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Post by: Carlovonsexron
I the dark elf teams helmets look great- I wish there was a kit in the main fantasy range that had that exact look.
The lizardmen were a let down for me mostly because the idea of Lizardmen wearing short shorts is a bridge too far for me.
I mean look at them and tell me how they put them on...
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Post by: GaroRobe
Carlovonsexron wrote:I the dark elf teams helmets look great- I wish there was a kit in the main fantasy range that had that exact look.
Aren't those helmets pretty close to the Bleakswords? Though, the models have the heads attached, so you can't do much with them haha
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Post by: Chopstick
Chaos blocker sculpt have awful pose but the beastmen were pretty good. It's one of the more interesting kit with horn swapping between the beastmen. With little customization option the majority of BB kits are either hit or miss, well except for the Elven Union.
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Post by: Easy E
I am actually amazed at the detail in many of the teams' athletic footwear. Seriously take a look sometime.
My painting can not do them justice, but I feel like GW could come out with a sneaker range based on some of the shoe sculpts on the BB teams.
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Post by: NH Gunsmith
 Easy E wrote:I am actually amazed at the detail in many of the teams' athletic footwear. Seriously take a look sometime.
My painting can not do them justice, but I feel like GW could come out with a sneaker range based on some of the shoe sculpts on the BB teams.
The GW Blood Bowl line of shoes would likely come with terrible ankle support, and an extra slippery sole... so we can all experience the pain and injuries of our favorite tabletop players when they roll a 1 to "Go For It".
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Post by: privateer4hire
But there is no more ‘go for it’ any longer. It’s called ‘rushing’ now.
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Post by: NH Gunsmith
Ah, I missed that name change.
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Post by: GaroRobe
How long do we expect the starter set to stick around? As long as the original or will it be something like Indomitus and sell out after a few months?
The cheap price on ebay is tempting me, but I'm not sure I have the money to commit yet
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Post by: infinite_array
I'd imagine they'd have to keep it around, right? It's the big kick-off (pun intended) for the new version of an extremely popular game.
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Post by: privateer4hire
Go For It was confusing and unexciting as a term. Rushing seems so much more exhilarating.
Also, I just read through the changes to Dodge.
All I can say is, if you have played previous editions, then you will need to read the new stuff VERY closely.
Otherwise, you are going to mess things up by trying to reflex it.
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Post by: NH Gunsmith
 privateer4hire wrote:
Go For It was confusing and unexciting as a term. Rushing seems so much more exhilarating.
Also, I just read through the changes to Dodge.
All I can say is, if you have played previous editions, then you will need to read the new stuff VERY closely.
Otherwise, you are going to mess things up by trying to reflex it.
Have a feeling it will take some getting used to. I downloaded the rulebook when it leaked a while back, but besides the rosters really haven't glanced through it too hard... Reading a rulebook through a phone/computer screen really isn't to my tastes.
Glad I pre-ordered the ONE copy of the rulebook and Special Play cards allotted to the area I live in... ugh.
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Post by: Erren
How necessary are the Special Play cards? I'm looking at just starting out, but I feel like they'd add complexity that I could completely skip - and save some money in the process.
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Post by: privateer4hire
Erren wrote:How necessary are the Special Play cards? I'm looking at just starting out, but I feel like they'd add complexity that I could completely skip - and save some money in the process.
Probably depends on your group AND GW's availability on the things.
GW has a recent history of having less cards, dice, special bonus stuff available than demand for BB.
Unless they commit to and actually keep the cards available throughout the edition, I know our group won't be using them. Automatically Appended Next Post:  NH Gunsmith wrote: privateer4hire wrote:
Go For It was confusing and unexciting as a term. Rushing seems so much more exhilarating.
Also, I just read through the changes to Dodge.
All I can say is, if you have played previous editions, then you will need to read the new stuff VERY closely.
Otherwise, you are going to mess things up by trying to reflex it.
Have a feeling it will take some getting used to. I downloaded the rulebook when it leaked a while back, but besides the rosters really haven't glanced through it too hard... Reading a rulebook through a phone/computer screen really isn't to my tastes.
Glad I pre-ordered the ONE copy of the rulebook and Special Play cards allotted to the area I live in... ugh.
Stalling for example is a drawn out process to identify. And it's only penalty (currently) is on the NUFFLE prayer table.
If I understand correctly you have to first roll a 14 on d16 to get the boon that will even penalize a stalling team AND then roll a 5+ to get it to work if you can call the other coach on stalling. I may be wildly misreading that but it seems like a lot of work on picking out stalling as an undesirable tactic just to have such a low chance of actually penalizing it.
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Post by: AduroT
Special Play cards aren’t required, but I always found them to be fun.
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Post by: Sabotage!
NH Gunsmith wrote: privateer4hire wrote:
Go For It was confusing and unexciting as a term. Rushing seems so much more exhilarating.
Also, I just read through the changes to Dodge.
All I can say is, if you have played previous editions, then you will need to read the new stuff VERY closely.
Otherwise, you are going to mess things up by trying to reflex it.
Have a feeling it will take some getting used to. I downloaded the rulebook when it leaked a while back, but besides the rosters really haven't glanced through it too hard... Reading a rulebook through a phone/computer screen really isn't to my tastes.
Glad I pre-ordered the ONE copy of the rulebook and Special Play cards allotted to the area I live in... ugh.
Ouch man....only ONE copy of the rulebook? I know GW's been way behind on distribution numbers lately, but that's really sad. My store (which is a rather busy store in a large metro) is getting ten copies of the starter, five of the rulebook, but only two Necro teams and one set of Necro dice (luckily I got my name down for one of the teams and hopefully the dice if the guy that has a BB subscription at the store passes on them).
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privateer4hire wrote:
Also, I just read through the changes to Dodge.
All I can say is, if you have played previous editions, then you will need to read the new stuff VERY closely.
Otherwise, you are going to mess things up by trying to reflex it.
I've just read through the Dodge skill and dodging as part of a movement. What's different mate?
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Post by: AllSeeingSkink
Carlovonsexron wrote:I the dark elf teams helmets look great- I wish there was a kit in the main fantasy range that had that exact look.
The lizardmen were a let down for me mostly because the idea of Lizardmen wearing short shorts is a bridge too far for me.
I mean look at them and tell me how they put them on...
The shorts were only part of the problem. The skinks look super derpy, the models overall look too busy and most of the poses aren't impressive.
All they needed to do was emulate the aesthetic from the BB video game, the video game lizardmen look cool.
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Post by: Mr_Rose
 chucklehead wrote: privateer4hire wrote:
Also, I just read through the changes to Dodge.
All I can say is, if you have played previous editions, then you will need to read the new stuff VERY closely.
Otherwise, you are going to mess things up by trying to reflex it.
I've just read through the Dodge skill and dodging as part of a movement. What's different mate?
Yeah, I’m not seeing any significant changes to dodging either. Agility test, -1 per TZ on the destination square. No +1 for trying but then everyone gets an effective +1 to their agility vs 2016 edition.
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Post by: Zetan
chucklehead wrote: privateer4hire wrote:
Also, I just read through the changes to Dodge.
All I can say is, if you have played previous editions, then you will need to read the new stuff VERY closely.
Otherwise, you are going to mess things up by trying to reflex it.
I've just read through the Dodge skill and dodging as part of a movement. What's different mate?
Yeah, same; I don't see a difference at all.
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privateer4hire wrote:Stalling for example is a drawn out process to identify. And it's only penalty (currently) is on the NUFFLE prayer table.
If I understand correctly you have to first roll a 14 on d16 to get the boon that will even penalize a stalling team AND then roll a 5+ to get it to work if you can call the other coach on stalling. I may be wildly misreading that but it seems like a lot of work on picking out stalling as an undesirable tactic just to have such a low chance of actually penalizing it.
I suspect it'll be referenced in the new special play cards, if nothing else. It does seem a bit weird to define it then barely use it, but I do prefer that over never defining something that's used a lot. This way they future-proof it and only need to refer to one bit of rules anytime they want to have something that works with that mechanic.
All in all, having now read the new book cover to cover (my store got an early demo copy) I like the writing a lot. It defines things really well, cleans up some of the more confusing terms, and generally seems like it'll be easier to teach.
The only rules change that gives me pause (and I'm willing to see how it actually plays out in practice) is that winnings is now based heavily on how many touchdowns you make. This will obviously benefit teams like elves and skaven while penalizing teams like dwarfs and chaos. However, elves and skaven are also the teams most likely to need to spend money replacing injured players, so maybe this is actually a good change? I dunno, like I said, I want to see it in action before I decide.
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Post by: privateer4hire
My complete error on Dodge. Apologies.
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Post by: ZombieDK
The new starplayer is funny as hell
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 GaroRobe wrote:Carlovonsexron wrote:I the dark elf teams helmets look great- I wish there was a kit in the main fantasy range that had that exact look.
Aren't those helmets pretty close to the Bleakswords? Though, the models have the heads attached, so you can't do much with them haha
Nah, the BB heads are an updated take with a more open face that gives the heads alot more character
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Post by: privateer4hire
GW have released a series of short videos updating how the new rules work, set up, game overview, etc.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEaPE4sLDA7taKQ1cZOi-Z38QxGr_z8v7
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Can someone translate the special rules for those of us unfamiliar?
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Post by: Mr_Rose
Right, his stats make him fast but incredibly vulnerable (Strength is used for both offence and defence, higher is better) and most of his skills (dodge, jump up, Stunty, Titchy, sidestep) make him faster and more able to get away from other players. The number of circumstances where Akhorne won’t be dodging on a 2+ is extremely small. Stunty and his way below average armour makes him more vulnerable to injury though.
The really interesting part is the combination of claws, dauntless, frenzy, and his own unique rule that lets him re-roll for dauntless. These actually kind of make him surprisingly effective on offence as he can roll d6+1 to beat the opponents Str and if he succeeds counts as being equal in strength to them. With a re-roll vs the average St of most teams (3) he’s not missing that often. Combined with Frenzy allowing him to block twice and claws allowing him to get through armour on an 8+ even if it’s higher (think 7th ed 40K Lance weapons), Akhorne could make a pretty good surprise troubleshooter, getting away and halfway across the pitch without effort to make a frenzied blitz on some poor unsuspecting ball carrier.
Basically a gimmick but one you can make really good with the appropriate teammates (Guard) and probably the right price, considering that he can’t actually handle the ball at all (No Hands).
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Awesome, cheers dude!
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Post by: Chopstick
He's a players that can't play ball, he's only there for blood and to annoy the other team, and it's hard to hit him. His dauntless skill allow him to gain ST to be equal to the ST of whatever he's hitting on a D6 roll.
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Post by: Strg Alt
Cyel wrote:
Oh, no, no, no, no.
Leave the Old World alone. One destroyed game is enough.
Give this man a medal.
