OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

and I guess this is not knights, but you could use them to paint the knights (if you can't get hold of better)

Well, I suppose that huge brush will be the most expensive emulsion brush ever. At least you can decorate your room after you've given your Knight a quick drybrush with it...

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
So...an autocannon is the extent of the AA the Knights get? Not even an option for flakk missiles in that missile launcher? Seems kind of lame to me.

So instead of twin-linked S7 AP4 autocannons with Skyfire and Interceptor, you want S7 AP4 flakk missiles with Skyfire?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 reds8n wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
So...an autocannon is the extent of the AA the Knights get? Not even an option for flakk missiles in that missile launcher? Seems kind of lame to me.

Indeed.


I can't work out GW here at all.

The CSM units in the Khorne daemonkin book don't -- IIRC -- have the option to but flakk missiles, so you're "stuck" with FMC, 'drakes and Soulgrinders etc as AA.

One wondered if this was perhaps the start of a trend...
.. but the Eldar seem to have AA missile options still ...?

Better yet the Eldar AA missile option is -FREE- on all EMLs.

I'm seriously baffled by the decision to rerelease knights right after the Eldar gakstorm.

Hey guys, let's redo this army. That will cost a minimum of £300 to start up. And is entirely reliant on vehicles.

In a meta where we just introduced Strength D spam.

And not put a single Strength D ranged weapon to boot...

This makes the massive amount of Strength D on Eldar even more confusing. I admit I fell prey to thinking that the new Knights would get S-D weapons, simply because it made sense in my mind. But since they don't look to be getting it, I'm wondering why it was given out like candy to the Eldar? Are Dark Eldar going to get it too or are they too evil to deserve the attention? What about Necrons, they're just as technologically advanced as Eldar.

Strange

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

Super happy that the ion shield rule hasn't changed, this thankfully means that FW won't have to FAQ their Questoris Knight list much.

 zedmeister wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

and I guess this is not knights, but you could use them to paint the knights (if you can't get hold of better)

Well, I suppose that huge brush will be the most expensive emulsion brush ever. At least you can decorate your room after you've given your Knight a quick drybrush with it...

'Exclusively designed for..' - funny, they look exactly like the ones you can buy from every art store. Although I'm curious to see what uses they came up with for each.

these will be carefully selected from the rejects of the quality brush manufacturers that feature in the art stores

Sigh. Dashed my hopes for AA missiles.

Immobilise my rhino, or destroy the demolisher cannon on my vindicator? Fine pal, as the nearest enemy unit is having it thrown at it.

More photos:











Source: /tg

Do we have price confirmation on everything?

I like that fist! But man, I would have paid gladly for a different set of legs!

I can see at least one of those brushes that says Glaze

White Dwarf Weekly is going to be available via subscription soon. Bad news though is that it will be more expensive than buying the indiviual issues in a shop - at least in Germany not sure about other countries. This is advertised in the upcoming WDW magazine (the issue where those pics are from).

Hey Warhams, can we get those pics not hosted at a chan for those of us stuck at work?

Found a use for Wraithlords, Throwing them!

 Hulksmash wrote:
Actually they're pretty equal since the Castigator is twin-linked. That said the Castigator doesn't have other guns so he can shoot one target and charge another so the Crusader is going to make it sad unless it's absurdly costed.

I'd forgotten about the twin linked on the Castigator, there is a chance the new one is also twin linked as we haven't seen the new Knight entries. Even without twin linking it'll cause 0.6 more wounds than the old one against MEQ, and against a 2+ the same again due to the rending. In CC I'd have the Castigator every time, that sword is just too useful against larger units.

Anyone else notice that the passengers emergency disembark -before- the vehicle is hurled? So you can force them out, then hurl their transport at them!

The Codex cover is nice



Source: Waaaghgaming.de


Can you see it, em_en_oh_pee?

 Dr. Delorean wrote:
Anyone else notice that the passengers emergency disembark -before- the vehicle is hurled? So you can force them out, then hurl their transport at them!

Picture the Knight holding the transport upside down, vigorously shaking it and then flinging it at the ex-passengers!

I am a big fan of the new face plate and all of the new weapons, good work GW.

Warhams-77 wrote:
The Codex cover is nice



Waaghgaming.de


Can you see it, em_en_oh_pee?

Yea. Thank you!

Anyone know if any leaks have come down for Freeblades or formations present in the new Codex?

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
The Codex cover is nice



Waaghgaming.de


Can you see it, em_en_oh_pee?

Yea. Thank you!

Anyone know if any leaks have come down for Freeblades or formations present in the new Codex?

Every leak is posted the moment it hits

I uploaded the other five pics to Imgur, I hope it is not work-blocked for you

Okay, if any Knight can be upgraded with the twin Icarus Autocannons then I really hope they sell that sprue separately.

Warhams-77 wrote:
I uploaded the other five pics to Imgur, I hope it is not work-blocked for you

It is. I will just have to look at these when I go on lunch!

So it seems to me that the new thing with knights might be the basic chasis and multiple upgrade options. Kind of a build your own knight thing, which I like. I wouldnt be surprised for instance if the new AA mount is an upgrade that any knight can take


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Also, I dont know if anyone caught this, but it says in the artilcle that the kit is the full paladin and errant kit with an added sprue for the new additions

It really bugs me that there are missing missiles in the Ironstorm pod.

The brushes seem interesting. Need some actually, so might take a look. But they may price themselves out of the market.

But they look fairly decent from the pictures. Then again I liked the old red ones best so far.

Okay, a last pic which hasnt been posted yet (from the non-blocked hoster)

Does it look to anyone else that the Gatling cannon has an under-slung heavy flamer on it?

That certainly looks like a heavy flamer.


So the Crusader is pictured with the battle cannon, gatling gun, and Icarus. The Warden is pictured as gatling gun, missile launcher, fist. The third guy, the rumor called him a Gallant, has Chainsword, fist, and missile launcher.

I hope on the Crusader it isn't just a knight battlecannon; it would miss the point of what was the Crusader.

I hope the Errant gets to take the fist as an upgrade, like it should.

From that screencap, I saw this:

"further equipped with a shoulder-mounted meltagun"

Huh.

From the way that product description reads, the Errant/Paladin can be given any of the new upgrades(the fist, Icarus autocannons, and missile launchers)...which is why I'm really hoping they sell the sprue separately for a bit.

Can anyone check the math of a dakkaknight (missile launcher, rapid-fire battle cannon, avenger gatling cannon) vs a wraithknight with 2 heavy wraithcannons?

You replace the weapons at the arms. He can take one of the three options mounted on top. The rest should be easy


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I did - on Imgur

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/300/645494.page#7792744

Warhams-77 wrote:
You replace the weapons at the arms. He can take one of the three options mounted on top. The rest should be easy


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I did - on Imgur

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/300/645494.page#7792744

Photobucket would be great! I think that is unblocked at my job.

Mightily impressed all round tbh. Great new wepaons - that gatling cannon thing is wow, love the new faceplate. hurl rules could be hilarious and they dont seem utterly OP.
Darn, more money to be spent.....

The 'old' Knight kit is not going to be removed according to White Dwarf 66 - the price will not change. The new kit costs as much as it was rumored it would, 124 EUR (~ the Lord of Skulls kit).

Ah, well that's good news then. Perhaps I'll be able to pick up the other parts are sprue on eBay.

 Dr. Delorean wrote:
Can anyone check the math of a dakkaknight (missile launcher, rapid-fire battle cannon, avenger gatling cannon) vs a wraithknight with 2 heavy wraithcannons?

Hard to do when we don't know that stats on the "dakkaknight" (whatever that is), or what any of it's weapons are. The missile launcher is such an ubiquitous weapon that it could quite literally have any stat you can think of. The rapid-fire battle cannon should be similar, or the same as, the current rapid-fire battle cannon, but it's a new codex, so it might have additional/different rules then what it has now. To my knowledge, there are at least 4 different variants of the Avenger Gatling Cannon (the Titan version, the Lightning Flyer version, the Dark Angels version, and the IG version). I'm sure this one will have different rules as well.

On top of that, what kind of bonuses or abilities are we talking about here? It's ridiculously easy to give an Eldar Wraithknight Invisibility, or rerolls on hits, or a dozen other buffs, and we have no idea how the new Imperial Knights can be buffed.

We can Mathhammer all you want, but if the Wraithknight rolls a 6 to wound, that Imperial Knight just got one-shotted. Unless the Imperial Knight gets a ranged D-weapon, then there is nothing it can do to take out a Wraithknight in one turn. Melee combat? Again, it comes down to buffs and who attacked first.

Final thoughts: Gargantuan Monstrous Creatures > Super Heavy Walkers

The one with giant chainsword and fist shows what a monumental difference posing makes, it's in a legitimate combat stance unlike the green one with gatling cannon and fist that's standing around shrugging its shoulders going 'What? What did I do?'

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:


Photobucket would be great! I think that is unblocked at my job.

Will be out of for a walk before it starts raining. If no one uploads them on a different hoster, I will later today

You know... I love that model and the rules... but I just can't take the chicken legs. Somebody kit-bash a beak on that thing!

 Kanluwen wrote:
Okay, if any Knight can be upgraded with the twin Icarus Autocannons then I really hope they sell that sprue separately.

I'm guessing they won't. You can buy the kit, grab the sprue and either build the other one or resell.

For my money, it's pretty good though. You buy a knight and then use it to outfit an existing knight. Good thing my existing one is magnetized!


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 Tamwulf wrote:
Hard to do when we don't know that stats on the "dakkaknight" (whatever that is), or what any of it's weapons are. The missile launcher is such an ubiquitous weapon that it could quite literally have any stat you can think of. The rapid-fire battle cannon should be similar, or the same as, the current rapid-fire battle cannon, but it's a new codex, so it might have additional/different rules then what it has now. To my knowledge, there are at least 4 different variants of the Avenger Gatling Cannon (the Titan version, the Lightning Flyer version, the Dark Angels version, and the IG version). I'm sure this one will have different rules as well.

