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tneva82 wrote:

Voss wrote:
Openly declaring 'Fear of Missing Out' and 'limited time only' means they're doubling down on trying to take advantage of people in a time of uncertainty.

Hello, earth calling Voss, earth calling Voss. That is standard phrases GW uses EVERY TIME THEY HAVE MTO!

Oh you expect them to do once in a time sale never to be repeated and you think they won't point it out? They use that even when new stuff comes actually back(like with space hulk) nevermind MTO which is once done and then no more.

It's standard MTO phrase. You have problem with that why raise it up now rather than first time MTO came out?

Bah. You just have zero clue what scummy and predatory practice is.

Well, no, while phrasings along the lines of "Get it while you can!", "Available for a limited time only!" etcetera are quite normal and factually correct (even if the limitations in time or available stock are sometimes purely artificial), I don't think I have ever seen a company advertise a product with limited availability actually using the term "Fear of Missing Out", i.e. the acronym FOMO, like GW have here. While I found something about it somewhat distasteful at first, upon reflection it just seems an odd move, as it rather points out the imagined necessity of acquiring the products on offer and almost makes people reflect on perhaps reconsidering the reasons for purchasing.

Overall, I like that they made the "event" models available online, but feel this one is vastly overpriced*, so much so that I would struggle to justify it under normal circumstances, and even more so given the complete lack of other things available for purchase to get to free shipping. I am normally happy to pay shipping costs as it's obvioulsy not a free service, but would precisely for that reason normally buy in bulk so that shipping costs don't add another 33% on top of the already exorbitant pricepoint. The present options are to purchase a second stupidly overpriced model, or pay the shipping costs that increase the models cost by 33%. My nearest GW store is 539km away, and Virtual Gift vouchers or GW digital products are not eligible for free shipping (unsurprisingly).

*Although discussions concerning GW's prices may not be new, the level of overpricedness and people it concerns are constantly in motion. I've been playing GW games long enough to be accustomed to them (or so I thought), and I've played non-GW games long enough to know they can't really be justified, beyond the minimalist economical doctrine that they are that way because enough people are happy to pay them. I like the new Sisters of Battle. A lot. I bought Amalia Novena, for 25€. I bought the new plastic Canoness for just over 20€ (small discount plus advantageous exchange rate). This model is 20-40% more expensive than those; 60-80% more if including the inescapeable shipping costs. Plastic characters released a few years ago are still available for 12€ (they were marginally cheaper on release), now 25€-30€ is becoming the new norm. People have limits, and this limited edition Sister crosses mine.

IanVanCheese wrote:

 Grimgold wrote:

 Oguhmek wrote:
Lovely miniatures, all of them. Amazing stuff.

Love the Szeras model, looks really alien and weird.

The rules though, a 9" 1/6 perils bubble? Really? That's never going to do anything. Ugh, what's up with all the gak Xenos rules lately? Used up all the good stuff for Marines?

I don't know if I would dismiss it out of hand, we don't have any context. 9" is short range but there isn't a limit of how often it goes off, so the right person in the wrong place can do some work with it. Also they hint about combos

a taste of what the Necrons have in store for those who would tap into the warp, perhaps

I think it's safe to say it's bad. Like how many psychic powers do you need to be that close to get off? And if you have psykers with 9" of your characters as a necron player, things have already gone badly wrong. Hopefully the rest of his rules are decent and he's cheap. The model is stunning, but that rule has already filled me with dread for the Necron stuff in PA.

Still to early to tell, for instance what if that's one of the abilities he can grant to units of Immortals or warriors (which is not ruled out by the phrasing), as part of a replacement for his current enhancements. We simply don't know what we don't know, so there no use getting worked up over it.

He'll obviously have other abilities as well. How many special characters only have one?

It also ignores the possibility that Szeras wants to get in closer.

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Voss wrote:
Openly declaring 'Fear of Missing Out' and 'limited time only' means they're doubling down on trying to take advantage of people in a time of uncertainty.

