I'm giving GW the benefit of the doubt on this one that the goal is just to re-base all marines (and a couple of units from multiple armies) so they look more imposing on the tabletop. Bases aren't ridiculously priced so I don't see this as a big revenue generator, although I'm puzzled why they wouldn't offer these in any location other than direct.
And like crimson said, 32mm is the size of the flying base, so it's not something entirely new.
The Power Cosmic wrote: The round-edged bases used by many other companies are 30mm, 40mm, and 50mm (plus 120mm for the huge stuff). I don't think it's too large of a leap to suppose that's why GW didn't choose 30mm.
Actually, I think they picked 32mm because it's almost in the middle between 25mm and 40mm.
This. They can't do a 32.5 mm base (well, they could), so they round down to 32 for symmetry.
1.25 inches is 31.75mm. I would guess that GW have gone for a "metric" 1.25" the same way the 25mm base is a rounded-off 1-inch base.
For the people who plan on rebasing their models: have you considered that you'll also probably need to devise new transport for your models? I know my foam trays are obsessively planned; any changes to base size of my models would make all my foam useless and I'd probably need at least one extra tray for every three or four that I have now.
Ha! Now we see this dastardly plot for what it truly is: a plan to make us buy MORE foam trays!
Okay, speaking absolutely crazy stuff here, but what if the painters who did the models in WD were told that larger bases are just more scenic so use them for illustration pieces or didn't have any 25mm on hand and thought "eh, what does it matter" or I don't know, it was an accident? Some new guy thought "man, these smaller ones look too small, i take one size bigger" ?
It's not the change in base size that bothers me (though overhang has been an issue for decades, why couldn't they do this like 20 years ago?).
It's (much like the ET Softbacks) GW being too....incompetent or naïve....to get out in front of it and say "this is what we're doing and why, now you guys can go make an informed choice about what you want to do with your models".
Is all of 40k moving to 32mm? Just MEQ?
I want to do a HH SoH army, for me, considering the money involved in such a project, it's an important consideration.
Kosake wrote: Okay, speaking absolutely crazy stuff here, but what if the painters who did the models in WD were told that larger bases are just more scenic so use them for illustration pieces or didn't have any 25mm on hand and thought "eh, what does it matter" or I don't know, it was an accident? Some new guy thought "man, these smaller ones look too small, i take one size bigger" ?
Then that guy showed us how god-emperor dumb we have been for using tiny bases for models who clearly needed a bigger one
I really love how ANYTHING GW ever does must be for malicious reasons and to screw their customers over. I swear, if you people had your way, GW would be on the Terrorist Watch List.
Heck, even when they flat out say that people don't need to rebase all their miniatures and that this was done because the Space Marines don't fit on the 25mm base very well (AND THEY DON'T! FFS PEOPLE!), people STILL don their aluminum foil hats and claim that GW MUST be lying have some sort of nefarious plot to take a dump in your Cheerios.
Don't get me wrong, GW has done some things that can't be defended (the least of which is their price gouging), but seriously, people are actively looking for reasons to hate on them.
@casvalremdeikun: I agree but GW has done so many batgak crazy things that people begin to question their intent at every step and I can't blame them since we've had the arrival of micro-transactions and other nonsense that was/could/should have been made available for free, as well as all the other nonsense they've pulled over the last 5 years or so. For me I think it's a bit of a Hanlon's Razor "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
All this could have been sorted by a nice little message in White Dwarf or on their website 'You may have noticed...'. I agree that the more dynamic Marines have gotten the more the 25mm bases look silly and are in a way impractical but for me this whole 'saga' just shows how out of touch GW is with at least a fair portion of its gaming community. If it's an aesthetic choice then the new sets should come with both 25mm and 32mm bases - I'm guessing they won't which would be stupid but we'll wait and see.
Tannhauser42 wrote: If you bothered to read my whole post, you would understand my point is that, in time, if all marines use the new base, how will you prove to a tournament organizer that your marines with 25mm bases were bought before the change?
You can't and no sane person would ask you to do so.
Yeah. The current (fully plastic) marines have been around in some form or another since 3rd edition. 24 Years ago.
Accolade wrote: Bases aren't ridiculously priced so I don't see this as a big revenue generator.
NEWSFLASH!!! GW MINTS .50 PIECES MADE OF BLACK PLASTIC AT A COST OF PENNIES! GW STOCKS SPIKE TO ALL TIME HIGH AS EXISTING CUSTOMERS BUY MIILLIONS TO RE-BASE MODELS!!!
Yes, GW will make no money on this. Nope, none at all. The margins are going to be so horrible on these bases that GW wouldn't possibly consider making even more new bases/changing other models to different bases, because the design, mold tooling, and production of bases is one of the most time consuming and cost-intensive things that GW does. Oh, wait...
What are those new 50mm bases on the GW site for? I don't recall them being there so long ago, nor many models using them, but those Tyranid Warriors in the Shield of Baal: Deathstorm set do seem to be on bases that are just the tiniest bit more "roomy", don't they? Surely GW wouldn't want people to spend $4.95 to re-base just three models, would they? And what base is that Carnifex in the Shield of Baal: Deathstorm set now on? I dare say it no longer appears to be as round, or as small as it once was. Surely GW wouldn't expect anyone to spend $4.95 to re-base just one model, would they?
The 32mm bases are the tip of the wallet -impaling iceberg, and even if people have the wallet out of their back pockets, they will still not escape unscathed due to the special rules for the Iceberg of Buggering. Unless, of course, people simply decide that they are not going to re-base any of their models, which they may very well do. The first company that makes alternative 32mm bases in plastic, in this style, and doesn't charge .50 cents EACH for them, will sell lots. The other size bases won't likely be made in plastic by anyone, but the resin base companies will take their bite of that soon enough as well, because it is a simple enough thing to take larger existing bases and simply mill them down to 32mm (or whatever other size they require) and make new molds. They are probably already at work on it.
And of course this is just PHASE 1. PHASE 2 will be in the form of leaked pics of a new Tactical Squad box about which people will comment, "Hmm. Those are definitely new Tactical Squad models...but they seem to have accidentally based them on 25mm bases instead of 32mm bases. What bunch of morons!", to which some rumor-monger will reply, "Those aren't 25mm bases. ".
1.25 inches is 31.75mm. I would guess that GW have gone for a "metric" 1.25" the same way the 25mm base is a rounded-off 1-inch base.
For the people who plan on rebasing their models: have you considered that you'll also probably need to devise new transport for your models? I know my foam trays are obsessively planned; any changes to base size of my models would make all my foam useless and I'd probably need at least one extra tray for every three or four that I have now.
Ha! Now we see this dastardly plot for what it truly is: a plan to make us buy MORE foam trays!
Math to the rescue! That makes alot of sense.
I also agree on the trays. it will make a significant difference to anyone using 25mm/1inch wide or deep trays cavities. However, I think most folks are already putting their marines in cavities that are 1.25 or 1.5 inches deep and wide.
As for myself, I make custom trays with 1 inch round cavities, that hold the minis upright so there's no way I'd be using my existing trays with these bases.
Yeah, there's essentially no design cost; it's a flat disc with a sloped edge, just like the 25mm CAD file they've got but enlarged to 32mm.
The mould will be trivial to make as well, in terms of cutting time because it's 1 part with no fancy detail.
These bases will be getting banged out at well under $0.01 each, sold in bags of 10 for $4.95. That probably leaves $4.90 per bag to cover the bag (~$0.01), the cardboard topper (~$0.05) and the labour of packing and boxing them (?? Call it $0.50).
So we're at about $0.75 to get to a shipping box of them, even 100% distribution markup and 100% retail markup only puts them at $3.
They per-unit cost of the design and mould will be essentially nothing, because of the huge production run involved, since each base size will be amortized across dozens of SKUs.
