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Does it look to anyone else that the Gatling cannon has an under-slung heavy flamer on it?

That certainly looks like a heavy flamer.


So the Crusader is pictured with the battle cannon, gatling gun, and Icarus. The Warden is pictured as gatling gun, missile launcher, fist. The third guy, the rumor called him a Gallant, has Chainsword, fist, and missile launcher.

I hope on the Crusader it isn't just a knight battlecannon; it would miss the point of what was the Crusader.

I hope the Errant gets to take the fist as an upgrade, like it should.

From that screencap, I saw this:

"further equipped with a shoulder-mounted meltagun"

Huh.

From the way that product description reads, the Errant/Paladin can be given any of the new upgrades(the fist, Icarus autocannons, and missile launchers)...which is why I'm really hoping they sell the sprue separately for a bit.

Can anyone check the math of a dakkaknight (missile launcher, rapid-fire battle cannon, avenger gatling cannon) vs a wraithknight with 2 heavy wraithcannons?

You replace the weapons at the arms. He can take one of the three options mounted on top. The rest should be easy


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I did - on Imgur

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/300/645494.page#7792744

Warhams-77 wrote:
You replace the weapons at the arms. He can take one of the three options mounted on top. The rest should be easy


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I did - on Imgur

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/300/645494.page#7792744

Photobucket would be great! I think that is unblocked at my job.

Mightily impressed all round tbh. Great new wepaons - that gatling cannon thing is wow, love the new faceplate. hurl rules could be hilarious and they dont seem utterly OP.
Darn, more money to be spent.....

The 'old' Knight kit is not going to be removed according to White Dwarf 66 - the price will not change. The new kit costs as much as it was rumored it would, 124 EUR (~ the Lord of Skulls kit).

Ah, well that's good news then. Perhaps I'll be able to pick up the other parts are sprue on eBay.

 Dr. Delorean wrote:
Can anyone check the math of a dakkaknight (missile launcher, rapid-fire battle cannon, avenger gatling cannon) vs a wraithknight with 2 heavy wraithcannons?

Hard to do when we don't know that stats on the "dakkaknight" (whatever that is), or what any of it's weapons are. The missile launcher is such an ubiquitous weapon that it could quite literally have any stat you can think of. The rapid-fire battle cannon should be similar, or the same as, the current rapid-fire battle cannon, but it's a new codex, so it might have additional/different rules then what it has now. To my knowledge, there are at least 4 different variants of the Avenger Gatling Cannon (the Titan version, the Lightning Flyer version, the Dark Angels version, and the IG version). I'm sure this one will have different rules as well.

On top of that, what kind of bonuses or abilities are we talking about here? It's ridiculously easy to give an Eldar Wraithknight Invisibility, or rerolls on hits, or a dozen other buffs, and we have no idea how the new Imperial Knights can be buffed.

We can Mathhammer all you want, but if the Wraithknight rolls a 6 to wound, that Imperial Knight just got one-shotted. Unless the Imperial Knight gets a ranged D-weapon, then there is nothing it can do to take out a Wraithknight in one turn. Melee combat? Again, it comes down to buffs and who attacked first.

Final thoughts: Gargantuan Monstrous Creatures > Super Heavy Walkers

The one with giant chainsword and fist shows what a monumental difference posing makes, it's in a legitimate combat stance unlike the green one with gatling cannon and fist that's standing around shrugging its shoulders going 'What? What did I do?'

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:


Photobucket would be great! I think that is unblocked at my job.

Will be out of for a walk before it starts raining. If no one uploads them on a different hoster, I will later today

You know... I love that model and the rules... but I just can't take the chicken legs. Somebody kit-bash a beak on that thing!

 Kanluwen wrote:
Okay, if any Knight can be upgraded with the twin Icarus Autocannons then I really hope they sell that sprue separately.

I'm guessing they won't. You can buy the kit, grab the sprue and either build the other one or resell.

For my money, it's pretty good though. You buy a knight and then use it to outfit an existing knight. Good thing my existing one is magnetized!


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 Tamwulf wrote:
Hard to do when we don't know that stats on the "dakkaknight" (whatever that is), or what any of it's weapons are. The missile launcher is such an ubiquitous weapon that it could quite literally have any stat you can think of. The rapid-fire battle cannon should be similar, or the same as, the current rapid-fire battle cannon, but it's a new codex, so it might have additional/different rules then what it has now. To my knowledge, there are at least 4 different variants of the Avenger Gatling Cannon (the Titan version, the Lightning Flyer version, the Dark Angels version, and the IG version). I'm sure this one will have different rules as well.

The stats for the weapons were posted in at least two pics.

Looks like the Warden can switch out the Heavy Stubber for a meltagun, starts with Chainsword and upgrades to fist.

I don't know German, but I do know contextual clues!

Wargear
• Avenger Gatling Cannon
• Heavy Flamer
• Heavy Stubber
• Reaper Chainsword
• Ion Shield

Options
• May replace its Reaper Chainsword with a Thunderstrike Gauntlet (10 pts)
• May replace its Heavy Stubber with a Meltagun (5 pts)
• May equip one of the following:
o Ironstorm Missle Pod (30 pts)
o Twin Icarus Autocannon (35 pts)
o Stormspear Rocket Pod (40 pts)

 BloodGrin wrote:

Thanks! Now we just need a German translation.

'machinengewehr'? So, Machine spirit? any german speakers up today to confirm/deny?

No need; it's a Super Heavy Walker. Machinengewehr is a Heavy Stubber.

A melta gun? Why not a multimelta? Seems to me a 12 inch range 1 shot weapon is meh at best for a titan. The flamer at least deals with infantry but a melta gun?

There's a quick English language dataslate I whipped up.

Those are some pricey upgrades. Especially in light of the last pointy eared monster's pricing.

 BrokenRecord wrote:
I don't know German, but I do know contextual clues!

Wargear
• Avenger Gatling Cannon
• Heavy Flamer
• Heavy Stubber
• Reaper Chainsword
• Ion Shield

Options
• May replace its Reaper Chainsword with a Thunderstrike Gauntlet (10 pts)
• May replace its Heavy Stubber with a Meltagun (5 pts)
• May equip one of the following:
o Ironstorm Missle Pod (30 pts)
o Twin Icarus Autocannon (35 pts)
o Stormspear Rocket Pod (40 pts)

This is correct

 Eldarain wrote:
Those are some pricey upgrades. Especially in light of the last pointy eared monster's pricing.

Unless the base Knight has dropped to 200-250pt. Fingers crossed.

Have GW being reading my notes? I've been toying with superheavy rules for my Wraithknight special character (to use in a possible narrative campaign), and one of the many concepts behind her is that she could throw things. My range and strength formula is a bit off from "The Bigger They Are..." (a Land Raider should hit far harder than a Wraithlord, and not go nearly as far), but it's very similar. Now we have a Knight with a gatling cannon (I've been wanting to build a Knight-class punisher cannon forever, the rules for which literally just being twice as many shots like the Knight battlecannon).

Not that I'm amazingly original, but it's a bit scary to see all these things in such quick succession.

Anybody else find it comical that these Knights are almost 100 points more than the WK but nowhere near as good?

 ClassicCarraway wrote:
Anybody else find it comical that these Knights are almost 100 points more than the WK but nowhere near as good?

I disagree about "not as good" and I play Eldar and I am guessing that you do not.
The Knights are much more versatile.