The stats for the weapons were posted in at least two pics.

Looks like the Warden can switch out the Heavy Stubber for a meltagun, starts with Chainsword and upgrades to fist.

I don't know German, but I do know contextual clues!

Wargear
• Avenger Gatling Cannon
• Heavy Flamer
• Heavy Stubber
• Reaper Chainsword
• Ion Shield

Options
• May replace its Reaper Chainsword with a Thunderstrike Gauntlet (10 pts)
• May replace its Heavy Stubber with a Meltagun (5 pts)
• May equip one of the following:
o Ironstorm Missle Pod (30 pts)
o Twin Icarus Autocannon (35 pts)
o Stormspear Rocket Pod (40 pts)

 BloodGrin wrote:

Thanks! Now we just need a German translation.

'machinengewehr'? So, Machine spirit? any german speakers up today to confirm/deny?

No need; it's a Super Heavy Walker. Machinengewehr is a Heavy Stubber.

A melta gun? Why not a multimelta? Seems to me a 12 inch range 1 shot weapon is meh at best for a titan. The flamer at least deals with infantry but a melta gun?

There's a quick English language dataslate I whipped up.

Those are some pricey upgrades. Especially in light of the last pointy eared monster's pricing.

 BrokenRecord wrote:
I don't know German, but I do know contextual clues!

Wargear
• Avenger Gatling Cannon
• Heavy Flamer
• Heavy Stubber
• Reaper Chainsword
• Ion Shield

Options
• May replace its Reaper Chainsword with a Thunderstrike Gauntlet (10 pts)
• May replace its Heavy Stubber with a Meltagun (5 pts)
• May equip one of the following:
o Ironstorm Missle Pod (30 pts)
o Twin Icarus Autocannon (35 pts)
o Stormspear Rocket Pod (40 pts)

This is correct

 Eldarain wrote:
Those are some pricey upgrades. Especially in light of the last pointy eared monster's pricing.

Unless the base Knight has dropped to 200-250pt. Fingers crossed.

Have GW being reading my notes? I've been toying with superheavy rules for my Wraithknight special character (to use in a possible narrative campaign), and one of the many concepts behind her is that she could throw things. My range and strength formula is a bit off from "The Bigger They Are..." (a Land Raider should hit far harder than a Wraithlord, and not go nearly as far), but it's very similar. Now we have a Knight with a gatling cannon (I've been wanting to build a Knight-class punisher cannon forever, the rules for which literally just being twice as many shots like the Knight battlecannon).

Not that I'm amazingly original, but it's a bit scary to see all these things in such quick succession.

Anybody else find it comical that these Knights are almost 100 points more than the WK but nowhere near as good?

 ClassicCarraway wrote:
Anybody else find it comical that these Knights are almost 100 points more than the WK but nowhere near as good?

I disagree about "not as good" and I play Eldar and I am guessing that you do not.
The Knights are much more versatile.

The throwing rule is a nice idea but a bit flawed in the execution. If a vehicle explodes, it's removed from the table IIRC and not left as terrain to signify the paucity of remaining wreckage. If it explodes, does the knight scoop it all up in a giant chain-dustpan and then throw it?

 warboss wrote:
The throwing rule is a nice idea but a bit flawed in the execution. If a vehicle explodes, it's removed from the table IIRC and not left as terrain to signify the paucity of remaining wreckage. If it explodes, does the knight scoop it all up in a giant chain-dustpan and then throw it?

I think the idea is that the removal of the wreckage is just an expedient for the game. It is still there/a wreck, just easier to pull it from the table.

 ClassicCarraway wrote:
Anybody else find it comical that these Knights are almost 100 points more than the WK but nowhere near as good?

Definitely better, but I don't think the difference is quite as wide as you make it out to be.

Knights have a better invuln, albeit on one facing. That said, they always have the shield no matter what armament they take.

Knights can be taken as an army by themselves, they don't need other units to be bought alongside.

Knights overall have a more versatile weapons array, with plenty anti-infantry and anti-tank to go around, even a smattering of anti-air as well.

Wraithknights on the other hand have to choose between having a 5+ invuln or heavy wraithcannons, they're either limited to 1 per CAD, or you need to pay a host tax before you take them.

Wraithknights' weaponry isn't all that versatile, and they have no anti-air.

This isn't taking into account the adamantium lance formation either.

No D weapons?

I'm surprised, i thought the eldar 'dex was the start of a strength D arms race.

Thanks to those who did some german translation, particularly 'broken record'.

I wasn't expecting the points to be as high as they are, the existing ones may even stay the same points cost. (i still hope for a points reduction for errant/paladin knights in the codex)

Wraithknights on the other hand have to choose between having a 5+ invuln or heavy wraithcannons, they're either limited to 1 per CAD, or you need to pay a host tax before you take them.

The WK's come with a 5+ FNP now. It's not an invuln, but it's not like they won't have something if they get hit with an Ap3 gun.

The hurling concept is stolen from Warmachine colossals/gargantuans, right?
Heck, the whole "huge model syndrome" is.
Not that Im complaining Awesome models!

More pics in good quality (German White Dwarf)

http://www.gamestrust.de/news,warhammer-40-000-imperiale-ritter-bilder-knight-warden-modell-regeln-aus-wd-66,id42837.html












Poster included in the mag





Next issue:
Army of the month
Hall of heroes (I dont know)
Lords of Mars

Warhams-77 wrote:
More pics in good quality (German White Dwarf)

http://www.gamestrust.de/news,warhammer-40-000-imperiale-ritter-bilder-knight-warden-modell-regeln-aus-wd-66,id42837.html




Next issue:
Army of the month
Hall of heroes (Citadel miniature? I dont know)
Lords of Mars

wish those weren't blocked..

Lords of Mars *squeeeee*
Now I need to decide if I'll hold off on a knight.. The way I would equip him would be 430 pts, but it's a lot of dakka, but giant robots from mars might be nice too...

So brushes depending on the size/fiddlyness of the object you're painting.. huh. Not a bad idea. Called it on the glaze brush though lol.

That two close combat weapon Knight better either come with a big points discount or some fancy special rules to make up for the lack of shooting. +1 attacks ain't gonna cut it.

Alternatively the two gun knight needs a point reduction since it's no longer a D-weapon platform

changemod wrote:
That two close combat weapon Knight better either come with a big points discount or some fancy special rules to make up for the lack of shooting. +1 attacks ain't gonna cut it.

Choice of attack will be nice, but a discount would be better, I agree.

I wonder how much they're going to try and extract from the feckless for a Citadel™ Spooge tool..

From the same source

Love the double guns.

Yeah, the gun knight looks awesome!!!!

2 Battlecannon shots, 6 Heavy Stubber Shots, 12 Gatling Cannon shots, Heavy Flamer, and then 2 TL-anti air/skimmer shots. I like it.

fething ace, we're not just getting two new masks, but a new tilting shield design and icon for on top of the carapace.

Bravo GW, bravo. Another winner I think.

Also, some of the Knights have transfers from the now discontinued transfer sheet. Please be back in stock. Please...

I did not spot the half Ad Mech half proper skull face plate. That is exceptional.

Also little extras like the Ad Mech symbols rather than Imperial Eagles just below the shoulder plate (visible on the double gun Knight).

That Gatling Cannon is pretty nice. All that Ap3 for wrecking the new Eldar jetbikes.

rollawaythestone wrote:
That Gatling Cannon is pretty nice. All that Ap3 for wrecking the new Eldar jetbikes.

Especially if you paint them with a phosphor weapon first.

GW stopped putting direct-only items on the WDW preorder list. The Shining Spears werent there as well so maybe the transfer decal sheet will be re-released and web-only again.

I could also see an updated Heraldry book, as the old one was direct-only and was recently marked Sold-Out so maybe they replace it with a new book which is not on the WDW list.

 Fayric wrote:
The hurling concept is stolen from Warmachine colossals/gargantuans, right?
Heck, the whole "huge model syndrome" is.
Not that Im complaining Awesome models!

Nah, the Imperial and Eldar Knights go all the way back to Epic. Now... the impetus to make them might have been inspired by the popularity of colossals in WM... but the concept goes way back in 40k history.

Yes, it is from 1989

 Fayric wrote:
The hurling concept is stolen from Warmachine colossals/gargantuans, right?
Heck, the whole "huge model syndrome" is.
Not that Im complaining Awesome models!

Not really, if I remember right, Orks have had weaponry that did much the same thing since 2nd edition and Epic(appropriately called Lifta-Droppa). Also, "huge model syndrome" should probably be blamed on Forge World as far as 40K is concerned, they were doing titans and super heavies for 40K (based on Epic scale vehicles) long before Warmahordes released their colossals. Heck, I think the plastic Stompa and Baneblade were also released prior to the colossals as well. If you really wanted to reach waaay back, ArmourCast did the first titans for 2nd edition 40K, even released a nifty Ork Gargant.

 Fayric wrote:
The hurling concept is stolen from Warmachine colossals/gargantuans, right?
Heck, the whole "huge model syndrome" is.
Not that Im complaining Awesome models!

The rule existed in the 40K universe long before PP existed. The Ork Great Gargant Lifta-Droppa arm could do the same, even with superheavies.

t

 warboss wrote:
The throwing rule is a nice idea but a bit flawed in the execution.

That's what happens when you pilfer the rules from the other game all the cool kids are playing...

 Grimtuff wrote:

 warboss wrote:
The throwing rule is a nice idea but a bit flawed in the execution.

That's what happens when you pilfer the rules from the other game all the cool kids are playing...

Wait, all the cool kids are playing Epic 40K???? Dangit, and scrapped all my old epic stuff years ago....

Quite frankly, it baffles me that these knights weren't all released at the same time as the Errant and Paladin, so that, oh, I don't know, people could have a complete codex that doesn't miss out half the units.

