Hm. If the boxes are all set on the same hulk, would the teams follow a narrative arc?
Like we start with the Navy encountering Kroot on board and being all “wait, what?” They call the Inquisition in because this is weird (how many hulks have Kroot?) while the Kroot call in whoever’s paying them to investigate (Votann, maybe). Then all of them discover some chaos cultists and band together, being nominally not-unfriendly, and the nearest transport full of kasrkin gets called in to deal with the chaos lads wile the new chaos cult sprue shows up. Then box four is… hmm… oh! Turns out the things the cult was worshiping were in fact genestealers in stasis pods, not bound daemons as they thought, and the inquisitor nopes hard and calls in some Marines. Blood angels, of course.
Olthannon wrote: It would be daft of GW not to do a terminators vs genestealers box. I would think that is practically a given.
To be a balanced Kill Team though, it would be what? Three terminators? I think GW will instead have no Astartes teams in this hulk-themed season.
Plenty of ways to balance Terminators. I would suspect APL 2 on termies and 3 on the sarge and some way of giving that to a termie (so a shout to CPs on Space Hulk), free mission options/CP option for that and then make them 6 strong with a bunch of weapon options and away you go. Sadly they would probably have to be 5 strong, so that means 3APL and a stat line somewhere between a marine and a Primaris.
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silverstu wrote: I think the Terminators vs Stealers will be a proper Space Hulk box- seems to be what Valrak has heard- he stated that Space Hulk is coming back, even after this Killteam season dropped.
That would I bet be Primaris terminators. And a lot of memes about small doorways.
I really want the Gellerpox to come back. I don't care in what form or what game. The brute minis are in way too many cool conversions to not be available anymore.
Terminators with bigger legs at least or ideally better proportions would be ace, too. I kinda want to make better scales legs at least for 3d printing, but so far I didn't get around to it.
Well, its just a look back at past encounters but maybe worth a butchers all the same. The most legendary battle was fought aboard the Vengeful Spirit, as Ernie faced Ted for for the affections of Sue.*
* actually it was the Emperor facing Horus for the fate of the entire galaxy.**
** one might say the Universe but the Tyranids are on that case. The milky way is just a snack along their journey.
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jullevi wrote: The floor is definitely new. I own multiples of every Mechanicus and Zone Mortalis kits and I would recoqnize if it was from an existing kit.
Both pictures contain previously unseen floor pieces. Two of the Krieg models are standing on a grate that matches the design of Zone Mortalis column base, which means that either the floor has been partially scratch built to stage a photo or new plastic floor is compatible with Zone Mortalis to some extent.
Dysartes wrote: A hawk with Kroot that isn't an actual Kroothawk? Interesting.
Kroothawks are sacred birds, not even other Kroot go near them and they definitely don’t let the T’au hunt them or steal their eggs. I’d say it was weird that they ever had Kroothawks anywhere other than Pech. But that doesn’t mean that they are the only kind of flying Kroot-related creature on Pech. I mean we have several dozen species in the aerial predator niche on Earth and Pech is still mostly primordial so there should be room for even more there.
I don't think the Kroot are gendered, the DNA donor places their hands on the back of the "mother" to transfer the information required to produce offspring from what I remember from their Index Xenos, though it might have been females having a special patch.
Odd biology note, Kroot (apart from Knarlocs, that seem to have evolved one as part of their focused adaptations) have no anus or even a cloaca. Anything that goes in, comes out via the mouth.
It's not spelled out, but this presumably also applies to offspring or eggs. The Kroot are so secretive about this, we don't even know which it is (though obviously it is both, depending on what is needed).
I also like that it isn't a Kroothawk, as those never leave Pech and are much more holy than a hunting hawk.
GaroRobe wrote: Also, I hope this puts to rest the rumor that this is only going to be an upgrade sprue for the current kroot kit.
But further solidifies the notion that this is a specific set "Kill Team" set and not a general 40k unit.
If the Corsairs are anything to go by, I suspect this unit will be added to the Tau line up as "Kroot Trackers" or something. Maybe Kroot mercenaries considering they seem to be wandering much further afield.
So far, only the traitor guardsman have not ported across.
My thought is, don’t know why, that this set of four boxes will have two new Kill Teams each time, not upgrade sprue stuff.
As we move into new more unique ideas.
I wonder if just seeing how much better the new sprue ones sold over upgraded versions or something.
Either way it’s great if so, at least this box will,
They're massive ships with big open hall and zone, these ship used to carry other ships,even titans, and home of millions. They're not floating space pipes.
So in the first picture the ground is very clearly real... and then in the actual contents, it's a paper mat. And it appears that everything is based on a slot system, and then a series of toppers that holds everything together.
Or an explosive/breaching charge. The controller unit does appear to have a Big Red Button…
I like the Armsman wit the chain fist-they were originally designed for breaching bulkheads on ships after all.
The Kroot look amazing for sure. But what the heck is up with that triple-bow grenade launcher thing?
The board that is included in the boxed set appears to be cardboard (although a very nice looking print). However, the close-up picture shows a plastic board instead. Maybe it's a separate release?
Terrain looks nice and the mechanic to make it modular is pretty clever.
So in the first picture the ground is very clearly real... and then in the actual contents, it's a paper mat. And it appears that everything is based on a slot system, and then a series of toppers that holds everything together.
I don't really know what I was expecting, but I'm a little underwhelmed by the terrain, I may be more receptive when the proper flooring turns up, as you re correct, that floor is real in the first pic, but at the moment I'm a little meh. I'll get it for the potential in the next boxes, but I think I'll only be buying one, as opposed to multiple that I was anticipating I would buy at first, this is compounded even more by having very little interest in the models, the Navy breachers are a bit cool, but I don't see much of a purpose for them, one or two for converting/inquisitor warband.
I think the two Kill Teams both look amazing. The terrain is kind of what I expected. I’m not blown away by it, but I do like it. The prospect of subsequent sets adding more compatible terrain (hopefully more interesting terrain) does sound very promising.
jullevi wrote: The board that is included in the boxed set appears to be cardboard (although a very nice looking print). However, the close-up picture shows a plastic board instead. Maybe it's a separate release?
Terrain looks nice and the mechanic to make it modular is pretty clever.
Could well be. Like the Necromunda Dark Uprising stuff, you got a paper mat in the box, but they also sold the compatible tiles.
Stevefamine wrote: Terrain is super cluttered and generic. It'll probably be a very expensive kit on it's own
Those are my thoughts as well. I like the embellishments - the random machinery that you slot into the walls - but the walls themselves don't do it for me.
Stevefamine wrote: Terrain is super cluttered and generic. It'll probably be a very expensive kit on it's own
Those are my thoughts as well. I like the embellishments - the random machinery that you slot into the walls - but the walls themselves don't do it for me.
I don't know, it kinda reminds me positively of old submarines and comparative cramped spaces full of gizmos in every spot. Like so:
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Mixing it with less cluttered bits and various scatter bits will be interesting.
Not to impressed by the re-inclusion of the Core Book and all the other Gubbins. If you have been buying all the boxes from the beginning then you already have all this stuff. It will push the price up but it's unlikely that will be easily recoverable as the market is already flooded. Octarius was the launch box and needed all the Core elements but the boxes since haven't had them as they are easily available either individually or in the current starter set. As an expansion to the current system this actually disincentives current players.
So in the first picture the ground is very clearly real... and then in the actual contents, it's a paper mat.
Not sure what you mean by 'real'? This box follows the same terrain format of all the previous ones. The first shot in the article shows the contents clearly. GW have always included diorama shots in their marketing that include more than the kit contents alone.
Terrain doesn’t look compatible at all with zone mortalis which is a shame….
There are a few pieces not just the floor tile that are in the video but not in the box set.
And frankly I don’t feel the space hulk vibe from the terrain. I guess I expected the corridors to be tighter then the let’s spread out terrain to fill the map look. I mean I have no idea what they will expand in the next 3 waves for this terrain.
I’m not buying the box set maybe the individual terrain box when it’s released I just don’t feel like paying $300 for kroot or aeronautica units that I would never be able to use in 40K. The cardboard mat (or paper) doesn t do it for me.
Very tempted to pick up the Kroot (which are incredible) and latest terrain from Warcry Ghur, sprinkled with some Catachans would make an awesome deathworld board...
Too many projects, too much grey, too little time!
"You get a massive collection of 54 individual parts in this box, and it’s almost infinitely expandable – not least when the next set arrives three months later, bringing with it a whole new set of compatible space hulk scenery!"
Maybe they're talking about the floor tiles there.
This box is, frankly, amazing. I can't say enough about it without breaking Dakka's decency laws. I must have it.
That is about the three follow up boxes just having more terrain.
One wouldn’t have just floors in the box.
Be alternate bits like this that can all mix together, and another quarter of floor mat in each.
Flinty wrote: Is that a man-portable multi-laser I spy?
Awesome. And apologies if there have already been 50 pages of discussion on that item so far
Yeah it is. A much more likely option than a man-portable M134. For a start you don’t have to carry separate batteries and ammo, the batteries are the ammo. Zero recoil is also nice.
Much more appealing than the Kreigs & Kommandos, and hope it leads into a new £65 starter set.
