Danny76 wrote: I should hope cheaper.
Dropping rulebook and extra paraphernalia, then gaining one upgrade sprue (other terrain sprue numbers the same right?)
Shadowvaults has the same amount of walls and pillars but one sprue of (new) accessories instead two.
I wonder how the new models will fit into the necron codex? I could see the Apprentek being to a Cryptek what a lord is to an overlord. However, how is the despotek going to fit in? A unit upgrade for a unit of immortals or deathmarks? What role will it fill?
Will the plasmacytes be useable with units other than destroyers?
endlesswaltz123 wrote: Same, I bought 2x copies of into the dark. I will buy the Karskin separately when they are released and await the next set incase of different terrain.
With the terrain being sold separately anyway it's not rush on any future box to buy unless the terrain is truly unique.
Yeah I debated getting two boxes of the intro set, glad I didn't.
It's a bit weird that they prioritised the massive tactical rock for a plasmacyte over an extra set of legs - looks like the legs is the only piece needed for the Apprentek.
Any bets on whether the necron team get 40k rules updates or not? Seems feasible that it's a counts as HQ box with 2 crypteks and a royal warden plus spare parts.
The WarCom simply erred in posting a pic of the Necron team containing 4 deathmarks. The team is an elite, 6 model team plus 2 pets.
The question remains what the force composition looks like. Can one freely choose between deathmarks and gauss/tesla immortals? Can one go to 8 immortal/deathmarks if one eschews the technomancer/apprentek?
Imagine wasting THAT much sprue space for a god awful giant piece of rubble for the base of one of the plasmacyte instead of using it to add more heads and doodads to upgrade the immortals/deathmarks.
Hell they could have used that space to slap a new special heavy weapon option in there which would have been nice, but naaaah.
That also makes the fact that they intentionally went out of their way to NOT include legs for the apprentek (what and AWFUL name) so you are forced to sacrifice another mini (yes I know, you can model it yourself, that's not the point) even more insulting, there was clearly enough space to add it, but they decided not to, god forbid that kit would give you an extra miniature!
On the bright side, at least said giant rubble isn't directly molded with the plasmacyte so it shouldn't be too hard to pose it without it (because god forbid you don't want to base your army with imperial ruin as GW decided you should).
Also funnily enough that upgrade sprue seems to be a perfect replacement (for the now strangely OOP) Lokhust destroyer lord kit.
Take the apprentek arms and the despotek (thos names.... jeezuz GW) torso and head and you get a way better looking destroyer lord than what the old kit could have given you.
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Necronmaniac05 wrote: I wonder how the new models will fit into the necron codex? I could see the Apprentek being to a Cryptek what a lord is to an overlord. However, how is the despotek going to fit in? A unit upgrade for a unit of immortals or deathmarks? What role will it fill?
Will the plasmacytes be useable with units other than destroyers?
2 possibilities here:
The most likely, they go the same (stupid) way they went with the Chaos Marines and have the despotek and apprentek be 2 new "upgrade" for the unit, one being a mini cryptek and the other being a mini royal warden.
My guess on what they do would be a squad FNP for the cryptek and a squad reroll for another mobilty/damage buff for the despotek.
The thing is, there's also 2 different Plasmacyte comming with that kid, by their name its pretty clear that one give a reanimation protocol bonus and the other give a move bonus. These 2 could also be added as additional options, but at this point it starts to make the unit strangely... option heavy for a necron unit.
The other option, which is way less likely, is that the Apprentek will be its own new unit and the plasmacytes will be options for him. They could either make him a cheaper technomancer without options and the access to the Arkana, or maybe they realized that the miniature that was supposed to be the Technomancer with controle nod got miss used as last year's anniversary so they are going to make him that thing.
But the fact that they intentionally went out of their way to not give him his own legs, thus directly tying him to the immortal unit makes me think he will 100% be a new upgrade for them the same way the balefire tome is now an option for the legionaries.
The more I think about it, the more an idea of doing Vet Guard vs Karskin fights in KT21 appeals to me. Has a Necromundish vibe to it.
If I remove most of the aquilas, these two teams can even represent generic human army soldiers from made up factions (or ex Imperial worlds gone independent). This fits in beautifully with my headcanon, which includes plenty of non-Imperial worlds, existing independently from the IoM.
Lord Damocles wrote: Or they'll go the Novitiates route, and there won't be rules for any of the specialists in the basic 40K unit.
True, but outside of the Corsaires all the KT new kits, especially the upgrade ones, ended up being a way for GW to fluff up a bit the datasheet of existing units.
The Corsairs were clearly a test run to see how they could bring specialist from TK to 40k, and its pretty clear that they realized having them as awkward addon to a unit wasn't the best idea ever so they shifted to a simpler model where the specialist that are represented with a specific piece of gear would just end up as a new wargear option (like the bale fire tome, which I'm surprised wasn't bundled with the daemon blade ngl).
I wouldn't be surprised if in 10th they'll revise the corsair to remove all the specialists and (HOPEFULLY) make them HQ instead.
As for the Necrons in question, while I'm incredibly disappointed by how bad (and intentionally) GW missed the mark with that upgrade kit, they literally just had to remove that awful giant metal beam and replace it with a pair of legs for the Apprentek (watch me greenstuff some Plasmamancer style tentacle legs for that guy GW), I still have some hope good things will come out of it for the necrons.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Despotek ended up not making the cut for 40k (an optional sergeant would be nice, but I wont lose sleep over it), same for the deathmark's heads (and god knows the poof lads need help), I don't think GW won't do anything with that Apprentek.
Since he is sadly definitely tied to the unit (because legs), he will obviously end up as a unit upgrade, replacing its gun with a Staff of Light (which has, funnily enough, the same damage profile than the Immortal's Gauss blasters, just with a shorter range and more shots. It also comes with a bonus 2AP on the 1A, nothing to write home but better than nothing), probably keeping the same stats for streamlining sake (which funnily enough would make him the beefiest of the cryptek, ignoring the W ofc) and bringing some cryptek style support ability to the unit to help it live a bit more to its name.
That effect could range from a FNP to a rite or reanimation or any other reanimation style effect you could think of. Hell, maybe GW is going to be very smart for once and make him an option for the deathmarks too, giving them some shooting buffs, but I doubt it).
I can see that be a 10-20 pt upgrade, which may be well worth it on 10 model unit you'd want to move to the center of the board and tank while drawing as much fire as possible.
Now the real question here is what will thos Plasmacytes do? At first I thought they would be add-ons to the already optional Apprentek, but that wouldn't make much sens or fit with the already existing Canoptek Plasmacytes which they are clearly related to.
A cool idea here would be to have them be an update to the existing Canoptek Plasmacyte datasheet.
They would now have 3 "gear option" (or protocol).
One would be the existing one (Infused Madness) that increase mele capability.
One would be a reanimation related effect (for the reanimator).
One would be a mobility related effect (for the accelerator)
This would help a bit to make that unit a bit more interesting and versatile than what it is right now.
Or.... they could just be extra minies treated as standard Canoptek Plasmacyte just in case you didn't have enough of them already (despite them literally coming with the units they are supposed to support), because GW couldn't be arsed to make something clever. Knowing GW that is a very strong possibility.
Just a quick question for anyone in the know. Is Shadowvaults able to be played without Into the Dark? I ended up skipping because I’m not a huge Kroot fan, and would like Shadowvaults. I have Octarius and Moroch and all the rulebooks/tokens/cards etc.
Sabotage! wrote: Just a quick question for anyone in the know. Is Shadowvaults able to be played without Into the Dark? I ended up skipping because I’m not a huge Kroot fan, and would like Shadowvaults. I have Octarius and Moroch and all the rulebooks/tokens/cards etc.
I should hope so. Only things you might be missing are the generic "Close Confines Game Rules", but those are like 2 pages max (weapons with blast/torrent etc gain 5+ lethal, guard, no tac ops in matched play...), but I cannot confirm this info
Insularum wrote: It's a bit weird that they prioritised the massive tactical rock for a plasmacyte over an extra set of legs - looks like the legs is the only piece needed for the Apprentek.
Any bets on whether the necron team get 40k rules updates or not? Seems feasible that it's a counts as HQ box with 2 crypteks and a royal warden plus spare parts.
So should we carve the legs out of sprue, make crawling Apprenteks or hovering ones?
Sabotage! wrote: Just a quick question for anyone in the know. Is Shadowvaults able to be played without Into the Dark? I ended up skipping because I’m not a huge Kroot fan, and would like Shadowvaults. I have Octarius and Moroch and all the rulebooks/tokens/cards etc.
I should hope so. Only things you might be missing are the generic "Close Confines Game Rules", but those are like 2 pages max (weapons with blast/torrent etc gain 5+ lethal, guard, no tac ops in matched play...), but I cannot confirm this info
Yeah, I hope so as well. It seems weird I couldn’t find (at least what I consider) such important info about the box in their various articles or announcements for it. Maybe I’m just overlooking it. Seems like it wouldn’t be hard to print those few pages in the Shadowvaults book as well. Either way the reviews for the product will come out later today and hopefully I’ll be able to watch one or two and get that info.
Hopefully answering the question of whether there are 9 or 8 Necron models included, what rules are reprinted from Into the Dark and what are missing, and how much new terrain there really is.
Sabotage! wrote: Just a quick question for anyone in the know. Is Shadowvaults able to be played without Into the Dark? I ended up skipping because I’m not a huge Kroot fan, and would like Shadowvaults. I have Octarius and Moroch and all the rulebooks/tokens/cards etc.
I should hope so. Only things you might be missing are the generic "Close Confines Game Rules", but those are like 2 pages max (weapons with blast/torrent etc gain 5+ lethal, guard, no tac ops in matched play...), but I cannot confirm this info
Wouldn’t the Clos Confunes stuff be in the Shadowvaults book, assuming it was in the ItD book prior.
My assumption would be, have the rulebook, get this and all set.
Sabotage! wrote: Just a quick question for anyone in the know. Is Shadowvaults able to be played without Into the Dark? I ended up skipping because I’m not a huge Kroot fan, and would like Shadowvaults. I have Octarius and Moroch and all the rulebooks/tokens/cards etc.
I should hope so. Only things you might be missing are the generic "Close Confines Game Rules", but those are like 2 pages max (weapons with blast/torrent etc gain 5+ lethal, guard, no tac ops in matched play...), but I cannot confirm this info
Yes it is. It has the Close Quarters rules, Killzone: Gallowdark rules, and Killzone: Shadowvaults rules (for the unique scatter terrain and turrets). It only misses the Killzone: Into the Dark rules, which is 1 page of rules covering the scatter terrain from the Into the Dark box.
stahly wrote: Yes it is. It has the Close Quarters rules, Killzone: Gallowdark rules, and Killzone: Shadowvaults rules (for the unique scatter terrain and turrets). It only misses the Killzone: Into the Dark rules, which is 1 page of rules covering the scatter terrain from the Into the Dark box.
I hope you are able to do some scale comparison pics of the new models, especially if you have old metal Kasrkin to compare the new ones with.
stahly wrote: Yes it is. It has the Close Quarters rules, Killzone: Gallowdark rules, and Killzone: Shadowvaults rules (for the unique scatter terrain and turrets). It only misses the Killzone: Into the Dark rules, which is 1 page of rules covering the scatter terrain from the Into the Dark box.
I hope you are able to do some scale comparison pics of the new models, especially if you have old metal Kasrkin to compare the new ones with.
Yeah will do once I get my box from customs. I don't have metal Kasrkin, but plastic Cadians, Vostroyans, plastic Death Korps, and Traitor Guard
Hopefully answering the question of whether there are 9 or 8 Necron models included, what rules are reprinted from Into the Dark and what are missing, and how much new terrain there really is.
Thanks Stahly! Great review and you answered my question about what rules were printed perfectly.
Think imma pass on this one after all, just getting the book and Kaskrin separately at some point.
If every box in this season comes with the same base terrain set, I'll just get one more box of the spaceship walls kit and the books separately. Plus any odd team which tickles my fancy. Not into adding redundant spaceship terrain into my piles of shame thx
Unlike their Compendium counterparts, the Hierotek Circle aren’t limited to a single Tactical Ploy.
We all knew this is what they were doing, but to actually say it out loud...
Sorry, what are they doing, and what did they say out loud?
We suspect that planned power creep throughout an edition of 40k or AoS is the norm. We also suspect the Compendium armies weren't just lazy, but part of a simple plan to release poor copies of each faction then replace them with the finished product new kill teams. Its just a little sad to see them patting themselves on the back about it. Look how we made the new version of this army better than compendium by giving them more than one Ploy!
I was surprised how quickly this one sold out given the terrain was repeated.
Been burnt too many times by Wayland saying they have stock and it never coming. I would guess if it has sold out with GW, they will not be getting any extra! Wayland is too eager to take your money IMO!
Darksphere is showing second print run available 20th Oct, but like Wayland they will pre-sell w/o stock at every opportunity (illustrated by the fact that, by their own admission, the second run is released in December). Must assume there will be another run of this product with all sellers at some point.
Earlier we were informed not only that Games Workshop had sold out of both their retail and trade stock of Kill Team: Shadowvaults in all languages but that our full inventory of Shadowvaults would not be fulfilled. We have also been made aware that they no longer have plans on moving forward with a second wave of product, including a made to order version. We were only made aware of this fact today, which sadly means we now have unfulfillable orders on our system.
In the interest of fairness, we are conducting first come first serve fulfilment of the stock, while still working closely with Games Workshop to resolve the situation best we can.
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Everything in the box will get released separately though I guess?
Yep. Just got that as well. What’s more annoying is that they have been sending that out to people for several days now so they didn’t only find out today but have known for some time.
They might be sending the messages in batches, as some providers will block anyone sending out hundreds of bulk emails in one go if they don't usually do that. Plus they'll want to leave an allowance for regular order update emails to go out.
They got 50 copies (for example no idea on actual numbers), they had 500 preorders so cancelled the lot and have gone for a first come first served model to sell what they got
not sure why they didn't just sell the 50 to the people who preordered first though? (i'd have thought there were time stamps on it?)
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: They got 50 copies (for example no idea on actual numbers), they had 500 preorders so cancelled the lot and have gone for a first come first served model to sell what they got
not sure why they didn't just sell the 50 to the people who preordered first though? (i'd have thought there were time stamps on it?)
Where are you getting that from?
I thought they meant of the existing “500” they did a first come first served method and picked “1-50” and cancelled “51-500”
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MajorWesJanson wrote: Or Kasrkin for Guard and Necrons as one of the 2 face armies of the edition are a lot higher interest/demand than Kroot and Navy were.
Could be true for the Kasrkin, but the necron side of thing is not very exiting tbh, especially since we still don't know how thos things will translate in 40k and the immortal kit has always been the one GW has used to pad Necron boxes for a while now, so what you really want there is just a tiny upgrade sprue.
I think it could also simply be the fact that the box is just a bit more fairly priced compared to the previous one, to the point that I almost feel tempted to get it, resell the karskin et get a free terain and book as bonus for my cryptek and immortal+ bundle.
(HN) wrote: Could be true for the Kasrkin, but the necron side of thing is not very exiting tbh, especially since we still don't know how thos things will translate in 40k and the immortal kit has always been the one GW has used to pad Necron boxes for a while now, so what you really want there is just a tiny upgrade sprue.
The Immortals are not only troops, but the box also builds nice sniper unit. You also get two (three/better sarge?) characters and buffing bots in the deal. You'd need a really big Necron army to not want any of these, compared to this, the upgrade sprue (which only is of interest for the minor Tek, really, because all it offers for other units is just a handful of variant heads) is pretty minor deal, I feel.
In fact, the deal is so good I have no idea how GW will offer it in standalone box. Because if they make it just 5 dudes + sprue without Cryptek, it will be one of the worst KT boxes, but I just can't see offering it all in box priced same as the other teams.
Then again they might do so, in previous KT edition their character boxes were priced the same which funnily enough made some of them far cheaper than the same character in 40K box despite extras KT had thrown in...
Irbis wrote: The Immortals are not only troops, but the box also builds nice sniper unit.
I fail to see how that contradict what I just said about the fact that Immortals have been by far the most overused box padding for necrons for a while now.
Just look at the combat patrol. You get 10 of them there.
And... you know that the "nice sniper" (aka one of the wort unit in the codex) are build off the same sprue, right? If you build a sniper you can't build an immortal.
Irbis wrote: You also get two (three/better sarge?) characters and buffing bots in the deal.
Why are you trying to argue with me while clearly not having a clue about wtf you are trying to argue about?
What you get here is a single upgrade sprue which is, as we just discussed, frankly underwhelming and intentionally poorly designed.
Again, as we just discussed, we still have no idea what this sprue will mean for 40k (just go check my speculation if you care).
Irbis wrote: You'd need a really big Necron army to not want any of these
Not really no. Literally the very first thing you should always brab when starting a necron army is some immortals and a technomancer, aka exactly what this box contain.
It's like having intercessor and lieutenant in a box. If you play marines, that's the last thing you are looking for.
Irbis wrote: compared to this, the upgrade sprue (which only is of interest for the minor Tek, really, because all it offers for other units is just a handful of variant heads) is pretty minor deal, I feel.
Execpt, yaknow, it's the new part and thus what we care about because if we really wanted to buy some immortals for our necron armies, I doubt a very overpriced box packed with terrain and rules for a game we don't really care would be our best go to choice, and this is precisly the problem, the only part really interesting here for the necon is a small and botched upgrade sprue.
Irbis wrote: In fact, the deal is so good I have no idea how GW will offer it in standalone box. Because if they make it just 5 dudes + sprue without Cryptek, it will be one of the worst KT boxes, but I just can't see offering it all in box priced same as the other teams.
Welp, they are going to the exact same thing than what they did for the other upgrade sprue teams, simply inflate the price of the box a bit.
Let's hope they realize that the sprue is very mediocre and just round up the immortal price to 45 (from 42$) rather than slapping the usual +5 they have done so far.
Irbis wrote: Then again they might do so, in previous KT edition their character boxes were priced the same which funnily enough made some of them far cheaper than the same character in 40K box despite extras KT had thrown in...
I don't know what you are talking about, but it's pretty clear that this team wont get "a box" with the technomancer bundled with the immortals, not only because the team itself can take any of the cryptek, not just the technomancer, but also because it would just make make the thing unsellable for the majority of players (ie 40k players).
Just like the legionaries they will sell the "kill team immortal" box until 10, then just make it the default for 40k. (I'm surprise they even bother with the "kill team" box and don't just directly repackage the 40k box like they did for the Tau Strike Team.
Then again they might do so, in previous KT edition their character boxes were priced the same which funnily enough made some of them far cheaper than the same character in 40K box despite extras KT had thrown in...
The Blooded box costs the same as the Veteran Guardsmen, but has a commissar and ogryn thrown in for free.
Lord Damocles wrote: Or they'll go the Novitiates route, and there won't be rules for any of the specialists in the basic 40K unit.
True, but outside of the Corsaires all the KT new kits, especially the upgrade ones, ended up being a way for GW to fluff up a bit the datasheet of existing units.
The Corsairs were clearly a test run to see how they could bring specialist from TK to 40k, and its pretty clear that they realized having them as awkward addon to a unit wasn't the best idea ever so they shifted to a simpler model where the specialist that are represented with a specific piece of gear would just end up as a new wargear option (like the bale fire tome, which I'm surprised wasn't bundled with the daemon blade ngl).
I wouldn't be surprised if in 10th they'll revise the corsair to remove all the specialists and (HOPEFULLY) make them HQ instead.
Sisters Novitiates and Kasrkin disagree. Note that Sisters Novitiates predate the Corsairs. DKoK and Traitor Guard KTs are also somewhat questionable.
KT soulshackle going into preorder next saturday, along with all the missing teams from 2 previous season boxes. Anyone who missed Kasrkin last time around hopefully gets some this time!
Also coming, void war bases for all the AoO / Season 2 teams, plus extra terrain bits from Shadowvaults. And both season books as separates, along with custom team dice.
I'm glad they are re-releasing the Shadowvaults-specific terrain separately. Means I can buy Soulshackle, SW book + gubbins, and, having IttD already, get my two boards worth of 40K boarding actions terrain, with all the extra scatter terrain from all three KT21S2 boxes. I think this implies that all the unique terrain gubbins from Soulshackle will also be available separately once the last box of the season launches..?
So if correct, this also means, that for someone who doesn't want more than one box's worth of Into the Dark terrain, they can just buy the books and unique gubbins for each box, and will still be able to play all four Campaign books 100%, even though they only have the actual space hulk scenery set once. This is my recommended purchase strategy for everyone who only plays KT21 and doesn't cae for AoO. You most likely will not ever need two boards worth of terrain..
Next Sat is looking hella expensive right now hehehe!
Previews of Soulshackle will be shown on WH+ (wednesday's BatRep) and they say the Soulshackle box will be cracked open and messed with on the usual twitch Hang & Hobby throughout next week (along with the new Warcry box)
I noticed at the bottom of that release announcement was a series of "not available in X/Y/Z" caveats for most of their releases. maybe the apparent delay for the stand alone releases of this stuff was in part due to GW trying to get product worldwide and struggling/having to prioritise the mainstream stuff?
The Phazer wrote: Still, it is good you can buy it on it's own without another massive box.
It's one sprue. Are they seriously going to put that one sprue in a box all by itself? They'd have to put at least two in, right? And why couldn't they include it with a bigger KT terrain release?
xerxeskingofking wrote: I noticed at the bottom of that release announcement was a series of "not available in X/Y/Z" caveats for most of their releases. maybe the apparent delay for the stand alone releases of this stuff was in part due to GW trying to get product worldwide and struggling/having to prioritise the mainstream stuff?
At least Down Under get their toys on time even if they have to pay extra. Here in Japan we pay extra, and get them late anyways.
The Phazer wrote: Still, it is good you can buy it on it's own without another massive box.
It's one sprue. Are they seriously going to put that one sprue in a box all by itself? They'd have to put at least two in, right? And why couldn't they include it with a bigger KT terrain release?
I'm going to buy so many of the Soulshackle version of this though in order to build a Rogue Trader bridge.
The Phazer wrote: Still, it is good you can buy it on it's own without another massive box.
It's one sprue. Are they seriously going to put that one sprue in a box all by itself? They'd have to put at least two in, right? And why couldn't they include it with a bigger KT terrain release?
If it's in with a bigger release then I would have to buy a load of corridors I don't need to get it.
Individual sprue availability is good.
Granted, the pricing will probably be bad.
When are we likely to get the prices for these from an indie? Wednesday or Thursday?
The Phazer wrote: Still, it is good you can buy it on it's own without another massive box.
It's one sprue. Are they seriously going to put that one sprue in a box all by itself? They'd have to put at least two in, right? And why couldn't they include it with a bigger KT terrain release?
If it's in with a bigger release then I would have to buy a load of corridors I don't need to get it.
Individual sprue availability is good.
Granted, the pricing will probably be bad.
When are we likely to get the prices for these from an indie? Wednesday or Thursday?
Killzone Upgrade: Shadowvaults and Killzone: Gallowdark aren't on the price sheet, so they seem to be direct only and not available to third party sellers, which means we shouldn't get their prices until the actual preorders on Saturday
The Phazer wrote: Still, it is good you can buy it on it's own without another massive box.
It's one sprue. Are they seriously going to put that one sprue in a box all by itself? They'd have to put at least two in, right? And why couldn't they include it with a bigger KT terrain release?
If it's in with a bigger release then I would have to buy a load of corridors I don't need to get it.
I think it's more surprise they didn't wait until the end of the season and then release the different individual sprues from each box in a single set.
nah, its better that they're separate. If anyone decides to skip a book, they can also skip the terrain (each terrain gubbins set is for a specific campaign book's missions)
And indeed, Soulshackle gubbins set is going to sell like hotcakes! Those panels can serve many a project..
I'm very torn over Soulshackle, I really like both new teams (I've not got the Drukhari so it's weak upgrade sprue is less of an issue), I've every book so far and the new terrain is excellent. However a third set of the Gallowdark terrain and board is totally redundant.
Even for playing Boarding Actions you only need 2 sets so why supply a third? I was really hoping we'd get something based on one of the Xenos ships that make up the hulk. Then you'd have Boarding Actions amount of both over the 4 boxes. I know functionally it would have been the same but that's true of a lot of terrain. A different look at least allows for a different story.
Plus I have every box so far, missing one at this point seems off.
I really like that they give you the option to decide how many duplicates of the terrain you want. Collectors will get the whole season no matter what, but the rest of us can pick the parts we prefer and leave the rest out. Season 3 is less than 6 months away..
Warcom article about the dark Eldar in soulshackle calls the unit a “hand of the archon” rather than anything to do with trueborn.
Seem to be a hand-picked specialist squad trusted to do important jobs unsupervised.
Got the usual set of melee types, exotic ranged types, and an almost-medic.
More right arm splinter pistol. Because apparently the right arms splinter pistol they gave you in almost all Dark Eldar kits, including the base Kabalite warrior one, weren't enough.
A very disappointing sprue. The new heads aren't very exciting, and a rifle on a sling isn't really necessary when the exisiting sprue already has loose weapons on it. A crouching set of legs like the Tau got would have been nice.
I'm somewhat underwhelmed with the amount and variety of stuff on this "packed" sprue, but there are at least a few interesting bits. I like the "Archsybarite" (why isn't it Dracon?) and the dude with pet Razorwing.
I'll probably pick one kit just for them (and some more Kabalites).
Yeah my local FLGS sold out in less than 2mins, so they likely got 1 or 2 max... I also noted Element and Darksphere had already sold out, so figured I wasn't going to run around chasing the scraps and brought direct at GW in case they stock out, saved P&P money if nothing else.
The Phazer wrote: So do we think that the terrain from Soulshackle and Killzone Gallowdark will combine to make a decent 40k boarding actions board?
For sure! I plan on doing just that myself as well, bought IttD when S2 launched and will get Soulshackle as my second terrain kit just because I like the new extra gubbins (I bet rules for breaching ship walls will be coming to AoO as well down the line).
For even more gubbins, you can get the Shadowvaults addon sprue, then you'd basically have all the options released so far
GW definitely avoiding anyone who bought the 40K terrain set feeling ripped off this season, because Killzone Gallowdark is £90! (Killzone Moroch was £67.50...)
Oh damn you with your FOMO hehehe! I wasnt going to order Soulshackle just yet, but your "sold out" panic posts made me pull the trigger. Ars Manufactorea & Shadowarrior.pl both still have stock if you need some in the EU region (both sell -25% off RRP)
In hindsight, I should have just bought everything from GW direct; splitting up my purchases this way (had to order the Shadowvaults sprue from GW b/c "direct only") made me lose all the discount value in extra shipping costs. I was supposed to be buying Soulshackle much later, in order to spread out my spending.. But whatever.
tauist wrote: Oh damn you with your FOMO hehehe! I wasnt going to order Soulshackle just yet, but your "sold out" panic posts made me pull the trigger. Ars Manufactorea & Shadowarrior.pl both still have stock if you need some in the EU region.
In hindsight, I should have just bought everything from GW direct; splitting up my purchases this way made me lose all the discount value in extra shipping costs. I was supposed to be buying Soulshackle much later, in order to spread out my spending.. But whatever.
Sorry! If it helps, I wish that I could remove my own FOMO
I think it's just because Shadowvaults sold out so fast, people are still thinking the same will happen with Soulshackle. I'm not convinced it will, but eh, can't really afford to be wrong this time..
.. unless it turns out that Gallowfall was the real "Moroch" box of this season (ie best value)
I have to give credit where it's due - KT21S2 has been a home run for GW marketing
tauist wrote: I think it's just because Shadowvaults sold out so fast, people are still thinking the same will happen with Soulshackle. I'm not convinced it will, but eh, can't really afford to be wrong this time..
Soulshackle sold out in approximately 35 minutes on the UK site, I'm guessing that it's only a matter of time before it sells out for other regions?
tauist wrote: I think it's just because Shadowvaults sold out so fast, people are still thinking the same will happen with Soulshackle. I'm not convinced it will, but eh, can't really afford to be wrong this time..
Soulshackle sold out in approximately 35 minutes on the UK site, I'm guessing that it's only a matter of time before it sells out for other regions?
So it seems. Now I don't feel dumb about pulling the trigger, in fact the opposite!
Kind of crazy.. I think even the Kasrkin box didnt sellout this fast?
tauist wrote: I think it's just because Shadowvaults sold out so fast, people are still thinking the same will happen with Soulshackle. I'm not convinced it will, but eh, can't really afford to be wrong this time..
Soulshackle sold out in approximately 35 minutes on the UK site, I'm guessing that it's only a matter of time before it sells out for other regions?
So it seems. Now I don't feel dumb about pulling the trigger, in fact the opposite!
Kind of crazy.. I think even the Kasrkin box didnt sellout this fast?
The thirst for Arbites must be great indeed
That’s part of it but this box also has different terrain (board and walls) and some really interesting scatter terrain, so the value proposition vs. the previous box which was the starter but with different teams and no dice is much different.
Shakalooloo wrote: Is there any reason for the differing number of dice in the Arbites and Dark Eldar dice sets (15) and Kroot and Navy (20)?
It seems to be a general move to 15 dice per pack. I don't remember how recently it began, but it's not just Kill Team or those specific teams. World Eaters got a pack with 15 dice. Black Legion got a pack with 15 dice. Expect that going forward this will be the standard.
Nothing really noteworthy, just GW selling you less stuff for more moneys.
tauist wrote: I think it's just because Shadowvaults sold out so fast, people are still thinking the same will happen with Soulshackle. I'm not convinced it will, but eh, can't really afford to be wrong this time..
Soulshackle sold out in approximately 35 minutes on the UK site, I'm guessing that it's only a matter of time before it sells out for other regions?
So it seems. Now I don't feel dumb about pulling the trigger, in fact the opposite!
Kind of crazy.. I think even the Kasrkin box didnt sellout this fast?
The thirst for Arbites must be great indeed
That’s part of it but this box also has different terrain (board and walls) and some really interesting scatter terrain, so the value proposition vs. the previous box which was the starter but with different teams and no dice is much different.
To be fair, its the same old terrain and one extra sprue. However, the extra sprue is particularly tasty this time around (called it a "must have" myself when LVO reveals dropped)
Automatically Appended Next Post: Just watching the Arbites team rules review.. Smells hella OP, I sense a nerfbat coming and nae mistake
Interestingly, he was only given a digital version of the Campaign book.. Is GW changing their promo copy policies?
Very possible - it's probably also much easier to use some sort of DRM system and catch leakers with digital files than with printed copies.
Ash had the same with the World Eaters codex. It may just be indicative of the current issues with the new warehouse. Not sure if Canada has seen any such issues.
Shakalooloo wrote: Is there any reason for the differing number of dice in the Arbites and Dark Eldar dice sets (15) and Kroot and Navy (20)?
It seems to be a general move to 15 dice per pack. I don't remember how recently it began, but it's not just Kill Team or those specific teams. World Eaters got a pack with 15 dice. Black Legion got a pack with 15 dice. Expect that going forward this will be the standard.
Nothing really noteworthy, just GW selling you less stuff for more moneys.
Just stands out here since today they put up 2x 15 packs and 2x 20 packs for pre-order right next to each other!
Shakalooloo wrote: Is there any reason for the differing number of dice in the Arbites and Dark Eldar dice sets (15) and Kroot and Navy (20)?
It seems to be a general move to 15 dice per pack. I don't remember how recently it began, but it's not just Kill Team or those specific teams. World Eaters got a pack with 15 dice. Black Legion got a pack with 15 dice. Expect that going forward this will be the standard.
Nothing really noteworthy, just GW selling you less stuff for more moneys.
Just stands out here since today they put up 2x 15 packs and 2x 20 packs for pre-order right next to each other!
Are the Kroot and Navy packs new or reissued ones from their boxed set release?
Another thing to consider is that GW has seemingly changed dice makers at least once in the last few years, probably more. Round corners versus pointy ones, plastic tube packing versus plastic tray in cardboard box versus blister packaging. They may have gotten different deals that make fifteen dice to a pack the most lucrative at this time.
• There are plenty of extra options in this kit to add variety – extra heads, multiple build options for each body, and most arm options can be used on any operative.
• You can build build all ten operatives with a shield and maul, or a shotgun.
• The arm joins are flat and the the torso widths are pretty standard – so this kit should be amenable to arm swaps / mining for bits.
• The head connections are reasonably close to new cadian heads. Swaps might require a little bit of clipping.
• Swaps with the Necromunda Enforcers are tough – the heads are different styles and the arm joins are a bit different. It looks feasible to put an Enforcer boltgun on an Arbites model.
Shakalooloo wrote: Is there any reason for the differing number of dice in the Arbites and Dark Eldar dice sets (15) and Kroot and Navy (20)?
It seems to be a general move to 15 dice per pack. I don't remember how recently it began, but it's not just Kill Team or those specific teams. World Eaters got a pack with 15 dice. Black Legion got a pack with 15 dice. Expect that going forward this will be the standard.
Nothing really noteworthy, just GW selling you less stuff for more moneys.
Just stands out here since today they put up 2x 15 packs and 2x 20 packs for pre-order right next to each other!
Are the Kroot and Navy packs new or reissued ones from their boxed set release?
Another thing to consider is that GW has seemingly changed dice makers at least once in the last few years, probably more. Round corners versus pointy ones, plastic tube packing versus plastic tray in cardboard box versus blister packaging. They may have gotten different deals that make fifteen dice to a pack the most lucrative at this time.
They're technically new but were probably meant to release back when ITD launched.
Kanluwen wrote: As a heads up, Kasrkin are limited to 2 per order.
Out of stock in less than 10 minutes. Yeesh.
Can't say I'm shocked. People have been theoryhammering them as "OMG THE BEST UNIT EVER!!!11!!" since the Guard leaks began. It's why Shadowvault sold out just as quick.
Kanluwen wrote: As a heads up, Kasrkin are limited to 2 per order.
Out of stock in less than 10 minutes. Yeesh.
Can't say I'm shocked. People have been theoryhammering them as "OMG THE BEST UNIT EVER!!!11!!" since the Guard leaks began. It's why Shadowvault sold out just as quick.
I don't think anyone buys that, but they are one of the best looking.
I don't think anyone buys that, but they are one of the best looking.
When Shadowvaults was finally announced as being where Kasrkin would be available, the Guard book was basically 100% leaked.
I mean, there's entirely possibly just a coincidence--but it's not like the Hierotek Circle or the Killzone Shadowvaults terrain packs have sold out while Kasrkin were sold out extremely quickly.
Not gonna pretend I was not a part of the problem on this, as I ordered 3 of the dang sets but still. Even the Breachers and Soulshackle have not sold out here in the US, as of my posting!
People have wanted Karskin back for close to a decade and the sculpts turned out pretty good. They also released as a new Kill Team, which meant even people who weren't 40k Guard players may have wanted to get them. Turns out Karskin are also extremely powerful on the tabletop so the WAAC bandwagoners wanted them as well. Throw scalpers into that mix with how Into The Dark became pretty limited not long after release.
That's a big combination of factors which lead to a lot of people wanting them.
I'd love to harass GW with like, a change.org petition just to show them how irate their base is. I hate how hard it is to mobilize. Let defenders sit quietly while the rest of us show just how many or not many there are pissed off.
Don’t want to sound like a “defender” here but you want to send a petition to a company complaining that you can’t buy enough of their product and you are irate because of it. They would love to hear that and I am sure if they could they would sell you more stuff. That’s their sole purpose. Sell you stuff.
Andykp wrote: Don’t want to sound like a “defender” here but you want to send a petition to a company complaining that you can’t buy enough of their product and you are irate because of it. They would love to hear that and I am sure if they could they would sell you more stuff. That’s their sole purpose. Sell you stuff.
It's pretty obvious that their sole purpose isn't to sell stuff, if I can't buy their stuff.
I’ve pretty much abandoned Kill Team due to the near impossibility of buying the big boxes. Since, for the last year, my hobby spend has consisted of just buying the Warcry and skill Team boxes, I’ve now managed to effectively halve the amount of stuff I buy from GW
It... did sell though, so that's one happy scalper.
The insanity of buying it. 2 £35 kill teams, so are the dice, rulebook and terrain going to cost more than £140 separately? You do wonder how some people can justify paying over the odds rather than waiting a few months.
axotl wrote: I'd love to harass GW with like, a change.org petition just to show them how irate their base is. I hate how hard it is to mobilize. Let defenders sit quietly while the rest of us show just how many or not many there are pissed off.
The thing is their response will be the same every time:
"It will be available in store next Saturday! Come down to your local GW and you can pick up a copy!"
And it doesn't matter if you don't have a local GW, because what they're saying is technically still correct.
The Killteam vets (Krieg) sold out at the start of December nearly everywhere in the UK, they were back in stock nearly everywhere early January, I think the Kasrkin won't take too long to restock tbh.
It's pretty obvious that their sole purpose isn't to sell stuff, if I can't buy their stuff.
GW don't want lots of unsold product taking up shelf space. Selling every copy of a new product is a good thing for them as it keeps FOMO high. The next time someone is on the fence about buying something (e.g. when the sold out item is restocked) they are likely to buy it.
For a business like GW it makes better financial sense to make an amount that will nearly always sell out, than make an amount that never will. They will have various internal projections (taking into account profit margin per item, factory capacity, shelf space etc) to help set the production level.
It's pretty obvious that their sole purpose isn't to sell stuff, if I can't buy their stuff.
GW don't want lots of unsold product taking up shelf space. Selling every copy of a new product is a good thing for them as it keeps FOMO high. The next time someone is on the fence about buying something (e.g. when the sold out item is restocked) they are likely to buy it.
For a business like GW it makes better financial sense to make an amount that will nearly always sell out, than make an amount that never will. They will have various internal projections (taking into account profit margin per item, factory capacity, shelf space etc) to help set the production level.
Exactly this. They reprinted Cursed City and there's TONS of those sitting on shelves in local game stores.
A lot of the community demands more, more, more, every time something sells out. New meta hits, Carnifexes sell out, community demands GW stop everything they're doing and print out thousands more carnifexes so they can get their fix NOW.
The only time it's ridiculous is if there's an in-demand product that's sold out for several months in a row with no update, but those sorts of situations are few and far between. You hear about it once in a while for something that's usually a little bit random, but for the most part, if there's a product that sold out fast, GW is indeed motivated to get it back on the shelves quickly to satisfy any lingering customers.
Scalping is indeed an issue, but there's only so much GW can do. Scalpers exist because it keeps working, because people unable to control their impulses or plastic crack addiction gotta have it NOW, instead of just waiting for the next print, especially when it's a mainline product. Obviously if it's something GW is doing away with, that's another topic.
On top of that, so many people that want more, more, more, have big piles of unbuilt, unpainted models for projects that go by the wayside as soon as the new thing is out. Go work on all that stuff, and if the box that sold out was truly the one thing you were waiting on to continue hobbying, then I'd actually feel bad for you. I'm guessing that's not too common if the stereotypes of this community continue to be reinforced, though.
Didn't the practice they were doing at one stage, where they'd guarantee to produce enough copies to satisfy pre-orders as long as the pre-order was made before X date, mess with scalpers and benefit the community, though?
If GW can't forecast demand well enough to ensure there's sufficient stock not to sell out within the first hour of pre-orders going up, they should go back to that pre-order model.
Kanluwen wrote: As a heads up, Kasrkin are limited to 2 per order.
Out of stock in less than 10 minutes. Yeesh.
Can't say I'm shocked. People have been theoryhammering them as "OMG THE BEST UNIT EVER!!!11!!" since the Guard leaks began. It's why Shadowvault sold out just as quick.
I don't think anyone buys that, but they are one of the best looking.
Have you checked 40k rules? Easily 2 dozen mw's in a turn from 1 squad. Damage output is obscene. 2 squads is bare minimum you see in army.
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Andykp wrote: Don’t want to sound like a “defender” here but you want to send a petition to a company complaining that you can’t buy enough of their product and you are irate because of it. They would love to hear that and I am sure if they could they would sell you more stuff. That’s their sole purpose. Sell you stuff.
I mostly agree with you but I think you are being a tad too generous to GW. Yes, what they are doing absolutely makes sense from the point of view of stock control, and scalpers will always exacerbate any limitation on a desired product, but I don’t believe for a second that GW aren’t also intentionally stoking up FOMO for some products because it enables them to jack up the prices.
“Didn’t press go on that ludicrously overpriced starter? Well now it’s gone and we may or may not ever bring it back, so next time just hand over the cash as soon as we dangle something shiny.”
Is that a shrewd business move? Absolutely. Is it also seedily exploitative? Also yes.
Dysartes wrote: Didn't the practice they were doing at one stage, where they'd guarantee to produce enough copies to satisfy pre-orders as long as the pre-order was made before X date, mess with scalpers and benefit the community, though?
If GW can't forecast demand well enough to ensure there's sufficient stock not to sell out within the first hour of pre-orders going up, they should go back to that pre-order model.
That model is probably not feasible for all products, because afaik they still source cardstock stuff from exterior producers, so boxe like Cursed City that contain a lot of Cardboard need that decision to be made very early in the overall production process. Of course you could have preorders months before the actual production run and still do it like that, but that does not gell well with GW's general marketing approach of a new hype every month.
Dysartes wrote: Didn't the practice they were doing at one stage, where they'd guarantee to produce enough copies to satisfy pre-orders as long as the pre-order was made before X date, mess with scalpers and benefit the community, though?
If GW can't forecast demand well enough to ensure there's sufficient stock not to sell out within the first hour of pre-orders going up, they should go back to that pre-order model.
They'd need to take preorders a month or more in advance since they need to produce the models, procure the boxes and tokens and books and get it all shipped out to stores in advance.
I think they did that with the 2nd printing of Cursed City, but again with a month or more lead time.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Well it's sold out on GW and I see one copy on ebay for $300, so I guess I made the right move.
Dysartes wrote: Didn't the practice they were doing at one stage, where they'd guarantee to produce enough copies to satisfy pre-orders as long as the pre-order was made before X date, mess with scalpers and benefit the community, though?
If GW can't forecast demand well enough to ensure there's sufficient stock not to sell out within the first hour of pre-orders going up, they should go back to that pre-order model.
That model is probably not feasible for all products, because afaik they still source cardstock stuff from exterior producers, so boxe like Cursed City that contain a lot of Cardboard need that decision to be made very early in the overall production process. Of course you could have preorders months before the actual production run and still do it like that, but that does not gell well with GW's general marketing approach of a new hype every month.
I do have to wonder why GW wants to invest more into their painting products, but still leave the paper & cardstock business at the hands of 3rd parties. Surely, investing into their own paper & cardstock production would be a better move? Because then they'd be totally self sufficient when it comes to boxes like Cursed City.
It's illogical IMO. While you can paint your GW minis with any paints available on the market (ie not having to rely on GW paint production capacity), you can only buy the actual games from them, which are impossible to produce without 3rd party cardstock. To me peabrain, that reads as a FAIL
Dysartes wrote: Didn't the practice they were doing at one stage, where they'd guarantee to produce enough copies to satisfy pre-orders as long as the pre-order was made before X date, mess with scalpers and benefit the community, though?
If GW can't forecast demand well enough to ensure there's sufficient stock not to sell out within the first hour of pre-orders going up, they should go back to that pre-order model.
That model is probably not feasible for all products, because afaik they still source cardstock stuff from exterior producers, so boxe like Cursed City that contain a lot of Cardboard need that decision to be made very early in the overall production process. Of course you could have preorders months before the actual production run and still do it like that, but that does not gell well with GW's general marketing approach of a new hype every month.
I do have to wonder why GW wants to invest more into their painting products, but still leave the paper & cardstock business at the hands of 3rd parties. Surely, investing into their own paper & cardstock production would be a better move? Because then they'd be totally self sufficient when it comes to boxes like Cursed City.
It's illogical IMO. While you can paint your GW minis with any paints available on the market (ie not having to rely on GW paint production capacity), you can only buy the actual games from them, which are impossible to produce without 3rd party cardstock. To me peabrain, that reads as a FAIL
Yeah, i've been saying that for some time, integrating the cardboard side of buisness into their main facilities would make sense, and probably be a sound future-proofing investment. That being said, paper / cardboard supply chains still are in shambles to a ridiculous degree due to the whole Covid thing, and at the moment it might very well be impossible to even start such an undertaking.
Dysartes wrote: Didn't the practice they were doing at one stage, where they'd guarantee to produce enough copies to satisfy pre-orders as long as the pre-order was made before X date, mess with scalpers and benefit the community, though?
If GW can't forecast demand well enough to ensure there's sufficient stock not to sell out within the first hour of pre-orders going up, they should go back to that pre-order model.
That model is probably not feasible for all products, because afaik they still source cardstock stuff from exterior producers, so boxe like Cursed City that contain a lot of Cardboard need that decision to be made very early in the overall production process. Of course you could have preorders months before the actual production run and still do it like that, but that does not gell well with GW's general marketing approach of a new hype every month.
As I said, they did it for a run of big box releases last year (I think it was) - it may mean splitting pre-orders between a batch on day 1 and a batch down the line, but at least it means people can get them without having to deal with scalpers.
I'm not advocating for individual unit releases, or anything like that, but the likes of Soulshackle, Shadowvaults, Into The Dark, etc? Yeah, I think they should for those.
Element seemed to suggest there would be multiple waves of stock, so some retailers may have only put up the stuff they are getting next week
"Please note stock allocations for this weeks Games Workshop releases are extremely low. Please pay attention to your expected dispatch date when ordering. All orders will be fulfilled chronologically as the stock arrives in the coming weeks."
In this case I suspect its Kill Team players being on the ball after the last box sold out so quick (the first to do so).
Dysartes wrote: Didn't the practice they were doing at one stage, where they'd guarantee to produce enough copies to satisfy pre-orders as long as the pre-order was made before X date, mess with scalpers and benefit the community, though?
If GW can't forecast demand well enough to ensure there's sufficient stock not to sell out within the first hour of pre-orders going up, they should go back to that pre-order model.
That model is probably not feasible for all products, because afaik they still source cardstock stuff from exterior producers, so boxe like Cursed City that contain a lot of Cardboard need that decision to be made very early in the overall production process. Of course you could have preorders months before the actual production run and still do it like that, but that does not gell well with GW's general marketing approach of a new hype every month.
As I said, they did it for a run of big box releases last year (I think it was) - it may mean splitting pre-orders between a batch on day 1 and a batch down the line, but at least it means people can get them without having to deal with scalpers.
I'm not advocating for individual unit releases, or anything like that, but the likes of Soulshackle, Shadowvaults, Into The Dark, etc? Yeah, I think they should for those.
I'm not disagreeing. At the moment, supply issues and scalpers are two big factors that distract from buyer's hobby experience, and that's usually a big problem from a marketing perspective, because the people that are prepared to splurge on multiple-hundred dollar collector's editions or preorder boxed games regularly usually tend to be 'whales', and you absolutely do not want to drive those away with bad service experiences. Historically, GW's customer service has been excellent on average, considering returns, mispackagings or miscast and such, so that as-of-yet unsolved problem is especially galling because they continue to fall short of their usual standard in that regard.
It's pretty obvious that their sole purpose isn't to sell stuff, if I can't buy their stuff.
GW don't want lots of unsold product taking up shelf space. Selling every copy of a new product is a good thing for them as it keeps FOMO high. The next time someone is on the fence about buying something (e.g. when the sold out item is restocked) they are likely to buy it.
For a business like GW it makes better financial sense to make an amount that will nearly always sell out, than make an amount that never will. They will have various internal projections (taking into account profit margin per item, factory capacity, shelf space etc) to help set the production level.
It's a fine line that if they continue to screw up people will look elsewhere to spend their gaming money.
Andykp wrote: Don’t want to sound like a “defender” here but you want to send a petition to a company complaining that you can’t buy enough of their product and you are irate because of it. They would love to hear that and I am sure if they could they would sell you more stuff. That’s their sole purpose. Sell you stuff.
It's pretty obvious that their sole purpose isn't to sell stuff, if I can't buy their stuff.
There no conspiracy here, they are a publicly limited company, sole purpose to make profits for the shareholders, they do that by selling stuff. They want to sell you stuff, what else is their purpose if not that??
They have increased warehousing and are having issues with that and have issues around delivery that clearly mean they are having supply issues, but they still want to sell as much as they can, as others said, selling out of stuff is good for them, less warehoused stock and increased FOMO, but it’s a fine balance between that and putting customers off.
All the stuff you want to buy will be available soon. Just not right away.
It's pretty obvious that their sole purpose isn't to sell stuff, if I can't buy their stuff.
GW don't want lots of unsold product taking up shelf space. Selling every copy of a new product is a good thing for them as it keeps FOMO high. The next time someone is on the fence about buying something (e.g. when the sold out item is restocked) they are likely to buy it.
For a business like GW it makes better financial sense to make an amount that will nearly always sell out, than make an amount that never will. They will have various internal projections (taking into account profit margin per item, factory capacity, shelf space etc) to help set the production level.
It's a fine line that if they continue to screw up people will look elsewhere to spend their gaming money.
Bet most don’t though, bet most will still spend on GW stuff. If they were selling out of stuff that people were not that keen on it’d be an issue, but selling out of stuff that’s is still so hyped up that most folk will wait, that’s all good. Look at sagitaurs for votann, they were sold out for ages, came back I. Again and wolf out again quickly, ?ksarskin? They hype will still be there when they come back in stock. People will still buy them.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Alchemists workshops posted this the other day too. All is not going as planned in Nottingham.
Andykp wrote: Don’t want to sound like a “defender” here but you want to send a petition to a company complaining that you can’t buy enough of their product and you are irate because of it. They would love to hear that and I am sure if they could they would sell you more stuff. That’s their sole purpose. Sell you stuff.
It's pretty obvious that their sole purpose isn't to sell stuff, if I can't buy their stuff.
There no conspiracy here, they are a publicly limited company, sole purpose to make profits for the shareholders, they do that by selling stuff. They want to sell you stuff, what else is their purpose if not that??
They have increased warehousing and are having issues with that and have issues around delivery that clearly mean they are having supply issues, but they still want to sell as much as they can, as others said, selling out of stuff is good for them, less warehoused stock and increased FOMO, but it’s a fine balance between that and putting customers off.
All the stuff you want to buy will be available soon. Just not right away.
It's pretty obvious that their sole purpose isn't to sell stuff, if I can't buy their stuff.
GW don't want lots of unsold product taking up shelf space. Selling every copy of a new product is a good thing for them as it keeps FOMO high. The next time someone is on the fence about buying something (e.g. when the sold out item is restocked) they are likely to buy it.
For a business like GW it makes better financial sense to make an amount that will nearly always sell out, than make an amount that never will. They will have various internal projections (taking into account profit margin per item, factory capacity, shelf space etc) to help set the production level.
It's a fine line that if they continue to screw up people will look elsewhere to spend their gaming money.
Bet most don’t though, bet most will still spend on GW stuff. If they were selling out of stuff that people were not that keen on it’d be an issue, but selling out of stuff that’s is still so hyped up that most folk will wait, that’s all good. Look at sagitaurs for votann, they were sold out for ages, came back I. Again and wolf out again quickly, ?ksarskin? They hype will still be there when they come back in stock. People will still buy them.
It's a classic business issue with "make profits for the shareholders". Companies take their eye off of the product or service they provide and instead focus making money. Unless your company is in the business of printing money it should not be the top tier consideration of the business.
You can't sell products that you don't have enough stock of.
That's kind of economics 101. FOMO is nice, but then you're literally leaving money on the table when people can't get what you're out of. As it happens Soulshackle hit two of my GW wants, Arbites and a 28mm space hulk. (If it had been Chaos cultists or Space Criminals rather than Dark Eldar it would be 3 wants).
There's no guarantee that the next product will. If it's Eldar vs Orks or whatever then I have no fear of missing out since I don't want either.
axotl wrote:I'd love to harass GW with like, a change.org petition just to show them how irate their base is. I hate how hard it is to mobilize. Let defenders sit quietly while the rest of us show just how many or not many there are pissed off.
Ah, a call to boycott/petition GW over their business practises. That makes me nostalgic.
drbored wrote:
Scalping is indeed an issue, but there's only so much GW can do. Scalpers exist because it keeps working, because people unable to control their impulses or plastic crack addiction gotta have it NOW, instead of just waiting for the next print, especially when it's a mainline product. Obviously if it's something GW is doing away with, that's another topic.
On top of that, so many people that want more, more, more, have big piles of unbuilt, unpainted models for projects that go by the wayside as soon as the new thing is out. Go work on all that stuff, and if the box that sold out was truly the one thing you were waiting on to continue hobbying, then I'd actually feel bad for you. I'm guessing that's not too common if the stereotypes of this community continue to be reinforced, though.
This right here. Remember the time GW released a statement that 'the GW hobby is buying GW products'? They got some flak for that but they weren't exactly wrong.
1) Buy everything as it's released, playing the game at the pace GW wants you to play, nickle and diming you and drip feeding you forever just so you always keep coming back for more (because profit). There will always be a new rules edition, requiring new books etc. Keep up at the expense of your budget
2) At some point, say enough is enough, step off the bandwagon, and just make do with what you have already collected.
Choosing 2 will make your hobby "incompatible" with the most of the GW world eventually ("Your still playing THAT edition?") , but you can still make it work as long as you find enough people who are also into the editions/models you have got.
Let's face it, if you stick with 1 forever, you're bound to be feeling used eventually
True. For the drip feed thing to work, product has to move reliably and in suffficient quantities.
I think this sort of sales strategy takes its inspiration from the software world, where nothing is ever "done", stuff gets released, and gets some active support for a period of time, but ultimately must make way for the next version (of the same product, same same but different! improved from version 1.0! Best version ever!). But with software, stock is always in infinite quantity.
Adapting software sales practices to hardware products is not sustainable forever. Sooner or later, something has to give. GW would do well to make a plan B in case their existing treadmill strategy starts failing. Plan B could be something like starting to sell complete rules bundles of their previous editions; this would give old collectors a chance to stick to their preferred ruleset indefinitely.
tauist wrote: True. For the drip feed thing to work, product has to more reliably and in suffficient quantities.
I'm not so convinced of that - for the more 'casual' gamer that picks up stuff mainly from physical stores or now and then without paying much attention to the wider picture, stuff still works out basically fine. Don't discount the factor that the whole online community is a subsection of all hobbyists that is both hyper-aware of things and extremely critical.
RazorEdge wrote: Sooner or later GW kill themself with their spinning capitalism wheel.
People have been saying this ever since I discovered GW, and long before. I've said a few times. But GW keep making more and more money.
Frankly, of the participants in this parasocial relationship, GW is not going to change. It's the individual gamer who has to change. If it means throwing off that yoke of consoomerism they once willingly wore, that might have to be how it is.
GW won't kill themselves simply because they have several different systems that generate profit
one system might see a big drop because it is too expensive and die
but there are others that still sell and GW can adjust with a different game or setting
they also get money for licensed games so even the 2 big games can die and they still have an income until they find something different
people are saying that GW will go down if they continue, and they nearly did 2 times, but because they have several different games and a constant change in Edition that are set in a cycle, they have the possibility to change
so 40k not selling any no more because it is too expensive, Kill Team or Necromunda might see a different game mode that comes in cheaper or Adeptus Titanicus is expanded to replace 40k also AoS might be pushed to be the main game, LoTR gets the large R&F expansion back, or Horus Heresy gets an Alien expansion
tauist wrote: True. For the drip feed thing to work, product has to more reliably and in suffficient quantities.
I'm not so convinced of that - for the more 'casual' gamer that picks up stuff mainly from physical stores or now and then without paying much attention to the wider picture, stuff still works out basically fine. Don't discount the factor that the whole online community is a subsection of all hobbyists that is both hyper-aware of things and extremely critical.
Well, yeah, I suppose that's what keeps the bottom line in the green. Sell stuff to casual gamers who buy your stuff for a few years, and then just stop being involved with the hobby altogether.
I think I want to step off this threadmill when I get my beakie army done. Then I can just stick to playing KT21 & Rogue Trader, buying some cool nostalghia rereleases here and there if/when they manifest.
Oh who am I kidding. Once Epic rereleases, they'll pull me back again. FML
A distributor we spoke to essentially said the Soulshackle boxes will have super weird allocations. Most local stores we hard capped at three per store, and told they'd get stock on the 15th, then a week later they could open a second larger round of orders which would be filled late February.
Maybe GW has an issue distributing the bulk of their stock as clearly a couple week delay on more isn't nearly enough time to suggest it was a production problem.
Not "temporarily out of stock" not "awaiting reorder" no. No longer available.
And there's no way that's a good look for any company.
Those boxes are always limited run, so when they sell out they are done, but the contents will be available some time.
I agree though, the model of starter boxes every few months with different factions and terrain in dint work if they are only available for 30 minutes each.
It’s clear GW is having major supply chain/warehouse/distribution issues at the minute. This way of things being isn’t going as planned and hopefully won’t last.
None of that is clear. I suspect this was a small supply initial release at the current price and the restock will take place after the price increase is effective.
They’re an office-based business who launched something that sold out at a weekend and no-one is in to change any site messaging or write social media missives til Monday. It’s a screw up not a conspiracy.
Besides, if they keep selling out it doesn’t appear they’re driving anyone away, no matter the noise in these threads. Sure, a few more 3D printers will go brrrr but also GW made a shedload of cash so don’t care.
GW doesn't care? I disagree. Most of the preorder items released this week sold out inside a business day. That's a great day for any business! They will be popping off some champagne and dishing out free pastries at the office breakroom come Monday
tauist wrote: GW doesn't care? I disagree. Most of the preorder items released this week sold out inside a business day. That's a great day for any business! They will be popping off some champagne and dishing out free pastries at the office breakroom come Monday
And yet I would have bought a copy if it was still available. Instead, I’ve spent that money on products by a different manufacturer.
If a product sells out in a few days, that’s probably a great success. If it sells out in a few minutes, that means you just didn’t make enough and you probably lost money.
MonkeyBallistic wrote: If a product sells out in a few days, that’s probably a great success. If it sells out in a few minutes, that means you just didn’t make enough and you probably lost money.
The art lies in judging how many is enough, and how many is too many. GW still has copies of Cadia Stands, so they likely made too many of that one.
tauist wrote: GW doesn't care? I disagree. Most of the preorder items released this week sold out inside a business day. That's a great day for any business! They will be popping off some champagne and dishing out free pastries at the office breakroom come Monday
And yet I would have bought a copy if it was still available. Instead, I’ve spent that money on products by a different manufacturer.
If a product sells out in a few days, that’s probably a great success. If it sells out in a few minutes, that means you just didn’t make enough and you probably lost money.
Exactly! Sold out means you left money on the table
tauist wrote: GW doesn't care? I disagree. Most of the preorder items released this week sold out inside a business day. That's a great day for any business! They will be popping off some champagne and dishing out free pastries at the office breakroom come Monday
And yet I would have bought a copy if it was still available. Instead, I’ve spent that money on products by a different manufacturer.
If a product sells out in a few days, that’s probably a great success. If it sells out in a few minutes, that means you just didn’t make enough and you probably lost money.
Exactly! Sold out means you left money on the table
From a business standpoint, given that there's no guarantees, it's better to leave money on the table than lose money by over-producing and having wastage.
tauist wrote: GW doesn't care? I disagree. Most of the preorder items released this week sold out inside a business day. That's a great day for any business! They will be popping off some champagne and dishing out free pastries at the office breakroom come Monday
And yet I would have bought a copy if it was still available. Instead, I’ve spent that money on products by a different manufacturer.
If a product sells out in a few days, that’s probably a great success. If it sells out in a few minutes, that means you just didn’t make enough and you probably lost money.
Exactly! Sold out means you left money on the table
From a business standpoint, given that there's no guarantees, it's better to leave money on the table than lose money by over-producing and having wastage.
Exactly. Especially given GW's production (in house) issues - i.e. squeeze on machine time. They probably calculated how many of those they needed to sell to make a tidy profit, and they did exactly that, even if it means leaving "more" money on the table.
Its especially sad trying to find stuff on GW's own website, when half of their items are out of stock all the time anyway. Clearly they have production/capacity issues.
MonkeyBallistic wrote: If a product sells out in a few days, that’s probably a great success. If it sells out in a few minutes, that means you just didn’t make enough and you probably lost money.
The art lies in judging how many is enough, and how many is too many. GW still has copies of Cadia Stands, so they likely made too many of that one.
Cadia Stands is even weirder now that the combat patrol is up.
Even moreso if '10th edition' trashes the book and cards in ~4 months
tauist wrote: GW doesn't care? I disagree. Most of the preorder items released this week sold out inside a business day. That's a great day for any business! They will be popping off some champagne and dishing out free pastries at the office breakroom come Monday
And yet I would have bought a copy if it was still available. Instead, I’ve spent that money on products by a different manufacturer.
If a product sells out in a few days, that’s probably a great success. If it sells out in a few minutes, that means you just didn’t make enough and you probably lost money.
Exactly! Sold out means you left money on the table
From a business standpoint, given that there's no guarantees, it's better to leave money on the table than lose money by over-producing and having wastage.
It sold out in minutes.
Not days.
Not hours.
Minutes! There is no way you can spin that as a good business decision.
From a business standpoint, given that there's no guarantees, it's better to leave money on the table than lose money by over-producing and having wastage.
Look I understand GW wanted to avoid another situation like the Hobbit limited edition or Dreadfleet but those were 10+ years ago. Box sets that sell out in minutes and disappear forever means money is left on the table and that ill will among fans is generated.
Now maybe GW can keep this up, maybe the next box will be an Inquisition band vs Space Pirates or some other combination of long-awaited models that will also be snatched up in minutes, but it's just not a good plan.
(That reminds me, Arbites vs Dark Eldar is such a random combo, imagine if it had been Arbites vs escaped Space Criminals, a psyker, a mutant cannibal dude, some random desperados, man that would have been awesome)
This is box 3 of the Kill Team Space Hulk games, and Kill Team box 12? whatever. How can they not have a good feel for demand by now?
From a business standpoint, given that there's no guarantees, it's better to leave money on the table than lose money by over-producing and having wastage.
Look I understand GW wanted to avoid another situation like the Hobbit limited edition or Dreadfleet but those were 10+ years ago. Box sets that sell out in minutes and disappear forever means money is left on the table and that ill will among fans is generated.
Now maybe GW can keep this up, maybe the next box will be an Inquisition band vs Space Pirates or some other combination of long-awaited models that will also be snatched up in minutes, but it's just not a good plan.
(That reminds me, Arbites vs Dark Eldar is such a random combo, imagine if it had been Arbites vs escaped Space Criminals, a psyker, a mutant cannibal dude, some random desperados, man that would have been awesome)
This is box 3 of the Kill Team Space Hulk games, and Kill Team box 12? whatever. How can they not have a good feel for demand by now?
But this isn’t the same thing, this is an early release of stuff that will be generally available soon just as individual kits. This is a hype launch, so selling out adds to the hype.
The bigger worry is that they can’t keep stuff in stock when it’s generally released, all the kill teams are in and out of stock, that speaks of bigger supply and distribution issues.
tauist wrote: GW doesn't care? I disagree. Most of the preorder items released this week sold out inside a business day. That's a great day for any business! They will be popping off some champagne and dishing out free pastries at the office breakroom come Monday
And yet I would have bought a copy if it was still available. Instead, I’ve spent that money on products by a different manufacturer.
If a product sells out in a few days, that’s probably a great success. If it sells out in a few minutes, that means you just didn’t make enough and you probably lost money.
Of course none of the items there are limited to this box and will come at full price later.
GW prefers to sell most of the stuff they sell at full price rather than discount.
tauist wrote: GW doesn't care? I disagree. Most of the preorder items released this week sold out inside a business day. That's a great day for any business! They will be popping off some champagne and dishing out free pastries at the office breakroom come Monday
And yet I would have bought a copy if it was still available. Instead, I’ve spent that money on products by a different manufacturer.
If a product sells out in a few days, that’s probably a great success. If it sells out in a few minutes, that means you just didn’t make enough and you probably lost money.
Exactly! Sold out means you left money on the table
Do you think they prefer to get X or X+Y for same sprues?
From a business standpoint, given that there's no guarantees, it's better to leave money on the table than lose money by over-producing and having wastage.
Look I understand GW wanted to avoid another situation like the Hobbit limited edition or Dreadfleet but those were 10+ years ago. Box sets that sell out in minutes and disappear forever means money is left on the table and that ill will among fans is generated.
Dominion was much more recent.
This is box 3 of the Kill Team Space Hulk games, and Kill Team box 12? whatever. How can they not have a good feel for demand by now?
Because people are not solely buying them for Kill Team. The previous box went quick because of the Karskin, selling to IG players and KT players. I think a lot of KT players got burned on that because you never even needed to pre-order the previous boxes, were always around for weeks. I think this time around the KT players are on it, and it's selling through in hours, instead of weeks/months.
But it's a very difficult equation to balance. There's no essential, exclusively KT product to even gauge the demand for KT itself on. Every product has multiple uses. In the case of these boxes they:
1) sell to people who want to actually play KT with the teams included
2) sell to people who collect one of those factions and want those figures *now*
3) sell to people who want two sets of the terrain for 40K boarding action games, and want to do so "optimally" so know they want to pick up 2 of the 4 sets being released.
The relative demand for any given box will vary hugely. (In season 1, Octarius, the first box, was available for pretty much the entire season, despite being the best value package for anyone who actually wanted to play Kill Team)
Plus I'm not convinced this is gone entirely anyway. It seems like a number of shops are getting multiple waves and while Element and maybe some others (including the GW store?) put them all up with later delivery windows, other shops may only have put up the initial allocation. There may yet be copies of this floating around by the end of the month anyway.
tauist wrote: GW doesn't care? I disagree. Most of the preorder items released this week sold out inside a business day. That's a great day for any business! They will be popping off some champagne and dishing out free pastries at the office breakroom come Monday
And yet I would have bought a copy if it was still available. Instead, I’ve spent that money on products by a different manufacturer.
If a product sells out in a few days, that’s probably a great success. If it sells out in a few minutes, that means you just didn’t make enough and you probably lost money.
Of course none of the items there are limited to this box and will come at full price later.
GW prefers to sell most of the stuff they sell at full price rather than discount.
I can only speak for myself and I’ve no way of knowing how typical I am. There is no way I am going to buy the full contents of that box individually at full price. It’s nothing to do with the price, but everything to do with whether I actually need all the stuff. Buying a big box on release day is an impulse purchase. The later releases are much more considered. I’ll almost certainly only end up buying a box of Arbites and I’ll buy them when I get round to it … which could turn into sometime never.
So GW’s lack of stock has turned a near certain £110 purchase into a vague possibility of maybe a £37ish purchase sometime in the distant future.
Some material for someone who would like to write an article on how fomo-driven consummerist culture is making people unhappy. There's always something on the horizon that we don't or can't have, so we live lives of permanent unfulfillment.
Just let go. Your life isn't going to be happier or even any different if you don't buy a product like that. Get your dopamine shot from something else.
Cyel wrote: Some material for someone who would like to write an article on how fomo-driven consummerist culture is making people unhappy. There's always something on the horizon that we don't or can't have, so we live lives of permanent unfulfillment.
Just let go. Your life isn't going to be happier or even any different if you don't buy a product like that. Get your dopamine shot from something else.
I never said I was unhappy. I was mildly disappointed for a few minutes. I’m simply posting about it here because this is a wargaming forum, where we talk about wargaming.
Someone is voicing a complaint on a public forum, so I assume they expect other users to give their opinion on that complaint. This is just my opinion, it isn't binding for you in any way. You do what you want to do to feel what you want to feel.
Someone is voicing a complaint on a public forum, so I assume they expect other users to give their opinion on that complaint. This is just my opinion, it isn't binding for you in any way. You do what you want to do to feel what you want to feel.
Seriously I have no idea what your problem is. Like, genuinely puzzled. If someone doesn't want to hear what other people think, why post? Or is it just ok as long as it is a pat on the back, otherwise it's "what's wrong with you"?
Cyel wrote: Seriously I have no idea what your problem is. Like, genuinely puzzled. If someone doesn't want to hear what other people think, why post? Or is it just ok as long as it is a pat on the back, otherwise it's "what's wrong with you"?
No, my problem is you ascribing an emotional state to people, and critiquing their entire lifestyle and state of being based on expressing disappointment they couldn’t buy the toy soldiers they wanted. I thought we were here to talking about wargaming, not give our opinions on the character and psychological state of the people posting. If anyone is attacking people they disagree with it’s you.
I'm thinking the low quantity of Shadowvaults and Soulshackle is intentional. Season 2 has been polarizing from the start, I bought 3.5/4 of Season 1 but ever since we were told S2 would be space ship battles, and space ship battles only, I was sure I wouldn't be buying more than 1 or 2 out of 4. This became even more certain once we figured out each box would come with the exact same terrain. Only a completist collector or someone hell bent on building a 3D Space Hulk board would want all 4 boxes.
So maybe GW figured this out and decided to keep box quantities for the season low, barring the season launch box, as it was also a way to get into the game. Every book, team and terrain kit will be available separately, so all the fans are missing out are the savings, and that's a loss GW surely can live with
If my suspicions are correct, Gallowfall will also sell out pretty much immediately, although this will depend on the teams. The completely new kit needs to be a must-have for collectors.
Extra gubbins sprue will need to be extraordinary now to raise any interest, I don't quite see how it can even top the one which comes with 'shackle tbh, as the game needed breachable walls in order not to feel to dumb. On many S2 missions, the relatively low amt of turning points and the mass of walls often means any positioning errors will cost you the whole game, as there was no way to go through walls before (even the first KT21S2 WH+ batrep played the rules wrong at first, going through walls LOL)
Scalpers will make sure it sells out no matter what teams they put in it. Into The Dark sold out quick too, it just wasn't as instantaneous as Vaults and Shackle.
Now they've rescinded the pre-order promise and presumably cut back on production due to the 2022 boxes not moving lightning fast naturally the scalpers saw another opportunity and FOMO probably moved more boxes. There's also folks who might wanna try the boarding actions but know it's better to buy two KT boxes and sell the teams, books and accessories.
The rumour for the next set was Terminators versus Genestealers, right? But nobody ever specified loyalist or purestrain, so maybe it's Khorne terminators versus upgrade sprue cultists!
I'm not seeing how Terminators could be a viable Kill Team. Perhaps a single model, accompanied by other type of operatives, but not a squad.
I cannot see how a team of 4 custodes wouldn't be struggling in KT21S2 missions. Terminators would be at least as powerful, if not more so, so couldn't realistically be more than 4 models for the whole team. They could perhaps manage in regular Kill Team, since custodes also do, but not in close confines games where visibility is super limited..
Terminators vs genestealers works in Space Hulk or 40K AoO games
tauist wrote: I'm not seeing how Terminators could be a viable Kill Team. Perhaps a single model, accompanied by other type of operatives, but not a squad.
I cannot see how a team of 4 custodes wouldn't be struggling in KT21S2 missions. Terminators would be at least as powerful, if not more so, so couldn't realistically be more than 4 models for the whole team. They could perhaps manage in regular Kill Team, since custodes also do, but not in close confines games where visibility is super limited..
Terminators vs genestealers works in Space Hulk or 40K AoO games
Depends on the size of the hallways, and the game mechanics. As to Killteam, 5 or 6 Genestealers are no match for terminators in a skirmish in a straight up one on one fight.
BUT, using the Space Hulk rules, that's a horse of a different color.
I'm skeptical about current GW releasing new terminators for something not 30k at this point in time, TBH, or maybe as a splash release like the SM Heroes.
It seems that regular 40k timeline is all primaris all the time, so it doesn't feel that likely to see termies instead of agressors or something.
I think the terminators vs Genestealer KT came from Valrak - but he said it was a redo of Spacehulk, not necessarily KT. If they released Space Hulk as its own thing it would fit in very well as they now have the scenery designed and plenty of players with their own collections of corridors they could add to any game they release. Seems more likely to me than Termies in KT.
silverstu wrote: I think the terminators vs Genestealer KT came from Valrak - but he said it was a redo of Spacehulk, not necessarily KT. If they released Space Hulk as its own thing it would fit in very well as they now have the scenery designed and plenty of players with their own collections of corridors they could add to any game they release. Seems more likely to me than Termies in KT.
Valrak's 'Stealer vs. Termies' rumour morphed a lot over the time, he said among other things that they'd be in the 10th edition starter set, that there'd be a redo of Space Hulk was iirc. speculation on his part, not an actual rumour from his sources.
tauist wrote: The most recent 40K rumours are talking about Primaris Terminators, not firstborn.
Aren't those what Agressors are supposed to be?
I originally thought so when 9th came out, but they aren't any better armored, they can't teleport, and aren't limited to veteran marines. I realize that doesn't preclude them being the terminator equivalents, but I would consider those some key aspects of terminators. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Exactly this. They reprinted Cursed City and there's TONS of those sitting on shelves in local game stores.
Also with that people had had a chance to play it, and really most abandoned the campaign half way through as it was so samey. I wouldn't have bought it. After playing? I wouldn't have bought it.
tauist wrote: The most recent 40K rumours are talking about Primaris Terminators, not firstborn.
Aren't those what Agressors are supposed to be?
Nope. The new Primaris Terminators are supposedly coming in 10th edition launch box. They are called Arduanters (Primaris Terminators, Graviton Hammers, Shields, new type of Gravis Armor)
tauist wrote: The most recent 40K rumours are talking about Primaris Terminators, not firstborn.
Aren't those what Agressors are supposed to be?
Nope. The new Primaris Terminators are supposedly coming in 10th edition launch box. They are called Arduanters (Primaris Terminators, Graviton Hammers, Shields, new type of Gravis Armor)
...ugh, that name is fething horrible, if true.
Also, you say no, but they totally were, and were "sold" as such, down to the captains using that as termine equivalent armor.
tauist wrote: The most recent 40K rumours are talking about Primaris Terminators, not firstborn.
Aren't those what Agressors are supposed to be?
Nope. The new Primaris Terminators are supposedly coming in 10th edition launch box. They are called Arduanters (Primaris Terminators, Graviton Hammers, Shields, new type of Gravis Armor)
...ugh, that name is fething horrible, if true.
Also, you say no, but they totally were, and were "sold" as such, down to the captains using that as termine equivalent armor.
Maybe they were. I mean, I can see how MK X Gravis can be thought of as being equivalent of TDA, but I thought that wasnt canon. Haven't read any Primaris related lore so what do I know..
Coming back to the topic of terminators in KT21, it is well known that teams with 5 or fewer operatives struggle on most missions against more numerous teams, so if Heavy Interecessor teams are trash tier, I dunno how Terminators also wouldn't be
tauist wrote: The most recent 40K rumours are talking about Primaris Terminators, not firstborn.
Aren't those what Agressors are supposed to be?
Nope. The new Primaris Terminators are supposedly coming in 10th edition launch box. They are called Arduanters (Primaris Terminators, Graviton Hammers, Shields, new type of Gravis Armor)
...ugh, that name is fething horrible, if true.
Also, you say no, but they totally were, and were "sold" as such, down to the captains using that as termine equivalent armor.
These 'Arduanters' are also part of a huge batch of rumours from 4chan of all places, and some reputed rumourmongers call other parts of that batch fake, so i'd not accept them for a fact just yet
The KT stock issues are just widely annoying in general. My wife was genuinely excited to get into the game with Euclidian Starstriders... and they've been sold out for more than two months.
Now I am left either disappointing her and keeping the game from gaining a new player, or paying an Ebay scalper a 150% mark-up.
Having 50%+ of their Killteams sold out is a horrible look for a game's accessibility.
I did the preorder for Soul Shackle. Now several days later I get told that they may be delayed 3 weeks, or may not be able to be fulfilled at all. GW really gotta get their stuff together. Nothing like paying out for a preorder and not knowing if you will even get it. The poor retailers, i dunno how they deal with GW's extreme unpredictability on some of these releases.
I ordered a preorder copy each from two different suppliers. One was cancelled/refunded yesterday with no explanation, presumably because their allotment wasn't fulfilled . The other I haven't heard from yet, so fingers crossed.
If it doesn't come through, I guess that's it for my attempt to dabble in Kill Team... Even if the individual components become available separately in time, there is a psychological barrier to paying full price when a discount was originally available.
I have been told to call the local GW Friday to see if the boxes have turned up, then get there first thing Saturday. I hope they restrict purchases to one each, if some scalper buys them all before me I will not be best pleased.
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Patriarch wrote: If it doesn't come through, I guess that's it for my attempt to dabble in Kill Team... Even if the individual components become available separately in time, there is a psychological barrier to paying full price when a discount was originally available.
I have a set of the terrain already, but do want the extra terrain sprue, rules and Arbites.
Managed to grab a copy of soulshackle at a shop in a neighboring town. They were among the lucky whose allotted order was filled. Great box, and worth noting the Arbites are smaller than the Necromunda Enforcers. Not by a huge margin, but comparable to the difference between new Kasrkin and new Cadian shock troops.
Ah, no. The previous three times that I've ordered stuff (Ash Wastes, Eldrich Omens, etc.) there have been Saturday shipping notifications.
Maybe everyone decided to take the weekend off this time...
Did you order it for delivery to store or a non-store address?
As mentioned? Delivery to store is a different beast to non-store delivery.
It is worth mentioning in any regards that the "Saturday shipping notifications" for preorders are delayed if you're doing in-store pickup under this stupid new system they're using. I got emails yesterday at 1:21AM about my Kasrkin "being on their way!" when they had been at the store since Wednesday.
By comparison, you'll get a shipping notification usually on Monday or Tuesday if doing an order to home.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Shipping to a US address which then forwards to Cairo, so i wont get anything for a month or so anyway.
But just to be sure, ordering from GW not only means full price but, as an added bonus, you get stuff after the stores?
Yeah, the days of "We'll ship it to you so that you get it at street date" are long gone. But not shipping on street date is new...
Personally, I pre-ordered this Kill Team box from GW (shipped to a residential address) because I don't have a friendly local game store and the online game store I normally use sells out of their GW pre-orders fast.
I frequently get the shipment notification from GW the day of the delivery, sometimes even after having received the “we have a parcel for you” note from the actual shipping company days before.
Is GW having issues fulfilling initial preorders for this box?
Due to FLGS stocking issues we got stuck ordering from GW direct and it hasn't even shipped yet. Oddly enough, we already received our Bloodhunt box (same street date) from a third party.
GrosseSax wrote: Is GW having issues fulfilling initial preorders for this box?
Due to FLGS stocking issues we got stuck ordering from GW direct and it hasn't even shipped yet. Oddly enough, we already received our Bloodhunt box (same street date) from a third party.
Long story short it seems to be a combination of multiple factors:
- Worldwide logistics still suffer significant delays due to the backlog caused by Covid - this seems to impact incoming orders for GW products as well as outgoing product for Asia, Oceania and sometimes the Americas
- GW has ongoing problems with their ERP software suite - this has been going on for years now, and they repeatedly brought in external experts to fix it, but ERP software is notorious for being extremely bitchy to work with, and especially to switch software systems, so problems that go on for years are not unheard of
- Brexit still impacts a lot of import/exports to and from the UK, which can cause delays mainly in Europe
- On top of that, due to the cost-of-living situation in the UK, there have been massive strikes in the transport sector and related sectors in the UK, causing further delays
- Several other countries and companies are also hit by strikes, most notorious probably Deutsche Post / DHL which does a lot of shipping not only in Germany but also the rest of Europe, this also causes delays in pretty much all of the european postal/shipping systems because both shipments carried by DP/DHL and unrelated shipments caught in the backlog are affected
A lot of the blame can be put on GW, but the situation in Europe is pretty messed up in general.
Has anyone noticed that the Gallowdark flooring has been seen in a lot of promo picts by now, and AFAIK even shown with alternate paintjobs, hinting at the possibility of plastic floortiles (say, when Season 2 wraps up?)
tauist wrote: Has anyone noticed that the Gallowdark flooring has been seen in a lot of promo picts by now, and AFAIK even shown with alternate paintjobs, hinting at the possibility of plastic floortiles (say, when Season 2 wraps up?)
A poster on B&C mentioned that it's a board used for the WH+ Battle Reports (don't have WH+ myself, so can't check).
No indication that this will become a retail product, but I sure hope so. The only "real" link is the fact that the loose grille
elements from the Void War Bases have the same look..
tauist wrote: Has anyone noticed that the Gallowdark flooring has been seen in a lot of promo picts by now, and AFAIK even shown with alternate paintjobs, hinting at the possibility of plastic floortiles (say, when Season 2 wraps up?)
A poster on B&C mentioned that it's a board used for the WH+ Battle Reports (don't have WH+ myself, so can't check).
No indication that this will become a retail product, but I sure hope so. The only "real" link is the fact that the loose grille
elements from the Void War Bases have the same look..
It's the same board that was photographed for the cardboard boards in the Gallowdark boxes. I assume it's a one off built for the box boards using some parts from the base designs to help tie it all together. I don't think it will be made into a retail product but it would be nice.
tauist wrote: Has anyone noticed that the Gallowdark flooring has been seen in a lot of promo picts by now, and AFAIK even shown with alternate paintjobs, hinting at the possibility of plastic floortiles (say, when Season 2 wraps up?)
A poster on B&C mentioned that it's a board used for the WH+ Battle Reports (don't have WH+ myself, so can't check).
No indication that this will become a retail product, but I sure hope so. The only "real" link is the fact that the loose grille
elements from the Void War Bases have the same look..
It's the same board that was photographed for the cardboard boards in the Gallowdark boxes. I assume it's a one off built for the box boards using some parts from the base designs to help tie it all together. I don't think it will be made into a retail product but it would be nice.
Maybe they'll do it - the Zone Mortalis base plate is a thing, so i can be done in an economically feasible way, but with GW you never know.
Are the Necromunda floor plates marked as made in China? That being the case and logistics problems is the only reason I can think of for why we wouldn't already have them in plastic if they're going to be released.
The Phazer wrote: Are the Necromunda floor plates marked as made in China? That being the case and logistics problems is the only reason I can think of for why we wouldn't already have them in plastic if they're going to be released.
Several reviews say yes, so you're probably right on the mao-ney.
Good news for everyone who missed out on the Shadowvaults extra terrain, it's back on the main GW site. Already sold out but this time it's showing as "temporarily unavailable, email me for restorck" so at least it's not completely OOP.
I preordered mine initially but the product still hasn't shipped?! ..signs point to some logistical SNAFU for sure
tauist wrote: Good news for everyone who missed out on the Shadowvaults extra terrain, it's back on the main GW site. Already sold out but this time it's showing as "temporarily unavailable, email me for restorck" so at least it's not completely OOP.
I preordered mine initially but the product still hasn't shipped?! ..signs point to some logistical SNAFU for sure
I already got my set. Came in an actual cardboard box with images, not a white one.
Hope they decide to release the other upgrade sprues on their own. At this point I have plenty of the basic walls, but would go for an extra set of both the punch walls plus consoles and the into the dark extra bits.
I was kind of expecting to see Gallowfall hit preorders next week, but seems I was wrong. So season 3 will already be revealed before Gallowfall arrives.. Guessing GW is not expecting the new season reveals to cannibalize on any Gallowfall sales? I mean, most of the playerbase are probably stocked on the Gallowdark terrain already.. The new gubbins look tasty tho!
I was kind of expecting to see Gallowfall hit preorders next week, but seems I was wrong. So season 3 will already be revealed before Gallowfall arrives.. Guessing GW is not expecting the new season reveals to cannibalize on any Gallowfall sales? I mean, most of the playerbase are probably stocked on the Gallowdark terrain already.. The new gubbins look tasty tho!
They may want to release it together with the next warcry box that will get shown off this weekend but still strange
The Votann team and the escape pods are the big draw for me, but any extra gallowdark terrain is great for adding extra shelves to display cases.
Just build a properly sized U, put it on your shelf, then place a sheet of acrylic or glass on top. Won't fit vehicles or a full army, of course, but it's great for showing off a pair of kill teams and is very stackable.
tauist wrote: Has anyone noticed that the Gallowdark flooring has been seen in a lot of promo picts by now, and AFAIK even shown with alternate paintjobs, hinting at the possibility of plastic floortiles (say, when Season 2 wraps up?)
A poster on B&C mentioned that it's a board used for the WH+ Battle Reports (don't have WH+ myself, so can't check).
No indication that this will become a retail product, but I sure hope so. The only "real" link is the fact that the loose grille
elements from the Void War Bases have the same look..
It's the same board that was photographed for the cardboard boards in the Gallowdark boxes. I assume it's a one off built for the box boards using some parts from the base designs to help tie it all together. I don't think it will be made into a retail product but it would be nice.
Maybe they'll do it - the Zone Mortalis base plate is a thing, so i can be done in an economically feasible way, but with GW you never know.
Speaking of the Zone Mortalis: Floor Tile Set, has anyone tried or seen if the Gallowdark walls slot into those floors like the ZM walls and columns?
But what is even more interesting is the flooring in these picts. I don't recall seeing these kinds of vents on the floor before? This again hints at the possibility of the floor tiling becoming its own plastic kit. I've seen this supposedly "scratch built/one off" flooring in two distinct colour schemes by now, and now we even see a version with these vents in it??
But what is even more interesting is the flooring in these picts. I don't recall seeing these kinds of vents on the floor before? This again hints at the possibility of the floor tiling becoming its own plastic kit. I've seen this supposedly "scratch built/one off" flooring in two distinct colour schemes by now, and now we even see a version with these vents in it??
In the Monday article they said a few weeks so at least not next week
Do we think they are able to be separated from the support bases? I’d like to see some of these used planet side, but the hull brackets would be out of place for escape pods no longer on ship.
Nevelon wrote: Do we think they are able to be separated from the support bases? I’d like to see some of these used planet side, but the hull brackets would be out of place for escape pods no longer on ship.
I think the clamps are separate pieces. Just a gut feeling though.
Nevelon wrote: Do we think they are able to be separated from the support bases? I’d like to see some of these used planet side, but the hull brackets would be out of place for escape pods no longer on ship.
I think the clamps are separate pieces. Just a gut feeling though.
All the silver bits under the red pod look like they can be cast as a single piece. There are no undercuts with different alignment there, even on the clamps.
At a guess I'd say it'll be pod front, pod back, and base. If the little thrusters on the sides have vents, they'd have to be separate as well.
Edit: Technically front and back don't have to be separate. You'd get a solid chunk of plastic if they're not. I have no experience with recent GW terrain, so I have no idea if they'd do that over a hollow core like they normally do.
They don't seem to fit Beastmen either. Like any good Imperial technology, even escape pods are designed to further the eradication of mutants and abhumans. As they should.
NAVARRO wrote: Maybe its just the angle but why those mini drop pods look like they are not wide enough to even fit a Votann?
As I understand it, the 'savior pods' are literally last chance 'vacuum lifeboats' when abandoning ship. You squeeze in there when there's no chance to get to a shuttle, or a drop pod, or a pressurized space suit. They are tiny because they are literally never supposed to be used unless the ship is entirely fethed. So no one wants to make them take up more room or more resources than absolutely necessary. It's the difference between a bed and an emergency sleeping bag. I suspect a Votann (or a beastman) could fit in one if they weren't wearing rigid armor and squished their limbs tightly to their sides (and then, the beastman's horns would stop the pod from closing).
Shadow Walker wrote: So what are your hopes for tomorrow's reveal? I would like to see some AdMech or GSC or Nids teams.
A season of jungle terrain battles. Enough with imperial ruins, please, let us have more natural terrain for a change. Nids would be cool in this environment as well as Eldar Exodites. A jungle maiden world infiltrated be hive fleet vanguard organisms, maybe?
Nevelon wrote: Do we think they are able to be separated from the support bases? I’d like to see some of these used planet side, but the hull brackets would be out of place for escape pods no longer on ship.
The previous KT edition's Rogue Trader expansion, that introduced the Starstriders, had some of these included as terrain, also with front/back plate that could optionally be left off to show the interior, and had a much thinner 'base'. Who knows how much they'd cost now, though.
A season of jungle terrain battles. Enough with imperial ruins, please, let us have more natural terrain for a change. Nids would be cool in this environment as well as Eldar Exodites. A jungle maiden world infiltrated be hive fleet vanguard organisms, maybe?
NAVARRO wrote: Maybe its just the angle but why those mini drop pods look like they are not wide enough to even fit a Votann?
As I understand it, the 'savior pods' are literally last chance 'vacuum lifeboats' when abandoning ship. You squeeze in there when there's no chance to get to a shuttle, or a drop pod, or a pressurized space suit. They are tiny because they are literally never supposed to be used unless the ship is entirely fethed. So no one wants to make them take up more room or more resources than absolutely necessary. It's the difference between a bed and an emergency sleeping bag. I suspect a Votann (or a beastman) could fit in one if they weren't wearing rigid armor and squished their limbs tightly to their sides (and then, the beastman's horns would stop the pod from closing).
GW vehicles have always required squeezing, I doubt you could get a marine in one of these either.
That being said I'd love to see some full sized escape pods instead of these one man versions. I'd guess a 1 man escape pod is only for top ranked officers, you wouldn't want any of the 20,000 commoners on a ship to get one before the Vice Lieutenant in charge of tea services does.
NAVARRO wrote: Maybe its just the angle but why those mini drop pods look like they are not wide enough to even fit a Votann?
As I understand it, the 'savior pods' are literally last chance 'vacuum lifeboats' when abandoning ship. You squeeze in there when there's no chance to get to a shuttle, or a drop pod, or a pressurized space suit. They are tiny because they are literally never supposed to be used unless the ship is entirely fethed. So no one wants to make them take up more room or more resources than absolutely necessary. It's the difference between a bed and an emergency sleeping bag. I suspect a Votann (or a beastman) could fit in one if they weren't wearing rigid armor and squished their limbs tightly to their sides (and then, the beastman's horns would stop the pod from closing).
GW vehicles have always required squeezing, I doubt you could get a marine in one of these either.
That being said I'd love to see some full sized escape pods instead of these one man versions. I'd guess a 1 man escape pod is only for top ranked officers, you wouldn't want any of the 20,000 commoners on a ship to get one before the Vice Lieutenant in charge of tea services does.
Bold of you to assume the guys chained to their guns get to even try to escape.
But really, I expect that ratings and the like get stuffed into the corners of the ship’s complement of lighters, shuttles, and cargo haulers as they make best effort to get out via the standard launch tubes. The imperium’s general disregard for individual human lives basically demands it.
So I did call it! We're splitting Gallowfall with a mate, I'll just grab the book, Beastmen and the extra gubbins, he'll take the board, walls and votann
Gallowfall is the last part of the saga of the space hulk Gallowdark, wherein it falls er blows the feth up. Sine it was headed for an inhabited planet, this is both good and bad; now you no longer have one single earth-shattering impact, but you get lots of little ones, all full of gribblies, and probably a minor warp rift in the middle of the system.
Personally, I’m hoping that the next season continues the story on whatever planet gets hit by most of the debris/impromptu assault craft… so jungle ruins aren’t off the table; it’d just be ruined spacecraft bits rather than old buildings.
I wouldn't be surprised if the next season has nothing to do with the Gallowdark at all. We never went back to octarius either. But I am happy that they pulled through a whole season on a theme. I hope they do that again.
GiToRaZor wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if the next season has nothing to do with the Gallowdark at all. We never went back to octarius either. But I am happy that they pulled through a whole season on a theme. I hope they do that again.
I think the design philosophy has changed with Kill Team a little bit, to make it similar in storyline to the Warcry and Underworlds games. Each expansion building off of the previous one.
Like I could expect the next season of Kill Team going into a forested or jungle area, and a later season venturing into an urban sprawl, Tomb complex or alien base.
Be prepared for a disappointing reveal of a cut-down hulk set as a new starter, just like when the original Krieg/Ork KT set was re-released with less terrain.
If the new season gives us new terrain to go with the narrative, all for that! I quite liked this season and what we got.
Hopefully I can snatch both Gallowfall and the terrain pack next weekend, I do want me that medical equipment and some dorfs to convert into a Deep Rock crew of my own.
The Phazer wrote: If they are going to release the saviour pods sprue separately, could we please also do the same with the generator sprue from Gallowdark. Please?
Valrak says he was wrong about the Kill Team set to be announced tomorrow - it's an Inquisitorial retinue vs Scorpions instead.
I thought those generators came in the "Killzone: Gallowdark" box, no? IIRC it comes with all the same terrain + extras sprues as Into the Dark did..
Anyways, keen to see where S3 takes us. New season launch boxes are always great value, and come with 100% new models and terrain. Unfortunately, all three remaining boxes for every season before have just been recycled terrain, although with some new scatter stuff in every box during S2, I hope they keep this up (despite my wallet's objections)
INQ vs Scorpions would be a treat! We will know more in 3,5 hours..
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Shakalooloo wrote: Be prepared for a disappointing reveal of a cut-down hulk set as a new starter, just like when the original Krieg/Ork KT set was re-released with less terrain.
what are you on about? Surely you're kidding? Season launch boxes are historically the hest KT21 boxes
Shakalooloo wrote: Be prepared for a disappointing reveal of a cut-down hulk set as a new starter, just like when the original Krieg/Ork KT set was re-released with less terrain.
what are you on about? Surely you're kidding? Season launch boxes are historically the hest KT21 boxes
They don’t mean the original Krieg vs Ork set, they mean the current starter set you can get with those teams and less terrain (so this one would be the breachers and kroot I think if they did the same thing?)
Shakalooloo wrote: Be prepared for a disappointing reveal of a cut-down hulk set as a new starter, just like when the original Krieg/Ork KT set was re-released with less terrain.
Yeah I dunno... they've given an entire preview slot over to Kill-Team by itself, rather than mixing it with other things.
If it was all that for a half-assed new starterset with a half-set of boarding action sprues, I don't think that'd be worth the time taken. They could've tacked that to the end of the 40k show.
BrookM wrote: Hopefully I can snatch both Gallowfall and the terrain pack next weekend, I do want me that medical equipment and some dorfs to convert into a Deep Rock crew of my own.
The medical terrain and the stasis pods are amazing. I'll be parts ordering those sprues for sure.
Almost got the last one new terrain sprue, but I don't have any of the regular current KT terrain, so didn't need the exploded walls as much as I wanted the computer terminals/planning table.
Shakalooloo wrote: Be prepared for a disappointing reveal of a cut-down hulk set as a new starter, just like when the original Krieg/Ork KT set was re-released with less terrain.
Yeah I dunno... they've given an entire preview slot over to Kill-Team by itself, rather than mixing it with other things.
If it was all that for a half-assed new starterset with a half-set of boarding action sprues, I don't think that'd be worth the time taken. They could've tacked that to the end of the 40k show.
You also get a half-assed roadmap on top
I guess it'll be the roadmap, the 'Ashes of Faith' set Valrak has been going on about (if he knows the name it's in the preview window, based on my theory about who his sources are) and possible the Scouts vs. Aspect Warrior set on top, one of which is the starter box for the next season.
If we're lucky, we might get art/info on top of that, but i'd expect some boring stuff like re-releases, card packs, non-miniature expansions etc. among that.
Shakalooloo wrote: Be prepared for a disappointing reveal of a cut-down hulk set as a new starter, just like when the original Krieg/Ork KT set was re-released with less terrain.
Yeah I dunno... they've given an entire preview slot over to Kill-Team by itself, rather than mixing it with other things.
If it was all that for a half-assed new starterset with a half-set of boarding action sprues, I don't think that'd be worth the time taken. They could've tacked that to the end of the 40k show.
You also get a half-assed roadmap on top
I guess it'll be the roadmap, the 'Ashes of Faith' set Valrak has been going on about (if he knows the name it's in the preview window, based on my theory about who his sources are) and possible the Scouts vs. Aspect Warrior set on top, one of which is the starter box for the next season.
If we're lucky, we might get art/info on top of that, but i'd expect some boring stuff like re-releases, card packs, non-miniature expansions etc. among that.
Just to clarify his latest infos said it will be Inquistion vs Striking Scorpions
Shakalooloo wrote: Be prepared for a disappointing reveal of a cut-down hulk set as a new starter, just like when the original Krieg/Ork KT set was re-released with less terrain.
Yeah I dunno... they've given an entire preview slot over to Kill-Team by itself, rather than mixing it with other things.
If it was all that for a half-assed new starterset with a half-set of boarding action sprues, I don't think that'd be worth the time taken. They could've tacked that to the end of the 40k show.
You also get a half-assed roadmap on top
I guess it'll be the roadmap, the 'Ashes of Faith' set Valrak has been going on about (if he knows the name it's in the preview window, based on my theory about who his sources are) and possible the Scouts vs. Aspect Warrior set on top, one of which is the starter box for the next season.
If we're lucky, we might get art/info on top of that, but i'd expect some boring stuff like re-releases, card packs, non-miniature expansions etc. among that.
Just to clarify his latest infos said it will be Inquistion vs Striking Scorpions
Must have missed that, is that in yesterday's video?
It's a GW roadmap. They're all half-assed. Every single one of them - except that HH one - basically amount to "In the future, there will be additional products!".
Tsagualsa wrote: I guess it'll be the roadmap, the 'Ashes of Faith' set Valrak has been going on about (if he knows the name it's in the preview window, based on my theory about who his sources are) and possible the Scouts vs. Aspect Warrior set on top, one of which is the starter box for the next season.
Matrindur wrote: Just to clarify his latest infos said it will be Inquistion vs Striking Scorpions
Scouts vs "Aspect Warrior" would work. Inquisition vs Scorps sounds interesting, mainly because it might mean the Inquisition get a release that isn't yet another special character.
Updated Scouts I can definitely see them doing, certainly getting us away from the "Man-Chin" versions that have always looked off (especially compared to the previous metals). Scorpions? Sure. They're another Aspect that needs an update. Here's hoping there are 10 of them in there, and they don't cheap out like that expansion that came with 5 Flayed Ones.
Shakalooloo wrote: Be prepared for a disappointing reveal of a cut-down hulk set as a new starter, just like when the original Krieg/Ork KT set was re-released with less terrain.
what are you on about? Surely you're kidding? Season launch boxes are historically the hest KT21 boxes
They don’t mean the original Krieg vs Ork set, they mean the current starter set you can get with those teams and less terrain (so this one would be the breachers and kroot I think if they did the same thing?)
I don't see GW redoing the KT21 starter set. Why would they? Just to correct the typo on the og "Rob and Ransack" tac ops card? With Season 2 coming to a close, it also signals the end of close confines games and a return to "Open world" games with vantage points etc. The current starter will be totally fine for that. Take 40K 9th edition starters as an example, they are still being sold by GW, and will only be replaced when 10th edition arrives.
I would be over the moon if we get an Inquisition retinue in Kill Team.
I’ve also heard there might be a Codex Imperial Agents and an Imperial Agents Combat Patrol for 10th, so having Inquisition retinues could really go a long way to willing those out.
Sabotage! wrote: I would be over the moon if we get an Inquisition retinue in Kill Team.
I’ve also heard there might be a Codex Imperial Agents and an Imperial Agents Combat Patrol for 10th, so having Inquisition retinues could really go a long way to willing those out.
Valrak thinks they're coming, and Imperial Agents get their own datasheet deck (while e.g. Chaos Knights get condensed with regular Knights) so the signs point at them being soft-launched via Killteams etc.
Wouldn't be surprised if we only see the Inquisition team today and maybe the terrain for the next season but will have to wait for the striking scorpions
I'm going to have a look in my glass orb that is shaped like a pair of butt cheeks and pull out the following portent:
KT Season 3 will be on an Eldar Maiden World that came out of a Warp Storm after 10+ millenia.
Inquisition is fighting Eldar for its secrets, while all other races speed in to claim the world for themselves.
The threat of Leviathan looms heavily (we will finally have a bespoke Tyranid KT this season)
The terrain in warp/tyranid tainted jungle over the year.
What have I done...I have expectations now, that somehow everybody could be happy. What ever comes now, I will be disappointed.
GiToRaZor wrote: The terrain in warp/tyranid tainted jungle over the year.
As someone who has a pile of jungle/death world terrain waiting in the wings to be built painted, including several boxes of jungle vines and bracken, a Lizardmen pyramid kit, and enough spare ruins to use with all those vines... you're getting my hopes up!