Hello, earth calling Voss, earth calling Voss. That is standard phrases GW uses EVERY TIME THEY HAVE MTO!

Oh you expect them to do once in a time sale never to be repeated and you think they won't point it out? They use that even when new stuff comes actually back(like with space hulk) nevermind MTO which is once done and then no more.

It's standard MTO phrase. You have problem with that why raise it up now rather than first time MTO came out?

Bah. You just have zero clue what scummy and predatory practice is.

Well, no, while phrasings along the lines of "Get it while you can!", "Available for a limited time only!" etcetera are quite normal and factually correct (even if the limitations in time or available stock are sometimes purely artificial), I don't think I have ever seen a company advertise a product with limited availability actually using the term "Fear of Missing Out", i.e. the acronym FOMO, like GW have here. While I found something about it somewhat distasteful at first, upon reflection it just seems an odd move, as it rather points out the imagined necessity of acquiring the products on offer and almost makes people reflect on perhaps reconsidering the reasons for purchasing.

It's a pun, that's why they used it. Very few other companies have a prominent phrase associated with them that includes the word 'fear' in it.
It's a space marine, and not only available at Events so more widely available.

 Kanluwen wrote:
It also ignores the possibility that Szeras wants to get in closer.

True, we haven't seen his stats. He could be a melee monster. What were his old stats?

The most interesting part of Szeras was always his ability to "boost" a unit of warriors or immortals each turn. They'll certainly have fun with that in the newer variant too.

 Tastyfish wrote:

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Voss wrote:
Openly declaring 'Fear of Missing Out' and 'limited time only' means they're doubling down on trying to take advantage of people in a time of uncertainty.

Hello, earth calling Voss, earth calling Voss. That is standard phrases GW uses EVERY TIME THEY HAVE MTO!

Oh you expect them to do once in a time sale never to be repeated and you think they won't point it out? They use that even when new stuff comes actually back(like with space hulk) nevermind MTO which is once done and then no more.

It's standard MTO phrase. You have problem with that why raise it up now rather than first time MTO came out?

Bah. You just have zero clue what scummy and predatory practice is.

Well, no, while phrasings along the lines of "Get it while you can!", "Available for a limited time only!" etcetera are quite normal and factually correct (even if the limitations in time or available stock are sometimes purely artificial), I don't think I have ever seen a company advertise a product with limited availability actually using the term "Fear of Missing Out", i.e. the acronym FOMO, like GW have here. While I found something about it somewhat distasteful at first, upon reflection it just seems an odd move, as it rather points out the imagined necessity of acquiring the products on offer and almost makes people reflect on perhaps reconsidering the reasons for purchasing.

It's a pun, that's why they used it. Very few other companies have a prominent phrase associated with them that includes the word 'fear' in it.
It's a space marine, and not only available at Events so more widely available.

Exactly this. It’s just a play on ‘Know No Fear’.

Overread wrote:I'd also say that the "GW is too pricey/has missmatched regional pricing" is honestly an argument that's been heard for so long that its just "noise" right now. For those who don't justify GW prices its just repeating what they've said before; for those who do justify the prices its just noise. The sad thing is its noise that can suddenly upturn a thread from "Oh lets chat about these cool new models" into pages of price arguments back and forth until a mod closes/pushes things along. It's a pattern that repeats over and over.

Also some people just want to come and share in the enjoyment of their hobby with others - when other keep arguing that the company/game is evil and nasty etc... then that's also impacting on people by association.

There's really only like what, 3 things you can talk about when new models are released?* How cool the sculpt is, how good it is on the tabletop, and how the value is (either in terms of ability or price). In this case, you have a Librarian in Terminator Armor and a Sister of Battle. There is no real discussion to he had about rules or value for abilities because they are standard models. That leaves us how cool they are and value for price. I dunno why some of you guys are so adamant that discussion must be shut down on this latest abrupt hard crank in frog-boiling.

insaniak wrote:I mean, I've been guilty of complaining about prices from time to time in the past myself... but there comes a point where you just have to accept that GW's prices are high, have always been high, and will always be high, and it generally stops actually being particularly noteworthy.

