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 Polonius wrote:

 Lorek wrote:
But it's not really sparking discussion, is it? The same tired refrain, repeated over the past two decades, lends nothing to new conversation.

It's not new, it's not clever, it's definitely not a hot take, and generally creates a conversational quagmire.

Besides, we can't all be poor. Some of us can purchase what we feel like.

If you can’t scrape together $35, you have bigger problems, I’d think.

If you think it’s not worth $35, then congrats! You’ve made an economic decision.

If you just at whine about how expensive it is.... you’re just making noise.

Truer words have never been spoken...

 Breotan wrote:
I thought that SM Librarian was a previous model. Am I wrong?

It was originally shown a while back, yes. I don't think it's been actually available, though.

Yeah, I don’t think it was ever released at WHW. I at least haven’t seen evidence, no ones posted unboxing/builds/paint jobs of it anywhere nor have other sources gotten ahold of it.

I think I’ll survive paying GW’s HQ unit tax for once. I mean, I did just get a Kytan for 60% off and the Prophecy of the Wolf box for $135.... the savings definitely offset the tax on the Terminator.

 insaniak wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
I thought that SM Librarian was a previous model. Am I wrong?

It was originally shown a while back, yes. I don't think it's been actually available, though

Oh. I was thinking of this guy.

I assume someone at Nottingham was horrified by how proportional that model's top half was to its bottom half was and vowed to one day rectify those shortcomings.

 insaniak wrote:
I mean, I've been guilty of complaining about prices from time to time in the past myself... but there comes a point where you just have to accept that GW's prices are high, have always been high, and will always be high, and it generally stops actually being particularly noteworthy.

Accepting the absurd prices isn't the issue. It's the insane White Knighting from certain posters here who act as those everything is fine and nothing is broken.

I mean, come on:

Plastic Termy Libby - AUD$30:


Plastic Termy Libby - AUD$33:


... and this guy is AUD$60?

Something is broken.

 Red Corsair wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Holy crap, $35 + $10 for a single 28mm plastic model...

How are people defending this like poor GW needs cashflow when FLGS needed the cash flow yesterday and can't even get in on this?

Have fun supporting that price gouge because your not gonna have a place to play with it outside your basement...

Most of the european scene is Club based as far as i know.

But yeah that price is perfectly nuts and in line with the new banshees, mekgunz and eliminators, aka complete nonsense

In the States and Canada it's mostly FLGS. They are hurting immensely now and like other businesses are doing roadside order pickups where they are able, but it's like a band-aid on a hemorrhage. So much for in this together because folks are going to want to spend over the threshold due to that shipping gouge, which means they miss out on a lot here.

That's sad but it's the way it is. They're selling like this so that they can top the coffers up for their staff while operations are shut, they're looking after their own employees first and foremost which I can fully appreciate. They're too expensive for me personally so I haven't bought one.

This isn't an attack on flgs it's a big corporation trying to get through a tough time, offering something unique for its fans and looking after its staff. They have no way or obligation to do this sort of thing through a flgs, who would have to buy stock upfront when they're already struggling.

IanVanCheese wrote:

 Grimgold wrote:

 Oguhmek wrote:
Lovely miniatures, all of them. Amazing stuff.

Love the Szeras model, looks really alien and weird.

The rules though, a 9" 1/6 perils bubble? Really? That's never going to do anything. Ugh, what's up with all the gak Xenos rules lately? Used up all the good stuff for Marines?

I don't know if I would dismiss it out of hand, we don't have any context. 9" is short range but there isn't a limit of how often it goes off, so the right person in the wrong place can do some work with it. Also they hint about combos

a taste of what the Necrons have in store for those who would tap into the warp, perhaps

I think it's safe to say it's bad. Like how many psychic powers do you need to be that close to get off? And if you have psykers with 9" of your characters as a necron player, things have already gone badly wrong. Hopefully the rest of his rules are decent and he's cheap. The model is stunning, but that rule has already filled me with dread for the Necron stuff in PA.

