Mr_Rose wrote: So, anyone order their Dwarf Giants dice yet?
No, the Dwarf dice was available in several stores so I managed to get a couple when they were originally released.
I did however order all the new ones including Skaven dice v2 so looking forward to that. I do think they look uglier then the previous dice sets, but maybe they can improve after a closer look.
Inanimate wrote: Too bad the models were event exclusive. I like that ogre a lot better than the plastic one, which is still cool. Oh well...
Anyone know if the goblin pitch will be neoprene or folding card?
I think they're available at Warhammer World too; talk to Dr Grotsnik.
Thanks for the reply. Will do so.
Have you guys had time to test the dice? I've read complaints about the dice in the boxed game being loaded, or at least manufactured with really poor QC.
Baxx wrote: I did make a salt water test on all the previous dice.
Found bias towards 11 on human D16 and orc D16. Did not find any balance on Skaven (v1) D16 and Dwarf D16.
Unfortunately, the salt water test was not good for D6, so the test was inconclusive there. The dice simply didn't roll freely enough.
You need to actually roll them and tally the results. Salt water tests will only tell you if they're biased, but not by how much. I'd say a couple of percent bias is probably fine and unlikely to affect a game, if it's say 10% out then I'd be looking at buying replacements.
WOW...you guys are salt water testing dice(whatever the F that means)?
I have been playing this game since the paper days, and it never crossed my mind to even worry about it. Mean to say, it just isn't worth ruining a good time.
bound for glory wrote: WOW...you guys are salt water testing dice(whatever the F that means)?
I have been playing this game since the paper days, and it never crossed my mind to even worry about it. Mean to say, it just isn't worth ruining a good time.
Sorry.
Whatever floats your boat I guess !!
Some people get very concerned about dodgy dice, I am not that bothered myself either.
Online play ( blood bowl 2 online ) is really bad in regards to people complaining about the RNG.
And to be clear I'm not mocking anyone who has the time and inclination to salt water test dice(whatever the F that is). I just know when we play(the Thursday night Hero's. we have been called the Biggest and longest running Blood Bowl league on the east coast by our local GW sales rep) we are doing so to have a good time playing the best game GW ever made. Heck, I have so many sets of Block Dice(about 40 sets) it just does'nt matter to me.
My Hobgoblin team, JFA, is doing pretty good, with a record or 3 and 1. we have just started our 27 season.
bound for glory wrote: WOW...you guys are salt water testing dice(whatever the F that means)?
I have been playing this game since the paper days, and it never crossed my mind to even worry about it. Mean to say, it just isn't worth ruining a good time.
Sorry.
I said I tested dice, I didn't say I worried about it.
Well, it's not completely accurate. For a demo game a friend borrowed a team and a set of dice from the new box, and the first two rounds he rolled double skulls... other than that I don't worry, it's much more an interest.
You don't find wether dice are biased or not interesting?
You need to actually roll them and tally the results. Salt water tests will only tell you if they're biased, but not by how much. I'd say a couple of percent bias is probably fine and unlikely to affect a game, if it's say 10% out then I'd be looking at buying replacements.
Yes, you're right. The bias could be diminishing or actually make a difference.
I haven't bothered with rolling dice and counting cause I don't find that task vey interesting. I did try and make some photos of the new dice and see if I could get some image recognition algorithm/library make out the difference of the sides, but I didn't get very far at it. My plan was to build an automatic dice-tower with a web camera to record the results and have this program do the statistics for me. Unfortunately I know too little about image recognition.
bound for glory wrote: I have been playing this game since the paper days, and it never crossed my mind to even worry about it.
I don't "worry" about it, I think, I observe, I test, I correct if necessary... worry? No
I guess some of us are just more inquisitive than others
Mean to say, it just isn't worth ruining a good time.
Err, checking dice bias is usually done outside of the games themselves. You don't stop someone mid game and say "hang on a second, lets check those dice!".
My ability to check dice bias doesn't preclude me from having a good time, but thank you for your concern
AllSeeingSkink wrote: You need to actually roll them and tally the results. Salt water tests will only tell you if they're biased, but not by how much. I'd say a couple of percent bias is probably fine and unlikely to affect a game, if it's say 10% out then I'd be looking at buying replacements.
Yes, you're right. The bias could be diminishing or actually make a difference.
I haven't bothered with rolling dice and counting cause I don't find that task vey interesting. I did try and make some photos of the new dice and see if I could get some image recognition algorithm/library make out the difference of the sides, but I didn't get very far at it. My plan was to build an automatic dice-tower with a web camera to record the results and have this program do the statistics for me. Unfortunately I know too little about image recognition.
I would never bother testing more than 1 or two dice manually, but if you're just checking a couple of dice it doesn't take all that long to roll them tally the results, probably take me less time than writing a program
I'm not really sure how you'd write a program either. It would be quite easy to do one for dice with pips, because you just need something that identifies pips. But identifying the patterns on a BB dice.... can't say I've ever tried to do something like that before. I guess if the die was a very different colour to the area you're rolling it on you could use colour to identify the die itself, then use a cross correlation to determine which pattern is on the upward facing side, but I don't know how you'd account for the die falling in different orientations (eg, how to identify if you're looking for an upside down skull or a right side up skull). I guess it wouldn't take much computing power so you could just rotate your pattern through 360 degrees and correlate at every, I dunno, say 5 degrees, pick the angle which has the highest correlation and then pick the pattern which gave the highest correlation at the highest angle.
EDIT: Or maybe identify the edges of the die based on colour, fit lines to those edges and then use that to rotate the image of the rolled die to be orthogonal. Once the image of the die is orthogonal you just need to perform correlations at 0, 90, 180 and 270 degrees.
A programmer I am not, but I could probably write a matlab script to do that.
some info from the BB even at GWHQ over the weekend :
Update from the short q&a with Andy after full beard today. Lots of pics (no we didn't take any) and much information that was given previously at Warhammer fest.
The only new images to me were a painted version of the loverly Minotaur and painted versions of the chaos renegade and underworld tokens
Other stuff that is new to me...
New card pitches (goblin and elf next) will be double sided, the alternate side being weather effected with some fun and optional rules of play for them. The goblin pitch will be flooded. The elven pitch frozen over.
Plastic teams will come out regularly (quarterly) starting from late this year/Christmas. The first of these will be the elven union.
The elven union box contains at least 2 female miniatures (no pics yet) and will be more multipart than previous sets so more variation should be easier.
Forgeworld are producing an alternate troll. He will have 3 optional heads and will also be holding an ogre leg!!!!!
New cards are being produced for the teams with editable elements (so you can upgrade bits such as skills)
Other goblin positionals - pack called mechanical mayhem (edit: Killer Contraptions) - hopefully out before Xmas and the ooligan won't be what we expect?!
reds8n wrote: some info from the BB even at GWHQ over the weekend :
Update from the short q&a with Andy after full beard today. Lots of pics (no we didn't take any) and much information that was given previously at Warhammer fest.
The only new images to me were a painted version of the loverly Minotaur and painted versions of the chaos renegade and underworld tokens
Other stuff that is new to me...
New card pitches (goblin and elf next) will be double sided, the alternate side being weather effected with some fun and optional rules of play for them. The goblin pitch will be flooded. The elven pitch frozen over.
Plastic teams will come out regularly (quarterly) starting from late this year/Christmas. The first of these will be the elven union.
The elven union box contains at least 2 female miniatures (no pics yet) and will be more multipart than previous sets so more variation should be easier.
Forgeworld are producing an alternate troll. He will have 3 optional heads and will also be holding an ogre leg!!!!!
New cards are being produced for the teams with editable elements (so you can upgrade bits such as skills)
Other goblin positionals - pack called mechanical mayhem (edit: Killer Contraptions) - hopefully out before Xmas and the ooligan won't be what we expect?!
All of this is fantastic.I was already really looking forward to the Elven Union team, but the increased modularity is excellent news.
It sounds like the strategy for Blood Bowl is starting to come together more solidly after being taken by surprise by the popularity of the re-release this year.
I imagine there will be complaints (yawn) about the perceived paucity of proposed releases of plastic teams if we're looking at four a year but for a non-40k/AoS product, I'd say that's about the best you could hope for from almost any other company, and that wouldn't be taking into account the resin star players, boosters and big guys that appear to be planned, so I'm perfectly happy with that number.
I know there's a strong rumour that Nurgle are being moved to plastic, but is there any indication that Chaos Pact will also be plastic or resin?
I think the most exciting bit of news there - both for Blood Bowl and Specialist Games generally - is the committment to a solid, regular release schedule of plastic teams going forward. That means BB has been successful enough that GW have made room for it in their standard production schedule rather than just budgeting a short blurt of plastics and then passing it off to FW.
I already have 2 trolls, but I will have to get that one as well since it's just so cool.
Maybe a good opportunity to start an Ogre team but with troll annd ogre models. You think this would fly in a semi-serious setting? I know some people are really sensitive when it comes to counts-as.
Inanimate wrote: I already have 2 trolls, but I will have to get that one as well since it's just so cool.
Maybe a good opportunity to start an Ogre team but with troll annd ogre models. You think this would fly in a semi-serious setting? I know some people are really sensitive when it comes to counts-as.
You have 2 Trolls? I have about 15. And about 12 Minotaurs, 20 Ogres, 10 Treemen and 12 Rat Ogres.
I'll definitely be grabbing the Troll. Didn't buy the plastic one because it looked too awkward for my liking.
Elves look good, but I'd be more interested in a Wood Elf or High Elf team.
And pretty please a Lizardman team that matches the aesthetic of the computer game!! I want a Lizard team but the plastic Saurus look way too weedy and plastic Temple Guard too static to be bothered trying to convert them.
Not mad on the colour scheme, but they look fantastic.
I feel like if I buy them I'm going to end up keeping them unassembled until Forge World release the inevitable mohican conversion kit so I can make a modernised Albion Assassins team (from the back of the BB2 2nd Edition Star Players book, I used to have a painted version made from the awful yellow plastic elves in the Dungeon Bowl box).
Unsure about the thrower pose...and the paintjob is tacky and not in a good harlequin cyber elf way. Seeing 360 spins of these or them unpainted could change my mind. I suppose they are decent enough....
I personally hope we get halflings in plastic, that would be an instant buy for me. I need an easy way to handicap myself so my friends have an easier time or even a chance at winning.
How does the Elven Union compare to the Wood Elf list? I bought a 3rd party elf team to paint up, but am rather fond of these new ones coming out. Would it be better just to paint these guys in greens and browns and toss in a treeman? Elven Union didn't look like it had any fun heavy hitters, but I haven't actually played yet so I have no reference to judge
Baxx wrote: How you get time to paint all of that?
Been quite busy painting the new GW range, still I'm lagging 2 teams behind and 2 star players.
I've been collecting Blood Bowl/Fantasy Football figures since first edition. We were Hacking up D&D figures when the game was card standups. I still have about 20 of these Frankinstiens.
Now I own about 1,700 BB/FF figures. Why? I have no idea...
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ekwatts wrote: Not mad on the colour scheme, but they look fantastic.
I feel like if I buy them I'm going to end up keeping them unassembled until Forge World release the inevitable mohican conversion kit so I can make a modernised Albion Assassins team (from the back of the BB2 2nd Edition Star Players book, I used to have a painted version made from the awful yellow plastic elves in the Dungeon Bowl box).
"The Albion Assassins meet the Death Wish in a mid field Melee."
I painted my 2nd ed metal Elf's as the Assassins. Good times.
Kalamadea wrote: How does the Elven Union compare to the Wood Elf list? I bought a 3rd party elf team to paint up, but am rather fond of these new ones coming out. Would it be better just to paint these guys in greens and browns and toss in a treeman? Elven Union didn't look like it had any fun heavy hitters, but I haven't actually played yet so I have no reference to judge
Elven Union doesn't have the treeman, but they are fast and have possibly the best catchers in the game. The blitzers also start with a couple useful skills like block and sidestep. They are fragile like WE as well so you don't want to take injuries. If you painted them in greens and browns they could pass off as Wood Elves without too much trouble. The problem is making one or two look like a wardancer, I tend to like different positionals to look a bit distinct.
I am suitable impressed by those elves. If I had some spare change burning a hole in my pocket, I would not be surprised if I walked out of a store with a box...and I don't even play Blood Bowl. I'd be worried if they did a proper Dark Elf team... =$=
This looks better than the final heads on the blitzer, I don't know why they changed it but the hair is wonky as hell on the final head. And this head has nice flowing hair, not sure why they changed it. Perhaps this head is an option on the sprue..but simply is not shown in the painted images. Also bummed about the lack of mohawks, the BB2 Legendary Edition version of this team that just came out is superior in aesthetics in my opinion.