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Post by: rayphoton
I actually make a storm-cast team using ogors as the template with gryph hounds as the snotlings. I explained the bonehead rule as the stormcast stopping to admire themselves everyone in awhile. Its Bloodbowl..its not meant to be serious
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Post by: privateer4hire
Well they do have three ghosts that are obviously a spirit host on one of the pages. They are holding a banner and eating sporting events snacks.
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Post by: NH Gunsmith
privateer4hire wrote:
Well they do have three ghosts that are obviously a spirit host on one of the pages. They are holding a banner and eating sporting events snacks.
...well yes, Spirit Hosts existed before AoS, AND they used to come on a base with three of them...
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Post by: privateer4hire
True. But the illustration in the bb2020 is definitely based on current AOS sculpts.
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Post by: NH Gunsmith
privateer4hire wrote:True. But the illustration in the bb2020 is definitely based on current AOS sculpts.
...you mean these ones? Which again come from Fantasy?
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Yeah. Those are the ones.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
In P4H’s defence? They came out during End Times, so it’s an understandable temporal error, given that was Fantasy’s (literal) dying days.
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Post by: GaroRobe
Yeah. The new spirit hosts came out during the End Times (or maybe before. But I want to say alongside Nagash). Though, in his defense, these guys were probably sculpted with AOS in mind. Same with Nagash, those splay leg Khorne dudes, and a few of the other End Times specific units
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Post by: Kanluwen
Legendary announcers Jim and Bob will set each article up and then hand off the reporting to Alyssa Avalos – who you might recognise from the recent Learn to Play videos. Sports fans have a lot to look forward to.
And to whet your appetite for what you have to look forward to in December’s article – a handy little teaser…
New feature: Pitchside Report
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Post by: GaroRobe
Skeleton Dwarf? Looks like a Dwarf Giant gauntlet
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
You might be on to something. What I think are the hip bones suggest a short spine?
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Post by: GaroRobe
I'm not as familiar with the rest of the teams, so it could be a similar aesthetic to another team. But yeah, I'm hoping for a skleton dwarf haha. Could be a cool team. Different races as undead, so different benefits. Hardy dwarfs and orcs, quick skink or goblin skeletons, regular humans as linemen, etc
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Post by: ListenToMeWarriors
I assume it is just an Undead Star Player rather than a whole new team? If so does it being in pitch side report suggest that it is plastic rather than Forge World? We now have precedent with Griff and Varag in the new season box set.
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Post by: Captain Joystick
Is it a bad time to mention I have a Stormcast Star Player?
He failed a Baleful Realmgate roll and slipped between the worlds, finally getting dumped out over a scrum pitch and denting his head on a rock. After killing dozens of zombies in a confused stupor, the Orc team adopted him as their mascot: Mean Green Joe.
He's my counts as Varag, or Morg.
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Post by: Mr_Rose
Kanluwen wrote:
Legendary announcers Jim and Bob will set each article up and then hand off the reporting to Alyssa Avalos – who you might recognise from the recent Learn to Play videos. Sports fans have a lot to look forward to.
And to whet your appetite for what you have to look forward to in December’s article – a handy little teaser…
New feature: Pitchside Report
Yeah, looking at the top of the teaser image that armour could be a flame pattern too…
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Post by: privateer4hire
Good eye, Mr. Rose. I think you are on to something.
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Post by: Mr_Rose
So, looking at his leaked rules, what are people’s thoughts considering he dropped 40k vs. but basically kept his stats from the card above? Oh and he can play for Amazon and Lizardmen teams now.
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Post by: Captain Joystick
I haven't read the leaked stuff, only heard some secondhand information here and there but... seems star players have become a bit cheaper across the board, right?
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Post by: Mr_Rose
 Captain Joystick wrote:I haven't read the leaked stuff, only heard some secondhand information here and there but... seems star players have become a bit cheaper across the board, right?
A few have become a lot cheaper, like Morg, a few are slightly cheaper, several are unchanged, a few more have become more expensive but no-one has gone up a huge amount. Without the borderline unplayable ones like morg actually coming down to “maybe once in a while” I think it averages out to basically no change.
For players that actually exist in the new system anyway.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Did pitch size change with the new edition?
Deep Cut Studios have them deeply discounted, like below 20€ for a neoprene pitch.
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Post by: Mr_Rose
No, pitch size is the same. Dugout size is reduced by two thirds though, but that’s definitely a good thing; makes the pitch boxes smaller and drops the foam insert, along with fitting on a table better.
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Post by: squall018
Pitch size may be the same but I believe the tables have changed and deep cut has them printed on the mat. Still usable but not "current".
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Post by: privateer4hire
Can't find any BB mats listed on their site currently. Did they sell out?
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Post by: Mr_Rose
 squall018 wrote:Pitch size may be the same but I believe the tables have changed and deep cut has them printed on the mat. Still usable but not "current".
Oh yeah, that’d do it; the injury table is just a D16 now and the kickoff table has a couple of changes too.
There’s a section for them but you have to choose “blood bowl” from the size drop down.
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Post by: Captain Joystick
Looks like blood bowl overlays are not available on 'cloth' mats, mousepad and plastic only.
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Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim
Here's a weird question, but is there any reason to get the recent Spike! magazines? At the newest ones already moot considering they were written before BB2020, or do the last ones have content with it in mind?
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Post by: Thargrim
Only the necromantic spike is valid for the new edition...from what I know.
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Post by: Mr_Rose
Yeah, Spike! Magazine #11 is the only one with “current” stat blocks.
It also has a spooooky Sylvanian Night League variant that League Commissioners might want to throw at their coaches.
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Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim
Ooooh, I'll grab it then as Necromantics may be my preferred team for our next season. Thanks guys.
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Post by: Nostromodamus
I just realised Nuffle comes from NFL.
After 25 years of playing this game.
I feel like a savant but am likely an oblivious moron.
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Post by: Mr_Rose
FAQ time!
Specifically, there is a special first FAQ today, after which there will be regular updates in May and November. Article here.
Direct link to the FAQ for the tl;dr crowd.
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Post by: privateer4hire
Glad they said it could be downloaded for personal use right on there. Impersonal use just seems wrong somehow.
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Post by: Binabik15
Those BlOrcs are ace. Ghoulchewa has more mass on his arms than the ogre <3
But...I don't really want yet another Orc team. I don't want to hack up such nice minis and turn them into 40 nobs/skarboyz, either - I mean, I *do*, but I thought about getting a second set for that.
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Post by: Theophony
 Binabik15 wrote:Those BlOrcs are ace. Ghoulchewa has more mass on his arms than the ogre <3
But...I don't really want yet another Orc team. I don't want to hack up such nice minis and turn them into 40 nobs/skarboyz, either - I mean, I *do*, but I thought about getting a second set for that.
I'm just starting Ironjawz for AOS and I'll buy a set of the BLOrks and give them axes and stuff. They are just nice.
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Post by: Baxx
Looks like the new black orcs team will play most similar to lizards.
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Post by: ListenToMeWarriors
Skrull looks great, I assume the teaser is Gretchen Wächter?
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Post by: Chopstick
Model look better than the art, that's rare.
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Post by: Wha-Mu-077
That solves a rumour engine, doesn't It?
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Post by: GaroRobe
Yes and no. Unless you count their monthly teases as rumor engines. And we figured out what it was a few days after the tease
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Post by: Danny76
Yeah it never solves the rumour engines themselves. Just the blood bowl newsletter ones or wherever these come from.
I don’t think they’ve crossed over into RE in a long while now they do this monthly one instead.
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Post by: GaroRobe
At the moment, I can really only recall one rumor engine that was related to blood bowl. And I think it was the only forgeworld rumor engine too (ignoring the skeleton dwarf).
It was the goblin specialist with the chainsaw.
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Post by: Baxx
Had a game of the new edition, was fun! But very skeptical to how they imported stuff from Necromunda (particularly advancements).
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Post by: zamerion
the human and orc team was in unavailable on the web for weeks( I thought that due to factory problems), but now they have totally disappeared from the web.
for repacks they don't usually do this, right?
PD.neither are mixed teams like underworld.
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Post by: Wha-Mu-077
zamerion wrote:the human and orc team was in unavailable on the web for weeks( I thought that due to factory problems), but now they have totally disappeared from the web.
for repacks they don't usually do this, right?
PD.neither are mixed teams like underworld.
Seems like the new Human and Orc teams are just completly replacing them
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Post by: Kanluwen
They outright said that they will be reboxing teams to have cards, which means they'll be new SKUs...which means that items usually get removed from the webstore.
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Post by: Ghaz
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:zamerion wrote:the human and orc team was in unavailable on the web for weeks( I thought that due to factory problems), but now they have totally disappeared from the web.
for repacks they don't usually do this, right?
PD.neither are mixed teams like underworld.
Seems like the new Human and Orc teams are just completly replacing them
All four teams have rules in the Blood Bowl rulebook.
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Post by: Jackal90
For those of us that don’t usually follow Bloodbowl, is Akhorne a separate miniature or does he have to be taken with a tree?
And secondly, which teams can take him please?
Not had a great deal of interest in bloodbowl but for a tiny evil squirrel, I don’t mind starting a team lol.
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Post by: MarkNorfolk
Jackal90 wrote:For those of us that don’t usually follow Bloodbowl, is Akhorne a separate miniature or does he have to be taken with a tree?
And secondly, which teams can take him please?
Not had a great deal of interest in bloodbowl but for a tiny evil squirrel, I don’t mind starting a team lol.
He's part of the new Treeman figure, and he can play for any team.
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Post by: Jackal90
MarkNorfolk wrote:Jackal90 wrote:For those of us that don’t usually follow Bloodbowl, is Akhorne a separate miniature or does he have to be taken with a tree?
And secondly, which teams can take him please?
Not had a great deal of interest in bloodbowl but for a tiny evil squirrel, I don’t mind starting a team lol.
He's part of the new Treeman figure, and he can play for any team.
So I’m guessing you can’t play him on his own, minus the tree man?
At least the any team leaves me free to pick a team.
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Post by: ListenToMeWarriors
He is separate on the Treeman sprue, you can simply glue him to a base like my one. And he can be played without a Treeman in the team, he is 80k odd.
Failing that, you can get a Squirrel in the Halfling team box, only downside is it is attached to a Halfling head.
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The halfling head isn’t too hard to work around.
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Post by: TheGoodGerman
Or you could get the one from Greebo. Quite fitting for the frenzy part, but not really as cute.
https://www.greebo-games.com/35164-nutzerker-the-rabid-squirrel.html
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Post by: Wha-Mu-077
 Ghaz wrote: Wha-Mu-077 wrote:zamerion wrote:the human and orc team was in unavailable on the web for weeks( I thought that due to factory problems), but now they have totally disappeared from the web.
for repacks they don't usually do this, right?
PD.neither are mixed teams like underworld.
Seems like the new Human and Orc teams are just completly replacing them
All four teams have rules in the Blood Bowl rulebook.
Yeah but they aren't being sold now, are they?
