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 adamsouza wrote:
To be honest, I found the Cerastus Knights easier to assemble. They are more posable, and you have to take that into acount when you are doing the pistons, but there are less tiny fidly bits than the plastic IK kits.

I have a lancer, castigator and acheron and they all went together much easier than the regular IK or maegara.

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Strangely, the FW Cerastus legs are infinitely more poseable, so it isn't like it's impossible to design a kit that allows it.

It's a lot easier when you don't have to worry about sprue real estate.

The anatomy of the legs is essentially the same, they're just a bit cleverer in how they go together. I can see no reason for the IK GW kit not to have some more poseability outside of they didn't think of it or couldn't be bothered, or, somewhat more scarily, they are pandering to some hypothetical demographic that can't glue an ever so slightly more complicated set of parts together but has no issue with what they've made. Which must be a really, really small niche and an indicator that GW has totally lost sight of who they're selling to.

I haven't seen the kit in my hands, Is repositioning of the knights legs a non starter?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Stormwall wrote:
I'm wondering which setup would have more rule of cool, the guns or the giant missile launcher like the reaver?

And would you guys mind clarifying some things for me? If I buy this new knight with the codex, can I run it with the fist, the original cannon the first knight came with, and those autocannons?

Or is that not a legal setup?

From the looks of it:
Paladin- Sword and Battle cannon- can swap sword for fist
Errant- Sword and Melta Cannon- can swap sword for fist
Warden- Sword and Gatling- can swap sword for fist
Crusader- Gatling and Melta cannon- can swap Melta for Battle cannon
Gallant- Sword and Fist.
Any model can swap shoulder stubber for shoulder melta
Any model can take a missile launcher or autocannon on the carapace.

But what if the Crusader can take Melta and Battle Cannon? Or even dual of each?

 SJM wrote:
I haven't seen the kit in my hands, Is repositioning of the knights legs a non starter?

How much willpower/free time do you have?

The plastic IK offers no repositioning of the legs without conversion.

It's not a hard conversion, quick google and I found this guide: http://www.thediceabide.com/2014/04/step-by-step-guide-to-reposing-knight-titan-legs/

Mine I went with cutting the hexagon shaped peg from the top of the leg so that I could position the legs and then built up the base under the foot, even simpler but not as neat.

 HGChamberlainIV wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Stormwall wrote:
I'm wondering which setup would have more rule of cool, the guns or the giant missile launcher like the reaver?

And would you guys mind clarifying some things for me? If I buy this new knight with the codex, can I run it with the fist, the original cannon the first knight came with, and those autocannons?

Or is that not a legal setup?

From the looks of it:
Paladin- Sword and Battle cannon- can swap sword for fist
Errant- Sword and Melta Cannon- can swap sword for fist
Warden- Sword and Gatling- can swap sword for fist
Crusader- Gatling and Melta cannon- can swap Melta for Battle cannon
Gallant- Sword and Fist.
Any model can swap shoulder stubber for shoulder melta
Any model can take a missile launcher or autocannon on the carapace.

But what if the Crusader can take Melta and Battle Cannon? Or even dual of each?

I hoping for dual Gatling option.

 Anpu42 wrote:

 HGChamberlainIV wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Stormwall wrote:
I'm wondering which setup would have more rule of cool, the guns or the giant missile launcher like the reaver?

And would you guys mind clarifying some things for me? If I buy this new knight with the codex, can I run it with the fist, the original cannon the first knight came with, and those autocannons?

Or is that not a legal setup?

From the looks of it:
Paladin- Sword and Battle cannon- can swap sword for fist
Errant- Sword and Melta Cannon- can swap sword for fist
Warden- Sword and Gatling- can swap sword for fist
Crusader- Gatling and Melta cannon- can swap Melta for Battle cannon
Gallant- Sword and Fist.
Any model can swap shoulder stubber for shoulder melta
Any model can take a missile launcher or autocannon on the carapace.

But what if the Crusader can take Melta and Battle Cannon? Or even dual of each?