This comes across as "screw you, I got mine". Doesn't anyone else get to complain about pricing ever again just because some of you have gotten tired of hearing about it?

Lorek wrote:But it's not really sparking discussion, is it? The same tired refrain, repeated over the past two decades, lends nothing to new conversation.

It's not new, it's not clever, it's definitely not a hot take, and generally creates a conversational quagmire.

Besides, we can't all be poor. Some of us can purchase what we feel like.

I mean, this last part was probably joking, but I feel like if I said this to someone, I might catch a rule 1 warning. Beyond that, the number of posts about the costs clearly have sparked a discussion, just not one you are interested in.

I get that people bitching about high prices gets tedious because you have heard it before, but I believe the refrain you usually use is "if you aren't interested in it, just scroll past it", no? I don't play anymore so I don't really have any interest in rules, but I sure don't try to keep people from talking about them either.


*I guess there is always "Why is X army getting updates when Y army has been neglected for Z long".

Think I might crack open some Necrons from my pile of shame and have a go at copying the Szeras colour scheme. Might even get a squad or two done by the time he's out.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Think I might crack open some Necrons from my pile of shame and have a go at copying the Szeras colour scheme. Might even get a squad or two done by the time he's out.

I think I'm probably likely to get a Szeras regardless of the parts I don't like because the model really is that good. The only concern I have is over his left arm one of his left arms, the one holding the viscera he is hoovering up - it looks from the pictures like it's pretty easy to remove the human, the gore cloud, and the stuff on the tip of his right hand one of his right hands, but I can't really see what the hand where it's all being fopcused to looks like.

Great color scheme too, as you say.

Want to recast the swirly stuff in clear resin and cover it in holographic paint.

Darsath wrote:
The most interesting part of Szeras was always his ability to "boost" a unit of warriors or immortals each turn. They'll certainly have fun with that in the newer variant too.

It was so interesting that you never saw szeras in a necron list.

 p5freak wrote:

Darsath wrote:
The most interesting part of Szeras was always his ability to "boost" a unit of warriors or immortals each turn. They'll certainly have fun with that in the newer variant too.

It was so interesting that you never saw szeras in a necron list.

Haha, true. Never said it was good though, just interesting as far as development goes.

 Ouze wrote:

insaniak wrote:I mean, I've been guilty of complaining about prices from time to time in the past myself... but there comes a point where you just have to accept that GW's prices are high, have always been high, and will always be high, and it generally stops actually being particularly noteworthy.

This comes across as "screw you, I got mine". Doesn't anyone else get to complain about pricing ever again just because some of you have gotten tired of hearing about it?

Sure, let's take the most confrontational interpretation of a comment in order to stir up an argument! That'll end well... My point was simply that people who have been in the hobby as long as I have really shouldn't still be surprised when a new GW model is expensive, and it seems a little ridiculous to keep complaining about it as if it's something new.

Love the sisters model. Snotlings sure. Pricing? Yeah... no. But cool pictures!

 jeff white wrote:
Love the sisters model. Snotlings sure. Pricing? Yeah... no. But cool pictures!

I’m assuming you mean pricing of the sister?
The snotlings are a plastic team, so should be exactly the same as every other team at £22.50.

Those giants are phenomenal. Not something I have any use for at all... but fantastic models.

Not a fan of the inclusion of Citadel Swirly Gak™ on Szeras, but aside from that (which would be easy to leave off) that's a very cool model.

Also nice to see a more Xenos-oriented Inquisitor. Awesome change from the usual Maleus focus.


And the painting on that Lumineth model... Crikey.

 insaniak wrote:
Those giants are phenomenal. Not something I have any use for at all... but fantastic models.

Not a fan of the inclusion of Citadel Swirly Gak™ on Szeras, but aside from that (which would be easy to leave off) that's a very cool model.