Whoops, looks like you didn't specify which Chaos team it was you were waiting for.
In all seriousness though, I thought it wouldn't be that hard to put 2 Warriors and 4 Beastmen on a sprue and stick a pair of said sprues in a box; looks like FW already took care of the Minotaur.
Yeah. That minotaur is awesome, but the rest of it looks like someone said "Chaos army? Just throw together a bunch of gak from other teams and paint it darker!" Definitely disappointing.
EnTyme wrote: Yeah. That minotaur is awesome, but the rest of it looks like someone said "Chaos army? Just throw together a bunch of gak from other teams and paint it darker!" Definitely disappointing.
Chaos Renegades are made up of the riff-raff from other teams: multiple Big Guys, humans, orcs, skaven, and gobbos all (sort of) playing together. Different from the traditional Chaos Team, which is Minotaur, Chaos Warriors, and Beastmen.
2nd Edition BB had more mixed-race teams, allowing you to field some pretty wacky (and/or broken) lineups. The "Underworld Denizens" team is a similar callback. So, there's a fair bit of history and "in-universe" precedent for the team assembled there.
On the evidence of the latest releases I wouldn't be too surprised if we saw some more odd-bod teams pop up as the design team in charge appear to have loosened the shackles a little and are taking a huge dollop of inspiration from the 2nd Edition aesthetic and designing teams to match. Dropping an Orc into the Chaos Renegade lineup (basically just to allow Renegade players to field a lineup resembling the Mongrel Horde 2nd edition rulebook art, attached below) is a funny little indicator of that. So as some of the classic 3rd+ teams are translated into BB 2016 I wouldn't be surprised to see some small changes and/or new teams altogether, inspired by the 2nd Ed lineups. I'm personally holding out for a Troll team, similar to the Ogre team, but even more useless and fun.
Some of the old Dungeonbowl teams were pretty interesting, actually.
Haven't picked up any Bloodbowl rulebooks yet, but can anyone confirm that there are at least rules for the Beastmen + Chaos Warriors Choas team? That's what I've been holding out for. It's by far my favorite in the VG (though I do like the new Khemri team, too).
EnTyme wrote: Haven't picked up any Bloodbowl rulebooks yet, but can anyone confirm that there are at least rules for the Beastmen + Chaos Warriors Choas team? That's what I've been holding out for. It's by far my favorite in the VG (though I do like the new Khemri team, too).
You're in luck; that team is now called the Chaos Chosen team and while it hasn't been printed in the season books so far, it's available on the GW Teams of Legend PDF here:
Rules for Elf teams (Union, High, Dark and Wood), Dwarves, Humans, Orcs, Nurgle and Skaven are not on that document as they've been printed in Death Zone Season One, while Chaos Renegades and Goblins are in Season Two and differ slightly from the versions on the Teams of Legend PDF now. Underworld Denizens are also dealt with in Season Two but I don't think there are any changes for them.
All teams from previous edition including Chaos are also in the new edition. Even teams that GW no longer supports (like Slann) are very much still in the game because NAF will never exclude them, and NAF usually sets the precedence over GW.
I doubt Season 2 is the last of the books going off prior announcements signifying continuing and more regular BB support, so I expect Chaos Chosen will be popping up at some point in the future, and once that happens, model support of some form will follow.
At this stage I wouldn't make any assumptions as to which teams are likely to pop up in the Season books.
As for the NAF, they really only acted as the authority while GW had moved BB into a managed decline during the gradual wind-down of Specialist Games. I don't think anyone is going to dispute that GW are back in the driving seat at this point; they've made changes to the Chaos Renegades and Goblin teams, for instance, that haven't been disputed so I'd say that the ball is back in GWs court as to what's considered official (as is right, considering they own the property).
I was never a big fan of the NAFs stewardship anyway. They always seemed far more focussed on keeping the rules and team lists as stripped down and beige as possible for the purposes of tournament fairness. That's not really what Blood Bowl is about to me but I understand where they're coming from.
I agree partially, because GW is pushing out new things and mostly they make good changes and good new stuff.
NAF in my eyes seem very conservative. Any change needs a long time to mature to be supported. Some notable exceptions are the new goblin positionals and other minor changes to the teams by GW.
However, good luck finding any tournament following GW's rules and not NAF. Playing at a GW tournament, you won't be allowed to field Slann. Playing at any NAF tournament, you will always be guaranteed to be able to field Slann. There's not too many changes between the two rule sets, but there certainly are some, and GW is not having the final word in that matter.
Well, yes, they are, as they own the game. The "NAF", such as it is, can do whatever they like outside of official GW stores/events, they could even come up with a rubbish ape team that isn't featured in any Warhammer background or... oh, right, yeah. The Simyin.
Anyway, I get what you're saying, but in the end, with no official models (and since 3rd edition, no supporting fluff) coming for Slann, they're effectively just a homebrew, house-ruled fan addition to the game.
I'm not impugning them, but with GW now back in the driver seat with Blood Bowl, there's much more clarity on what counts as official, and Slann ain't. That'll never stop people playing with them, of course, but GW have never discouraged house rules.
The ape team is not supported or legal i any NAF tournaments. They have been keeping the community alive and the Simyin is just an example of new ideas, hardly anything you can hold against someone.
GW can do whatever they like in their tournaments, they own the game. But it will just be a tiny part of the tournaments, almost all of which follow NAF's rules. I've seen some characteristics of GW tournaments which I don't like:
-expensive
-only GW models allowed (so either convert, collect rare classic teams or play a very limited selection)
-they do more unconventional stuff (which I enjoy but others don't) like special play card(s) etc.
-very limited set of star players
I hope we see the Nurgle team soon... In theory it is the last so should follow the elves, but... Hells, there's so man star players - I hope to see anything new!
I saw the stream. The elf team is two identical sprues, but with 9 pieces per mini rather than three. The facemasks are a separate piece for example. There will also be a high elf pitch, one side of which is frozen. There will be dice, team cards and card sleeves released.
He reiterated the plan to do one team a quarter but did not say which is coming next.
Chikout wrote: I saw the stream. The elf team is two identical sprues, but with 9 pieces per mini rather than three. The facemasks are a separate piece for example. There will also be a high elf pitch, one side of which is frozen. There will be dice, team cards and card sleeves released.
He reiterated the plan to do one team a quarter but did not say which is coming next.
That's surprising but brilliant. No mohicans on the sprue by the (blurry, admittedly) looks of it....
But I'm very pleased to see them going a more modular route. Separate shoulder pads will always be a good idea!
Chikout wrote: I saw the stream. The elf team is two identical sprues, but with 9 pieces per mini rather than three. The facemasks are a separate piece for example. There will also be a high elf pitch, one side of which is frozen. There will be dice, team cards and card sleeves released.
He reiterated the plan to do one team a quarter but did not say which is coming next.
That's surprising but brilliant. No mohicans on the sprue by the (blurry, admittedly) looks of it....
But I'm very pleased to see them going a more modular route. Separate shoulder pads will always be a good idea!
They said they were going to do a goodwinesque punk team as a resin conversion kit like they did for the bright crusaders.
The mohawks and cyber elf styling were kind of the "thing" for this team. But i'm glad to see so many masks and customization compared to the earlier kits.
All sounds good to me! I wonder if the frosted over side is meant to serve as a substitute for the long sold out blood on the snow pitch... I'm hoping we get a few new star players soon!
One team per quarter is a pace I would certainly welcome (especially if done in plastic). And due to the number of pieces a proper cutomization might be possible...
I'm not as bothered about full customisation as I am decent figures with a good, Blood-Bowl-ish aesthetic to them. So far, that's been true of all the releases, so I've been happy, even if they are all a bit monopose.
Clockpunk wrote: Good lord, how many months has it been since the gobbos were released? Once the elves are out, then it must (hopefully) be nurgle's turn...
It has been too long, i think the release of the elves has been pushed back in favour of 40k and shadespire releases. My money would be on shadespire 2nd releases next week and possibly Elven Union the weekend after (preorder).
Clockpunk wrote: Good lord, how many months has it been since the gobbos were released? Once the elves are out, then it must (hopefully) be nurgle's turn...
It has been too long, i think the release of the elves has been pushed back in favour of 40k and shadespire releases. My money would be on shadespire 2nd releases next week and possibly Elven Union the weekend after (preorder).
Anyone know anything about it?
The elf team was always said to be coming in November. I doubt that has changed. The next plastic team will come in the spring.
We've had quite a few people from GW saying, among other things, that plans and promotional stuff (like the White Dwarf) is usually done 6+ months in advance.
I am sure they could - in theory - make short-term changes in a pinch, but why would they for a bloody Blood Bowl team?
Chances are, they are currently making pics of the 'Eavy Metal Blood Bowl team to be released in April and then send it over to the publication guys to start working on it, while the November Elven Union release was set before 40K 8th was even officially released.
I believe there has been some scrambling behind the scenes to push some things into plastic that weren't originally meant to be plastic, while making plans to accelerate pre-production on future releases and shoehorning those into release plans that I expect extend as far as Christmas 2018 at the very least.
But all that really represents is a more solid plan of support for the game, with more plastic releases now planned than before. As far as what might have been the "original" release plan back when Blood Bowl was dropped on us in November last year, the only deviation we've seen so far is the bumping of elves into plastic (apparently; I'm not convinced they weren't planned as plastic from the very start). There has been no slippage in anything so far.
I really don't understand where much of the criticism comes from. We're all eager to get our hands on more Blood Bowl stuff, as I have been since the late 1980s, but it happens when it happens. Here we are in October, and I regard it as a curious and happy privilege to be able to be discussing the impending release of a plastic Elf team in the next month or so. Not a position I expected to find myself in this time last year, even with the strong rumours of a new Blood Bowl boxed game on the horizon.
Sit on your hands, chaps. It's going to be alright.
Clockpunk wrote: Good lord, how many months has it been since the gobbos were released? Once the elves are out, then it must (hopefully) be nurgle's turn...
I don't get the urge for Nurgle. You have perfect models to convert from in 40k/AoS.
What I'd like before new teams is completion of already released teams. Humans and Orcs have waited a full year and still are unplayable. Even Goblins (currently last team released) got further than these 2 first teams.
Cataphract wrote: So, is the Elven Union only going to be Forge World or...?
I expect it to be sold in the same fashion as the Goblins and other teams, Forge World is responsible for the sculpts but they are produced in plastic and sold through the GW website as well.
Clockpunk wrote: Good lord, how many months has it been since the gobbos were released? Once the elves are out, then it must (hopefully) be nurgle's turn...
I don't get the urge for Nurgle. You have perfect models to convert from in 40k/AoS.
What I'd like before new teams is completion of already released teams. Humans and Orcs have waited a full year and still are unplayable. Even Goblins (currently last team released) got further than these 2 first teams.
Humans are available in a complete format already. Even if Forgeworld release the booster pack, it would end up costing the same to buy the Plastic Human box + the FW booster as it would to simply buy two human boxes. If you desperately need the completed team it's easily possible for you to do so (as I did).
This isn't a valid criticism. I get it, and I feel the same way, but I don't feel that it's as pressing as releasing the basic plastic boxes for the teams currently listed in the Season books (minus the Underworld and Renegades obviously, as they're meant to be composed of different (currently available) boxes, which is fine)
Cataphract wrote: So, is the Elven Union only going to be Forge World or...?
The Elven Union will be the same as the previous plastic teams. They are confirmed as being plastic. There are pictures of the sprues only a few pages back.
Good idea to break the models down into lots of different bits. Allows GW to create new and interesting resin add ons, meaning a single sprue can be modded to represent Elves of any era.
ekwatts wrote: Humans are available in a complete format already. Even if Forgeworld release the booster pack, it would end up costing the same to buy the Plastic Human box + the FW booster as it would to simply buy two human boxes. If you desperately need the completed team it's easily possible for you to do so (as I did).
Assuming booster isn't say...new sculpts with different pose. It's already jarring to have duplicate poses. 4 identical pose? URGH!
Yeah the Human and Orc teams are in need of a booster. Black Orcs and Blitzers have very distinctive poses so having 4 identical ones on a field looks pretty bad.
They did the Skaven booster which is quite nice for giving you 2 additional options for the Gutter Runners and 1 option for a Blitzer.
I bought the Skaven booster and while the models are nice, it looks to me just like they were CADded up, 3D printed then resin cast. You can see the striations from the 3D prints on the resin models and they lack the really sharp detail I'm normally used to seeing on Forge World models. If that's their design process it doesn't seem like a huge deal to just throw together some boosters for the other teams.