I hoping for dual Gatling option.

That would be wicked looking and super effective. So I'm guessing.... NO.

 Anpu42 wrote:

 HGChamberlainIV wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Stormwall wrote:
I'm wondering which setup would have more rule of cool, the guns or the giant missile launcher like the reaver?

And would you guys mind clarifying some things for me? If I buy this new knight with the codex, can I run it with the fist, the original cannon the first knight came with, and those autocannons?

Or is that not a legal setup?

From the looks of it:
Paladin- Sword and Battle cannon- can swap sword for fist
Errant- Sword and Melta Cannon- can swap sword for fist
Warden- Sword and Gatling- can swap sword for fist
Crusader- Gatling and Melta cannon- can swap Melta for Battle cannon
Gallant- Sword and Fist.
Any model can swap shoulder stubber for shoulder melta
Any model can take a missile launcher or autocannon on the carapace.

But what if the Crusader can take Melta and Battle Cannon? Or even dual of each?

I hoping for dual Gatling option.

Not one of the images had this configuration, so I would feel confident saying no.
Also as far as I am aware there is one of each weapon in the sprues.

Doesn't seem that Hard, and its not like you'll have to do it 30 times!

That said, GW could have easily helped out a little!

Yeah looking at that guide Looky Likey posted I struggle to see what the wailing and gnashing over the last 12 months was all about.

Considering the Riptide's legs are poseable I don't think it would have been much to ask.

I think it is less of an issue now that there are more customisation options for the top half. Posing can help break up the leg similarity.

Yeah,
So I sent a email...

Panic wrote:

Spoiler:

yeah,

++Email sent to GW : UK.CUSTSERV@GWPLC.COM
++ Subject : Can we expect a New Knight Codex Every Year??

Sirs,
I feel compelled to write to you about the new Imperial Knight codex appearing so soon!

I already thought the old codex was poor value with only two unit entries.
This is made worse when it only lasted a single year before you outdated it

Do you have any kind of voucher or a trade in discount plan you will offered to customers of the 'old' book?

Yours sincerley,
Gary Keenan

++End transmission++

Panic...

Desubot wrote: 10 bucks says the reply will be forwarded to an "appropriate" department and never seen again

Close!

+++ incoming transmission From GW HQ+++



+++ Out Going Transmission + Round two .... Fight! +++

Looky Likey wrote:It's not a hard conversion, quick google and I found this guide: http://www.thediceabide.com/2014/04/step-by-step-guide-to-reposing-knight-titan-legs/
...

Great link LookyLikey

notprop wrote:Yeah looking at that guide Looky Likey posted I struggle to see what the wailing and gnashing over the last 12 months was all about.

It's medium difficult at best with out any help But with Looky Likeys guide I'd say that's reduced to pretty easy.

And something Knight owners will notice

Panic...

Hi there Gary,

Many thanks for your email. I'm sorry you are unhappy with your current codex however I am unable to discuss any future releases.

Should any product you have still be in saleable condition (ie, in the shrink wrap), you can of course return it to any Games Workshop for a full refund.

Thank you,
Sophie

That is the kind of crap that ticks off customers. It isn't about the future release, it is about customer satisfaction.

I think a $5 voucher would have gone a long, long way. Hell, they could make it into a gimmick "Knightly Loyalty Program" to compensate for it, people eat that crap up if done right. Of course, I know it is a horrible mix of greed and apathy, plus not wanting to set a precedent for reimbursement for dissatisfaction. Sigh.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

Hi there Gary,

Many thanks for your email. I'm sorry you are unhappy with your current codex however I am unable to discuss any future releases.

Should any product you have still be in saleable condition (ie, in the shrink wrap), you can of course return it to any Games Workshop for a full refund.

Thank you,
Sophie

That is the kind of crap that ticks off customers. It isn't about the future release, it is about customer satisfaction.