 ClassicCarraway wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 warboss wrote:
The throwing rule is a nice idea but a bit flawed in the execution.

That's what happens when you pilfer the rules from the other game all the cool kids are playing...

Wait, all the cool kids are playing Epic 40K???? Dangit, and scrapped all my old epic stuff years ago....

Deny it all you want, even though the Lifta Droppa/Klawstompa had a similar rule (which was executed completely differently) in 40k APOC. This is blatantly a throw ported in from WarmaHordes, specifically the "Grab and Smash" chain attack.

 Grimtuff wrote:
Deny it all you want, even though the Lifta Droppa/Klawstompa had a similar rule (which was executed completely differently) in 40k APOC. This is blatantly a throw ported in from WarmaHordes, specifically the "Grab and Smash" chain attack.

"What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun. "

Copied or not, I'm glad that they gave it some form of distinction from the Reaper, even if it is extremely gimmicky. Strength D being the absolute top, it's hard to work out different kinds of weapon that can operate at that high level but remain distinct.

Argh just realized that I am missing the half moon shaped tiny piece to lock the head of my Knight in place...........KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, didn't you know. No one ever thought of picking stuff up and throwing it before, it took someone with a real "pair" to come up with.

Back on topic, this looks like a sound addition to the range. True a different chassis would have been preferable but the additional weapons load outs really do the trick.

I agree that the wraithknight severely outclasses these guys in point-efficiency. The melee version will dominate any of the knight variants. The shooty version isn't going to die to the shooty knight before he lands a 6 on a D and one shots him. (If not just getting 2-3 shots past the ion shield and winning that way.)
If they manage to shoot at each other for 4 rounds without a 6 on the D OR getting a couple good d3's OR getting an explode result for an extra d3, then the crusader might win.

(And he's almost 100 points less than any of them!)

I seem to recall 4edition fantasy had the rule to throw a victim back into its unit for the orc and goblin Giant, so can we get over the Warmachines created everything and GW is ripping them off just like they ripped off the Hobbit.

 Theophony wrote:
I seem to recall 4edition fantasy had the rule to throw a victim back into its unit for the orc and goblin Giant, so can we get over the Warmachines created everything and GW is ripping them off just like they ripped off the Hobbit.

And previous Knights could kick vehicles.

 God In Action wrote:
Quite frankly, it baffles me that these knights weren't all released at the same time as the Errant and Paladin, so that, oh, I don't know, people could have a complete codex that doesn't miss out half the units.

But then the poor players would miss out on the most fun and important part of the hobby, repurchasing what you just bought last year. Duh!

And in Necromunda you can throw people off ledges, into things, or whatever. It's a basic human function, and the fact that it's now a rule for giant robots with giant power fists is pretty freaking cool.

Imagine ploughing into a squadron of vehicles and killing them all with that fist.

 BrookM wrote:
Imagine ploughing into a squadron of vehicles and killing them all with that fist.

And imagine the puns!

 God In Action wrote:
Quite frankly, it baffles me that these knights weren't all released at the same time as the Errant and Paladin, so that, oh, I don't know, people could have a complete codex that doesn't miss out half the units.

To be honest the first Knight release I would think was a bit of a risk.
High point models and a pretty high buy in.
It could have gone either way.
Store owners would not have wanted to go in that deep I would think.

yeah,

++Email sent to GW : UK.CUSTSERV@GWPLC.COM
++ Subject : Can we expect a New Knight Codex Every Year??

Sirs,
I feel compelled to write to you about the new Imperial Knight codex appearing so soon!

I already thought the old codex was poor value with only two unit entries.
This is made worse when it only lasted a single year before you outdated it

Do you have any kind of voucher or a trade in discount plan you will offered to customers of the 'old' book?

Yours sincerley,
Gary Keenan

++End transmission++

Panic...

 Grimtuff wrote:

 ClassicCarraway wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 warboss wrote:
The throwing rule is a nice idea but a bit flawed in the execution.

That's what happens when you pilfer the rules from the other game all the cool kids are playing...

Wait, all the cool kids are playing Epic 40K???? Dangit, and scrapped all my old epic stuff years ago....

Deny it all you want, even though the Lifta Droppa/Klawstompa had a similar rule (which was executed completely differently) in 40k APOC. This is blatantly a throw ported in from WarmaHordes, specifically the "Grab and Smash" chain attack.

False. Everyone knows Titan Legions was GW's attempt to hone in on the interest in mecha that Battletech helped fuel, I think it is clear that this throw rule is blatantly ported from Battletech's physical attack phase. Those rules go back to 1984 when FASA invented the concept of robots.

It took PP almost 20 years to catch up with the release of Prime, where they copied punches, charges and pushes from Battletech. So, yeah. PP owes FASA and GW an apology. Or something.

 Panic wrote:
yeah,

++Email sent to GW : UK.CUSTSERV@GWPLC.COM
++ Subject : Can we expect a New Knight Codex Every Year??

Sirs,
I feel compelled to write to you about the new Imperial Knight codex appearing so soon!

I already thought the old codex was poor value with only two unit entries.
This is made worse when it only lasted a single year before you outdated it

Do you have any kind of voucher or a trade in discount plan you will offered to customers of the 'old' book?

Yours sincerley,
Gary Keenan

++End transmission++

Panic...

10 bucks says the reply will be forwarded to an "appropriate" department and never seen again

I knew I should've watermarked the photos….!

These were first posted by Mywargame.com after I got my White Dwarf a little earlier than normal (that's my work desk you see in the pictures- my NiN key fob is a right give away)..!

Looking forward to getting my hands on a few more Knights now….

yeah,
well the email address is there to voice complaints... I recommend we use it.

It's like the Mantic Street Preachers say;
And if you tolerate this then your codex will be next
And if you tolerate this then your codex will be next
Will be next,
will be next,
will be nexxxxxxxxxxxxxxt.


The codex rollercoaster has gotten wild! and I love it but it needs limits!
Will we accept without complaint a new Skitari codex complete with HQ units in 6 months time?

PAnic...

 Art Steventon wrote:
I knew I should've watermarked the photos….!

These were first posted by Mywargame.com after I got my White Dwarf a little earlier than normal (that's my work desk you see in the pictures- my NiN key fob is a right give away)..!

Looking forward to getting my hands on a few more Knights now….

Any mention of what the cards are for?

 BloodGrin wrote:

 Art Steventon wrote:
I knew I should've watermarked the photos….!

These were first posted by Mywargame.com after I got my White Dwarf a little earlier than normal (that's my work desk you see in the pictures- my NiN key fob is a right give away)..!

Looking forward to getting my hands on a few more Knights now….

Any mention of what the cards are for?

36 Tactical Objectives for Maelstrom of War games, also 6 Heirloom cards...

Heirloom tomatoes?

Likely there are now "Heirlooms" for individual Knight suits.

Although it would be interesting for the Knight suits themselves to be Heirlooms, come to think of it....

 Art Steventon wrote:
I knew I should've watermarked the photos….!

These were first posted by Mywargame.com after I got my White Dwarf a little earlier than normal (that's my work desk you see in the pictures- my NiN key fob is a right give away)..!

Looking forward to getting my hands on a few more Knights now….

Thanks for the photos

Whats the point cost of the double gun knight?

Not given - only data sheet for a Warden is in the WD..

Was Gallant the third Knight's name?

 Kanluwen wrote:
Likely there are now "Heirlooms" for individual Knight suits.

Although it would be interesting for the Knight suits themselves to be Heirlooms, come to think of it....

It could be titles bestowed onto certain suits (the slayer of beasts) that in turn bestow the model with a USR or some other fancy bonus.

 Art Steventon wrote:
Not given - only data sheet for a Warden is in the WD..

Thanks fo posting!

Would you be able to post the prices of the new releases (US/CAN ideally)??

Imperial Knight Warden - $157, Codex - $41, Data Card - $12.50...


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Three variants in the box - Warden, Crusader and Gallant...

Presumably the Gallant is the close combat Knight loon

It doesn't say anything about the Heirlooms in there, does it?

 Kanluwen wrote:
It doesn't say anything about the Heirlooms in there, does it?

Edit: Oi, post changer!

Hmmm, reckon this kit includes everything which is pretty nice. Magnetising is a must I reckon. What's the betting that the old Knight box will be phased out in time?

They're named upgrades - I would say from the names (Paragon Gauntlet, Mark of the Omnissiah) they're artefacts….

Makes sense actually. The only weapon not usable from what we've seen of the new models is the melta gun. The Warden comes stock with the chainblade and we've seen the battlecannon on the Crusader. So you can obviously make the normal knights too

I'll be happy if they aren't pulling the standard knight boxes too as it'll be nice for people if they don't need to pay the extra $17 for a paladin or errant.

 zedmeister wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
It doesn't say anything about the Heirlooms in there, does it?

Edit: Oi, post changer!

Hmmm, reckon this kit includes everything which is pretty nice. Magnetising is a must I reckon. What's the betting that the old Knight box will be phased out in time?

I would give it until the stocks of the Paladin/Errant kit run out--then they'll just drop the SKU.

The two boxes are 'still currently available' but the Warden box has all the same sprues as the standard Knight - so I would say it's a definite..

Wonder if the transfer sheets will be the same or if they'll drop or include a new one?

 Art Steventon wrote:
They're named upgrades - I would say from the names (Paragon Gauntlet, Mark of the Omnissiah) they're artefacts….

Interesting, this should make customising the suits a bit more fun and give us some extra stuff to waste points on if playing a pure Knight army.

 zedmeister wrote:
Wonder if the transfer sheets will be the same or if they'll drop or include a new one?

They might not.

From the descriptions of the "new" Knight kit, it apparently has some fancypants detailing built into the carapace of the Knight itself.

Nope - same carapace.

I wish they would do more decals or re-release the old LE ones. Impossible to do House Griffith otherwise.

 Art Steventon wrote:
Nope - same carapace.

That's not what is suggested by this:

I should have specified "optional detailing", but my point remains the same.

Those carapace weapons nicely fit into that big hole that the carapace features right now.

As Brook says - they slot in to the current carapace. It even mentions that if you already own a Knight, you can use the spare parts on that...

I'm not really discussing the weaponry here. There's a bit at the bottom of the first paragraph:

Maybe you could build a Knight Paladin or Errant with one of the new face plates, the tilting shield, or even the new carapace iconography

Yes, I already pointed that out a bit back, there's one or two new icons included as well, the ones fitted above the head of the Kniggit.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'm not really discussing the weaponry here. There's a bit at the bottom of the first paragraph:

Maybe you could build a Knight Paladin or Errant with one of the new face plates, the tilting shield, or even the new carapace iconography

That's GW speak for stick on badges, Kan.

Plastic icons that can be attached - is all. Not a new carapace (though that would have been nice).

Neat stuff though

Still sad they're outclased by the sorely underpriced and overpowered Wraithknights

Prices auf Deutsch!



So two separate boxes, the new one being more expensive because it's just the old one + new sprue.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'm not really discussing the weaponry here. There's a bit at the bottom of the first paragraph:

Maybe you could build a Knight Paladin or Errant with one of the new face plates, the tilting shield, or even the new carapace iconography

That's GW speak for stick on badges, Kan.

Yeah, I didn't expound my initial thoughts well enough I think.

I'm cool with stick on badges.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Makes sense actually. The only weapon not usable from what we've seen of the new models is the melta gun. The Warden comes stock with the chainblade and we've seen the battlecannon on the Crusader. So you can obviously make the normal knights too

We've only seen the rule page for the Warden; I'm interested if the Crusader's battlecannon is just a standard Knight rapid-fire battle cannon or if it will be a even a little different. I realize Epic isn't all that much to go by seeing as the Warden isn't reminiscent of its Epic incarnation, but the Crusader use to have a Quake Cannon and its such a big change on a fundamental level. Maybe a cannon is a cannon model-wise and it just has quake shells or some such; even FW pulled that variant cannon rules with their 30k paladin rules.

I find it ironic. The conversion I thought for a warden that would be taboo turned out to be their direction with it.

Hmm I wonder if the Crusader uses the battle cannon bits, but is actually a different weapon when used on the Crusader

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Hmm I wonder if the Crusader uses the battle cannon bits, but is actually a different weapon when used on the Crusader

Exactly what I was wondering. It just seems to big a departure to go from being a "Quake" reduced to just one more battle cannon.

 Hulksmash wrote:

I'll be happy if they aren't pulling the standard knight boxes too as it'll be nice for people if they don't need to pay the extra $17 for a paladin or errant.

They're keeping the knight old boxes at the old prices (I suspect they still have inventory, in any case), but in most cases, I don't think it makes sense to buy it. The bits from the new box will be worth more than the extra $17

At worst, it will make a nice gift to someone you like.

Do we have any idea what the base cost for the new knights are? Because they will need to drop quite abit with how thows upgrades are priced, and when compared to the Wraithknight.

 Lockark wrote:
Do we have any idea what the base cost for the new knights are? Because they will need to drop quite abit with how thows upgrades are priced, and when compared to the Wraithknight.

same cost as the old knights I believe. The wraithknight was probably just an insane aberration in point cost not anything setting a new pattern.

 Lockark wrote:
Do we have any idea what the base cost for the new knights are? Because they will need to drop quite abit with how thows upgrades are priced, and when compared to the Wraithknight.

There is a screenshot somewhere -- it hasn't changed. WK is a better deal. For the price of an allied IK, you can almost get a WK and 6 basic bikes. Just need an HQ. Imperium is better off allying Eldar, lol

 Art Steventon wrote:
The two boxes are 'still currently available' but the Warden box has all the same sprues as the standard Knight - so I would say it's a definite..

They still sell Rhinos, even though the Razorback box has all the bits you need to build a Rhino too. No reason they wouldn't do the same here.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Prices auf Deutsch!



So two separate boxes, the new one being more expensive because it's just the old one + new sprue.

Wait, it says "Imperial Knight Warden, Crusader and Gallant..." What is the Knight Gallant?!?

 aka_mythos wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Makes sense actually. The only weapon not usable from what we've seen of the new models is the melta gun. The Warden comes stock with the chainblade and we've seen the battlecannon on the Crusader. So you can obviously make the normal knights too

We've only seen the rule page for the Warden; I'm interested if the Crusader's battlecannon is just a standard Knight rapid-fire battle cannon or if it will be a even a little different. I realize Epic isn't all that much to go by seeing as the Warden isn't reminiscent of its Epic incarnation, but the Crusader use to have a Quake Cannon and its such a big change on a fundamental level. Maybe a cannon is a cannon model-wise and it just has quake shells or some such; even FW pulled that variant cannon rules with their 30k paladin rules.

Reading the text on the Crusader page, it looks like it comes with the Thermal Cannon, which can be upgraded to the Battle Cannon.

 HGChamberlainIV wrote:

Wait, it says "Imperial Knight Warden, Crusader and Gallant..." What is the Knight Gallant?!?

Punchy-stabby.

Probably the Sword/Fist version.

Warhams-77 wrote:
More photos:



Source: /tg

Ok, so it says...

"Because the Knight Warden box contains the same three sprues as the Imperial Knight, you can choose to build this kit as a Knight Paladin or Knight Errant, complete with battle cannon or thermal cannon respectively. Of course, you can make use of the new sprue in the kit, too, and equip them with some of the more [unintelligible] wargear - the thunderstrike gauntlet, perhaps, or the shoulder-mounted [melta?]gun. Maybe you could build a Knight Paladin or Errant with one of the new face plates, the tilting shield or even the new carapace iconography.

"It's worth noting the Imperial Knight kit is still available. Parts from the two kits are interchangeable so, if you already own an Imperial Knight, or want to add another [unknown] to your collection, you can also add a missile pod or Icarus autocannon array [unknown] you have spare after building [your?] Knight Warden, Gallant or Crusader [unknown] painting it to match [unknown] the carapace..."

There is tons of awesome just in these two paragraphs...

So it looks like the Errant and Paladin will get the top of the carapace weapon add-on/upgrade options ?

Yeah. It's actually a real codex now!

Did I miss the picture of a shoulder-mounted meltagun somewhere?

Also, I am absolutely LOVING the fluff-continuity of the four-digit fist. Anyone notice the Skitarii bionic hands are all four-digit, but their bio-hands are five digit?

Definite
Errant
Paladin
Warden
Gallant
Crusader

Possible
Gerantius

Wishful Thinking
Acheron
Stryix
Magaera
Castigator
Lancer

 adamsouza wrote:
Definite
Errant
Paladin
Warden
Gallant
Crusader

Possible
Gerantius

Wishful Thinking
Acheron
Stryix
Magaera
Castigator
Lancer

Wasn't Gerantius the unique Knight from Sanctus Reach? You think he might be included as a SC?


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 HGChamberlainIV wrote:
Did I miss the picture of a shoulder-mounted meltagun somewhere?

Also, I am absolutely LOVING the fluff-continuity of the four-digit fist. Anyone notice the Skitarii bionic hands are all four-digit, but their bio-hands are five digit?

I found it...

I hope he will, or his legality is in question.

 HGChamberlainIV wrote:


Wasn't Gerantius the unique Knight from Sanctus Reach? You think he might be included as a SC?

Yes, Gerantius is a named, unique Freeblade. The one I like the paint and heraldry of the most, but who seems to be wholly confined to one planet, so is sort of silly to have, in most cases.

Since all they needed to do is cut and paste the Dataslate, and fluff, for Gerantius from the White Dwarf to the codex, I can't see why they wouldn't include him.

 adamsouza wrote:
Since all they needed to do is cut and paste the Dataslate, and fluff, for Gerantius from the White Dwarf to the codex, I can't see why they wouldn't include him.

He had specific, SC type rules on a dataslate?

I did not know that.

shade1313 wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
Since all they needed to do is cut and paste the Dataslate, and fluff, for Gerantius from the White Dwarf to the codex, I can't see why they wouldn't include him.

He had specific, SC type rules on a dataslate?

I did not know that.

Sure did. In fact, they gave them out for free as a digital download via the Warhammer App around Christmas time. I'm sure someone has them hosted somewhere.

There is also the Obsidian knight and the Household Spearhead from Warzone: Damocles that could be adapted to fit. That would be 2-3 more dataslate pages.

 HGChamberlainIV wrote:

 HGChamberlainIV wrote:
Did I miss the picture of a shoulder-mounted meltagun somewhere?

Also, I am absolutely LOVING the fluff-continuity of the four-digit fist. Anyone notice the Skitarii bionic hands are all four-digit, but their bio-hands are five digit?

I found it...

What an awesome idea... let's put a weapon that has a special effect that kicks in within 6" on the shoulder of a 6" tall model...




That'll be some points well spent, right there...

 adamsouza wrote:
So it looks like the Errant and Paladin will get the top of the carapace weapon add-on/upgrade options ?

It also sounds like they can take the fist, for some flip the rhino action.

 insaniak wrote:

What an awesome idea... let's put a weapon that has a special effect that kicks in within 6" on the shoulder of a 6" tall model...




That'll be some points well spent, right there...

Holdout gun against other LoW level opponents?

shade1313 wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

What an awesome idea... let's put a weapon that has a special effect that kicks in within 6" on the shoulder of a 6" tall model...




That'll be some points well spent, right there...

Holdout gun against other LoW level opponents?

Charge range is also 12." Seems like it is designed to knock a wound off a MC or GC before you charge it, or to try to pop a transport and then charge the contents while the bigger guns shoot at things further away. It's only 5 points as well, so not a bad investment, as the stubber is often only used to mark a target to charge, rather than expecting it to actually do any damage.

