starting lineup of 3 Saurus and 9 Skinks with 3 re-rolls, and my Sevens team consisting of 8 Skinks and a re-roll earned me this:


Skinks are the best position in Blood Bowl, IMO. 8 movement with stunty and dodge lets them get away with nonsense that would be impossible for most teams. The three Saurus in my starting lineup are just there to hold down the front line; the skinks do all the work.

Zetan wrote:

 skullking wrote:
Now the REALLY need to do the Chaos dwarfs!! I mean... how many original teams are left at this point?

8 teams left after Lizardmen. Amazon, Chaos Dwarf, High Elf, Khemri Tomb Kings, Norse, Necromantic, Ogre, and Vampire.

If they stick with their 4 teams per year goal, Chaos Dwarf could definitely be the fourth team for 2019. High Elf seems more likely, since they're the last team from Death Zone 1 without a release yet. I could also see them going Ogre, or any of the three remaining undead teams.

Amazon and Norse seem likely candidates to save for 2021, though they may surprise us and drop one of them sooner.

No idea what their priorities are, at this point, so who knows? Either way, if they keep up with dropping 4 teams per year, we'll have one brand new team by the end of 2021.

The real question for me is what do they sell us after all the teams are out. There was talk about a new edition in 2020 perhaps Sigmar bowl? To sell us more teams? Perhaps 7s or dungeon bowl? Seems like they are pushing these teams out faster than they had planned. Maybe they will just do a big book with all the spike magazines in it and let it stand on its own?

rothrich wrote:

Zetan wrote:

 skullking wrote:
Now the REALLY need to do the Chaos dwarfs!! I mean... how many original teams are left at this point?

8 teams left after Lizardmen. Amazon, Chaos Dwarf, High Elf, Khemri Tomb Kings, Norse, Necromantic, Ogre, and Vampire.

If they stick with their 4 teams per year goal, Chaos Dwarf could definitely be the fourth team for 2019. High Elf seems more likely, since they're the last team from Death Zone 1 without a release yet. I could also see them going Ogre, or any of the three remaining undead teams.

Amazon and Norse seem likely candidates to save for 2021, though they may surprise us and drop one of them sooner.

No idea what their priorities are, at this point, so who knows? Either way, if they keep up with dropping 4 teams per year, we'll have one brand new team by the end of 2021.

The real question for me is what do they sell us after all the teams are out. There was talk about a new edition in 2020 perhaps Sigmar bowl? To sell us more teams? Perhaps 7s or dungeon bowl? Seems like they are pushing these teams out faster than they had planned. Maybe they will just do a big book with all the spike magazines in it and let it stand on its own?

I would hope that after they do all the original teams, they at the very least add the Khorne and Bretonian teams from the video game. I'd also love if they added Slaanesh, Tzneetch, All Beastmen & Minotaurs, Night Goblins (with Squigs!), have an ogre team with Gnoblars instead of snotlings, and just in general, more teams, and star players based off of 'The world that was' armies and lore. I wouldn't have a problem with adding in more AoS stuff, like Sigmarines, Fyreslayers, and Nighthaunt, but I'd want it to be it's own 'skew' of stuff that plays perfectly with the old BB teams. That way, everyone gets something fun.

I know it's kind of silly, but I've always wanted to have a team of 'purple orks', which was just a Genestealer cult on the planet that played BB!

Well the stars and big guys are all under forgeworld. I have a hard time believing they will put 6 ogres in a box but I have been wrong before. It would be cool to get a new biff and Bob, cheerleaders, coaches and other odds and ends to bring the get to life. Even kits for dougouts and stands score boards. I bet dedicated blood bowlers would buy all that stuff.

I am surprised they never made a jim and bob resin setup that you could put to the side of the pitch. Just for aesthetics, I use the referee by putting him off to the side as well, don't use the rules for him. Not sure why they insist on making rules for everything, I still don't use the special ball rules .The game is crazy enough as it is without them.

I heard a rumor ogres were next after lizardmen. Kind of a bummer if true, i'd rather see more competitive teams first. If we don't get chorfs by the end of 2020 i'll be so bummed out.

The real question for me is what do they sell us after all the teams are out. There was talk about a new edition in 2020 perhaps Sigmar bowl? To sell us more teams? Perhaps 7s or dungeon bowl? Seems like they are pushing these teams out faster than they had planned. Maybe they will just do a big book with all the spike magazines in it and let it stand on its own?

Well hopefully we will get some sigmar teams, I expect dungeon bowl would be an absolute must , personally I would like to see some work go into a second sprue for the established teams, some star player types and alternative sculpts for positions like blitzers etc

I'm liking the Saurus, though like others I'll probably leave the braces off if it's an easy thing to do.

The Skinks, they look too derpy to me, I don't know if it's just because the eye slits are painted to be looking sideways, if the slits were angled forward maybe they'd look a bit better? Dunno. I might buy a box and use the Saurus but keep using my old Skinks...

Just saw Croc Blockers over on Warploque Miniatures page and I'm torn between them and the Guacamole guys

The warploque stuff is definitely more expensive but I really like their skinks (their head-fins are on each side of their head and are more like ears). Nice alternative if you have the coin, want metal or resin and like their sculpts.


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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I'm liking the Saurus, though like others I'll probably leave the braces off if it's an easy thing to do.

The Skinks, they look too derpy to me, I don't know if it's just because the eye slits are painted to be looking sideways, if the slits were angled forward maybe they'd look a bit better? Dunno. I might buy a box and use the Saurus but keep using my old Skinks...

Also, that's a cool looking team!

 privateer4hire wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I'm liking the Saurus, though like others I'll probably leave the braces off if it's an easy thing to do.

The Skinks, they look too derpy to me, I don't know if it's just because the eye slits are painted to be looking sideways, if the slits were angled forward maybe they'd look a bit better? Dunno. I might buy a box and use the Saurus but keep using my old Skinks...

Also, that's a cool looking team!

Thanks! I went the simple path of not giving them shoulder pads and whatnot, once you hack the weapons off Skinks they're in surprisingly good poses for Blood Bowl out of the box, it's just the Saurus are a bit plain.

Hopefully those old Skinks with the new GW Saurus look okay next to each other, might need to add some loincloths and shoulder pads though.

It's just hard to get pumped about the GW lizards when other companies are pumping out sculpts like these:



And most of their figures manage to keep that level of detail too!f

Is there any sort of resource for converting Blood Bowl stats to Blitz Bowl, or are they the same across the board?

With Blitz Bowl being a bit simpler I think I'm more likely to convince family to play it.

I will also second the question of whether anyone knows a resource for converting newer teams to Blitz Bowl. My wife and buddies (who aren't mini gamers) love it, and I also enjoy it a lot. I wish they would throw stat cards or even just pictures of them in Spike or something. Blitz Bowl is a really solid game and needs a touch of support!

Lizardmen are the weakest team by far sculpts wise, IMHO
Looks very GW- 2006ish.. and that paint job isn’t doing any favours. Is it FW? It’s weird to see those guys right after the stunning hobbit’s kit.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
It's just hard to get pumped about the GW lizards when other companies are pumping out sculpts like these:



And most of their figures manage to keep that level of detail too!f

Is there any sort of resource for converting Blood Bowl stats to Blitz Bowl, or are they the same across the board?

With Blitz Bowl being a bit simpler I think I'm more likely to convince family to play it.

Looking at the page for those models, the actual prototype models don't look as good as the renders.

I'm also not a fan of the Ogre-like Saurus. I prefer the Star Player Lizardmen, though from what I've read they're too small next to GW's Blood Bowl teams. It'd be nice if there was a happy middle ground between "looks too weedy" and "looks like an ogre", lol.

I think if the saurus were painted like this they'd look better. The red scales with the red loincloth, it's too much. There's no spot color/contrast color. The skinks eyes are painted to be looking to the sides instead of angled forward, just weird paintjob decisions going on here. I was iffy on the wood elves too but having seen them unpainted in person I can say they are wonderful. I imagine these will look great unpainted, cause this paintjob is doing them no favors..it's too cartoonish, with the wrong colors placed in the wrong areas.

And if the kroxigor looks anything like the total war ones it'll be a godsend.

Gotta agree on the color choices- not that I can do a whole lot better, but I'm not an official studio painter either. The details are hard to discern with the current choices.

Of course, I just want models that look like the Total War art. Blood Bowl or Sigmar proper. It's not that much to ask!

Plus to be bulky enough to lumber and intimidate a Stormcast like they do in the books...

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
It's just hard to get pumped about the GW lizards when other companies are pumping out sculpts like these:



And most of their figures manage to keep that level of detail too!f

Is there any sort of resource for converting Blood Bowl stats to Blitz Bowl, or are they the same across the board?

With Blitz Bowl being a bit simpler I think I'm more likely to convince family to play it.

Looking at the page for those models, the actual prototype models don't look as good as the renders.

I'm also not a fan of the Ogre-like Saurus. I prefer the Star Player Lizardmen, though from what I've read they're too small next to GW's Blood Bowl teams. It'd be nice if there was a happy middle ground between "looks too weedy" and "looks like an ogre", lol.

The renders are for a new team I believe so there more in line with new BB.

Yeah the renders are for Greebo's new team, but the test prints don't look as impressive as the renders.

The Star Player ones I prefer the aesthetic, but from memory they're a bit weedy (I think those are 25mm bases they are mounted on, so the Saurus are similar size to the current human team).

I was going to buy the SP ones, but decided to wait and see what (if anything) GW would come up with.

So does anyone have an idea when the GW ones might get released?

On the subject of what next.

Do you really think they will do Sigmar stuff? This is completely separate.
(Also “there was talk of” as far as I’m aware was just people here and other places saying, do you think they will. I’ve never heard it from GW/FW themselves at events etc..

Danny76 wrote:
On the subject of what next.

Do you really think they will do Sigmar stuff? This is completely separate.
(Also “there was talk of” as far as I’m aware was just people here and other places saying, do you think they will. I’ve never heard it from GW/FW themselves at events etc..

Not sure if they ever ruled it out, but I never got the impression they were planning to go that way anytime soon. Blood Bowl has always been in a separate universe from Warhammer Fantasy proper, no reason to believe Sigmarines even exist in it. They might do it to extend the lifespan of the game if sales figures are amazing, but not before bringing out all the other teams you might expect, and my bet is on never.

Although.. well. They might just blow up the Blood Bowl parallel universe too, then replace it with League of Sigmar, a fantasy hockey game featuring Stormcast and all manner of weird traditional fantasy hybrids like snailelves and slothdwarfs that nobody asked for.


(Admittedly, I'd probably be all over slothdwarfs.)

My thinking too. It’s been separate so the End Times and becoming Sigmar is irrelevant, as it’s alternate universe.

I just think if you bring in AoS, then you run the risk of alienating a fan base for sure..

Definitely a long way off before we would worry, but as people have said. 8 more teams is end of 2021.

Alternate poses, or just redoing some teams is a good bet.
But then, yeah just new teams is my thinking, like they did 5e first go around, kept adding stuff.
It’s the same way Necromunda is going, redoing the old, mixing in new (admittedly they are getting new gangs/factions before all the old stuff is out, but similar patterns just switched..)

Danny76 wrote:
8 more teams is end of 2021.

Just in time for edition churn..... erm, I mean a re-launch.

 Easy E wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
8 more teams is end of 2021.

Just in time for edition churn..... erm, I mean a re-launch.

I would be surprised if they do a new edition at that point, they're more likely to leave it on the shelves until it dies and then bring it back in another decade or two.

I heard they have, like, 4ish teams with new rules they've been testing in their in-company league, but they're not allowed to release them until after all the classic teams are out. If true, maybe they'll just keep going after 2021 with 4 new teams per year.

I wouldn't mind seeing Bretonnians, they aren't a spectacular team by any means but I think it's the only way we'll ever see Bretonnians return in model form.

Personally i'm one of those against the idea of BB going into Age of Sigmar. Part of the appeal of the game is that it kind of has the classic fantasy old world vibe. They still have so many other fan favorite teams to do that it almost doesn't even make sense to do another edition, especially when the current one is doing pretty well as it is.

Maybe, I’d be surprised if they weren’t looking at further options yeah. Aside from the not allowed part.
I mean it’s up to them really..

 Thargrim wrote:
I wouldn't mind seeing Bretonnians, they aren't a spectacular team by any means but I think it's the only way we'll ever see Bretonnians return in model form...

Are these guys Bretonnians?
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/The-Bright-Crusaders-2017

 privateer4hire wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:
I wouldn't mind seeing Bretonnians, they aren't a spectacular team by any means but I think it's the only way we'll ever see Bretonnians return in model form...

Are these guys Bretonnians?
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/The-Bright-Crusaders-2017

Nope, they could be good proxies though. And they are last chance to buy, so they'll be gone soon enough.

Official Bretonnian rules would be awesome, having got the Greebo kickstarter the other year. There are also the three teams that had rules but never got models back in the day; Slann, Underworld and Chaos Pact. The last two have the advantage of involving alternate models for Skaven, Goblins, etc. which means a) they could sell to existing players and b) they could use the existing CAD libraries as a base.

Blood Bowl already takes places in an alternate universe to old Fantasy, doesn’t it? It could be amusing to have a realm gate open and teams from AoS come thru to augment the selection we already have. Not really Needed for awhile though, I’d just like to see a Sigmarine team is all.

Zetan wrote:
I heard they have, like, 4ish teams with new rules they've been testing in their in-company league, but they're not allowed to release them until after all the classic teams are out. If true, maybe they'll just keep going after 2021 with 4 new teams per year.

... and then after that, you've got Dungeonbowl with a whole new raft of mixed teams (probably needing new sculpts). Probably keep them going for longer...

Posted on the subreddit, made me laugh.



As far as "new" teams after all the classics have been covered, I expect there are a few pretty obvious candidates that some have already mentioned above that would be easy extrapolations from Blood Bowl history.

The first two sources that immediately spring to mind are the computer game/test rules they released a while back, covering both the alternative human team (the one with two ogres), the savage orc team and then the two unique computer game teams: Khorne and Kislev.

I've always had a thing for a possible Troll team, similar to the ogre team, inspired by the tiny picture on the back of the old 2nd edition Star Players book. I used to play one in a league with friends that consisted of 4 x Trolls, 6 x Goblins and 16 x Snotlings. Chaotic and about as low-tier as it gets. But fun.

In terms of straight up plastic boxes, I wouldn't hold out on all that much beyond the "core" teams. Much of what I've already talked about can be done using existing kits of some variety. Would be nice to get a plastic box of snotlings and trolls, though... hmmm...

Similarly with Dungeonbowl, which is definitely the next logical place to pull inspiration from, most of those teams could simply be alternative rosters that can be constructed using existing miniatures. I fancy a "Black Widows" team of skeletons, dark elves and trolls, thanks.

Sigmarines aren't happening, ever. I make that prediction based on how badly the fans would react and how likely it is that the Forgeworld-based team currently working on BB would actually do it. It would be bad and it would be badly received. GW is GW is GW, but they definitely appear to be trying specifically NOT to make those kinds of mis-steps.

Two more suggestions that I hadn't noticed anyone mentioning but will probably inevitably pop up at some point:

Slann - unlikely, but possible. I would imagine almost anything previously mentioned beforehand, but who knows? They existed in 2nd edition (without models) and they were a cult classic in the LRB days. There's a precedent but it just feels unlikely.

Simyin - No. Never. Not in a million, million years. They are not a GW BB team, the fluff justification for them in-universe is utterly non-existent. They're simply a weird homebrew creation that inexplicably became popular.

On the topic of 3rd party sculpts....

Man they did that quick. I'm actually glad that they're doing a chameleon positional too, now I'll have 3 different sculpts to differentiate my boys. As I'm going to get both teams anyway....



On the topic of support after: Maybe they'll just make new teams? A lot of the Eastern part of the World wasn't really explored, and in the BB universe, they could do a whole lot of really weird and wacky stuff, like elephant men supporting monk-ninja-soccer players (What would Soccer be called in BB universe anyway?).

They could do Cathay, Fimir and a few other obscure things...i'd love to see both of those.

They need a Fishman team......

Pete Knifton (BB artist who does the Mighty Blow strips in Spike!) has mentioned that he's been asked to do concepts for brand new teams for a couple of years time when they run through the existing lot.

I can't imagine they're daft enough to do AoS only races given the guys who work on BB know the backlash that would come. Sea Elves get name checked a lot in Spike! so I wouldn't rule them out (technically Edril Sidewinder is one).

I would be fascinated by a fimir team, and I would normally say it would never happen, but then they now have a zoat card, and I reckon one of the rumour engine pics is of the model

Given that Blood Bowl once had rules for teams from Judge Dress, I wouldn't totally rule Sigmarines out. I hope not, though.

The 2020 edition is due too an offhand comment from Cyanide, the computer game folks, isn't it? Blood Bowl 3 is due out next year and they said it would be compatible with the new edition.

I would love a Fimir team...Meargh as a coach and/or apothecary. That would be fun.

Could do they AoS teams like Sigmarine and portray them as heels? Invaders from another realm here to show their superiority over the local fan favorites?

 AduroT wrote:
Could do they AoS teams like Sigmarine and portray them as heels? Invaders from another realm here to show their superiority over the local fan favorites?

They could do 40k teams as well using that plot.

They could also do another sports game set in AOS based off of Baseball with the Sigmarine Abner DoubleDaylight having invented the rules.

Or a Seraphon sports program SSW (Seraphon Space Wrestling) with teams of Lucia libre lizardmen competing in the Grand Slaan tournament where oldbloods wrestle Kroxigors to see who gets to keep the masks.

So I just got my Wood Elf team card pack after tracking down the last one in stock on a web store I’ve never used before and “leaf on the wind” hit me right in the feels. Damn you GW, too soon!

 Graphite wrote:
Given that Blood Bowl once had rules for teams from Judge Dress, I wouldn't totally rule Sigmarines out. I hope not, though.

The 2020 edition is due too an offhand comment from Cyanide, the computer game folks, isn't it? Blood Bowl 3 is due out next year and they said it would be compatible with the new edition.

True but that's way back when and GW have moved on a fair bit. They do get asked about Stormcast in Blood bowl fairly regularly and the answer to date has been that they have no plans or desire to add them.

The 2020 Edition is still up in the air. Cyanide accidentally leaked Blood Bowl 3 for next year but when they say in line with the "New" Edition, they might actually be referring to the 2016 BB release as BB2 is still running from the LR6 ruleset. Something may be lost in translation and nobody has confirmed or denied anything yet. Wouldn't rule it out but Andy H has made a point of statimg that they don't want to mess about with the core rules particularly, just evaluate some of the rosters.

JimmyWolf87 wrote:

 Graphite wrote:
Given that Blood Bowl once had rules for teams from Judge Dress, I wouldn't totally rule Sigmarines out. I hope not, though.

The 2020 edition is due too an offhand comment from Cyanide, the computer game folks, isn't it? Blood Bowl 3 is due out next year and they said it would be compatible with the new edition.

True but that's way back when and GW have moved on a fair bit. They do get asked about Stormcast in Blood bowl fairly regularly and the answer to date has been that they have no plans or desire to add them.

The 2020 Edition is still up in the air. Cyanide accidentally leaked Blood Bowl 3 for next year but when they say in line with the "New" Edition, they might actually be referring to the 2016 BB release as BB2 is still running from the LR6 ruleset. Something may be lost in translation and nobody has confirmed or denied anything yet. Wouldn't rule it out but Andy H has made a point of statimg that they don't want to mess about with the core rules particularly, just evaluate some of the rosters.

Correct.

Blood Bowl 2 is based on the LRB 6 that predates Blood Bowl 2016 (the current boardgame).

Blood Bowl 3 will be based on the Blood Bowl 2016 rules and rosters.

Sigmarites will not be added to Blood Bowl.

AoS in general will not be popping up in Blood Bowl.

Blood Bowl draws from the original Warhammer Fantasy, and an alternate version of it at that.

The original Blood Bowl 1st Edition featured things like Judge Dredd because it was a somewhat inconsequential sidegame at the time (1984?).

So for reference, it would be best to consider Blood Bowl 2nd Edition, 3rd Edition, the ensuing Living Rulebooks that followed, limited elements of Warhammer Fantasy Battle and the two Blood Bowl computer games as the gospel. This should help people avoid wondering whether things like Sigmarites will be added. (They won't.)

 ekwatts wrote:

JimmyWolf87 wrote:


So for reference, it would be best to consider Blood Bowl 2nd Edition, 3rd Edition, the ensuing Living Rulebooks that followed, limited elements of Warhammer Fantasy Battle and the two Blood Bowl computer games as the gospel. This should help people avoid wondering whether things like Sigmarites will be added. (They won't.)

I wouldn't consider it the 'gospel' as such at this point (though I broadly agree with your other points). We're in this wierd transition phase where the older rules are getting gradually phased out in the tournament scene as the NAF absorbs the newer GW elements into their system (star players getting swapped in and out etc.). It's only the Inducements and Piling On changes that have been ignored. GW are still the 'Official' source of rulings whilst the NAF are sort of arbitrators of tournaments and widely still recognised as such (GW tacitly seem to accept this as it's basically free promotion of their product and the lead designer maintains a pretty consistent relationship with the active playing community).