I still want to see a Lizardmen team though, most of the other teams I don't mind the 3rd party options or conversions but I feel the Lizardmen could really use a new team.
I would absolutely buy a new Lizardman team, especially if done in the style of the (relatively in comparison to every other sarus sculprlt) recent Carnosaur sculpt. I found a 3rd party one that's okay, but but just isn't as good.
Humans are available in a complete format already. Even if Forgeworld release the booster pack, it would end up costing the same to buy the Plastic Human box + the FW booster as it would to simply buy two human boxes. If you desperately need the completed team it's easily possible for you to do so (as I did).
This isn't a valid criticism. I get it, and I feel the same way, but I don't feel that it's as pressing as releasing the basic plastic boxes for the teams currently listed in the Season books (minus the Underworld and Renegades obviously, as they're meant to be composed of different (currently available) boxes, which is fine)
At first I would agree with you. After a full year, I no longer want more teams. I got a bunch of incomplete teams I can't play with:
-Humans (GW)
-Orcs (GW)
-Humans (FW)
-Orcs (FW)
-Goblins (can play but really want more variety with ooligan, doom diver and pogoer, also 2nd troll would be nice)
Having 4 mono-pose blitzers, catchers, black orcs is not an option, then I'd rather get some 3rd party minis instead.
If your teams are still incomplete, you have only yourself to blame. You should be able to complete all the currently released teams, albeit with a second purchase either from GW, FW, or bits sellers on eBay.
But I do wish they'd release more teams so my friends can update their models. Some more staff (cheerleaders, coaches, etc) would be nice, too.
Breotan wrote: If your teams are still incomplete, you have only yourself to blame. You should be able to complete all the currently released teams, albeit with a second purchase either from GW, FW, or bits sellers on eBay.
Again we're talking specifically about Humans and Orcs here, GW have not released new sculpts for Blitzers and Black Orcs so you'll be left with 4 identical poses.
I have no problem with monopose models assuming there's a range of poses.
Skaven are fine, FW released the booster pack that gives you extra poses for the Gutter Runners.
You could go 3rd party but I don't think anyone makes models of the same aesthetic.
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Deadawake1347 wrote: I would absolutely buy a new Lizardman team, especially if done in the style of the (relatively in comparison to every other sarus sculprlt) recent Carnosaur sculpt. I found a 3rd party one that's okay, but but just isn't as good.
Yeah the Star Player Lizardmen look nice but they are...
1. Insanely expensive, they're 2 to 3 times the price of a GW team even when you take into account the Kroxigor. You can add shipping to that because GW teams most people can get without paying for shipping but the Star Player ones you only get free shipping if you're both in Europe and spending over 120 euro.
2. They're tiny. They look good but when you see them on the website those are 25mm bases they're mounted on and they still look small on them.
Breotan wrote: If your teams are still incomplete, you have only yourself to blame. You should be able to complete all the currently released teams, albeit with a second purchase either from GW, FW, or bits sellers on eBay.
Again we're talking specifically about Humans and Orcs here, GW have not released new sculpts for Blitzers and Black Orcs so you'll be left with 4 identical poses.
I'm not sure how to reply to this. Yes, there is duplication of poses in the plastic sets. However there has ALWAYS been this type of duplication. Go back to the 3rd Edition box and you'll see one pose for the catcher, one for the thrower, one for your blitzer, and usually only one or two for your linemen. This was the same with both the humans and orcs that came in the box. The metal teams were little better with regards to variety. Eventually you'd see something in a blister but those were usually expensive for what you got.
Yes, there is a lot of duplicate poses in Blood Bowl. There's really only one way to deal with it, do what people back in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd editions had to do - learn to convert. I don't know what else to tell you.
Deadawake1347 wrote: I would absolutely buy a new Lizardman team, especially if done in the style of the (relatively in comparison to every other sarus sculprlt) recent Carnosaur sculpt. I found a 3rd party one that's okay, but but just isn't as good.
Yeah the Star Player Lizardmen look nice but they are...
1. Insanely expensive, they're 2 to 3 times the price of a GW team even when you take into account the Kroxigor. You can add shipping to that because GW teams most people can get without paying for shipping but the Star Player ones you only get free shipping if you're both in Europe and spending over 120 euro.
2. They're tiny. They look good but when you see them on the website those are 25mm bases they're mounted on and they still look small on them.
Hah! Those were actually exactly the ones I was looking at, and you're absolutely right on both accounts. Honestly I'd just convert my own, but the current Saurus range looks terrible, aside from the one from the Carnosaur box. I'd settle for three sculpts of each Saurus and Skink players. Sure you'd end up with duplicates... But who cares when the next best option has the Saurus the same size or smaller than the human team? I would much, much rather them get all the teams out there and then go back and make alternate sculpts, rather than have some teams just left out.
Breotan wrote: If your teams are still incomplete, you have only yourself to blame. You should be able to complete all the currently released teams, albeit with a second purchase either from GW, FW, or bits sellers on eBay.
Again we're talking specifically about Humans and Orcs here, GW have not released new sculpts for Blitzers and Black Orcs so you'll be left with 4 identical poses.
I'm not sure how to reply to this. Yes, there is duplication of poses in the plastic sets. However there has ALWAYS been this type of duplication. Go back to the 3rd Edition box and you'll see one pose for the catcher, one for the thrower, one for your blitzer, and usually only one or two for your linemen. This was the same with both the humans and orcs that came in the box. The metal teams were little better with regards to variety. Eventually you'd see something in a blister but those were usually expensive for what you got.
Yes, there is a lot of duplicate poses in Blood Bowl. There's really only one way to deal with it, do what people back in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd editions had to do - learn to convert. I don't know what else to tell you.
This.
On my human team all my blitzers look different due to some having bare heads, a few minor hand swaps and differing skintones.
Breotan wrote: If your teams are still incomplete, you have only yourself to blame. You should be able to complete all the currently released teams, albeit with a second purchase either from GW, FW, or bits sellers on eBay.
Again we're talking specifically about Humans and Orcs here, GW have not released new sculpts for Blitzers and Black Orcs so you'll be left with 4 identical poses.
I'm not sure how to reply to this. Yes, there is duplication of poses in the plastic sets. However there has ALWAYS been this type of duplication. Go back to the 3rd Edition box and you'll see one pose for the catcher, one for the thrower, one for your blitzer, and usually only one or two for your linemen. This was the same with both the humans and orcs that came in the box. The metal teams were little better with regards to variety. Eventually you'd see something in a blister but those were usually expensive for what you got.
We aren't living in the mid 90's anymore. I remember playing games against armies of Space Marines made up of the exact same identical post. What was acceptable back then isn't quite so much anymore.
Yes, there is a lot of duplicate poses in Blood Bowl. There's really only one way to deal with it, do what people back in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd editions had to do - learn to convert. I don't know what else to tell you.
Dude, anything can be converted. GW don't have to release anything at all because any team can be converted.
You said you wished they'd release more teams so your friends can update your models.... tell your friends to learn to convert.
I'd rather they put some effort in to fill out the teams they've already released.
Deadawake1347 wrote: I would absolutely buy a new Lizardman team, especially if done in the style of the (relatively in comparison to every other sarus sculprlt) recent Carnosaur sculpt. I found a 3rd party one that's okay, but but just isn't as good.
Yeah the Star Player Lizardmen look nice but they are...
1. Insanely expensive, they're 2 to 3 times the price of a GW team even when you take into account the Kroxigor. You can add shipping to that because GW teams most people can get without paying for shipping but the Star Player ones you only get free shipping if you're both in Europe and spending over 120 euro.
2. They're tiny. They look good but when you see them on the website those are 25mm bases they're mounted on and they still look small on them.
Hah! Those were actually exactly the ones I was looking at, and you're absolutely right on both accounts. Honestly I'd just convert my own, but the current Saurus range looks terrible, aside from the one from the Carnosaur box. I'd settle for three sculpts of each Saurus and Skink players. Sure you'd end up with duplicates... But who cares when the next best option has the Saurus the same size or smaller than the human team? I would much, much rather them get all the teams out there and then go back and make alternate sculpts, rather than have some teams just left out.
Yeah, I converted some from the existing Saurus and Skink models. There's some pics in my gallery if you want to see how they turned out...
The Skinks are fine but the Saurus models both have bad and hard to modify poses and are way too weedy.
It was kind of a rush job conversion, threw them together to play a game against a mate but I'm holding out hope that they release a team down the track so I didn't put a huge amount of effort in to them.
Lizardmen are one team I really want GW to release because of the fact they are one of the hard ones to convert well. Most the other teams I reckon you can convert reasonably so from the existing WHFB/40k ranges.
On my human team all my blitzers look different due to some having bare heads, a few minor hand swaps and differing skintones.
A problem with the human team in general is all the models look way too similar. The Orc team isn't too bad, but the humans they chose basically the same pose for all the linemen and blitzers. Of the teams GW has done so far the humans are probably my least favourite.
You said you wished they'd release more teams so your friends can update your models.... tell your friends to learn to convert.
I'd rather they put some effort in to fill out the teams they've already released.
I'm sorry, but this is obnoxious. I started a league with seven of my friends, six of whom have never painted or assembled a mini before.
Not everyone is ready to blow a ton of money to sit and cut and glue for hours afterwards.
New teams are a huge deal and entry point and I'm glad GW recognizes this.
Deadawake1347 wrote: I would absolutely buy a new Lizardman team, especially if done in the style of the (relatively in comparison to every other sarus sculprlt) recent Carnosaur sculpt. I found a 3rd party one that's okay, but but just isn't as good.
Yeah the Star Player Lizardmen look nice but they are...
1. Insanely expensive, they're 2 to 3 times the price of a GW team even when you take into account the Kroxigor. You can add shipping to that because GW teams most people can get without paying for shipping but the Star Player ones you only get free shipping if you're both in Europe and spending over 120 euro.
2. They're tiny. They look good but when you see them on the website those are 25mm bases they're mounted on and they still look small on them.
Hah! Those were actually exactly the ones I was looking at, and you're absolutely right on both accounts. Honestly I'd just convert my own, but the current Saurus range looks terrible, aside from the one from the Carnosaur box. I'd settle for three sculpts of each Saurus and Skink players. Sure you'd end up with duplicates... But who cares when the next best option has the Saurus the same size or smaller than the human team? I would much, much rather them get all the teams out there and then go back and make alternate sculpts, rather than have some teams just left out.
I was able to grab a Lizardman team (inc. Krox) when they went up on Made to Order. While I don't mind small Skinks - they are Stunty after all - the Saurus are the same size or smaller than the new Human team, which is a little worrying...
You said you wished they'd release more teams so your friends can update your models.... tell your friends to learn to convert.
I'd rather they put some effort in to fill out the teams they've already released.
I'm sorry, but this is obnoxious. I started a league with seven of my friends, six of whom have never painted or assembled a mini before. Not everyone is ready to blow a ton of money to sit and cut and glue for hours afterwards.
New teams are a huge deal and entry point and I'm glad GW recognizes this.
I'm glad you noticed it was obnoxious, it was intentionally supposed to be because the poster I was quoting said to me...
Breotan wrote: ....learn to convert. I don't know what else to tell you.
Obviously anything can be converted! It's just personally I'd like to see them fill out existing teams rather than venture in to further teams when most other teams can actually be converted reasonably easily.
But realistically it's unlikely that new teams (mass produced plastic kits by GW) use the same resources as booster packs (resin kits from FW).
I think booster packs probably consume very little of GW's manpower, given I have bought the FW Skaven booster I can see it was just recast straight off a 3D print, whereas plastic models need to have a whole metal mould machined which is a more expensive and manpower consuming process.
Either way GW aren't releasing new teams at a tremendous rate. If you want to get your friends in to the game I suggest you tell them to start one of the existing teams or buy a 3rd party team. Good 3rd party options exist for several teams, and other teams aren't hard to convert from existing GW models. Lizardmen are one of the few I think have pretty poor options so I'd love for GW to fill that hole.
Deadawake1347 wrote: I would absolutely buy a new Lizardman team, especially if done in the style of the (relatively in comparison to every other sarus sculprlt) recent Carnosaur sculpt. I found a 3rd party one that's okay, but but just isn't as good.
Yeah the Star Player Lizardmen look nice but they are...
1. Insanely expensive, they're 2 to 3 times the price of a GW team even when you take into account the Kroxigor. You can add shipping to that because GW teams most people can get without paying for shipping but the Star Player ones you only get free shipping if you're both in Europe and spending over 120 euro.
2. They're tiny. They look good but when you see them on the website those are 25mm bases they're mounted on and they still look small on them.