Its not just bad, its useless. About 30/180 psychic powers are 9" or less. That 1/6. Add that to the 1/6 chance of rolling a double. And dont forget your opponent can command reroll. Its almost never ever going to be successful, maybe it will work in 1/100 games. I really hope pariah has better rules than this ability.

Never liked the Terminator Librarians since they came without the Helmet. Would get one but only with a helmet option and same goes for the Chaos Marine Sorcerer.

 Lorek wrote:
But it's not really sparking discussion, is it? The same tired refrain, repeated over the past two decades, lends nothing to new conversation.

It's not new, it's not clever, it's definitely not a hot take, and generally creates a conversational quagmire.

Besides, we can't all be poor. Some of us can purchase what we feel like.

It’s also arguably a topic for General not here.
(I know the price is part of the news, so yeah that’s fine for the info to be here,
but The is it worth it or not part - nothing to do with the preview, just GW general pricing..

Dudeface wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Holy crap, $35 + $10 for a single 28mm plastic model...

How are people defending this like poor GW needs cashflow when FLGS needed the cash flow yesterday and can't even get in on this?

Have fun supporting that price gouge because your not gonna have a place to play with it outside your basement...

Most of the european scene is Club based as far as i know.

But yeah that price is perfectly nuts and in line with the new banshees, mekgunz and eliminators, aka complete nonsense

In the States and Canada it's mostly FLGS. They are hurting immensely now and like other businesses are doing roadside order pickups where they are able, but it's like a band-aid on a hemorrhage. So much for in this together because folks are going to want to spend over the threshold due to that shipping gouge, which means they miss out on a lot here.

That's sad but it's the way it is. They're selling like this so that they can top the coffers up for their staff while operations are shut, they're looking after their own employees first and foremost which I can fully appreciate. They're too expensive for me personally so I haven't bought one.

This isn't an attack on flgs it's a big corporation trying to get through a tough time, offering something unique for its fans and looking after its staff. They have no way or obligation to do this sort of thing through a flgs, who would have to buy stock upfront when they're already struggling.

So wait, wait, wait, is the implication here that 2 made to order models for a grand total of 70$, are going to prop up GW's financials and/or doom FLGS's because they won't get a cut? Really? GW most likely spent more than what they'll make on BOTH of those models TOGETHER setting up the livestreams(wages, remote it, etc). It's not gonna make a damn bit of difference one way or the other.

And for red corsair, what exactly are they going to buy that gets them over the threshold besides either the OTHER model or a second one of the one they wanted? Because Epubs(which GW's epubs are awful and gift vouchers(which even with their 'bonus 5$' are still a way crappier deal than just 15% off at FLGSs) are literally the only things on the store right now. What sales are the FLGSs going to be missing out on because of this exactly?

I suspect that if people ever stopped complaining about GW prices, GW would take it as an indicator that they weren't raising their prices quickly enough...

So the new Scinari Cathallar looks like we finally got a plastic damsel for the bretonnians, right. She even has that bird bath sized chalice.
And with a new big friendly giant, the brets should be in great shape now.

Those giants are incredible, also.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
I mean, I've been guilty of complaining about prices from time to time in the past myself... but there comes a point where you just have to accept that GW's prices are high, have always been high, and will always be high, and it generally stops actually being particularly noteworthy.

Accepting the absurd prices isn't the issue. It's the insane White Knighting from certain posters here who act as those everything is fine and nothing is broken.

Sure. But there's also a difference between saying (a) GW is too pricey and saying (b) GW is predatory targeting vulnerable, psychically precarious people getting laid off due to Corona because miniatures (or any type of product) being marketed as "limited time only" hasn't ever existed before in the history of capitalism.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
I mean, I've been guilty of complaining about prices from time to time in the past myself... but there comes a point where you just have to accept that GW's prices are high, have always been high, and will always be high, and it generally stops actually being particularly noteworthy.

Accepting the absurd prices isn't the issue. It's the insane White Knighting from certain posters here who act as those everything is fine and nothing is broken.

Sure. But there's also a difference between saying (a) GW is too pricey and saying (b) GW is predatory targeting vulnerable, psychically precarious people getting laid off due to Corona because miniatures (or any type of product) being marketed as "limited time only" hasn't ever existed before in the history of capitalism.

I'd also say that the "GW is too pricey/has missmatched regional pricing" is honestly an argument that's been heard for so long that its just "noise" right now. For those who don't justify GW prices its just repeating what they've said before; for those who do justify the prices its just noise. The sad thing is its noise that can suddenly upturn a thread from "Oh lets chat about these cool new models" into pages of price arguments back and forth until a mod closes/pushes things along. It's a pattern that repeats over and over.

Also some people just want to come and share in the enjoyment of their hobby with others - when other keep arguing that the company/game is evil and nasty etc... then that's also impacting on people by association. That there's pushback is honestly no surprise.







ALSO now that GW has 1 Limited Edition Sister of Battle and 1 heroic champion model coming (with the comic) I wonder if GW is going to release more in the coming months. GW has clearly doubled down on making sisters a big interest point to help bolster sales after a gamble on a big relaunch of them. Though I'd like to think its also a start of GW seeing that focusing on other armies (like they do in Age of Sigmar) can result in increased sales in general so perhaps next years exclusive models might include a Tau or Eldar or gods forbid a unique Tyranid. Ergo focusing on things other than building the Primaris Lieutenants army

So GW is trying now their own Kickstarter via their own Website

everything else is nothing new
price is same as for other new plastic models and the advertising is also the same

you just need to be aware that GW is not the friendly gaming company selling fun games for kids, but a company selling collectors items to adults

therefore using "Casino methods" is not a problem (otherwise GW would be already banned in a lot of countries were using those kind of advertising for kids products is forbidden)

 p5freak wrote:
I think it's safe to say it's bad. Like how many psychic powers do you need to be that close to get off? And if you have psykers with 9" of your characters as a necron player, things have already gone badly wrong. Hopefully the rest of his rules are decent and he's cheap. The model is stunning, but that rule has already filled me with dread for the Necron stuff in PA.

Its not just bad, its useless. About 30/180 psychic powers are 9" or less. That 1/6. Add that to the 1/6 chance of rolling a double. And dont forget your opponent can command reroll. Its almost never ever going to be successful, maybe it will work in 1/100 games.

So speaking of prices... I wonder the price of the giant kit

Voss wrote:
Openly declaring 'Fear of Missing Out' and 'limited time only' means they're doubling down on trying to take advantage of people in a time of uncertainty.

Hello, earth calling Voss, earth calling Voss. That is standard phrases GW uses EVERY TIME THEY HAVE MTO!

Oh you expect them to do once in a time sale never to be repeated and you think they won't point it out? They use that even when new stuff comes actually back(like with space hulk) nevermind MTO which is once done and then no more.

It's standard MTO phrase. You have problem with that why raise it up now rather than first time MTO came out?

Bah. You just have zero clue what scummy and predatory practice is.

Voss wrote:

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
I wish. They cost 30€ each on the EU store.

Plus another tenner for shipping. And with the webstore effectively closed, getting over the free shipping threshold requires buying.. another one? Or the marine? That's it I think.

Had no intention of resisting purchasing one more Sister almost regardless of the price, but there are limits.

Actual text on the homepage was just the more reason not to cave in: "Know no FOMO! Order yours before it's too late."
Ugh.
Artificially limited availability with an artificially inflated pricepoint, they know it, we know it... no need to rub it in.

Don't forget that global crisis. 'Spend money you should be saving for food and emergencies on the promise of future toys!'
This really takes scummy behavior to a new level. The gift vouchers were bad enough, but this is outright predatory.

Umm? People are free to spend their money on what they wish. No one is forcing them to spend. And gw are free to advertise products how they like, they are a business after all.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
And gw are free to advertise products how they like, they are a business after all.

Literally aren't free to advertise however they want, and "They are a business after all" is almost never a validation for anything at all. Disclaimer - I'm not too fussed about how they sell their limited edition minis

This is the first preview that I was interested in any of their products. The snotlings are great! I'll grab them and add them into my ork scenery. I will grab one of the giants so soon as I see the price. It will hurt but should be a good base to a goblin army whatever they call them now.

The best part of these 2 models is that they would have been event exclusive had there not been a crisis.

So 90% of the people complaining about them wouldn’t have been able to get them anyway.
If they did, they would either have to attend or feed the scalpers (and ironically pay even more)

Moving forward, I’d love to see event minis available through the store.
Missed a ton of models because I refuse to pay scalper prices and I don’t plan on flying around the world for 1 model.

other companies already got their share of bad press after their "no one forces you to buy" reaction to bad timed advertising during the crisis

GW is just a niche hobby company, small enough to not cause troubles in the media with such stuff, for now
but this can change fast if they go further

JWBS wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
And gw are free to advertise products how they like, they are a business after all.

Literally aren't free to advertise however they want, and "They are a business after all" is almost never a validation for anything at all. Disclaimer - I'm not too fussed about how they sell their limited edition minis

Well I assumed that the 'within legal industry boundaries' wouldve been inferred from my statement.

Jackal90 wrote:
The best part of these 2 models is that they would have been event exclusive had there not been a crisis.

So 90% of the people complaining about them wouldn’t have been able to get them anyway.
If they did, they would either have to attend or feed the scalpers (and ironically pay even more)

Moving forward, I’d love to see event minis available through the store.
Missed a ton of models because I refuse to pay scalper prices and I don’t plan on flying around the world for 1 model.

Pretty much this.

Me, I welcome it as it’s let me Loot from the comfort of my own home. 10 of each model released are on order. Once I’ve got them, I’ll be making them available (possibly by ballot, depend on demand) on the Loot Group.

Except this time, I’ll remember to keep one each for myself!

Pointer5 wrote:
This is the first preview that I was interested in any of their products. The snotlings are great! I'll grab them and add them into my ork scenery. I will grab one of the giants so soon as I see the price. It will hurt but should be a good base to a goblin army whatever they call them now.

Just gonna say: the bases they are on in the video/preview images appear to be the standard 32 mm Blood Bowl bases, which would make them nearly the same size as AoS Grotz - Blood Bowl 2017 is noticeably scaled up vs. AoS or Oldhammer, or even older Blood Bowl.

Jackal90 wrote:
The best part of these 2 models is that they would have been event exclusive had there not been a crisis.

So 90% of the people complaining about them wouldn’t have been able to get them anyway.
If they did, they would either have to attend or feed the scalpers (and ironically pay even more)

Moving forward, I’d love to see event minis available through the store.
Missed a ton of models because I refuse to pay scalper prices and I don’t plan on flying around the world for 1 model.

That’s why I’m going in on that Terminator. I laughed at the Primaris MTO a couple weeks ago, but this is my best and cheapest shot at getting an exclusive model I’ve wanted for my Space Hulk collection since it was previewed. And again, I could wait for my usual channels to get it, but ive saved plenty of money elsewhere to offset paying full for this guy.

I wonder why they haven’t done other previously announced MTO? They postponed the Middle Earth MTO that was supposed to start the week they shut down, but I don’t see why they can’t take those orders too, except that these plastic models are already made whereas the metal MTO are cast once orders are in. I want those old metal Ents!

GaroRobe wrote:
Anyone have any idea what's on Saul's leg? He has a big black cylinder thing on his right side. It can't be a sheath

It's the barrel of his modified stalker-bolter, he's got a sniper rifle.