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Lovely miniatures, all of them. Amazing stuff.

Love the Szeras model, looks really alien and weird.

The rules though, a 9" 1/6 perils bubble? Really? That's never going to do anything. Ugh, what's up with all the gak Xenos rules lately? Used up all the good stuff for Marines?

 Overread wrote:

Are you sure? Perhaps DE players with large legacy armies where both those models that were replaced were originally bought in metal; or with lucky (or hard work fix) finecast. However I know that Tyranid players and Eldar players would love (and do love) getting replacement plastics for current finecast models. Heck the Necron lord in the release event we just had is a replacement sculpt.

Given that Eldar already has an excellent selection of units, with the only real issue being large numbers of very dated models, it's hardly surprising that Eldar players are more interested in re-sculpts.

However, since DE has lost somewhere in the region of 66% of its HQ choices, I would far rather see them get sculpts for new units, rather than just new sculpts for what few models they have left. And it's not like the Incubi were even that old to begin with.

Can you guys take the DE chat to a dedicated thread? If they didn't preview them then it's not really pertinent to this thread.

Nice preview, sadly seems pointless given they extended the shut down to indefinitely.

 Oguhmek wrote:
Lovely miniatures, all of them. Amazing stuff.

Love the Szeras model, looks really alien and weird.

The rules though, a 9" 1/6 perils bubble? Really? That's never going to do anything. Ugh, what's up with all the gak Xenos rules lately? Used up all the good stuff for Marines?

The bubble does seem small but that’s a single rule in a vacuum.
Wouldn’t surprise me if there were ways of extending that bubble or even projecting it around certain friendly models etc.

Jackal90 wrote:

 Oguhmek wrote:
Lovely miniatures, all of them. Amazing stuff.

Love the Szeras model, looks really alien and weird.

The rules though, a 9" 1/6 perils bubble? Really? That's never going to do anything. Ugh, what's up with all the gak Xenos rules lately? Used up all the good stuff for Marines?

The bubble does seem small but that’s a single rule in a vacuum.
Wouldn’t surprise me if there were ways of extending that bubble or even projecting it around certain friendly models etc.

Well yes I hope so, Necrons have very little useful synergies today so I really hope they get some.

I got all excited when I saw Gargants, thought the Orks were coming to Titanicus! Was disappointed ...

Voss wrote:

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
I wish. They cost 30€ each on the EU store.

Plus another tenner for shipping. And with the webstore effectively closed, getting over the free shipping threshold requires buying.. another one? Or the marine? That's it I think.

Had no intention of resisting purchasing one more Sister almost regardless of the price, but there are limits.

Actual text on the homepage was just the more reason not to cave in: "Know no FOMO! Order yours before it's too late."
Ugh.
Artificially limited availability with an artificially inflated pricepoint, they know it, we know it... no need to rub it in.

Don't forget that global crisis. 'Spend money you should be saving for food and emergencies on the promise of future toys!'
This really takes scummy behavior to a new level. The gift vouchers were bad enough, but this is outright predatory.

Yeah, predators always give you a choice to avoid situations, like the essential life-saving purchasing of shaped plastic....


All these reveals are amazing, great stuff. I particularly like the Inquisitor, shes pretty epic. Hopefully we will see more Inquisition based stuff in the near future

Voss wrote:

This really takes scummy behavior to a new level. The gift vouchers were bad enough, but this is outright predatory.

Lol. Gift vouchers scummy/bad? Shows you have no idea what scummy means. It's not like you even have to buy.

But i guess i'm not surprised since so many complain about getting discount options(and only legal discount for fw at that). Lol. Guess you would prefer them to hike prices up. Discount bad so logically thus you think price hike is good.

Do we think the end of Blackstone Fortress means they might repurpose some models into either a proper traitor legion or inquisitor/ rogue trader warband for 40k. The big finale reveal at the end sounds like a lead in story. Either to a new skirmish game or 40k codex.

gungo wrote:
Do we think the end of Blackstone Fortress means they might repurpose some models into either a proper traitor legion or inquisitor/ rogue trader warband for 40k.

Let's hope so!

gungo wrote:
Do we think the end of Blackstone Fortress means they might repurpose some models into either a proper traitor legion or inquisitor/ rogue trader warband for 40k. The big finale reveal at the end sounds like a lead in story. Either to a new skirmish game or 40k codex.

Considering literally there is a whole traitor guard line in there, (with some obvious filler needed, cough heavy weapons cough) i guess could very well happen.

Szera look genuinely alien and is such a mastercraft. If the necrons could have more design like those it would be my favorite range. Right now he is probably my favorite model.
Even more than Sault removed - please do not circumvent the language filter Tarvitz who is finally here !
Another great preview by GW

tneva82 wrote:

Voss wrote:

This really takes scummy behavior to a new level. The gift vouchers were bad enough, but this is outright predatory.

Lol. Gift vouchers scummy/bad? Shows you have no idea what scummy means. It's not like you even have to buy..

Its a psychological tactic that takes advantage of people with impulse control problems (which includes many people here). Yes, it is scummy to encourage people to spend money on literally nothing for an unknown period of time when they have little to no income for an indefinite period. Needs first, luxuries second.

Openly declaring 'Fear of Missing Out' and 'limited time only' means they're doubling down on trying to take advantage of people in a time of uncertainty.

Not Online!!! wrote:

gungo wrote:
Do we think the end of Blackstone Fortress means they might repurpose some models into either a proper traitor legion or inquisitor/ rogue trader warband for 40k. The big finale reveal at the end sounds like a lead in story. Either to a new skirmish game or 40k codex.

Considering literally there is a whole traitor guard line in there, (with some obvious filler needed, cough heavy weapons cough) i guess could very well happen.

Yes, please gw, give us some new good rules for R&H. It'll give me an excuse to buy that baneblade kit I've been eyeing. It would look great next to those awesome new traitor guardsmen.

Voss wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Voss wrote:

This really takes scummy behavior to a new level. The gift vouchers were bad enough, but this is outright predatory.

Lol. Gift vouchers scummy/bad? Shows you have no idea what scummy means. It's not like you even have to buy..

Its a psychological tactic that takes advantage of people with impulse control problems (which includes many people here). Yes, it is scummy to encourage people to spend money on literally nothing for an unknown period of time when they have little to no income for an indefinite period. Needs first, luxuries second.

Openly declaring 'Fear of Missing Out' and 'limited time only' means they're doubling down on trying to take advantage of people in a time of uncertainty.

It's not GW issue if people buy its products. Control yourself, it's up to every human being to be self responsible and no company can take responsibility for this.
I hate this age of victimization and irresponsibility.

Voss wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Voss wrote:

This really takes scummy behavior to a new level. The gift vouchers were bad enough, but this is outright predatory.

Lol. Gift vouchers scummy/bad? Shows you have no idea what scummy means. It's not like you even have to buy..

Its a psychological tactic that takes advantage of people with impulse control problems (which includes many people here). Yes, it is scummy to encourage people to spend money on literally nothing for an unknown period of time when they have little to no income for an indefinite period. Needs first, luxuries second.

Openly declaring 'Fear of Missing Out' and 'limited time only' means they're doubling down on trying to take advantage of people in a time of uncertainty.

Then use self control.
If you can not control that then plastic models may be the least of your worries.

Also, keep in mind that not everyone has instantly become broke.

Any form of sale is designed to incentivise buying.
All companies do this, it really is nothing new.
My local shop has added deals to all items, they are not scummy, they are doing what shops do.


Also, you don’t need a crisis to try and push your point.
Many are financially unstable and have impulse issues from day to day.
So all your doing here is forging a narrative using a current crisis to bash a company for doing what it does normally.

Sweet! I want to put a snotting and a giant side by side for size comparison NOW!

Lovely models... the Necron is wow!

Voss wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Voss wrote:

This really takes scummy behavior to a new level. The gift vouchers were bad enough, but this is outright predatory.

Lol. Gift vouchers scummy/bad? Shows you have no idea what scummy means. It's not like you even have to buy..

Its a psychological tactic that takes advantage of people with impulse control problems (which includes many people here). Yes, it is scummy to encourage people to spend money on literally nothing for an unknown period of time when they have little to no income for an indefinite period. Needs first, luxuries second.

Openly declaring 'Fear of Missing Out' and 'limited time only' means they're doubling down on trying to take advantage of people in a time of uncertainty.

Lol. Just sticking to miniature gaming, entire companies like Cool Mini have been build on the "get dat limited thing now!!!!".

And heading over to BoLS or Facebook or so, I wouldn't be able to read 2 paragraphs without at least 5 pop-ups trying to get me on some limited-time, super-exclusive deal for my mobile phone internet or whatever, or even some dumb "exclusive" skins for whatever computer game is hot now, or whatever.

Yes, it's a known marketing trick, but hardly unique to GW. And if you're in some serious financial problems and possibly out of a job to the point that 60 bucks will break you, you probably shouldn't be browsing GW social media (or any other toy companies offerings, Kickstarter, whatever), whether they offer limited stuff or not. A given.

Decent preview all round. The Necron model looks exceptional.

Voss wrote:
Openly declaring 'Fear of Missing Out' and 'limited time only' means they're doubling down on trying to take advantage of people in a time of uncertainty.

You're not wrong. I have no problem with them selling vouchers for models with an unknown release date, I have no problem with them doing limited editions, but it's pretty lousy of them to do both together at this specific time. Yes, ultimately consumers vote with their wallets, but it's still OK to recognize a scuzzy business practice when we see it.

That's before we get started on $10 shipping for a single $35 mini. The $35 for a single mini is already pretty outlandish, but the 30% shipping fee for a 1 inch model is downright insulting.

The new Sister looks amazing. Szeras looks wild, but I hate the human on the base and would like to see what it looked like if you removed the human and weird magic effects, which I do not like, from it. This is not specific to Szeras, I don't like any kind of diorama type effect like that. Look at me, I'm Szeras, fighting Tyranids on the tabletop, but I also drag this human around with me everywhere I go!

The terminator chaplain looks quite mediocre and is, imo, one of the worst sculpts they have turned out in a long time. His proportions seem totally off (his entire armored waist appears to be the nearly same diameter as his unarmored head). His arms also seem a little too big - it's like the top half and bottom half aren't the same scale.

GW needs cashflow. Why is this difficult to understand or seen as predatory or scummy behaviour?

People really need to get perspective and stop trying to pass their lack of self control off as unethical business practices.

Just like it's not Cadbury's fault if you're fat, it's not a plastic miniatures company's fault if you don't have money to spare.

Take personal responsibility and exhibit self control.

In the meantime, I'll preorder a mini that I want and not feel like I'm being exploited by evil corporations, but rather a company with staff and overheads that it needs to pay, and that currently has little income, who's product I'm willing to pay for in advance.

Jackal90 wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
I wish. They cost 30€ each on the EU store.

Plus another tenner for shipping. And with the webstore effectively closed, getting over the free shipping threshold requires buying.. another one? Or the marine? That's it I think.

Had no intention of resisting purchasing one more Sister almost regardless of the price, but there are limits.

Actual text on the homepage was just the more reason not to cave in: "Know no FOMO! Order yours before it's too late."
Ugh.
Artificially limited availability with an artificially inflated pricepoint, they know it, we know it... no need to rub it in.

Don't forget that global crisis. 'Spend money you should be saving for food and emergencies on the promise of future toys!'
This really takes scummy behavior to a new level. The gift vouchers were bad enough, but this is outright predatory.

Also, check back at previous limited run models, they range between £20-£25.
So these are actually in the middle.

So no, they haven’t hiked up the price to rip people off (they are still not cheap to be fair)
It’s more that people choose to “forget” details that counter their cries.

Is there somewhere to check the previous limited models and their prices? I might just have forgotten some but the ones I can remember from recently were £20 - Grombrindal at Christmas and the Primaris Lieutenant from just earlier this month. What was the last one that was above that price?

 godardc wrote:

Voss wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Voss wrote:

This really takes scummy behavior to a new level. The gift vouchers were bad enough, but this is outright predatory.

Lol. Gift vouchers scummy/bad? Shows you have no idea what scummy means. It's not like you even have to buy..

Its a psychological tactic that takes advantage of people with impulse control problems (which includes many people here). Yes, it is scummy to encourage people to spend money on literally nothing for an unknown period of time when they have little to no income for an indefinite period. Needs first, luxuries second.

Openly declaring 'Fear of Missing Out' and 'limited time only' means they're doubling down on trying to take advantage of people in a time of uncertainty.

It's not GW issue if people buy its products. Control yourself, it's up to every human being to be self responsible and no company can take responsibility for this.
I hate this age of victimization and irresponsibility.

To be fair, we are also in the Information Age , when businesses regularly use psychology against their customers. GW clearly knows they are doing this, as they are telling us this. It’s still douchy even if it’s not quite predatory. Even for the more obsessive people who don’t give in, it’s got to leave a bitter taste seeing the company one feels like they supported loyally rubbing in their faces what they are missing out on.

I’ll put it like this: I have never been addicted to gambling or even enjoyed it. I have a friend who often gets carried away, but push comes to shove he can walk away. I have another friend who became addicted to gambling and lost her house and almost her marriage. For me personally, I’d be upset if I saw a casino trying to wrangle customers with FOMO and other manipulative marketing practices because I know how it would bother one friend and ruin another. I personally find the SOB minis more of a temptation than gambling ever was. While I’m not exactly wrestling for self-control, I can understand that people who might be exist, and have a lot of sympathy for them.

Holy crap, $35 + $10 for a single 28mm plastic model...

How are people defending this like poor GW needs cashflow when FLGS needed the cash flow yesterday and can't even get in on this?

Have fun supporting that price gouge because your not gonna have a place to play with it outside your basement...

 Red Corsair wrote:
Holy crap, $35 + $10 for a single 28mm plastic model...

How are people defending this like poor GW needs cashflow when FLGS needed the cash flow yesterday and can't even get in on this?

Have fun supporting that price gouge because your not gonna have a place to play with it outside your basement...

Most of the european scene is Club based as far as i know.

But yeah that price is perfectly nuts and in line with the new banshees, mekgunz and eliminators, aka complete nonsense

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
For me personally, I’d be upset if I saw a casino trying to wrangle customers with FOMO and other manipulative marketing practices

Every single casino does do this by offering free credits with their member cards and limited time sweepstakes. You literally described the tactics they use to get new gamblers on their floors.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Holy crap, $35 + $10 for a single 28mm plastic model...

How are people defending this like poor GW needs cashflow when FLGS needed the cash flow yesterday and can't even get in on this?

Have fun supporting that price gouge because your not gonna have a place to play with it outside your basement...

Most of the european scene is Club based as far as i know.

But yeah that price is perfectly nuts and in line with the new banshees, mekgunz and eliminators, aka complete nonsense

In the States and Canada it's mostly FLGS. They are hurting immensely now and like other businesses are doing roadside order pickups where they are able, but it's like a band-aid on a hemorrhage. So much for in this together because folks are going to want to spend over the threshold due to that shipping gouge, which means they miss out on a lot here.

 Red Corsair wrote:
Holy crap, $35 + $10 for a single 28mm plastic model...

How are people defending this like poor GW needs cashflow when FLGS needed the cash flow yesterday and can't even get in on this?

Have fun supporting that price gouge because your not gonna have a place to play with it outside your basement...

Got two of the sister. Nothing else of note to spend on right now so, moan harder i guess?

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Holy crap, $35 + $10 for a single 28mm plastic model...

How are people defending this like poor GW needs cashflow when FLGS needed the cash flow yesterday and can't even get in on this?

Have fun supporting that price gouge because your not gonna have a place to play with it outside your basement...

Got two of the sister. Nothing else of note to spend on right now so, moan harder i guess?

Unnecesary atack and he has a point.