Hah! Those were actually exactly the ones I was looking at, and you're absolutely right on both accounts. Honestly I'd just convert my own, but the current Saurus range looks terrible, aside from the one from the Carnosaur box. I'd settle for three sculpts of each Saurus and Skink players. Sure you'd end up with duplicates... But who cares when the next best option has the Saurus the same size or smaller than the human team? I would much, much rather them get all the teams out there and then go back and make alternate sculpts, rather than have some teams just left out.
I was able to grab a Lizardman team (inc. Krox) when they went up on Made to Order. While I don't mind small Skinks - they are Stunty after all - the Saurus are the same size or smaller than the new Human team, which is a little worrying...
I was never overly impressed with GW's attempt at Blood Bowl Lizardmen and they haven't aged well IMO. If you play the BB video game the Lizardmen look awesome, if GW released a Lizard team with the same aesthetic I'd be all over it.
Rayvon wrote: Not a fan of the elves being nine pieces each, we go from almost mono pose to this........
I will pass, I hope that the WE and High elves will be easier to assemble when they eventually arrive in a few years time.
I'm wondering if they're 9 pieces but still designed to be monopose because the team picture we've seen has poses that are clearly just duplicates with head swaps.
So it might be like some other multi-part but mono-pose models we've seen where the parts are keyed to fit together in a specific way.
Rayvon wrote: Not a fan of the elves being nine pieces each, we go from almost mono pose to this........
I will pass, I hope that the WE and High elves will be easier to assemble when they eventually arrive in a few years time.
I'm wondering if they're 9 pieces but still designed to be monopose because the team picture we've seen has poses that are clearly just duplicates with head swaps.
So it might be like some other multi-part but mono-pose models we've seen where the parts are keyed to fit together in a specific way.
I mean, they did say that the 'big deal' with regards to these is the modular face masks.
Rayvon wrote: Not a fan of the elves being nine pieces each, we go from almost mono pose to this........
I will pass, I hope that the WE and High elves will be easier to assemble when they eventually arrive in a few years time.
I'm wondering if they're 9 pieces but still designed to be monopose because the team picture we've seen has poses that are clearly just duplicates with head swaps.
So it might be like some other multi-part but mono-pose models we've seen where the parts are keyed to fit together in a specific way.
Maybe future proofing for add-on bits from FW to make it easier to sell n+1 upgrade packs?
AllSeeingSkink wrote: I'm glad you noticed it was obnoxious, it was intentionally supposed to be because the poster I was quoting said to me...
Breotan wrote: ....learn to convert. I don't know what else to tell you.
Obviously anything can be converted! It's just personally I'd like to see them fill out existing teams rather than venture in to further teams when most other teams can actually be converted reasonably easily.
But realistically it's unlikely that new teams (mass produced plastic kits by GW) use the same resources as booster packs (resin kits from FW).
I think booster packs probably consume very little of GW's manpower, given I have bought the FW Skaven booster I can see it was just recast straight off a 3D print, whereas plastic models need to have a whole metal mould machined which is a more expensive and manpower consuming process.
Either way GW aren't releasing new teams at a tremendous rate. If you want to get your friends in to the game I suggest you tell them to start one of the existing teams or buy a 3rd party team. Good 3rd party options exist for several teams, and other teams aren't hard to convert from existing GW models. Lizardmen are one of the few I think have pretty poor options so I'd love for GW to fill that hole.
Sorry for attacking you, but I know for a fact from the experience of my friends that both those positions are limiting for new players. Converting is hard for new people and expensive. Buying 80-100 EUR third-party teams is even worse (vs about 20 EUR from online retailers). We went with what we had, with experienced guys picking more expensive teams and converting, while the newbies got the GW boxed sets. But we've had a number of people that said "I'll wait for any type of undead", for example.
Having new customers should be important for GW, because any new customer also buys paints, brushes etc. Selling booster packs does not do that. That seems to be a sensible business strategy.
Once per quarter is better than none. As for resources devoted to production - that's more of a question for FW, as you've said, GW's people are probably doing other things (like producing new teams).
Breotan wrote: If your teams are still incomplete, you have only yourself to blame. You should be able to complete all the currently released teams, albeit with a second purchase either from GW, FW, or bits sellers on eBay.
Again we're talking specifically about Humans and Orcs here, GW have not released new sculpts for Blitzers and Black Orcs so you'll be left with 4 identical poses.
I'm not sure how to reply to this. Yes, there is duplication of poses in the plastic sets. However there has ALWAYS been this type of duplication. Go back to the 3rd Edition box and you'll see one pose for the catcher, one for the thrower, one for your blitzer, and usually only one or two for your linemen. This was the same with both the humans and orcs that came in the box. The metal teams were little better with regards to variety. Eventually you'd see something in a blister but those were usually expensive for what you got.
Yes, there is a lot of duplicate poses in Blood Bowl. There's really only one way to deal with it, do what people back in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd editions had to do - learn to convert. I don't know what else to tell you.
Sure, share pics of your converted models? Let's see how great they look. Maybe there's an even better option than what you're proposing (and my inspiration): complain publicly in the hope that something gets done. Look at Skaven. Did you convert those, or did you pay for the booster pack?
Are you telling me to buy a 4 teams extra now to make some sub-par conversions, then looking at GW/FW releasing superb booster packs for the same models? Is that really your suggestion?
Baxx wrote: Are you telling me to buy a 4 teams extra now to make some sub-par conversions, then looking at GW/FW releasing superb booster packs for the same models? Is that really your suggestion?
AllSeeingSkink wrote: I'm wondering if they're 9 pieces but still designed to be monopose because the team picture we've seen has poses that are clearly just duplicates with head swaps.
So it might be like some other multi-part but mono-pose models we've seen where the parts are keyed to fit together in a specific way.
Maybe future proofing for add-on bits from FW to make it easier to sell n+1 upgrade packs?
I think you folks could be right, the ones we have seen already are so similar, there are probably so many parts so they can make, heads, shoulders and other padded parts via the upgrade packs.
I was a little hung over when I posted before, never really thought about it !
I think they’re going with booster packs for Dark Elves, high elves and wood elves to capture assassins, witches, war dancers and the like. Throw in a tree man stand alone and there you have it. Not saying I like the approach, just saying I think that’s what they’ll do.
As someone who has already bought Season One and Season Two, how pissed should I be about the Almanac containing stuff from those two books, as well as material from White Dwarf? More information would've been appreciated, GW!
From what I've heard the Almanac will feature EVERYTHING that has been released so far for Blood Bowl, meaning both season books, all WD articles and even the rules included with the pitches (weather tables or something?).
So it isn't just the two season books, it's the White Dwarfs too. I like it as this is basically how it used to be in ye olde times; back in 2nd edition the Compendium book and the Star Players book were basically collections of things that had already been released, sometimes straight reprints or with some additional editing, errata and modification or so. Back then, I had all the White Dwarfs too, but I still bought the collected books. This time round, I have both season books and the White Dwarfs but I'll still buy the Almanac. It's fine. If you don't think you need it, don't buy it. You'll survive.
If that cover does in fact mean that Lizardmen will be getting a plastic team sooner rather than later... They'll finally get a decent chunk of my money.
Accompanying the Elfheim Eagles is a range of accessories designed to make managing your Blood Bowl team simple, including team cards. These are can be used to track special plays, players and skills gained during tournaments, and are a great way to avoid any mucking around with notepads and bits of scrap paper during your games.
Fugazi wrote: Can someone explain the team cards to me?
From their site:
Accompanying the Elfheim Eagles is a range of accessories designed to make managing your Blood Bowl team simple, including team cards. These are can be used to track special plays, players and skills gained during tournaments, and are a great way to avoid any mucking around with notepads and bits of scrap paper during your games.
So...they're...blank cards?
I'm not the best person to answer this, but yes, I think they are blank cards that you can use to write down player's info and still have it in handy card-format instead of having another form of media on the table.
I think that some lamination and some map pens will make the cards give their biggest return.
Some sort of base addition just in case you and your opponent have similarly painted teams. I guess they could also help show which models have advancements in not matching games to make it easier for your opponent.
I can't find the post right now, but I believe it was stated that the yellow rings are "action markers" so that you can mark which have already been activated/used.
Could also be used for statuses, like down or stunned? I understand that a bunch of folk have wanted those as an alternative to knocking over their nicely painted models…
I can't find the post right now, but I believe it was stated that the yellow rings are "action markers" so that you can mark which have already been activated/used.
I thought they were called "skill bands" but I also can't find them now, were they removed from the Warhammer Community post? I could have sworn they were on this page...
I heard that they were skills bands as well, but they only showed yellow... which is a bit unhelpful.
The cards were very interesting at first... but less so as I find out more about them.
Alminac is hit or miss for me... if it has everything published so far, than I might pick it up. I have Season 1, but nothing tempted me to buy Season 2 yet.
"These handy orange rubber rings can be wrapped around a model's base to mark it out - perhaps to shot that the player has fallen flat on their face (without risking your magnificent paint job) or perhaps to indicate a particular state they're in. There's six orange rubbber rings in a pack and they're designed to fit onto 32mm bases."
So, basically a single color, overpriced loom band set.
There is a double-sided Goblin pitch together with the Winter pitch and some more in a two-page BB ad in the new WD. Not sure if the former was already available.
Fugazi wrote: Can someone explain the team cards to me?
From their site:
Accompanying the Elfheim Eagles is a range of accessories designed to make managing your Blood Bowl team simple, including team cards. These are can be used to track special plays, players and skills gained during tournaments, and are a great way to avoid any mucking around with notepads and bits of scrap paper during your games.
So...they're...blank cards?
In addition to blank cards and reference cards, the team packs include:
Elf: - The following 5 Special Play Random Events cards: Enjoy your trip?, Ref's Favourite, Martial Training, Enforcer and Quick Thinking;
- The following 5 Special Play Miscellaneous Mayhem cards: Luckstone, The Phoenix, Keep it Moving, Technicality and Stubborn Determination;
Human: - 8 Special Play cards: Mercenary Meteormancer, Experimental Footgear, The Protegé, Bad Burger, Rowdy Wizard, Hungry Griffon, Steelhelm's Sporting Tonic, The Latest Techniques.
Orc: - 5 Special Play cards: Spear Chukka, Shamanic Ju Ju, Unforgiving Fans, Fungus Brew, Squigeon Away;
Listen to the warhammer live interview the other day. Nurgle is coming soon but not next. Lizardmen are still a way off. The next team will be 'surprising'. The almanac is not just a reprint of one and two but has a few things tidied up. It will include the FAQs that have been released so far as well as the white dwarf stuff.
The next team will be something surprising eh? Well what counts as surprising. I suppose chaos dwarfs, brets, amazons, vampires, Ogres, khemri and norse would fit. That is a lot of options though, BB really does have some unique teams to choose from. I'm kind of hoping it's not khemri or ogres though...i'd rather see them towards the end.
At £30 the Almanac is quite good. It's cheaper than both Death Zones together, hardback, and includes all of the White Dwarf stuff AND minor corrections and streamlining.
Excellent for anyone who hasn't already bought the material previously, but I'll still be picking one up for the fact that it's hardback alone.
I know people have complained (because what else would they do?) but this really is how "old GW" used to operate. Issue new rules via the magazines and then scoop it all up with some errata (or not!) for a collected edition. Welcome to every Compendium that came out between 1984 and 1992!
Some sort of base addition just in case you and your opponent have similarly painted teams. I guess they could also help show which models have advancements in not matching games to make it easier for your opponent.
Somebody really runs into that issue? I find that even if I use similar paint scheme painting styles are always so different that I can always spot my models from others.
Maybe it becomes more of issue with higher level painters?
Still not that it's bad idea as such. I would use it to separate identical pose guys though. "The one with yellow ring is my ace blizer"
Some sort of base addition just in case you and your opponent have similarly painted teams. I guess they could also help show which models have advancements in not matching games to make it easier for your opponent.
Somebody really runs into that issue? I find that even if I use similar paint scheme painting styles are always so different that I can always spot my models from others.
Maybe it becomes more of issue with higher level painters?
Still not that it's bad idea as such. I would use it to separate identical pose guys though. "The one with yellow ring is my ace blizer"
I’ve run into it with my Orcs. Orcs wearing red armor...who knew it would be a common theme . But also people starting off with unpainted teams would wind up in a similar position. Our old league 10+ years ago we had 6-7 people start up and bought their own sets. They played a few games befor painting up the teams they got, so bare plastic versus bare plastic. But most likely they are used for the advanced players.
Are the team specific cards able to be used by other teams? The rules as our league understands them has both players drawing from the same deck(s) of cards at the beginning of the game. If a human coach draws an elf card, do they use it as normal?