One thing that brightened up the last edition of Kill Team was using Blackstone Fortress for indoor tomfoolery, and additional models for regular Kill Team battles.
Love the Kroot- especially the heavy bow thing. The terrain looks nice, not super interesting in itself but great to add to. I'm glad they didn't include plastic floors -the price would have been more silly than this will be already..quite tempted by this.. would love a Votann KT in one of the follow up sets.
As expected, Imperial Navy looks pretty generic, with the most interesting bits being the power fireaxe and bombsuit, while Kroot team looks amazing, like a band of cowboys.
I was sorely tempted by previous iterations of Kill Team boxed sets in the past, but I may need to pull the trigger on this one. Not for the actual game, but for the Voidsmen and the terrain. The Kroot are nice but I'm not necessarily in the market for them.
Chopstick wrote: As expected, Imperial Navy looks pretty generic, with the most interesting bits being the power fireaxe and bombsuit, while Kroot team looks amazing, like a band of cowboys.
I'll probably get one or 2 box.
Sometimes generic just WORKS though. The models individually have some character though which is good for a game like Kill Team.
silverstu wrote: Love the Kroot- especially the heavy bow thing. The terrain looks nice, not super interesting in itself but great to add to. I'm glad they didn't include plastic floors -the price would have been more silly than this will be already..quite tempted by this.. would love a Votann KT in one of the follow up sets.
Given the launch trailer for the Leagues was on a space hulk, I’d give good odds that they’ll be in the next box. Maybe against Tyranids, just for the squat irony?!
I’m super stoked for this box, love all of the models. Only real downside is an unnecessary rule book and hoping that the walls are ZM compatible (although that’s not a deal breaker).
The terrain is really nice, I'd love to make some L ruins from it and slap some of the old gw ruin floors on top. Also good for zone mortalis/necromunda.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Can anyone with better eyes weigh in on whether those floor tiles (which aren’t Zone Mortalis) look compatible with ZM?
I’m seeing the pillar/grate square for sure, but other than that my eyes go wonky.
I don't think so. The grate is clearly the same CAD file as the ZM one but it looks like it has a wider border so the squares must be bigger, I think.
On further examination: ZM walls are thick and occupy squares. Here it looks like all squares have thick borders and the walls are thin and sit on top of the borders.
Only one grate visible too; I think it's for flavour rather than a part of the way bits fit together.
So unless they have been very very clever, I think not ZM compatible.
EDIT: More grates than that, but in adjacent rows.
Breachers seem a bit more cartoonish, not sure the shotgun/shield guy fully works.
2 Shotguns stack on top of each other and it "click" into the door shield (because these dudes are expendable so they get no budget for an actual shield) so he can rack it with 1 hands. Not sure how he was able to carry the door though.
Product looks pretty great, but I can't help but think I can probably get a similar amount of terrain with very similar functionality from Archon for 50€. Interested to see if this will be in the latest Warcry price bracket or the Ash Wastes price bracket. If the latter, no way in heck. If the former, maybe if I can get it 35% off from eastern Europe.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Can anyone with better eyes weigh in on whether those floor tiles (which aren’t Zone Mortalis) look compatible with ZM?
I would be surprised if any measurement other than height matches ZM. Zone Mortalis follows its own unique geometry. It has squares but they aren't evenly distributed. Space Team Kill Hulk squares aren't actually squares, the math doesn't add up if the board size remains 22x30". Each "square" looks like a rectancle with 2:3 ratio instead. This probably means that not all the wall sections are of equal lenght but it remains to be seen.
Once again I shake my head at the stupid board size of Kill Team.
lord_blackfang wrote: Product looks pretty great, but I can't help but think I can probably get a similar amount of terrain with very similar functionality from Archon for 50€. Interested to see if this will be in the latest Warcry price bracket or the Ash Wastes price bracket. If the latter, no way in heck. If the former, maybe if I can get it 35% off from eastern Europe.
I like their idea of adding each set until you get a full board, but no doubt there'll be STLs that replicate each piece pretty much identically for 1/3rd the cost to print.
Breachers seem a bit more cartoonish, not sure the shotgun/shield guy fully works.
2 Shotguns stack on top of each other and it "click" into the door shield (because these dudes are expendable so they get no budget for an actual shield) so he can rack it with 1 hands. Not sure how he was able to carry the door though.
You know that the shield is shaped like a door because it's supposed to
Fit
Through the ship doors
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Can anyone with better eyes weigh in on whether those floor tiles (which aren’t Zone Mortalis) look compatible with ZM?
I would be surprised if any measurement other than height matches ZM. Zone Mortalis follows its own unique geometry. It has squares but they aren't evenly distributed. Space Team Kill Hulk squares aren't actually squares, the math doesn't add up if the board size remains 22x30". Each "square" looks like a rectancle with 2:3 ratio instead. This probably means that not all the wall sections are of equal lenght but it remains to be seen.
Once again I shake my head at the stupid board size of Kill Team.
It's seen - they have revealed the wall sections and there are two lengths. And yes, the "squares" are clearly rectangles now I look. Some of them contain 2x3 square grilles, and the vent section has extra padding on one side.
Mentlegen324 wrote: Am I missing something, or is that the Ecclesiarch symbol on both the CAT and one of the Breachers? Is there an exaplanation for that?
We haven't gotten one yet, but personal speculation is that it's just meant to be a "blessing" since they're effectively going into warp-corrupted hulks.
That's a cool looking box. I certainly the best out of the lot so far. I love the Kroot, probably a good opportunity to try out some of the weirder contrast paints on their skin.
The Navy lot are interesting, I like the lad with the massive boarding axe. Not as characterful as the Kroot perhaps.
I hope we continue to get less codex related Kill Teams, it's a nice way to expand the model lines.
There might still be limited compatibility with ZM pieces somehow. I'm seeing a tiled flooring with connectors at the middle, perhaps the ZM tiles also fit over the same squares even if the middle connectors themselves do not?
If we're getting 4 different sets of compatible doors/walls for these, the complete set of those is going to be GLORIOUS!
tauist wrote: There might still be limited compatibility with ZM pieces somehow. I'm seeing a tiled flooring with connectors at the middle, perhaps the ZM tiles also fit over the same squares even if the middle connectors themselves do not?
If we're getting 4 different sets of compatible doors/walls for these, the complete set of those is going to be GLORIOUS!
I honestly doubt there will be much compatibility with ZM. (beyond cutting, gluing and forcing it). In all honestly I half-suspect they'll quietly retire the ZM range in a month or two. It seems to be the fate of terrain pieces.
Hivefleet Oblivion wrote: For those of us who actually own Space Hulk.... do we expect the terrain to be on sale separately at some point?
It will release seperately as it’s modular however it’s going to be more expensive seperately.
Essentially these Box sets deals go limited release are the biggest discount and the starter box set is the next biggest discount and the killzone sets are a minor discount… expect the terrain and 2 army boxes bought seperately costing a little more then this box set and essentially getting the rules books play mat and all the templates and tokens for free.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Can anyone with better eyes weigh in on whether those floor tiles (which aren’t Zone Mortalis) look compatible with ZM?
I’m seeing the pillar/grate square for sure, but other than that my eyes go wonky.
I don't think so. The grate is clearly the same CAD file as the ZM one but it looks like it has a wider border so the squares must be bigger, I think.
On further examination: ZM walls are thick and occupy squares. Here it looks like all squares have thick borders and the walls are thin and sit on top of the borders.
Only one grate visible too; I think it's for flavour rather than a part of the way bits fit together.
So unless they have been very very clever, I think not ZM compatible.
EDIT: More grates than that, but in adjacent rows.
Did Gw shut down Owens Twitter account?. he was awesome showing all the features he built into terrains to make them compatible between sets… but he stopped posted a bit ago.
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schoon wrote: The KT board has 7 x 6 "squares," which would make them very close, but not quite square.
I have 6 ZM floor tiles, which is 24x36". I'm going to call that close enough for anything other than competitive play.
As for the pillars and walls, I bet they're all the same dimension. It wouldn't be worth it for 0.2"
...and there's nothing that says you can't use your ZM pillars and walls.
Why would they say you can’t zone mortalis is necromunda this is killteam it’s seperate games and board sizes.
I too agree killteam board size is silly but I get why it’s compatible w 40K
tauist wrote: There might still be limited compatibility with ZM pieces somehow. I'm seeing a tiled flooring with connectors at the middle, perhaps the ZM tiles also fit over the same squares even if the middle connectors themselves do not?
If we're getting 4 different sets of compatible doors/walls for these, the complete set of those is going to be GLORIOUS!
I honestly doubt there will be much compatibility with ZM. (beyond cutting, gluing and forcing it). In all honestly I half-suspect they'll quietly retire the ZM range in a month or two. It seems to be the fate of terrain pieces.
They are seriously purging terrain fast even good all around sets like sector imperialis. It’s crazy..
I think at best I can place this terrain next to my zone mortalis board and make it somewhat visually compatible but the different board sizes screws me.
Anything with shotguns is always great, as well as a nice fire ax.
Totally agreed! This looks like a really excellent box set. The breachers have so much character, like ... hyper-aggressive deep space fire fighters lol
Bob Lorgar wrote: So the guy with the shield...has an over/under double barrel pump shotgun.
Is that even mechanically possible? How would that even function?