I'm wondering which setup would have more rule of cool, the guns or the giant missile launcher like the reaver?

And would you guys mind clarifying some things for me? If I buy this new knight with the codex, can I run it with the fist, the original cannon the first knight came with, and those autocannons?

Or is that not a legal setup?

 Stormwall wrote:
I'm wondering which setup would have more rule of cool, the guns or the giant missile launcher like the reaver?

And would you guys mind clarifying some things for me? If I buy this new knight with the codex, can I run it with the fist, the original cannon the first knight came with, and those autocannons?

Or is that not a legal setup?

From the looks of it:
Paladin- Sword and Battle cannon- can swap sword for fist
Errant- Sword and Melta Cannon- can swap sword for fist
Warden- Sword and Gatling- can swap sword for fist
Crusader- Gatling and Melta cannon- can swap Melta for Battle cannon
Gallant- Sword and Fist.
Any model can swap shoulder stubber for shoulder melta
Any model can take a missile launcher or autocannon on the carapace.

Okay, so it would be a Paladin with a fist upgrade and an Autocannon.

Thank you sir.

So wait, we're getting a new Imperial Knights Codex already?!

I'm hoping for sprues with the new weapons to show up, cause I already have 6 of the old ones...

And they are still the same points cost, so we're still hosed vs Eldar.

Not sure if it was mentioned but looks like the Imperial Knight Codex is no longer listed on the webstore...

Gerantius

I already own the existing kit(half finished, curse you Convertitis), and I'll likely only ever have reason to use a single Knight...but bugger me if I don't really fancy one of those Welfare-pattern Reavers. Not as much as if they'd put the effort in to actually modernise some of the other old Epic designs rather than just doing an add-on weapon sprue for the existing hull, but I'll probably get one eventually just to enjoy building it and swap which one I use on the table sometimes.

I'm glad I decided to hold off on buying the 'dex until I'd finished building the Knight though; replacing the whole codex so quickly is a dick move on GW's part when they could just have released the rules for the new stuff in WD.

Cheers for that Adam Souza, nice deduction on Gerantius. He has some pretty nifty special rules (the improved invun save and run and shoot could be great) and an excellent colour scheme. I am interested to see whether people think if he is worth the points or not.

I definitely want to add a new Knight or two to my collection as a result of this release.

Hey look at that. WD-only DLC.

I'm just glad I went to the trouble of pulling apart and magnetising my Knight a few months back, now I just need to wait for resellers and bits sites to start stocking the new sprues

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Cheers for that Adam Souza, nice deduction on Gerantius. He has some pretty nifty special rules (the improved invun save and run and shoot could be great) and an excellent colour scheme. I am interested to see whether people think if he is worth the points or not.

I definitely want to add a new Knight or two to my collection as a result of this release.

I remember seeing him and thinking he was overcosted :(

 Talys wrote:

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Cheers for that Adam Souza, nice deduction on Gerantius. He has some pretty nifty special rules (the improved invun save and run and shoot could be great) and an excellent colour scheme. I am interested to see whether people think if he is worth the points or not.

I definitely want to add a new Knight or two to my collection as a result of this release.

I remember seeing him and thinking he was overcosted :(

+130 points for a bump in BS and WS, 3+ Inv instead of 4+, the ability to run and shoot, and It Will Not Die is a pretty good deal.

I have one Knight and had planned to add another, but it will be hard to decide which one. I'm leaning towards the fist / gatling cannon but the twin cannon model looks good to.

I'm hoping they FAQ the adamantium lance so any variant can be used rather than just errant's and paladin's.

whether its the best loadout or not, i current see my warlord being a fist, gattling and stormspear rocket alongside two errants with those rockets as well.

gonna need as much str 8 ap3 as possible to take on those wraithknights.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Talys wrote:

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Cheers for that Adam Souza, nice deduction on Gerantius. He has some pretty nifty special rules (the improved invun save and run and shoot could be great) and an excellent colour scheme. I am interested to see whether people think if he is worth the points or not.

I definitely want to add a new Knight or two to my collection as a result of this release.

I remember seeing him and thinking he was overcosted :(

+130 points for a bump in BS and WS, 3+ Inv instead of 4+, the ability to run and shoot, and It Will Not Die is a pretty good deal.

The Seneschal in HH Book IV is 50 points for the bump in WS, BS and invulnerable, another 80 points for the rest seems a little pricey.

Plus, the Seneschal gets a reroll on the Warlord table as well, which doubles your chances at getting the It Will Not Die trait.

 Looky Likey wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Talys wrote:

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Cheers for that Adam Souza, nice deduction on Gerantius. He has some pretty nifty special rules (the improved invun save and run and shoot could be great) and an excellent colour scheme. I am interested to see whether people think if he is worth the points or not.

I definitely want to add a new Knight or two to my collection as a result of this release.

I remember seeing him and thinking he was overcosted :(

+130 points for a bump in BS and WS, 3+ Inv instead of 4+, the ability to run and shoot, and It Will Not Die is a pretty good deal.

The Seneschal in HH Book IV is 50 points for the bump in WS, BS and invulnerable, another 80 points for the rest seems a little pricey.

Currently in the IK dex one knight is upgraded to seneschal for free if they are you are primary detachment. so really you are paying 130 points for IWND, rerolls of 1's on stomps and the ability to run and shoot in same phase.

i'm not convinced he's worth it it.

Just realised this means you can do the Melta-Cannon/Power Fist like it's meant to be.

Now we just need Blackadder to produce some Carapace Conversion Kits to match old Epic model look to weapon loadout...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Just realised this means you can do the Melta-Cannon/Power Fist like it's meant to be.

Aye, and with the new head, we can finally run them as they are meant to be:




So, what Knights are left to be produced? The Castellan, which better have a Quake Cannon as well as a fancy pants Baron. There's also the Knight Centurion and Knight Praetorian as well, but as they were Citadel Journal rules, probably doubtful...

I sense magnets.....Magnets everywhere!!!

 SJM wrote:
I sense magnets.....Magnets everywhere!!!

Yeah. If it turns out you can build all 5 variants from the kit, I might just be pushed over the edge. I already have a Dreamforge Levi, but the option to run so many different setups is tempting.

 Paradigm wrote:

 SJM wrote:
I sense magnets.....Magnets everywhere!!!

Yeah. If it turns out you can build all 5 variants from the kit, I might just be pushed over the edge. I already have a Dreamforge Levi, but the option to run so many different setups is tempting.

You and me both mate. Holy crap I REALLY REALLY want a Knight now lol. Hmm all those lovely weapon options to pick from.. Plus plenty of spare bits to make big nasty weapons emplacements with too!

Seems like this is the Knight codex I wanted a year ago, I'm guessing I'd be making Knights know instead of Orks if it was.

More pics - From http://www.warhammer-forum.com/index.php?showtopic=230714&page=6#entry2739838


The models benefit from the larger variety of parts

Any one else find that the missile pods look 'right' but the autocannons don't?
Anyway, just bought a bunch of magnets just to restock. Glad I did. + glad I haven't put my 1st knight together yet!

 SJM wrote:
Seems like this is the Knight codex I wanted a year ago, I'm guessing I'd be making Knights know instead of Orks if it was.

Agreed - feels like a much more complete range now, I'm going to have to start saving up...

Warhams-77 wrote:
The models benefit from the larger variety of parts

I just can't get over the legs unfortunately.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hey look at that. WD-only DLC.

That came out with "The Red Waagh". I would be surprised if they didn't put him into the codex.

Looks like some more new face plates in that last picture.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
The models benefit from the larger variety of parts

I just can't get over the legs unfortunately.

That's what clippers and hobby knowhow is for surely?

 angelofvengeance wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
The models benefit from the larger variety of parts

I just can't get over the legs unfortunately.

That's what clippers and hobby knowhow is for surely?

It's a lot more work than I'm willing to put in unfortunately

 angelofvengeance wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
The models benefit from the larger variety of parts

I just can't get over the legs unfortunately.

That's what clippers and hobby knowhow is for surely?

It is possible to repose the Knight legs, but they're not easy to do, especially with all the hoses and hydraulic rams etc to line up.

Strangely, the FW Cerastus legs are infinitely more poseable, so it isn't like it's impossible to design a kit that allows it.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hey look at that. WD-only DLC.

That came out with "The Red Waagh". I would be surprised if they didn't put him into the codex.

There's Gerantius, The Forgotten Knight, and also the Obsidian Knight (from the Damocles Apocalypse Warzone book). That'd give you two named "special characters", plus the adamantium lance as one formation, and possibly a seperate formation for the 'artillery support knights' - who shouldn't, after all, be leading a charge.

Add in some relic-type-things and you've got something resembling a pretty open-ended army.
My one pet bugbear is that the (admittedly really pretty) avenger cannon strikes me as better than a warhound's vulcan mega-bolter thanks to rending.

I do like to see knights get some more 'screen time' - I love the models and they make for a very dramatic army in game. I just with the Tyranid Hierodule was a bit closer to being able to compete...

I'm glad there are some new helmets. I was bisecting and reassembling halves to make new ones.

The AA turret looks poorly thought out... It seems like it'd have been easier just to give us another type of missile to do the same thing. Or even just putting it on a bigger gimbal and hang it to the opposite side as the heavy stubber.

As a number people have pointed out... I'm happy I can give my errant knight a fist. Now I just wish my warden could have a gatling gun on each arm and a missile launcher; also the crusader should have a quake cannon.

I see a House Griffith Knight... this rekindles my hopes for them re-releasing the LE Knight decals or just providing the damn things in the new kit.

I'm loving the new face plates, definitely need to get myself one of these to make myself a Warden and to add a missile pod to my Errant.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
The models benefit from the larger variety of parts

I just can't get over the legs unfortunately.

That's what clippers and hobby knowhow is for surely?

It is possible to repose the Knight legs, but they're not easy to do, especially with all the hoses and hydraulic rams etc to line up.