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Post by: Ghaz
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: Ghaz wrote: Wha-Mu-077 wrote:zamerion wrote:the human and orc team was in unavailable on the web for weeks( I thought that due to factory problems), but now they have totally disappeared from the web.
for repacks they don't usually do this, right?
PD.neither are mixed teams like underworld.
Seems like the new Human and Orc teams are just completly replacing them
All four teams have rules in the Blood Bowl rulebook.
Yeah but they aren't being sold now, are they?
Regardless, the models in the Blood Bowl box are not a replacement for the Human and Orc teams.
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Post by: Baxx
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: Seems like the new Human and Orc teams are just completly replacing them
That's false, all teams from BB2016 released in plastic are officially supported in BB2020. Even the remaining 'core' teams are official now from pdf. Then there are 2 new teams in new starter box. If anything, Imperial Nobility may be replacing Human Nobility or even Bretonnia (even though they play different).
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Post by: Wha-Mu-077
Baxx wrote: Wha-Mu-077 wrote: Seems like the new Human and Orc teams are just completly replacing them
That's false, all teams from BB2016 released in plastic are officially supported in BB2020. Even the remaining 'core' teams are official now from pdf. Then there are 2 new teams in new starter box. If anything, Imperial Nobility may be replacing Human Nobility or even Bretonnia (even though they play different).
Yea but they're replacing them in stores so you can't bloody buy them no more -Edited by insaniak. Please see Rule #1.
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Post by: Jackal90
Managed to find an Akhorne on eBay that’s been printed.
Has a tiny horned helmet with spikes and a plated tail armour.
Looks like it will work perfectly so grabbed one.
Guess this is how I start bloodbowl lol, time to pick a team I guess.
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Post by: Ghaz
Jackal90 wrote:Managed to find an Akhorne on eBay that’s been printed.
Has a tiny horned helmet with spikes and a plated tail armour.
Looks like it will work perfectly so grabbed one.
Guess this is how I start bloodbowl lol, time to pick a team I guess.
Definitely get the rulebook first. It has the rules for all of the teams with each team ranked in three tiers according to difficulty. Tier 1 teams are the easiest to use while Tier 3 are the most challenging.
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Post by: Jackal90
Ghaz wrote:Jackal90 wrote:Managed to find an Akhorne on eBay that’s been printed.
Has a tiny horned helmet with spikes and a plated tail armour.
Looks like it will work perfectly so grabbed one.
Guess this is how I start bloodbowl lol, time to pick a team I guess.
Definitely get the rulebook first. It has the rules for all of the teams with each team ranked in three tiers according to difficulty. Tier 1 teams are the easiest to use while Tier 3 are the most challenging.
It will honestly be more of a fun thing than serious gaming.
I’ll likely pick my team based more on what I like the look of than actual useful stuff.
From what I’ve read though, snotlings and halflings are pretty bad no matter what.
Top 2 for me so far are dwarves (purely for the roller) and goblins due to their sheer amount of fun looking weapons.
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Post by: NinthMusketeer
I have a 100% win rate with snotlings.
In one practice game, but still!
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Post by: NH Gunsmith
Hah. The fact the won a game is the most impressive part, even a practice match!
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Post by: NinthMusketeer
Being able to take two bomb players is actually pretty strong.
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Post by: Jackal90
To be fair, I do technically own 3 snotling teams.
But that’s simply for the pump wagons as they are used as “trolls” in my Gloomspite army.
Could just paint them up and rebase a pair of wagons and I have my team lol.
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Post by: NinthMusketeer
That's a fun counts-as. 50mm bases may be a bit big depending on the pitch so I can see the need to rebase... and they are certainly needed to get the team rolling!
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Post by: Jackal90
 NinthMusketeer wrote:That's a fun counts-as. 50mm bases may be a bit big depending on the pitch so I can see the need to rebase... and they are certainly needed to get the team rolling!
I’ll just pop them off the 50s and put a magnet in them for easy swapping.
Means I can use them in both then.
Won’t turn down a chance to use pump wagons.
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Post by: SKR.HH
New Star Player previewed: Gretchen Wächter...
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/01/14/meet-gretchen-wachter-the-blood-bowl-player-who-hates-blood-bowl/
I like her.... even though the illustration is even better IMHO...
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Post by: zamerion
No secret image for next star player :(
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Background is amusing 
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Post by: NinthMusketeer
What went wrong when they were sculpting the hair? Looks like play dough. That skin tone isn't doing her any favors either, the unnatural pale in the art is better IMO. That said, really nice model. Expression on the face is sharp, and the 'implied legs' effect works exceedingly well. The design is such that she has a strong two-point attachment to the base so it won't be super fragile and she isn't floating super high off the ground; much more practical than many GW ghost sculpts.
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Post by: Baxx
Could be any of the following:
Bryce Cambuel
Rumbelow Sheepskin
Wilhelm Chaney
Frank N. Stein
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Post by: Voss
I was expecting a pun. But Wächter is just... Guardian or Watchman?
Is there some football or rugby player's wife being lampooned here?
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Post by: Mr_Rose
Voss wrote:I was expecting a pun. But Wächter is just... Guardian or Watchman?
Is there some football or rugby player's wife being lampooned here?
It’s a reverse play on her background; she’s a cranky ghost that plays blood bowl because her husband watched too much blood bowl. It’s not very good, no.
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Post by: GaroRobe
FW is two for two on making some great Blood Bowl models. If only their earlier characters looked half as good
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Post by: zamerion
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/01/24/sunday-preview-angels-of-darkness/
Confirmation that next week release undead star players ( FW)
And if I have not misunderstood, will we have an article about the future of this season? 
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Post by: Crazyterran
Would be nice to get a hint or two about the next team. My money is on Chorfs, though Amazons or Norse would be a nice surprise
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Post by: JimmyWolf87
 Crazyterran wrote:Would be nice to get a hint or two about the next team. My money is on Chorfs, though Amazons or Norse would be a nice surprise
They're entirely possible. Any of the Legends teams would be welcome.
Don't be surprised if it's Slaanesh though. Just saying.
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Post by: Crazyterran
If we were to get another new team Slaanesh or Khorne would make the most sense I suppose.
Now that they have done Snotlings, IN and BOs, I would like to see one or two more returning teams on top of the Necros.
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Post by: Mr_Rose
Amazons. Unless I end up converting them from some Eschers.
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Post by: privateer4hire
Agree. Good amazon models are sorely lacking. Even the often cool looking offerings from third parties are not up to par. And the old metal ones are nice but way too pricey on the secondary.
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Post by: NH Gunsmith
privateer4hire wrote:Agree. Good amazon models are sorely lacking. Even the often cool looking offerings from third parties are not up to par. And the old metal ones are nice but way too pricey on the secondary.
What?! The Greebo Amazons are probably the best out there, and amazing minis in general.
Edit. Even the new resin only Amazon team from Fite Games is great, as they are wearing more sport oriented gear.
Edited again to add pictures.
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Post by: Thargrim
Amazons would be cool if they are next, I prefer the blood bowl 2 look over those third party teams though (they don't like warhammer to me). Feathers plus the winged helmets give off their norse origins a little bit.
Wouldn't mind seeing chorfs and vampires this year as well. I feel like high elves will be seen as well even though i've little desire to see them.
Also kinda suprised the Blood Bowl 3 beta has not started. Originally they said the game was due to release early this year. But still no start date for the beta nor a release for the game.
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Post by: privateer4hire
In addition to the warhammer style, third party stuff is often way more expensive than $40 USD for a 12 player box. Hopefully they and/or norse will be in this year’s line up b
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Post by: NH Gunsmith
privateer4hire wrote:In addition to the warhammer style, third party stuff is often way more expensive than $40 USD for a 12 player box. Hopefully they and/or norse will be in this year’s line up b
Yeah... but it is often $40 for just some of the positionals you need, plus a bunch of Linemen you don't need once you end up buying a second box to fill out the team... essentially negating the initial savings of the 12 player GW team.
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Post by: zamerion
And... Where is the blood bowl article about the future of the season?
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Post by: Baxx
Here is the future of the season: Helves, chorfs, khemri, amazons, vamps, norse. Rumbelow Sheepskin, Frank N. Stein, Wilhelm. A couple of FAQs. Possibly copying over some more stars from BB2016. Perhaps some cheerleaders and booster packs from FW. Anything else? Oh yeah, dice, cards, pitches, spike (wizards, inducements, special balls, stars++).
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Edit: wrong thread
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Post by: Mr_Rose
Might mean Blorcs and Imps get individual team box releases though, along with the usual gubbins (dice, cards etc).
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Post by: frankelee
Would make sense that the Season 2 box teams need individual releases. It would be nice for the Blood Bowl hype not to die down so quickly, but I don't mind being saved a purchase in Q1 either.
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Post by: Baxx
We got 27 teams, not sure if the game needs any more? If you really want more, you can add 7 more or less 'official' teams, some easily converted from previous edition.
Surprised to see starter box teams got spike now. Teams can be divided into 3 parts in relation to spike. The ones that came before spike (and will never get the benefits), the teams that got spike in previous edition and now lost all of it, and all the new teams who get non-rotated spike.
Warhammer Underworlds keep releasing new teams all the time, not sure if that's a good thing or not. At least those seasons don't rotate everything (except most teams) like Blood Bowl do.
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Post by: Dysartes
Baxx wrote:Here is the future of the season: Helves, chorfs, khemri, amazons, vamps, norse. Rumbelow Sheepskin, Frank N. Stein, Wilhelm. A couple of FAQs. Possibly copying over some more stars from BB2016. Perhaps some cheerleaders and booster packs from FW. Anything else? Oh yeah, dice, cards, pitches, spike (wizards, inducements, special balls, stars++).
[Citation required]
Well, aside from the FAQs, at some stage.
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Post by: Baxx
Don't really need any citation for that if you've seen all releases the past 3 years, it's exactly according to this formula. Plastic team. Spike. Pitch. Dice. Cards. BB2020 teams continue in the same way.
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Post by: Mr_Rose
I think maybe Dysartes was querying how you came by that exact order for the teams?
Also don’t discount completely new teams showing up out of nowhere; if a GW sculptor gets it into their head to make, say, a Fishmen team, then it has a high chance of getting official stats.
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Post by: Carlovonsexron
Well, the Amazon team is referenced on a Zoat card that (I think) came in a spike a few years back, before there was even a model for the zoat. (Has it been released yet? Is it/will it be plastic?)
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Post by: Ghaz
Carlovonsexron wrote:Well, the Amazon team is referenced on a Zoat card that (I think) came in a spike a few years back, before there was even a model for the zoat. (Has it been released yet? Is it/will it be plastic?)
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Blood-Bowl-Zolcath-The-Zoat-2020
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Post by: Carlovonsexron
Such a pity he didn't end up in plastic :/
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Post by: Baxx
Carlovonsexron wrote:Well, the Amazon team is referenced on a Zoat card that (I think) came in a spike a few years back, before there was even a model for the zoat. (Has it been released yet? Is it/will it be plastic?)