I'd go so far as to say that plastic bases are the most profitable item GW sells, on a percentage per item basis. Way ahead of even e-books.
As a cynic who expects them to shaft their customers, changing bases is potentially the easiest way to make a lot of money quickly.
That said, with the scale creep and heroic poses, some units could do with bigger bases to deal with overhang/balance issues.
Edit: there are companies selling 10x 30mm plastic bases for £1 (~$1.50) and still making a profit, but without GW's scale. That's over 200% GW tax.
remember what happened when fourth edition came out?
yeah, we all kept playing 3rd edition!
i do the same with 40k (30k for me - ordo reductor rules!) we play 6th edition with the apocalypse expansion.
do the same with the bases - dont give them any mind.
maybe we should all get a little more bloody-minded about picking an edition/base size and sticking with it - im fed up of a new rulebook coming out every two-or-so years
I am starting a Chaos Space Marine army this holiday, and I was alarmed by all of this base stuff. I wanted to go ahead and use the new base size if that's what things were switchign to. So I emailed customer service about it because the link on the GW webstore was broken, and here's what I got:
"These bases are intended to be used for Space Marines, and other Space Marine sized miniatures.
If you wanted to re-base your Chaos army onto these bases, then this would be absoloutley [sic] fine."
They stated that IF you WANTED to re-base your miniatures, that would be fine. I take that as "it's optional." Seeing as I'm just starting out (and haven't even bought any miniatures yet), I'm going to go ahead and use these larger bases. It'll give me more space for scenic stuff.
Personally, I'm excited and I think these will look good. The new Putrid Blightkings for WFB look fantastic on their 40mm bases. It gives them plenty of room to look dynamic and add fancy base stuff.
This whole thing is massively confusing as someone who just got back into the hobby in the last couple months.
I'm already pissed off enough that I was told I'd have to re-base my old metal Terminators onto 40mm bases if I want to actually play with them, what a joke.
I'm just about to paint and base around 55 marine models, and have already created bases for about 40 orks. So... If I get told in 6 months time I'm gonna have to re-base them for them to be game legal I'm not gonna be super happy.
People are still running around with Wraithguard and even Terminators on the small bases. Is not the rule for basing that you get to use whatever base the model was shipped with?
I've never seen anything that would indicate GW would expect and demand all players to rebase their models. In fact, everything indicates that GW doesn't care, at all, how you play the game.
I have seem it mentioned on the interweb that the plan by GW is that they will make it compulsory for models to use these bases if involved in official GW games... given that most of their stores are 1 man stores (no room to play) and they don't run tournaments any more I can't see how this would have an impact
Wolfstan wrote: I have seem it mentioned on the interweb that the plan by GW is that they will make it compulsory for models to use these bases if involved in official GW games... given that most of their stores are 1 man stores (no room to play) and they don't run tournaments any more I can't see how this would have an impact
Colpicklejar wrote: In fact, everything indicates that GW doesn't care, at all, how you play the game.
The base size does have an impact though, in terms of figures you can get into base contact, for spacing and blasts etc. So whilst GW doesn't care, your opponent or TO might if it seems you're using nonstandard bases for advantage. And since GW store turnover is huge you'll likely start getting hassle for using the wrong bases on older stuff if you're ever in.
I don't think it's that big a deal though, and can be fixed by the spacer rings already available.
The_A_Drain wrote: This whole thing is massively confusing as someone who just got back into the hobby in the last couple months.
I'm already pissed off enough that I was told I'd have to re-base my old metal Terminators onto 40mm bases if I want to actually play with them, what a joke.
I'm just about to paint and base around 55 marine models, and have already created bases for about 40 orks. So... If I get told in 6 months time I'm gonna have to re-base them for them to be game legal I'm not gonna be super happy.
If anyone told you to debase your metal terminators than that's a local/tourney thing. GW have never required that.
People need to start reading instead of writing page long incoherent rants trying to show how clever and cynical they are.
I'm already pissed off enough that I was told I'd have to re-base my old metal Terminators onto 40mm bases if I want to actually play with them, what a joke.
casvalremdeikun wrote: I really love how ANYTHING GW ever does must be for malicious reasons and to screw their customers over. I swear, if you people had your way, GW would be on the Terrorist Watch List.
Heck, even when they flat out say that people don't need to rebase all their miniatures and that this was done because the Space Marines don't fit on the 25mm base very well (AND THEY DON'T! FFS PEOPLE!), people STILL don their aluminum foil hats and claim that GW MUST be lying have some sort of nefarious plot to take a dump in your Cheerios.
Don't get me wrong, GW has done some things that can't be defended (the least of which is their price gouging), but seriously, people are actively looking for reasons to hate on them.
And that's precisely what happens when you burn up all of the good will your customers have towards you whilst still acting antagonistically towards your customers, retailers,and fans. I certainly don't think the decisions GW makes are malicious or out to "screw" their customers. They are acting as a company that is, albeit in a very ham-fisted way, attempting to maximize their profits. That is modern corporate capitalism at its finest. Nothing nefarious, but I am not longer willing to give them the slightest benefit of doubt.
It reminds me of a story of when my boss was offered the choice of sticking with her original retirement plan or the one that her employer *swore* would be better for her... If your have a lot of good will towards the employer, you might be willing to trust them. But if they've given you reason to doubt, you'd better look carefully! My boss did, and she stuck with her previous plan and will be far, far, far better off when she retires because of it.
shabbadoo wrote: The first company that makes alternative 32mm bases in plastic, in this style, and doesn't charge .50 cents EACH for them, will sell lots.
Well, for what it's worth, these are obviously not exactly the same diameter but the UK, at least, has had 30mm chamfer-edge non-PP/lipped/tractor-tire plastic bases available for a while. EM4, Heresy, Hasslefree etc. etc. Basically anyone who gets their base stock from dice.co.uk. I've played around with a few meself:
Wolfstan wrote: I have seem it mentioned on the interweb that the plan by GW is that they will make it compulsory for models to use these bases if involved in official GW games... given that most of their stores are 1 man stores (no room to play) and they don't run tournaments any more I can't see how this would have an impact
Wolfstan wrote: I have seem it mentioned on the interweb that the plan by GW is that they will make it compulsory for models to use these bases if involved in official GW games... given that most of their stores are 1 man stores (no room to play) and they don't run tournaments any more I can't see how this would have an impact
"Some guys idea" doesn't really qualify as an official source. There is no more fact in that editorial than there is in this very thread, possibly less.
shabbadoo wrote: The first company that makes alternative 32mm bases in plastic, in this style, and doesn't charge .50 cents EACH for them, will sell lots.
Well, for what it's worth, these are obviously not exactly the same diameter but the UK, at least, has had 30mm chamfer-edge non-PP/lipped/tractor-tire plastic bases available for a while. EM4, Heresy, Hasslefree etc. etc. Basically anyone who gets their base stock from dice.co.uk. I've played around with a few meself:
Not to penalize you for not reading a lengthly thread, but it has already been noted that 30mm (both lipped and chisel sided) are widely available from places like EM4.
Eilif wrote: Not to penalize you for not reading a lengthly thread, but it has already been noted that 30mm (both lipped and chisel sided) are widely available from places like EM4.
D'oh! Missed the non-lipped notice. Ah well, bears repeating sometimes.
Eilif wrote: Not to penalize you for not reading a lengthly thread, but it has already been noted that 30mm (both lipped and chisel sided) are widely available from places like EM4.
D'oh! Missed the non-lipped notice. Ah well, bears repeating sometimes.
And they are 8 for a $1 at Miniatures Market right now, at least the old Confrontation ones.