I think a $5 voucher would have gone a long, long way. Hell, they could make it into a gimmick "Knightly Loyalty Program" to compensate for it, people eat that crap up if done right. Of course, I know it is a horrible mix of greed and apathy, plus not wanting to set a precedent for reimbursement for dissatisfaction. Sigh.

The problem with this idea or the idea of any kind of reimbursement program is that their entire business model is built on the production of new editions and the invalidation of older books. That means that if they were to offer something like that now, they would be setting a precedent for every book in the future. Then they'd be responsible for determining how sort is too short. Where's the cut off? Is 1.5 years satisfactory? or 2? or 3? How many years should a book be viable before they don't have to offer reimbursement? Its a very slippery slope for them to head down and from a business standpoint it really doesn't make sense for them to do. Now if you had bought the book from your lgs or gw last week of last month and have a receipt then I could definitely see them being in a position to do something for you, but I doubt arguing that this release is just too soon is going to get you anywhere.


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another thing to note: Is the disastisfaction over the codex enough to make you stop playing your knight army that you clearly have because you own the codex? Probably not and GW knows this. They know you'll be pissy for a bit... right up until you actually get the book and start using it and then it'll be all gravy again. The plastic crack analogy really couldn't be more fitting since this is almost exactly the same tactic a drug dealer would use.

Or, you know, we as customers could accept that they release their product in this manner and roll with it when they do things that may or may not be to our liking.

So yeah, Imperial Knights are being updated just a year after release. It was also the smallest Codex content-wise and the most in-need of more variation.

Its not like their release schedule doesn't make sense, either. Knights are expensive. Both for us and them. I imagine it was considered quite the risk to produce models like that. They are also aware that most people aren't going to be buying five or six hundred and a half dollar models at a time. Well, some people would, but the turnaround still would have been awful. So they had to release the initial set, probably before most of the design was done, just to make sure the product could sell. There's not much point in making more pieces for plastic that can't move. So they released what they did, got their proof of concept for sales, and were able to put more into the product as a result.

Is it unfortunate that people spent Codex price for a mini-dex with no shelf-life? Yes. However, that's just the way it goes sometimes.

Its not like the existing Knights are invalidated now, either. Their load-outs may be sub-optimal now, but I bet they're still beautiful models that could have some function on the table.

@ previous post: I actually have experience with that. I bought Dark Vengeance a week before they took it off to update it. They took my opened and partially de-sprued set and gave me a brand new one for (relatively) free. I paid for shipping to send it to them, but that's true for anything.

 Dramagod2 wrote:

another thing to note: Is the disastisfaction over the codex enough to make you stop playing your knight army that you clearly have because you own the codex? Probaby not and GW knows this. They know you'll be pissy for a bit... right up until you actually get the book and start using it and then it'll be all gravy again. The plastic crack analogy really couldn't be more fitting since this is almost exactly the same tactic a drug dealer would use.

It's not plastic crack, it's "codex crack." This is about a codex not about models. Tremendously overpriced, soon out of date codexes.

GW is releasing enough rules in WD and people talk about them enough online that a person could play games without even needing this new codex. Unless a person is entering tournaments I say don't bother buying the codex in cases like this. Why encourage such craptastic behavior on the part of GW?

Is there even a change that requires the new codex? I can see wanting the new dex if Knights are your main army but if you use them as an allied force would not the old dex and the new model rules from the white dwarf suffice?

Hey guys, thanks for posting that tutorial. I'm going to take one of these new knights (powerfist, normal paladin cannon, Icarus autocannons or the missile launcher) in a linebacker shoulder-bash pose to whatever unfortunate creature I sculpt.

The main challenge was cost and the legs. You guys have resolved the leg issue, thank you.

Solis Luna Astrum wrote:
Is there even a change that requires the new codex? I can see wanting the new dex if Knights are your main army but if you use them as an allied force would not the old dex and the new model rules from the white dwarf suffice?

Uh, oh! Look who's thinking rationally on the forums again! Why do that, when it's a lot more fun to rage and rant?