Mr_Rose wrote: Could also be used for statuses, like down or stunned? I understand that a bunch of folk have wanted those as an alternative to knocking over their nicely painted models…
Yes so very much!
No fun re-painting an entire team's noses after a tournament.
Mr_Rose wrote: Could also be used for statuses, like down or stunned? I understand that a bunch of folk have wanted those as an alternative to knocking over their nicely painted models…
Yes so very much!
No fun re-painting an entire team's noses after a tournament.
I don't think it's a great option though because it involves more handling of the model; you have to pick the model up and fit the band around it. With the tiny attachment points of the FW resin Skaven models I'd be more worried about snapping the bastards off their base while trying to put a band around them.
If you're trying to reduce potential model damage I think the best way is with some sort of U shaped counter that fits around the base without having to actually pick up the model.
Personally I bought a neoprene pitch to save my paint jobs. This makes the most sense to me and I'm surprised GW haven't invested more in making more neoprene pitches, instead they're just going hard on the cardboard ones which are more likely to damage models and also more likely to get damaged themselves (I've barely used my cardboard BB pitch and the paint is already wearing off on the fold lines).
When you say it like that and think about the FW resin and Skaven... no way to use rubber! You're absolutely right. Those things break just if you look at them for too long.
It's not terrible resin compared to other resin. More delicate than plastic though, which is compounded by the fact many of the FW BB models are standing on the toes of 1 foot.
They’ll dedicate resources to the halfling team instead of doing chaos, nurgle, Norse, dark elf or other competitive. (Chaos Dwarf please). It could work if there’s a tree an on the sprue.
They’ll dedicate resources to the halfling team instead of doing chaos, nurgle, Norse, dark elf or other competitive. (Chaos Dwarf please). It could work if there’s a tree an on the sprue.
If the next team is halflings, I'll die in ecstasy. I'll probably buy a couple of dozens.
They’ll dedicate resources to the halfling team instead of doing chaos, nurgle, Norse, dark elf or other competitive. (Chaos Dwarf please). It could work if there’s a tree an on the sprue.
Two treemen in a starting set? Seems a bit unlikely unless they can come up with a design such that you can build one treeman from two identical sets of parts.
If new Lizardmen came out with the same aesthetic as the video game I'd buy like 3 of them. If they were easily convertible to Warhammer models then I'd get like 10 of them so I could convert them in to Saurus regiments.
Saurus are so awesome but the models are so stale and weedy.
If GW aren't going to be doing Lizardmen any time soon, I'm thinking converting some from Kings of War's Salamander regiment might be a way to go. The KoW Salamanders have the bulk that Saurus Warriors should have but the GW Saurus really lack.
It's less the bulk that concerns me(although they could do with being a wee bit heftier) it's the abysmal derpfaces of the old plastics that I can't stand. I'm trying to resculpt them myself in the new style for Mordheim models but it's a huge pain and plundering some new BB plastics would be a lot easier
If they're going for a "surprise" team next (which some have interpreted as being one not in the current DZ books) then I'd take a punt at Lizards, if only because of the Almanac cover.
Nurgle is too obvious because we know they're coming and they've just released an elf team (the cynic in me suggests they'll wait until people have bought the Elven Union team + other kits to do conversions for the other varieties of pointy ears before releasing 'official' models). The others in the DZ books are kinda possible already.
Hopefully now they've got a better gauge of the popularity, the release schedule is ramped up a bit (one team a quarter isn't awful if it's backed up by the odd star player/team upgrade kit direct from FW).
Personally I want Dark Elves, Wood Elves and Norse but they'll probably drop a bloody Stormcast team on us then sit back, engage moustache twirling mode and reap the rewards of the chaos they've caused.
Out of interest, shouldn't the same "game has been released now, post in the specialist game forums" rule apply to this thread as well, ala the Necromunda one?
Groundh0g wrote: Out of interest, shouldn't the same "game has been released now, post in the specialist game forums" rule apply to this thread as well, ala the Necromunda one?
I agree with your point on inconsistency. But strongly disagree with shutting down good discussion about this game. There just is no other substitute thread for discussion all things Blood Bowl/Necromunda. Not with this kind of activity. Also both games will constantly receive news and big changes for many months ahead.
This thread has had far fewer tedious arguments which keep going round and round without any sign of stopping even when the mosts ask (nicely then not so nicely)
I agree with your point on inconsistency. But strongly disagree with shutting down good discussion about this game. There just is no other substitute thread for discussion all things Blood Bowl/Necromunda. Not with this kind of activity. Also both games will constantly receive news and big changes for many months ahead.
I'm with you - both should be ongoing threads, given how few people probably look in the specialist games section. These are both current GW releases with more stuff to be rolling out over the coming months. It's like expecting every other non-40k/AoS games news thread to be limited to the 'Misc. Other Miniature Games' section...
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: This thread has had far fewer tedious arguments which keep going round and round without any sign of stopping even when the mosts ask (nicely then not so nicely)
That wasn't the reason given for shutting the Necromunda thread though. Either the release of the game-proper is the end of the N&R thread despite known upcoming releases, or it isn't - if rules aren't applied equally they're not actually rules.
Groundh0g wrote: Out of interest, shouldn't the same "game has been released now, post in the specialist game forums" rule apply to this thread as well, ala the Necromunda one?
No, because we're discussing news and rumours of future releases (upcoming elves, upcoming almanac, rumours about the next team and so on).
We also have more specific BB threads in the specialist gaming forum to deal with stuff that isn't quite so news and rumours related.
I wasn't following the Necromunda thread but maybe it just drifted off topic and there was no current relevant news to discuss? This BB thread tends to die out a few days after new news and rumours then comes back when more news and rumours pops up.
I'm sure if new news comes out for Necromunda the mods would be happy enough to start a new thread here or unlock the old one as well.
Two treemen in a starting set? Seems a bit unlikely unless they can come up with a design such that you can build one treeman from two identical sets of parts.
Andy did mention they might think of a way to improve Halfling options, like positionals. They already released goblins for Bloodbowl who need 2 trolls and forgeworld special weapons to make a team, so an all lineman halfling box is possible (but maybe unlikely). Maybe then the surprise is an existing team/faction with changes, like halflings with runners or catchers or cooks or something
More news are arriving weekly or monthly for both Necromunda and Blood Bowl and is guaranteed to do so for many months if not years ahead.
Sure both threads have had some off-topic, sharing ideas and opinions about the game itself or some of the news.
For Blood Bowl, there hasn't been news all autumn. For Necromunda, there will be about the same amount of news that Blood Bowl had the same time last year.
Groundh0g wrote: Out of interest, shouldn't the same "game has been released now, post in the specialist game forums" rule apply to this thread as well, ala the Necromunda one?
No, because we're discussing news and rumours of future releases (upcoming elves, upcoming almanac, rumours about the next team and so on).
We also have more specific BB threads in the specialist gaming forum to deal with stuff that isn't quite so news and rumours related.
I wasn't following the Necromunda thread but maybe it just drifted off topic and there was no current relevant news to discuss? This BB thread tends to die out a few days after new news and rumours then comes back when more news and rumours pops up.
I'm sure if new news comes out for Necromunda the mods would be happy enough to start a new thread here or unlock the old one as well.
What you said about Blood Bowl applies to Necromunda, except I would imagine there'll be significant more news for Necromunda over the next 6 months than Blood Bowl, after which it will probably die down a little bit if Blood Bowl is any indication.
Point is, both games have as valid a reason as each other to have active threads in the news & rumours forum. IMO both should be unlocked and places to post news and rumours etc., but it should be consistent either way.
Groundh0g wrote: Out of interest, shouldn't the same "game has been released now, post in the specialist game forums" rule apply to this thread as well, ala the Necromunda one?
No, because we're discussing news and rumours of future releases (upcoming elves, upcoming almanac, rumours about the next team and so on).
We also have more specific BB threads in the specialist gaming forum to deal with stuff that isn't quite so news and rumours related.
I wasn't following the Necromunda thread but maybe it just drifted off topic and there was no current relevant news to discuss? This BB thread tends to die out a few days after new news and rumours then comes back when more news and rumours pops up.
I'm sure if new news comes out for Necromunda the mods would be happy enough to start a new thread here or unlock the old one as well.
What you said about Blood Bowl applies to Necromunda, except I would imagine there'll be significant more news for Necromunda over the next 6 months than Blood Bowl, after which it will probably die down a little bit if Blood Bowl is any indication.
Point is, both games have as valid a reason as each other to have active threads in the news & rumours forum. IMO both should be unlocked and places to post news and rumours etc., but it should be consistent either way.
Sure, we just had a very informative look at Necromunda's future on twitch. With pages from the new gang war book and other little snippets.
Groundh0g wrote: Out of interest, shouldn't the same "game has been released now, post in the specialist game forums" rule apply to this thread as well, ala the Necromunda one?
No, because we're discussing news and rumours of future releases (upcoming elves, upcoming almanac, rumours about the next team and so on).
We also have more specific BB threads in the specialist gaming forum to deal with stuff that isn't quite so news and rumours related.
I wasn't following the Necromunda thread but maybe it just drifted off topic and there was no current relevant news to discuss? This BB thread tends to die out a few days after new news and rumours then comes back when more news and rumours pops up.
I'm sure if new news comes out for Necromunda the mods would be happy enough to start a new thread here or unlock the old one as well.
What you said about Blood Bowl applies to Necromunda, except I would imagine there'll be significant more news for Necromunda over the next 6 months than Blood Bowl, after which it will probably die down a little bit if Blood Bowl is any indication.
Point is, both games have as valid a reason as each other to have active threads in the news & rumours forum. IMO both should be unlocked and places to post news and rumours etc., but it should be consistent either way.
Sure, we just had a very informative look at Necromunda's future on twitch. With pages from the new gang war book and other little snippets.
Silly that the thread is locked.
WHat is silly is the stupidity that got it locked. Please stop thread jacking this thread with complaints about the other thread being locked or this one will get shut down too.
We just had a peak at the elves which is keeping This going, maybe when more stuff comes out for Necromunda a new thread will start up and it can stay focused.
Let the MODs Moderate the threads, if you think you can’t do better then send Yakface a resume.
Anyway, in Blood Bowl news: can confirm that the special play cards in the team card sets are both unique and generic. There is no reason any team couldn’t use them, apart from not having them of course.
The rest of the card sets are mostly blank and should be enough to get you through a season or two of casualties assuming you use pen instead of pencil.
Also the free rings only need to stretch a little to fit over a 32mm base and will be snug but not tight enough that removal risks damaging your models.
So go complain to the mods or make a thread in nuts and bolts about it, it's completely off topic for this thread.
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Mr_Rose wrote: Also the free rings only need to stretch a little to fit over a 32mm base and will be snug but not tight enough that removal risks damaging your models.
Good to know. I still don't think they're a great idea though
I don't see the player cards as an improvement over the roster. Sure they're great for intro games for new players (the ones who are filled out standard). But does it help having 11+ cards in front of you during a game instead of a single sheet of paper?
Baxx wrote: But does it help having 11+ cards in front of you during a game instead of a single sheet of paper?
Sure it's stupid, but have you missed the last 5 years of X-Wing & Co. It's what people want.
Have you heard of the concept that correlation is not causation? By far the most complained about aspect of X-Wing and similar games is the cards - chiefly the business model surrounding them, but also having to fanny about deckbuilding and sleeving them and trying not to lose any(or have them "walk off") at events. Some folk like deckbuilding, so for them it's no big deal, and plenty of folk like the combination of the license, cool prepainted models, and core gameplay loop enough to overlook their objections, but I'd wager that a version of X-Wing that just had all the card-based stuff in a rulebook with rules for "army building" a set of ships on a roster sheet would be doing just fine for itself.
Modern doesn't automatically equal superior, and difference in and of itself is not a virtue.
Blood Bowl cards are not the same as MTG, X-Wing or Shadespire if we are talking about the stat cards.
They are just the individual model stats, so they have come from similar development as Necromunda or the unit cards in 40k or AoS.
Ive bought them as I find it quicker to check individual cards than try and find individual players on small lines on a roster and ensure im getting the right stats or skills for them. I know there are lots of players out there who know their teams off by heart or enough they dont need to check the sheets often, but for me the small outlay for the cards (and bonus special play cards) is worth it.
Has anyone heard rumour of other team cards due soon?
I haven't tested the new Necromunda stat cards, but I plan on making a roster to replace them (I think old GorkaMorka rosters could track additional info like weapon upgrades).