IDK about SMs but I put my plastic Tau XV25 Stealth Suits on to 40mm bases when they first came out in 2006 because they were far too large for the supplied 25mm bases.
Eilif wrote: Not to penalize you for not reading a lengthly thread, but it has already been noted that 30mm (both lipped and chisel sided) are widely available from places like EM4.
D'oh! Missed the non-lipped notice. Ah well, bears repeating sometimes.
And they are 8 for a $1 at Miniatures Market right now, at least the old Confrontation ones.
That's a very nice deal. IIRC, the Confrontation bases are 4mm tall rather than 3, but the half-chiseled-half-strait side does look nice and sharp. A very nice compromise between the PP style big curves (which leave only 23mm of basing area) and the GW style chisel which is rather plain. I've got a whole bag of 40mm Confrontation bases that I took off of Wulfen that I rebased for Kings of War.
When the Miniatures market sale is over or if you prefer slope sided bases, you can always get 30mm PP style, GW Cav style 25x50mm and 25mm and 40mm square bases for $.15 each at Recreational Conflict.
http://recreationalconflict.lusagi.com/proxieterrain.html I always buy at least some bases from their stall at Little Wars. They have big buckets and you just take out however many you need.
If mail ordering, RecCon is much cheaper for 40mm squares than anywhere else. EM4 is cheaper for 25mm sqaures and they are about the same for the other two (not counting shipping which is more from UK to US). Between RecCon, Em4 and Proxie, I get all my bases taken care of for very little $.
The thing that bothers me about these new base sizes is the intentional use of an unused size, attempting to make them proprietary.
I would also note that the recess on lipped Warmachine style bases is almost perfect for a 25mm 40k style base.
32mm is the same size as a small flying base, been mentioned many many times, it's not a completely arbitrary move, it's really not meant to make them proprietary.
Does Dakka have a new filter system that only makes lunatic posts visible? How many times do the same conspiracy theories need to be addressed.
Except that the "adapter" doesn't stay on, as there is no angle cut on the interior facing of the ring. Don't make it easy or anything by simply doing that, such that people could apply glue..the adapter...and nothing more. Poor design. Back to the drawing board with it.
I could almost see a two part adapter that fits better to the angled sides of the base better so there isn't the little crevice where the adapter meets the base. However, these will do the job well enough for those that find them necessary. Given that Basegate isn't even a fortnight old, I think we will probably see more refined designs as time goes on though.
shabbadoo wrote: Except that the "adapter" doesn't stay on, as there is no angle cut on the interior facing of the ring. Don't make it easy or anything by simply doing that, such that people could apply glue..the adapter...and nothing more. Poor design. Back to the drawing board with it.
If you angled the inside of the ring to be flush with the base, it'd need to go on from the top, which won't fit over the mini.
You could do it in 2 parts though and glue round. Or you can slop some filler between base and ring to make a better fit. Or you can just treat them as removable, so you can still use your existing foam trays.
I would also note that the recess on lipped Warmachine style bases is almost perfect for a 25mm 40k style base.
Actually the recess on a warmachine style 30mm base (at least on the ones I've measured) is 23mm across. That's exactly the same basing area as the top of a 25mm slotta. Alot of people don't realize that a 30mm PP/WM style base doesn't really give you any additional basing area or that the "base inserts" for these bases fit exactly on top of a standard slotta as well.
shabbadoo wrote:Except that the "adapter" doesn't stay on, as there is no angle cut on the interior facing of the ring. Don't make it easy or anything by simply doing that, such that people could apply glue..the adapter...and nothing more. Poor design. Back to the drawing board with it.
As has been pointed out, a sloping ring won't work because it has to go over the model.
As long as the ring is a near fit on the bottom all you have to do is put them together set them on a piece of wax paper and squirt a bit of gel superglue in the join. Not really a problem since you were going to have to use superglue anyway, you'll just use a touch more. After they're joined, you can squirt some more superglue in there to fill the void or use the budget option of some PVA. or filler.
If properly put together, you're only going to have a 1mm gap between the top of the adaptor and the top of the base (the top of a slotta is 23mm in diameter) which is nearly negligible. All this to say, the ring adaptor is an excellent solution and one that should work very well.
My only issue is that they are charging about a buck a base for low quantities. I'm sure there will be a company or two along shortly to provide a bit of price competition.
Baragash wrote: It's not the change in base size that bothers me (though overhang has been an issue for decades, why couldn't they do this like 20 years ago?).
It's (much like the ET Softbacks) GW being too....incompetent or naïve....to get out in front of it and say "this is what we're doing and why, now you guys can go make an informed choice about what you want to do with your models".
Is all of 40k moving to 32mm? Just MEQ?
I want to do a HH SoH army, for me, considering the money involved in such a project, it's an important consideration.
This is more or less my concern. If they stood out and say, "we are considering changing some of our ranges (MEQs, Nobz, etc.) from 25 to 32 mm bases", we could argue with some basis, and plan our decisions accordingly. But they just wait until someone realizes those bases are bigger, so rage/disbelief/conspiracy theories rise. They also start selling those bases in their webstore, but who is going to buy them, if we don't know exactly which miniatures can use them?
Personally, from an aesthetic perspective, I think they look great. Ruleswise, there are some considerations to be made. But the main problem here is misinformation, as usual. In any case, it will affect people who are considering starting a new project, so they may be reluctant to spend any money until this is sorted out. I think their secrecy, once more, plays against them.
Vermis wrote: Speaking good of GW doesn't usually indicate superior common sense.
"If you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at all."
The alternative to bitching about GW is not to praise them. You can also do nothing.
Oh man! I gave up paying attention to that old chestnut years ago. Granted, it was more in the field of art instruction than wargame commentary, but still. Negativity bias vs. complacent mediocrity, y'know?
If it happens constantly, might just be because it's constantly needed.
shabbadoo wrote: Except that the "adapter" doesn't stay on, as there is no angle cut on the interior facing of the ring. Don't make it easy or anything by simply doing that, such that people could apply glue..the adapter...and nothing more. Poor design. Back to the drawing board with it.
If you angled the inside of the ring to be flush with the base, it'd need to go on from the top, which won't fit over the mini.
It would fit over quite a few to most minis with a bit of wiggling. Two cuts with a razor saw will take care of any figs that they would not fit over.
shabbadoo wrote: Except that the "adapter" doesn't stay on, as there is no angle cut on the interior facing of the ring. Don't make it easy or anything by simply doing that, such that people could apply glue..the adapter...and nothing more. Poor design. Back to the drawing board with it.
The first thing I'd have to ask is do you actually flock or do anything with your base or are they just black bases and nothing more?
Having used rings before to convert 25 to 30mm bases and 40mm bases to 55mm I can say that if you are flocking, you won't see any of gap, in fact the gap helps you attach it to the base. Green stuff into the gap, flatter to make flush. Apply PVA glue to the edge of the base and reflock to match the rest of the base. Minimal work and you don't even notice you just slid a ring over it. Also simply just superglue gel into the gap around the ring is more than enough to hold the ring to the base.
Now if you don't flock or do anything with your base, then this solution isn't the best for you. In fact it is just easier to remove your miniatures and simply rebase at that point. However a lot of people don't just simply base and it seems a shame to waste all the work spent on the basing.
This is more or less my concern. If they stood out and say, "we are considering changing some of our ranges (MEQs, Nobz, etc.) from 25 to 32 mm bases", we could argue with some basis, and plan our decisions accordingly. But they just wait until someone realizes those bases are bigger, so rage/disbelief/conspiracy theories rise. They also start selling those bases in their webstore, but who is going to buy them, if we don't know exactly which miniatures can use them?
Personally, from an aesthetic perspective, I think they look great. Ruleswise, there are some considerations to be made. But the main problem here is misinformation, as usual. In any case, it will affect people who are considering starting a new project, so they may be reluctant to spend any money until this is sorted out. I think their secrecy, once more, plays against them.
This.
I am primed and ready to drop a significant amount of money to get 32mm bases to re-base LOADs of my models....we are talking multiple armies...Nobs, Stormboys, Lootas (in fact, Orks are all so big, the 32mm could apply to every Ork model except for grots/gretchin - but since boyz are so numerous, I may just keep them on 25s), Tau stealth suits, all of my Dark Angels, Chaos Space Marines, Dark Eldar Incubi, and likely more that I just can't think of at the moment.
It would be really nice to get some official word on which units/models will be utilizing the 32mm bases in the future...
There is absolutely no evidence that gw intends any other armies or models to use 32 mm bases.. I'm really surprised at the level of reaction to a single ba kit using new bases which may simply be for aesthetic reasons!
Kirasu wrote: There is absolutely no evidence that gw intends any other armies or models to use 32 mm bases.. I'm really surprised at the level of reaction to a single ba kit using new bases which may simply be for aesthetic reasons!
TBH, I expected more rage (even from myself), but I think it's a good idea to have bigger bases for bigger infantry. Problem is, changing bases affects the game, that's why people are demanding some information (which, probably, will arrive soon); also, many people immediately thought of things like Orkz, CSMs, Necrons...
That's my impression with the "basegate" so far: I think main issue is misinformation, rather than ranting "coz changes".
Kirasu wrote: There is absolutely no evidence that gw intends any other armies or models to use 32 mm bases.. I'm really surprised at the level of reaction to a single ba kit using new bases which may simply be for aesthetic reasons!
But you don't know that, do you? You're making an assumption just as much as the naysayers are.
I think we'll know for sure one way or another when the next wave of Space Marine / Chaos Space Marine kits is released. If a second kit adopts theses new 32mm bases, then it will become a trend.
Well, I actually like the aesthetics....and want to re-base my models solely for that reason (and to reduce tipping for models like Stormboys). I'm just concerned that by changing the bases on many models that look like it would make sense to change the bases on, it may raise objections from some opponents, or tournament organizers. So, some sort of official word would be great...the non-communication is what gets me...
With Deathstorm, we now have a precedent for at least space marine jump-infantry using them...and the photos of the new tac squad look like they are based on them as well....again precedent for all Power Armor models having 32mm bases...possibly inferring that models of an equivalent size/bulk (Tau Stealth Suits) or purpose (jump- jetpack-infantry because of the similarity in diameter to flight stands) would at least have the option of using the new base size.
Vermis wrote: Oh man! I gave up paying attention to that old chestnut years ago. Granted, it was more in the field of art instruction than wargame commentary, but still. Negativity bias vs. complacent mediocrity, y'know?
If it happens constantly, might just be because it's constantly needed.
Well, it's not like I have the right to criticize anyway when I am choosing the path of laziness. Among the sea of complaints there may be a desert isle of validity, but it's probably just that people enjoy complaining.
It may even be constantly needed, but remember what Einstein said about doing the same thing over and over again.
Kirasu wrote: There is absolutely no evidence that gw intends any other armies or models to use 32 mm bases.. I'm really surprised at the level of reaction to a single ba kit using new bases which may simply be for aesthetic reasons!
But you don't know that, do you? You're making an assumption just as much as the naysayers are.
I think we'll know for sure one way or another when the next wave of Space Marine / Chaos Space Marine kits is released. If a second kit adopts theses new 32mm bases, then it will become a trend.
I don't need evidence to keep my models the same. A bit strange of an argument.. The current 25mm base for most models is the default which doesn't require confirmation.
Kirasu wrote: There is absolutely no evidence that gw intends any other armies or models to use 32 mm bases.. I'm really surprised at the level of reaction to a single ba kit using new bases which may simply be for aesthetic reasons!
But you don't know that, do you? You're making an assumption just as much as the naysayers are.
I think we'll know for sure one way or another when the next wave of Space Marine / Chaos Space Marine kits is released. If a second kit adopts theses new 32mm bases, then it will become a trend.
I don't need evidence to keep my models the same. A bit strange of an argument.. The current 25mm base for most models is the default which doesn't require confirmation.
You know exactly what I meant so don't be disingenuous. You don't know that GW doesn't intend to extend this policy to other units and armies. We don't know either way yet, so its speculation either way. GW wouldn't go to the expense of producing an entire new size of base for the sake of one unit.
When the next wave of Space Marine sized models (equivalents to the Shield of Baal minis) come out, then we'll know if this is something GW intends to extend to other units and armies, or just stick with the old 25mm bases.
As soon as I heard about the base change, I thought about making some in plastic. I had already started designing the mold. I guess I need to get that project moving.
If I didn't have beveled edges on outside, is that going to be an issue (meaning having a straight up an down edge where it was beveled before)?
Tac Squad:
"This multi-part plastic kit contains 165 components with which to make a 10-man Blood Angels Tactical Squad. Also includes 10 x 32mm round bases."
DC:
"This 94-piece kit contains five multi-part plastic Blood Angels Death Company miniatures. It includes 5 backpacks, 5 jump packs, 20 shoulder pads and 8 heads. Also included are a range of bolters, bolt pistols and chainswords, a host of other weapon options and 5 x 32mm round bases."
SG:
"This 95-piece kit makes 5 multi-part plastic Blood Angels Sanguinary Guard. It includes 15 different heads (five with helmets, five bare heads and five Death Masks), 15 elaborate shoulder pads, 5 Glaives Encarmine, 6 Angelus boltguns, an inferno pistol, a plasma pistol, five variations of legs and five different torsos. Also included are a banner with sculpted detailing and a range of pouches and Blood Angels accessories that allow you to further customise your unit. Models supplied with 5 x 32mm round bases."
Sang Priest:
"This 11-piece plastic kit makes a Blood Angels Sanguinary Priest armed with a double-edged chainsword. He holds aloft a blood chalice and is equipped with a narthecium, the instrument of all Space Marine Apothecaries. It also includes a scenic 32mm round base."
Kirasu wrote: There is absolutely no evidence that gw intends any other armies or models to use 32 mm bases.. I'm really surprised at the level of reaction to a single ba kit using new bases which may simply be for aesthetic reasons!
Spoiler:
pretre wrote: Tac Squad:
"This multi-part plastic kit contains 165 components with which to make a 10-man Blood Angels Tactical Squad. Also includes 10 x 32mm round bases."
DC:
"This 94-piece kit contains five multi-part plastic Blood Angels Death Company miniatures. It includes 5 backpacks, 5 jump packs, 20 shoulder pads and 8 heads. Also included are a range of bolters, bolt pistols and chainswords, a host of other weapon options and 5 x 32mm round bases."
SG:
"This 95-piece kit makes 5 multi-part plastic Blood Angels Sanguinary Guard. It includes 15 different heads (five with helmets, five bare heads and five Death Masks), 15 elaborate shoulder pads, 5 Glaives Encarmine, 6 Angelus boltguns, an inferno pistol, a plasma pistol, five variations of legs and five different torsos. Also included are a banner with sculpted detailing and a range of pouches and Blood Angels accessories that allow you to further customise your unit. Models supplied with 5 x 32mm round bases."
Sang Priest:
"This 11-piece plastic kit makes a Blood Angels Sanguinary Priest armed with a double-edged chainsword. He holds aloft a blood chalice and is equipped with a narthecium, the instrument of all Space Marine Apothecaries. It also includes a scenic 32mm round base."
I'm a big fan of Underground Lasers. Backed his first Kickstarter and then ordered some kits when his webstore went online afterward.
I've been adamant about refusing to rebase my marines, because of the time and money invested in doing so, but at $.16 a ring I'll probably buy a 100 just in case it ever becomes an issue, or if I happen to grow to like the aesthetic of the larger base.
You know, I wonder if I can fit my Space Hulk Terminators on 32mm bases instead of 40's?
I know they would hang over because of the strip of plastic that they stand on, but the problem is that if I put them on 40mm bases for general gaming (still want to make a Blood Angels Terminator force) they don't work well for playing Space Hulk with, as 40mm's overhang the squares, making it impossible to accurately fit terminators in adjoining grid spaces. And the other unpainted terminators I want to add to supplement the Blood Angels from Space Hulk are actually the old 2nd edition plastics that originally went on 25mm bases, so they obviously will fit on the 32's.
So they might actually have a use for me. Though I have absolutely no intention of re-basing a single one of my models from 25mm to 32.
Did anyone notice that in the BA/Nid box there's also a 75 mm oval base for the Broodlord and a 105 mm oval base for the Carnifex?
.. 1 Dreadnaught Base, 6 x 40mm Round Bases, 5 x 32mm Round Bases, 9 x 25mm Round Bases, 3 x 50mm Round Bases, 1 x 105mm Oval Base and 1 x 75mm Oval Base.
Seems to me that the regular (weedy) troops are on 25 mm, and anything that's considered elite/semi-elite like Marines are on 32 mm. It does seem a bit overly complicated, now that you get a whole range of 25/32/40/50/60/75/105 mm bases, but then again, it's good for some units. They're still missing 18 mm bases for the Grotz, though
Kirasu wrote: There is absolutely no evidence that gw intends any other armies or models to use 32 mm bases.. I'm really surprised at the level of reaction to a single ba kit using new bases which may simply be for aesthetic reasons!
Spoiler:
pretre wrote: Tac Squad:
"This multi-part plastic kit contains 165 components with which to make a 10-man Blood Angels Tactical Squad. Also includes 10 x 32mm round bases."
DC:
"This 94-piece kit contains five multi-part plastic Blood Angels Death Company miniatures. It includes 5 backpacks, 5 jump packs, 20 shoulder pads and 8 heads. Also included are a range of bolters, bolt pistols and chainswords, a host of other weapon options and 5 x 32mm round bases."
SG:
"This 95-piece kit makes 5 multi-part plastic Blood Angels Sanguinary Guard. It includes 15 different heads (five with helmets, five bare heads and five Death Masks), 15 elaborate shoulder pads, 5 Glaives Encarmine, 6 Angelus boltguns, an inferno pistol, a plasma pistol, five variations of legs and five different torsos. Also included are a banner with sculpted detailing and a range of pouches and Blood Angels accessories that allow you to further customise your unit. Models supplied with 5 x 32mm round bases."
Sang Priest:
"This 11-piece plastic kit makes a Blood Angels Sanguinary Priest armed with a double-edged chainsword. He holds aloft a blood chalice and is equipped with a narthecium, the instrument of all Space Marine Apothecaries. It also includes a scenic 32mm round base."
You were saying?
What? Those are all BA models, and all Marines at that. So GW may fully intend for all Marine armies to start using 32mm bases but that doesn't mean everyone is getting them.
He's right, there's still no evidence that any other armies are going to get that treatment. When GW starts giving models from other armies 32mm bases and replacing the 25mm they originally came with then you'll have a point.
So I was trying to figure out for myself what I could possibly use 32mm bases on and I have finally figured it out.
I have most all of my armies based on 25mm rounds (40k) and the bigger models (Terminators etc.) on 40mm. And really could not see where an intermediary size would be handy until I considered my orks.
Now as you may have it my Kans are on 40's because thats what they came with (they look better on 60's IMHO) also my MANz are on 40's, which is cool because they are sort of like an orky version of Terminators. All the boyz are on 25's but I always like the idea of having the Nobz on something to separate them from he boyz so I will be putting my Nobz on the new 32mm bases I think it will set them apart from the boyz, show that they are special, but not as special as MANz or a Warboss (generic ones on 40mm). It would represent the stage of growth from a boy to a nob to a boss.
Also since I have far fewer Nobz than I do boys, marines, Necrons, Nids, Dark and regular Eldar I think it will be an easier undertaking and be thematically correct.
xraytango wrote: So I was trying to figure out for myself what I could possibly use 32mm bases on and I have finally figured it out.
I have most all of my armies based on 25mm rounds (40k) and the bigger models (Terminators etc.) on 40mm. And really could not see where an intermediary size would be handy until I considered my orks.
Now as you may have it my Kans are on 40's because thats what they came with (they look better on 60's IMHO) also my MANz are on 40's, which is cool because they are sort of like an orky version of Terminators. All the boyz are on 25's but I always like the idea of having the Nobz on something to separate them from he boyz so I will be putting my Nobz on the new 32mm bases I think it will set them apart from the boyz, show that they are special, but not as special as MANz or a Warboss (generic ones on 40mm). It would represent the stage of growth from a boy to a nob to a boss.
Also since I have far fewer Nobz than I do boys, marines, Necrons, Nids, Dark and regular Eldar I think it will be an easier undertaking and be thematically correct.
Nobz, Stormboyz, and Lootas will all benefit from the new bases. Boyz can stay on 25mm.
I do not like this change. I'm not rebasing my old models and I don't want new models that look stupid next to my old models. Hey, GW gave me yet another reason to not buy their models! They're really doing well at this.
I agree with the annoyance of models overhanging bases, but having to rebase old models or having a mismatched army is an even worse prospect to me.
The best thing would have been if GW just stopped with the scale creep and just made models that fitted on their bases to begin with. It's even worse in WHFB where models are too big to rank up on their bases and even if they do, when you have to move them in to combat with an enemy unit they all collide.
Kirasu wrote: There is absolutely no evidence that gw intends any other armies or models to use 32 mm bases.. I'm really surprised at the level of reaction to a single ba kit using new bases which may simply be for aesthetic reasons!
Spoiler:
pretre wrote: Tac Squad:
"This multi-part plastic kit contains 165 components with which to make a 10-man Blood Angels Tactical Squad. Also includes 10 x 32mm round bases."
DC:
"This 94-piece kit contains five multi-part plastic Blood Angels Death Company miniatures. It includes 5 backpacks, 5 jump packs, 20 shoulder pads and 8 heads. Also included are a range of bolters, bolt pistols and chainswords, a host of other weapon options and 5 x 32mm round bases."
SG:
"This 95-piece kit makes 5 multi-part plastic Blood Angels Sanguinary Guard. It includes 15 different heads (five with helmets, five bare heads and five Death Masks), 15 elaborate shoulder pads, 5 Glaives Encarmine, 6 Angelus boltguns, an inferno pistol, a plasma pistol, five variations of legs and five different torsos. Also included are a banner with sculpted detailing and a range of pouches and Blood Angels accessories that allow you to further customise your unit. Models supplied with 5 x 32mm round bases."
Sang Priest:
"This 11-piece plastic kit makes a Blood Angels Sanguinary Priest armed with a double-edged chainsword. He holds aloft a blood chalice and is equipped with a narthecium, the instrument of all Space Marine Apothecaries. It also includes a scenic 32mm round base."
You were saying?
What? Those are all BA models, and all Marines at that. So GW may fully intend for all Marine armies to start using 32mm bases but that doesn't mean everyone is getting them.
He's right, there's still no evidence that any other armies are going to get that treatment. When GW starts giving models from other armies 32mm bases and replacing the 25mm they originally came with then you'll have a point.
You're retconning. "Other armies or models" he said.
Here we have other models being released with the new bases.
I think We can expect Chaos Space Marines and possibly Sisters of Battle to follow suit, other similarly sized power armour models.
I think from the space marine range the techmarines will be the models to benefit most from this change. The 25mm bases looked too small, and the 40mm bases really were a little too large.