Solis Luna Astrum wrote:
Is there even a change that requires the new codex? I can see wanting the new dex if Knights are your main army but if you use them as an allied force would not the old dex and the new model rules from the white dwarf suffice?

Well considering the White Dwarf only has the rules for one of the configurations, it does have some impact.

Is the power fist only left handed I wonder, or is it reversable like the fw ones.

you need the dex for a few reasons, firstly, the other new configurations, but also, Im sure it's going to have new formations and dataslates, not to mention, the missile pod and the AA are a good sign that there may be some generic vehicle upgrades that can be taken not to mention possible relics. Now if it doesnt have this extra stuff then that would definitely suck, but if ti does then I would definitely feel fine getting a new one. I think the real crock was offering the first one as a full fledged codex to begin with. Only two units with not formations or anything else but fluff. What a waste. If anything, they're finally making up for it.

yeah,
Not raging or ranting.
Just a customer complaining to a company about my dissatisfaction with their newest release.
IMO GW’s best move was to offer a discount if you hand in the 'old' codex.

Probably not a bad move for all codex releases.
Rewarding continuing loyalty with a voucher… Most big companies do it.

If I was told I could get a voucher, I'd have been happy.
And I would have then told you Dakkanauts my great response from GW and we would all be saying how great their customer service is...
And their customer service is normally stellar in my experience.

Instead those of us who feel it was too short a life span will stew on how much we think GW has duped us.

Panic…

And yet still not a word on Chaos Knights.

 Panic wrote:
Yeah,
So I sent a email...

Panic wrote:

Spoiler:

yeah,

++Email sent to GW : UK.CUSTSERV@GWPLC.COM
++ Subject : Can we expect a New Knight Codex Every Year??

Sirs,
I feel compelled to write to you about the new Imperial Knight codex appearing so soon!

I already thought the old codex was poor value with only two unit entries.
This is made worse when it only lasted a single year before you outdated it

Do you have any kind of voucher or a trade in discount plan you will offered to customers of the 'old' book?

Yours sincerley,
Gary Keenan

++End transmission++

Panic...

Desubot wrote: 10 bucks says the reply will be forwarded to an "appropriate" department and never seen again

Close!

+++ incoming transmission From GW HQ+++

Spoiler:

Hi there Gary,

Many thanks for your email. I'm sorry you are unhappy with your current codex however I am unable to discuss any future releases.

Should any product you have still be in saleable condition (ie, in the shrink wrap), you can of course return it to any Games Workshop for a full refund.

Thank you,
Sophie

+++ Out Going Transmission + Round two .... Fight! +++

Spoiler:

Hello,

I do appreciate you acknowledging the unhappiness the short life span of my current codex has caused me.

Please feel free to respond to my dissatisfaction again as soon as you can officially acknowledge and respond to the existence of a 'New' Knight codex.

As an early adopter of knights, and proud owner of three, I hope you can do something.
I hate feeling like I was duped by a company I both enjoy and respect.

Gary.

Looky Likey wrote:It's not a hard conversion, quick google and I found this guide: http://www.thediceabide.com/2014/04/step-by-step-guide-to-reposing-knight-titan-legs/
...

Great link LookyLikey

notprop wrote:Yeah looking at that guide Looky Likey posted I struggle to see what the wailing and gnashing over the last 12 months was all about.

It's medium difficult at best with out any help But with Looky Likeys guide I'd say that's reduced to pretty easy.

And something Knight owners will notice

Panic...

Funny thing I wrote a similar email this morning:

"I am seeing all the chatter about a new Knight release with new models. While excited about the release I want to vent my frustration with you guys on this matter. I purchased the Knight codex in digital and print when it came out. The print version was worthless after the first FAQ came out in a matter of a few months. Now the codex is completely invalid with a new codex in less than a year!?! I love the releases you guys are doing but to work codex's this way is a dis-service to your customer base. I spend a lot of money on GW products and would like to see some type of financial apology to Knight players where we can turn in our old books to get a huge discount on new and allow us some way to purchase just the new sprue."

I have not received a response yet...