For me, having everything nicely summarized in one list is just the fastest way to look up information. I don't think stat cards will cause a problem, but I remember from playing Warmachine that even less than 11 cards (and smaller size) could still clog up the board.
I bought the team cards cause I'm interesting in trying it, also got the sleeves. But how is it supposed to work to write your level-ups and injuries on those cards? For Warmachine, it was really useful to track damage on cards during the course of a game. Simply use a white-board marker, wipe it all off after a game. If you forget to wipe it off, the ink is harder to wipe off (requires moist and/or more focus). Not sure how this is supposed to work in a campaign system where you need to retain info between games.
Baxx wrote: I haven't tested the new Necromunda stat cards, but I plan on making a roster to replace them (I think old GorkaMorka rosters could track additional info like weapon upgrades).
For me, having everything nicely summarized in one list is just the fastest way to look up information. I don't think stat cards will cause a problem, but I remember from playing Warmachine that even less than 11 cards (and smaller size) could still clog up the board.
I bought the team cards cause I'm interesting in trying it, also got the sleeves. But how is it supposed to work to write your level-ups and injuries on those cards? For Warmachine, it was really useful to track damage on cards during the course of a game. Simply use a white-board marker, wipe it all off after a game. If you forget to wipe it off, the ink is harder to wipe off (requires moist and/or more focus). Not sure how this is supposed to work in a campaign system where you need to retain info between games.
The BB cards can be written on in pencil so they record everything as your players progress (or get injured). Youd only need max of 12 available at a time (11 players on the pitch, 1 team card for team info like fans, coaches or inducements), others can be held in the dugout with the players in there. Generally have enough playing space for 12 cards next to the pitch, if not then can always revert to the roster print out for that game. I use an excel roster sheet for league recording anyway so wont stop using that, just want to use the cards as in game reference and recording.
I've got the Almanac from the store I'm playing a league at (Go Immortals!), and its a pretty book. Totally makes the two desth zone books worthless, though it does seem to correct errors. For example, Papa Skullbones' entry has changed his roll from a d6 (wrong) to a d8 (right).
As for the next team, I say it's Lizardmen, if only because they're the only team featured on the Almanac's front and back cover without released miniatures.
infinite_array wrote: I've got the Almanac from the store I'm playing a league at (Go Immortals!), and its a pretty book. Totally makes the two desth zone books worthless, though it does seem to correct errors. For example, Papa Skullbones' entry has changed his roll from a d6 (wrong) to a d8 (right).
As for the next team, I say it's Lizardmen, if only because they're the only team featured on the Almanac's front and back cover without released miniatures.
Wasn't there a post on the previous page saying Lizardmen wouldn't be next? Yeah, this one....
Chikout wrote: Listen to the warhammer live interview the other day. Nurgle is coming soon but not next. Lizardmen are still a way off. The next team will be 'surprising'.
I haven't listened to the interview myself. I'd love it if Lizardmen were next.
He definitely said lizardmen were a way off because I was hoping they would be the next team and was disappointed. They talked a lot about haflings. One person in the studio is a big fan so it could be them but from the tone if the conversation it sounded like a plan for the future not something already made.
I am assuming it was something he did not mention, so not nurgle, haflings, lizardmen or generic Chaos.
It could be Amazons, Norse, khemri or undead. None of those were talked about.
He talked about having three categories. the teams they need to do (because they already have rules or have been promised) Nurgle is one of these. The teams they want to do like halflings and the teams it would be cool to do if they have time.
With digital sculpting these days, Nurgle would make sense. Presumably GW has (had) a bunch of digi-sculptors working overtime on Nurgle stuff from Dark Imperium all the way to the apparently upcoming Nurgle Daemon stuff. Getting them to knock out a few Nurgle BB players while they're in the zone and have the slime, warts & tentacles design-files open on their desktop anyhow should (I think) be an easy thing to do.
Chikout wrote: He definitely said lizardmen were a way off because I was hoping they would be the next team and was disappointed. They talked a lot about haflings. One person in the studio is a big fan so it could be them but from the tone if the conversation it sounded like a plan for the future not something already made.
I am assuming it was something he did not mention, so not nurgle, haflings, lizardmen or generic Chaos.
It could be Amazons, Norse, khemri or undead. None of those were talked about.
He talked about having three categories. the teams they need to do (because they already have rules or have been promised) Nurgle is one of these. The teams they want to do like halflings and the teams it would be cool to do if they have time.
Amazons need a lot of help. They start off extremely strong in a league but end up falling flap IMO.
Look at the catcher, sure she starts with dodge and catch but the 6 speed and 3 agi hold her back hard core. after a few skill ups she will have block which is nice to keep her up and if you get an M up or agi up its nice but she is still lacking behind even the human catcher and especially an elf catcher.
Shes not wearing any armor, she needs at least another pip of M.
Then the whole team needs a look over the way that the norse got. Give them a big guy (I say a krox) and another positional like the Ulfwereners. Maybe some crazy amazon chick closer to a witch elf or war dancer.
Amazons just get crushed by Dwarves and chaos dwarves from the get go. Tackle kills the dodge skill, and they don’t have stunty like goblins and halflings to give them more of a chance for survival.
I think Chaos might show up, a straight chaos team. Or even a tzeentch one.
Theophony wrote: Amazons just get crushed by Dwarves and chaos dwarves from the get go. Tackle kills the dodge skill, and they don’t have stunty like goblins and halflings to give them more of a chance for survival.
I think Chaos might show up, a straight chaos team. Or even a tzeentch one.
As much as I really, really, really want Lizardmen... I wouldn't mind a Tzeentch one. Especially if it was done in a Tzeentch Arcanites style. As much as I dislike a lot of AoS, the Tzaangors are pretty cool.
Havik110 wrote: Amazons need a lot of help. They start off extremely strong in a league but end up falling flap IMO.
Look at the catcher, sure she starts with dodge and catch but the 6 speed and 3 agi hold her back hard core. after a few skill ups she will have block which is nice to keep her up and if you get an M up or agi up its nice but she is still lacking behind even the human catcher and especially an elf catcher.
Shes not wearing any armor, she needs at least another pip of M.
Then the whole team needs a look over the way that the norse got. Give them a big guy (I say a krox) and another positional like the Ulfwereners. Maybe some crazy amazon chick closer to a witch elf or war dancer.
Pretty sure that match results over thousands of matches have shown that Amazons start out ridiculous, then move up to merely powerful. There's no TV where Amazons are a weak team.
Chaos dwarf and dwarf teams are obviously really poor match-ups for Amazons.
I think the speed and the quality of these releases is going downhill fast, got the almanac today and after reading it, it just seems like a petty money grab, totally invalidates the two books they released this year already and im still using metal teams I bought twenty years ago.
I was so excited when this was released, but it seems that GW are cramming in more releases than they can cope with, I see it being an age before I get any new teams, im tempted to actually buy from another company for the first time ever
and just not play in WW.
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ekwatts wrote: At £30 the Almanac is quite good. It's cheaper than both Death Zones together, hardback, and includes all of the White Dwarf stuff AND minor corrections and streamlining.
Excellent for anyone who hasn't already bought the material previously, but I'll still be picking one up for the fact that it's hardback alone.
I know people have complained (because what else would they do?) but this really is how "old GW" used to operate. Issue new rules via the magazines and then scoop it all up with some errata (or not!) for a collected edition. Welcome to every Compendium that came out between 1984 and 1992!
100% correct unfortunately, I should have known better, they are still robbing bastards.
Aw crap, I never built my Lizardmen team because the plastic Sauri are so weedy. I don't want to repose them *and* sculpt 100 pounds of muscles on each one.
I'd take Chaos or more Nurgle to tide me over, though.
Rayvon wrote: I think the speed and the quality of these releases is going downhill fast, got the almanac today and after reading it, it just seems like a petty money grab, totally invalidates the two books they released this year already and im still using metal teams I bought twenty years ago.
I was so excited when this was released, but it seems that GW are cramming in more releases than they can cope with, I see it being an age before I get any new teams, im tempted to actually buy from another company for the first time ever
and just not play in WW.
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ekwatts wrote: At £30 the Almanac is quite good. It's cheaper than both Death Zones together, hardback, and includes all of the White Dwarf stuff AND minor corrections and streamlining.
Excellent for anyone who hasn't already bought the material previously, but I'll still be picking one up for the fact that it's hardback alone.
I know people have complained (because what else would they do?) but this really is how "old GW" used to operate. Issue new rules via the magazines and then scoop it all up with some errata (or not!) for a collected edition. Welcome to every Compendium that came out between 1984 and 1992!
100% correct unfortunately, I should have known better, they are still robbing bastards.
Do you want them to Not publish additional rules anywhere or never do collected editions?
Rayvon wrote: I think the speed and the quality of these releases is going downhill fast, got the almanac today and after reading it, it just seems like a petty money grab, totally invalidates the two books they released this year already and im still using metal teams I bought twenty years ago.
I was so excited when this was released, but it seems that GW are cramming in more releases than they can cope with, I see it being an age before I get any new teams, im tempted to actually buy from another company for the first time ever
and just not play in WW.
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ekwatts wrote: At £30 the Almanac is quite good. It's cheaper than both Death Zones together, hardback, and includes all of the White Dwarf stuff AND minor corrections and streamlining.
Excellent for anyone who hasn't already bought the material previously, but I'll still be picking one up for the fact that it's hardback alone.
I know people have complained (because what else would they do?) but this really is how "old GW" used to operate. Issue new rules via the magazines and then scoop it all up with some errata (or not!) for a collected edition. Welcome to every Compendium that came out between 1984 and 1992!
100% correct unfortunately, I should have known better, they are still robbing bastards.
Do you want them to Not publish additional rules anywhere or never do collected editions?
I think it's more that folk would prefer they make the "collected editions" the actual product, or at the very least acknowledge in advance they will be coming, rather than dripfeeding content over a long period while being purposefully ambiguous as to whether it will appear again later in a better value format for those willing to wait. But you knew that fine well.
I think it's more that folk would prefer they make the "collected editions" the actual product, or at the very least acknowledge in advance they will be coming, rather than dripfeeding content over a long period while being purposefully ambiguous as to whether it will appear again later in a better value format for those willing to wait. But you knew that fine well.
Yup,
I felt like a little drunken rant as well.
Also having not bought any rules for a while, I almost forgot the speed that GW outdates the books, at least i know never to buy death zone again.
Except this is actually "old GW" practices, from back in what many consider to be the glory days.
Anyone here that remembers Rogue Trader will know what I'm talking about. Additional rules came out in White Dwarfs at (as I remember) £1.50 a month. Let's say you got expanded vehicle rules one month, Harlequins the next and maybe cratered terrain rules the month after that, and so on. After spending your hard-earned £1.50's for twelve or more months, a book would be announced as a collected edition of all those rules. Here's the thing: White Dwarf used to print the rules with hole-punch guides so you could chop those pages out and keep them in a ring binder for yourself. Even better, the collected editions and compendiums tended to be EXACT reprints of the White Dwarf sections, typos and all.
And many of us went out and bought those collected editions simply for the sake of convenience.
And here we are in 2017, still doing the exact same thing.
Thing is, I do get the criticism. It's valid. But equally... who cares? If, like me, you've bought the Death Zones, all the White Dwarfs, and you think the Almanac is a rip off on top of all those additional purchases, it's cool! Just don't buy it. You have the rules already.
If, however, like me, you like the idea of collected hardbacks for convenience sake, then buy it.
Case closed, surely?
As for "business practices" and so on, I just can't be bothered getting into it. If this is now the worst GW behaviour we have to complain about (which amounts to "doing things the exact way they used to do things") then I'll take that. I'll also take the Almanac, too, cheers. And next years'.
And please be clear: Are you saying that there are rule changes in the Almanac that invalidate the rules in the Death Zones? Or are you giving an opinion, in which you think the Almanac makes the purchases we made of the Death Zone series of paperback books "invalid" when we bought them through the last twelve months in which there were no other means of acquiring the additional rules contained within them? Because I'm not sure that makes sense. I have no regret buying the Death Zones.
"I don't personally care about it and they were always this bad and you could just not buy it anyway so shattap" is not an argument, it's an opinion and a statement of the bleeding obvious wielded to silence criticism.
No, it's not the most pressing issue facing mankind, yes, there are still children starving in Africa; but if it's such a minor complaint, why then is it so hard for GW to take the tiny, obvious, equally minor step to solve it? Simply state, in advance, that they'll be putting out a compilation once a given number of mini-publications have been released.
That's a rhetorical question of course, it's self-evident why they don't; simple greed. They know that explicit confirmation will reduce sales of the microcontent.