Strangely, the FW Cerastus legs are infinitely more poseable, so it isn't like it's impossible to design a kit that allows it.

I haven't seen one in person, but from the looks of things the Cerastus looks harder to assemble, though in this case I think it's probably worth the effort. I imagine that's why GW didn't do it with the plastic legs though, they didn't want people having to cut the hydraulics to length like you have to do on the FW variant.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
The models benefit from the larger variety of parts

I just can't get over the legs unfortunately.

That's what clippers and hobby knowhow is for surely?

It's a £95 kit, I don't want to risk carving it up to change the leg pose.

I love everything they've added but I can't get past the legs either. A Knight house would look awesome, but not all with the exact same pose. As Azrael said, the FW ones are all poseable so it's not like it can't be done, and really at £95 should you really have to be cutting it up to pose it?

 Azreal13 wrote:
Strangely, the FW Cerastus legs are infinitely more poseable, so it isn't like it's impossible to design a kit that allows it.

It's a lot easier when you don't have to worry about sprue real estate.

Regardless, it's super disappointing that this is just an upgrade sprue. It should have been a complete new kit for the Warden and something else, with new legs and arms compatible with the old kit. The Gallant and Crusader should have been conversions only possible by using both boxes, but GW is allergic to conversions nowadays.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
The models benefit from the larger variety of parts

I just can't get over the legs unfortunately.

That's what clippers and hobby knowhow is for surely?

It is possible to repose the Knight legs, but they're not easy to do, especially with all the hoses and hydraulic rams etc to line up.

Strangely, the FW Cerastus legs are infinitely more poseable, so it isn't like it's impossible to design a kit that allows it.

I haven't seen one in person, but from the looks of things the Cerastus looks harder to assemble, though in this case I think it's probably worth the effort. I imagine that's why GW didn't do it with the plastic legs though, they didn't want people having to cut the hydraulics to length like you have to do on the FW variant.

I haven't seen one in person either but it only looks harder to assemble in as much as any resin kit is a bit harder to assemble than plastic ones. More time needed to prepare it, and you have to bend the weapon feeds etc and as you say cut the pistons. But the GW kit is at a price where really it should be more poseable than it is.

Even if there'd been a different set of legs with this one, I could live with that.

The Cerastus I built was a breeze. I wish that GW had put that amount of effort into leg posing! A shame they didn't, given their "model company" emphasis nowadays.

To be honest, I found the Cerastus Knights easier to assemble. They are more posable, and you have to take that into acount when you are doing the pistons, but there are less tiny fidly bits than the plastic IK kits.

 adamsouza wrote:
To be honest, I found the Cerastus Knights easier to assemble. They are more posable, and you have to take that into acount when you are doing the pistons, but there are less tiny fidly bits than the plastic IK kits.

I have a lancer, castigator and acheron and they all went together much easier than the regular IK or maegara.

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Strangely, the FW Cerastus legs are infinitely more poseable, so it isn't like it's impossible to design a kit that allows it.

It's a lot easier when you don't have to worry about sprue real estate.

The anatomy of the legs is essentially the same, they're just a bit cleverer in how they go together. I can see no reason for the IK GW kit not to have some more poseability outside of they didn't think of it or couldn't be bothered, or, somewhat more scarily, they are pandering to some hypothetical demographic that can't glue an ever so slightly more complicated set of parts together but has no issue with what they've made. Which must be a really, really small niche and an indicator that GW has totally lost sight of who they're selling to.

I haven't seen the kit in my hands, Is repositioning of the knights legs a non starter?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Stormwall wrote:
I'm wondering which setup would have more rule of cool, the guns or the giant missile launcher like the reaver?

And would you guys mind clarifying some things for me? If I buy this new knight with the codex, can I run it with the fist, the original cannon the first knight came with, and those autocannons?

Or is that not a legal setup?

From the looks of it:
Paladin- Sword and Battle cannon- can swap sword for fist
Errant- Sword and Melta Cannon- can swap sword for fist
Warden- Sword and Gatling- can swap sword for fist
Crusader- Gatling and Melta cannon- can swap Melta for Battle cannon
Gallant- Sword and Fist.
Any model can swap shoulder stubber for shoulder melta
Any model can take a missile launcher or autocannon on the carapace.

But what if the Crusader can take Melta and Battle Cannon? Or even dual of each?

 SJM wrote:
I haven't seen the kit in my hands, Is repositioning of the knights legs a non starter?

How much willpower/free time do you have?

The plastic IK offers no repositioning of the legs without conversion.

It's not a hard conversion, quick google and I found this guide: http://www.thediceabide.com/2014/04/step-by-step-guide-to-reposing-knight-titan-legs/

Mine I went with cutting the hexagon shaped peg from the top of the leg so that I could position the legs and then built up the base under the foot, even simpler but not as neat.

 HGChamberlainIV wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Stormwall wrote:
I'm wondering which setup would have more rule of cool, the guns or the giant missile launcher like the reaver?

And would you guys mind clarifying some things for me? If I buy this new knight with the codex, can I run it with the fist, the original cannon the first knight came with, and those autocannons?

Or is that not a legal setup?

From the looks of it:
Paladin- Sword and Battle cannon- can swap sword for fist
Errant- Sword and Melta Cannon- can swap sword for fist
Warden- Sword and Gatling- can swap sword for fist
Crusader- Gatling and Melta cannon- can swap Melta for Battle cannon
Gallant- Sword and Fist.
Any model can swap shoulder stubber for shoulder melta
Any model can take a missile launcher or autocannon on the carapace.

But what if the Crusader can take Melta and Battle Cannon? Or even dual of each?

I hoping for dual Gatling option.

 Anpu42 wrote:

 HGChamberlainIV wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Stormwall wrote:
I'm wondering which setup would have more rule of cool, the guns or the giant missile launcher like the reaver?

And would you guys mind clarifying some things for me? If I buy this new knight with the codex, can I run it with the fist, the original cannon the first knight came with, and those autocannons?

Or is that not a legal setup?

From the looks of it:
Paladin- Sword and Battle cannon- can swap sword for fist
Errant- Sword and Melta Cannon- can swap sword for fist
Warden- Sword and Gatling- can swap sword for fist
Crusader- Gatling and Melta cannon- can swap Melta for Battle cannon
Gallant- Sword and Fist.
Any model can swap shoulder stubber for shoulder melta
Any model can take a missile launcher or autocannon on the carapace.

But what if the Crusader can take Melta and Battle Cannon? Or even dual of each?

I hoping for dual Gatling option.

That would be wicked looking and super effective. So I'm guessing.... NO.

 Anpu42 wrote:

 HGChamberlainIV wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Stormwall wrote:
I'm wondering which setup would have more rule of cool, the guns or the giant missile launcher like the reaver?

And would you guys mind clarifying some things for me? If I buy this new knight with the codex, can I run it with the fist, the original cannon the first knight came with, and those autocannons?

Or is that not a legal setup?

From the looks of it:
Paladin- Sword and Battle cannon- can swap sword for fist
Errant- Sword and Melta Cannon- can swap sword for fist
Warden- Sword and Gatling- can swap sword for fist
Crusader- Gatling and Melta cannon- can swap Melta for Battle cannon
Gallant- Sword and Fist.
Any model can swap shoulder stubber for shoulder melta
Any model can take a missile launcher or autocannon on the carapace.

But what if the Crusader can take Melta and Battle Cannon? Or even dual of each?

I hoping for dual Gatling option.

Not one of the images had this configuration, so I would feel confident saying no.
Also as far as I am aware there is one of each weapon in the sprues.

Doesn't seem that Hard, and its not like you'll have to do it 30 times!

That said, GW could have easily helped out a little!

Yeah looking at that guide Looky Likey posted I struggle to see what the wailing and gnashing over the last 12 months was all about.

Considering the Riptide's legs are poseable I don't think it would have been much to ask.

I think it is less of an issue now that there are more customisation options for the top half. Posing can help break up the leg similarity.

Yeah,
So I sent a email...

Panic wrote:

Spoiler:

yeah,

++Email sent to GW : UK.CUSTSERV@GWPLC.COM
++ Subject : Can we expect a New Knight Codex Every Year??

Sirs,
I feel compelled to write to you about the new Imperial Knight codex appearing so soon!

I already thought the old codex was poor value with only two unit entries.
This is made worse when it only lasted a single year before you outdated it

Do you have any kind of voucher or a trade in discount plan you will offered to customers of the 'old' book?

Yours sincerley,
Gary Keenan

++End transmission++

Panic...

Desubot wrote: 10 bucks says the reply will be forwarded to an "appropriate" department and never seen again

Close!

+++ incoming transmission From GW HQ+++



+++ Out Going Transmission + Round two .... Fight! +++

Looky Likey wrote:It's not a hard conversion, quick google and I found this guide: http://www.thediceabide.com/2014/04/step-by-step-guide-to-reposing-knight-titan-legs/
...

Great link LookyLikey

notprop wrote:Yeah looking at that guide Looky Likey posted I struggle to see what the wailing and gnashing over the last 12 months was all about.

It's medium difficult at best with out any help But with Looky Likeys guide I'd say that's reduced to pretty easy.

And something Knight owners will notice

Panic...

Hi there Gary,

Many thanks for your email. I'm sorry you are unhappy with your current codex however I am unable to discuss any future releases.

Should any product you have still be in saleable condition (ie, in the shrink wrap), you can of course return it to any Games Workshop for a full refund.

Thank you,
Sophie

That is the kind of crap that ticks off customers. It isn't about the future release, it is about customer satisfaction.

I think a $5 voucher would have gone a long, long way. Hell, they could make it into a gimmick "Knightly Loyalty Program" to compensate for it, people eat that crap up if done right. Of course, I know it is a horrible mix of greed and apathy, plus not wanting to set a precedent for reimbursement for dissatisfaction. Sigh.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

Hi there Gary,

Many thanks for your email. I'm sorry you are unhappy with your current codex however I am unable to discuss any future releases.