Amazon has been continuously available to play for decade(s)? Nothing has changed. The team was also referenced long before Zoat, in one of the Death Zone books from mid 2017 with all the inducements and numerous star players (karla, roxanna, helmut, kari coldsteel, Willow ++). Automatically Appended Next Post: Hardly any stars or anything else ends up in plastic. Only core team boxes, griff v2, varag v2, troll, ogre & treeman.  Mr_Rose wrote: Also don’t discount completely new teams showing up out of nowhere; if a GW sculptor gets it into their head to make, say, a Fishmen team, then it has a high chance of getting official stats.
Yeah, that could happen as it did for Blorcs and Imperial Nobility.
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Post by: Carlovonsexron
IDK, it seems like a choice modern GW would make, to only include the name of a team for a model release if the team mentioned will eventually be (re)released. Otherwise they are just propping up 3rd party model sales. But that that's just my perhaps overly cynacle view.
But as for the zoat, it doesn't really matter to me about the number of figures released as resin versus those released as plastic, I still think its a pity it didn't make it to plastic.
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Post by: Baxx
That's probably what GW would like to do, but BB has a very strong community that will always keep the 'official' teams, even if GW dropped them. Anything that was dropped in 2016 edition could be imported as-is, because the rules and costs didn't change (with a couple of exceptions). Still, GW decided to have all the original teams not released in plastic as 'teams of legend', fully playable and official, but without minis from GW. This is what they continued to do in 2020 edition, except the list is now reduced to 6 for 'teams of legend'.
GW was firm about dropping Slann a long time ago, yet NAF will never drop Slann and as such you can use updated official NAF rules for Slann in 2020 edition if you so like. Same would be the case if GW decided to drop any other teams. So far, every 'new' team released has been from the 'teams of legend' list. Again, with a couple of exceptions (Blorcs & Imperial Nobility). Every time a new team is released, the teams of legend list is reduced by 1. So it is safe to say we will see several of the following teams this year: Chorfs, Helves, Amazons, Khemri, Vamps & Norse.
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Post by: Carlovonsexron
That's good! I look forward to being disappointed by the design of the Amazon team, and finding the Norse team useful for chaos marauder conversions! 
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Post by: Dysartes
Looks like Death Zone is returning...
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Post by: Mr_Rose
Not a surprise that the first supplement is Death Zone, slight surprise at the quality of the proposed content. Looks like someone in the studio got seriously invested in the game again and that’s great!
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Post by: Sabotage!
Getting an official printing of the Sevens rules is great! Looking forward to the new Death Zone.
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Post by: Baxx
All of the teased content seems like reprints from what already exists. "Trait package" looks like an approximate diff between a standard ogre and a mix of rat ogre, krox & yeti. "Bubbling Up From Below" and "Freezing" we got already.
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Post by: JWBS
Would've liked to see an updated Minotaur vs Wardancer as the cover art. Still, good news.
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Post by: Dysartes
Anyone know what's going on with the Dark Elf team? They're showing as "Sold Out Online," and the Forge World bundle is "No longer available online".
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Post by: Kanluwen
They did say that they were going to be repackaging the original teams to include Blitz Bowl cards or something like that last year.
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Post by: Dysartes
 Kanluwen wrote:They did say that they were going to be repackaging the original teams to include Blitz Bowl cards or something like that last year.
Interesting, I must've missed that - odd that they're the only team that seems to be affected, though.
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Post by: Kanluwen
It was when they revealed Akhorne apparently. I thought I'd posted about it in this thread at least once, and the announcement was September 8th-ish of last year.
I would guess it's being a slow roll-out rather than bumping them all at once.
Correction as well: apparently it's that you get a Roster Sheet in the box now too.
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Post by: Mr_Rose
You also get the new logo and blue&red trim. It’s standard repack practise at this point. I expect they’re just rolling it out as the old box stock sells through.
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Post by: Baxx
News: A random team (half lings) get an overhaul for the new edition, updated cards, pitch and dice. Based on the other re-released pitch, I am guessing it is 99% similar to the previous, with 1 or 2 random details changed.
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Post by: Thargrim
I think the dugouts are smaller this time around. Good to see updated stuff for each team. I personally want updated chaos dice/cards but I might have to wait a while.
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Post by: Mr_Rose
Baxx wrote:News: A random team (half lings) get an overhaul for the new edition, updated cards, pitch and dice. Based on the other re-released pitch, I am guessing it is 99% similar to the previous, with 1 or 2 random details changed.
The dugouts are the new “actually useable” size they just invented and now actually fit in the box properly. The pitch itself will be identical.
If I were you, I’d try not to get very worked up about these. Every team released under the previous edition is going to get one¹ and it’s a nice chance for those that missed out on dice/pitch last time to get them as they are sadly still not evergreen products. Everyone else can cheerfully ignore them.
¹ probably as stock on the old style team boxes runs low, to coincide with a rerelease.
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Post by: Dysartes
Death Zone on pre-order next week - along with the teams from the starter set, and various other bits.
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Post by: zamerion
miniatures for all this stuff would be interesting
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Post by: Mr_Rose
Well… most of the balls do technically have minis… and I think you can still get the Halfling hotpot… and giants are obviously still sold… same for Firebellies… the named individuals though seem likely to get (resin) minis at some point.
Anyway the whole thing makes me grin. Definitely getting the book.
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Post by: Baxx
Already got the book, about 3 years ago. What a wonderful way to sell us the same stuff over and over again. All the special balls, all the (in)famous coaching staff, all the wizards, all the stadiums, all the residency, rostered star players and the giant. We've been here before, about 5 months ago. Looks like this book has about 10 pages of actual new content... Here is what's new:
- Ayleen Andar
- Mungo Spinecracker
- Schielund Scharlitan
- Asur High Mage
- Medical Unguent
- Side Bet
- Fabolous Freebooters
- Giants (if there are more than 1)
- Sevens
And maybe we finally get the 4th skaven match event
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Post by: jullevi
I must admit that clampack Griff Oberwald and Varag Choulchewer at £12 each is much cheaper than I expected. Why can't we have this price range in AoS or 40k?
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
That’s a bloody good point on the prices.
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Post by: Baxx
The new Freebooter Mercenary rules are confusing. For example if you want to create a stunty player, you can give it additional skills:
- A single additional Agility skill for +10k gold pieces.
- Two or more additional Agility skills for +20k gold pieces each.
So if you take 1 skill, it's obviously +10k. But if you take 2 skills? 3? 4? If each option can only be taken once, that would mean that if you buy 2 of this skill, you must pay the highest cost for both (2x20k). If you buy 1 or 3+ skills, you can pay minimum cost for one of them?
Same with stats, for example Ringer (Runner/Thrower):
Can improve or reduce any characteristic by up to 2, as follows:
- Improve AG by 1 for +50k gold pieces.
- Improve AG by 2 for +100k gold pieces (Elven only)
So it seems to be implied that each option can only be taken once, otherwise everyone could buy 2x +1 AG for 2x50k, same as Elven teams. But the Ringer already got AG 2+, and can't be improved to more than 1+!
The book also refers to Really Stupid (4+), but there's no such thing. It's only "Really Stupid", and the roll is 2+ or 4+ depending on any adjacent friendly player with Tackle Zone or not.
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Post by: Theophony
jullevi wrote:I must admit that clampack Griff Oberwald and Varag Choulchewer at £12 each is much cheaper than I expected. Why can't we have this price range in AoS or 40k?
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:That’s a bloody good point on the prices.
Hush both of you  , Someone will agree and write that to GW and they will see the error of their ways and reprice these and everything else up to correct the lost possible sales revenue.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
I do not want that on my conscience, along with the Puppy Kicking and Saying Boo to Geese. Consider me hushed!
Also, for any long term BB fans, I’ve decent copies of Blood Bowl Star Players and Companion from the Astrogranite pitch edition, complete with the Star Player cards.
It’s not really my jam, so looking to move them on to an appreciative home.
PM for me a chat
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Post by: Baxx
Here is my review of the new book:
Loads of old stuff, refreshed for BB2020 edition. That's good for those of us who actually invested time and money into getting stuff like the Giant. This book opens up extreme flexibility, generalizing and streamlining much of the rules. Other rules are reprinted almost as-is. The custom Mercenary character creation rules will allow anyone to field (almost) anything, in addition to star players. You could probably recreate a lot of the lost stars with these rules if you want, and induce them as mercenaries instead (on top of all the BB2020 stars).
If you want to go extreme, a team like Ogre can field a lot of big guys now, both on and off the pitch! 6 from the team, Morg, Deeproot, Giant, Freebooter Mercenary Big Guy. That's 10 ST 5+ Mighty Blow +1 (and 3 of them with Mighty Blow +2). Could also add a Firebelly Wizard and even an Ogre referee.
Quality is overall quite good. Few mistakes and errors (as I managed to spot so far anyway).
Universal changes:
- Team restrictions are updated according to BB2020 categories, so in general a lot of stuff is available to many more teams now. For example Chaos Dwarf can now take Waaagh! Drummer (previously Orc only), Master of Ballistics (previously Humies only) and Kari Coldsteel. It feels odd, but makes thing more accessible at least (for those who want it).
- All existing named referees are now "Biased Referees" with cost and availability.
Various minor changes I noticed (so far):
- Team Mascot: Nerfed to 5+ (instead of 4+).
- Warpstone Brazier: Massively Obese gives +1 AV instead of Thick Skull.
- Kari: Counts as 3 cheerleaders (instead of 2).
- Galandril: -10 cost. Gives +D3 Cheerleaders (if the team already having at least 1) instead of doubling the amount. Gain re-roll on a 15+ when rolling for Prayers to Nuffle (instead of 6+ whenever scoring a TD, Intercept or inflict Casualty).
- Papa: Favour of the Gods (8) now gives 2 mutations instead of picking any result.
- Krot: -10 cost. What is Really Stupid (4+)? Really Stupid (5+)? That's not how Really Stupid works.
- Fink: +40 cost. Can only re-roll a single Bribe. No longer counts as 3 Assistant Coaches.
- Wizards (universal): Spells are mostly cast in the opponent's turn (start/end) instead of your own.
- Chaos Sorcerer: Rampant Mutation now lasts for the drive (instead of 1 round).
- Slann Mage Priest: +50 cost. Gains Temporal Distortion (same as Asur High Mage) as an additional 3rd spell. Tectonic Shift is replaced by -1 GFI.
- Horticulturalist: Strange Flora changed to Strange Fauna (haha). Hits on 3+ (instead of 4+). Cannot hit prone players.
- Sports Necrotheurge: Vanhalables Dans Macabre affects line positionals (instead of skeletons & zombies) and you must choose one of the stats (MA, AG, AV) to improve instead of all.