There already existed the concept of a naval shotcannon. Why not use one of those?
It's 2 shotguns stack on top of each other, you fire both shell and when you rack it, both shells come out, doesn't sound very implausible.
The weapons these guys used are either mass produce shotgun pattern, autogun and autopistol, or something look like a youtuber made them in his workshop : fire axe with slap on powerfield generator, bomb stick to servo skull, 2 shotguns weld together, a door as shield.... multilas look like they just yoink it from the nearest sentinel factory. The drone also looks like these guy made it themselves. I think the most expensive piece of equipment these guy had are the power saber and the chainfist.
I don't think they really have the budget to have some kind of crazy new weapon. Maybe if they do we'll see some insane weapons like a melta blowtorch, a combi drill-gun weapon, a demolition charge launcher..., or just simply old weapon but completely different new pattern. Well technically speaking these shotguns are new pattern because the stocks are different than the other pump shotgun.
Bob Lorgar wrote: So the guy with the shield...has an over/under double barrel pump shotgun.
Is that even mechanically possible? How would that even function?
Better than the squat guns with the breech of one barrel inside the magazine at any rate. Also it has two ejection ports so that’s nice
But really, it just needs a long slide and two lifts, possibly nested, to shove two shells out of the tube at once and load them in sequence. I already have a rough sketch of an idea of the mechanism in my head.
Of course by doubling the firepower that way you’re effectively halving your magazine, to the point where you might spend less time on average reloading a break-action instead. But it kinda makes sense for an environment where you expect brief but excessively violent engagements with plenty of downtime between.
Maybe there is a hidden tube in the body somewhere. It’s not great though. The pump action thing at least will is fine. The venerable Spas 12 is semi auto but with an auxiliary pump action to aid use of shells that are not powerful enough to cycle the action: also the shotgun is quite well embedded in that shield to enable the slide to be racked.
There's at least one different option.
There's a kroot holding his gun vertically that is different to the squad shown. You can see it in this picture. I'm really curious to see what other options there are.
Of course by doubling the firepower that way you’re effectively halving your magazine, to the point where you might spend less time on average reloading a break-action instead. But it kinda makes sense for an environment where you expect brief but excessively violent engagements with plenty of downtime between.
For all you know he could have a whole bunch of shells and load system behind that shield
They are seriously purging terrain fast even good all around sets like sector imperialis. It’s crazy..
I think at best I can place this terrain next to my zone mortalis board and make it somewhat visually compatible but the different board sizes screws me.
I would be slightly - slightly - surprised to see them kill ZM unless they were stopping supporting "indoor" Necromunda as a game. Players of that need terrain, and this KT set doesn't look nearly as versatile (e.g. no elevated positions) and is definitely designed to look primarily like the inside of a vessel. They could admittedly just introduce a new Necromunda box with new components from this new system, but their priority with that game seems to be Ash Wastes right now rather than underhive starter set #4.
But who knows. I kind of imagine terrain is simply not a big seller in general.
There's at least one different option.
There's a kroot holding his gun vertically that is different to the squad shown. You can see it in this picture. I'm really curious to see what other options there are.
Other KT kits (the first IG veteran squad, at least) have a mono-pose KT specialist build, and Lasgun option for them too.
They may be monopose, but there is an alternate monopose to build instead. I am managing to magnetise the IG squad, mostly.
Everything in this box look great, but I'm not really that interested in the game itself. If these models will get proper usable 40K rules I might need to get it.
Wasn‘t a big fan of the recent Kill Team boxes, but this one looks nice and I might have to get one.
As they’ve now suddenly revealed the complete contents, are we expecting preorders to be announced this weekend? I would have expected a more gradual approach until they show us everything, but maybe their release schedule got jumbled and this set might just be what‘s ready now.
Chikout wrote: There's at least one different option.
There's a kroot holding his gun vertically that is different to the squad shown. You can see it in this picture. I'm really curious to see what other options there are.
Fascinating. I don't see any of the other Kroot with shared pieces for that one. It almost looks like the one with the peg leg, based on the other foot, but that's a lot of spare pieces if so.
Thus far, there has not been a single Kill Team without the options to make it into a generic 40k unit with everyone getting the same guns (and a few specials), so I don't see why it would be different with these guys.
Chikout wrote: There's at least one different option.
There's a kroot holding his gun vertically that is different to the squad shown. You can see it in this picture. I'm really curious to see what other options there are.
Fascinating. I don't see any of the other Kroot with shared pieces for that one. It almost looks like the one with the peg leg, based on the other foot, but that's a lot of spare pieces if so.
Typically, KT squads are a typical double sized sprue plus a single sprue with KT specific upgrade parts (for 3 frames total). Sometimes they are just three frames all jumbled up if all the options are in the Codex, like the Kommandos.
So in the first picture the ground is very clearly real... and then in the actual contents, it's a paper mat. And it appears that everything is based on a slot system, and then a series of toppers that holds everything together.
My head cannon (no pun intended) for the double-barrelled pump shotgun being specifically with the boarding shield is so that he can have two different ammo types loaded simultaneously. For example having a solid slug to take out locks/hinges, etc. and then a standard anti-infantry loading (buck shot?) to shoot the thing behind the door.
Well they want you to buy the next two boxes after this, only those boxes will have existing kits with upgrade sprues, making them less attractive prospects.
So in the first picture the ground is very clearly real... and then in the actual contents, it's a paper mat. And it appears that everything is based on a slot system, and then a series of toppers that holds everything together.
Is it me, or it looks a tad sparse?
Theres some scatter terrain as well I think. Its a lot of walls- but not enough to build lots of corridors, as a base set its not bad but it will only get really interesting once you add additional sets.
TBH there's more of it than I thought there'd be, but I think the article hints pretty heavily that GW forsee you buying the next two Kill Team boxes too and combining them together before you get a real set of corridor Zone Mortalis terrain.
Haighus wrote: Typically, KT squads are a typical double sized sprue plus a single sprue with KT specific upgrade parts (for 3 frames total). Sometimes they are just three frames all jumbled up if all the options are in the Codex, like the Kommandos.
Since both of these Kill Teams are new, I would assume it will be one set of sprues for all the options, like the Kommandos and Corsairs. But in the previous sets, that was mostly just arm and head swaps. The bodies were usually the same. I don't know how the Kroot go together, but adding new legs and arms feels like a lot. The only shared bits are the torso and head? Not saying you're wrong, just would be unusual.
silverstu wrote: Theres some scatter terrain as well I think. Its a lot of walls- but not enough to build lots of corridors, as a base set its not bad but it will only get really interesting once you add additional sets.
I'm totally expecting this box to cost in the whereabouts of the latest Warcry box, so that wouldn't really happen ^^.
Haighus wrote: Typically, KT squads are a typical double sized sprue plus a single sprue with KT specific upgrade parts (for 3 frames total). Sometimes they are just three frames all jumbled up if all the options are in the Codex, like the Kommandos.
Since both of these Kill Teams are new, I would assume it will be one set of sprues for all the options, like the Kommandos and Corsairs.
I wouldn't be so sure, of that, the Traitor Guard and Kriegers were also brand new, but both of them have all of the KT options on a separate sprue.
Haighus wrote: Typically, KT squads are a typical double sized sprue plus a single sprue with KT specific upgrade parts (for 3 frames total). Sometimes they are just three frames all jumbled up if all the options are in the Codex, like the Kommandos.
Since both of these Kill Teams are new, I would assume it will be one set of sprues for all the options, like the Kommandos and Corsairs.
I wouldn't be so sure, of that, the Traitor Guard and Kriegers were also brand new, but both of them have all of the KT options on a separate sprue.
The DKoK extra sprue also had some clever parts that dramatically changed the appearance of the model with few pieces, such as the crouching legs or the grenadier armour plate for the demolition expert.
So in the first picture the ground is very clearly real... and then in the actual contents, it's a paper mat. And it appears that everything is based on a slot system, and then a series of toppers that holds everything together.
Is it me, or it looks a tad sparse?
The assembled terrain has 24 wall segments, while the component pics have 11, so there seems to be a missing piece, and then it is doubled.
Previous 8 Kill Teams have included 3 different sprue setups because GW is consistent at being inconsistent. Sprue of ten including Specialist bits (Kommandos, Corsairs) and sprue or ten with Specialist bits on separate frane (Death Korps, Novitiates, Traitor Guard) are equally likely in my opinion. I am tempted to guess the latter, though.
They fill up the sprue until they meet the requirement 2 builds for each models, then add some more if there're extra space. Corsair and Kommando are bigger than the other human teams, so they got the bigger 3rd sprue
The assembled terrain has 24 wall segments, while the component pics have 11, so there seems to be a missing piece, and then it is doubled.
Bottom wall is the same as the one above it but modelled with door open. Single wall with pipe connector is missing and possibly some others.
My guess is that wall sections are divided into two sprues of 6 and then duplicated for a total of 24. Each accessory is also included twice and there are some that are not included in the showcase picture, such as the machinery with plasma containers, wall of crates and crashed alcove.
I would expect future sets to recycle number of walls and accessories but introduce a new sprue or two to represent specific details such as engine room or torpedo bay.
Well they want you to buy the next two boxes after this, only those boxes will have existing kits with upgrade sprues, making them less attractive prospects.
TheGoodGerman wrote: Wasn‘t a big fan of the recent Kill Team boxes, but this one looks nice and I might have to get one.
As they’ve now suddenly revealed the complete contents, are we expecting preorders to be announced this weekend? I would have expected a more gradual approach until they show us everything, but maybe their release schedule got jumbled and this set might just be what‘s ready now.
I'm told preorders are three weeks out, from a very good source.
Haighus wrote: The DKoK extra sprue also had some clever parts that dramatically changed the appearance of the model with few pieces, such as the crouching legs or the grenadier armour plate for the demolition expert.
The crouching legs are just on the regular sprue, though. They aren't part of the KT bits. Again, the extra pieces have been fairly minimal. Nothing as big as a new torso and legs.
Haighus wrote: The DKoK extra sprue also had some clever parts that dramatically changed the appearance of the model with few pieces, such as the crouching legs or the grenadier armour plate for the demolition expert.
The crouching legs are just on the regular sprue, though. They aren't part of the KT bits. Again, the extra pieces have been fairly minimal. Nothing as big as a new torso and legs.
That was literally part of the Pathfinder sprue for Tau.
Spoiler:
The DKoK sprue wasn't that big certainly, but it was designed in mind for the box.
Haighus wrote: The DKoK extra sprue also had some clever parts that dramatically changed the appearance of the model with few pieces, such as the crouching legs or the grenadier armour plate for the demolition expert.
The crouching legs are just on the regular sprue, though. They aren't part of the KT bits. Again, the extra pieces have been fairly minimal. Nothing as big as a new torso and legs.
Oh, I could've sworn the DKoK sprue had one of the two crouching legs. Clearly not on review.
It doesn't have entire torsos, but it has different packs and pieces like the torso armour plate which do change the look of the model significantly.
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Kanluwen wrote: That was literally part of the Pathfinder sprue for Tau.
And he was talking about the Kreiger sprue, so... ?
The conversation in general is about how much the KT upgrade sprues change the look of the models, so other KTs, like the pathfinders, are relevant.
I do think the Kroot options will look surprisingly varied. Typically there are two builds for most bodies, and they usually look quite distinct.
Sadly, I'm not sure I can haz enough storage space to hold 4 more KT boxes full of terrain. I'll either have to make do with just getting 2 out of 4 boxes + the occasional must-have bits from the other two, or to skip this season's boxes altogether and only buy separate team kits which tickle my fancy.
I just about have the barebones terrain to represent most typical outdoors battlefields (+ 2 Realm Of Battle boards), I don't know if I'll need so much "indoors" terrain anyway as to require all 4 boxes. Enough is enough.
I'm more interested in how the terrain walls fit with the ZM terrain for Necromunda. It would be a great way to make more textured interiors if they didn't require a lot of work to fit properly.
I worked quite a bit with the zone mortals terrain - this new terrain does not look compatible in the slightest. I would even guess that the length and height of the pieces do not match up either. Nothing that can't be remedies with a hobby saw, but definitely not plug and play in the way the other terrain sets matched up previously.
Haighus wrote: The DKoK extra sprue also had some clever parts that dramatically changed the appearance of the model with few pieces, such as the crouching legs or the grenadier armour plate for the demolition expert.
The crouching legs are just on the regular sprue, though. They aren't part of the KT bits. Again, the extra pieces have been fairly minimal. Nothing as big as a new torso and legs.
Oh, I could've sworn the DKoK sprue had one of the two crouching legs. Clearly not on review.
It doesn't have entire torsos, but it has different packs and pieces like the torso armour plate which do change the look of the model significantly.
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Kanluwen wrote: That was literally part of the Pathfinder sprue for Tau.
And he was talking about the Kreiger sprue, so... ?
The conversation in general is about how much the KT upgrade sprues change the look of the models, so other KTs, like the pathfinders, are relevant.
I do think the Kroot options will look surprisingly varied. Typically there are two builds for most bodies, and they usually look quite distinct.
Oh, totally possible! I was just saying that it would be different from the norm. I suppose the peg leg on the Kroot could be the bit that's swapped, similar to how the Kreig Veteran gets a bionic arm. We will just have to see.
Olthannon wrote: I suspect that's some kind of breach weapon, looks like a short range thing.
Looks almost like someone tried to make a high-tech version of an arrow basket. Could be a room-clearing shotgun-type device? Or closer to a claymore-onna-stick I suppose. Or it could be paradoxical super tech that does the same thing with gravity or something because people forget that the Kroot once got to eat a bunch of Ork mekz…
Breotan wrote: I'm more interested in how the terrain walls fit with the ZM terrain for Necromunda. It would be a great way to make more textured interiors if they didn't require a lot of work to fit properly.
I'm actually thinking that the walls for the new set, carefully cut in half, could easily become new ZM wall facings...
Breotan wrote: I'm more interested in how the terrain walls fit with the ZM terrain for Necromunda. It would be a great way to make more textured interiors if they didn't require a lot of work to fit properly.
I'm actually thinking that the walls for the new set, carefully cut in half, could easily become new ZM wall facings...
If you have the tools for that, you don't need GW walls
Almost looks like it could be a grabber too, or incapacitating enemies up close.
As for the walls, I'm not sure what Zone Mortalis has over the thinner walls. I'd have thought you'd get a lot more space hulk wall for your sprue than ZM stuff.
Flinty wrote: Is that a man-portable multi-laser I spy?
Awesome. And apologies if there have already been 50 pages of discussion on that item so far
Yeah it is. A much more likely option than a man-portable M134. For a start you don’t have to carry separate batteries and ammo, the batteries are the ammo. Zero recoil is also nice.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: Thus far, there has not been a single Kill Team without the options to make it into a generic 40k unit with everyone getting the same guns (and a few specials), so I don't see why it would be different with these guys.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: Thus far, there has not been a single Kill Team without the options to make it into a generic 40k unit with everyone getting the same guns (and a few specials), so I don't see why it would be different with these guys.
Traitor Guard would like a word.
They have the options to be made into a generic 40k unit with all-Lasguns and a sergeant
There's just no GOD DAMN RULES FOR IT, DESPITE THE FACT GW PROMISED THERE WOULD BE
Also released a new Interecession Kill Team which allows mixing and matching of Interecessors & Assault Interecessors into a 6 model team. Comes with Narrative Spec Ops goodies included. Great stuff!
Now I need to collect all the existing WD team rules and I'll be set for a very long time. Not sure I'm going to be into the indoors Arena type games as much. First season KT21 mixed with 9th ed 40K Crusade is where it's going to be at for me personally, at least for a while now. I might even splurge on a scalped Chalnath killzone box, just to be able to play the official Chalnath missions with the exact intended terrain, as there will be very little for me to collect during the next season.
BTW, the article mentions that Into The Dark is mere weeks away from Preorder..
Brickfix wrote: I know it's free rules but compared to the orc commandos or even the Phobos primaris kill Team these new rules are rather boring
I think this is just throwing Marine players a bone. People have been complaining that Interecessors are useless ever since Compendium dropped, this at least allows them to mix shooting and CC. But it's still nowhere near the level of bespoke Kill Teams such as Phobos Marines etc. Think of it as a Compendium team. I'd even go as far as allowing this Interecession team as a part of a Compendium Marines roster in friendly games.
I like how these dudes can take any power weapon, something no primaris outside of BT veterans can do. Speaking of which, no BT guns as options? Just why? GW would surely sell a lot of BT boxes if you could take their flamers or combi weapons in KT
I also like how you can combine power fist or thunder hammer with any rifle but plasma pistol can be only taken with chainsword
Brickfix wrote: I know it's free rules but compared to the orc commandos or even the Phobos primaris kill Team these new rules are rather boring
That's what you get when underlying rules are crap. I wish GW fired whatever incompetent clown is sabotaging primaris for years now and gave them some real, interesting options like making BT-locked guns universal or finally give them frakking melee weapon table/parity with squats, then you will have real tangible customization...
Wow free core rules and free intercessor kill team rules—can’t complain! I wonder if this (and warcry rules) are due to shipping/production issues, or part of a move to free digital rules?
Irbis wrote: I like how these dudes can take any power weapon, something no primaris outside of BT veterans can do. Speaking of which, no BT guns as options? Just why? GW would surely sell a lot of BT boxes if you could take their flamers or combi weapons in KT
I also like how you can combine power fist or thunder hammer with any rifle but plasma pistol can be only taken with chainsword
Brickfix wrote: I know it's free rules but compared to the orc commandos or even the Phobos primaris kill Team these new rules are rather boring
That's what you get when underlying rules are crap. I wish GW fired whatever incompetent clown is sabotaging primaris for years now and gave them some real, interesting options like making BT-locked guns universal or finally give them frakking melee weapon table/parity with squats, then you will have real tangible customization...
It is really telling of what GW considers it's priorities to be - even if they wanted to continue with the insistence on no models no rules all it would take is one generic primaris upgrade set with a few power weapons and some generic character bits to turn any old chump into a Lt/Captain. And everyone would buy it.
Finished skiming through the Interecession Team rules. This right here is the Marine team people have been waiting for. Assaulters getting to fight twice and shooters getting to shoot twice per activation without spending CPs or having to choose one or the other is huge. Add some nasty equipment to an auto bolt rifle or a stalker bolt rifle and you'll really start to ruin someone's day. And this is all before adding the two free abilities from the list like "stealthy" (retain two normal saves from cover if not within RED) and "methodical" (removes all overwatch penalties from the entire squad!)
Kind of interested to see what CanURollACrit has to say about this new team.. It has potential to be quite strong
For any of the more experienced KT players, would adding Helblasters (for Intercession) and Eliminators (for Phobos) as a 1 per team heavy weapon specialist be a positive addition?
I know there's a general restriction of marine heavy weapons compared to 40k (heavy bolter and missile launcher only, other than faction specific), but would a single plasma incinerator or bolt sniper rifle be overpowered at this scale?
Quasistellar wrote: Wow free core rules and free intercessor kill team rules—can’t complain! I wonder if this (and warcry rules) are due to shipping/production issues, or part of a move to free digital rules?
Think they may well be experimenting with free rules before they finalise plans for 40K. It's a nice easy experiment for them, with the new season around the corner these rule are effectively depreciated but still highly relevant to the game. GW is a book and model company with the rules driving sales of both. Now they do seem to be moving away from the idea if you give rules away then book sales will collapse. If they see a benefit of increased model sales that offset the lack of book sales with books finding a market with those who prefer a book or want lore, art, etc then this could lead to real change. Same with the Intercession team which would normally be locked up in a White Dwarf at the least. Free rules plus one faction (esp something as popular as Space Marines) could well drive enough growth in the system to pay dividends elsewhere.
Why can the Assault Intercessor Sergeant only take a Plasma Pistol/Chainsword Combo, but can combo the Heavy Bolt Pistol and Hand Flamer with any melee weapon?
H.B.M.C. wrote: Why can the Assault Intercessor Sergeant only take a Plasma Pistol/Chainsword Combo, but can combo the Heavy Bolt Pistol and Hand Flamer with any melee weapon?
I’d guess that the lack of points in KT made them shy away from letting you have both the best pistol and CC toys on the same guy for balance reasons.
My knee-jerk thought was no model, no rules, as the push-fit starter sarge has a chainsword and plasma loadout, but they have the full kit options, and it includes all the choices.
Nevelon wrote: My knee-jerk thought was no model, no rules, as the push-fit starter sarge has a chainsword and plasma loadout, but they have the full kit options, and it includes all the choices.
That was my first thought as well, but yeah, like you I checked and the Assault Intercessor squad has a plasma pistol there. I even made sure the hand was correct - in case the plasma pistol was in the same hand as the thunder hammer/fist/etc. and GW was really being that anal about it - but no, it's the same hand as the HBP and Hand Flamer.
In prior Team rules, leaders were given the choice to go for Plasmapistol and a power weapon, and nothing else was ever chosen as that loadout is just superior to anything else. GW started capping this in the Moroch book the first time IIRC. Supposedly the idea is that people might select other loadouts for their leaders as well going forward.
Quasistellar wrote: Wow free core rules and free intercessor kill team rules—can’t complain! I wonder if this (and warcry rules) are due to shipping/production issues, or part of a move to free digital rules?
Think they may well be experimenting with free rules before they finalise plans for 40K. It's a nice easy experiment for them, with the new season around the corner these rule are effectively depreciated but still highly relevant to the game. GW is a book and model company with the rules driving sales of both. Now they do seem to be moving away from the idea if you give rules away then book sales will collapse. If they see a benefit of increased model sales that offset the lack of book sales with books finding a market with those who prefer a book or want lore, art, etc then this could lead to real change. Same with the Intercession team which would normally be locked up in a White Dwarf at the least. Free rules plus one faction (esp something as popular as Space Marines) could well drive enough growth in the system to pay dividends elsewhere.
Unless I'm missing something (maybe I am, I still haven't read my KT rulebook), these "free rules" are just a 3 page simplified version of the rules to help new players get into the game. It doesn't replace the paid rulebooks, it's just to ease new players into the game so they don't start reading the proper rulebook and give up before they even play a game, lol.
I imagine this release is in response to people like me who were bitching about how badly the new KT rules were written and how unnecessarily difficult it was for people unfamiliar with the game to learn it from scratch.
tauist wrote: In prior Team rules, leaders were given the choice to go for Plasmapistol and a power weapon, and nothing else was ever chosen as that loadout is just superior to anything else. GW started capping this in the Moroch book the first time IIRC. Supposedly the idea is that people might select other loadouts for their leaders as well going forward.
You mean to say that in a points-less environment with no real downside for doing so people generally took the most effective options?
Quasistellar wrote: Wow free core rules and free intercessor kill team rules—can’t complain! I wonder if this (and warcry rules) are due to shipping/production issues, or part of a move to free digital rules?
Think they may well be experimenting with free rules before they finalise plans for 40K..
The rules for 7th-ed 40k (or was it 8th?) were released as an 8-page freebie. It was handy to use while learning, but lots of the required rules were not in it.
For people getting brought into the game, and as long as the person bringing them in has the rules, a free booklet is very useful.
1. Arrange a game
2. Get sent a link to the cut-down rules
3. Fill in the rest as you play.
4. Profit?
Quasistellar wrote: Wow free core rules and free intercessor kill team rules—can’t complain! I wonder if this (and warcry rules) are due to shipping/production issues, or part of a move to free digital rules?
Think they may well be experimenting with free rules before they finalise plans for 40K..
The rules for 7th-ed 40k (or was it 8th?) were released as an 8-page freebie. It was handy to use while learning, but lots of the required rules were not in it.
For people getting brought into the game, and as long as the person bringing them in has the rules, a free booklet is very useful.
1. Arrange a game
2. Get sent a link to the cut-down rules
3. Fill in the rest as you play.
4. Profit?
For 8th ed, and those rules were missing trifling little things like army construction and terrain rules. That should tell you all you need to know about GW's "free" rules.
Yeah it's a shame that the core rules are not available for free, especially since they added a couple over the recent releases.
I do find the 3 page rules useful though, it boils the general rules down to a set that are fairly enough for the first 2-3 games to decide if killteam is something you'd like to play more often, while not shying away from the 2 most complicated rules: cover vs. obscure and the appendix of special rules.
tauist wrote: In prior Team rules, leaders were given the choice to go for Plasmapistol and a power weapon, and nothing else was ever chosen as that loadout is just superior to anything else. GW started capping this in the Moroch book the first time IIRC. Supposedly the idea is that people might select other loadouts for their leaders as well going forward.
You mean to say that in a points-less environment with no real downside for doing so people generally took the most effective options?
Man. And now one saw that coming?
IMO KT21 as a whole is pretty well balanced, as long as one pitches Bespoke teams against other bespoke teams and Compendium teams against other compendium teams. So this development is a bit odd. But it is what it is.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Why can the Assault Intercessor Sergeant only take a Plasma Pistol/Chainsword Combo, but can combo the Heavy Bolt Pistol and Hand Flamer with any melee weapon?
Power balancing, I bet. They've done similar weapon loadout restrictions elsewhere.
GiToRaZor wrote: Yeah it's a shame that the core rules are not available for free, especially since they added a couple over the recent releases.
I do find the 3 page rules useful though, it boils the general rules down to a set that are fairly enough for the first 2-3 games to decide if killteam is something you'd like to play more often, while not shying away from the 2 most complicated rules: cover vs. obscure and the appendix of special rules.
Were GW to actually take this free rules thing seriously, there'd be nothing to stop them from having an additional introductory rules document for learning and teaching first steps. Or integrate that into the full rules by formatting it to have basic and advanced rules and advising to stick to the basic rules for your first few games until you develop a feel for them.
If they've FAQ'd the rules, they really need to be in the most recent rules released. Necromunda is still riddled with old rules in new books.
That way, the free rules are useful to everyone, not just new players.
Skinnereal wrote: If they've FAQ'd the rules, they really need to be in the most recent rules released. Necromunda is still riddled with old rules in new books.
That way, the free rules are useful to everyone, not just new players.
We will see that in the next box release. The teaser said the rules would include everything so far. The picture however still showed the Krieg cover.
Anyway, luckily it is not like the worlds are turning in KT. The rules are fairly simple and there is only a handful of additional rules and errata. Hardly anything is a real game changer and every bespoke team rules have been very balanced so far. Even after one year I find the game fun and easy to play. Far away from the 5hrs of bookkeeping and model removal to realise the game is over by turn 2, that 40K has become. The only thing lacking is maybe more movement, there is so little you can do in 4 turns. But I haven't played the infiltration rules yet, that might change things on a terrain heavy table.
Just finished watching the first official battle report playing Into the Dark @ WH+. Dayum.
I know I said I'd probably skip the boxes of this season but Into the Dark at least is a must-buy. Both teams are very flavourful (Imperial Navy seems strong af! Didn't expect that) and I really like the compartmentalized layout of the Space Hulk boards. Playing peek-a-boo with the doors gives a whole new angle to thinking about model positioning. Plus, there is now a way to properly Overwatch Space Hulk style (a new action called Guard).
This does raise a question though - How will the Season 1 teams fare in ItD missions?
This does raise a question though - How will the Season 1 teams fare in ItD missions?
I'd imagine that the bespoke Season 1 teams will fare alright. The Traitor Guard Trench Sweeper and Brimstone Grenadier seem to perform similarly to the Imperial Navy's Endurant and Grenadier, while the Eldar Corsair Starstorm Duelist and Shade Runner probably perform like the Kroot Cut-skin and Pistoler.
This does raise a question though - How will the Season 1 teams fare in ItD missions?
I'd imagine that the bespoke Season 1 teams will fare alright. The Traitor Guard Trench Sweeper and Brimstone Grenadier seem to perform similarly to the Imperial Navy's Endurant and Grenadier, while the Eldar Corsair Starstorm Duelist and Shade Runner probably perform like the Kroot Cut-skin and Pistoler.
All good points. It is also concievable that most Season 1 teams were already designed with close confines missions in mind; GW has long roadmaps and very often the products get released almost a year after their designs have been finalized, by the time KT21 Chalnath was out, Into the Dark would have been already conceptualized at the very least.
TLDR: -Gellerpox and Starstriders and reprints of the WD Kill teams plus new mission stuff in KT Annual 2022. -Individual releases of Gellerpox, Starstriders, Blooded, and Phobos.
I'm currently wondering if Skitarii are going to get an upgrade pack at some point. The card doesn't show the usual arm pairing for that Omnispex pose. There's no arm upraised with a rifle on it.
Let's goooo! I'm really, really, really happy I didn't splurge and spend $40 just to get one of the hulks. I did pick up some of the fly swarms and the thrice-head dude, but that was back when they were still cheap.
Since it's a kill team kit, I'm hoping they'll only be $60 per team, and not $80-120 like GW loves to do when they re-release OOP stuff
No kidding. They looked really good, but the tepid 'terrain' and swarm of little nurgle bug-things put me off buying the KT box.
KT has a huge advantage in bringing in more kit variety, but it needs to be integrated a bit better.
It's good to see Starstriders and Gellerpox return. I think I will pick up a second set of Gellerpox for conversion fodder.
New Warhammer+ Kill Team: Into the Dark Battle Report is played on 3D board instead of printed cardboard. The more I look at it, the less it looks like an actual plastic board awaiting to be released. If a plastic board exists, the studio table is more likely a conversion of it. Otherwise I can't figure out the maths and sprue setup required to build 22x30" board with 6x7 rooms.
Jack Flask wrote: For any of the more experienced KT players, would adding Helblasters (for Intercession) and Eliminators (for Phobos) as a 1 per team heavy weapon specialist be a positive addition?
I know there's a general restriction of marine heavy weapons compared to 40k (heavy bolter and missile launcher only, other than faction specific), but would a single plasma incinerator or bolt sniper rifle be overpowered at this scale?
I was surprised they didn't include hellblasters and heavy intercessors. Then I remembered the phobos team didn't have eliminators.
We used to do an intercessor team where there was an interchangable choice of assault, normal and heavy.
Here I don't see why the Hellblaster can't be either a 4EP upgrade and the Heavy intercessor a 1 for 1 choice (2AP is pretty harsh).
Woohoo! I wanted to paint both of those Kill Teams when they came out, but didn't have the money at the time. I am definitely nabbing them this time around.
Annual is finally here. And the Gellerpox & Starstriders return, great! A shame all the BSF models were left out from the Annual, but it compiles all the WD teams so far, plus missions with Sentry phase (which I quite like), so it's looking like a definite purchase for me. Then I will have all the KT21 rules & books from Season 1 sans the Compendium, which doesn't really interest me much aside from catering for 40K Crusade spinoff games. I see Compendium as a bridge for 40K, not as a "Proper" KillTeam publication. Compendium represents the old KT18 paradigm, proper KT21 content is more than "40K lite with no vehicles".
I never bought the White Dwarf issues with the new teams in them because I knew we'd get a compilation sooner or later. And I already bought Gellerpox & Starstriders from scalpers so I just need their rules. Sweet!
Haighus wrote: The WarCom Sunday preview says we can expect more info on "the future of kill team" this week. I guess this could outline the "season" structure?
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What more could there be aside from box every three months, old teams and scenery from prior box getting solo release somewhere after the next box comes each time.
Haighus wrote: The WarCom Sunday preview says we can expect more info on "the future of kill team" this week. I guess this could outline the "season" structure?
Or maybe they'll do for KT what they just did for Warcry, and give the names of the next 3 boxes but no details beyond that.
Warhammer Community wrote:The Gallowdark has a history that stretches back long before its discovery by humankind. More recent Imperial additions to its ancient mass give way to strange alien craft as explorers venture further, and its time in the warp has merged its constituent parts into strange new amalgams of alien and Imperial tech.
This is a pretty juicy nugget. To me, this strongly suggests some of the later boxes will have alien ship internals, rather than human ones!
Yeah, the next Kill Team box is a little late as it is, but even if it shows up in Sunday's pre-order announcement, Nova still happens before the box's release. GW isn't going to want to draw attention away from that.
Warhammer Community wrote:The Gallowdark has a history that stretches back long before its discovery by humankind. More recent Imperial additions to its ancient mass give way to strange alien craft as explorers venture further, and its time in the warp has merged its constituent parts into strange new amalgams of alien and Imperial tech.
This is a pretty juicy nugget. To me, this strongly suggests some of the later boxes will have alien ship internals, rather than human ones!
Strange new amalgams sounds to me like there will be visible alien design cues but the terrain still has enough Imperial look to it that it's aesthetically compatible with the first set of terrain.
Makes me think it would be good to get both Imperial, Xenos and in between terrain so you can have either, or, or both with a nice transition between them on the board.
Geifer wrote: Yeah, the next Kill Team box is a little late as it is, but even if it shows up in Sunday's pre-order announcement, Nova still happens before the box's release. GW isn't going to want to draw attention away from that.
Warhammer Community wrote:The Gallowdark has a history that stretches back long before its discovery by humankind. More recent Imperial additions to its ancient mass give way to strange alien craft as explorers venture further, and its time in the warp has merged its constituent parts into strange new amalgams of alien and Imperial tech.
This is a pretty juicy nugget. To me, this strongly suggests some of the later boxes will have alien ship internals, rather than human ones!
Strange new amalgams sounds to me like there will be visible alien design cues but the terrain still has enough Imperial look to it that it's aesthetically compatible with the first set of terrain.
Makes me think it would be good to get both Imperial, Xenos and in between terrain so you can have either, or, or both with a nice transition between them on the board.
Seems likely! We have 4 boxes. One Imperial, one transition, one xenos and ...? for box 4.
Article up today about the breachers. Nothing particularly exciting, but they talk a bit about Battlefleet: Gothic. Makes me wonder if that might be the next specialist game to return, and the Gallowdark arc is something of a tie-in.
Geifer wrote: Yeah, the next Kill Team box is a little late as it is, but even if it shows up in Sunday's pre-order announcement, Nova still happens before the box's release. GW isn't going to want to draw attention away from that.
Warhammer Community wrote:The Gallowdark has a history that stretches back long before its discovery by humankind. More recent Imperial additions to its ancient mass give way to strange alien craft as explorers venture further, and its time in the warp has merged its constituent parts into strange new amalgams of alien and Imperial tech.
This is a pretty juicy nugget. To me, this strongly suggests some of the later boxes will have alien ship internals, rather than human ones!
Strange new amalgams sounds to me like there will be visible alien design cues but the terrain still has enough Imperial look to it that it's aesthetically compatible with the first set of terrain.
Makes me think it would be good to get both Imperial, Xenos and in between terrain so you can have either, or, or both with a nice transition between them on the board.
Seems likely! We have 4 boxes. One Imperial, one transition, one xenos and ...? for box 4.
Article up today about the breachers. Nothing particularly exciting, but they talk a bit about Battlefleet: Gothic. Makes me wonder if that might be the next specialist game to return, and the Gallowdark arc is something of a tie-in.
One can dream...
Two transitions, maybe? One more clearly Imperial, the other leaning heavier in the Xenos direction?
Scottywan82 wrote: I'm hoping we get some Tyranid bio-ship parts on one and some Eldar craftworld wraithbone scenery on another.
If the theme as suggested in that article is pre-Imperial, I'm not sure we should expect Tyranids or Tau.
I have to wonder if it's going to be another chance to show something new instead of a known Xenos race, like they did with Blackstone Fortress and the drones.
My choice for the next expansion would be some major ship part, and old combat bridge, gun deck or reactor room. Something to combine together with the corridors to start having a Kill team boarding action.
If the theme as suggested in that article is pre-Imperial, I'm not sure we should expect Tyranids or Tau.
I have to wonder if it's going to be another chance to show something new instead of a known Xenos race, like they did with Blackstone Fortress and the drones.
I would love it if they managed to avoid retreading both genestealers and be-tentacled chaos cruft.
Bio-organic monstrosities are feeling a bit tired.
Tastyfish wrote: My choice for the next expansion would be some major ship part, and old combat bridge, gun deck or reactor room. Something to combine together with the corridors to start having a Kill team boarding action.
The recent video talking about the Gallowdark also was implying that the Space Hulk had differently themed ships from other factions, which I’m kind of hoping is a tease for different terrain.
I've been playing around with my Octarius Terrain the last few days, it certainly could be used as the inside of an ork ship with the bulkheads, tanks, water/void tight doors on the terrain (they just don't move like the new doors).