Also nice to see a more Xenos-oriented Inquisitor. Awesome change from the usual Maleus focus.


And the painting on that Lumineth model... Crikey.

Just the paint job and a few tiny angles and the Inquisitor has a real Dark Eldar vibe to the armor. As an oddball model, I like it better than the various Rogue Traders we have models for.

If Blackstone Fortress is going away, and Warcry is doing well, it would be cool to see a hybrid, with "gangs" of an Inquisitor and retinue competing to achieve their goals. ace them up against bands of cultists and xenos sympathizers.


We also have a plastic Hereticus Inquisitor in Greyfax, and Xenos with Danerys. Next up a Malleus inquisitor? In TDA?

More likely, we're going to see a new Age of Sigmar version of Warhammer Quest with the same treatments as Blackstone Fortress.

We . . . already have that, Kan. It's called "Warhammer Quest". They've actually released two versions: Silver Tower and Shadows over Hammerhal.

 EnTyme wrote:
We . . . already have that, Kan. It's called "Warhammer Quest". They've actually released two versions: Silver Tower and Shadows over Hammerhal.

One of which is OOP and the other of which has no story connection to the first campaign like the various BSF expansions, which is the actual part that Kan was referring to.

 EnTyme wrote:
We . . . already have that, Kan. It's called "Warhammer Quest". They've actually released two versions: Silver Tower and Shadows over Hammerhal.

Over the past year they have mentioned (but not elaborated or.given any detail on) new.developments in fantasy warhammerquest on the age of sigmar podcaster.

Saw this size comparison of the giants on reddit. Didn't realise how big Nagash was!

 Platuan4th wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
We . . . already have that, Kan. It's called "Warhammer Quest". They've actually released two versions: Silver Tower and Shadows over Hammerhal.

One of which is OOP and the other of which has no story connection to the first campaign like the various BSF expansions, which is the actual part that Kan was referring to.

"We need an Age of Sigmar adaptation of that 40k spinoff boardgame based on an Age of Sigmar spinoff boardgame" just seems like odd phrasing when I'm sure he just meant we should get a reprint of Shadows over Hammerhal and/or expansions. Also, there was a three-issue run in WD a couple years back that tied the story of Silver Tower into Shadows over Hammerhal.

 insaniak wrote:
Sure, let's take the most confrontational interpretation of a comment in order to stir up an argument! That'll end well... My point was simply that people who have been in the hobby as long as I have really shouldn't still be surprised when a new GW model is expensive, and it seems a little ridiculous to keep complaining about it as if it's something new.

I wasn't trying to stir up an argument, I'm trying to get you to see my point of view - that yes, GWS has always been expensive but that doesn't mean no one should ever be able to complain about prices ever again, even when they take sudden unprecedented jumps (like 30% shipping).

But I will move on since I do not appear to have been successful.

AoS Knights, how surprising...

 Kirasu wrote:
AoS Knights, how surprising...

I predict it will be approximately three minutes after their release that we see one converted into a 40K Chaos Knight.

"She is every bit the archetype of a Battle Sister, perfect for use in your army, perhaps as a Superior or a Celestian. She’s also festooned with holy detailing, making her an ideal painting project. "

Gw released a model without rules... Can it be... Are we finaly getting the "no model no rules" Bs mantra...

That inquisitor looks gob smackingly awesome. Might tip me into getting a small inquisition/IOM force on the go. I really dont like ugly ass bold head so I think an enforcer helmet would look awesome on her.

The giants.. Yeah I dig em. Im surprised and pleasantly disspointed they are not levitating ona rock and have Magical rock weapons. They would look great on a square base in a legasy WHFB battle IMO.

The pariah oooks really cool.

Quite pleasantly surprised by everything. Well done GW, some awesome looking minatures.

 EnTyme wrote:
We . . . already have that, Kan. It's called "Warhammer Quest". They've actually released two versions: Silver Tower and Shadows over Hammerhal.

Nah. AoS needs to get a dungeon crawling game with weirdly overpriced expansions.