Dang it. it appears im out 10 dollars :(

 Fishboy wrote:

 Panic wrote:
Yeah,
So I sent a email...

Panic wrote:

Spoiler:

yeah,

++Email sent to GW : UK.CUSTSERV@GWPLC.COM
++ Subject : Can we expect a New Knight Codex Every Year??

Sirs,
I feel compelled to write to you about the new Imperial Knight codex appearing so soon!

I already thought the old codex was poor value with only two unit entries.
This is made worse when it only lasted a single year before you outdated it

Do you have any kind of voucher or a trade in discount plan you will offered to customers of the 'old' book?

Yours sincerley,
Gary Keenan

++End transmission++

Panic...

Desubot wrote: 10 bucks says the reply will be forwarded to an "appropriate" department and never seen again

Close!

+++ incoming transmission From GW HQ+++

Spoiler:

Hi there Gary,

Many thanks for your email. I'm sorry you are unhappy with your current codex however I am unable to discuss any future releases.

Should any product you have still be in saleable condition (ie, in the shrink wrap), you can of course return it to any Games Workshop for a full refund.

Thank you,
Sophie

+++ Out Going Transmission + Round two .... Fight! +++

Spoiler:

Hello,

I do appreciate you acknowledging the unhappiness the short life span of my current codex has caused me.

Please feel free to respond to my dissatisfaction again as soon as you can officially acknowledge and respond to the existence of a 'New' Knight codex.

As an early adopter of knights, and proud owner of three, I hope you can do something.
I hate feeling like I was duped by a company I both enjoy and respect.

Gary.

Looky Likey wrote:It's not a hard conversion, quick google and I found this guide: http://www.thediceabide.com/2014/04/step-by-step-guide-to-reposing-knight-titan-legs/
...

Great link LookyLikey

notprop wrote:Yeah looking at that guide Looky Likey posted I struggle to see what the wailing and gnashing over the last 12 months was all about.

It's medium difficult at best with out any help But with Looky Likeys guide I'd say that's reduced to pretty easy.

And something Knight owners will notice

Panic...

Funny thing I wrote a similar email this morning:

"I am seeing all the chatter about a new Knight release with new models. While excited about the release I want to vent my frustration with you guys on this matter. I purchased the Knight codex in digital and print when it came out. The print version was worthless after the first FAQ came out in a matter of a few months. Now the codex is completely invalid with a new codex in less than a year!?! I love the releases you guys are doing but to work codex's this way is a dis-service to your customer base. I spend a lot of money on GW products and would like to see some type of financial apology to Knight players where we can turn in our old books to get a huge discount on new and allow us some way to purchase just the new sprue."

I have not received a response yet...

Dear Fishboy,

Thank you for purchasing our codex instead of just buying an issue of the White Dwarf and penciling in points values like Breotan did. We understand that Breotan is likely going to pull this stunt again when he gets one of the new Knights and that's why we like you more. In fact we like you so much more, we've designed a whole new codex for you and will sell it to you through our online stone at a reasonable price.

Sincerely,

Games Workshop.

 Anpu42 wrote:

 HGChamberlainIV wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Stormwall wrote:
I'm wondering which setup would have more rule of cool, the guns or the giant missile launcher like the reaver?

And would you guys mind clarifying some things for me? If I buy this new knight with the codex, can I run it with the fist, the original cannon the first knight came with, and those autocannons?

Or is that not a legal setup?

From the looks of it:
Paladin- Sword and Battle cannon- can swap sword for fist
Errant- Sword and Melta Cannon- can swap sword for fist
Warden- Sword and Gatling- can swap sword for fist
Crusader- Gatling and Melta cannon- can swap Melta for Battle cannon
Gallant- Sword and Fist.
Any model can swap shoulder stubber for shoulder melta
Any model can take a missile launcher or autocannon on the carapace.

But what if the Crusader can take Melta and Battle Cannon? Or even dual of each?

I hoping for dual Gatling option.

Me too. When they say Warden Knight I think this guy: