Lovely miniatures, all of them. Amazing stuff.

Love the Szeras model, looks really alien and weird.

The rules though, a 9" 1/6 perils bubble? Really? That's never going to do anything. Ugh, what's up with all the gak Xenos rules lately? Used up all the good stuff for Marines?

 Overread wrote:

Are you sure? Perhaps DE players with large legacy armies where both those models that were replaced were originally bought in metal; or with lucky (or hard work fix) finecast. However I know that Tyranid players and Eldar players would love (and do love) getting replacement plastics for current finecast models. Heck the Necron lord in the release event we just had is a replacement sculpt.

Given that Eldar already has an excellent selection of units, with the only real issue being large numbers of very dated models, it's hardly surprising that Eldar players are more interested in re-sculpts.

However, since DE has lost somewhere in the region of 66% of its HQ choices, I would far rather see them get sculpts for new units, rather than just new sculpts for what few models they have left. And it's not like the Incubi were even that old to begin with.

Can you guys take the DE chat to a dedicated thread? If they didn't preview them then it's not really pertinent to this thread.

Nice preview, sadly seems pointless given they extended the shut down to indefinitely.

 Oguhmek wrote:
Lovely miniatures, all of them. Amazing stuff.

Love the Szeras model, looks really alien and weird.

The rules though, a 9" 1/6 perils bubble? Really? That's never going to do anything. Ugh, what's up with all the gak Xenos rules lately? Used up all the good stuff for Marines?

The bubble does seem small but that’s a single rule in a vacuum.
Wouldn’t surprise me if there were ways of extending that bubble or even projecting it around certain friendly models etc.

Jackal90 wrote:

 Oguhmek wrote:
Lovely miniatures, all of them. Amazing stuff.

Love the Szeras model, looks really alien and weird.

The rules though, a 9" 1/6 perils bubble? Really? That's never going to do anything. Ugh, what's up with all the gak Xenos rules lately? Used up all the good stuff for Marines?

The bubble does seem small but that’s a single rule in a vacuum.
Wouldn’t surprise me if there were ways of extending that bubble or even projecting it around certain friendly models etc.

Well yes I hope so, Necrons have very little useful synergies today so I really hope they get some.

I got all excited when I saw Gargants, thought the Orks were coming to Titanicus! Was disappointed ...

Voss wrote:

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
I wish. They cost 30€ each on the EU store.

Plus another tenner for shipping. And with the webstore effectively closed, getting over the free shipping threshold requires buying.. another one? Or the marine? That's it I think.

Had no intention of resisting purchasing one more Sister almost regardless of the price, but there are limits.

Actual text on the homepage was just the more reason not to cave in: "Know no FOMO! Order yours before it's too late."
Ugh.
Artificially limited availability with an artificially inflated pricepoint, they know it, we know it... no need to rub it in.

Don't forget that global crisis. 'Spend money you should be saving for food and emergencies on the promise of future toys!'
This really takes scummy behavior to a new level. The gift vouchers were bad enough, but this is outright predatory.

Yeah, predators always give you a choice to avoid situations, like the essential life-saving purchasing of shaped plastic....


All these reveals are amazing, great stuff. I particularly like the Inquisitor, shes pretty epic. Hopefully we will see more Inquisition based stuff in the near future

Voss wrote:

This really takes scummy behavior to a new level. The gift vouchers were bad enough, but this is outright predatory.

Lol. Gift vouchers scummy/bad? Shows you have no idea what scummy means. It's not like you even have to buy.

But i guess i'm not surprised since so many complain about getting discount options(and only legal discount for fw at that). Lol. Guess you would prefer them to hike prices up. Discount bad so logically thus you think price hike is good.

Do we think the end of Blackstone Fortress means they might repurpose some models into either a proper traitor legion or inquisitor/ rogue trader warband for 40k. The big finale reveal at the end sounds like a lead in story. Either to a new skirmish game or 40k codex.

gungo wrote:
Do we think the end of Blackstone Fortress means they might repurpose some models into either a proper traitor legion or inquisitor/ rogue trader warband for 40k.

Let's hope so!

gungo wrote:
Do we think the end of Blackstone Fortress means they might repurpose some models into either a proper traitor legion or inquisitor/ rogue trader warband for 40k. The big finale reveal at the end sounds like a lead in story. Either to a new skirmish game or 40k codex.

Considering literally there is a whole traitor guard line in there, (with some obvious filler needed, cough heavy weapons cough) i guess could very well happen.

Szera look genuinely alien and is such a mastercraft. If the necrons could have more design like those it would be my favorite range. Right now he is probably my favorite model.
Even more than Sault removed - please do not circumvent the language filter Tarvitz who is finally here !
Another great preview by GW

tneva82 wrote:

Voss wrote:

This really takes scummy behavior to a new level. The gift vouchers were bad enough, but this is outright predatory.

Lol. Gift vouchers scummy/bad? Shows you have no idea what scummy means. It's not like you even have to buy..

Its a psychological tactic that takes advantage of people with impulse control problems (which includes many people here). Yes, it is scummy to encourage people to spend money on literally nothing for an unknown period of time when they have little to no income for an indefinite period. Needs first, luxuries second.

Openly declaring 'Fear of Missing Out' and 'limited time only' means they're doubling down on trying to take advantage of people in a time of uncertainty.

Not Online!!! wrote:

gungo wrote:
Do we think the end of Blackstone Fortress means they might repurpose some models into either a proper traitor legion or inquisitor/ rogue trader warband for 40k. The big finale reveal at the end sounds like a lead in story. Either to a new skirmish game or 40k codex.

Considering literally there is a whole traitor guard line in there, (with some obvious filler needed, cough heavy weapons cough) i guess could very well happen.

Yes, please gw, give us some new good rules for R&H. It'll give me an excuse to buy that baneblade kit I've been eyeing. It would look great next to those awesome new traitor guardsmen.

Voss wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Voss wrote:

This really takes scummy behavior to a new level. The gift vouchers were bad enough, but this is outright predatory.

Lol. Gift vouchers scummy/bad? Shows you have no idea what scummy means. It's not like you even have to buy..

Its a psychological tactic that takes advantage of people with impulse control problems (which includes many people here). Yes, it is scummy to encourage people to spend money on literally nothing for an unknown period of time when they have little to no income for an indefinite period. Needs first, luxuries second.

Openly declaring 'Fear of Missing Out' and 'limited time only' means they're doubling down on trying to take advantage of people in a time of uncertainty.

It's not GW issue if people buy its products. Control yourself, it's up to every human being to be self responsible and no company can take responsibility for this.
I hate this age of victimization and irresponsibility.

Voss wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Voss wrote:

This really takes scummy behavior to a new level. The gift vouchers were bad enough, but this is outright predatory.

Lol. Gift vouchers scummy/bad? Shows you have no idea what scummy means. It's not like you even have to buy..

Its a psychological tactic that takes advantage of people with impulse control problems (which includes many people here). Yes, it is scummy to encourage people to spend money on literally nothing for an unknown period of time when they have little to no income for an indefinite period. Needs first, luxuries second.

Openly declaring 'Fear of Missing Out' and 'limited time only' means they're doubling down on trying to take advantage of people in a time of uncertainty.

Then use self control.
If you can not control that then plastic models may be the least of your worries.

Also, keep in mind that not everyone has instantly become broke.

Any form of sale is designed to incentivise buying.
All companies do this, it really is nothing new.
My local shop has added deals to all items, they are not scummy, they are doing what shops do.


Also, you don’t need a crisis to try and push your point.
Many are financially unstable and have impulse issues from day to day.
So all your doing here is forging a narrative using a current crisis to bash a company for doing what it does normally.

Sweet! I want to put a snotting and a giant side by side for size comparison NOW!

Lovely models... the Necron is wow!

Voss wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Voss wrote:

This really takes scummy behavior to a new level. The gift vouchers were bad enough, but this is outright predatory.

Lol. Gift vouchers scummy/bad? Shows you have no idea what scummy means. It's not like you even have to buy..

Its a psychological tactic that takes advantage of people with impulse control problems (which includes many people here). Yes, it is scummy to encourage people to spend money on literally nothing for an unknown period of time when they have little to no income for an indefinite period. Needs first, luxuries second.

Openly declaring 'Fear of Missing Out' and 'limited time only' means they're doubling down on trying to take advantage of people in a time of uncertainty.

Lol. Just sticking to miniature gaming, entire companies like Cool Mini have been build on the "get dat limited thing now!!!!".

And heading over to BoLS or Facebook or so, I wouldn't be able to read 2 paragraphs without at least 5 pop-ups trying to get me on some limited-time, super-exclusive deal for my mobile phone internet or whatever, or even some dumb "exclusive" skins for whatever computer game is hot now, or whatever.

Yes, it's a known marketing trick, but hardly unique to GW. And if you're in some serious financial problems and possibly out of a job to the point that 60 bucks will break you, you probably shouldn't be browsing GW social media (or any other toy companies offerings, Kickstarter, whatever), whether they offer limited stuff or not. A given.

Decent preview all round. The Necron model looks exceptional.

Voss wrote:
Openly declaring 'Fear of Missing Out' and 'limited time only' means they're doubling down on trying to take advantage of people in a time of uncertainty.

You're not wrong. I have no problem with them selling vouchers for models with an unknown release date, I have no problem with them doing limited editions, but it's pretty lousy of them to do both together at this specific time. Yes, ultimately consumers vote with their wallets, but it's still OK to recognize a scuzzy business practice when we see it.

That's before we get started on $10 shipping for a single $35 mini. The $35 for a single mini is already pretty outlandish, but the 30% shipping fee for a 1 inch model is downright insulting.

The new Sister looks amazing. Szeras looks wild, but I hate the human on the base and would like to see what it looked like if you removed the human and weird magic effects, which I do not like, from it. This is not specific to Szeras, I don't like any kind of diorama type effect like that. Look at me, I'm Szeras, fighting Tyranids on the tabletop, but I also drag this human around with me everywhere I go!

The terminator chaplain looks quite mediocre and is, imo, one of the worst sculpts they have turned out in a long time. His proportions seem totally off (his entire armored waist appears to be the nearly same diameter as his unarmored head). His arms also seem a little too big - it's like the top half and bottom half aren't the same scale.

GW needs cashflow. Why is this difficult to understand or seen as predatory or scummy behaviour?

People really need to get perspective and stop trying to pass their lack of self control off as unethical business practices.

Just like it's not Cadbury's fault if you're fat, it's not a plastic miniatures company's fault if you don't have money to spare.

Take personal responsibility and exhibit self control.

In the meantime, I'll preorder a mini that I want and not feel like I'm being exploited by evil corporations, but rather a company with staff and overheads that it needs to pay, and that currently has little income, who's product I'm willing to pay for in advance.

Jackal90 wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
I wish. They cost 30€ each on the EU store.

Plus another tenner for shipping. And with the webstore effectively closed, getting over the free shipping threshold requires buying.. another one? Or the marine? That's it I think.

Had no intention of resisting purchasing one more Sister almost regardless of the price, but there are limits.

Actual text on the homepage was just the more reason not to cave in: "Know no FOMO! Order yours before it's too late."
Ugh.
Artificially limited availability with an artificially inflated pricepoint, they know it, we know it... no need to rub it in.

Don't forget that global crisis. 'Spend money you should be saving for food and emergencies on the promise of future toys!'
This really takes scummy behavior to a new level. The gift vouchers were bad enough, but this is outright predatory.

Also, check back at previous limited run models, they range between £20-£25.
So these are actually in the middle.

So no, they haven’t hiked up the price to rip people off (they are still not cheap to be fair)
It’s more that people choose to “forget” details that counter their cries.

Is there somewhere to check the previous limited models and their prices? I might just have forgotten some but the ones I can remember from recently were £20 - Grombrindal at Christmas and the Primaris Lieutenant from just earlier this month. What was the last one that was above that price?

 godardc wrote:

Voss wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Voss wrote:

This really takes scummy behavior to a new level. The gift vouchers were bad enough, but this is outright predatory.

Lol. Gift vouchers scummy/bad? Shows you have no idea what scummy means. It's not like you even have to buy..

Its a psychological tactic that takes advantage of people with impulse control problems (which includes many people here). Yes, it is scummy to encourage people to spend money on literally nothing for an unknown period of time when they have little to no income for an indefinite period. Needs first, luxuries second.

Openly declaring 'Fear of Missing Out' and 'limited time only' means they're doubling down on trying to take advantage of people in a time of uncertainty.

It's not GW issue if people buy its products. Control yourself, it's up to every human being to be self responsible and no company can take responsibility for this.
I hate this age of victimization and irresponsibility.

To be fair, we are also in the Information Age , when businesses regularly use psychology against their customers. GW clearly knows they are doing this, as they are telling us this. It’s still douchy even if it’s not quite predatory. Even for the more obsessive people who don’t give in, it’s got to leave a bitter taste seeing the company one feels like they supported loyally rubbing in their faces what they are missing out on.

I’ll put it like this: I have never been addicted to gambling or even enjoyed it. I have a friend who often gets carried away, but push comes to shove he can walk away. I have another friend who became addicted to gambling and lost her house and almost her marriage. For me personally, I’d be upset if I saw a casino trying to wrangle customers with FOMO and other manipulative marketing practices because I know how it would bother one friend and ruin another. I personally find the SOB minis more of a temptation than gambling ever was. While I’m not exactly wrestling for self-control, I can understand that people who might be exist, and have a lot of sympathy for them.

Holy crap, $35 + $10 for a single 28mm plastic model...

How are people defending this like poor GW needs cashflow when FLGS needed the cash flow yesterday and can't even get in on this?

Have fun supporting that price gouge because your not gonna have a place to play with it outside your basement...

 Red Corsair wrote:
Holy crap, $35 + $10 for a single 28mm plastic model...

How are people defending this like poor GW needs cashflow when FLGS needed the cash flow yesterday and can't even get in on this?

Have fun supporting that price gouge because your not gonna have a place to play with it outside your basement...

Most of the european scene is Club based as far as i know.

But yeah that price is perfectly nuts and in line with the new banshees, mekgunz and eliminators, aka complete nonsense

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
For me personally, I’d be upset if I saw a casino trying to wrangle customers with FOMO and other manipulative marketing practices

Every single casino does do this by offering free credits with their member cards and limited time sweepstakes. You literally described the tactics they use to get new gamblers on their floors.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Holy crap, $35 + $10 for a single 28mm plastic model...

How are people defending this like poor GW needs cashflow when FLGS needed the cash flow yesterday and can't even get in on this?

Have fun supporting that price gouge because your not gonna have a place to play with it outside your basement...

Most of the european scene is Club based as far as i know.

But yeah that price is perfectly nuts and in line with the new banshees, mekgunz and eliminators, aka complete nonsense

In the States and Canada it's mostly FLGS. They are hurting immensely now and like other businesses are doing roadside order pickups where they are able, but it's like a band-aid on a hemorrhage. So much for in this together because folks are going to want to spend over the threshold due to that shipping gouge, which means they miss out on a lot here.

 Red Corsair wrote:
Holy crap, $35 + $10 for a single 28mm plastic model...

How are people defending this like poor GW needs cashflow when FLGS needed the cash flow yesterday and can't even get in on this?

Have fun supporting that price gouge because your not gonna have a place to play with it outside your basement...

Got two of the sister. Nothing else of note to spend on right now so, moan harder i guess?

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Holy crap, $35 + $10 for a single 28mm plastic model...

How are people defending this like poor GW needs cashflow when FLGS needed the cash flow yesterday and can't even get in on this?

Have fun supporting that price gouge because your not gonna have a place to play with it outside your basement...

Got two of the sister. Nothing else of note to spend on right now so, moan harder i guess?

Unnecesary atack and he has a point.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
For me personally, I’d be upset if I saw a casino trying to wrangle customers with FOMO and other manipulative marketing practices

Every single casino does do this by offering free credits with their member cards and limited time sweepstakes. You literally described the tactics they use to get new gamblers on their floors.

I did not know how aggressive they tend to be since local advertising for casinos seems legally(?) obligated not to mention gambling. And now I k know, I consider them scum. As for GW, I don’t consider them an honest business just trying to get by. My FLGS is in more dire straights and has somehow refrained from using any scummy tactics to manipulate customers towards ill-considered purchases. To me it just makes GW look tone deaf at best.

Eh GW is doing nothign different than the other miniature companies right now. LOADS of them are making event exclusive models available right now; whilst a good number are also running discounts. The only real difference being many of them are still operational whilst GW is out of operation. So GW is selling vouchers and a pair of models; many other companies are discounting and selling full inventories of stock with Corona sales and such.

I don't see why GW should be singled out for doing what basically the entire market they are in is doing in various forms; especially when its very clear (esp from people overspending insane amounts on ebay for paint) that there IS a market who still have money who want to spend and are trapped at home with nothing better to do.



By all means dislike the price (though that is kind of a repeat argument now); but the practice right now from GW is very tame compared to what they could be doing (loads and loads of pre-orders). Furthermore they are not doing anything that other companies in the same market are not doing - so if you want to attack GW you've also got to have a got at everyone else. Heck even Kickstarters are still running

This thread... seriously...

Limited edition models aren’t a new thing.

Their obscene pricing isn’t a new thing.

Their availability this way is better than only being able to buy at a con. Neither is ideal, but see point 1.

You don’t have to buy them unless you want to.

The world being on fire right now is not GW’s fault.

I’m really not sure what all the whining is about. The Sister looks fantastic and that Terminator is still a horrible sculpt. Buy them if you want them and can afford them. If not or you can’t afford them just now, don’t. Neither is army-breaking if you don’t have it (one’s a generic trooper, the other isn’t Primaris so not even very current). Sorry if this isn’t sensational or edgy enough a take, but honestly, dial it down peeps.

The stuff previewed today looks cool. That Necron is immense, very very cool, and the Inquisitor is kinda RT-throwback in some fun ways whilst being new. This seems to take us up to end of PA, so roll on May’s preview and we may get glimpses of the next phase of 40K...

I guess things are different in the states, but in Europe your first bet being free for any online gambling is standard practice. They don't do that out of the goodness of their hearts. That is unrelated though, because gambling companies and casinos are notoriously unscrupulous and not comparable to a normal store chain.

GW is bleeding cash. If they're anything like the business I work for, which is one of the largest medical device companies in the world, they're walking on a tightrope right now. After the first week we closed our doors, although only temporarily, we had to let people go, and the rest of us are taking a 20% pay cut for the foreseeable future so that we can protect our jobs.

GW would be much smaller scale, but undoubtedly still have huge issues with cashflow as they're retaining staff and shops and factories while this all goes on. They don't have an infinite reserve of cash in a rainy day fund, and although they're more secure than most because they own their own premises, they're still trying to protect the business and jobs within in. They're also probably incredibly aware of all the long term job losses globally which will mean recovery for a luxury good will be slow.

It sucks that local stores and FLGs are struggling right now, but it doesn't make any sense to me to begrudge a company leveraging one of its few remaining income streams during an unprecedented global pandemic. And as far as nefarious business practices go, offering something to the market than some people can't afford is pretty damn low on the list.

There's nothing tone deaf or malicious about what they're doing. They're releasing limited edition models as preorders. That's it. They've always had limited edition models and event exclusives, and for me, who can't get to Adepticon, and who's "local GW" is 3 hours away, I'm quite happy that I can now buy these without having to invest in a plane ticket or get gouged by the "community" on eBay.

So I am glad I've waited for AoS. The gargants seem like the perfect army for me. Very low model count, means much more likely I'll actually paint. Big models are easier for me to paint as well, and the aesthetic is right on point. They don't look goofy, I'm really, really impressed!

Sigh...once again, vote with your wallet. GW has been going above and beyond for their employees during this time. If they raise a limited edition figure to $35 (btw, that’s what we pay for heroes from Malign Portents for AoS) to offset some of what they’re doing for employees during this time, so what? You aren’t entitled to the mini. You can show your support and get it or decide the slightly raised cost isn’t for you.

It’s like the whole paint cost debacle all over again. They have higher costs on their paints than their competition, but they also have different consistencies, “free” painting channels (the paint sales likely help pay for this, you know), and apps to help you paint the way they do.

I used to rail against GW when Wells was in charge. Since Rountree came in...I’ve seen a new side of GW and I’ve understood some of their costs. Not everything mind you, but limited edition figures and paints? Totally get it.

However, seeing somebody actually get pissed that they offer a free 10£ coupon for every 100£ you spend? GW is giving you bonus bucks!! How is that ever a bad thing?! The level of selfishness in this thread is beyond asinine.

TFW a $35 single mini with a 30% shipping cost is considered asinine, selfish whining. And one of them is a hideous sculpt, to boot!

Well, glad you guys see a good value, have fun.

Anyone have any idea what's on Saul's leg? He has a big black cylinder thing on his right side. It can't be a sheath

 Ouze wrote:
TFW a $35 single mini with a 30% shipping cost is considered asinine, selfish whining. And one of them is a hideous sculpt, to boot!

Well, glad you guys see a good value, have fun.

I agree that Terminator is pretty bad. Still the sister is gorgeous so I had to buy her. $35 seems pretty steep for a single mini, but is it really? That's what 2-3 hours of work to pay for it, for an hour or two of enjoyment painting it. Followed by years or use in the army or enjoyment in your collection. For me it was the obscene shipping that shocked me. But you can avoid that by having it shipped to the local GW store.

Really interesting to see that it's people based in US who are complaining about the business practice and FOMO, whereas Europeans are saying "what's the problem"?

I'm in with the euros here though, you seriously do not have to buy this, why are you concerned? If you cannot restrain, by all means, please get help.

Character models and individuals are these prices....the new marine models $40 each, The new cannoness is $35, Eisenhorn (resin!) is $35, Greyfax luckily only $30, generic terminator librarian $31 (what a weird price point), etc, etc.

This is the price of these models, your choice to buy or not. I personally think it's a little insane, and so usually refrain (as I will with these 2), but not always. The sister is an amazing sculpt, but in the end it's just nothing special model wise and so I will pass. When that Inquisitor comes out and is $35, I will buy. Choices.

Mostly, just be an adult.

OK, folks, let's leave the casino discussion there please.

What interests me is that we've got Daughters of Khaine in Underworlds and Warcry being released quite close together. I wonder if DoK are going to get a 2.5 style update with a bunch of other models. Right now they are perhaps one of the smallest ranges of models in the game. Especially when you consider that their leaders are either Morathi or the Cauldron kit; whilst most of their troops are split into two different warscrolls - whilst for many other more recent AoS armies similar models have only had differences in weapon options.

Eg Khinerai are basically spears or hand scythes which in most other armies is just a weapon option not two different unit warscrolls.


Though that DoK has been able to boost its number of warscrolls without actually needing many models themselves. They'd be a fantastic faction to see GW expand on and grow.

That new sister is an amazing model. I don't mind pre-ordering that at all.

I like the Inquisitor and the Khainites too.

Warhammer Quest feels like it goes out with a whimper a bit, even if the drones are nice enough.

 Sersi wrote:
For me it was the obscene shipping that shocked me. But you can avoid that by having it shipped to the local GW store.

Yeah. it's probably a weird hill to die on, but the $35 for a single mini is only 20% of my annoyance, GWS has been a ripoff pricewise since they started ramping up price in... what, 2010-12 or so?

it's 80% the 10 bucks shipping for a $35 mini. For that markup, it could at least be free shipping.

I do not have a local GWS, so it's ship, or not get.

 Oguhmek wrote:
Lovely miniatures, all of them. Amazing stuff.

Love the Szeras model, looks really alien and weird.

The rules though, a 9" 1/6 perils bubble? Really? That's never going to do anything. Ugh, what's up with all the gak Xenos rules lately? Used up all the good stuff for Marines?

I don't know if I would dismiss it out of hand, we don't have any context. 9" is short range but there isn't a limit of how often it goes off, so the right person in the wrong place can do some work with it. Also they hint about combos

a taste of what the Necrons have in store for those who would tap into the warp, perhaps

 Ouze wrote:

 Sersi wrote:
For me it was the obscene shipping that shocked me. But you can avoid that by having it shipped to the local GW store.

Yeah. it's probably a weird hill to die on, but the $35 for a single mini is only 20% of my annoyance, GWS has been a ripoff pricewise since they started ramping up price in... what, 2010-12 or so?

it's 80% the 10 bucks shipping for a $35 mini. For that markup, it could at least be free shipping.

I do not have a local GWS, so it's ship, or not get.

Simply buy 2 or the sister and the terminator libby (and then shipping is free). Sell second one online and recover losses

 bullyboy wrote:
Simply buy 2 or the sister and the terminator libby (and then shipping is free). Sell second one online and recover losses

Yeah, that's what I did. (edit: 2 of the sister, not that atrocious libby.)

The new characters are mostly cool, but holy crap are they pricey. I like the sister, not so much the Terminator Librarian. For the love of god and all that is holy, I wish GW would stop modeling them without helmets, this dude looks like he's stuck on the can trying to squint a grunt and got constipated halfway through. More to the point he mostly just looks like a minor repose of the existing Termi Libby they put out twelve years ago with chunkier embellishments to avoid undercuts that don't work nicely in plastic.

I do like the shuriken wielding Inquisitor however, that's a cool throwback vibe we haven't seen out of GW in decades. That's an awesome concept.

The necron character is neat, but I would never want to buy and paint it.

 Grimgold wrote:

 Oguhmek wrote:
Lovely miniatures, all of them. Amazing stuff.

Love the Szeras model, looks really alien and weird.

The rules though, a 9" 1/6 perils bubble? Really? That's never going to do anything. Ugh, what's up with all the gak Xenos rules lately? Used up all the good stuff for Marines?

I don't know if I would dismiss it out of hand, we don't have any context. 9" is short range but there isn't a limit of how often it goes off, so the right person in the wrong place can do some work with it. Also they hint about combos

a taste of what the Necrons have in store for those who would tap into the warp, perhaps

I think it's safe to say it's bad. Like how many psychic powers do you need to be that close to get off? And if you have psykers with 9" of your characters as a necron player, things have already gone badly wrong. Hopefully the rest of his rules are decent and he's cheap. The model is stunning, but that rule has already filled me with dread for the Necron stuff in PA.

I remember a time when people didn't gripe about the prices of GW minis.

No, wait, that's wrong. People have always done it. Thanks for keeping that arm of the hobby strong, people!

 Lorek wrote:
I remember a time when people didn't gripe about the prices of GW minis.

No, wait, that's wrong. People have always done it. Thanks for keeping that arm of the hobby strong, people!

I remember when GW's minis were reasonably priced and the griping was totally unjustifiable.

Oh no wait, that pretty much never happened, people have almost always complained about GW's pricing because GW's pricing has almost always been varying degrees of ridiculous.


Sometimes the complaints are more reasonable than others, but the idea everyone should just shut up and enjoy their single bowl of gruel and be bloody thankful they get anything at all the ungrateful swine, or else not buy the thing at all and also just shut up, is nonsense. Quite apart from the fact that "voting with your wallet" is dumb unless you also indicate *why* you're voting one way or the other, the endless refrain that people shouldn't discuss something on a discussion forum is just bizarre, and coming from mods it's sheer farce.

If someone doesn't want to see critical points of view, they probably shouldn't be looking at places explicitly designed for people to share their points of view

But it's not really sparking discussion, is it? The same tired refrain, repeated over the past two decades, lends nothing to new conversation.

It's not new, it's not clever, it's definitely not a hot take, and generally creates a conversational quagmire.

Besides, we can't all be poor. Some of us can purchase what we feel like.

JohnnyHell wrote:
I’m really not sure what all the whining is about.

Odd. Your profile indicates you have over 6500 post, but this comment implies this is your first trip to DakkaDakka . . .

Yodhrin wrote:

 Lorek wrote:
I remember a time when people didn't gripe about the prices of GW minis.

No, wait, that's wrong. People have always done it. Thanks for keeping that arm of the hobby strong, people!

I remember when GW's minis were reasonably priced and the griping was totally unjustifiable.

Oh no wait, that pretty much never happened, people have almost always complained about GW's pricing because GW's pricing has almost always been varying degrees of ridiculous.

As the saying goes, vote with your wallet. If you find the price unreasonable, don't pay it.

 Yodhrin wrote:

Sometimes the complaints are more reasonable than others, but the idea everyone should just shut up and enjoy their single bowl of gruel and be bloody thankful they get anything at all the ungrateful swine, or else not buy the thing at all and also just shut up, is nonsense. Quite apart from the fact that "voting with your wallet" is dumb unless you also indicate *why* you're voting one way or the other, the endless refrain that people shouldn't discuss something on a discussion forum is just bizarre, and coming from mods it's sheer farce.

Do you honestly believe that after 30 years GW aren't fully aware that some people think their product is too expensive?

Is some exec going to bring a Dakka link into a board meeting and say 'Hey, guys... apparently, some people on the internet are unhappy with our prices! Why did nobody ever tell us??? We could have lowered the prices years ago, if only we'd known!


I mean, I've been guilty of complaining about prices from time to time in the past myself... but there comes a point where you just have to accept that GW's prices are high, have always been high, and will always be high, and it generally stops actually being particularly noteworthy.

 Lorek wrote:
But it's not really sparking discussion, is it? The same tired refrain, repeated over the past two decades, lends nothing to new conversation.

It's not new, it's not clever, it's definitely not a hot take, and generally creates a conversational quagmire.

Besides, we can't all be poor. Some of us can purchase what we feel like.

If you can’t scrape together $35, you have bigger problems, I’d think.

If you think it’s not worth $35, then congrats! You’ve made an economic decision.

If you just at whine about how expensive it is.... you’re just making noise.

That Terminator is awesome, and while I normally gripe about GW’s prices for HQ models, I don’t mind paying $35 for an exclusive I’d otherwise have to pay extra to get ahold of or wait for more unsavory sources to start carrying it. There’s no reason for that Terminator to be exclusive besides “Buy Primaris!” anyways.

I thought that SM Librarian was a previous model. Am I wrong?

 zend wrote:
That Terminator is awesome, and while I normally gripe about GW’s prices for HQ models, I don’t mind paying $35 for an exclusive I’d otherwise have to pay extra to get ahold of or wait for more unsavory sources to start carrying it. There’s no reason for that Terminator to be exclusive besides “Buy Primaris!” anyways.

It was designed as an event exclusive, and well, you know... probably no events until late summer, if then.

 insaniak wrote:

I mean, I've been guilty of complaining about prices from time to time in the past myself... but there comes a point where you just have to accept that GW's prices are high, have always been high, and will always be high, and it generally stops actually being particularly noteworthy.

I think it is reasonable to recognize that there are points when the temperature is cranked up so fast that even the frogs in the boiling water notice and croak if not jump out. I don't think this particular SOB is one personally have been ridiculous all edition and that this is just a continuation or at worst a slight incremental bump from the $35 Sister Novena of 2019. For a while things were getting better with large boxed sets offering good value in the post-Kirby era like the HH boxed sets but we seem to be returning to the more detestable previous pricing model of recent. YMMV.

If there are people willing to pay $35 for Malibu Stacey with a blue hat, GW is smart to sell them.

Make as much as you can off big spenders.

 Polonius wrote:

 Lorek wrote:
But it's not really sparking discussion, is it? The same tired refrain, repeated over the past two decades, lends nothing to new conversation.

It's not new, it's not clever, it's definitely not a hot take, and generally creates a conversational quagmire.

Besides, we can't all be poor. Some of us can purchase what we feel like.

If you can’t scrape together $35, you have bigger problems, I’d think.

If you think it’s not worth $35, then congrats! You’ve made an economic decision.

If you just at whine about how expensive it is.... you’re just making noise.

Truer words have never been spoken...

 Breotan wrote:
I thought that SM Librarian was a previous model. Am I wrong?

It was originally shown a while back, yes. I don't think it's been actually available, though.

Yeah, I don’t think it was ever released at WHW. I at least haven’t seen evidence, no ones posted unboxing/builds/paint jobs of it anywhere nor have other sources gotten ahold of it.

I think I’ll survive paying GW’s HQ unit tax for once. I mean, I did just get a Kytan for 60% off and the Prophecy of the Wolf box for $135.... the savings definitely offset the tax on the Terminator.

 insaniak wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
I thought that SM Librarian was a previous model. Am I wrong?

It was originally shown a while back, yes. I don't think it's been actually available, though

Oh. I was thinking of this guy.

I assume someone at Nottingham was horrified by how proportional that model's top half was to its bottom half was and vowed to one day rectify those shortcomings.

 insaniak wrote:
I mean, I've been guilty of complaining about prices from time to time in the past myself... but there comes a point where you just have to accept that GW's prices are high, have always been high, and will always be high, and it generally stops actually being particularly noteworthy.

Accepting the absurd prices isn't the issue. It's the insane White Knighting from certain posters here who act as those everything is fine and nothing is broken.

I mean, come on:

Plastic Termy Libby - AUD$30:


Plastic Termy Libby - AUD$33:


... and this guy is AUD$60?

Something is broken.

 Red Corsair wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Holy crap, $35 + $10 for a single 28mm plastic model...

How are people defending this like poor GW needs cashflow when FLGS needed the cash flow yesterday and can't even get in on this?

Have fun supporting that price gouge because your not gonna have a place to play with it outside your basement...

Most of the european scene is Club based as far as i know.

But yeah that price is perfectly nuts and in line with the new banshees, mekgunz and eliminators, aka complete nonsense

In the States and Canada it's mostly FLGS. They are hurting immensely now and like other businesses are doing roadside order pickups where they are able, but it's like a band-aid on a hemorrhage. So much for in this together because folks are going to want to spend over the threshold due to that shipping gouge, which means they miss out on a lot here.

That's sad but it's the way it is. They're selling like this so that they can top the coffers up for their staff while operations are shut, they're looking after their own employees first and foremost which I can fully appreciate. They're too expensive for me personally so I haven't bought one.

This isn't an attack on flgs it's a big corporation trying to get through a tough time, offering something unique for its fans and looking after its staff. They have no way or obligation to do this sort of thing through a flgs, who would have to buy stock upfront when they're already struggling.

IanVanCheese wrote:

 Grimgold wrote:

 Oguhmek wrote:
Lovely miniatures, all of them. Amazing stuff.

Love the Szeras model, looks really alien and weird.

The rules though, a 9" 1/6 perils bubble? Really? That's never going to do anything. Ugh, what's up with all the gak Xenos rules lately? Used up all the good stuff for Marines?

I don't know if I would dismiss it out of hand, we don't have any context. 9" is short range but there isn't a limit of how often it goes off, so the right person in the wrong place can do some work with it. Also they hint about combos

a taste of what the Necrons have in store for those who would tap into the warp, perhaps

I think it's safe to say it's bad. Like how many psychic powers do you need to be that close to get off? And if you have psykers with 9" of your characters as a necron player, things have already gone badly wrong. Hopefully the rest of his rules are decent and he's cheap. The model is stunning, but that rule has already filled me with dread for the Necron stuff in PA.

Its not just bad, its useless. About 30/180 psychic powers are 9" or less. That 1/6. Add that to the 1/6 chance of rolling a double. And dont forget your opponent can command reroll. Its almost never ever going to be successful, maybe it will work in 1/100 games. I really hope pariah has better rules than this ability.

Never liked the Terminator Librarians since they came without the Helmet. Would get one but only with a helmet option and same goes for the Chaos Marine Sorcerer.

 Lorek wrote:
But it's not really sparking discussion, is it? The same tired refrain, repeated over the past two decades, lends nothing to new conversation.

It's not new, it's not clever, it's definitely not a hot take, and generally creates a conversational quagmire.

Besides, we can't all be poor. Some of us can purchase what we feel like.

It’s also arguably a topic for General not here.
(I know the price is part of the news, so yeah that’s fine for the info to be here,
but The is it worth it or not part - nothing to do with the preview, just GW general pricing..

Dudeface wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Holy crap, $35 + $10 for a single 28mm plastic model...

How are people defending this like poor GW needs cashflow when FLGS needed the cash flow yesterday and can't even get in on this?

Have fun supporting that price gouge because your not gonna have a place to play with it outside your basement...

Most of the european scene is Club based as far as i know.

But yeah that price is perfectly nuts and in line with the new banshees, mekgunz and eliminators, aka complete nonsense

In the States and Canada it's mostly FLGS. They are hurting immensely now and like other businesses are doing roadside order pickups where they are able, but it's like a band-aid on a hemorrhage. So much for in this together because folks are going to want to spend over the threshold due to that shipping gouge, which means they miss out on a lot here.

That's sad but it's the way it is. They're selling like this so that they can top the coffers up for their staff while operations are shut, they're looking after their own employees first and foremost which I can fully appreciate. They're too expensive for me personally so I haven't bought one.

This isn't an attack on flgs it's a big corporation trying to get through a tough time, offering something unique for its fans and looking after its staff. They have no way or obligation to do this sort of thing through a flgs, who would have to buy stock upfront when they're already struggling.

So wait, wait, wait, is the implication here that 2 made to order models for a grand total of 70$, are going to prop up GW's financials and/or doom FLGS's because they won't get a cut? Really? GW most likely spent more than what they'll make on BOTH of those models TOGETHER setting up the livestreams(wages, remote it, etc). It's not gonna make a damn bit of difference one way or the other.

And for red corsair, what exactly are they going to buy that gets them over the threshold besides either the OTHER model or a second one of the one they wanted? Because Epubs(which GW's epubs are awful and gift vouchers(which even with their 'bonus 5$' are still a way crappier deal than just 15% off at FLGSs) are literally the only things on the store right now. What sales are the FLGSs going to be missing out on because of this exactly?

I suspect that if people ever stopped complaining about GW prices, GW would take it as an indicator that they weren't raising their prices quickly enough...

So the new Scinari Cathallar looks like we finally got a plastic damsel for the bretonnians, right. She even has that bird bath sized chalice.
And with a new big friendly giant, the brets should be in great shape now.

Those giants are incredible, also.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
I mean, I've been guilty of complaining about prices from time to time in the past myself... but there comes a point where you just have to accept that GW's prices are high, have always been high, and will always be high, and it generally stops actually being particularly noteworthy.

Accepting the absurd prices isn't the issue. It's the insane White Knighting from certain posters here who act as those everything is fine and nothing is broken.

Sure. But there's also a difference between saying (a) GW is too pricey and saying (b) GW is predatory targeting vulnerable, psychically precarious people getting laid off due to Corona because miniatures (or any type of product) being marketed as "limited time only" hasn't ever existed before in the history of capitalism.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
I mean, I've been guilty of complaining about prices from time to time in the past myself... but there comes a point where you just have to accept that GW's prices are high, have always been high, and will always be high, and it generally stops actually being particularly noteworthy.

Accepting the absurd prices isn't the issue. It's the insane White Knighting from certain posters here who act as those everything is fine and nothing is broken.

Sure. But there's also a difference between saying (a) GW is too pricey and saying (b) GW is predatory targeting vulnerable, psychically precarious people getting laid off due to Corona because miniatures (or any type of product) being marketed as "limited time only" hasn't ever existed before in the history of capitalism.

I'd also say that the "GW is too pricey/has missmatched regional pricing" is honestly an argument that's been heard for so long that its just "noise" right now. For those who don't justify GW prices its just repeating what they've said before; for those who do justify the prices its just noise. The sad thing is its noise that can suddenly upturn a thread from "Oh lets chat about these cool new models" into pages of price arguments back and forth until a mod closes/pushes things along. It's a pattern that repeats over and over.

Also some people just want to come and share in the enjoyment of their hobby with others - when other keep arguing that the company/game is evil and nasty etc... then that's also impacting on people by association. That there's pushback is honestly no surprise.







ALSO now that GW has 1 Limited Edition Sister of Battle and 1 heroic champion model coming (with the comic) I wonder if GW is going to release more in the coming months. GW has clearly doubled down on making sisters a big interest point to help bolster sales after a gamble on a big relaunch of them. Though I'd like to think its also a start of GW seeing that focusing on other armies (like they do in Age of Sigmar) can result in increased sales in general so perhaps next years exclusive models might include a Tau or Eldar or gods forbid a unique Tyranid. Ergo focusing on things other than building the Primaris Lieutenants army

So GW is trying now their own Kickstarter via their own Website

everything else is nothing new
price is same as for other new plastic models and the advertising is also the same

you just need to be aware that GW is not the friendly gaming company selling fun games for kids, but a company selling collectors items to adults

therefore using "Casino methods" is not a problem (otherwise GW would be already banned in a lot of countries were using those kind of advertising for kids products is forbidden)

 p5freak wrote:
I think it's safe to say it's bad. Like how many psychic powers do you need to be that close to get off? And if you have psykers with 9" of your characters as a necron player, things have already gone badly wrong. Hopefully the rest of his rules are decent and he's cheap. The model is stunning, but that rule has already filled me with dread for the Necron stuff in PA.

Its not just bad, its useless. About 30/180 psychic powers are 9" or less. That 1/6. Add that to the 1/6 chance of rolling a double. And dont forget your opponent can command reroll. Its almost never ever going to be successful, maybe it will work in 1/100 games.

So speaking of prices... I wonder the price of the giant kit

Voss wrote:
Openly declaring 'Fear of Missing Out' and 'limited time only' means they're doubling down on trying to take advantage of people in a time of uncertainty.

Hello, earth calling Voss, earth calling Voss. That is standard phrases GW uses EVERY TIME THEY HAVE MTO!

Oh you expect them to do once in a time sale never to be repeated and you think they won't point it out? They use that even when new stuff comes actually back(like with space hulk) nevermind MTO which is once done and then no more.

It's standard MTO phrase. You have problem with that why raise it up now rather than first time MTO came out?

Bah. You just have zero clue what scummy and predatory practice is.

Voss wrote:

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
I wish. They cost 30€ each on the EU store.

Plus another tenner for shipping. And with the webstore effectively closed, getting over the free shipping threshold requires buying.. another one? Or the marine? That's it I think.

Had no intention of resisting purchasing one more Sister almost regardless of the price, but there are limits.

Actual text on the homepage was just the more reason not to cave in: "Know no FOMO! Order yours before it's too late."
Ugh.
Artificially limited availability with an artificially inflated pricepoint, they know it, we know it... no need to rub it in.

Don't forget that global crisis. 'Spend money you should be saving for food and emergencies on the promise of future toys!'
This really takes scummy behavior to a new level. The gift vouchers were bad enough, but this is outright predatory.

Umm? People are free to spend their money on what they wish. No one is forcing them to spend. And gw are free to advertise products how they like, they are a business after all.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
And gw are free to advertise products how they like, they are a business after all.

Literally aren't free to advertise however they want, and "They are a business after all" is almost never a validation for anything at all. Disclaimer - I'm not too fussed about how they sell their limited edition minis

This is the first preview that I was interested in any of their products. The snotlings are great! I'll grab them and add them into my ork scenery. I will grab one of the giants so soon as I see the price. It will hurt but should be a good base to a goblin army whatever they call them now.

The best part of these 2 models is that they would have been event exclusive had there not been a crisis.

So 90% of the people complaining about them wouldn’t have been able to get them anyway.
If they did, they would either have to attend or feed the scalpers (and ironically pay even more)

Moving forward, I’d love to see event minis available through the store.
Missed a ton of models because I refuse to pay scalper prices and I don’t plan on flying around the world for 1 model.

other companies already got their share of bad press after their "no one forces you to buy" reaction to bad timed advertising during the crisis

GW is just a niche hobby company, small enough to not cause troubles in the media with such stuff, for now
but this can change fast if they go further

JWBS wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
And gw are free to advertise products how they like, they are a business after all.

Literally aren't free to advertise however they want, and "They are a business after all" is almost never a validation for anything at all. Disclaimer - I'm not too fussed about how they sell their limited edition minis

Well I assumed that the 'within legal industry boundaries' wouldve been inferred from my statement.

Jackal90 wrote:
The best part of these 2 models is that they would have been event exclusive had there not been a crisis.

So 90% of the people complaining about them wouldn’t have been able to get them anyway.
If they did, they would either have to attend or feed the scalpers (and ironically pay even more)

Moving forward, I’d love to see event minis available through the store.
Missed a ton of models because I refuse to pay scalper prices and I don’t plan on flying around the world for 1 model.

Pretty much this.

Me, I welcome it as it’s let me Loot from the comfort of my own home. 10 of each model released are on order. Once I’ve got them, I’ll be making them available (possibly by ballot, depend on demand) on the Loot Group.

Except this time, I’ll remember to keep one each for myself!

Pointer5 wrote:
This is the first preview that I was interested in any of their products. The snotlings are great! I'll grab them and add them into my ork scenery. I will grab one of the giants so soon as I see the price. It will hurt but should be a good base to a goblin army whatever they call them now.

Just gonna say: the bases they are on in the video/preview images appear to be the standard 32 mm Blood Bowl bases, which would make them nearly the same size as AoS Grotz - Blood Bowl 2017 is noticeably scaled up vs. AoS or Oldhammer, or even older Blood Bowl.

Jackal90 wrote:
The best part of these 2 models is that they would have been event exclusive had there not been a crisis.

So 90% of the people complaining about them wouldn’t have been able to get them anyway.
If they did, they would either have to attend or feed the scalpers (and ironically pay even more)

Moving forward, I’d love to see event minis available through the store.
Missed a ton of models because I refuse to pay scalper prices and I don’t plan on flying around the world for 1 model.

That’s why I’m going in on that Terminator. I laughed at the Primaris MTO a couple weeks ago, but this is my best and cheapest shot at getting an exclusive model I’ve wanted for my Space Hulk collection since it was previewed. And again, I could wait for my usual channels to get it, but ive saved plenty of money elsewhere to offset paying full for this guy.

I wonder why they haven’t done other previously announced MTO? They postponed the Middle Earth MTO that was supposed to start the week they shut down, but I don’t see why they can’t take those orders too, except that these plastic models are already made whereas the metal MTO are cast once orders are in. I want those old metal Ents!

GaroRobe wrote:
Anyone have any idea what's on Saul's leg? He has a big black cylinder thing on his right side. It can't be a sheath

It's the barrel of his modified stalker-bolter, he's got a sniper rifle.

tneva82 wrote:

Voss wrote:
Openly declaring 'Fear of Missing Out' and 'limited time only' means they're doubling down on trying to take advantage of people in a time of uncertainty.

Hello, earth calling Voss, earth calling Voss. That is standard phrases GW uses EVERY TIME THEY HAVE MTO!

Oh you expect them to do once in a time sale never to be repeated and you think they won't point it out? They use that even when new stuff comes actually back(like with space hulk) nevermind MTO which is once done and then no more.

It's standard MTO phrase. You have problem with that why raise it up now rather than first time MTO came out?

Bah. You just have zero clue what scummy and predatory practice is.

Well, no, while phrasings along the lines of "Get it while you can!", "Available for a limited time only!" etcetera are quite normal and factually correct (even if the limitations in time or available stock are sometimes purely artificial), I don't think I have ever seen a company advertise a product with limited availability actually using the term "Fear of Missing Out", i.e. the acronym FOMO, like GW have here. While I found something about it somewhat distasteful at first, upon reflection it just seems an odd move, as it rather points out the imagined necessity of acquiring the products on offer and almost makes people reflect on perhaps reconsidering the reasons for purchasing.

Overall, I like that they made the "event" models available online, but feel this one is vastly overpriced*, so much so that I would struggle to justify it under normal circumstances, and even more so given the complete lack of other things available for purchase to get to free shipping. I am normally happy to pay shipping costs as it's obvioulsy not a free service, but would precisely for that reason normally buy in bulk so that shipping costs don't add another 33% on top of the already exorbitant pricepoint. The present options are to purchase a second stupidly overpriced model, or pay the shipping costs that increase the models cost by 33%. My nearest GW store is 539km away, and Virtual Gift vouchers or GW digital products are not eligible for free shipping (unsurprisingly).

*Although discussions concerning GW's prices may not be new, the level of overpricedness and people it concerns are constantly in motion. I've been playing GW games long enough to be accustomed to them (or so I thought), and I've played non-GW games long enough to know they can't really be justified, beyond the minimalist economical doctrine that they are that way because enough people are happy to pay them. I like the new Sisters of Battle. A lot. I bought Amalia Novena, for 25€. I bought the new plastic Canoness for just over 20€ (small discount plus advantageous exchange rate). This model is 20-40% more expensive than those; 60-80% more if including the inescapeable shipping costs. Plastic characters released a few years ago are still available for 12€ (they were marginally cheaper on release), now 25€-30€ is becoming the new norm. People have limits, and this limited edition Sister crosses mine.

IanVanCheese wrote:

 Grimgold wrote:

 Oguhmek wrote:
Lovely miniatures, all of them. Amazing stuff.

Love the Szeras model, looks really alien and weird.

The rules though, a 9" 1/6 perils bubble? Really? That's never going to do anything. Ugh, what's up with all the gak Xenos rules lately? Used up all the good stuff for Marines?

I don't know if I would dismiss it out of hand, we don't have any context. 9" is short range but there isn't a limit of how often it goes off, so the right person in the wrong place can do some work with it. Also they hint about combos

a taste of what the Necrons have in store for those who would tap into the warp, perhaps

I think it's safe to say it's bad. Like how many psychic powers do you need to be that close to get off? And if you have psykers with 9" of your characters as a necron player, things have already gone badly wrong. Hopefully the rest of his rules are decent and he's cheap. The model is stunning, but that rule has already filled me with dread for the Necron stuff in PA.

Still to early to tell, for instance what if that's one of the abilities he can grant to units of Immortals or warriors (which is not ruled out by the phrasing), as part of a replacement for his current enhancements. We simply don't know what we don't know, so there no use getting worked up over it.

He'll obviously have other abilities as well. How many special characters only have one?

It also ignores the possibility that Szeras wants to get in closer.

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Voss wrote:
Openly declaring 'Fear of Missing Out' and 'limited time only' means they're doubling down on trying to take advantage of people in a time of uncertainty.

Hello, earth calling Voss, earth calling Voss. That is standard phrases GW uses EVERY TIME THEY HAVE MTO!

Oh you expect them to do once in a time sale never to be repeated and you think they won't point it out? They use that even when new stuff comes actually back(like with space hulk) nevermind MTO which is once done and then no more.

It's standard MTO phrase. You have problem with that why raise it up now rather than first time MTO came out?

Bah. You just have zero clue what scummy and predatory practice is.

Well, no, while phrasings along the lines of "Get it while you can!", "Available for a limited time only!" etcetera are quite normal and factually correct (even if the limitations in time or available stock are sometimes purely artificial), I don't think I have ever seen a company advertise a product with limited availability actually using the term "Fear of Missing Out", i.e. the acronym FOMO, like GW have here. While I found something about it somewhat distasteful at first, upon reflection it just seems an odd move, as it rather points out the imagined necessity of acquiring the products on offer and almost makes people reflect on perhaps reconsidering the reasons for purchasing.

It's a pun, that's why they used it. Very few other companies have a prominent phrase associated with them that includes the word 'fear' in it.
It's a space marine, and not only available at Events so more widely available.

 Kanluwen wrote:
It also ignores the possibility that Szeras wants to get in closer.

True, we haven't seen his stats. He could be a melee monster. What were his old stats?

The most interesting part of Szeras was always his ability to "boost" a unit of warriors or immortals each turn. They'll certainly have fun with that in the newer variant too.

 Tastyfish wrote:

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Voss wrote:
Openly declaring 'Fear of Missing Out' and 'limited time only' means they're doubling down on trying to take advantage of people in a time of uncertainty.

Hello, earth calling Voss, earth calling Voss. That is standard phrases GW uses EVERY TIME THEY HAVE MTO!

Oh you expect them to do once in a time sale never to be repeated and you think they won't point it out? They use that even when new stuff comes actually back(like with space hulk) nevermind MTO which is once done and then no more.

It's standard MTO phrase. You have problem with that why raise it up now rather than first time MTO came out?

Bah. You just have zero clue what scummy and predatory practice is.

Well, no, while phrasings along the lines of "Get it while you can!", "Available for a limited time only!" etcetera are quite normal and factually correct (even if the limitations in time or available stock are sometimes purely artificial), I don't think I have ever seen a company advertise a product with limited availability actually using the term "Fear of Missing Out", i.e. the acronym FOMO, like GW have here. While I found something about it somewhat distasteful at first, upon reflection it just seems an odd move, as it rather points out the imagined necessity of acquiring the products on offer and almost makes people reflect on perhaps reconsidering the reasons for purchasing.

It's a pun, that's why they used it. Very few other companies have a prominent phrase associated with them that includes the word 'fear' in it.
It's a space marine, and not only available at Events so more widely available.

Exactly this. It’s just a play on ‘Know No Fear’.

Overread wrote:I'd also say that the "GW is too pricey/has missmatched regional pricing" is honestly an argument that's been heard for so long that its just "noise" right now. For those who don't justify GW prices its just repeating what they've said before; for those who do justify the prices its just noise. The sad thing is its noise that can suddenly upturn a thread from "Oh lets chat about these cool new models" into pages of price arguments back and forth until a mod closes/pushes things along. It's a pattern that repeats over and over.

Also some people just want to come and share in the enjoyment of their hobby with others - when other keep arguing that the company/game is evil and nasty etc... then that's also impacting on people by association.

There's really only like what, 3 things you can talk about when new models are released?* How cool the sculpt is, how good it is on the tabletop, and how the value is (either in terms of ability or price). In this case, you have a Librarian in Terminator Armor and a Sister of Battle. There is no real discussion to he had about rules or value for abilities because they are standard models. That leaves us how cool they are and value for price. I dunno why some of you guys are so adamant that discussion must be shut down on this latest abrupt hard crank in frog-boiling.

insaniak wrote:I mean, I've been guilty of complaining about prices from time to time in the past myself... but there comes a point where you just have to accept that GW's prices are high, have always been high, and will always be high, and it generally stops actually being particularly noteworthy.

This comes across as "screw you, I got mine". Doesn't anyone else get to complain about pricing ever again just because some of you have gotten tired of hearing about it?

Lorek wrote:But it's not really sparking discussion, is it? The same tired refrain, repeated over the past two decades, lends nothing to new conversation.

It's not new, it's not clever, it's definitely not a hot take, and generally creates a conversational quagmire.

Besides, we can't all be poor. Some of us can purchase what we feel like.

I mean, this last part was probably joking, but I feel like if I said this to someone, I might catch a rule 1 warning. Beyond that, the number of posts about the costs clearly have sparked a discussion, just not one you are interested in.

I get that people bitching about high prices gets tedious because you have heard it before, but I believe the refrain you usually use is "if you aren't interested in it, just scroll past it", no? I don't play anymore so I don't really have any interest in rules, but I sure don't try to keep people from talking about them either.


*I guess there is always "Why is X army getting updates when Y army has been neglected for Z long".

Think I might crack open some Necrons from my pile of shame and have a go at copying the Szeras colour scheme. Might even get a squad or two done by the time he's out.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Think I might crack open some Necrons from my pile of shame and have a go at copying the Szeras colour scheme. Might even get a squad or two done by the time he's out.

I think I'm probably likely to get a Szeras regardless of the parts I don't like because the model really is that good. The only concern I have is over his left arm one of his left arms, the one holding the viscera he is hoovering up - it looks from the pictures like it's pretty easy to remove the human, the gore cloud, and the stuff on the tip of his right hand one of his right hands, but I can't really see what the hand where it's all being fopcused to looks like.

Great color scheme too, as you say.

Want to recast the swirly stuff in clear resin and cover it in holographic paint.

Darsath wrote:
The most interesting part of Szeras was always his ability to "boost" a unit of warriors or immortals each turn. They'll certainly have fun with that in the newer variant too.

It was so interesting that you never saw szeras in a necron list.

 p5freak wrote:

Darsath wrote:
The most interesting part of Szeras was always his ability to "boost" a unit of warriors or immortals each turn. They'll certainly have fun with that in the newer variant too.

It was so interesting that you never saw szeras in a necron list.

Haha, true. Never said it was good though, just interesting as far as development goes.

 Ouze wrote:

insaniak wrote:I mean, I've been guilty of complaining about prices from time to time in the past myself... but there comes a point where you just have to accept that GW's prices are high, have always been high, and will always be high, and it generally stops actually being particularly noteworthy.

This comes across as "screw you, I got mine". Doesn't anyone else get to complain about pricing ever again just because some of you have gotten tired of hearing about it?

Sure, let's take the most confrontational interpretation of a comment in order to stir up an argument! That'll end well... My point was simply that people who have been in the hobby as long as I have really shouldn't still be surprised when a new GW model is expensive, and it seems a little ridiculous to keep complaining about it as if it's something new.

Love the sisters model. Snotlings sure. Pricing? Yeah... no. But cool pictures!

 jeff white wrote:
Love the sisters model. Snotlings sure. Pricing? Yeah... no. But cool pictures!

I’m assuming you mean pricing of the sister?
The snotlings are a plastic team, so should be exactly the same as every other team at £22.50.

Those giants are phenomenal. Not something I have any use for at all... but fantastic models.

Not a fan of the inclusion of Citadel Swirly Gak™ on Szeras, but aside from that (which would be easy to leave off) that's a very cool model.

Also nice to see a more Xenos-oriented Inquisitor. Awesome change from the usual Maleus focus.


And the painting on that Lumineth model... Crikey.

 insaniak wrote:
Those giants are phenomenal. Not something I have any use for at all... but fantastic models.

Not a fan of the inclusion of Citadel Swirly Gak™ on Szeras, but aside from that (which would be easy to leave off) that's a very cool model.

Also nice to see a more Xenos-oriented Inquisitor. Awesome change from the usual Maleus focus.


And the painting on that Lumineth model... Crikey.

Just the paint job and a few tiny angles and the Inquisitor has a real Dark Eldar vibe to the armor. As an oddball model, I like it better than the various Rogue Traders we have models for.

If Blackstone Fortress is going away, and Warcry is doing well, it would be cool to see a hybrid, with "gangs" of an Inquisitor and retinue competing to achieve their goals. ace them up against bands of cultists and xenos sympathizers.


We also have a plastic Hereticus Inquisitor in Greyfax, and Xenos with Danerys. Next up a Malleus inquisitor? In TDA?

More likely, we're going to see a new Age of Sigmar version of Warhammer Quest with the same treatments as Blackstone Fortress.

We . . . already have that, Kan. It's called "Warhammer Quest". They've actually released two versions: Silver Tower and Shadows over Hammerhal.

 EnTyme wrote:
We . . . already have that, Kan. It's called "Warhammer Quest". They've actually released two versions: Silver Tower and Shadows over Hammerhal.

One of which is OOP and the other of which has no story connection to the first campaign like the various BSF expansions, which is the actual part that Kan was referring to.

 EnTyme wrote:
We . . . already have that, Kan. It's called "Warhammer Quest". They've actually released two versions: Silver Tower and Shadows over Hammerhal.

Over the past year they have mentioned (but not elaborated or.given any detail on) new.developments in fantasy warhammerquest on the age of sigmar podcaster.

Saw this size comparison of the giants on reddit. Didn't realise how big Nagash was!

 Platuan4th wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
We . . . already have that, Kan. It's called "Warhammer Quest". They've actually released two versions: Silver Tower and Shadows over Hammerhal.

One of which is OOP and the other of which has no story connection to the first campaign like the various BSF expansions, which is the actual part that Kan was referring to.

"We need an Age of Sigmar adaptation of that 40k spinoff boardgame based on an Age of Sigmar spinoff boardgame" just seems like odd phrasing when I'm sure he just meant we should get a reprint of Shadows over Hammerhal and/or expansions. Also, there was a three-issue run in WD a couple years back that tied the story of Silver Tower into Shadows over Hammerhal.

 insaniak wrote:
Sure, let's take the most confrontational interpretation of a comment in order to stir up an argument! That'll end well... My point was simply that people who have been in the hobby as long as I have really shouldn't still be surprised when a new GW model is expensive, and it seems a little ridiculous to keep complaining about it as if it's something new.

I wasn't trying to stir up an argument, I'm trying to get you to see my point of view - that yes, GWS has always been expensive but that doesn't mean no one should ever be able to complain about prices ever again, even when they take sudden unprecedented jumps (like 30% shipping).

But I will move on since I do not appear to have been successful.

AoS Knights, how surprising...

 Kirasu wrote:
AoS Knights, how surprising...

I predict it will be approximately three minutes after their release that we see one converted into a 40K Chaos Knight.

"She is every bit the archetype of a Battle Sister, perfect for use in your army, perhaps as a Superior or a Celestian. She’s also festooned with holy detailing, making her an ideal painting project. "

Gw released a model without rules... Can it be... Are we finaly getting the "no model no rules" Bs mantra...

That inquisitor looks gob smackingly awesome. Might tip me into getting a small inquisition/IOM force on the go. I really dont like ugly ass bold head so I think an enforcer helmet would look awesome on her.

The giants.. Yeah I dig em. Im surprised and pleasantly disspointed they are not levitating ona rock and have Magical rock weapons. They would look great on a square base in a legasy WHFB battle IMO.

The pariah oooks really cool.

Quite pleasantly surprised by everything. Well done GW, some awesome looking minatures.

 EnTyme wrote:
We . . . already have that, Kan. It's called "Warhammer Quest". They've actually released two versions: Silver Tower and Shadows over Hammerhal.

Nah. AoS needs to get a dungeon crawling game with weirdly overpriced expansions.

 Argive wrote:
"She is every bit the archetype of a Battle Sister, perfect for use in your army, perhaps as a Superior or a Celestian. She’s also festooned with holy detailing, making her an ideal painting project. "

Gw released a model without rules... Can it be... Are we finaly getting the "no model no rules" Bs mantra...

Amalia Novena would like a word with you.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
We . . . already have that, Kan. It's called "Warhammer Quest". They've actually released two versions: Silver Tower and Shadows over Hammerhal.

Nah. AoS needs to get a dungeon crawling game with weirdly overpriced expansions.

And zoats. Gotta have zoats.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
We . . . already have that, Kan. It's called "Warhammer Quest". They've actually released two versions: Silver Tower and Shadows over Hammerhal.

Nah. AoS needs to get a dungeon crawling game with weirdly overpriced expansions.

And zoats. Gotta have zoats.

A pandemic came along to prevent people from getting one for 40k/BSF. Of course imagine what would have happened if we were a few weeks out from a release of squats or a plastic thunderhawk.

Hrm.

Wonder how much work it'd take to turn one of those AoS Gargants into a 40K Gargant...

Wakshaani wrote:
Hrm.

Wonder how much work it'd take to turn one of those AoS Gargants into a 40K Gargant...

Heeeere comes Leman Russ, finally!

Well with that GW's number of new factions for AoS since 40k's 8th edition dropped has risen to eight, on top of the steady flow of AoS compatible cool new minis from Shadespire and Warcry.

I mean this most sincerely: can we pleeeeaase swap development teams for a while? Pretty please?

What’s the number of dropped factions between the two games too though?


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Giant fighting a titan, cool diorama maybe..

They could do a box of two giants fighting like that knight box they did way back..

 Tastyfish wrote:
Saw this size comparison of the giants on reddit. Didn't realise how big Nagash was!

Nagash isn’t big; he’s tall due to floating on a column of Swirly Gak™
Though, given that the new Gargant is doubtless hollow, I’m not sure he actually has that much less plastic…

Wakshaani wrote:
Hrm.

Wonder how much work it'd take to turn one of those AoS Gargants into a 40K Gargant...

Gargants in 40k being big clanking ork walkers size of around warlord titans...Quite a lot ;-)


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Sterling191 wrote:

 Argive wrote:
"She is every bit the archetype of a Battle Sister, perfect for use in your army, perhaps as a Superior or a Celestian. She’s also festooned with holy detailing, making her an ideal painting project. "

Gw released a model without rules... Can it be... Are we finaly getting the "no model no rules" Bs mantra...

Amalia Novena would like a word with you.

Seeing both are just rank&file sisters...they already have rules. Your bog standard BSS or celestian squad.

 Argive wrote:
"She is every bit the archetype of a Battle Sister, perfect for use in your army, perhaps as a Superior or a Celestian. She’s also festooned with holy detailing, making her an ideal painting project. "

Gw released a model without rules... Can it be... Are we finaly getting the "no model no rules" Bs mantra...

There in fact are rules for a battle sister with a bolter...

Yeah two of those giants having a fistfight would be amazing. Not sure i have the space for that though ha.

tneva82 wrote:

Wakshaani wrote:
Hrm.

Wonder how much work it'd take to turn one of those AoS Gargants into a 40K Gargant...

Gargants in 40k being big clanking ork walkers size of around warlord titans...Quite a lot ;-)
.

True!

But never underestimate an Ork player's bitz box and the glory of "Counts-as".

Looted Gargant Gargant!

Danny76 wrote:
What’s the number of dropped factions between the two games too though?

Since the release of 40k 8E? Only Legion of the Damned comes to mind, and they barely counted as a faction.

tneva82 wrote:

Wakshaani wrote:
Hrm.

Wonder how much work it'd take to turn one of those AoS Gargants into a 40K Gargant...

Gargants in 40k being big clanking ork walkers size of around warlord titans...Quite a lot ;-)

Ork Gargants range in size - the Warlord equivalent was the Great Gargant, with the Mega-Gargant even larger than that, but they scaled down to the Mekboy Gargant and Slasha Gargant, which would be closer to a Warhound or Reaver in size.

These Giant Giants look to be too small to measure up to those two, though.

Looks like the Terminators Chaplain comes with a full sculpted base. That should fit nicely among Space Marine Heroes Series 2 Terminators.

 grouchoben wrote:
Well with that GW's number of new factions for AoS since 40k's 8th edition dropped has risen to eight, on top of the steady flow of AoS compatible cool new minis from Shadespire and Warcry.

I mean this most sincerely: can we pleeeeaase swap development teams for a while? Pretty please?

Start playing AoS? Its not just quantity you know, every AoS release is just awesome (as long as they stay away from the stormcast).

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
What’s the number of dropped factions between the two games too though?

Since the release of 40k 8E? Only Legion of the Damned comes to mind, and they barely counted as a faction.

Are we counting FW lists? Because that number would rise quite a bit.

I’d say FW isn’t relevant in the original point of GW making new factions for AoS but not for 40k.
But I guess it could be argued that way to make the point.

Lets not forget most of the AoS new factions have only got a handful of sculpts each - at best half to a quarter of what many 40K factions have.

Even Genestealer Cults have more than most AoS factions that were newly born from AoS itself.


Gw has gone wide with AoS, but I'm hoping that the rush of new armies is coming to an end sometime and then they can focus on bulking up the range of models for each army. Nice as it is to have such variety; its also good when you've got your army(ies) and want more options within what you've got.

 Dysartes wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Wakshaani wrote:
Hrm.

Wonder how much work it'd take to turn one of those AoS Gargants into a 40K Gargant...

Gargants in 40k being big clanking ork walkers size of around warlord titans...Quite a lot ;-)

Ork Gargants range in size - the Warlord equivalent was the Great Gargant, with the Mega-Gargant even larger than that, but they scaled down to the Mekboy Gargant and Slasha Gargant, which would be closer to a Warhound or Reaver in size.

These Giant Giants look to be too small to measure up to those two, though.

I never made the connection between giants in AOS having the same names as ork titans

I ordered the limited edition Terminator, I always wanted one!

I'm also really keen on the new inquisitor and Blackstone Fortress expansion! My girlfriend and I have been playing a lot of Blackstone, and we just beat the core game, we are both excited to continue with more adventures with our heros!

I would order the ltd edition terminator but he looks far too much like someone tried to get The Tick to wear armour. Maybe if he wasn’t so blue?

 Mr_Rose wrote:
I would order the ltd edition terminator but he looks far too much like someone tried to get The Tick to wear armour. Maybe if he wasn’t so blue?

Isn't just standard Librarian blue though? Most librarians (lore wise) are that blue which I believe is a slightly lighter shade to even the Ultramarine blue.

 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
I would order the ltd edition terminator but he looks far too much like someone tried to get The Tick to wear armour. Maybe if he wasn’t so blue?

Isn't just standard Librarian blue though? Most librarians (lore wise) are that blue which I believe is a slightly lighter shade to even the Ultramarine blue.

Usually it's Macragge Blue or darker, but GW is inconsistent on the actual shade of blue...

 Mr_Rose wrote:
I would order the ltd edition terminator but he looks far too much like someone tried to get The Tick to wear armour. Maybe if he wasn’t so blue?

It's a Terminator Librarian - Space Marine Librarians have been predominantly wearing blue armour for over 20 years. I can't recall seeing any typical chapters Librarians that weren't blue, even.

tneva82 wrote:

Wakshaani wrote:
Hrm.

Wonder how much work it'd take to turn one of those AoS Gargants into a 40K Gargant...

Gargants in 40k being big clanking ork walkers size of around warlord titans...Quite a lot ;-)


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Sterling191 wrote:

 Argive wrote:
"She is every bit the archetype of a Battle Sister, perfect for use in your army, perhaps as a Superior or a Celestian. She’s also festooned with holy detailing, making her an ideal painting project. "

Gw released a model without rules... Can it be... Are we finaly getting the "no model no rules" Bs mantra...

Amalia Novena would like a word with you.

Fair enough! I don't play sisters no do we have a sisters player in my area afaik. Assumed they were characters of some sort :p.


Seeing both are just rank&file sisters...they already have rules. Your bog standard BSS or celestian squad.

Crimson wrote:

 Argive wrote:
"She is every bit the archetype of a Battle Sister, perfect for use in your army, perhaps as a Superior or a Celestian. She’s also festooned with holy detailing, making her an ideal painting project. "

Gw released a model without rules... Can it be... Are we finaly getting the "no model no rules" Bs mantra...

There in fact are rules for a battle sister with a bolter...

 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
I would order the ltd edition terminator but he looks far too much like someone tried to get The Tick to wear armour. Maybe if he wasn’t so blue?

Isn't just standard Librarian blue though? Most librarians (lore wise) are that blue which I believe is a slightly lighter shade to even the Ultramarine blue.

True, but it’s really the combination of all the blue with that goofy screaming face. I can just hear him yelling “Spoon!”

GaroRobe wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Wakshaani wrote:
Hrm.

Wonder how much work it'd take to turn one of those AoS Gargants into a 40K Gargant...

Gargants in 40k being big clanking ork walkers size of around warlord titans...Quite a lot ;-)

Ork Gargants range in size - the Warlord equivalent was the Great Gargant, with the Mega-Gargant even larger than that, but they scaled down to the Mekboy Gargant and Slasha Gargant, which would be closer to a Warhound or Reaver in size.

These Giant Giants look to be too small to measure up to those two, though.

I never made the connection between giants in AOS having the same names as ork titans

I never saw the giants called "Gargants" before this or I would have started on it a long time ago!

But it should be doable to turn one into a 40K version for, say, the Snakebite clan. Whip up some kind of howdah/basket on the back to serve as the transport, strap some guns all over the place, leave the Thwappin' Stick for the melee option, probably get some armored plates to stick around... bit of work, but it should be good.

So the last two GW reveals had new plastic Sisters of Battle in them. Very much looking forward to the next one. MOAR PLASTIC SOB!!!

I'm really interested in the Khainite Shadowstalkers, mainly to see if there is anything that I can cannibalize for my Drukhari.

Is it just me or does Draxus look like a half eldar. It's been in the fluff since RG, but I'm loathe to see more space elves mixed in with my space knights.