- Warlock Engineer: +30 cost. Gain Thunderbolt as a 2nd spell. Warp Lightning hits on 3+, gains Mighty Blow and is otherwise simplified to only hit players in the line.
- Firebelly: Column of Fire can now also be cast at the end of the opposing turn.
- Night Goblin: Foot of Gork (or Mork) can now kick or stomp. Stomp is heavily simplified. Kick is throwing the player (wildly inaccurate). Spore Cloud is boosted to inflict Loner (5+).
- Horatio: Finally balanced! Only works once per match.
- Waaagh! Drummer: Triggers on 4+ (instead of 6+). Only pushed 1 square (instead of D3). The same player can be pushed multiple times.
- Cavorting Nurglings: -10 cost. 0-3 (instead of 0-1). +1 Fan Factor
- Runesmith: +20 cost. Mighty Blow (instead of +1ST). Sprint & Sure Feet (instead of +2MA). Dauntless & Frienzy (not Mighty Blow).
- Bottles of Heady Brew: Available to all Tier 3 teams.
- Halfling Hot Pot: +20 cost (any team), -20 cost (halfling, classic).
- Giant: -50 cost. Mercenary (no longer Star Player). Gained Break Tackle. -1AG. Mighty Blow (+2) (instead of +1). Clarifications on what happens if falling over while moving over other players.
- Sponsorships: Modifiers changed. The threshold is set to 20 for all types (one-time, ongoing and major). Ongoing sponsorships now randomizes among those players eligible to play next match when inflicting MNG.
- Stadia: Astrogranite bounce is in a single direction like Ice (instead of extra bounce). Solid Stone is +1 to AV rolls (instead of Injury rolls). Apathetic Officials: Clarified that unspent bribe transfers to next half. Desperate Exposure: D6x10 income (instead of D3x10). Broadcast Studio: Discount also applies to Mercenaries, Wizards (named), (In)Famous Coaching Staff, Mercenaries and Biased Referees. On-site Apothecaries: Gives Mortuary Assistant or Plague Doctor to teams that can't take Apothecary (instead of re-roll). Bunch of Pacifists: Re-roll Pitch Invasion. Pushed into the Crowd only ignores Injury on a 4+. Fair Weather Fans: Changed to Fickle Fans. The ball is always thrown back in during the last turn of the half.
- Unusual Balls: Goblin lost access to using 3 in one game. All balls are no longer team-specific, instead pick any ball or randomize.
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Post by: Nora
Baxx wrote:Here is my review of the new book:
Loads of old stuff, refreshed for BB2020 edition. That's good for those of us who actually invested time and money into getting stuff like the Giant. This book opens up extreme flexibility, generalizing and streamlining much of the rules. Other rules are reprinted almost as-is. The custom Mercenary character creation rules will allow anyone to field (almost) anything, in addition to star players. You could probably recreate a lot of the lost stars with these rules if you want, and induce them as mercenaries instead (on top of all the BB2020 stars).
If you want to go extreme, a team like Ogre can field a lot of big guys now, both on and off the pitch! 6 from the team, Morg, Deeproot, Giant, Freebooter Mercenary Big Guy. That's 10 ST 5+ Mighty Blow +1 (and 3 of them with Mighty Blow +2). Could also add a Firebelly Wizard and even an Ogre referee.
Quality is overall quite good. Few mistakes and errors (as I managed to spot so far anyway).
Universal changes:
- Team restrictions are updated according to BB2020 categories, so in general a lot of stuff is available to many more teams now. For example Chaos Dwarf can now take Waaagh! Drummer (previously Orc only), Master of Ballistics (previously Humies only) and Kari Coldsteel. It feels odd, but makes thing more accessible at least (for those who want it).
- All existing named referees are now "Biased Referees" with cost and availability.
Various minor changes I noticed (so far):
- Team Mascot: Nerfed to 5+ (instead of 4+).
- Warpstone Brazier: Massively Obese gives +1 AV instead of Thick Skull.
- Kari: Counts as 3 cheerleaders (instead of 2).
- Galandril: -10 cost. Gives +D3 Cheerleaders (if the team already having at least 1) instead of doubling the amount. Gain re-roll on a 15+ when rolling for Prayers to Nuffle (instead of 6+ whenever scoring a TD, Intercept or inflict Casualty).
- Papa: Favour of the Gods (8) now gives 2 mutations instead of picking any result.
- Krot: -10 cost. What is Really Stupid (4+)? Really Stupid (5+)? That's not how Really Stupid works.
- Fink: +40 cost. Can only re-roll a single Bribe. No longer counts as 3 Assistant Coaches.
- Wizards (universal): Spells are mostly cast in the opponent's turn (start/end) instead of your own.
- Chaos Sorcerer: Rampant Mutation now lasts for the drive (instead of 1 round).
- Slann Mage Priest: +50 cost. Gains Temporal Distortion (same as Asur High Mage) as an additional 3rd spell. Tectonic Shift is replaced by -1 GFI.
- Horticulturalist: Strange Flora changed to Strange Fauna (haha). Hits on 3+ (instead of 4+). Cannot hit prone players.
- Sports Necrotheurge: Vanhalables Dans Macabre affects line positionals (instead of skeletons & zombies) and you must choose one of the stats ( MA, AG, AV) to improve instead of all.
- Warlock Engineer: +30 cost. Gain Thunderbolt as a 2nd spell. Warp Lightning hits on 3+, gains Mighty Blow and is otherwise simplified to only hit players in the line.
- Firebelly: Column of Fire can now also be cast at the end of the opposing turn.
- Night Goblin: Foot of Gork (or Mork) can now kick or stomp. Stomp is heavily simplified. Kick is throwing the player (wildly inaccurate). Spore Cloud is boosted to inflict Loner (5+).
- Horatio: Finally balanced! Only works once per match.
- Waaagh! Drummer: Triggers on 4+ (instead of 6+). Only pushed 1 square (instead of D3). The same player can be pushed multiple times.
- Cavorting Nurglings: -10 cost. 0-3 (instead of 0-1). +1 Fan Factor
- Runesmith: +20 cost. Mighty Blow (instead of +1ST). Sprint & Sure Feet (instead of +2MA). Dauntless & Frienzy (not Mighty Blow).
- Bottles of Heady Brew: Available to all Tier 3 teams.
- Halfling Hot Pot: +20 cost (any team), -20 cost (halfling, classic).
- Giant: -50 cost. Mercenary (no longer Star Player). Gained Break Tackle. -1AG. Mighty Blow (+2) (instead of +1). Clarifications on what happens if falling over while moving over other players.
- Sponsorships: Modifiers changed. The threshold is set to 20 for all types (one-time, ongoing and major). Ongoing sponsorships now randomizes among those players eligible to play next match when inflicting MNG.
- Stadia: Astrogranite bounce is in a single direction like Ice (instead of extra bounce). Solid Stone is +1 to AV rolls (instead of Injury rolls). Apathetic Officials: Clarified that unspent bribe transfers to next half. Desperate Exposure: D6x10 income (instead of D3x10). Broadcast Studio: Discount also applies to Mercenaries, Wizards (named), (In)Famous Coaching Staff, Mercenaries and Biased Referees. On-site Apothecaries: Gives Mortuary Assistant or Plague Doctor to teams that can't take Apothecary (instead of re-roll). Bunch of Pacifists: Re-roll Pitch Invasion. Pushed into the Crowd only ignores Injury on a 4+. Fair Weather Fans: Changed to Fickle Fans. The ball is always thrown back in during the last turn of the half.
- Unusual Balls: Goblin lost access to using 3 in one game. All balls are no longer team-specific, instead pick any ball or randomize.
Hi
I just looked at an overview of the new additional rules and what stuck me was how dirty cheap and good the mercenaries seams to be. If I under stood it correctly you can use your Petty Cash to by these similar to other inducements, and the price is similar to what a standard player with the respective stat-line would cost (with the disadvantage to have loner). For example an elf (6,3,2+,3+,8+) for 70k. And then you can by additional skills. This is much better payoff than buying additional Re-Rolls or Coaches etc there the inducement price is typically twice the normal price. Also, for the low-cost-linemen teams this will super good there you get the hiring cost back as petty cash in the same time as this can be spend on requiting 2-3 payer with traits that you lacks the most.
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Post by: Baxx
Yeah, you are right, it should be possible to get some excellent elf players or blodge allrounders here. Need to investigate further on what's possible to do here. Here's one experiment, trying to recreate Griff (didn't get that far):
4,4,4,6+,9+ Blodger for 140. Can be improved to MA 6 for a total of 190. A ST4 Blodger for 140 sounds quite nice. Tempted to give Stand Firm for +30, would be a real pain in the ass.
Was successfully able to recreate Bo Gallanté (160k), but at a much higher cost! The equivalent mercenary would be 270k!
Flint Churnblade (130k) can now be perfectly recreated as a Mercenary at 140k. Slibli (250k) recreated at 260k.
Some of those custom mercenary options were on the other hand awful. A big guy (130k) can be given Ball & Chain for +80k, that's a lot for a ST7 secret weapon. The blocker (70k) can be given Ball & Chain for +90k.
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Post by: Mr_Rose
Some of these options are clearly “for the lols” type because someone will have the means and the madness to try it sometime.
Also, an ambitious league commissioner might be tempted to make up a fixed set of mercs for the league using these rules, rather than allowing free customisation every game. Would also certainly speed things up for a weekend tourney.
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Post by: Zetan
Just noticed that Deeproot Strongbranch, Willow Rosebark, Skrull Halfheight, Zolcath The Zoat, and Eldril Sidewinder are now showing Sold Out (not just Temporarily out of Stock) on Forgeworld. The only other time I can remember Forgeworld discontinuing star players is when the new box came out and released plastic versions of the same characters... could this be a sign that plastic versions of more stuff is coming?
Seems really weird otherwise... especially since some of them (like Zolcath and Skrull) are so recent. I'm a little disappointed; I was hoping to pick those up at some point, but never had the money at the same time as they were in stock. I would absolutely jump on a plastic release... can you imagine if they released a plastic box with a whole bunch of star players in it?
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Post by: Mr_Rose
Nah, they’re probably just changing the packaging. Gretchen Wächter has a new style paper insert, with the blue and red slashes across the top and bottom, contrasted with the old grey with black cracked border. As the old style stock depletes, they’ll run off a new batch with new artwork which will have a new SKU for logistical purposes if nothing else, which means a new store entry.
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Post by: Baxx
An unfortunate change for Necromantic is the Farblast & Sons sponsorship, as their only line players are Zombies with PA '-', so if given Bombardier, they can only fumble the bomb! All other teams can at least attempt to pass it (except Elven teams which are prohibited from using this dwarven tech). In order for Necromantic to be able to fulfill the slogan "blast things that are very far away", a zombie needs to save up at least 18 SPP, and then roll a 8-14 for random characteristics (less than 44%). That's never going to happen :(
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Post by: Mr_Rose
A roll of 16 is free choice any characteristic so it’s actually 50%.
Besides, suicide bombzies sound hilarious. Model one up with a bomb instead of a head!
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Post by: Danny76
 Theophony wrote:jullevi wrote:I must admit that clampack Griff Oberwald and Varag Choulchewer at £12 each is much cheaper than I expected. Why can't we have this price range in AoS or 40k?
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:That’s a bloody good point on the prices.
Hush both of you , Someone will agree and write that to GW and they will see the error of their ways and reprice these and everything else up to correct the lost possible sales revenue.
I’d love to say it’s a test, and that they want to see if characters sell better at this price.
But in reality even then they’d think, oh they sold well put the price up rather than they sold well make more for the same price 
If only more for BB, and maybe Necro characters and all that came out at these prices.
I guess it’s just because the box recouped a lot of the costs, is that still available with all the extra? I guess they can’t sell these expensive when you can just buy that box?
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Post by: Baxx
Mr_Rose wrote:A roll of 16 is free choice any characteristic so it’s actually 50%.
Besides, suicide bombzies sound hilarious. Model one up with a bomb instead of a head!
Yeah it is funny, but also tier 4 bad (even worse than goblin bomma or snotling fungus flinga).
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Post by: Baxx
Mr_Rose wrote:
The dugouts are the new “actually useable” size they just invented and now actually fit in the box properly. The pitch itself will be identical.
You are right, the rural idyllic pitch rules was actually identical this time, that's not been the case for the previous re-release updating subterranean stadium conditions to BB2020 edition (and several others now in Death Zone 2021).
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Post by: Ancient Otter
I see the 12 model Naggaroth Nightmares box is listed as both sold out and no longer available online, anyone know anything about that?
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Post by: Chopstick
Reboxed for new season, old box : black border, new box : blue and red stripe..
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Post by: Orlanth
Not paid attention to Blood Bowl for a while now, someone explain, is the revamping a means to Age of Sigmarify the background or is it still set in it's original alt-warhammer world.
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Post by: Chopstick
They wouldn't be called "orc" ,"elf" , "dwarf" or "lizardmen" in Age of Sigmar.
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Post by: Ancient Otter
Chopstick wrote:Reboxed for new season, old box : black border, new box : blue and red stripe..
I thought the 12 figure boxes were the re-boxed teams, guess I was wrong.
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Post by: Dysartes
 Orlanth wrote:Not paid attention to Blood Bowl for a while now, someone explain, is the revamping a means to Age of Sigmarify the background or is it still set in it's original alt-warhammer world.
We're still in the Blood Bowl version of the Old World, fortunately.
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Post by: Sunny Side Up
 Dysartes wrote: Orlanth wrote:Not paid attention to Blood Bowl for a while now, someone explain, is the revamping a means to Age of Sigmarify the background or is it still set in it's original alt-warhammer world.
We're still in the Blood Bowl version of the Old World, fortunately.
Um, no. Blood Bowl isn't and never was set in the Old World.
It's always been an alternate timeline / universe around Roze- El, the first BB game and all that.
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Post by: Olthannon
I mean it is still set in the Old World, all the locations and races are the same. Its just that Orcs and Dwarves fighting a battle found a pigskin and awoke Nuffle. Everyone decided Blood Bowl was a way to settle their differences instead of fighting. Hooray.
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Post by: Dysartes
Sunny Side Up wrote: Dysartes wrote: Orlanth wrote:Not paid attention to Blood Bowl for a while now, someone explain, is the revamping a means to Age of Sigmarify the background or is it still set in it's original alt-warhammer world.
We're still in the Blood Bowl version of the Old World, fortunately.
Um, no. Blood Bowl isn't and never was set in the Old World.
It's always been an alternate timeline / universe around Roze- El, the first BB game and all that.
Glad I specifically stated that this was the "Blood Bowl version of the Old World" then - not just "the Old World".
The BB-verse has always taken the Old World as a frame, then stapled the Blood Bowl aspects over the top - you have the same factions/nations/powers/races, plus Nuffle. High Elves are still based in Ulthuan, Dark Elves in Naggaroth (hence the name of the Nightmares), etc, etc.
Read what people actually write before trying to correct them, dude - especially in terms of the question I was answering.
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Post by: Baxx
Went through the new Black Orc & Imperial Nobility cards, turns out GW is now copying existing cards from other teams. That's just lazy. If they gonna have the same card for multiple factions, what's the point of faction decks? Isn't that what the universal cards are for?
"I Wouldn't Drink That" (Black Orcs Random Events) and "Half-Time Snack Sabotage" (Skaven Dirty Tricks):
A random opposing player cannot be set-up this drive.
Skaven got the worst version as theirs can only be used at the start of the 2nd half. Black Orcs can use theirs at the start of any drive.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Another amazingly characterful model. Love it!
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Post by: Mr_Rose
Great! Looks like they either directly answered or otherwise addressed almost every question I submitted. More or less the way I expected, mostly, as well.
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Post by: Dysartes
Huh - the This Week in Warhammer video seems to have gone live a bit early on YouTube.
Why have it linked it here? MTO for High Elves and Vampire Counts are confirmed within it...
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Post by: Mr_Rose
Oh, MTO… had me going for a second there.
Still, hope that means new stuff coming soonish.
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
Yeah previous teams to go MTO went plastic pretty quickly afterward.
Been looking forward to seeing what GW does with the redesign of High Elves, hopefully not long to go now.
I'll be skipping both mind, Vampires is a weird one, I'll probably only ever have one team and I'll wait for the plastic redesign and High Elves in my mind were one of the worst looking teams of 3rd edition.
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Post by: Mr_Rose
I think I might get the vampire team, mostly for their goofy bat-hats and that one Thrall that looks like he’s trying to figure out how he got here.
If I want to play old metal high elves, I’ll just dig out my og squad from ‘94…
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Post by: GaroRobe
Not worth getting into THAT discussion again, but you can tell by the artwork that they toned down the headwear on the model.
FW BB models are always so hit and miss. Why can't they be as consistent as the lovely Necromunda range? The undead BB star players looked great, and now we have this dude looking all lumpy. At least he's a chaos follower, so he has some excuse
Edit: Also, the juggernaut headed chainsaw is perfect. The teeth on the blade are eh, but I want it
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Post by: Geifer
Never mind the hood. How did the sculptor look at the artwork and get that face out of it?
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Post by: Vain
The artwork is great.
The mini is great.
There is a bit of difference between the two.
Definitely something I want to obtain and the bigger face is a blessing for me as it will be easier to paint than a more delicate one. The spaced apart teeth especially.
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Post by: Mr_Rose
So, did anyone else get their “made to order” classic vampire team already?
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
Frank 'n' Stein out next week from FW.
Not sure about the back lighting rack array thingy, bit otherwise he'll fit nicely with the Necromantic Horror team.
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Post by: Baxx
New Ref rules in next white dwarf.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/YZOeWxek0ld9mUsZ.jpg
Turns out they will move around on the pitch this time.
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Post by: privateer4hire
Ala Dreadball’s referee rules
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Enter Scyla Anfingrimm:   First he was the Hulk, now he's a Warmahoardes Trollblood mini, it seems.
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Post by: GaroRobe
Thought he was some sort of squig at first.
Not great, but somehow better the GW model..?
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Love the Elf being squished.
Took me a while to properly understand the motion of the model, but now I’ve got my head round it, I like.
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Post by: Theophony
All I can keep thinking is how much cheaper would he be without an elf that he is crushing into the ground  . Especially since I won't be playing against any Elves, at least no one around me plays them.
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Post by: grahamdbailey
Scylla looks, to me, too similar to a Warmahordes Trollkin.
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Post by: Shadow Walker
It may be one of the reasons I like him because I really like the look of the Trollkin
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Post by: Crimson
They really managed to capture the essence of the original Scyla sculpt. It looks absolutely terrible.
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Post by: Ghaz
I'm really liking the comical 'oof!' look on the elf on Scyla's base.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
The original? Damn kids on my lawn! This is the forth iteration.
Skinny wolf rat thing.
Weird Monkey Man.
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Post by: Crimson
But they all look consistently terrible.
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Post by: MarkNorfolk
He start out more like a mutant skaven looking thing? Shape-shifting is one of his unsung chaos attributes.
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Post by: Chopstick
I like the hulk gorrila version of Warhammer Fantasy more. This new Blood Bowl one look too cartoony.
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Post by: MarkNorfolk
Chopstick wrote:I like the hulk gorrila version of Warhammer Fantasy more. This new Blood Bowl one look too cartoony.
Well, that's Blood Bowl. It's also now a place where classic characters can find new life. I am now hoping the sentient trebuchet from WHFB 2nd edition can turn up as a thrower for the goblin teams.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Blood Bowl is definitely leaning more toward the cartoon scale of things.
Not overly so, but a definite lean in that direction. It won’t be for everyone, but I’m finding it suited to the overall silliness of the setting.
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Post by: PaddyMick
Pics or it didn't happen
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Post by: Quasistellar
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Love the Elf being squished.
Took me a while to properly understand the motion of the model, but now I’ve got my head round it, I like.
I don't usually harp on stuff like this, but this model just doesn't work in my brain with the tail being "forward" and on the ground, while the model is simultaneously hand-plant leaping over an elf.
I just can't reconcile the tail position with the rest of the model. I understand they wanted the mouth-tail forward, but bleh.
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Post by: Binabik15
I actually love that dude. Once the head is swapped out, though. And his right fist should be closed, but other than that he's goofy enough ough to fit with squirrel-carrying halflings and Chaos Warriors in shorts.
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Post by: Pacific
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Blood Bowl is definitely leaning more toward the cartoon scale of things.
Not overly so, but a definite lean in that direction. It won’t be for everyone, but I’m finding it suited to the overall silliness of the setting.
Yes as someone with a lot of old stuff it's a problem I have found with some of the new releases.
Most of my stuff is from 3rd edition or from the mass of 3rd party stuff that came out over the many years the game was 'dead' (as a side note, the amount of 3rd party 'fantasy football' miniature producers show how popular the game still was even when not officially supported!)
Some of it is fine, but I've found a lot of it doesn't scale particularly well with the new miniature lines, even if you move them onto the bigger bases and pitch. I also think the aesthetic style of the miniatures has changed a lot, certainly for some of the ranges (compared 3rd edition humans and orks for example with the latest edition). The sculpts have definitely improved (or are definitely a lot busier would be another way of looking at it).
Am fine for my own home tournament games with mates as all of our stuff comes from the previous edition, but guess I should probably buy a new team if I play in a club or tournament etc.
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Post by: ekwatts
I love that model. It's an improvement on every prior version of him, anyway.
He has sports socks on.
I also love the cartooniness of Blood Bowl. To me, that's how it has always been. One of my favourite Blood Bowl illustrations is from one of the 2nd edition books, a gigantic Great Unclean One sat spectating, taking up multiple rows of seats, eating popcorn (or Khorne flakes? I can't remember).
That's Blood Bowl. It's absurd.
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Post by: ListenToMeWarriors
Wilhelm Chaney. Can see this sculpt dividing opinion.
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Post by: The Phazer
I can see what they were going for but I think they've overdone the headturn by about 20 degrees to look natural.
And yes, a real wolf probably can do that but they don't have arms, so they look okay.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
It’s one of the better Werewolf sculpts I’ve seen in my time, though I agree with the comment above that perhaps the head turn is a bit extreme.
Most importantly though it has bags of character, and looks the part.
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Post by: Voss
Yeah, that's... a sculpt.
When I opened up the image in my ipad this morning, it took a moment to figure out what I was looking at. Was thinking the skull was the head and the rest just... a mess of limbs and protrusions.
Once I read that it was supposed to be a werewolf I was able to put the image together properly, but it didn't gel at all at first look. Just too many pieces of unexpected gear and weird angles.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Utterly ridiculous. Wolves don't wear pants. Everyone knows this. 
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Post by: PourSpelur
Remove the football and he's doing ballet.
Like all good werewolves do.
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Post by: Jadenim
PourSpelur wrote:Remove the football and he's doing ballet.
Like all good werewolves do.
Must. Resist. Desire. To. Greenstuff. Tutu!
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Post by: Dysartes
Don't forget the tattered remnants of ballet shoes on his feet...
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Dysartes wrote:
Don't forget the tattered remnants of ballet shoes on his feet...
He already has some straps around one calf, so just paint them pink to match the tutu.
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Post by: Anvilbrow
Based on previous BB releases, is it safe to assume that the new Khorne team roster will be 0-16 Khorneline, 0-4 Khorne berserkers and 0-2 Khorngors? Could they be hiding a minotaur release? Once again, it'll be difficult to flesh out a full team without buying an entire box for the extra linemen... Anybody hear differently?
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Post by: Mr_Rose
Anvilbrow wrote:Based on previous BB releases, is it safe to assume that the new Khorne team roster will be 0-16 Khorneline, 0-4 Khorne berserkers and 0-2 Khorngors? Could they be hiding a minotaur release? Once again, it'll be difficult to flesh out a full team without buying an entire box for the extra linemen... Anybody hear differently?
Probably definitely a 0-12 line-dudes list, with 0-4 of the other two positions, unless they sneak in a 0-2 “runner” type as well in which case 0-2 Khornegors would fit.
0-16s tend (only tend, not a hard rule) to be “bad” players as in S2 or with negative traits.
Almost certainly at least one Big Guy position, possibly 0-2 Minotaurs but chaos ogres might be available too in which case it’ll be 0-1 each. I reckon trolls are unlikely to be an option.
But that’s basically pure speculation; no-one has any actual rumours regarding the roster that I’m aware of. Many people seem to be assuming they will be a nearly untouched reprise of the Khorne daemon team from the FUMBBL “secret” teams list, for what that’s worth.
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Post by: Anvilbrow
Chaos Chosen, Humans, Necro, Orcs, Skaven all still have 0-16 for their base linemen. I know that all of the elves, dwarfs, skinks etc. were dropped to 12 in the new ed. I think you're right, probably a 0-12 position, but wouldn't be shocked if they were 0-16 if there is no big guy position. I sincerely hope they don't have 0-4 khorngors and only two in the box... GW would never put only 2 of a 0-4 in the team box...
I'm a bit surprised that aside from speculation based on the releases of Scylla and Max, there were no solid rumors about the Khorne team.
I'm trying to figure out what I need to do to update my Greebo Khorne team and at the current release rate, it could be months before we know more...
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Post by: Thargrim
I sure hope the Khorne warriors have the tab on their foot to insert into the base slots. If it's another deal like the wood elf catchers it'll turn me off from the kit for sure.
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Post by: Graphite
I must admit that I like the fact that the most successful Khorne team has only taken to trying to actually win games so that they can climb the league and take more prestigious skulls.
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Post by: morgaur
Most certainly, yes. Called a Bloodspawn (too keep with the unimaginative naming convention that gave Nurgle the Rotspawn), and, judging by the description, probably with Frenzy and Claws.
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Post by: Wha-Mu-077
morgaur wrote:
Most certainly, yes. Called a Bloodspawn (too keep with the unimaginative naming convention that gave Nurgle the Rotspawn).
Waiting for the Schemespawn and edited by moderator then.
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Post by: morgaur
Great. Now I'm unable to think of any other valid name for them, thank you.
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Post by: GaroRobe
 H.B.M.C. wrote:Utterly ridiculous. Wolves don't wear pants. Everyone knows this.
Exactly. What do they think he is, a wearwolf?
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
It's all because of the Jean-Stealers from 40k
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Post by: Dysartes
Two classic teams coming back for a Made to Order run next week - anyone planning on picking up the Tomb Kings or Amazons?
For anyone with an Amazon team already, are there three or four Blitzers in the team shot? And I take it the different heads are what distinguishes the Blitzers and Throwers on the Tomb Kings team, though I really wish the latter were at least holding a ball...
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Post by: Rygnan
Dysartes wrote:Two classic teams coming back for a Made to Order run next week - anyone planning on picking up the Tomb Kings or Amazons?
For anyone with an Amazon team already, are there three or four Blitzers in the team shot? And I take it the different heads are what distinguishes the Blitzers and Throwers on the Tomb Kings team, though I really wish the latter were at least holding a ball...
I think honestly this is a pretty bad faith release. Neither have a full roster, and the missing ones are the ones that define the teams (Tomb Guardians and a Blitzer) so you have to buy 2 sets to actually get the team you'll want to play. I was convinced I'd buy the Khemri until I noticed, and now I'm just disappointed
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Post by: privateer4hire
So does this hint that these teams won't see plastic releases?
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Post by: Vorian
It just means they have got to these two in the made to order shedule. Teams have been MtO and then done in plastic before.
And a bad faith release? They are just doing the teams as they were originally released 20 - 30 years ago. Saves a fortune vs ebay prices.
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Post by: Arbitrator
Wood Elves, Halflings and Ogres had a MTO run in 2017 and are now in plastic, so they might not see plastics in the immediate future but will get them eventually.
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Post by: Londinium
Main thing it suggests is that they're not in the immediate release schedule as it'd cause the fanbase to rightly moan if a plastic version came out in the near future. MTO teams in the last year have been Chaos Dwarves, Amazons and Khemri and before the Pandemic BB used to put out teams on a quarterly basis. Khorne looks to be out before the end of 2021.
If GW can get their production back into something equating normality and there isn't a 4th Covid wave (looking positive right now in the UK at least) then hopefully we get 4 releases in 2022. The remaining Teams of Legend that haven't seen MTO releases in recent times are High Elves, Norse and Vampires. If they're mixed into the 2022 schedule along with potentially more new teams (like Khorne, Snotlings, Black Orcs and Nobility) then you're probably looking at 2023+ for plastic versions of Khemri and Amazons now.
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Post by: Vorian
Helves and Vamps were the last made to order.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Squeak!
The Verminator.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Plastic or resin?
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Post by: Wha-Mu-077
"I'll be back-return, yes-yes." - the Verminator upon being banned for life, again.
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Post by: Dysartes
Not specified either way in the article.
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Post by: Baxx
Kreek returns with a free, personal auto-successful bribe. Instead of the previous, more accurate team availability, he will now be Underworld Challenge so also available to Gobbos and Snotlings. 40k more expensive too (most stars get a discount in this edition). This is obviously resin. What's the point of asking? Plastic, resin, cost, too expensive, paint job, bad, good, yaddayadda. Automatically Appended Next Post:  Rygnan wrote: I think honestly this is a pretty bad faith release. Neither have a full roster, and the missing ones are the ones that define the teams (Tomb Guardians and a Blitzer) so you have to buy 2 sets to actually get the team you'll want to play. I was convinced I'd buy the Khemri until I noticed, and now I'm just disappointed
Now? Isn't this how they've always been? I didn't know MTO changed the content. Automatically Appended Next Post: Anvilbrow wrote:I sincerely hope they don't have 0-4 khorngors and only two in the box... GW would never put only 2 of a 0-4 in the team box...
0-12 or 0-16 is largely irrelevant in my experience. Khorngors will be 0-4. Automatically Appended Next Post: Far from it. Nothing suggests any existing teams will not see plastic (except Slann of course).
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Post by: ListenToMeWarriors
90% sure it will be resin from Forge World, sadly there does not seem to be the sales for plastic star players bar those we got in the recent new boxed edition.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I kinda want him to use as a special Rat Ogre in Warhammer Quest.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Yes-yes! Smash-rip foolish adventure-things!
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Post by: SamusDrake
Baxx wrote:
This is obviously resin. What's the point of asking?
Plastic, resin, cost, too expensive, paint job, bad, good, yaddayadda.
Seriously, "Kreek ‘The Verminator’ Rustgouger is available for pre-order soon from Forgeworld" is all they have to do with these articles.
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Post by: Dryaktylus
While the Khemri team was... okayish, the Amazons were one of the most unsightly releases from Fanatic. I don't think it takes much time to fulfill the orders.
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Post by: Theophony
 Dryaktylus wrote:
While the Khemri team was... okayish, the Amazons were one of the most unsightly releases from Fanatic. I don't think it takes much time to fulfill the orders.
The Khemri team was miserable to put together, even the pads were separate .
The Amazon team just had really dumb headdresses. Seriously the runners had fish helmets....It was a "Running" joke about if it smells like fish.....
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Post by: Dryaktylus
Theophony wrote: Dryaktylus wrote:
While the Khemri team was... okayish, the Amazons were one of the most unsightly releases from Fanatic. I don't think it takes much time to fulfill the orders.
The Amazon team just had really dumb headdresses.
And frog legs. And ugly faces. And tiny torsi.
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Post by: Santtu
Dysartes wrote:For anyone with an Amazon team already, are there three or four Blitzers in the team shot?
GW says three but I'm not convinced. If you look at the picture there are two of the model this catalogue calls linewoman 4, and one of each blitzer model. Either there are only two blitzers in the set or, more likely, there's a mistake in the catalogue and linewoman 4 is supposed to be another blitzer. It's almost identical to blitzer 1.
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Post by: Theophony
Santtu wrote: Dysartes wrote:For anyone with an Amazon team already, are there three or four Blitzers in the team shot?
GW says three but I'm not convinced. If you look at the picture there are two of the model this catalogue calls linewoman 4, and one of each blitzer model. Either there are only two blitzers in the set or, more likely, there's a mistake in the catalogue and linewoman 4 is supposed to be another blitzer. It's almost identical to blitzer 1.
I think I used linewoman 4 as a third blitzer. I remember differetiating them by the feather headdresses. If they had the peacock spread headdress like the two blitzers and the linewoman4 then they were blitzers on my team. If they had the feathers in a row more like a mohawk then they were linewomen. I bought two boxes either way just to have 16 figures and Chopped and converted the extras for experienced players.
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Post by: zamerion
the next team, skavens skyre?
It's a joke, but it would be great if they did like with khorne and gave us clues with star players
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Post by: Baxx
SamusDrake wrote:
Seriously, "Kreek ‘The Verminator’ Rustgouger is available for pre-order soon from Forgeworld" is all they have to do with these articles.
But we already know it's FW and I cannot believe people gonna ask plastic or resin every time. It's resin. 100%.
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Post by: SamusDrake
Baxx wrote:SamusDrake wrote:
Seriously, "Kreek ‘The Verminator’ Rustgouger is available for pre-order soon from Forgeworld" is all they have to do with these articles.
But we already know it's FW and I cannot believe people gonna ask plastic or resin every time. It's resin. 100%.
Okay then, enlighten us; how do you know its a Forgeworld release? Have they already stated it in an article or are you just making an educated guess based on previous releases?
If its the later then do not assume everyone has the same knowledge of previous releases as yourself - they might just be getting into the game and simply not aware its a resin kit. They could be asking because they genuinely do not know.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Wood.
He's made of laser-carved wood.
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Post by: SamusDrake
But neither GW nor FW uses wood.... 
...oooooooooooooooh! Tsk. Oh you...I see what you did there!
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Post by: Wha-Mu-077
Dummy, how are you gonna get wood in Britian? There's no trees there.
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Post by: SamusDrake
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Dummy, how are you gonna get wood in Britian? There's no trees there.
Y'know, it all makes sense now...
Nottingham. Sherwood Forest.
BANDIT COUNTRY.
Its why their prices are so damn high and we're all too willing to pay!
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Post by: GaroRobe
It's the new ecofriendly product GW is introducing.
Forgewood.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
FineWood.
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Post by: SamusDrake
WoodCast.
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Post by: Wha-Mu-077
THE BEST WOOD EVER!
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Post by: GaroRobe
Games Woodshop.
Which is a joke GW should have made when they released the woodelf team smh
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Post by: Theophony
The Ents aren’t going to like
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Post by: Dysartes
I knew I missed a trick by not describing it as a white metal/Finecast/Bonesium/HIPS hybrid...
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Post by: Baxx
SamusDrake wrote:
Okay then, enlighten us; how do you know its a Forgeworld release? Have they already stated it in an article or are you just making an educated guess based on previous releases?
If its the later then do not assume everyone has the same knowledge of previous releases as yourself - they might just be getting into the game and simply not aware its a resin kit. They could be asking because they genuinely do not know.
This isn't a product new players should consider. If you are a new player, you got far more important questions to ask than what the latest shiny star player is made of.
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Post by: JWBS
Nah I can easily see a new player wanting to build a team around this guy, it would be a bummer for them not knowing that they need to buy it from a different place, needs a slightly different skill / tool set to build, and he costs more than the entire plastic team that are supporting him.
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Post by: Baxx
Really? Kreek Rustgouger would be the last place I would advice a new player to start.
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Post by: GaroRobe
I think he means new players see a cool model and want to make a team based around him. Not that he is a good choice for a beginner
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Post by: JWBS
Yes, exactly. Model aesthetics first and foremost for many people, I can imagine it being the case equally or even moreso for beginners.
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Post by: SamusDrake
Baxx wrote:SamusDrake wrote:
Okay then, enlighten us; how do you know its a Forgeworld release? Have they already stated it in an article or are you just making an educated guess based on previous releases?
If its the later then do not assume everyone has the same knowledge of previous releases as yourself - they might just be getting into the game and simply not aware its a resin kit. They could be asking because they genuinely do not know.
This isn't a product new players should consider. If you are a new player, you got far more important questions to ask than what the latest shiny star player is made of.
I said "getting into the game" not "new to the hobby." The game in question, Blood Bowl.
Look, asking if something is going to be plastic or resin isn't hurting anyone. If they already knew the answer then they wouldn't ask. Lets face it, its not any effort for Warhammer Community to clarify if something will be a Forgeworld release or not, and thus there would be no need for such questions in the first place.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
You'd hope they'd be able to tell us but depending on who is writing the article they may not know,
as even if they have access to the mini (as opposed to being sent a photo) it's likely to be a 3d print done prior to real production and painted up so they box art could be done
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Post by: SamusDrake
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:You'd hope they'd be able to tell us but depending on who is writing the article they may not know,
as even if they have access to the mini (as opposed to being sent a photo) it's likely to be a 3d print done prior to real production and painted up so they box art could be done
Hmmm...possibility I guess.
I just find it bizarre that a company doesn't put its name to it's products, especially when they have "nothing to do with GW and vice verca".
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Post by: Joyboozer
I think my biggest problem with new Blood Bowl is that there is no design consistency and a lot of star players look completely out of place in their team.
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Post by: Wha-Mu-077
Joyboozer wrote:
I think my biggest problem with new Blood Bowl is that there is no design consistency and a lot of star players look completely out of place in their team.
I imagine that might be because GW does the teams and FW does the star players, usually a few years after.
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Post by: Theophony
Or since they are star players and the teams are generic players, they just look out of place anyway. If there was a real ogre that joined a NFL team who carried dismembered corpses into the fray they would look out of place too.
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Post by: Joyboozer
While both points are true, it also means the releases look just as out of place as third party designs, and shown out of context, is what I would assume most of the Forge World releases are.
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Post by: Dysartes
Khorne Bloodspawn as a Big Guy for the team.
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Post by: JWBS
Is he...
...
........plastic or resin?
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Post by: Wha-Mu-077
Each one is individually sculpted out of marble.
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Post by: Dysartes
Marzipan, for use as an edible cake topper.
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Post by: Dysartes
Pre-orders are up for Wilhelm Cheney and The Verminator - £19 for the former, £28 for the latter.
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Post by: AllSeeingSkink
Might have been posted in another thread, but I couldn't find it...
Kroxigor!!
I hope it looks better from other angles. They do have a tendency to make such extreme dynamic poses for BB that they don't look good in static model form.
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Post by: Wha-Mu-077
See, this is how a Kroxigor should look like.
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Post by: ekwatts
PlAsTiC oR rEsIn?!
PlAsTiC oR rEsIn?!
PlAsTiC oR rEsIn?!
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Post by: Jack Flask
 ekwatts wrote:PlAsTiC oR rEsIn?!
PlAsTiC oR rEsIn?!
PlAsTiC oR rEsIn?!
RESTIC!! 
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Post by: privateer4hire
Mantic’s making it?
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Post by: Kanluwen
ekwatts wrote:PlAsTiC oR rEsIn?!
PlAsTiC oR rEsIn?!
PlAsTiC oR rEsIn?!
You're not as funny as you think you are.
It's a valid question that's been blown out of proportion as though it is not.
We've gotten Ogres, Treeman, and Trolls as plastic. This isn't a Star Player. It very well could be plastic.
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Post by: Ghaz
All of the Lizardman players wear shorts, so it only makes sense that the Kroxigor does as well...
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Post by: Shooter
 Kanluwen wrote: ekwatts wrote:PlAsTiC oR rEsIn?!
PlAsTiC oR rEsIn?!
PlAsTiC oR rEsIn?!
You're not as funny as you think you are.
It's a valid question that's been blown out of proportion as though it is not.
We've gotten Ogres, Treeman, and Trolls as plastic. This isn't a Star Player. It very well could be plastic.
It also means its gonna cost more and not be available with the standard 20% discount.
if I want to order the forge world troll it will cost me £26.50 inc postage, I can get the plastic BB troll for £14.40
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Post by: Mr_Rose
Kanluwen wrote: ekwatts wrote:PlAsTiC oR rEsIn?!
PlAsTiC oR rEsIn?!
PlAsTiC oR rEsIn?!
You're not as funny as you think you are.
It's a valid question that's been blown out of proportion as though it is not.
We've gotten Ogres, Treeman, and Trolls as plastic. This isn't a Star Player. It very well could be plastic.
Ogres, treemen, and trolls also all exist in multiple teams, increasing the potential sales and making the cost of tooling up a plastic mould easier to justify to the bean-counters. If any other Big Guy was going to get a plastic kit it’d be the Minotaur next, I think. Especially if the new khorne team roster includes one as an option.
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Post by: Ghaz
ekwatts wrote:PlAsTiC oR rEsIn?!
PlAsTiC oR rEsIn?!
PlAsTiC oR rEsIn?!
From Facebook:
Blood Bowl wrote:It's Forge World resin,...
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Post by: Mr_Rose
So, anyway, Dungeon Bowl!
Announced on the Warhammer Day preview stream, with an article on Warhammer Community here.
Looks like Classic Dungeon Bowl but with a significant glow-up. New (sorta) College teams that appear to be thematically linked pairs of current team sprues are in, probably 1 for each college so sprues from 16 teams, potentially. Known are Dark Elves and Skaven for Ulgu and Ogres and Dwarves (and snotlings I guess) for Chamon.
The new boxes set will contain The Rules (standalone; no cross-referencing with the core book) two sets of dice (new colours!), the aforementioned fire and shadow teams, the standard templates sprue, a brand new set of teleportal and treasure chest models,, and a set of dungeon tiles that appear to be classic Warhammer Quest tiles re-scaled to new BB bases, plus two team dugouts.
The dugout tiles lack the turn and score tracks completely so it looks like it’s ye olde first-to-score wins, however long that takes format. Form this and the teleportal in the dugout wall it looks like the reinforcements will work the same way too. In fact, it’s probably a full reprint of the LRB5 rules but brought up-to-date with terminology changes like rushing, and the inclusion of the passing stat.
Sounds pretty good to me, how about you?
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Post by: Shooter
Looks great to me, hopefully same price as current blood bowl.
If we can buy half'n'half teams that will also make putting together teams of 16 for normal blood bowl easier too, as generally need 1.5 boxes for most.
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Post by: TheGoodGerman
 Shooter wrote:If we can buy half'n'half teams that will also make putting together teams of 16 for normal blood bowl easier too, as generally need 1.5 boxes for most.
Might also be a good source for Blitz Bowl teams. But this box will only give you two (the Blitz Bowl box already has a Dwarf team and there’s no Ogres in the game). Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, with the Khorne release I like the fact that the FW booster at least allows you to fill up on all position players. It has not always been this way.
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Post by: ekwatts
The key question is...
Is Dungeonbowl going to be PLASTIC OR RESIN?!
But seriously, I love it. I've always loved the old Dungeonbowl mixed race teams, and it looks like they're bringing that aspect back.
My fave was the Black Widows, made up of Skeletons, Mummies and Trolls. So I'll be interested to see how many of the old team rosters are brought back and/or modified.
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Post by: Mr_Rose
Yeah, next weekend is gonna be expensive. The team, dice, cards, pitch, magazine, booster, big guy, and two star players… not even counting the irrelevant non Blood Bowl stuff…
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Post by: John D Law
Was this guy mentioned anywhere yet?
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