Should any product you have still be in saleable condition (ie, in the shrink wrap), you can of course return it to any Games Workshop for a full refund.

Thank you,
Sophie

That is the kind of crap that ticks off customers. It isn't about the future release, it is about customer satisfaction.

I think a $5 voucher would have gone a long, long way. Hell, they could make it into a gimmick "Knightly Loyalty Program" to compensate for it, people eat that crap up if done right. Of course, I know it is a horrible mix of greed and apathy, plus not wanting to set a precedent for reimbursement for dissatisfaction. Sigh.

The problem with this idea or the idea of any kind of reimbursement program is that their entire business model is built on the production of new editions and the invalidation of older books. That means that if they were to offer something like that now, they would be setting a precedent for every book in the future. Then they'd be responsible for determining how sort is too short. Where's the cut off? Is 1.5 years satisfactory? or 2? or 3? How many years should a book be viable before they don't have to offer reimbursement? Its a very slippery slope for them to head down and from a business standpoint it really doesn't make sense for them to do. Now if you had bought the book from your lgs or gw last week of last month and have a receipt then I could definitely see them being in a position to do something for you, but I doubt arguing that this release is just too soon is going to get you anywhere.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
another thing to note: Is the disastisfaction over the codex enough to make you stop playing your knight army that you clearly have because you own the codex? Probably not and GW knows this. They know you'll be pissy for a bit... right up until you actually get the book and start using it and then it'll be all gravy again. The plastic crack analogy really couldn't be more fitting since this is almost exactly the same tactic a drug dealer would use.

Or, you know, we as customers could accept that they release their product in this manner and roll with it when they do things that may or may not be to our liking.

So yeah, Imperial Knights are being updated just a year after release. It was also the smallest Codex content-wise and the most in-need of more variation.

Its not like their release schedule doesn't make sense, either. Knights are expensive. Both for us and them. I imagine it was considered quite the risk to produce models like that. They are also aware that most people aren't going to be buying five or six hundred and a half dollar models at a time. Well, some people would, but the turnaround still would have been awful. So they had to release the initial set, probably before most of the design was done, just to make sure the product could sell. There's not much point in making more pieces for plastic that can't move. So they released what they did, got their proof of concept for sales, and were able to put more into the product as a result.

Is it unfortunate that people spent Codex price for a mini-dex with no shelf-life? Yes. However, that's just the way it goes sometimes.

Its not like the existing Knights are invalidated now, either. Their load-outs may be sub-optimal now, but I bet they're still beautiful models that could have some function on the table.

@ previous post: I actually have experience with that. I bought Dark Vengeance a week before they took it off to update it. They took my opened and partially de-sprued set and gave me a brand new one for (relatively) free. I paid for shipping to send it to them, but that's true for anything.

 Dramagod2 wrote:

another thing to note: Is the disastisfaction over the codex enough to make you stop playing your knight army that you clearly have because you own the codex? Probaby not and GW knows this. They know you'll be pissy for a bit... right up until you actually get the book and start using it and then it'll be all gravy again. The plastic crack analogy really couldn't be more fitting since this is almost exactly the same tactic a drug dealer would use.

It's not plastic crack, it's "codex crack." This is about a codex not about models. Tremendously overpriced, soon out of date codexes.

GW is releasing enough rules in WD and people talk about them enough online that a person could play games without even needing this new codex. Unless a person is entering tournaments I say don't bother buying the codex in cases like this. Why encourage such craptastic behavior on the part of GW?

Is there even a change that requires the new codex? I can see wanting the new dex if Knights are your main army but if you use them as an allied force would not the old dex and the new model rules from the white dwarf suffice?

Hey guys, thanks for posting that tutorial. I'm going to take one of these new knights (powerfist, normal paladin cannon, Icarus autocannons or the missile launcher) in a linebacker shoulder-bash pose to whatever unfortunate creature I sculpt.

The main challenge was cost and the legs. You guys have resolved the leg issue, thank you.

Solis Luna Astrum wrote:
Is there even a change that requires the new codex? I can see wanting the new dex if Knights are your main army but if you use them as an allied force would not the old dex and the new model rules from the white dwarf suffice?

Uh, oh! Look who's thinking rationally on the forums again! Why do that, when it's a lot more fun to rage and rant?

Solis Luna Astrum wrote:
Is there even a change that requires the new codex? I can see wanting the new dex if Knights are your main army but if you use them as an allied force would not the old dex and the new model rules from the white dwarf suffice?

Well considering the White Dwarf only has the rules for one of the configurations, it does have some impact.

Is the power fist only left handed I wonder, or is it reversable like the fw ones.

you need the dex for a few reasons, firstly, the other new configurations, but also, Im sure it's going to have new formations and dataslates, not to mention, the missile pod and the AA are a good sign that there may be some generic vehicle upgrades that can be taken not to mention possible relics. Now if it doesnt have this extra stuff then that would definitely suck, but if ti does then I would definitely feel fine getting a new one. I think the real crock was offering the first one as a full fledged codex to begin with. Only two units with not formations or anything else but fluff. What a waste. If anything, they're finally making up for it.

yeah,
Not raging or ranting.
Just a customer complaining to a company about my dissatisfaction with their newest release.
IMO GW’s best move was to offer a discount if you hand in the 'old' codex.

Probably not a bad move for all codex releases.
Rewarding continuing loyalty with a voucher… Most big companies do it.

If I was told I could get a voucher, I'd have been happy.
And I would have then told you Dakkanauts my great response from GW and we would all be saying how great their customer service is...
And their customer service is normally stellar in my experience.

Instead those of us who feel it was too short a life span will stew on how much we think GW has duped us.

Panic…

And yet still not a word on Chaos Knights.

 Panic wrote:
Yeah,
So I sent a email...

Panic wrote:

Spoiler:

yeah,

++Email sent to GW : UK.CUSTSERV@GWPLC.COM
++ Subject : Can we expect a New Knight Codex Every Year??

Sirs,
I feel compelled to write to you about the new Imperial Knight codex appearing so soon!

I already thought the old codex was poor value with only two unit entries.
This is made worse when it only lasted a single year before you outdated it

Do you have any kind of voucher or a trade in discount plan you will offered to customers of the 'old' book?

Yours sincerley,
Gary Keenan

++End transmission++

Panic...

Desubot wrote: 10 bucks says the reply will be forwarded to an "appropriate" department and never seen again

Close!

+++ incoming transmission From GW HQ+++

Spoiler:

Hi there Gary,

Many thanks for your email. I'm sorry you are unhappy with your current codex however I am unable to discuss any future releases.

Should any product you have still be in saleable condition (ie, in the shrink wrap), you can of course return it to any Games Workshop for a full refund.

Thank you,
Sophie

+++ Out Going Transmission + Round two .... Fight! +++

Spoiler:

Hello,

I do appreciate you acknowledging the unhappiness the short life span of my current codex has caused me.

Please feel free to respond to my dissatisfaction again as soon as you can officially acknowledge and respond to the existence of a 'New' Knight codex.

As an early adopter of knights, and proud owner of three, I hope you can do something.
I hate feeling like I was duped by a company I both enjoy and respect.

Gary.

Looky Likey wrote:It's not a hard conversion, quick google and I found this guide: http://www.thediceabide.com/2014/04/step-by-step-guide-to-reposing-knight-titan-legs/
...

Great link LookyLikey

notprop wrote:Yeah looking at that guide Looky Likey posted I struggle to see what the wailing and gnashing over the last 12 months was all about.

It's medium difficult at best with out any help But with Looky Likeys guide I'd say that's reduced to pretty easy.

And something Knight owners will notice

Panic...

Funny thing I wrote a similar email this morning:

"I am seeing all the chatter about a new Knight release with new models. While excited about the release I want to vent my frustration with you guys on this matter. I purchased the Knight codex in digital and print when it came out. The print version was worthless after the first FAQ came out in a matter of a few months. Now the codex is completely invalid with a new codex in less than a year!?! I love the releases you guys are doing but to work codex's this way is a dis-service to your customer base. I spend a lot of money on GW products and would like to see some type of financial apology to Knight players where we can turn in our old books to get a huge discount on new and allow us some way to purchase just the new sprue."

I have not received a response yet...

Dang it. it appears im out 10 dollars :(

 Fishboy wrote:

 Panic wrote:
Yeah,
So I sent a email...

Panic wrote:

Spoiler:

yeah,

++Email sent to GW : UK.CUSTSERV@GWPLC.COM
++ Subject : Can we expect a New Knight Codex Every Year??

Sirs,
I feel compelled to write to you about the new Imperial Knight codex appearing so soon!

I already thought the old codex was poor value with only two unit entries.
This is made worse when it only lasted a single year before you outdated it

Do you have any kind of voucher or a trade in discount plan you will offered to customers of the 'old' book?

Yours sincerley,
Gary Keenan

++End transmission++

Panic...

Desubot wrote: 10 bucks says the reply will be forwarded to an "appropriate" department and never seen again

Close!

+++ incoming transmission From GW HQ+++

Spoiler:

Hi there Gary,

Many thanks for your email. I'm sorry you are unhappy with your current codex however I am unable to discuss any future releases.

Should any product you have still be in saleable condition (ie, in the shrink wrap), you can of course return it to any Games Workshop for a full refund.

Thank you,
Sophie

+++ Out Going Transmission + Round two .... Fight! +++

Spoiler:

Hello,

I do appreciate you acknowledging the unhappiness the short life span of my current codex has caused me.

Please feel free to respond to my dissatisfaction again as soon as you can officially acknowledge and respond to the existence of a 'New' Knight codex.

As an early adopter of knights, and proud owner of three, I hope you can do something.
I hate feeling like I was duped by a company I both enjoy and respect.

Gary.

Looky Likey wrote:It's not a hard conversion, quick google and I found this guide: http://www.thediceabide.com/2014/04/step-by-step-guide-to-reposing-knight-titan-legs/
...

Great link LookyLikey

notprop wrote:Yeah looking at that guide Looky Likey posted I struggle to see what the wailing and gnashing over the last 12 months was all about.

It's medium difficult at best with out any help But with Looky Likeys guide I'd say that's reduced to pretty easy.

And something Knight owners will notice

Panic...

Funny thing I wrote a similar email this morning:

"I am seeing all the chatter about a new Knight release with new models. While excited about the release I want to vent my frustration with you guys on this matter. I purchased the Knight codex in digital and print when it came out. The print version was worthless after the first FAQ came out in a matter of a few months. Now the codex is completely invalid with a new codex in less than a year!?! I love the releases you guys are doing but to work codex's this way is a dis-service to your customer base. I spend a lot of money on GW products and would like to see some type of financial apology to Knight players where we can turn in our old books to get a huge discount on new and allow us some way to purchase just the new sprue."

I have not received a response yet...

Dear Fishboy,

Thank you for purchasing our codex instead of just buying an issue of the White Dwarf and penciling in points values like Breotan did. We understand that Breotan is likely going to pull this stunt again when he gets one of the new Knights and that's why we like you more. In fact we like you so much more, we've designed a whole new codex for you and will sell it to you through our online stone at a reasonable price.

Sincerely,

Games Workshop.

 Anpu42 wrote:

 HGChamberlainIV wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Stormwall wrote:
I'm wondering which setup would have more rule of cool, the guns or the giant missile launcher like the reaver?

And would you guys mind clarifying some things for me? If I buy this new knight with the codex, can I run it with the fist, the original cannon the first knight came with, and those autocannons?

Or is that not a legal setup?

From the looks of it:
Paladin- Sword and Battle cannon- can swap sword for fist
Errant- Sword and Melta Cannon- can swap sword for fist
Warden- Sword and Gatling- can swap sword for fist
Crusader- Gatling and Melta cannon- can swap Melta for Battle cannon
Gallant- Sword and Fist.
Any model can swap shoulder stubber for shoulder melta
Any model can take a missile launcher or autocannon on the carapace.

But what if the Crusader can take Melta and Battle Cannon? Or even dual of each?

I hoping for dual Gatling option.

Me too. When they say Warden Knight I think this guy:

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
And yet still not a word on Chaos Knights.

I have givin up all hope of seeing any mechanial love from GW. We will have to make due with own vastly sub-par codex and high priced FW "fixes".

yeah,

 Fishboy wrote:
Funny thing I wrote a similar email this morning:

"I am seeing all the chatter about a new Knight release with new models. While excited about the release I want to vent my frustration with you guys on this matter. I purchased the Knight codex in digital and print when it came out. The print version was worthless after the first FAQ came out in a matter of a few months. Now the codex is completely invalid with a new codex in less than a year!?! I love the releases you guys are doing but to work codex's this way is a dis-service to your customer base. I spend a lot of money on GW products and would like to see some type of financial apology to Knight players where we can turn in our old books to get a huge discount on new and allow us some way to purchase just the new sprue."

I have not received a response yet...

Good email you deserve a response.
I never even thought about those who doubled down on digital.

Two codexes for this army.

Plus a third (fourth if you already bought it... ) codex if you decide to ally in a knight. and why wouldn't you they are the pinicle of the AM way of waging war!

It's like someone at GW discovered that there is more money in selling paper than plastic!

Panic...

Yea, GW sure does crank out a lot of books for a model company.

I need the crusader point costs!!! NEED THEM!!!!

Woah, have I missed something? what is the unit In the middle?? I see Tracks..... Ork looted tracks!

 SJM wrote:
Woah, have I missed something? what is the unit In the middle?? I see Tracks..... Ork looted tracks!

Wrong thread. you want the AM thread.

 Panic wrote:
Two codexes for this army.

Plus a third (fourth if you already bought it... ) codex if you decide to ally in a knight. and why wouldn't you they are the pinicle of the AM way of waging war!

It's like someone at GW discovered that there is more money in selling paper than plastic!

Panic...

Five if you bought the "old" knight codex 2014 and you're getting the new 2015 replacement one. It's 40k, Call of Duty style!

Yeah, I was including the 2014 codex when I said four!

Has GW taken notice of the EA Games series!!


Panic.

Ah, sorry, didn't see that. Don't forget the core rules for $80 as well. That's almost $280 before you've even bought a single model! I realize not all are necessary and that this is a worst case scenario but the point stands. And, yes, I do think GW is purposely adopting a video game strategy for purchases with their DLC/microtransactions and now yearly iterations of the same damn thing.

So, when can I buy the season pass?

That implies a discount. GW is a luxury item and doesn't do discounts, peasant! The only thing you'll save on is bundle clicks!

Has this been posted yet?

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
here's the Knightly Heirlooms:

Sanctuary - Counts as Ion Shield, uncovered facings get 6+ inv.
Ravager - (chainblade) S: D, Ap1, re-roll failed to hit rolls of 1.
The Paragon Guantlet - s: D, Ap2, Colossal, Hurl, Master-Crafted.
Mark of the Omnissiah - Gains It Will Not Die.
Helm of the Nameless Warrior - Gains Rampage.
Banner of Macharius Triumphant - All friendly from Armies of the Imperium
faction within 12" re-roll failed morale, pinning and fear tests.

 Thud wrote:
Has this been posted yet?

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
here's the Knightly Heirlooms:

Sanctuary - Counts as Ion Shield, uncovered facings get 6+ inv.
Ravager - (chainblade) S: D, Ap1, re-roll failed to hit rolls of 1.
The Paragon Gauntlet - s: D, Ap2, Colossal, Hurl, Master-Crafted.
Mark of the Omnissiah - Gains It Will Not Die.
Helm of the Nameless Warrior - Gains Rampage.
Banner of Macharius Triumphant - All friendly from Armies of the Imperium
faction within 12" re-roll failed morale, pinning and fear tests.

Every knight should have Sanctuary as a standard piece of equipment.

A knight with Rampage just makes sense....

The banner is completely worthless.

Depending on the cost, the banner should be good for infantry Guard. It's going to have the same effect as a Regimental Standard, but cover a far larger area and be harder to get rid of. That's a lot of points saved on Commissars!

The IWND and Rampage ones look decent too.

Price is going to determine a lot. If they do Gerantius again, plus this relic on another, you got two IWND Knights. Not bad, but honestly, Big G is too expensive currently.

Fingers crossed that these Heirlooms are not like Relics and can be taken by any Knight, not just one. But that is asking for way too much.

They're Heirlooms, suggesting that yeah--they will be "taken by just one".

That Banner really is nice for allying with Guard.

 Kanluwen wrote:
They're Heirlooms, suggesting that yeah--they will be "taken by just one".

That Banner really is nice for allying with Guard.

Let me dream just a little bit longer...

Looks like I'm going to have give my Baroness a banner then.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
They're Heirlooms, suggesting that yeah--they will be "taken by just one".

That Banner really is nice for allying with Guard.

Let me dream just a little bit longer...

I'm willing to let you dream, but really why would you expect something called "Heirlooms" to be some kind of generic wargear option?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
They're Heirlooms, suggesting that yeah--they will be "taken by just one".

That Banner really is nice for allying with Guard.

Let me dream just a little bit longer...

I'm willing to let you dream, but really why would you expect something called "Heirlooms" to be some kind of generic wargear option?

Because they didn't call them relics? Maybe I was thinking more like "tomato" as opposed to "priceless one-of-a-kind artifact". Just call me a dreamer, man.

They're not always called relics. Tau have signature systems for example.

 warboss wrote:
They're not always called relics. Tau have signature systems for example.

I am still (foolishly) holding out hope for some non-unique wargear options.

If that were the case we'd see it in the previewed Warden entry by now.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
Yea, GW sure does crank out a lot of books for a model company.

The books are to tell you how to paint the models, duh

Though, that isn't too far from the truth with a good chunk of some of the books, like the first Imperial Knights codex. Ironically, a Sisters book would have as much or more content as some of he low model count books.

I shall keep the faith. SISTERS INCOMING!!!! (Just not sure which millenium)

 Talys wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
Yea, GW sure does crank out a lot of books for a model company.

The books are to tell you how to paint the models, duh

Though, that isn't too far from the truth with a good chunk of some of the books, like the first Imperial Knights codex. Ironically, a Sisters book would have as much or more content as some of he low model count books.

I shall keep the faith. SISTERS INCOMING!!!! (Just not sure which millenium)

I have been waiting a VERY long time for this. Nuns with guns get zero love for what ever reason. The point cost for a Canoness is way to high if you ask me and any army where you have to chose a special character as your HQ is not built right.

As far as the Knights go I can't wait. The Avenger Gattlin cannon definitely makes the Castigators somewhat obsolete. Glad the Knights will have some sort of AA.

 jvry8c wrote:

 Talys wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
Yea, GW sure does crank out a lot of books for a model company.

The books are to tell you how to paint the models, duh

Though, that isn't too far from the truth with a good chunk of some of the books, like the first Imperial Knights codex. Ironically, a Sisters book would have as much or more content as some of he low model count books.

I shall keep the faith. SISTERS INCOMING!!!! (Just not sure which millenium)

I have been waiting a VERY long time for this. Nuns with guns get zero love for what ever reason. The point cost for a Canoness is way to high if you ask me and any army where you have to chose a special character as your HQ is not built right.

As far as the Knights go I can't wait. The Avenger Gattlin cannon definitely makes the Castigators somewhat obsolete. Glad the Knights will have some sort of AA.

GW do tend to suck at female models though, barring Lilith, Sisters of Avalon and the new Witch Elves. On a side note though the Castigators may become obsolete as allies but in a knights army they are still troops while the wardens are heavy support right? I'm sure I read that somewhere.