If we get a Hive ship board in one of the expansions, you almost could play Advanced Space Crusade / Tyranid Attack in KT21. Rules for both Scouts and Tyranid Warriors exist, as well as rules for Purestrain Genestealers (and Broodcoven obvs).
The new campaign system for IttD might already have some familar aspects of that system, who knows... Oh man, ASC was such an awesome game..
As for this "Roadmap" — Thanks for nothing, GW. It's not as if we didn't already know this season will have four boxes..
Same as they did for Warcry, hopefully Gallowfall is about blowing it, by overloading various war engines of it's component vessels.
Soul shackle could be an option for Daemon, Necron or Dark eldar teams (perhaps Dark mechanicus).
They do keep emphasising that there is a story running through it, so I'd assume that there's an Imperial team in each box with Storm Troopers being the guys sent into the Shadowvaults to reclaim it after the Breachers have located, secured and restored atmosphere to the route in.
Finding whatever is in Soulshackle, we'd then be talking Grey Knights or Inquisition.
"In 972.M41, a daemon warband was banished to the Immaterium by the Grey Knights for crimes against the Imperium. These daemons promptly escaped from the Warp to the space hulk Gallowdark. Today, still hunted by the Ordo Malleus, they survive as agents of Chaos. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can bind them....maybe you can enter into a blasphemous pact with The Undivided-Team."
chaos0xomega wrote: "In 972.M41, a daemon warband was banished to the Immaterium by the Grey Knights for crimes against the Imperium. These daemons promptly escaped from the Warp to the space hulk Gallowdark. Today, still hunted by the Ordo Malleus, they survive as agents of Chaos. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can bind them....maybe you can enter into a blasphemous pact with The Undivided-Team."
lol... theyre special wargear is corrugated steel shields and jeeps that always flip.
schoon wrote: I'd guess that each of the 4 sets will have its own flavor of terrain, related to one of the two factions in the box.
Tyranids would seem obvious for one...
The terrain is all going to fit together though, so it won’t be too crazy different.
One big set split into four basically I’d assume. Maybe wall variants and that sort of thing.
Some actual different ships in the Hulk would be very cool though, but I just don’t see them doing it.
Nice to have names of boxes though it doesn’t tell us much.
To compare future of Warcry and future of Kill Team articles:
WARCRY
Warcry will now follow in the footsteps of Kill Team, with new boxed sets every three months. Each box will contain more scenery that takes you even deeper into the twisted forests of Ghur.
What’s more, each one will contain two brand-new warbands. Yes, brand-new – no upgrade sprues, no existing kits.
KILL TEAM
There are more expansion boxes on the way too – each containing two full kill teams, more unique terrain, new missions, and new rules.
I wonder if there is a reason why brand-new - no upgrade sprues, no existing kits is mentioned in Warcry article but not Kill Team. Should we expect more upgrade sprue Kill Teams?
"In 972.M41, a daemon warband was banished to the Immaterium by the Grey Knights for crimes against the Imperium. These daemons promptly escaped from the Warp to the space hulk Gallowdark. Today, still hunted by the Ordo Malleus, they survive as agents of Chaos. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can bind them....maybe you can enter into a blasphemous pact with The Undivided-Team."
Khornate Daemon: *wakes up* What happened? Where am I? *gets enraged* How did I get here?
Slaaneshi Daemon: We're on a ship.
Nurglite Daemon: *cackles gleefully* On a... *Slaaneshi Daemon glares at him*
Slaaneshi Daemon: It's a ship, happily sailing away. Just sailing.
Khornate Daemon: You put me on a spaceship, fool! Spaceships fly!
Tzeentchian Daemon: *lights cigar* I love it when things go Just As Planned (TzeentchM)
You're giving me ideas. Don't give me ideas! I have too many models to work on as is!
I wouldn't be surprised if the current trend of upgrade packs continues. I would also expect a new starter set with a stripped down version of the new box later this year
jullevi wrote: To compare future of Warcry and future of Kill Team articles:
WARCRY
Warcry will now follow in the footsteps of Kill Team, with new boxed sets every three months. Each box will contain more scenery that takes you even deeper into the twisted forests of Ghur.
What’s more, each one will contain two brand-new warbands. Yes, brand-new – no upgrade sprues, no existing kits.
KILL TEAM
There are more expansion boxes on the way too – each containing two full kill teams, more unique terrain, new missions, and new rules.
I wonder if there is a reason why brand-new - no upgrade sprues, no existing kits is mentioned in Warcry article but not Kill Team. Should we expect more upgrade sprue Kill Teams?
I think that is a fairly safe bet. There's only so much that can be done in terms of providing a unique kill team/complete new kit in some ranges that wouldn't step on the role of already established units lore wise. Whilst is may have been nice to have a unique Phobos kill team of unique sculpts, same with chaos marines, or tau pathfinders, the upgrade sprues provide as much diversity.
I also can't see them fleshing out too many niche individual factions with a squad too much.
The only time I can perceive a completely new kit of already existing units being made is if the unit itself is getting a new kit.
jullevi wrote: To compare future of Warcry and future of Kill Team articles:
WARCRY
Warcry will now follow in the footsteps of Kill Team, with new boxed sets every three months. Each box will contain more scenery that takes you even deeper into the twisted forests of Ghur.
What’s more, each one will contain two brand-new warbands. Yes, brand-new – no upgrade sprues, no existing kits.
KILL TEAM
There are more expansion boxes on the way too – each containing two full kill teams, more unique terrain, new missions, and new rules.
I wonder if there is a reason why brand-new - no upgrade sprues, no existing kits is mentioned in Warcry article but not Kill Team. Should we expect more upgrade sprue Kill Teams?
I mean Kasrkin are going to be a Guard unit and have Space Hulk bases, so there's at least one upgrade sprue unit. If Votan sneak in I expect the same there too - new kits but upgrade sprue for a unit rather than Kill team unique.
As for Daemons, I could easily see a Nighthaunt style ghost ship rather than a band of lesser deamons. Or Enslavers (there's a few Rogue Trader era warp creatures that are technically unaligned, less obviously aligned daemons - psychneunin, vampires, enslavers and the Rogue Trader RPG added more).
They're based entirely separately to the rest of the army, despite being in the same camo colours.
They might be fighting on a different battlemat (a hanger, or engine room with floor markings), but they're definitely going to be for Kill Team or some other spin off.
Kanluwen wrote: Kasrkin aren't "space hulk" bases. They're rubbled up streets...owing to the fact that they showcase them on Zone Mortalis tiles.
They're on bases that look identical to the other kill team bases and do not match the other guard units in the picture. Add that to the existing leaks of a Kasrkin kill team and it's very obvious that one is coming and the only inaccuracy in the leak was about the exact release order.
The new terrain sets are going to be Space Hulk based to keep up with the theme of the boxed set. roughly half of what's in the game box will be in the upcoming warzone set, to add on to an already affected Hulk... different levels, and ladders was mentioned.
There's supposed to be a follow on for the Rogue Trader set that came out in Kill Team 1, and the updated rules for the Geller Pox, and the Rogue Trader Crew in the compendium, or somewhere coming up soon-ish. THIS iteration of Kill Team is based on the Space Hulk: Gallowdark, so all the scenery and warzone sets are supposed to be based around aspects of Space Hulks. Shadow Vaults, Soulshackle, and Gallowfall are some of the names of the sets , so far.
There's another Season locals campaign going on, as well.
I had a friend of a friends tell me about some Squats, too. Newer ones later in the year.
Of course, you didn't hear it from me.
I've got a couple of the new Chaos Legionary kill teams. The kits are quite impressive, enough for me to add 1 each to a Word Bearer army, AND the Black Legion.
Nice to see GW showcasing conversions. The assassin isn't holding a head, the tech-priest guy has a different head, etc. Also fun to see the fantastic FW World Eater head upgrade being used. Though it looks like the marines are the Corpus Brethern, who are a nurgle warband. Not sure why they'd have a Khornate guy...
They might be the personal armies of people at the studio. They do that sometimes.
Jack Flask wrote: That's about as psychic as reading the weekly paper and then declaring that next week will also have news, sports, and comics
Not really. What I said would happen is exactly what happened. I made that prediction because I have exceptionally low expectations of GW, and they always strive to meet if not fall short of those expectations, every time.
That and you clearly haven't got a funny bone in your entire body...
So the Gellerpox Infected, the Rogue Trader crew and the Traitor Comissar & Ogryn came into KT. Odds on the BSF adventurers and Zoat popping up somewhere?
The new campaign system for IttD might already have some familar aspects of that system, who knows... Oh man, ASC was such an awesome game..
Conversely, my memory of it was picking lists (from WD) and playing a full game... that took 3 days. Wow grinding through that ship was time consuming.
JWBS wrote: I hope some of the new terrain includes Imperial sector type stuff, or maybe Fronteris or Indomitus style.
I mean killteam is clearly going to stay within variations of space hulk kff the next year.
However 40K is due some new terrain soon mainly because they completely butchered all existing terrain. It’s the first time in forever I haven’t seen Gw sell any decent kind of sight blocking terrain for 40K.
Took me almost a year to paint up the Octarius box and the two teams that came with it.
So if I spend 100% of my hobby time on KT, I might get to play one set of scenarios per season, one year after release (basically at the same time they are replaced by the new season).
This pace of releases is crazy, and this is just one of the (minor) game systems.
Took me almost a year to paint up the Octarius box and the two teams that came with it.
So if I spend 100% of my hobby time on KT, I might get to play one set of scenarios per season, one year after release (basically at the same time they are replaced by the new season).
This pace of releases is crazy, and this is just one of the (minor) game systems.
The pace is pretty hectic, agreed. My approach has been to buy all the books and Killzones from the first Season into reserva, now I have rest of my life to finish making all that terrain LOL. I see KT21 as a system I can be playing for years to come, even if they stopped here, there is already quite a lot of content for it. If you play all the missions with all the bespoke teams, that'll take a while to plow through.. Combining all that with 40K Crusade and we're talking years if not a decade of replayability..
However 40K is due some new terrain soon mainly because they completely butchered all existing terrain. It’s the first time in forever I haven’t seen Gw sell any decent kind of sight blocking terrain for 40K.
Took me almost a year to paint up the Octarius box and the two teams that came with it.
So if I spend 100% of my hobby time on KT, I might get to play one set of scenarios per season, one year after release (basically at the same time they are replaced by the new season).
This pace of releases is crazy, and this is just one of the (minor) game systems.
Yes. It is pretty much enough for the average gamers to have all their hobby time devoted to just this system.
I would have been happy with 1 box set a year of new terrain and 2 teams, 1 new team a quarter after that (maybe in the style of the old KT with a bit of terrain and mission building on the box set) and a steady stream of decent legacy teams in WD (so Box, WD, Gap, Team, WD, Gap, Team, WD, Gap, Team, compendium with new team). Its great they are supporting it, but I can't see how it isn't crowding out their other products?
In this 'space' (small model count games) they have Underworlds, Warcry, 'Quest, Blood Bowl, Necromunda, AI and AT. Necro is getting lots of releases, Underworlds and warcry and hanging in there, Blood Bowl comes and goes, 'Quest is a bit messed up and AI and AT may start to sell again. Still its a big roster with more released than you can keep up with in a year, and that is assuming you don't play AoS or 40K. Even if you think fantasy players don't do the 40k stuff, that still leaves a fair amount of cross over with Necro?
As a random tossout, there was a rumour of an Explorator Kill-Team in the last edition. Might crop up here instead?
That said, I think Kill Team and WarCry are different beasts. Simply adding sprues to AoS kits doesn't make a new "feel" to a unit used as a base like it does for KT.
Is it too much to hope for that we get a Hrud kill team? It's pure speculation, but the fact that they mention in today's article that Ambull, clawed fiends, and necrons have all been released and then say "wonder whos next?" when showing that old image gives me hope.
Sadly though, kill teams all fit in existing factions and unless they count as Tau auxiliary, Hruds are factionless
GaroRobe wrote: Is it too much to hope for that we get a Hrud kill team? It's pure speculation, but the fact that they mention in today's article that Ambull, clawed fiends, and necrons have all been released and then say "wonder whos next?" when showing that old image gives me hope.
Sadly though, kill teams all fit in existing factions and unless they count as Tau auxiliary, Hruds are factionless
Kill Team would be as much a natural home for those without a Codex as Warhammer Quest, as their presence doesn’t really require them to be a galactic mover and shaker.
Took me almost a year to paint up the Octarius box and the two teams that came with it.
So if I spend 100% of my hobby time on KT, I might get to play one set of scenarios per season, one year after release (basically at the same time they are replaced by the new season).
This pace of releases is crazy, and this is just one of the (minor) game systems.
Took me almost a year to paint up the Octarius box and the two teams that came with it.
So if I spend 100% of my hobby time on KT, I might get to play one set of scenarios per season, one year after release (basically at the same time they are replaced by the new season).
This pace of releases is crazy, and this is just one of the (minor) game systems.
And yet people complained at the slow pace of release for the Necromunda gangs. They've cranked up the pace here, possibly too far?
Took me almost a year to paint up the Octarius box and the two teams that came with it.
So if I spend 100% of my hobby time on KT, I might get to play one set of scenarios per season, one year after release (basically at the same time they are replaced by the new season).
This pace of releases is crazy, and this is just one of the (minor) game systems.
And yet people complained at the slow pace of release for the Necromunda gangs. They've cranked up the pace here, possibly too far?
People complained that for a game with six factions only two of them had anything at the start of the game, very much unlike the other two iterations of the same game. Plus, KT started with a (very bad, yes, but playable) compendium with lists for basically everything from 40k, and the models were already out for those. Pretty different situation.
Took me almost a year to paint up the Octarius box and the two teams that came with it.
So if I spend 100% of my hobby time on KT, I might get to play one set of scenarios per season, one year after release (basically at the same time they are replaced by the new season).
This pace of releases is crazy, and this is just one of the (minor) game systems.
And yet people complained at the slow pace of release for the Necromunda gangs. They've cranked up the pace here, possibly too far?
People mostly complained at the slow pace of release for Necromunda, because things that got rules actual years ago never got an actual model to go with them. It's also a bit frustrating when FW sometimes wastes a release slot on something like the recent Goliath Forge Boss that looks like a simple conversion job and is equipped with a loadout no sane man would ever give him.
Took me almost a year to paint up the Octarius box and the two teams that came with it.
So if I spend 100% of my hobby time on KT, I might get to play one set of scenarios per season, one year after release (basically at the same time they are replaced by the new season).
This pace of releases is crazy, and this is just one of the (minor) game systems.
My KT group plays weekly so it's been pretty nice to have some new scenarios and such every few months.
Anyone wanna guess how a 6x7 grid fits onto a 22x30 board? It's already obvious that you can't merge two boards without throwing off the gird but there are probably other crimes of design going on.
SamusDrake wrote: Might get Blooded as extra TG models for Blackstone Fortress. It'll be interesting to see what the price of the Annual is...
I got Blooded and BSF, and have been very tempted to add the new 40k cultists box into the mix! Now with Chaos Daemon soup being easy to pull off, might even get a bunch of Tzeentchian Daemon stuff to round out the collection. That's quite a lot of cultist models and traitor guard, most being unique sculpts no less
As for the Annual, I'd wager the price being same as Compendium. can't be too far off.
lord_blackfang wrote: Anyone wanna guess how a 6x7 grid fits onto a 22x30 board? It's already obvious that you can't merge two boards without throwing off the gird but there are probably other crimes of design going on.
If I had to guess, I’d say you don’t. I’m guessing this board isn’t 22x30 but more like 24x28, giving you 4 inch squares.
I got Blooded and BSF, and have been very tempted to add the new 40k cultists box into the mix! Now with Chaos Daemon soup being easy to pull off, might even get a bunch of Tzeentchian Daemon stuff to round out the collection. That's quite a lot of cultist models and traitor guard, most being unique sculpts no less
As for the Annual, I'd wager the price being same as Compendium. can't be too far off.
IttD next week, sweet!
Wouldn't it be great if the Ambull showed up again? I've love another one of those guys...
lord_blackfang wrote: Anyone wanna guess how a 6x7 grid fits onto a 22x30 board? It's already obvious that you can't merge two boards without throwing off the gird but there are probably other crimes of design going on.
If I had to guess, I’d say you don’t. I’m guessing this board isn’t 22x30 but more like 24x28, giving you 4 inch squares.
My guess is it's 32" long, but closer to 28" wide.
Hey GW, there are more weeks (read: paydays) in the year. No need to drop a new box, the contents of another box and two more teams and a book in the same week. Instead one big load and they’ll roll over and start snoring for the next three months.
Chairman Aeon wrote: Hey GW, there are more weeks (read: paydays) in the year. No need to drop a new box, the contents of another box and two more teams and a book in the same week. Instead one big load and they’ll roll over and start snoring for the next three months.
You don't have to buy it all day of release. The teams will still be there for months.
I'm really hoping that the Gellerpox get 40k rules and that they can be put into an army without affecting the Contagions. After all, the Death Guard created them.
It's a bit annoying that Traitor Comissar and Ogryn are included in the Chaos Traitor Guardsmen set. It makes sense as a Kill Team product but greatly reduces the temptation to pick multiple kits for 40k.
jullevi wrote: It's a bit annoying that Traitor Comissar and Ogryn are included in the Chaos Traitor Guardsmen set. It makes sense as a Kill Team product but greatly reduces the temptation to pick multiple kits for 40k.
On the bright side, if/when that kit comes out for 40k, it'll be cheaper.
Of course, it probably won't have the upgrade sprue either, so...
I got Blooded and BSF, and have been very tempted to add the new 40k cultists box into the mix! Now with Chaos Daemon soup being easy to pull off, might even get a bunch of Tzeentchian Daemon stuff to round out the collection. That's quite a lot of cultist models and traitor guard, most being unique sculpts no less
As for the Annual, I'd wager the price being same as Compendium. can't be too far off.
IttD next week, sweet!
Wouldn't it be great if the Ambull showed up again? I've love another one of those guys...
Yes it would.. But I already have a partially built one I bought from ebay and AFAIK the kit was monopose so.. I suppose one could convert the pose to a different one?
Would be fun to see the KT21 stats for an Ambull tho! How many wounds would it even have - 20, 30, more?