Regardless, getting people to "stop complaining" will hurt nobody more than GW themselves - I've already chosen not to buy any Necromunda rules content whatsoever until and unless they put out a compilation book of the microcontent due over the next year or so, it wouldn't take many folk choosing likewise to stifle the game's potential somewhat.
I really don't understand what the problem is with the compendium.
I bought all the rules as they came out so I'm not going to buy it. If I was only just buying the new blood bowl now then I would buy it. What's the problem?
Now, if it contained a small amount of significant new material while being 90% reprinted stuff that would be really annoying.
Yodhrin wrote: "I don't personally care about it and they were always this bad and you could just not buy it anyway so shattap" is not an argument, it's an opinion and a statement of the bleeding obvious wielded to silence criticism.
But that's not the argument he made.
What he said was "If you already have the DZ books and the WD articles, then why is this a problem, as you already have the rules from the Almanac?".
Yodhrin wrote: "I don't personally care about it and they were always this bad and you could just not buy it anyway so shattap" is not an argument, it's an opinion and a statement of the bleeding obvious wielded to silence criticism.
But that's not the argument he made.
What he said was "If you already have the DZ books and the WD articles, then why is this a problem, as you already have the rules from the Almanac?".
I think we've given too much attention to what isn't really a big deal, but obviously there's going to be people who only bought those things because they thought they needed them to get the rules and then when the compendium comes out they realise they didn't have to do so.
If you didn't know a compendium was coming I can understand being a bit unhappy now, likewise if GW had of announced "Oh Hi Guys, BTW, all these rules are gonna come out later in a compendium" then they probably wouldn't have sold as many copies of all the drip fed publications.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: I think we've given too much attention to what isn't really a big deal, but obviously there's going to be people who only bought those things because they thought they needed them to get the rules and then when the compendium comes out they realise they didn't have to do so.
If you didn't know a compendium was coming I can understand being a bit unhappy now, likewise if GW had of announced "Oh Hi Guys, BTW, all these rules are gonna come out later in a compendium" then they probably wouldn't have sold as many copies of all the drip fed publications.
I agree, but I also think that I'm going to treat GW rule releases like I do rumours of conversions from FW kits to GW plastic kits.
Heard a whisper that the Trygon kit was going to be made by GW in plastic, so held off buying a resin Trygon for quite some time. Paid off. I didn't wait for a plastic Baneblade, despite whispers. I regret that now. There have been whispers of plastic Warhounds and Thunderhawks for years, so I'll wait.
Now I'm not going to buy GW's little rulebooks because I'm going to wait for the combined version. So when they announce "Hive Bastards 1", which combines Gang War 1, Gang War 2 and the WD articles for Genestealer Cult and Chaos Cult gangs for Newcromunda, I'll avoid it as I'll have the rules already. But when Gang War 3 comes out I'll ignore it, along with Gang War 4, until Hive Bastards 2 is released.
I don't actually think the book'll be called "Hive Bastards", but it'd be fun if it was.
Hmmm... why don't they announce they have gonna release a "complete/gold edition"? For the same reason videogames don't.
What gains the guy that buys the rules when they come out instead of waiting?
Hmm... I don't know... maybe play 1 year before the one that waits for the "Gold Edition"?
This is like videogames. You can buy everything when it comes out, or you can wait for a complete edition or game of the year edition that may or may not come out at a huge discount to buy the game. But if you do, you'll be playing the game 1-2 years after everyone else has played it.
As everything in this life, you have time, or you have money. Is your choice. (I'm in the waiting for cheaper prices group. Only if is something that I REALLY WANT RIGHT NOW I buy things at full price)
Galas wrote: Hmmm... why don't they announce they have gonna release a "complete/gold edition"? For the same reason videogames don't.
Wait sorry maybe I missed it, but what do you think is that reason?
I mean, I assume it's because they feel if they announce it, less people will buy it knowing they can get it as a compendium later. They're trying to balance pissing off people who would rather buy a compendium with still making as much money out of them as possible. But you didn't explicitly say that so I'm not sure if you meant there was another reason.
Galas wrote: Hmmm... why don't they announce they have gonna release a "complete/gold edition"? For the same reason videogames don't.
Wait sorry maybe I missed it, but what do you think is that reason?
I mean, I assume it's because they feel if they announce it, less people will buy it knowing they can get it as a compendium later. They're trying to balance pissing off people who would rather buy a compendium with still making as much money out of them as possible. But you didn't explicitly say that so I'm not sure if you meant there was another reason.
Option no. 3: GW wasn't sure they were going to release a collected edition.
GW has even stated themselves that they were taken by surprise by the popularity of Blood Bowl. The Death Zones were a good, fairly cost-effective way of getting the rules out there. Sure, paperbacks aren't as durable as hardbacks, but I still have my 2nd edition rules in the booklet form from the box set, and they're doing fine (and the pages were perforated to allow them to be removed and placed in a binder!). But dropping a hardback in February, just over three months after the box set dropped, was never going to happen. The Death Zones were "the plan". Then, when the game, the plastics and the Death Zone books did well, a nice collected edition becomes a very real possibility. There's a cost outlay there that has to be justified, and the 2017 sales figures obviously did that.
There's nothing new in the books: All the development was already done previously, issued in the Death Zones and White Dwarfs. So a huge portion of the lead-in was already done. All they needed to do was send it off to their printers. If you'd wanted all the rules from the Death Zones in a big fat hardback book then, tough, you'd have been waiting this long regardless for the rules themselves to have been even worked on, regardless of the Death Zone releases. But to those of us who felt the campaign rules were important (like me, and literally every BB player I've ever met) they're basically essential, so the Death Zones, back in the months they were released (nearly six months since the last one now? July, I believe?) were essential to me. The Almanac isn't, but it's very nice of GW to have collected the Death Zones and other additional rules up, so it'll be a nice addition.
I really don't understand what the issue is here. As for the allegations of "greed", I'm not so sure. Margins on printed books over miniatures are SLIM for GW. It's why they don't bother with RPGs in-house. They make all of their cash off the figures, not the books. They'll be making some nice pennies off the Almanac, for sure, but it's nothing in comparison to the actual miniatures. Let's all chill, yeah?
No one said it was a big thing, myself I was just a bit miffed that I fell for GWs gakky rules practices once more was all, even during the rogue trader era I never had two books outdated by another book within a year.
Having the compendiums, all the rules in one place, instead of a pile of magazines or pages in a binder, was something we were happy to pay for and not quite the same thing as invalidating entire books so quickly, not to me anyway.
Il just use my noggin this time and write down the stuff i need from someone elses books until the compendium comes out, and the same with Necromunda and all the other future games.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: I mean, I assume it's because they feel if they announce it, less people will buy it knowing they can get it as a compendium later. They're trying to balance pissing off people who would rather buy a compendium with still making as much money out of them as possible. But you didn't explicitly say that so I'm not sure if you meant there was another reason.
We just have to learn to remember that when it comes to new releases.
I fight off the urge to buy new Warner Brothers or Ubisoft games when they come out because I know that 1 year down the track I'll be able to get the game, plus all their money-grubbing DLC/cut-content bs, during a sale, for less than the cost of the original (shell) game.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: I mean, I assume it's because they feel if they announce it, less people will buy it knowing they can get it as a compendium later. They're trying to balance pissing off people who would rather buy a compendium with still making as much money out of them as possible. But you didn't explicitly say that so I'm not sure if you meant there was another reason.
We just have to learn to remember that when it comes to new releases.
I fight off the urge to buy new Warner Brothers or Ubisoft games when they come out because I know that 1 year down the track I'll be able to get the game, plus all their money-grubbing DLC/cut-content bs, during a sale, for less than the cost of the original (shell) game.
So bring on Hive Bastards Volume 1 and 2.
That would be Inglorious Hive Bastards....which might become my Orlock gang name.
I feel like a lot of people are giving GW too much credit on stuff like this.
The reason they don't announce a compendium from day 1 is because 1) they don't know that they're going to make a compendium and 2) they have no idea when said compendium will release if/when they do make one.
It would be like Forgeworld saying "Hey! We got this cool new kit, but just so you know, there is a chance that in the future this will come out in plastic, so, you know, there's that!"
I used to work for GW and left on very pleasant terms, trust me when I say that this stuff isn't on their radar from such an early point that they could even think about announcing a potentiality.
A great example of this (for me) is the 6th (or was it 7th?) edition Iyanden Eldar supplement. I got to talk with Andy Smillie at Adepticon last year and he offered insight into the development process of the Iyanden book supplement (and indicated that a LOT more stuff comes out in the same manner than most people realize). Basically, the Iyanden supplement was Andy being bored at his desk one day and then going around to see if the various departments (artwork, rules, etc...) could throw together some Iyanden stuff because he thought it would be cool. By the end of the week they supplement in draft. A lot of people cried that it was greedy 'ol gee dubs doing a money grab, but it was actually just Andy Smillie not having enough stuff to do one rainy Tuesday.
I dunno. While it may be comforting for some people to think of them as mustache twirling oil tycoons with a toy company, it's actually much more like a bunch of nerds that get to make some cool stuff now and then.
godswildcard wrote: I feel like a lot of people are giving GW too much credit on stuff like this.
The reason they don't announce a compendium from day 1 is because 1) they don't know that they're going to make a compendium and 2) they have no idea when said compendium will release if/when they do make one.
It would be like Forgeworld saying "Hey! We got this cool new kit, but just so you know, there is a chance that in the future this will come out in plastic, so, you know, there's that!"
I used to work for GW and left on very pleasant terms, trust me when I say that this stuff isn't on their radar from such an early point that they could even think about announcing a potentiality.
A great example of this (for me) is the 6th (or was it 7th?) edition Iyanden Eldar supplement. I got to talk with Andy Smillie at Adepticon last year and he offered insight into the development process of the Iyanden book supplement (and indicated that a LOT more stuff comes out in the same manner than most people realize). Basically, the Iyanden supplement was Andy being bored at his desk one day and then going around to see if the various departments (artwork, rules, etc...) could throw together some Iyanden stuff because he thought it would be cool. By the end of the week they supplement in draft. A lot of people cried that it was greedy 'ol gee dubs doing a money grab, but it was actually just Andy Smillie not having enough stuff to do one rainy Tuesday.
I dunno. While it may be comforting for some people to think of them as mustache twirling oil tycoons with a toy company, it's actually much more like a bunch of nerds that get to make some cool stuff now and then.
Except first off, supplements are in no way the same thing as collections, the first is new content typically but not always accompanying model releases, the latter is existing content repackaged in a way that's both more convenient and cheaper for the customer. There's an obvious motive to withhold information about the latter that doesn't exist for the former, which will do better with hype.
And that happy-clappy wee anecdote doesn't bear much resemblance to the info we get from ex-GW guys who actually worked in the studio, who have been quite frank about "moustache twirling" interference from the moneymen sometimes being a factor.
If you guys really want to sit there and pretend the SG team don't already know fine-well they'll be releasing a compilation of Gang War and WD content in a year or so unless the game totally bombs, have fun, and can I interest you in buying the deeds to Buckingham Palace? All legit and above board I assure you
ekwatts wrote: Wait, are the rules in the Death Zones invalidated by anything in the Almanac? Does the Almanac contradict them on a rules basis?
No, nothing is invalidated. It's hyperbole.
Oh, I know that. I'm asking it so the people spouting the hyperbole might do some analysis.
Introspection is an under-rated quality these days.
I really don't see what the problem with the almanac is - are we really saying that it's bad when a company offers you something for less than the price used to be?
The only thing that would have made me complain about the compendium is if they'd done an Angels of Death on it and combined a small amount of important new material with a load of re-printed material.
Seriously guys, can we just drop it? We've dedicated the better part of a page to it and now we're starting to fling off snide remarks as well?
Extreme 1: Person bought those books and are now unhappy because they could have instead bought the compendium and are unsatisfied with what GW have done.
Extreme 2: Person bought those books and are happy because they have those books and will buy the compendium too and are satisfied with what GW have done.
People in this thread exist somewhere between those extremes. Cool, we all understand each other? Lets move on then shall we?
If we have nothing else to talk about it's time to let the thread die until the next nugget of actual news or rumours pops up.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: Seriously guys... People in this thread exist somewhere between those extremes. Cool, we all understand each other? Lets move on then shall we?..
or how about you let people talk about the things they want and filter out the stuff you're not interested in?
infinite_array wrote: ... If anyone's curious, the NAF put out a newsletter today with the results of a vote making the Khorne and Brettonian teams official.
not really interested in this, IMO Naf are quickly turning themselves into the biggest group house rule.
Putting the NAF into direct conflict with the game proper!
IMO They should try to promote the game as it is now.
They are alienating people who are not that interested in unofficial house rules.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: Seriously guys... People in this thread exist somewhere between those extremes. Cool, we all understand each other? Lets move on then shall we?..
or how about you let people talk about the things they want and filter out the stuff you're not interested in?
Because this thread has a topic. It's News and Rumours. It's in the bloody title of the thread and in the name of the subforum. News and Rumours threads are hard enough to follow as is. We have a subforum where you can create more general topics if you'd like, here, I'll give you the links...
If the discussion of the compendium had anything useful to add it wouldn't be so annoying, but everyone knows where everyone else stands unless they're purposefully ignoring it because the positions are so damned simple, either you don't like what GW did or you do or you don't care.
I dont suppose anyone knows if anything new was shown at last weekend's event? It seems such a shame - in the midst of all these new Nurgle releases for 40k and AoS - that they didn;t follow suit with the Nurgle team (the one I have been really looking forward to since launch, annoyingly).
Clockpunk wrote: I dont suppose anyone knows if anything new was shown at last weekend's event? It seems such a shame - in the midst of all these new Nurgle releases for 40k and AoS - that they didn;t follow suit with the Nurgle team (the one I have been really looking forward to since launch, annoyingly).
That’s because they want you to buy the AOS figs and convert them. As soon as you are done with doing that then they will release the team which will be just better looking enough to get you to spend more money on it. It is the GW way.
zamerion wrote: apparently, in the preview of the next month of the WD is mentioned blood bowl.
If this means a new team, I hope they show it soon
Did anyone have a look at this? In the preview it just looked like them showing off some paint jobs, but if there are any previews or new rules I'd love to hear about them.
Well as they are showing human and orcs painted in the same color scheme....it might be something. Plus the 2sets of dice will be fleshed out teams with possible new resin upgrades.
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Nothing but old news lately. Other than two sets of dice, the focus seems to be on Necromunda these days.
We still sorely need the booster packs for Orcs and Humans (preferably with alternative versions for the Gouged Eye and Bright Crusaders). Over a year has past and the two initial teams are still not completed.Also goblins needs the 2nd booster pack and the 2nd troll (which as been leaked photos of last autumn!). Instead we've seen a bunch of less relevant releases (fine as they may be, but less important) like card decks, dice, tokens and fields.
Baxx wrote: Nothing but old news lately. Other than two sets of dice, the focus seems to be on Necromunda these days.
We still sorely need the booster packs for Orcs and Humans (preferably with alternative versions for the Gouged Eye and Bright Crusaders). Over a year has past and the two initial teams are still not completed.Also goblins needs the 2nd booster pack and the 2nd troll (which as been leaked photos of last autumn!). Instead we've seen a bunch of less relevant releases (fine as they may be, but less important) like card decks, dice, tokens and fields.
Kind of frustrating to try and collect...
So, you could say they are fumbling the blood bowl releases?
Necromunda is still fresh and new. More focus on that would be expected.
A new plastic team is incoming, we just don't know what it is yet. We will closer the time (May?).
This is in-line with the quarterly releases mentioned months back at an open day.
The last team was in November, so if they keep their promise of one team per quarter, the next team should be in March. Aside from just dumping it on the warhammer community site there has not been a suitable event to announce it at. The aos open day is on March 3rd so they may announce the next team then.
Necromunda is still fresh and new. More focus on that would be expected.
A new plastic team is incoming, we just don't know what it is yet. We will closer the time (May?).
This is in-line with the quarterly releases mentioned months back at an open day.
They heavily hinted at Nurgle on that Warhammer TV session. They gave the community a clue about the new team: 'no one like to see them'. Disturbing presence. Nurgle!
Please no moaning over BB releases, which have been fairly consistent - and please espeically no moaning at the expense of Necromunda, which also gets quarterly releases. If you collected both, like me, you'd wonder how to keep up rather than sighing about nothing new to buy.
Manchu wrote: Please no moaning over BB releases, which have been fairly consistent - and please espeically no moaning at the expense of Necromunda, which also gets quarterly releases. If you collected both, like me, you'd wonder how to keep up rather than sighing about nothing new to buy.
That's true! I still have a lot unfinished for both games (Grim Ironjaw, Glart Smashrip, Minotaur, Gouged Eye team, Elven Union) and for Necromunda I haven't even started on Escher.
EnTyme wrote: Call me when we get a proper Chaos team (goatmen and chaos warriors).
Get in line. Call me when Orcs and Humans are finished.
Is it possible to field a completed human/orc team (2x plastic teams boxes) with the required figures for the exact same cost it's likely to be to afford a plastic team box + forgeworld booster?
Why, yes! Yes, it is!
This is a boring conversation and it really needs to be put to bed. Forgeworld/GW will release the boosters as and when they feel like it.
Baxx wrote: 4 mono pose blitzers, black orcs and catchers is not a possibility for me. I got other teams to play.
Are you honestly stating you can't convert them?
If I knew they never was going to release them, I'd convert them back in end of 2016. But after seeing the Skaven booster, and having multiple teams in paint queue, I didn't want to end up with a converted set of positionals and then having to buy them afterwards and paint those too. Now I got a lot of Necromunda miniatures to finish so it's not going to happen any time soon. Also pictures of human booster pack was released about half a year ago so that also didn't motivate me much.
Bloodbowl blitz I believe was the old bloodbowl 7s, which was an alternate created by the staff at GW if memory serves me. It was meant to be played in 40 minutes or less as compared to a regular match game. The team adapted the rules so they could run a league during their lunch hour. Fast beer and pretzel game is what got me to really love the specialist games. Smaller pitch and fewer players make it a fast paced game and if the people who play it enjoy it and want more depth, then they can move up to Bloodbowl.
I do wish they would have made the sculpts more unique so as to expand the Bloodbowl line, but buying a Bloodbowl team pack now means you have a full set for Blitz.
I really like the idea of this and will probably buy it. I know jack gak about sports and am extremely confused by Blood Bowl diagrams and match reports. Would love a simpler version to try it out.
streetsamurai wrote: I dont really see the point of this. Bb is a simple enough game, and it doesnt cost too much money. Why would you need an intro game for it
Blood Bowl is aimed at the same sort of "young adult" audience as the rest of their games - 12 and up. There's a lot going on and a lot of thought required. If this game is aimed at an 8+ audience, then I can see streamlining it being a good idea.
After all, there was Kerrunch! in the early 90s , which was a simplified version of 2nd edition Blood Bowl, and Ultramarines, which was a simplified version of Space Hulk, so there's precedent.
Blood Bowl is supposed to be an introductory game to get people into Fantasy (er, I mean AoS).
I'm so confused.
Is it? Since when? It’s not even in the same universe (not even back when it was Warhammer Fantasy Battles) and doesn’t use any of the same mechanics except for rolling six-sided dice to resolve actions.
A gateway game, maybe (but still a little off considering the difference in the universes and all), but an introductory game? Hardly.
Is it? Since when? It’s not even in the same universe (not even back when it was Warhammer Fantasy Battles) and doesn’t use any of the same mechanics except for rolling six-sided dice to resolve actions.
A gateway game, maybe (but still a little off considering the difference in the universes and all), but an introductory game? Hardly.
I always considered the specialist games as spin-off games.
A cheaper alternative to the core box, with stripped down teams and game mechanics that can be played in a shorter space of time? Excellent idea.
Just to point out that in ye olde Kerrunch, they also used differently-coloured plastics to the "big box" core game.. nice little nod there (although to be fair, looking at the box art, it's been done so as to emphasise the core colours of the two teams represented on the box).
Are those statues on the board art going to be solid obstacles that can't be moved through?
I'm really excited for this! Will certainly buy it. It looks like they've modified the board a bit, which I hope has resulted in the game being relatively balanced.
I do hope they make a copy of the core rule available for folk who don't want to buy the main box. That's been the number 1 thing putting people off buying into Blood Bowl for me.
Blood Bowl is already pretty well-balanced, as far as it needs to be, but especially the main line core box (humans v orcs). Changing the board and cutting the teams down simply makes the games faster.
That said.. wouldn't like to play elves on an EVEN SHORTER board...
ekwatts wrote: Blood Bowl is already pretty well-balanced, as far as it needs to be, but especially the main line core box (humans v orcs). Changing the board and cutting the teams down simply makes the games faster.
That said.. wouldn't like to play elves on an EVEN SHORTER board...
You hit the nail on the head at the end. It looks like there are cards on that board for Skaven. From what I remember reading about Blood Bowl 7s, the dodging fast teams become a bit stronger on small tables.
Maybe that's what the unusual line in the middle and the two statues are potentially there for.
Edit: Anyone noticed that there are only three stats on the player cards? The left looks like movement, and then there are two in the style of a 3+ and 4+. There's also only 1 D6 on each side. Maybe it's using an armour save like in AoS/40k?
I'm such a BB geek that my first thought was "yay! new block dice!" but then I realized there are only 2 of each color.....I guess I could get extras from eBay.
BigDaddio wrote: I'm such a BB geek that my first thought was "yay! new block dice!" but then I realized there are only 2 of each color.....I guess I could get extras from eBay.
Or buy two sets.... then you’d have the same number of figures as Bloodbowl core game.
BigDaddio wrote: I'm such a BB geek that my first thought was "yay! new block dice!" but then I realized there are only 2 of each color.....I guess I could get extras from eBay.
Haha, well spotted! I too want those dice more than anything else in that box at the moment.
If the game is actually 40 minutes and I can play using teams other than just the boxed game teams (which looks likely as there are some Skaven cards), I may just reinvest in BB. The 2+ hours games really killed it for me, the game becomes very boring when one team is no longer in it and there are still 8 turns for each player to grind through.
Less subtle (but no less violent) are Blood Bowl’s latest team – a pack of killers for whom touchdowns are a mere distraction from the “true” heart of the sport – namely, giving praise to the Dark Gods and seeing how many enemy players you can slay before you get sent off.
The Doom Lords combine the speed and ferocity of the Beastmen with the martial might of the Chaos Chosen to create one of Blood Bowl’s most dangerous teams. You’ll be able to grab these guys alongside Spike! Magazine – a new supplement for Blood Bowl that’ll feature rules for new teams, Star Players, columns from Agony Uncle Lord Borak and much more.
Even if you’re not intending to pick up the Doom Lords, there are exciting times ahead for all Blood Bowl players as we kick off another season of Blitzmania, offering you the chance to test your skills, meet fellow players and possibly win some prizes!
I'll be waiting for better pictures, but there seems like there's something off about the 'humans' on the team.
Actually, looking at the video again, the whole team seems slightly off. I don't know if it's the lighting or the odd angles or what.
Looks to me like they've very definitely gone for a more actual 'player kit' with the chaos chosen, rather than just chaos warriors without weapons. I personally like this direction, especially the face guard/mask.
And yes, FW do a really nice Minotaur to go with them.
The Doom Lords look fantastic. Excuse the pun, but that has come completely out of left-field, and the design is totally not what I was expecting, but totally fitting regardless.
Another must-have, in spite of having already assembled a Chaos Pact team from mostly newer BB plastics over the last year or so.
On warhammer live last year Andy Hoard said the next bloodbowl team would be a surprise. He was certainly correct. He also said Nurgle was on the way so I would expect them to be the summer team.
I have mixed feelings about the new team. If the Blitz Bowl is actually a decent ruleset, I definitely want to do a Chaos team. Now I have that option, which is great. The beastmen look fantastic, but the Chaos warriors don't look Chaosy at all.....they just look really freaking silly and rather bad in my opinion. I know it's not the same sculptor or anything, but it's really hard to believe those models came from the team making the new Necromunda gangs (which all look fantastic).
Anyways, If I end up picking up a box, it looks like I'll be kitbashing my warriors and just using the beastmen.
Best thing is there should be 4 chaos warriors in the box (2 per sprue). Similar to Dwarves you really just need to pick up a beastman or two, depending on if you like to run a minotaur.
These are probably the worst Chaos Warrior minis Ive ever seen (hyperbole I know, but not too far off). The beastmen look amazing, but this is a definite no buy. :(
Messiah wrote: These are probably the worst Chaos Warrior minis Ive ever seen (hyperbole I know, but not too far off).
They may not be good Chaos warriors, but they make pretty good Chaos football players. I'm glad these new teams are focusing on the sports player look for all the models, rather than just making them look like WFB models with no weapons, like 3rd edition did.
. But also people starting off with unpainted teams would wind up in a similar position. Our old league 10+ years ago we had 6-7 people start up and bought their own sets. They played a few games befor painting up the teams they got, so bare plastic versus bare plastic. But most likely they are used for the advanced players.