Desubot wrote: Meh wont be switching bases any time soon. BUT in good news the bigger base size will make for some nice character basing.
I really wish they started out with these way back when for jump packs (frickin insane trying to keep em up right or in tight formation)
Yeah, the same is true of orks as well with their gorilla arms out at the side like they're airing out their armpits in the breeze mandatory choppa boy poses.
If jump packs always fall over I found a penny, washer, cent coin or such small metal weight is a magic fix. Not 100% but keeps them up right even with more extreme posing and angles. Just supglued under them, invisible on tabletop.
xraytango wrote:So I was trying to figure out for myself what I could possibly use 32mm bases on and I have finally figured it out.
I have most all of my armies based on 25mm rounds (40k) and the bigger models (Terminators etc.) on 40mm. And really could not see where an intermediary size would be handy until I considered my orks.
Now as you may have it my Kans are on 40's because thats what they came with (they look better on 60's IMHO) also my MANz are on 40's, which is cool because they are sort of like an orky version of Terminators. All the boyz are on 25's but I always like the idea of having the Nobz on something to separate them from he boyz so I will be putting my Nobz on the new 32mm bases I think it will set them apart from the boyz, show that they are special, but not as special as MANz or a Warboss (generic ones on 40mm). It would represent the stage of growth from a boy to a nob to a boss.
Also since I have far fewer Nobz than I do boys, marines, Necrons, Nids, Dark and regular Eldar I think it will be an easier undertaking and be thematically correct.
Breotan wrote:Why don't you guys just grab some 35mm bases and use those. It's not like the extra 3mm will make any real difference in your game.
X-Ray Tango, Are all those units you mentioned now going to be sold with 32mm? If not…
Bretotan and Xray,
...You can certainly do that, but it wouldn't be "GW legal". The rule from GW (and followed by many indie tourneys) is that the model goes on the base it currently is sold with or the one it was originally sold with.
Crimson wrote: 32mm bases are out of stock on the GW's site. Were they actually available at some point?
Yes. They became available for pre-order at the same time as Deathstorm boxed set. I ordered few packs and intend to use them for Genestealers (Space Hulk and Deathstorm), Orks, Necrons, Daemon Heralds and other random models.
32mm bases are a nice addition to the range (IMO), but I fail to see the need for two new oval base sizes. Unless the Carnifex oval base is suitable size for Ork Mek Gunz.
Kirasu wrote: There is absolutely no evidence that gw intends any other armies or models to use 32 mm bases.. I'm really surprised at the level of reaction to a single ba kit using new bases which may simply be for aesthetic reasons!
You were saying?
Yeah? and I stand by what I said. When that was written there was no evidence, now there is that GW intends Blood Angels to use 32mm bases. I'll even assume they mean for Space Marines to use them as well (functionally chaos space marines are the same so we can even go with them as well). That's still a far cry from people talking about rebasing units like termagants, imperial guard or anything that isn't a space marine.
Yeah, no one will be required to rebase anything so you can just calm down right about now.
Alternatively, keep raving when everything is fine, if you can´t get over yourself with your army having "traditional" sized bases. That really is ones own problem.
RunicFIN wrote: Yeah, no one will be required to rebase anything so you can just calm down right about now.
Alternatively, keep raving when everything is fine, if you can´t get over yourself with your army having "traditional" sized bases. That really is ones own problem.
I'm not so much bothered by having to rebase models... I'm not going to... I also don't really care that my army is on older bases.
The annoying thing will be if I ever buy new models, they'll be inconsistent with the old models for no good reason. It's a small annoyance... but with GW it's the small annoyances that pile up in to a giant mound of poo.
i like the new base size for Marines...
i think models look better on 40mm bases anyway, since the base can be a "mini diorama", so this is a slightly less extreme difference...
i love minis on the 40mm Dragon Forge "hero" bases...
i look forward to seeing if he does some cool 32mm stuff...
i like the bigger Tyranid bases, too...
that plastic Broodlord looks more imposing on his new base...
Breotan wrote: I just don't understand why 32mm. Seems a little odd.
To patent a base size. They renamed all the paints, they renamed many units and whole armies, they exclude any profile without a model, etc. It's a reaction to the Chapterhouse case. Everything they sell will eventually become unique and proprietary.
It's why I'll never convert or I'll use 30mm.
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Lockark wrote: And has been said to death, 32mm is the size of the small flight stand base that some jump infantry go on already.
I just up and bought a DE army, might buy some 30mm (cant really find 32mm outside of GW) bases just to keep everything looking clean and tidy (and to keep scourges from falling over) kind of annoying though.
To be fair to GW, the 32mm bases make a huge difference to top heavy stuff like jump infantry. Assembled my Deathstorm box set this weekend, and the Death Company jump pack guys are sturdy as a rock on 32mm.
Breotan wrote: I just don't understand why 32mm. Seems a little odd.
To patent a base size. They renamed all the paints, they renamed many units and whole armies, they exclude any profile without a model, etc. It's a reaction to the Chapterhouse case. Everything they sell will eventually become unique and proprietary.
It's why I'll never convert or I'll use 30mm
No, a company can't patent a 32mm plastic disc any more than it can patent a 25mm disc. Patents require an original invention.
Anyhow, SWM is already in the process of making 32mm bases.
Stupid thought but could the reason the genestealers in the lastest boxset not have 32mm bases due to the fact we haven't seen a 32mm slotta base? The rest of the figures in the box are non slotta figures?
Anpu-adom wrote: How much would a person pay for a colored, rubber ring that expands a 25mm GW base to a 32mm base with the same outer profile of the new GW bases?
Nothing I refuse to feth up my lava based Iron warriors with poopy rubber colored rings
Any edge gained from a smaller base (smaller footprint etc) is lost by a smaller impact in the movement phase (board control). I'd even argue that the larger bases give a leg up in play terms.
edlowe wrote: Stupid thought but could the reason the genestealers in the lastest boxset not have 32mm bases due to the fact we haven't seen a 32mm slotta base? The rest of the figures in the box are non slotta figures?
rollawaythestone wrote: Yes, pants-stealers are on a slotted base - along with Termgants and Hormagaunts.
Not really much of a problem to tweak though in fairness *snip* done!
The way the model is balanced on the base thow, the extra surface area of the slotted to glue the figure to the base is kinda in portent. Otherwise you have a glue joint on a single toe holding the whole model to the base.... But if GW was serious about replacing all 25mm with 32mm you would think they would make a slotted version.
The original rumour by LoW (before we started actually saw anything) was everything going onto 32mm eventually,
but those who didn't like the idea suggested it was maybe only jump pack minis, then when that was disproved, maybe only power armour
LoW seem to be spot on so far with their rumours so I'd tend to trust them, but only expect to see changes made when the existing stock of something (and their printed boxes) run out, with possible outliers being anthing still needing a slot in the base which might end up waiting on results (simply because that will need a new base mould)
Jimsolo wrote: Wait, I thought only power armor figs were switching over...it's going to be all of them?
No one knows except GW.
Your giving GW too much credit, they don't know either.
This.
Or, someone knows, but that person will be fired in a month or two and the "strategy" will change again in a few months when they don't immediately get the reaction they were looking for. Which, by the way, was everyone opening their wallets for the latest greatest hotness.
Or, someone knows, but that person will be fired in a month or two and the "strategy" will change again in a few months when they don't immediately get the reaction they were looking for. Which, by the way, was everyone opening their wallets for the latest greatest hotness.
Or, someone knows, but that person will be fired in a month or two and the "strategy" will change again in a few months when they don't immediately get the reaction they were looking for. Which, by the way, was everyone opening their wallets for the latest greatest hotness.
Does the tinfoil hat restrict bloodflow?
So KHORNE hates tinfoil hats then because he does not care where it flows from just that it flows.
I'm keeping my old SM's on their original bases. I received my new Blood Angels and man, I love those 32mm bases! They make the old bases look rediculous really, and those guys that like making the bases look good you'll have some more room to make them
Kelly502 wrote: I'm keeping my old SM's on their original bases. I received my new Blood Angels and man, I love those 32mm bases! They make the old bases look rediculous really, and those guys that like making the bases look good you'll have some more room to make them
This is actually quite true. From a modelling perspective, the new bases on space marines look fantastic. The size is quite balanced with the tac squad and death company models.
Kelly502 wrote: I'm keeping my old SM's on their original bases. I received my new Blood Angels and man, I love those 32mm bases! They make the old bases look rediculous really, and those guys that like making the bases look good you'll have some more room to make them
This is actually quite true. From a modelling perspective, the new bases on space marines look fantastic. The size is quite balanced with the tac squad and death company models.
Agreed, I think the 30-32 mm bases fit the marine-sized models better. I would like to know though whether all models are going to switch. I'm waiting for a big bunch of DKoK and would rather know in advance how big the bases should be.
I agree that the 32mm bases do look much better on a number of models. Hell, my Necron Warriors could use it the most with those wide "I'm dumping" leg stance. If I didn't have all of my Necrons on scenic bases, I'd probably mind less to switching them.
I do wish that GW would have taken a look an gone "Well 30mm is another standard size for many things, so why don't we use that size so people aren't screwed with their scenics." instead of "No one uses 32mm. If we make those everyone will have to buy from us. mwahaha!"
So I guess it's safe to buy 32mm bases for all un-built Infantry I have, I'm going to work on Orks next so I'm about to order a bunch of 32mm's.
does anyone know if GW is adding 32's to their older kits like Ork Infantry and Storm Boyz?
Automatically Appended Next Post: I sent off an email to GW Customer Service with a few questions about the new bases etc. I will post the original email and the reply when it comes out.
I just wrote to them about the Orks I am assembling. This is the response I received:
Thank you for writing in to us. The 32mm bases are a great basing option to offer more basing possibilities and to make your models look great, but there is no mandate on which base size must be used. Some kits will come with 32mm bases, such as the new Blood Angels, but unfortunately we have no information on what bases will be included with future models (or existing ones should they be updated), so i apologize that I have nothing to offer there.
I hope this has been of some help, I hope you have a great afternoon.
Kelly502 wrote: So I guess it's safe to buy 32mm bases for all un-built Infantry I have, I'm going to work on Orks next so I'm about to order a bunch of 32mm's.
Kelly502 wrote: So I guess it's safe to buy 32mm bases for all un-built Infantry I have, I'm going to work on Orks next so I'm about to order a bunch of 32mm's.
aclive wrote: I just wrote to them about the Orks I am assembling. This is the response I received:
Thank you for writing in to us. The 32mm bases are a great basing option to offer more basing possibilities and to make your models look great, but there is no mandate on which base size must be used. Some kits will come with 32mm bases, such as the new Blood Angels, but unfortunately we have no information on what bases will be included with future models (or existing ones should they be updated), so i apologize that I have nothing to offer there.
I hope this has been of some help, I hope you have a great afternoon.
-Dan Keliikoa
Games Workshop
North America Customer Services
"These provided new bases are great for you, trust us. It will make your models look better, trust us. We know best for you, so we won't give an official statement, so just trust us."
aclive wrote: I just wrote to them about the Orks I am assembling. This is the response I received:
Thank you for writing in to us. The 32mm bases are a great basing option to offer more basing possibilities and to make your models look great, but there is no mandate on which base size must be used. Some kits will come with 32mm bases, such as the new Blood Angels, but unfortunately we have no information on what bases will be included with future models (or existing ones should they be updated), so i apologize that I have nothing to offer there.
I hope this has been of some help, I hope you have a great afternoon.
-Dan Keliikoa
Games Workshop
North America Customer Services
"These provided new bases are great for you, trust us. It will make your models look better, trust us. We know best for you, so we won't give an official statement, so just trust us."
Yeah, no kidding. Sometimes i just want to deep-fry the community managers/customer-support/spokespersons and anyone responsible for the information policy in boiling mercury. A less helpfull statement is barely possible unless you want to interpret it as "we don't give a rat's ass about how you base the miniatures, as long as you buy the bases from us"
AllSeeingSkink wrote: My OCD would not allow me to have 30mm bases in the same army as 32mm bases
As a sufferer myself (you should've seen my distress in looking for a single style of base for Epic etc., and the prospect of trying to chop 'em out of plasticard) it'd probably be cheaper to base everything on 30mms, including the stuff that already comes with 32s.
Kosake wrote: "we don't give a rat's ass about how you base the miniatures, as long as you buy the bases from us"
This is precisely how I interpreted it. And since they don't give a rat's ass, I will be basing all of my 40kPA sized infantry and jump infantry minis on these 32mm bases...now, to find a cheaper way to get them...
I gave my son a vanilla Space Marine Tac squad (still on sprues from my collection) for Christmas this year, and as we were assembling the first one with the beakie helmet ( he asked me why it didn't have more beakie helmets), he said "Where are the bases?" And I realized I didn't include any bases, because I wasn't sure which size base I should tell him to use...I mean, who knows if the vanilla Space Marine tac squad box will get re-packaged with 32mm bases or not? But if they do, then my son will have the wrong base size on all of his newly assembled Marines...In the end, I just gave him a packet of 25mm ones, only because I only have the 5 32mm ones that came with Deathstorm so far...
AllSeeingSkink wrote: My OCD would not allow me to have 30mm bases in the same army as 32mm bases
As a sufferer myself (you should've seen my distress in looking for a single style of base for Epic etc., and the prospect of trying to chop 'em out of plasticard) it'd probably be cheaper to base everything on 30mms, including the stuff that already comes with 32s.
I feel you. BTW, what did you end up deciding on for your epic bases? I am still struggling with this decision...
There is a certain logic in some models such as Marines and Orks being based in 32mm (and perhaps as someone suggested above, even Necrons). However, IMO they're far too big for smaller miniatures like Tau and Imperial Guard.
We'll know more the next time they release a mini for Tau, Eldar (either shade), Imperial Guard, Grots, smaller Tyranid species etc etc.
I think it will probably go something like this...
So, if that email is to be believed, then it's even further proof they actually give zero craps about the actual game. Because base size isn't important or anything. And if that's the case, why do the continue to sell game stuff at the most ludicrous rate?
This is just gross. I agree certain models look better on the bases, but I'd rather ones with wide stances (made so for mold purposes, I bet) were made standing up taller to still fit 25mm and give them a more imposing look. Rather, that is, from widening the bases which changes game mechanics and transport options for players.
The impact on game mechanics is the big issue, but didn't see people complaining about the impact of large vehicles, massive walkers and huge monstrous creatures (or specifically their bases).
Flashman wrote: The impact on game mechanics is the big issue, but didn't see people complaining about the impact of large vehicles, massive walkers and huge monstrous creatures (or specifically their bases).
This isn't an introduction of new models that require unique/specific bases (but I highly doubt GW gives actual thought to base size in gaming perspective). It is more a situation of mucking with what currently works and creating an issue of "just one more thing that can be gamed." There are advantages and disadvantages of larger/smaller bases that can be considered. It's just the rules of the game getting looser and looser.
If anything, the larger base size is a negative (game-wise) for players that choose them over the 25mm ones...the models don't move any faster, they just have a slightly larger footprint. You could say that blast templates and area effects would 'catch' fewer models, but I feel like the cons more than make up for this...deep striking footprint being the most notable (making mishaps/loss of models more likely), placing figures on/in terrain will be harder, benefiting from cover will be harder, fitting squads between terrain elements will be harder, causing them to bunch up more. people who like to place their Orks on their Trukks and Battle Wagonz will find that a bit harder as well.
Some non-game-changing pros/cons to consider...
- Better looking models, more room to personalize/decorate the base, less crowding (feet hanging over the edge syndrome).
- Better balance for tall/top-heavy models (scourges, Storm Boyz, Assault Marines W/JPs)
- pre-cut foam trays may not accommodate new size, storage solutions may need to change or be upgraded
- Cost of re-basing models that don't already come with them
- Complaints from players who think the bases give you an unfair advantage in-game, despite GWs statement saying use either size.
lord_blackfang wrote: It makes no sense, GW is pushing for bigger games all the time, making cheap infantry models take up more space on the table is completely counterproductive.
Coming soon, the new 12' by 8' Realm of Battle board! Now you can easily carry around your gaming table in 6 handy 4' by 4' pieces!
I feel you. BTW, what did you end up deciding on for your epic bases? I am still struggling with this decision...
Heh! While I was dithering, certain companies were hard at work. I can go to Steel Crown or Troublemaker for strip bases (still got plenty with my Epic marines, though). For horde infantry, single figs, guns, vehicles, titans etc., Renedra has been pumping out a healthy range of flat round bases. (Heck, they've added more since I last looked. And on the subject of 30mm bases: they provide more space and effect for 28mm SMs, and I feel they do the same for five to seven 6mm orks too.) I'm also sticking my 10mm Warmaster/Mayhem armies on their rectangular bases. (along with an odd SM commander or termie squad)
Breotan wrote: I just don't understand why 32mm. Seems a little odd.
To patent a base size. They renamed all the paints, they renamed many units and whole armies, they exclude any profile without a model, etc. It's a reaction to the Chapterhouse case. Everything they sell will eventually become unique and proprietary.
It's why I'll never convert or I'll use 30mm
No, a company can't patent a 32mm plastic disc any more than it can patent a 25mm disc. Patents require an original invention.
Anyhow, SWM is already in the process of making 32mm bases.
A legal impossibility hasn't kept them from trying in the past.
I'll bet they've been flooded with that question so maybe, just maybe someone will go seek out the answer.
I'm placing an order this week and I'm going to buy a bundle of them. Man they look so much better! So many talented hobbyists out here that a well done base can really add to the model.
I'll post the email from GW as a photo of the actual email concerning the bases. I like the answer! However I still don't know if the Infantry kits purchased now and in e future will include the 32mm. Here is the answer I got.
Kelly502 wrote: I'll post the email from GW as a photo of the actual email concerning the bases.
It's pointless as the Customer Service people won't have any information before the rest of us do. You may just as well be asking your local red shirt. Whatever the situation is, it has been decided and is being pushed in whatever way GW Nottingham wants. They may make a statement or they might not. We'll just have to keep our eyes open and see what happens with new releases.
Personally, I look at this as license to base my Marines on those round-lipped 30mm bases should I desire. And since I ordered a bunch from that CMoN/MAS kickstarter, I may just do that.
if GW had just said this i think we would all be talking about how 'that was actually quite clever' right now.
I have been sort of doing this, but for saves
Guard: 5+ 25mm, 4+ 30mm
Marines: 3+ 25mm, 2+ (Artificer Armor) 30mm.
Though I do like the toughness idea.
Makes some kind of sense, as a rule of thumb. I tried out a kroot on a 30mm base - fairly tall, and with a wide 'reach' from the rifle. Just didn't look as right on that size base as a bulky marine.
Just like when the newer terminators came out, you were not required to rebase your older models on bases they did not come with. This has been GWs stance from the beginning. I find the letter above a bit disturbing since it appears they have changed from this stance a bit saying this was an option, since before it was strictly the bases they come with.
This a huge nerf for blast weapons hitting them and slight nerf for deep strikers. I say slight as I haven't had any issues dropping terminators with 40mm bases so I don't really see why 32mm will make that big a difference.
Hopefully relevant pics from the paint article I posted up, if anyone's interested...
Black Reach marines on 30mm bases, the ones made by dice.co.uk for a couple years and sold by EM4 Miniatures, Heresy Miniatures, Hasslefree Miniatures etc. The size doesn't look too bad, does it?
And then the kroot I mentioned:
Doesn't quite gel as much, does it? As I said above, it's got the reach, but the relatively narrow stance, footprint, what-have-you it doesn't quite fill the space like a marine.
I, for one, welcome our new 32mm overlords. Luckily, I've only just started basing my Alpha Legion Tac Marines, so I'm only having to re-base like six of them, but I love the look of the 32mm bases. With the poses for the Marines, it's hard to get a good scenic basing effect on the little 25mm bases; not to mention how much they overhang!
That being said, I will be doing all my PA Marines on the new bases, but I will not be putting non-Marine models on them should 25mm go the way of the Squats. Everyone on 32mm would look stupid. What would happen to slottabases?
I've been basing all of my regular Space Marines on 30mm bases, and basing Sergeants and other (non-terminator armor) characters on the 32mm bases to make them stand out a little bit, all while not spending a billion dollars rebasing my Marines.
I keep thinking it doesn't affect me at all, I don't play space marines... Then realised I'm doing 30k. Doh! Luckily I only have 15 sons of Horus based as of yet, and they aren't painted or properly based or anything.
Heres a thought, had my first game at our gaming club for around 20 years (stopped playing for quite some time and just played from home).
Anyway to cut a long story short, GW carry cases packed with 2k pts of Orks. They only just fit with the 25mm base and I am pretty sure a 32mm base wont fit.
Thankfully I have a shed ton of KR multicase foam but just no box to put it in.
My two cents would be that 32mm allows for more base decoration than 25 mm, so even if your kroot-guardsmen-whathaveyou don't fill it up all by themselves, just place something nice there. a half-burried helmet, a log, a small shrub... makes the models look better.
I think it's only very small models - grots - would look a bit lost on those 32 mm.
Right now I'm wondering whether lasercutting 30-32mm circles out of thin MDF would be the cheapest way to get tons of bases.
The latest Necron box set hit the internet and the infantry were all on 32mm bases. I think we can safely say the answer to the thread title is a definite "yes".
Breotan wrote: The latest Necron box set hit the internet and the infantry were all on 32mm bases. I think we can safely say the answer to the thread title is a definite "yes".
Yep. And what bugs me the most is GW has pretty much been mum on the topic. "It's a beer and pretzels game. Figure it out between yourselves."
I think if they just came out and said "Because of the way some of the mini's are modeled, we will begin integrating in 30mm (32mm, feth them) bases to better suit the models. X models in the future will be using the 30mm bases and Y will remain on the 25mm bases." people wouldn't be as annoyed as this crappy attempt at slight of hand.
The genestealers use slotta rather than flat bases,
so to move them to 32s would have required an additional tool (or possibly more than one depending on if GW runs a single machine longer, or several machines for a shorter amout of time)
since the switch over is not going to be quick (according to the original Lords of Wargaming rumour) better to leave them on 25s as there are not too many plastics that still use slottas and they may be unsure of whether they're keeping those sculpts or might re-do them to use flats
All my armies are on 25's, yeah will be a pain, but the new sizes are really not so bad. To "update" I'm just going to paint the new 32's a metalic color, then glue the 25's on top. Even base gunmetal, brass or gold works. Think how a trophy base sits. Being rasied up that gnats ass of a level doesn't hamper.
-more thinking, get about 75 of these, paint them up, put magnets then just glue metal under the other models. Keeps transportation foam same size. Easy fix. Paint the 32's to look like marble or metal or whatever hits your fancy. Can use for multiple armies this way. Problem solved.
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